Episode 6 - LA Protests

Matt gives his thoughts on a variety of political topics including transgenders in sports, the LA Protests, freedom of speech and COVID.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to episode six of The Matt Jones Show. We
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should use it to gummies. They now have these seltzers.
Thanks to Cornbread Hemp, they are the good Life. It
is episode six, and you know we've done We've done
four episodes where I've interviewed people. We're gonna do more.
We did one episode where we kind of did Drew
and I with a top ten list of news with Billy,
and we're gonna do that. That seemed to be a
big hit, so we will do that again. But I

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was trying to think with this show. Part of the
reason I wanted to do it is on Can Tell
You Sports Radio, which I do, we will often go
in depth on topics, but I've kind of had a
rule that I wasn't gonna go in depth on politics
because I don't want KSR to become like a show
that divides people. I want to give a show that

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everybody can unify it politics. Unfortunately, some people are just
they're so rigid on it and they don't want to
hear the other opinion. But here's the thing. I do
have opinions, and I actually think they are much more
reasonable than some of the more critical people to me are,
and I don't get a chance to really express them

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in long form because we just don't do that on cares.
So I thought it would be good with there's a
lot of news going on to sort of use this
today as an opportunity to talk about a couple of
these things that are happening sort of where my opinion is.
I think most of the time on talk radio, especially
on this station in Louisville, WHS, but even on podcasts,

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right wing opinions tend to sort of far outweigh left.
In mainstream media it's probably the opposite, but in radio
and podcast it's probably right wing. So I tend to
come at it from a different perspective. So I was thinking,
how do I share that without just being the guy
who's lecturing people on the radio, because I hate that.

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The best at that was Rush Limbaugh many years ago,
but he's dead, rest in peace. And also, who just
wants to sit to somebody and just listen to them
lecture them. So I have with me Billy. He's Billy Rutledge.
You all know him as Billy are sports and I
thought Billy would be a good person to kind of
have in as I'm doing this, because Billy, I would say,

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as someone educated follows the news like a normal person,
but is not like ingrained in it, is not an
expert on the subjects. Would you, Billy agree with that
as a description of you? Uh?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, And that's maybe the nicest description of me you've given,
So thank you, Matt.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
It's not true. I'm nice to you, but I think
you're an educated person, but you don't sit and read
or watch political news, would you?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
You know I'm not in the weeds on it, but
you know I regularly listen to eight forty wha s So.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Maybe that's but but you understand that's like opinion, and
it's tends to lean pretty right wing opinion.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, and in news stories, you know, Paul Miles and
all the guys in the newsroom.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Again, those are local things nationally, that's not as much nationally. Yeah,
not so what would you say? How would you describe yourself?
Do you think you are a right winger? Are you
a conservative?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
No, I would not describe myself as a conservative. I
would say I, uh, lean more to the right every day,
but initially.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Lean more to the right every day I think.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
So, I guess as I get older, I feel like
I'm becoming more conservative.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Well why do you think that is? Like, give me
an example of something you're you've become more conservative on. Uh, well,
you know, like humanitarian issues. I don't know. You're not
a humanitarian. I'm not for save in the world.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I guess I don't think don't need to be the
protectors of other countries.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
And also, give me an example of what so like you?
But is that? What are those the issues you care
the most about?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
No, I'm just saying like in general, like, here are
some of the things that I feel like i've as
the days go on, I feel I find myself more
and more to the right, Like you know, trans and sports.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Okay, so let me let me stop you with that
right there. Yes, the trans in sports thing, I think
a lot of people have an issue with that. Obviously,
Riley gains in the news a lot. It's interesting to me, though,
of all the issues that I brought up, why does
that one the first one that comes up. Well, you're
talking to Billy are sports here, Matt? So sports is

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something that really something you have, you really care about.
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
It's not like I am going to live or die
if a man competes in a swimming competition.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
But men. Do you think biological men compete in women's athletes?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Not many at all? Like, just give me like a
number or a percentage.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Like how many Let's put it like this, high school
sports in Kentucky. How many biological men you think have
com people born a boy have competed in women's sports
in Kentucky?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean double digits maybe, And even on the word I.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Told you, what if I told you it was just
one person.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
One person in the entire state, I'd be surprised by
that number.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, well, that's that's the correct number. I don't think
a lot of people realize that because we talk about
it a lot. And by the way, I'm for the
most part agree with you. I'm ninety five percent with you.
I think it's an unfair advantage for people who were
born a male to compete in women's sports. A lot

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of Democrats won't say that sentence. I just said, a
lot of them will, but a lot of them won't.
And I agree with that. But I think it's fascinating
to me this is an issue because how often does
it happen.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Only, according to you, one time in this entire state.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
With they only have happening. One happened one time. I
don't understand why people care so much. It's happened one time.
And do you know in the context of when it
happened is what college? Yes? In high school? No, I
do not know the context. It was once it was
an eighth grader who started a sports team. And then

