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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the Morning Drive with Dan and Cole.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And then Thompson takes it away back to Shangodle Eurostep
Is where the basketating two more points for twenty eight points,
ten rebounds Apparic Island Rockets with double doubles Shangun twenty
eight and ten Thompson twenty and twelve. The Houston Rockets
come back to downtown Houston inside Tota Center and grab
a convincing rackets win final score Rockets won twenty one
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and the Kings ninety five. Oh the sweet sounds of
Matt Thomas on the call, and the Rockets return to
Toyota Center, and with that we say away we go
in good morning. Here It is the Morning Drive with
Dan and Cole, Dan Matthews, Cole Thompson, triple e, Emmanuel Elmore,
getting you going here on this saggy Thursday morning here
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in the A and last night Cole. First half, yeah, yeah,
you know, not great. The shooting was not great, and
defensively same deal there where I mean, just the Rockets
kind of ho hum a little bit on the former
end and then the latter end still not that great either.
But then the second half you outscore Golden State or
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excuse me, well team just up the road from Golden State,
Sacramento thirty six nineteen, thirty four, twenty four. So all
of a sudden, the Rockets, after I threw out the
tweet of man, they're just not shooting it right now
either they can't make it, you know, inside, outside, open,
not open, whatever it might be. And the second half
they said, hey, Dan, why don't you calm down a
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little bit. Yeah, they shot fifty three percent overall in
the night. They shot sixty one overall on the second
half you mentioned at thirty six nineteen differential.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
They went on I think it was a nine to
zero run at the start of the third quarter. Start
third quarter. Again, here we are nitpicking a Rockets team
that currently is sitting at fourteen and five, with two
dues that had double doubles last night, three dudes that
hit over twenty points. He had a really good game
once again from Alburt chin Goon. Kevin Durant played thirty
two minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
He was nine to sixteen from the field.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I'm at Thompson, dude, I mean, at least he started
a step on up more and more efficiently offensively. Eight
of eighteen from the field, twelve rebounds, nearly had a
triple double at one point.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Plus ten differential.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We're complaining about little things against a team that had
no fight being in this game, and they clearly showed
why one roster is going to be considered a favorite
to go to the Western Conference Finals and the other
ones is the favor for the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, I mean, and that's the thing too, is you know,
obviously the Kings are without some bonus, they don't have
Dennis Shrewder right now. But still, I mean, that's a
team that's two to ten away from Sacramento, and you
handled them last night like they were another thing that
you didn't mention there and was a storyline the game
last night. Fifth most points in the paint in franchise history,
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seventy eight last night. So well, not to leave it
up for you to go, oh, I appreciate that, I
appreciate it. It's it's a good double play turn right
there you you you hit me right the numbers that
I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
With the assists, there we go, there you go right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, actually you don't say the numbers in baseball, you
say the letters hit you hit me writ in the
letters right there, So good on you.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm still gonna complain about one thing, and this is
where again seven one, two, five nine. If you want
shoun one in Rockets get the one twenty one ninety
five victory last night. This was such a fun team
to begin the year when it came to three point shooting.
The last four games they have been dreadful from downtown
and it's now becoming a trend of where Listen, I'm
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not saying that every single night I need to see
you be hitting forty three percent. I'm not saying I
need to see Reed Shepherd, Joshakogi, Alpin Shingoon be efficient
from the three range. But when you're five of sixteen
and you're oh of eight to begin the game and
you only make two in.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
The second half, just it's very bothersome.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Because of it now something that I thought was gonna
be a massive strength of this team for the for
the entirety of the season. You gotta ask yourself, were
you just playing with fire at the start of the season,
because this is now the fourth game where you're shooting
under forty percent from downtown thirty one percent last night
in the loss against I mean the win against the
Jazz thirty five percent in the LAS against the Jazz
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twenty nine percent.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I think there's a couple of things in play here.
I think one, you're starting to get into the back
to back part of your schedule, and I mean, you know,
you had the back to back on Sunday and Monday
in Utah, and then you have a night off, which
it was funny, you know, I was watching the TV
side and Ryan Hollins even mentioned that was like, man,
they look like they are having to like knock off
some rust here.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I'm like, it's a day off. You only had one
day in between.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And you know, we were talking with Matt Thomas where
we asked him, hey, what time did you guys get back.
We got back at like four thirty Tuesday morning. It's like, oh, okay,
So I guess it's not really that much of an
off day because you know, you get back to the crib,
go to sleep, go to sleep for a little bit,
probably like wake up at noon, and then you know,
go about your day. So I get all of that,
you know. I think the other part of it too,
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is you know you mentioned Reed Shepherd. He had him
off the bench last night. I'm not really sure.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I'm yoll yelling that guy right now.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I understand that you know, matchups dictate how you approach
the other team, but I mean, you know, going with
the starting five of Durant, Smith, Shingoun Okogie and Thompson,
I still think, no matter what, I'm keeping read Shepard
and that's starting spot right now.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Sure, but he played twenty eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
He was two or seven from the field, he was
one or two from the three point range. He had
a plus twenty two differential. He played really well when
it came to defensive rebounding. He had all six of
his rebounds came on the defensive side. So I mean,
right now you have him as the sixth man, you're
rotating him on him with Josha Koge. I'm not complaining
entirely about it, because right now we're starting to see
him kind of cool back off. He's no longer giving
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you the efficient numbers offensively to where you feel you
got to be playing him thirty five minutes a night.