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and then once they started playing, uh, they said that
they couldn't play anymore. The team didn't even exist until
the young person's no medals won or anything like that.
Riley Games perfect example. Do you know what place Riley
Gaines came in? It was like sixth. Riley Gaines came
in fifth. A lot of people don't realize that. A
lot of people don't realize Riley Gaines did not come

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in second and lose to what was the person named Leah.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Thomas, Lea Thomas. I think Thomas.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
You know, Leah Thomas and Riley Gains tied for fifth.
Did you know that?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
I mean I've heard say that she finished fifth.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah. Yeah, she tied for fifth with Leah Thomas. And
the whole controversy stems from they only had one fifth
place trophy.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
She didn't get that.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
I don't think a lot of people know this. They
had the three medals, and then for the NCAA gives
fourth place a trophy and fifth place a trophy, and
they only had one trophy, and they gave Leah Thomas
the trophy instead of Riley Gaines. Now, looking back, they
should have given the trophy fifth place. See how the
world would be different if they had just given Riley

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Gains the trophy. Yeah, you know what I mean. But
I didn't note it was a fifth place trophy, which
means billy four women beat Leah Thomas. I don't think
a lot of people know that. Does Riley Gaines have
a point that maybe Leah Thomas shouldn't have been in it. Sure,
I'll give her the point, But do you think we

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all should have been this worked up about a fifth
place trophy? No?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
No, it's and you know, it's been such a talking
point that I think, do.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
You think of why do you think it's a talking point?

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well, I think that there is an importance to you know,
keeping young women safe and having men in women's locker
rooms is a real issue. But at the same time,
it's also to be able to control people's perceptions and
opinions in some ways.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I'm sure. Yeah, I would say to you people right
a talking point because it gets people riled Upyeah, that's
why it's a talking I mean, I I think I
think I saw a poll that eighty percent of Americans
generally believe that biological males should not be women's sports. Now,
I think Democrats are stupid that we make this a

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big issue because we're on the losing side of the issue.
But I also think that the reason Riley Gains is
popular and the reason it's talked about so much is
because people want to make you mad. And you know what,
it works, because Billy I asked you what you lean
right on it. It was the very first thing you say.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's also in my mind because Simone Biles and Riley
Gain had a very public Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
So let's use that for an example. First of all,
I thought Simone Biles shouldn't have made the comments that
I think she said something about Riley Gaines being big
or something like that. She shouldn't have said that. Also,
though Riley Gaines I think mocked Simone Biles for what
quitting in the Olympics or something like that. Yeah, what
I don't understand. I think both of the I think

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that their interaction is a perfect example of why I
hate these political issues. They may both be really good people.
I don't know if they are. I don't know either
one of them, but they were both really nasty to
each other. Why over something a fifth place trophy?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, there's a bigger issue at hand.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
But is it a big issue? Well?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
I mean to think about the mindset of the country though,
because it feels like a lot of left leaning people
have a mindset that they would want trans athletes in sports,
and there is a warped view of really.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
How many people do it? Not a lot? A lot.
I don't know why it's a big There's a lot
of people that have warped opinions on things that I
don't think are important. Let me tell you what I
think is a board much more so than that, you've
been following what's happened in Los Angeles. Huh. Okay, So
let's take immigration for a minute. What is your position

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on if I were to, well, let me give you
my position on immigration. See if you think any of
this is irretional. Okay, So we have, depending on who
you ask, anywhere from thirty to forty million illegal immigrants
in America. Nobody really knows for sure, but that's just

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a guess. Okay. My guess is that numbers more towards
the thirty but we don't really know, to be honest
with you, And it is with certainly the case that,
especially since COVID, the border was way too open, we
didn't do a really good job of policing our border.
You know, let me give Trump credit for something.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Hold on, let's take a moment here.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I'm gonna give him credit for policing the border. I
think the border is safer now than it was. The
border was actually pretty much policed the same during the
Trump Obama years Biden years, it fell off, So let
me give him credit for that. But so to me,

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the question of should we control our borders is a yes.
Do you agree with that? Yes? Yes, do you believe
in the idea of immigration in general that we should
have immigrants into America legally? Yes? Yes, absolutely, Okay, so
we're now we found so far you and I agree
on everything. I think ninety eight percent of the people

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listening agreed with both of those stature. The question then becomes,
what do we do with the thirty million people that
are here? Now? What would you? Well, I'm not before
I say what you would. Here's a fact. I don't
think people get to hear a lot. We need a
lot of these people, the immigrants, even the illegal ones,

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we need them. Why do we need them? If we
didn't have illegal immigrants, our food would cost twice as
much as it costs Now we're in Kentucky, the horse
industry down here. How much what percentage of the horse
industry you think are illegal? I don't know about ninety,

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but it's a lot. It's a lot. I don't know
if it's ninety, but it's a lot. What about the
tobacco farms that are left, I'm not sure about that
one a lot. What about farmers in the Midwest? How
many of them you think employ illegal immigrants? Probably a few,
a lot. How much construction in America you think is

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done by illegal immigrants? Most ever been to like a
home depot at like five am.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
They all lineup there are waiting for people.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
To come out to people standing at most local home
depots early in the morning, waiting for someone who's doing
work to come and pick them up and take them.
My point is, let's say theoretically we kicked all thirty
million of those people out right? Would that? What do
you know? What would happen? Society? Would our economy words crash? Yeah,

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we don't feel it. It would crash. No, who's going
to do those jobs? Do you want to work? Do
you want to work at a horse in the horse farms? No?
Do you want to work at a chicken factory? No?
Do you want to work picking grapes in California? No? No?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Ac is where I'd like to be.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Here. Here's a little Do you know what our unemployment
rate is right now? No? I don't want very low.
I don't know what it is, but it's like three
or four percent, it's like, and it was low during
the binding. It's been low for a long time. So
let's say we kicked all thirty men of those people out,
Who's gonna do those jobs. We'd find some people.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
We'd have to eliminate some of the cushy jobs like
KSR pre show hosts, because we need real jobs.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Seriously, who would do them? No, but that you're not
gonna leave to go do that? Are you? What's the
what would it take to get you to leave the
KSR pre show to go work at a horse.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
For hundreds of thousands of dollars?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
So they'd have to pay you more, right, a lot more?
And then what would happen to the cost of things? Oh? Everything,
everything would go Everything would go up. So part of
the reason food food is more expensive now, But part
of the reason we're able to afford it is we
have illegal immigrants working at these places, and if we
were to get rid of all of them, we either
would not be able to fill the jobs, or we'd

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have to pay enough that the billies of the world
go and do it, so the economy would crash. So
you would would you then agree with that information that
we shouldn't deport all thirty million people?

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, not at once, or really at all, all of them.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Okay, so let's stop right there. Okay, So now we've
agreed on three things close the border or not close it,
but we should police it. We should have immigrants, and
we shouldn't deport all thirty Mini.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, it's an impossible thought to deport all immigrants in
the country.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yes, fair enough. So now we're left with the decision
of should we deport the violent ones? Do you agree
with that? I do so do I We've now got
four things are if somebody has been violent or it's
committed crimes in America and you are here illegally, you

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should be gone. I agree, get them out? Get them out? Okay,
Now what about everybody else that's probably let's say we
get let's just say it's a million people. It's not,
but let's just say a million of them are violent.
Now we're at twenty nine million illegally. What are we
doing with those people? I would argue? Would you argue

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that the ones that are working? Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, I don't want I need to see a plan.
I want to see how you are impacting this country
for the better.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Okay, So here's where my problem is. When we get
to Los Angeles, I am four deporting everybody that has
done something illegal. Do you agree that those people should
get due process to show that whether or not they've
done something.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Illegal as an illegal yeah, in this country, yes, I
think we should show that.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
So now immediately you now disagree with the Trump administration
on one thing. They don't believe those people deserve new process.
You can see why that would be a problem because
what if they get it wrong. What if they say
that Billy committed a murder but it was actually Sam
and they accidentally got Billy. That' be a tragedy. I mean,

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and that has happened for that.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Person that is essentially trying to work towards citizenship.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
And that has happened. So do you agree that when
by due process, I don't mean they get a full
trial like an American would, but they go in front
of a judge, the courts, the American.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
You know, the right to an attorney, I mean things
like that, right.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
And they just say and the judge goes, are you
here illegally? Yes? Did they do this? There's enough evidence
that suggests it does. You're gone, You're good with that?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, the legal system I think works in this country.
But they weren't giving those people some of them, they
were just deporting them. But they were just deporting them
without it. You think it's okay to deport them to
countries where they did, where they're not from.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Just like to get rid of them. Yes they were.
Is it okay to send them to the Sudan if
they're from Mexico, Well.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
That really puts them in a spot to fail. I mean,
if this single mother and her three kids gets disported
to a country you're not from.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, So now I've just given you two things that
the current administration has done that Billy, are sports disagree?
So when I see this stuff happening in LA I
just say, give these people do process and let's not
prioritize deporting the people that happened to be working. Stephen Miller,

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Trump's head advisor on immigration, apparently gave a quote where
he said, go to the home depot and get all
of them. Isn't that a terrible message. Let's take the
ones that are actually working. Round them up. By the way,
they have wives and kids at home. Are we going
to tell them they're gone? See? This is tough.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I mean, is it just because you cross on an
imaginary line, you're you're granted all of the rights that
American citizens have.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
And it's not all the rights. They could just get a.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Right to do process, right to do process?