I do think that there are gonna be some matchups
where you do want to put him out there last times.
Not one of those games though, for me, because like again,
let's just call it as his. This is a crappy
Sacramento team. They're not good. You can say they want
to light the beam. They want to light their future
towards the number one overall pick. Like, that's what we're
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talking about this point for this Rockets Rosser, I view
them right now as if we got to get Kobe's
some more minutes, because if we gotta feel comfortable about
our depth, fine, I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Cool with that. It's the games when you face.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Off against like let's say Golden State. It's the games
when you take on Phoenix this week on Fridays. The
games to where you go ahead and you face off
against Dallas, you face off against Denver, you face off
against the Lakers on Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
That's where I want to see the man's for Reid.
That's where I want to see more consistency from Reid.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's where I want to see Reid in the starting
lineup because I want to know that I'm building around
my former number.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Three overall pick.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But like last night, I'm not gonna be complaining like
like I think he started one, did he start both
the games for the Jazz or did.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
He start just one? I believe he started both of them.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Okay, So like again, if you're gonna have him start
against one crappy team, you can give him a night
off to where he's coming off the bench.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
He still played twenty eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I mean we're talking about he played almost the he
played almost sixty percent of the.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Game last night.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm not sitting here and picking apples or oranges.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You can go ahead and say, well, he wasn't with
the starters. He still played valuable minutes and offensively still
not a lot one is white.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, I mean you were able to empty out the
entire bench. I mean it's one of those that it's
usually a good night, especially I mean the way the
Rockets have played this year when you get Jeff Green,
Jay Shawn Tate and JD. Davison coming off the bench
for you and getting some end of game minutes. But
the Rockets, I saw this last night, the most twenty
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plus point wins this season. So it's not just that
they're beating teams. They're physically manhitting. Oh they're soundly kicking
the crap out of them.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And that's a good thing because you want to know
what that says You're right there alongside every other great
organization currently in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Another thing I said last night too, and I think
it absolutely holds right now, is that even with some
of the things, I mean, I feel like it's nitpicking at.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
This point, Oh, we're being very spoiled here.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And the thing that you know, I also couched it with,
you know and saying what I said is I said,
it's early December. Like, I'm good with these things being
an issue in early December because I feel like some
of the other things are completely outweighing. I mean, the
points in the paint last night. This is a team
that rebounds incredibly well. This is the team that at
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their core is very physical and defensive minded. So I
think that you will still have those in your back pocket.
And oh, by the way, even getting some good news
yesterday that help is on the way.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Dori any Phinny Smith? When's he when's his first game back? Officially?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
They at least what I saw was January is what
there is what they're looking for.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
So he's starting to ramp it up right now.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, so that'll be you know, I mean, he's got
to probably go through conditioning.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I mean, with that ankle.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
He probably hasn't really been able to do a ton
of conditioning, and then you got to get him on
the floor. You got to get him in five and fives.
I mean, you've got to try to build him back
up to game shape as much as you can. And
that's probably still gonna be another month. I mean, we're
probably talking February until we see him fully used to
the capability for you know why he was brought here.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Is this gonna be like one of those things where
it's the Jake Myers Jeremy Pangya. You think that they're
almost ready to come on back, and then you see
them come on back and then they go right back
on the il.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Is Is that what we're gonna deal with her? God?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I hope not, man, I pray to God. Let's just
let's just hope that's that's an a thing.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Okay, okay for me, what I will say before we
move on to other subjects. By the way, seven one, three,
two two, five, seven ninety, if you have your thoughts
on the rockets, what I really just seem frustrated is
again you are able to win at the with the
most twenty.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Point differential wins.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You gotta hope that Oklahoma City eventually kind of crafts
the bed, like they come back down to reality. They
won their last ten, they're on a thirteen game win streak,
they're twenty one and one. Like you're just basically playing
in the shadows of whatever Sga Hartenstein and Chet Holgerm
are doing right now, and they're the champions like like that,
like that's.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Really it, so like you're not We're.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Not even able really to truly celebrate what this team
has been able to accomplished through eighteen games nineteen games
this year, because you're so five and a half back
from the first place in the Western Conference. They're slightly
behind Los Angeles. Don't worry, they'll come back down to reality.