Speaker 1 (19:00):
And is America better off if the ones working at
the home depot aren't there? No, okay, So immediately now
we've got another thing you disagree with. So that gets
me to LA. Here's my problem with what's happening. First
of all, you should never be violent in a protest ever,
like throwing rocks at cars and things like that. How
many cars got set on fire in LA? Do you know?

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I don't know the other either, but I keep seeing
the same picture of the same one. That's the media
for you. I'm not sacting no violence. Anytime a protest
is violent, you're losing the American public. I also think
it's really bad for the arc for my cause for
people to be waving the Mexican flag around, because that's

(19:43):
not an image you want to show. Right, these people
want to be in America.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
They're trying to leave that country that you're the flag.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
But by the way, do we have that same view
on Irish American Heritage Day when they have the Irish flag?
How many politicians right now are flying the Israeli flag?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I'm not sure, but to take up for Israel, Oh yeah,
I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
There's some yeah, but I still would say, you know,
if I was a pr advisor for these protesters, maybe
not the Mexican flag.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
And don't block the roads, dude, I don't block.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
The worst thing you can do is block a road.
I'm telling you, I don't care what the issue is.
If I see people blocking the road, I'm against.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
That issue, whatever, whatever the issue.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
No, I'm serious, Like when I see people when I'm driving,
as people say honk. If you don't like Trump, I
might honk, but if you're in the road, I'm honking
at you. Yeah. No, I'm with you. It's it's crossing
the out of the road. Yeah. Okay. So I think
we get rid of the violet immigrants, illegally immigrants. I

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think we don't block the road. We certainly don't have violence.
But you want to know what troubles me the most
about LA What's that the military being there? The national
First of all, do you know what the National Guard?
The National Guard exists to be called up by states

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when they need help. But it has been always the
principal in America that the state governor has to call
them up. For the first time in history, Trump has
called them up and ignored the governor. That's worrisome to me.
Do we want to give a president power to call

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up the national guard no matter what, whether the local
people want it or not. We've never done that in
our history.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
If it's a state right normally, then is that good?
I wouldn't want a president. What about the military? Do
you want the commander's But.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
The military is supposed to be about protecting the country,
not turning on people in the country. I think some
people might look at that situation and think that military
involvement would be protecting people in la business. What if
I told you that the American military has never been
used for that, never, never, since the Civil War, I

(22:14):
would not have known that. So when I see this
and I see military people holding weapons in front of Americans,
I'm troubled by that. And guess what, I think the
people on the right would be troubled if it was
the other way around. Do you think Americans in Alabama

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would like to see a democratic president call the military
out on a protest of an abortion clinic. No, not
at all.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
But that's where my mind was at too, because it's
it's got to be very political. With Gavin Newsom being
so far left leaning and Trump.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
You think Trump is not far right leaning? Now he is.
But I'm saying like Trump is supposed to be the
one institution in America that's not political, right. Gavin Newsom
and Donald Trump are a BYuT their very nature going
to be political. Right. But the military. Ask anyone who's
been in the military, they tell you you are not political.

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The generals are not supposed to be appointed by the president, right,
They're not political. But when you use the military because
you're mad at the democratic governor, you're making our military political.
And that's a slippery slope. I mean, it's a very
slippery slope. Back to my abortion clinic thing. Do you

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believe if Christians are out there saying, no, I'm going
to protest abortions, that we should send the military to
point guns at them. Not in that instance? No, Then
what's the difference.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Well, back to my point, I think you have you
should protect the businesses in an area that.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
What the police the National Guard.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
For You would you would think, Yes.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Have you seen anything in LA to suggest we need
the military? No?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
No, military seems extreme.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Military seems extreme. So that is my problem when I
see LA. Have we had riots before yes, are they bad? Yes?
Should they be doing them? No? But do I think
the United States military should be walking the streets of LA. No?

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It also puts those military members in such what if
they do we want our military to have to shoot
our own citizens? No?