As a joke, but Oklahoma City is still the team
to beat, and they look like that they may be
better than what they were last season. Yeah, and then
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even fully healthy. That's the other part. They're finally just
starting to game back some traction.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, I mean, and I think that's also a huge
reason why the Rockets made some of the moves they
did this offseason to try to improve outside shooting, but
also to add length to go against what Oklahoma City
brings you.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I mean, that's the whole.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Thing is when you're in chase mode of somebody, well,
then you try to make your organization as close to
them as possible or even you know, as dangerous to
them as possible. And that's what Rafelstone in the Rockets
tried to do this offseason, and for the most part,
it's paid off. I mean, you know, like I said,
I mean, you know, we're picking knits here about a
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team that's nine games over five hundred and team and
five overall.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know what's interesting is that we just had the
actual standings just completely straight on up, like, hey, who's
gonna be wearing a sixteen pecking order?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Rockets would be the four seed.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
They would also be the number two seed in the
Eastern Conference if they just moved over sides. Because Detroit's
the only team that's doing anything. Can you even tell
me where the next team in the Eastern Conference ranks
among all teams in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Behind the Rockets. I don't know the Orlando Magic. No,
it's Toronto Raftors. That should tell you everything.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Dan Matthews about how bad the Eastern Conference is with
Scardie Barnes roster is finding a way to be sitting
here at fifteen and seven.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, look, I'd much rather be callous to heading into
the playoffs than to be going in and then you.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Know, it's a blood letting in the wild.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Much rather be the number one seed and a guaranteed
shoe in to go to the finals.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
And this is a statement for any team in.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
The Western Conference, not just the Rockets, any team for
the Western Conference named Los Angeles, Houston, San Antonio, Denver,
and I'll even go as far as to say probably Minnesota.
They're gonna be number one of the Eastern That.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Was the king.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I think a part of it though at the Eastern
Conference is I mean, you know, you've also got to
thrown the cave out of Boston being without Jason Tatum.
And then you know, also you know Indianapolis being without
Indiana being without Haliburton.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Well, Milwaukee can be without one of their star players
very soon that they could.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You're leading right into it, because well, the conversations already
being had. And when that's the case, what could the
Rockets be involved. We will discuss as we're just getting
going here. On a Thursday, it is the morning Drive
with Dan and Cole sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
The Morning Drive with Dann and Cole on Sports Talk
seven ninety, home of the Strolls, Rockets, and Houston's best
sports talk.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
We stepped aside up momentarily Yanna Santa Cumpo and his
agent sitting down to Milwaukee Bucks to discuss their future and,
according to Sham Sharania, discussing what is the best fit.
Is that staying or is it moving somewhere else? A
source telling Shiranya on Wednesday, a resolution in his talks
expected in the coming weeks, which will shape whether or
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not Anti Koumpo is made available ahead of the February
fifth trade deadline. Now here's the thing is, we like
to do hypotheticals all the time. We like we like
to do, you know, the the verbal version of the
trade machine, to see if it works. I think that
it is absolutely would include some form of shingoon. It
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would include a men Thompson, and it would probably even
include like Jabari Smith Junior or somebody like that. Like,
if you're Milwaukee, you're in a position right now where
you're just saying, hey, look we we can sit on him.
He's fine, he's under contract. We don't have to move
him anywhere, and if you do move him, well, then
you're expecting to get something in return that at least
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you don't have to have a hard reset, that you
can have enough of a reset where maybe you take
a little bit of a step back in the interim,
but then eventually you're able to take a step forward.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Milwaukee is ten and thirteen in the Eastern Conference right now.
They would, if the season ended today, be the number
ten seed in the Eastern Conference. They'd be in the
play in if they were able to win against Cleveland
and then some Am'm gonna win over Atlanta or Philadelphia.
They're in the playoffs with a losing record. Dan, That's
how easy the Eastern Conference is right now. So basically,
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whoever you're training for, you're trying to bring in enough
pieces to where at least you're staying in the competitive
nature of landing some spot in the Eastern Conference playoffs. Okay,
you give up Amar, you go Jabari, you give up
by Men, you give up Alprin, you give a three
first round picks, you give it probably a future draft
lottery pick, whatever that may be. That's a team that
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can actually still be very competitive in the Eastern Conference
and you get you get y honest, Okay, let's just
be real. You get Yannis. You're paying up along Stadeer Katie.
That is a front court mismatch nightmare. That is a
great field goal percenting.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
To each shooting presenting team.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That is a team that has two of the biggest superstars.
When they're at their peak, they may be the best
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
That's a big asking price to give away.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And believe me, this is why you never see these
type of blockbuster deals go on as often as you
do in the regular season, and it feels like they
got to do in the off season because that is.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
A major, major, out of ludicrocy.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Type of compensation that you're gonna have to pay for
Giannis with a thirty seven year old Kevin Durant. I
mean like, there comes a point where Rockets fans I
understand that you want to go ahead and get better
and you want to have the superstar of all superstars.
I want to be competitive when both of them retire
or at least when Katie's done in two years.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Do you want know how you do that?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
You don't let go of Aman Thompson and Jabari Smith
and Oprin shing Goon. You can let go two of them.
You look go of all three in all of your
draft pics too, just to bring in Giannis. Dude, you're
basically done after this small regime little run I'm sorry,
like I don't see him yet and moved for simply
that reason. And it's not Houston, it's anywhere, Like, why
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would a team be willing to mortgage its entire future
for a guy who they know is under contract for
the next few years. But you're giving up what has
to be one of the largest ransoms we would see
in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
He's in his age thirty season right now, and this
season he is do fifty four just over fifty four
million dollars, and the next year do about fifty eight
and a half million. And then he's got a player
option in twenty seven, which more than likely he would
opt out of to get more money and probably would
get more money, and then unrestricted free agent in twenty eight.
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So conceivably you could do a deal like this and
get him for two years, because I mean, the way
the Rockets are right now, I would not see Jannis
coming here and saying, yeah, you know what, maybe a
year and then I'm gonna, you know, go ahead and
just move on from here. And just doesn't seem like
the Rockets would do business that way. You're you're bringing
him in here. You're bringing him in here with the
express purpose of no, no, no, no, we're keeping you here.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You're telling you're doing exactly what to do with KD. Hey,
I'm coming in. I have one year in my contract
now you don't yeah three yeah, right, yeah, you're extended,
whether you like it or not. You know, actually he
would like it, because you know, he'd be going well
above what he's making right now. But it's just also
too I mean, you asked me this six months ago,
and I say, dude, absolutely do the deal. Like you
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love Alprin Shingoon, but love Giannis Santa Cumpo even more well,
Like do you remember the trade packers that was like
being flowed around earlier this year when it came to
Giannis Jalen Green, Alprin Shingoon Read Shepherd, first round pick
in twenty twenty five, first round pick in twenty twenty seven,
future first round pick.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean the draft pick part doesn't necessarily matter, because
I mean, the Rockets are to the point where the
draft lottery is not going to matter as much for them.
And I mean it's also I mean we've seen it
from the draft. Maybe you get a player or two
for the entire draft that can make a difference. Well,
what everybody else you're fitting in the roles? You can
go find those guys.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Like what I'm trying to say is that when it
was offer, it feels so bad because you still had
Amen Thompson, you still had Jabari Smith. Not to be
completely transparent, this was also before the rumors of Kevin
Durant come to Houston right prolifics. So you'd have to
trade away probably Jabari and Dylan Brooks in a deal
in those first round picks to getting Kat, but you
still keep Amen Thompson.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
And that's kind of the whole premise of this thing.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
If you gotta get rid of shan Gun to go
bring in Yannis, I can live with that. If you
got to go move Jabari Smith to go bringing Giannis,
I'm okay with that. I think Reed Shepherd is going
to end up being a very quality player in the
Rockets uniform and a very quality player in the NBA.
But if you've got to go move him to go
get Yiannis, and let's say you can sign to a
long term extension four or five years after this, so
you've really gotten for six years. I'm okay with that.
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Pair him with Katie. It's the Amen Thompson part. I'm
just it's a non negotiable right now. Back to back seasons,
slow starts. Once you get ramped on up into the
month of November December, you're watching him become one of
the more fluid rising stars in this game, and you
can I'm locked up for ten to fifteen years. I'm
much rather that than what you get with three or
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four years with be honest, and you gotta throw.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Them in the deal. See.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, I think that the Shingun part of it.
You know that you were mentioning about the trade package
that was being you know, at least down out there,
and like I said, I mean, we'd like to do
the hypotheticals all the time. Was more about Jalen Green,
just because I just I think Rockets fans were done
with them. I think that it was you were done
with the inconsistency. You appreciated when he would give you
the thirty plus performance games and you're like, Okay, is
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this the guy like has he unlocked something? As he
found something? And then the following game it was just
more or less. I think that people were just tired
of the Oh, he's getting blitzed, he's all these other things.
It's like you're missing the point here. That's not what's
supposed to happen. Like, even if he quote unquote gets blitzed,
he's supposed to still find a way to factor with
fifteen and twenty, like like that's that's what he's supposed
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to do.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I just look at the from the standpoint of.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Why are you really going to be able to give
on up to where it feels like you were not
just going all in for the next two years and
then hadn't hit reset and didn't you just hit the
reset button by going out and getting guys like Amen Thompson,
Gett Jabari Smith, getting Jayalen Green to help you rebuild
this franchise in the right way, and now you have
all that compensation to where you're going to be able
to move off of players to bring in superstar names.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
But that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
You bring in the superstars, they want something in return,
which means that you end up losing either compensation or
you end up losing players or here long term.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Here's the thing though, too, I don't think that you're
in the same position that you were years ago when
you did the experiment with James Harden and Russell Westbrook
and then coming out of it, you know, Westbrook, you
shipped him off somewhere else, and then Harden was he
didn't want to be here anymore because he saw what
was coming. I think that now, with what you've built
up with depth, is that you can take a swing
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like this and still you're not going to be as deep,
but you're not going to be in dire straits either.
You're going to be a team that's still going to
be very good and one of the best in the
Western Conference.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
The problem that I think right now that you have
to ask yourself is who else is in the market
for a guy like Yiannis. I can tell you the
first scene san Antonio, San Antonio is are gonna pair
somebody alongside with Victor. They want to have the wemby
doing they want to have the combination downtown in San
Antonio for the long term. So it feels like that's
a move to where that could alter your positioning in
the Western Conference, which again it sucks, But if you
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want to take that calculated risk if you're San Antonio,
because if you have a new regime with no more
Pop as your head coach, you got mits Chopson running
the program, and you got a lot of young picture
and you're gonna still continue to have a lot of
picks that are rising up and comers, and they could
probably utilize the minutes more. And you can get rid
of a Stefan Castle, you can get rid of a Bailey,
you can get rid of some of your debt pieces.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But like I look at it from the rocket standpoint,
I just am not willing to part ways with Aman Thompson.