Speaker 2 (24:40):
But the verse is Kyle Rittenhouse's or crossing state lines
to try to protect people that he thinks deserve to
be protected.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
And was that good? No? Not at all. And was
it good that he was invited to the White House? No? Okay,
So now you see, you see my my issue with LA.
Do you know what's happening Saturday? No? I don't. What's
happening We're having a military parade? Oh I did see
this headline? Actually, yes, Trump's Birthday's perfect time. Then in
the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Army luckily

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or unluckily coincided to the same day, and we're having
a military parade through the streets of DC. How often
we have those? Never? Never that I've ever seen You
ever seen a parade of tanks in the middle of
a city? I have it. No, and I only hear
it from countries that are a little insane. Exactly when
is that? When you think of a parade of tanks

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down the street. What do you think North Korea, Russia
a rock? Yeah? Do you like that we're doing that?
Shows a force? Yeah, generally shows a force to who
the world? Are we about to be invaded? Did I
miss something? No?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
No, But Trump does like to puff his chests and
guess that people don't test him.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
And do you think having a parr down the street
is going to make people? How did those parades work
out for the Soviet Union?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Not great? And when you prioritize and continue to say I.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Heard Ram Paul on TV say I'm against it. That's
what countries like North Korea do. We're not supposed to
be doing that. So what worries me about Trump is
not that he and I disagree on politics. Like Trump
probably wants less immigrants to America than I would. That's fine,

(26:32):
he won he gets to decide, you know what I mean.
I'm good with that, But I hate that Trump's doing
these things that are completely changing what it is that
America does. It was interesting when we started this, you
said you lean more and more right, and you the
thing you said was trans and stuff. But part of

(26:58):
what I think they do with that issue is make
it to where we all fight about that or we
go see whether not Elon Musk called Trump and name,
or Trump called Elon Muskin name or all that, and
we're like missing the fact that ore that like part
of the bedrocks of America are kind of getting with

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withered away while we all argue about whether or not
Riley Gaines should have gotten her trophy for fifth.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Place, and we're distracted, while meanwhile Trump is selling twenty
twenty eight hats and you know, maybe once upon a
time that there is a he runs.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Again about that he's created, like, well, I don't want
to just turn this into but that that to me
is is anter.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
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the Do you like the Elon Musk Trump fight now
that we've been serious? Do you like watching them go
at each other?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
I do? You know? Elon kind of apologized, I think,
and so too far far? Yeah, you went too far, he.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Did, And I think that was good of him to
say that as his you know, his stocks collapse and
his holdings in Tesla.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Uh. But bizarre that you know, Trump had Tesla's on
the lawn and you think that should have happened. No, no, no, no, no.
You know, it's amazing how much he gets his We're
like letting him take his business interest and just make
him part of the.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Government and an immigrant himself, right, not originally from America,
even though he is all on board.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Now yeah, and must by the way, his pro immigration
because all of his engineers a love more immigrants. No,
I mean, Musk is pro immigration because he knows and
by the way, at his space, at his AI places,
you know, I bet a lot of the people that
work there are legal immigrants.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, he's not a big fan of the budget bill.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
What's interesting to me is I don't understand how Musk
thought basically accused Trump of the Epstein stuff, and now
he's cool with it.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
And Trump Elon's cool with him or Trump's cool with him.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Is what you're saying. No, if Elon thinks he's in
the Epstein, then how is he now cool with him? Well,
he knows that for the betterment of his companies are
the next four years, he needs to kiss and make
it very moral. I think there's an argument that Elon
is more influential than Donald Trump in the next twenty
to thirty years in America, and so him being so
close to the presidency is almost a little concerning. Yeah.

(29:43):
I find Elon to be extremely unlikable. Like with Trump,
there's at least this charm. It doesn't really work on me.
But I can see why people find him charred, right,
Like he's funny, you know what I mean. He says
crazy stuff. He's been on television, so he knows how
to entertain. I just find Elon to be a weirdo.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
He doesn't he wants social skills.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
All these billionaires they want to be.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Cool, yeah, which, well that's the one thing they don't have.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
It's exactly right, Billy r Sports. It's the one thing
that they do not have. So back in the day
it feels like rich people were just cool being rich,
and now they also want to be cool.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
It's tough watching tiktoks And.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
If you had that kind of money, would you want to?
Would you want that? I wouldn't care.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I wouldn't care dealing with my things.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
You do not. I would not need. If I make
like a little bit more money, I'm ready to be
done these. Now. You think how much Elon Musk is worth.
He's I think I saw worth four hundred and thirty
billion dollars. It's like, dude, I mean he tweets at

(30:58):
three point thirty in the warning, It's like, do you
not just want to go to bed and hang out?
He may have a mind that never goes to sleep.
He's online too much, right, he's online way too much? Well, yeah,
him buying Twitter.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Uh, you know, a terrible freedom of speech, Matt, But he.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Doesn't believe in that one thing. The right and the
left are the same on they say they're for freedom
of speech. They're lying, they're not. Both sides are lying, no,
but they're not true. First Amendment people have no party. No,
did you I mean I saw Trump said, if anyone

(31:42):
protests his speech, his parade on Saturday, they will be arrested.
You can't do that. You can't arrest peaceful protesters. Well,
you can't unless somebody stops them. Like what if he does,
who's going to stop him? I don't know, did you system? Well,
they probably will. But then though I've already been in jail.