I'll tell you right now. I feel like that's a
non negotiable in the deal. And so like that's where
the elevation turns to. Okay, if I gotta get rid
of a guy that I believe can be a franchise
cornerstone for the next decade, I'd better win a championship
or I'm gonna look foolish, ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I just I think the thing with Thompson, though, too,
is that you could be running into a situation where
you can't pay everybody. I mean, I I that's the
one I'm paying though, I mean, and you wouldn't be
wrong in doing that. I'm just saying that, you know,
that would be something that comes up in the discussions
with Rafel and his staff of you know, are we
gonna be able to afford him? We're gonna be able
to afford paying you know, Katie these final two years,
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are we gonna be able to afford alprin Shingoon? Where
I mean, you know, you sign him the extension last offseason,
but I mean, the way he's playing right now, I'm
sure that ask is going to happen again pretty soon
of hey, you know, we we appreciate the pay bump,
but my guy's out performing said pay bump. Now, you know,
let's let's talk about, you know, rewarding the next pay bump.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Okay, but if you're rewarding that pay bump also just
to land Yiannis and guarantee that you feel pretty comfortable
with him being a part of your organization long term.
He's going to get a pay bump fourteen that he's
yet to play for. And sometimes I understand the risk,
like like Katie perfect example, Katie's couldn't close out his
career here in Houston. He's not going on anywhere else.
It's not like, oh, Philadelphia's call on him at age
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forty one, you want to go ahead and lay it
on up for one more season. No, he's done at
this point, and he's earned enough equity to realize I
can be a difference maker where I'm not the number
one every single night, but I get to be a
part of a really good rising organization.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I'll sign the deal. Yanna's at thirty.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
He could be in the league for another ten years
if he wants to, but he's yet to show me
anything in Houston where I want to give him a
signed contract on the dotted line to watch his alprhinggund
I could pay probably same price for be locked in
for the next eight or nine years, and maybe it's
not going to be at the same level of superstardom
or impact, but it still could allow me to build
really good foundational spots around him to what he does.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Feel like I am a more balanced corps.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Because if I am willing to go ahead and pay
marginally over the market price for certain players, then really
overspent on one guy that I'm pairing alongside with the thirty
seven year old other guy to when when he retires
in three years. I got to hope that Gianni's is
going to be able to deliver by himself, and we're
gonna have to hit reset in a lot of the
depth purposes.
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seven ninety is the numb cole. The Chiefs are dangerous now,
I know yesterday we started to have a lot of
belief of yeah they're not so bad.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah you're right, they're dangerous.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
But don't say that to Demico Ryans, because Demiko Ryans
agrees with you.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
We know the Chiefs are a really good team. Sorry,
next opponents.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So we're fired up, you know, for the matchup, excited
to go play a really good team.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I probably should have faished my comment leap mid is
what I was gonna go with, dangerously mid.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
They're not a good team.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, I mean that's I I and Demiico I think
even kind of backed you up on that a little
bit to me.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Go say it with more gusto vibrato.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Demiko. On their physical team, we know that they're afraid
to fight. We know that they're dominant. They've been winning
in the trenches. They've been exceptional on third down efficiency.
Their quarterback is not getting hit left and right. They
can run the football. We know that this is gonna
be a matchup. Yeah, they're a dangerous team, man, hey man, Dan,
I think that you you have just a fantastic smile
and personality just exactly. I'm I'm putting it this way, man,
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just so that way, you know, like excited.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
There is nothing worse, honestly than when somebody in football
talks about a player They're like, oh, he's got a
great smile. I'm like, what does that have to do
with anything.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
He's got an award winning spot, which means you can
trust him. You can.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
You can trust him, you can you can town and
leave your dog there and trust me he'll he'll watch
it better than like Kevin watch years.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
All right, Well, I mean if I need a dog walker,
or if I need somebody to sell me insurance, then
I'll count on them. But guess what I want to
count on a defensive player for being physical? Guess what
I want to count on an offensive player for knowing
their assignment, knowing how to run routes. That's what That's
what I want to count on somebody for. But I
think that he's handling this the right way, honestly. I mean,
you know, I know that we joked about the brevity
(26:39):
of his response, but I mean this is a team
that I think kind of looks at the situation that
they're in, and they're very much and pretty much the
same boat. Not pretty much, they are in the same
boat as as the Chiefs. They need to win as
many games as possible because now you're trying to get
past two teams in your own division and at least
two or three teams in the wild card race to
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be able to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And this is a team too.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I mean, remember after the Monday Night lost to the Seahawks,
we played the audio from Titus Howard talking about how
there was a little bit of complacen scene.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Wait,
wait a minute, what's that word you just said?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Like, you guys are two games under five hundred, How
the hell can you be complacent? What the hell gives
you the right to be complacent?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, I'll go step further, and if you win this one,
it once again shows that you're at least trending up
word toward being in that contention category of AFC front runners.