(32:05):
I mean, nobody really believed like Elon must doesn't really
believe in the First Amendment. He bans accounts that that
criticize him, that criticize him, which by the way, if
I own Twitter, I would do too, But that doesn't
mean you believe in the First Amendment. Andy Basher, do
you think he's next candidate? So it's looking to me

(32:27):
like Ayer is going to run for president, which is
which is amazing to me because when I I've known
any Bsheer for a long time, I used to say
he was like vanilla ice cream without sprinkles.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Come no, I mean I get what you're getting.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Why are you laughing at that? Without the sprinkles is sprinkles?
What about him as sprinkles? He wears quarter vest or
quarter zips. He's got the hair that is you know,
and he he's very nice. But when's the when's the
last time Andy Basher made you laugh? Uh?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Probably when he called out Tupac's Chakruer for uh not Uh.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
He called out Tupac Shakur. Tupac's been dead for thirty years. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
It was during COVID, if you remember that, he did
those weekly or daily briefings and sacs Chupacuh.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
It was.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
It was something like he hasn't collected his money or
he's done something, and they flashed his name several.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Times because there was That was because there was a
real person in Tupac shak Yeah, it was a real person.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
And he laughed at it and he was like, oh,
we got a jokester here or something like that. And
the next day he was like, there is a real
person named Tupac Chakruer.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
But uh, well, I would have never thought that Andy
Basher could run for president. But I do think that
he's done a pretty good job, Like when I watch
his interviews now, I think he's better than he was.
I don't think he can get the nomination because now
because I think the Democratic Party does not reward moderates.

(33:58):
I don't think the Republicans do here, but specifically in
the context of the of the primary. So part of
our problem in America is the political incentive. Instruct incentives
are not to go after people that are moderate. Like,
think about it, most issues, we act like there's two positions, right,

(34:23):
You're either pro this or anti this, But most people
are in the middle. But when you vote in a primary,
it's the extremes that vote. And I don't you know,
you go vote to a Democratic primary, who tends to
show up the people who care the most, and the
people who care the most tend to be the most
liberal right, same thing on the Republican side, who shows

(34:46):
up the magapine yeah wing. And so I think it's
hard for Andy because like, how is he going to
be the person who gets those far left people. I
may have told you this story, but when I was
thinking about run for Senate, I went to Louisville. So
I went to this group and I said, I want
you to find the most liberal people in Louisville, okay,

(35:11):
and I want you to put them in a room
with me and let them ask me questions. True story.
So I went down in Louisville to this facility and
there were about seventy five people there, and they represented
all of Louisville's liberal interest groups. Some of you all
might even be listening right now. If you were in
that room, you can acknowledge it went terrible for me.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
No billy.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
These people yelled at me. They yelled at me, and
to be fair, I started getting mad back at them.
In this thing where I'm trying to convince them to
like me, I was like arguing with them because they
were sitting there saying to me, well, what's your position
on this? Well, it should be this coal. They were

(36:01):
big about coal. They wanted me to say that coal
should go away, and I kept saying, I'm not gonna
say that. I don't believe coal should go away. My
people in Eastern Kentucky. That's what sustains our economy. I'm
not gonna say. And then they were like, but it
kills the environment, and I said, well, I'm by the way.
I can't. First of all, I don't believe it should

(36:22):
go away, and secondly, I can't go into eastern Kentucky
and tell all these people I'm gonna take their jobs.
You think I'm gonna win if I do that?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Not if you want to stay true to yourself. You're
not gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
No, And they just yelled at me. And next thing,
you know, like I'm getting worked up, as you've seen
me do often, and it hit me like I don't
know if I can run because I don't know if
I could win a Democratic primary.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
So was it they couldn't find common ground with you
or they were so worked up on their extreme issues
and thoughts that they couldn't see I think it's.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
The Democratic Party when it comes to the primarys Okay,
So the people who feel really strongly about an issue
have way more authority. Does that? So, like like when
you talk about education, if there's an education bill, who

(37:17):
feels the strongest about education? Usually it's the teachers' unions.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Okay, Yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Because it's their job, and I generally agree with the teachers' unions.
But the thing is, if you have a position that's
different than the teachers' union, you're in.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Trouble because you're not on that because they care the most.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Now, magnify that to everything. The people that care the most,
and they tend to be the most extreme. So it
led to the Democratic Party, for instance, taking the position
in twenty twenty four that you should be able to
be transgender in play sports. Right, that was an to me,