Like again, look at the schedule, and this is where
I will push back all the time with Texans fans
saying that they're seven to five. Yes, they have put
themselves in a very good position to go on a
run to close out twenty twenty five and make the
playoffs for the third straight year. But let's just go
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through your wins. Tatasy Titans or Seem in the NFL.
Baltimore Ravens. They had the worst defense for the first
six weeks of the season because everyone was on the
ir say Francs, justs go forty nine ers. Okay, I
will give you that one, very very very good win.
Jacksonville Jaguars. They're a joke. They will come back to
reality at some point, or they're just somehow funneling away
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with full scold Tennessee Titans or Seem in the NFL
Buffalo Bills. Injured on the defense, injured on the offensive line.
Really they have one element that works in their favor
or running the football with James Cook and Josh Allen.
You were able to contain both them for the most
of the afternoon. He got seven sacks. Indianapolis Colts stop
Jonathan Taylor win the football game. I know what I'm
getting in Kansas City, because if it's a primetime matchup
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with their franchise quarterback, who's won multiple Super Bowls and
never been in this situation before. So he's playing like
a rabid dog trying to make sure that he guarantees
that he survives another day in the wild. This is
a game to where you start to figure out how
good Houston can be if they're able to show on
up in a place that they haven't won in the
Demigo Ryant's era.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
This is also one of those two as you were talking,
it just came to mind, and it's the Astros and
Mariners comparison here could you be the Mariners here where
the comparisons all the time are made between the Chiefs
and the Astros. I know that the you know that
the Texans have made the playoffs the last couple of years,
they've won the division, so it's not that part of
the comparison, but it's a little bit of hey man,
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we really got to handle business against these guys because
we know they're not gonna lay down because they're fighting
for their playoff lives. But I mean, the Astros have
a chance, or excuse me, the Texans have a chance
to be what the Mariners were in that final series
here of Okay, look, you guys are on the ropes. Well,
we'll go ahead and put you off the ropes because
we're gonna put you on the mat.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Much like the Astro I mean yeah, much like the Astros.
The Kancity Chiefs are dealing with the slow of injuries
on both the offensive line, the wide receivers, core the
defensive line. This is not a healthy team that's rolling
on into Sunday night. And that may be a reason
why when we look back at the season, despite knowing
what Kansas City could have been, much like Houston, the
injuries derailed enough to where they weren't in the playoff
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patrol together.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
And that's very much a possibility.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
But again, for me, what this really comes down to
is you never won in Arrowhead in the Demico Ryants era.
You've never won with CJ. Stroud in Arrowhead and the
Deminico Ryan's era. You struggle to be able to go
toe to toe with teams that are viewed as potentially
the number one roster in the AFC in the Demico
Ryans era. And yeah, you're six and six, But I'll
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continue to say this until I'm blue in the face.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Guys, they have the secret weapon.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
They got a three time MVP and a three time
Super Bowl champion at the starting quarterback that just needs
two minutes to turn a drive from being oh my god,
we're about ready to lose to how the hell are
we surviving every single week they did all last season.
The scriptwriter said, hey, let's give them a win over Denver.
Let's give them a win over Los Angeles despite trailing
all the way up to the fourth quarter. Josh Allen
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had the perfect game a few years ago and said, hey,
thirteen seconds still too much time for drobt for Patrick Mahomes.
That's what you have there. So the entire enigma about
who you are as a franchise is going to be
very much on display Sunday Night. And also you're the
primetime standalone game, so everyone's gonna be paying attention to
what you were doing alongside Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Well.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
C J.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Stroud obviously gonna be somebody that can factor very much
in the Texans hopefully winning Sunday Night in at Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Not so great last.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Week, but when we expect better this week. We're gonna
let you hear what the quarterback has to say about that.
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Speaker 2 (32:52):
You know, they made some of the moves at the deadline,
and you're kind of like, it seems like you're shuffling
the chairs here, uh Jerry, Like it doesn't really seem
like there's gonna be much that helps you out here.
But no, it's looking like especially too with the way
that they're playing lately. You beat the Eagles, you win
last week, and now a chance, I mean, you get
to win the night. Then Cowboys are firmly in the
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in the wildcard picture in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
They are congratulations to Dak Prescott and Brian Schottenheimer and
the newcomers that came on into the building, and George
Pickens and and Ceedee Lamb and this offensive line and
literally anybody else besides Jerry Jones's gonna take full credit
on how this team was able to respond and get
it all together.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
And he was the smartest man in the room.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And firing Mike McCarthy was always my idea and making
sure that I was going to make the right higher
That was all on me, because that's what.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Jerry Jones does.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
He can only go ahead and take credit for when
things are actually going his way. He can never take
criticism for when things are actually going wrong. But how
congratulates Jerry. I hope, I hope the Detroit Lions beat
the living breaks out of you, so that way you
can take some accountability for sucking so much.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
All right? CJ. Stroud was I guess we could say
he was good.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He wasn't great In his most recent start since coming
back from the concussion, missing the last three games yes
twenty two to thirty five. An interception two hundred and
seventy six yards, so it was fine. But even I
mean by his own admission after the game, knocking off
a little bit of rust CJ. Meaning with the media
yesterday over at an RG and talking about this game
against the Chiefs, talking about trying to build off that
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last performance all around.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
All those things you want to clean up. So just communication, execution,
you know, all the little things, full work, you know,
ball placement, all this can you know, tweak things to
get better, so you know, just get better as weeks
go on.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
All right, So two things right there that you know
we have we obviously know, two prime examples of what
he's talking about, the communication, the motion, penalties, the illegal formations,
things like that, where it's just like, come on, man,
like this is year three.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
These things are still happening with you.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I mean, they'll happen from time to time, but I mean,
I think you know, we go back to I can't
remember what game it was, it might have been Tennessee
last year, where you had the illegal motion, two guys
in motion towards the snap as the ball was being snapped,
and it took away a massive game, maybe even a
touchdown at that point. But it was something that it
kept him from winning the game, and you're just kind
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of like, all right, year two, that shouldn't be happening.
Then the footwork part of it, where I mean he
was damn near three yards in front where he threw
the ball down the field of the line of scrimmage,
where you're just kind of like, how does that happen?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, the prestat penalties is not just on him, it's
on the offensive line in general. So I mean, you
can't have ownership if you're CJ and Titus Howard jumps early.
You can't take the ownership and the accountability of Juice
Scruggs wants to go ahead and make a quick little move,
or if Blake Fisher doesn't report himself.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
As eligible, that's on them.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
The things that I wonder about is CJ had a game,
had a couple throws if you look back in the
second and third quarter where it felt like that he
was just a hair. I think that's what he means
by stepping stones. We're talking about a guy who added
completion percent around sixty two point nine percent and two
hundred and seventy six yards. He overshot Nico Collins twice
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on deep balls downfield. It's little things like that that
would have led to us talking about you with a
sixty seven percent completion rating, three hundred and forty five
yards and two touchdown passes. Those are the things that
we got to see and work on a little bit more.
And again, I said this on Monday, I'll say it again.
I don't really care. First game back in almost a month.
I don't expect you to be perfect. I don't expect
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you to be the reason why your team is now
going and winning multiple drives and figuring out how to
be able to put up thirty. I'm not expecting that.
What I am expecting is that you are putting the
ball in the right placement to be able to continue
moving drives downfield. And for the most part, there were
some prominent throws. There also were some really really, oh
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my god, we have a moment. It feels like Nick
Cayley's play design looks fantastic. It feels like that everything
is being put together. Everything looks like it's humming. And
because of an air at pass, because of an overshot,
because of a pressure that you're waiting to have the
defensive lineman coming to your face to make the play,
you're now costing your team points phrasing. I know I
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heard it, phrasing you roll with the punches, Damn Matthews, just.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Go buy it.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, I mean I adult act like it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Well, I mean, I'm not even sure I know what
you're talking about on either front, but I think I think, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Boy, we're just rolling right into him this morning, aren't we?
Six fifty four Tripoli? Remember that?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But I think that you know, from from CJ's perspective,
it is a little bit alarming, and it is a
little bit concerning where again, it's your three, Like, you know,
you're you're supposed to see a pretty precipitous you know,
jump from year one the year two, and I think
we saw a little bit of a leveling out last year.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Like, is there a little bit of a.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Concern with you that this is kind of continuing into
year three? And I get it, it's this first game
back in three weeks, but still, I mean, it's not
like you can just discount it. Cole.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Are you asking me, is the concern that he will
never get back to what he did is r key year?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yes, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
But at the same time I thought it was malpracticed
by Houston people. I thought was malpracticed by the national media.
I thought that it was definitely a red herring that
everyone puts CJ. Shroud at the number six quarterback in
the NFL after Hurky season, or the number seven quarterback,
and that guy can't it can be a can't miss
you have one data point of a year. Like I
personally understand what people said. I've used CJ. Stroud closer
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to Jared Goff and Dak Prescott than to Josh Allen,
b Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. And you know what,
you can win with the guy in Dak Prescott. You
can win with the Jared Goff. You can win with
the quarterback like CJ. Stroud, the difference between the two.
You got to be able to have a great supporting cast,
and a great supporting cast isn't just in terms of
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wide receivers. It's having an a leak defense that's been able
to bail you out of trouble. It's having an offensive
line that's going to keep you upright, and it's having
a play caller that's gonna put you in a position
to where you know that you're only going to see
continuous growth, and I do think that some of those
things are there, But then you also gotta worry about
the mental mistakes.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I mean, like WEX brought this up. I'll say it again.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
One of the two sacks that was given up last
week is not on the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
That was on CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
That was on him stepping into the pocket and waiting
for something to unveil downfield. And that's something that we're
now I'm worried about because we're going into year three,
We're going into thirty starts, and he hasn't changed that much.
He hasn't changed about his game plan, and that's something
that can be very dire towards him finding a way
to be able to stay healthy for a full season.