(37:58):
that's an extreme position, but it got to the point
that the party couldn't articulate a different position than that.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, it's almost like the extreme views of the left
became the basis of.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
It, and the people on the right, like the Clay
Travises of the world, they magnify that because they want
that to be who it is. Yeah. And by the way,
the Republicans do the same thing. What you when we
were talking about illegal immigrants. I don't think most Americans
want all thirty million people deported. They do not want
their local Mexican restaurant closed. That's the one thing you

(38:31):
better not take away. No, but they will because a
lot of the people that weren't there are going to
be illegal immigrants. Yeah. And there's not a lot of
left leaning you know, political talk shows either, right, I mean,
what is the biggest left leading political talk Well, okay,
so we are and that got the fun, but that's
not a that's not that's on television. Yeah, radio, I

(38:57):
don't even know. Do you think is there any voice
on w h AS in Louisville besides the one you're
hearing right now, that lean's left. Maybe Nick Coffee is
a little bit here and talk about it. No, Terry Miners,
I love him, but his lean's a little right. Dwight

(39:18):
Wing is right. Dwight is right. Tony has become right,
didn't used to be, but kind of has become right.
Clay and Buck. Yeah, and then don't even start when
you go into the night time Glenn b Gosh, I
don't know who's I mean, you got well Glenn back

(39:38):
in the Alien Show, basically the same thing. Oh so
my point is just like the right wing dominates radio,
what are the biggest podcasts? Now, Joe Rogan?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
That's true?

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Right, Yeah, I mean even like Shane Gillis has, I
feel like I feel like he's a little more moderate,
Like I think he's more about being funny than he
is about being right wing. I definitely agree with that,
you know, whereas I think Rogan is more about being
right wing than he is about being funny.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Well, the right wing has a lot of them.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Being Shapiro, Charlie Kurr, Timpoole, I mean Tim Poole that
wears a beat at yeah all the Time's the last
time you seen him?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I mean the left has Howard Stern. I mean he's
carrying a.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
What's the last time you listen to Howard Stern? Just
in clips? Yeah, I mean Howard Stern. I love Howard Stern,
but I love him. I haven't listened to him in
thirty years.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Are you that voice?

Speaker 1 (40:34):
No? No, I But my point is just to say
the incentive structure is to always be like the reason Clay,
Travis and Buck have success. Have you ever heard them
ever articulate a liberal or moderate point?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
No, it's usually an echo chamber.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
They don't have any incentive though, because the moderates and
the liberals aren't listening. So the only way they can
get people listening is to be as far right wing
as possible.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Well, that's a bigger issue.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
We've got a bigger issue when it comes to our
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Speaker 2 (42:02):
You asked me topics that I lean more to the
right of by day. You mentioned the environment. That's one
of them.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Oh you hate the environment.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I'm just not for saving it anymore. What just pass
that problem down the road, Let my grandkids deal with it.
Like I was full, I was all about it, and
then I had to drink through a paper straw.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
And I just I'm not for that anymore. I hate
paper straws too, But you would agree that, like, if
you don't save the environment, none of these other things
will make I mean eventually, Matt, like, yes, eventually. How
much longer do you think we got You don't believe
these people who say we only have like twenty years
to turn it around? No? No, like, yeah, and you

(42:41):
base that on what scientific knowledge you have? None?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Just my TikTok feed, I guess, and my general knowledge
of the ice caps are your anti vax No. I
got the COVID vaccine.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah, so you haven't gone down that path yet. No.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Many people in my uh you know, close to me
personally may have that opinion, but you know that doesn't
mean I don't love them or see them as a
human being.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
You know what worries me about those opinions is what
if one day we have a virus where if you
don't take the vaccine you will die. Well, I was
told I'm very concerned by that.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
When I got the vacs, it was under the assumption
that we was going to stop COVID.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, but they never said that that was not I mean,
I think I do think if you led a little bit.
Well that's on you. I mean you, it's ultimately up
to yourself to I do think the government, Fauci and
some of those people in encouraging people to do it
act like it would do more than it did. But

(43:40):
I also think the encouraging people to do it was
the right thing because I think there would have been
many more people died without it.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Well, I have a lot of sympathy for you know,
we were in the moment we were not sure is
going to have to to And I don't think everybody
has that sympathy.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
And I think that's easy in hindsight to say whatever
you like, it's okay. So imagine you let's let's say
let's say they had been wrong about the vaccine in
the other way and they didn't tell people to take it,
and then millions of people died. Yeah, you think we
might have criticized them for it. I mean, I give
all those governors a lot of leeway because they didn't know.

(44:17):
This was the first time we were doing it. You know,
I think we probably left things closed a little too long,
But I give people the grace because they didn't know.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yeah, it's just unfortunate. There's a mental health crisis.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I think that's evolved without question and without question has
amplified social media's impact. But it had a huge effect
on I mean, there are studies that say that the
kids who in there had to learn at home have
done worse. Yeah, I guarantee it. I guarantee it. You
can't just have It's not the same learning experience. And

(44:52):
I'm a big I'm like Elon in the sense that
people should have to go to work. I don't think
I don't think remote working. A lot of liberals get
mad at me about this. I think remote working on
a regular basis is good for society. I think we
need to form bonds, sense of connecting connections. One of
the good things about work you deal with people you
disagree with, which I think is important in this world,

(45:13):
rather than just sitting at home and only listening to
the people you agree with. So I'm with you all that,
but I'm also with you that I give them grace
because they.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Didn't know didn't know what was going to happen next.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
And how would you like to have been the person
having to make that decision? They come to you if
you're Matt Jones governor and they say, Matt, do you
want to keep these restaurants open or closed? Well? What happs?
If I keep them open? We don't know, but there
might be a ton of people die Wellhams if they
close them. Well, we don't know, but we think it

(45:46):
might save lives. I'm gonna lean towards.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, but I disagreed with the church's one. Well, I
agree with the logic of this could impact the lives
of the people that show up and are there. I
think the religious aspect of it, okay, so much more
of a choice than a restaurant.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
So let's say though, Let's say we end up with
a vat with a disease that if you pass it
the other person dies. You would you close the churches then?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
I mean I'd want to, But you know, you can't
fix stupid. A lot of times I'm not calling people stupid,
but you're telling people it's it's going to kill you
if you show up somewhere and you still do. I mean,
it's there's almost what more can you do? I guess
what more is there?

Speaker 1 (46:36):
We get to the next the next one, which will happen,
hopefully not in our lifetime, but in somebody's lifetime. When
we get to the next one. Nobody's going to listen
to anything the government says. And at that point, you know,
I'm a big believer and be skeptical, but you gotta
believe in something. Yeah, no, I'm serious, you gotta believe

(46:58):
in something. Like I always hear people say, you know,
I do my own research. Well, but you're stupid kid.
What are you talking about? You do your own research.
We don't have time to research everything I was telling
you about. How you know I have a restaurant. I

(47:19):
brought in a person today who's an expert in the
restaurant industry to help teach me some things about the restaurant,
your own little bar Rescue. I didn't want to do
my own research. I needed an expert. You know what.
The people who genuinely think the way for them to
do their health is to do their own research. First

(47:42):
of all, doing your own research, Billy, just means you're
listening to someone else's opinion. I mean you're not in
the lab doing the science.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Well, hold on, I gotta go test some of these
do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Like, so they'll say, they'll hear a government person go,
you know what, you shouldn't you should take this medication?
They know them do a mo own research. They go
on the internet, they google, and then they hear someone
else tell them not to.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, what was it ivermectin or something like that, the
horse medicine.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
When you quote unquote do your own research, you're only
hearing other people's opinions. You're not in the lab doing
the research.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, I guess I would argue, you know, is the
government the authority on everything?

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Is?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
They're not a different opinion by somebody.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
That And I know the government is wrong a lot,
but you know who I know is not the authority.
Tim Poole and his beaming. I mean, Robert Kennedy sounds
like a frog, and you're telling me I'm supposed to
listen to him about health. No, I mean, she's somebody
with experience.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
He's trying to change things.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
He doesn't even have a medical degree. Seriously, when you
say his experience, give me Robert Kennedy's medical experience. I
don't know his medical experience. How can you say he
has experience.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Oh, well, he's somebody that's i'm sure more experienced in
the topic than I am, and so I default to
him as an expert and that.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
You default to someone who actually has credibals. Well, here's
the thing. It's hard to tell who's an expert and
who is an AI, or who is a bot or
who is somebody that is just trying to for a
while there, you heard that voice and you didn't know
what to think of it. But like you, there are
a lot of people that feel like you, and that

(49:24):
that does worry me because there's a lot of people
that see all the different voices and they go they
just throw their hands in the air and go, I
don't know. Yeah, I do that often, and I that's
why I still believe in like authority figures, because they're

(49:45):
going to be wrong, but they'll be right more than
they're wrong.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, I guess the problem is I'm skeptical now, Like
I am not going to just take whatever the government
says as facts.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
So how are you going to decide whether to take it?

Speaker 2 (49:59):
What the next fact saying is what you're saying?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
How are you going to do do my own research, Matt,
which means you're gonna just gonna hear somebody else's bat
I'll listen to client back that day. Well, that's who
will tell you, or you can listen to The Matt
Jones Show. Thank you to Billy for sitting in here
with me today. Next week we've got a couple of
guests lined up that should be a lot of fun.
I appreciate you tuning in for us every Thursday night,
or those of you that listen on podcast. This has

(50:23):
been the Matt Jones Show. We'll see you later.