Because also remember Dan, this is not the first time
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that he misses as miss games in a career.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
You know what he all in, you know, talking about
him taking sacks.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
You know what it almost reminds me of is us
getting upset with Jiner for stop swinging at that pitch.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Stop swinging at it. With CJ.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's him darting back about ten yards and then taking
a sack. It's like, stop going backwards like you know
what it was. Stop if you're going if you're going
to get sacked, get sacked laterally, stop doing it.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
You know what was really pissed me off back in
the time when we had a quarterback here who now,
who's gotten clear to enter a twenty one day window,
even though he's never playing football again. Everyone blamed the
offensive line. Everyone would say it's the offensive line's fault.
They're not able to keep him upright. If you look
back at some of the numbers in those games, the
negative yes, yeah, sack yardages is because of what he
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was doing, and it's eerily similar to what CJ's doing,
where it could be for a loss of fourteen yards
on the entire afternoon, it's a loss of forty four
yards because of how far he's moving back and you're
going back eleven, you're going back to eleven, you're going
back fourteen, you going back eight, you're going back seven.
It's a problem. It is a massive problem that needs
to be fixed.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Well, maybe for the Texans defense on Sunday, there could
be blood in the water.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
What exactly could that blood be from?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
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Last night won twenty one ninety five winners over the
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Speaker 4 (41:51):
Are going to get the Suns in town tomorrow night.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Dylan Brooks and companies, So I'm sure that dB will
be up to his usual high jinks against the which
will be fun. And I'm sure that probably unlike the
last time I think he got booed when he went
back to Memphis, I don't think he's gonna get booed.
I think that Dylan was very well thought of here,
so he's probably got that working for him.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
He gave Katie and Neil. I think that's already a
pretty big positive. Hey, thanks for leaving the team so
we can land a future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, I appreciate it bud all right.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
So the Texan justay is they went through practice, had
a handful of guys who did not participate. Will Anderson
Junior with a chest and shouldered, Deniko Autry which he's
been a usual Wednesday absence, Kamari Lasta with a foot
what he marks with an ankle, Jalen Reid with the forearm,
although it looks like, you know, we're waiting to see
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if he's going to be out for the long term.
Tim Settle Junior with the foot, and those are in
asis Al Shaier with limited participation. All good though for
the most part, because Demiko ryans afterwards in the press
conference saying, you know, see how the week goes, but
we those guys be fine. So for the most part,
that's going to be the case. But it's not necessarily
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the case for Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City, full participant yesterday,
but a knee after recently being on the injury report
with a groin injury. So Cole, as I mentioned, it's
Texans defense, there are a bunch of sharks right now.
I mean you are jaws. You are on the boat
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with Quint, You're throwing hum in the water and all
of a sudden, Josh just sticks his head out of
the water, and you're like, you know, Roy Hobbs is like,
oh my god, what the hell just happened.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I think they're more like Piranha three D. Just throw
something in their way and just set them alive.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Boy, I'll tell you what. That would be an awful
way to go. Have you ever seen that movie?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I haven't, and I can only imagine, you know, because
piranhas I would say that, you know, of all the
things to be worried about. And there was a buddy
of mine that we had this conversation years ago where
he was like, I'm willing to go into the ocean.
I know my opponents. I'm not willing to go in
the lakes and rivers because I don't know my opponent.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
I don't really I'm completely opposite on that one, dude.
I am full on opposite. You will never catch me
in the ocean. You can catch me going down to
wherever any single weekend. I'll be condemned.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I mean I I can see it from both ways.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
But like, one of my biggest fears of the way
to go is like whenever you know, having an intercontinental
flight and you have to go over the ocean as
I'm like, we went down right now, nobody would get us. Yeah,
you know you're done, You're done fishing. I mean this
is this is like, this is the way that I
would go Mission Malaysian Flight three nineteen.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
You want to go No, No, I don't. I don't
want it that way. I mean why.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
You probably aliens at that point. Well, I mean, look
if if you know, if life changes there. But regardless
with Patrick Mahomes, you know where like I said, I mean,
he's got the groin, he's got the knee, he's clearly
not healthy. I mean, I know he's going through practice,
and I think that this guy is trying to will
this team as much as possible. Again, another Astros Chiefs
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comparison like his, is he the jose al Twov right
now where you found out that al twove this year
and in twenty eighteen was a little banged up at
the end of the season, that it's for him. He
realizes we've got no shot without me, We've got somewhat
of a shot with me. Oh grin and Barrett's and
if that's the case, and you've got a somewhat hobbled
Patrick Mahomes. This defense has to be just has to
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be loaded for Sunday.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Noah, both defense well, I mean, let's look at it
from both sides. You know, both defenses need to be
able to show on up because you need to get
the ball back to Mahomes in short field territory against CJ.
Stroud in this offensive line. But on the flip side, yeah,
if you're Houston, you're feasting like you're salving at the lips.
You're about ready to go into the buffet. And you
know that right now there is prime rid that is
very thin, that is at the end of the table.
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You want to push your way past. Everybody, move out
of the way. Grandma, Hey Timmy, don't I don't care,
you're five. Who cares about you? You can have it later
on in life. You are feasting to get to Patrick Mahomes.
That is the entire premise of this game. But I
will also say it's not that you need Patrick Homes
to be elite in this matchup for you don't win
because if they still have a very good defense, it's
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not an elite defense when it comes to passers, but
they're still creating plays, they're still holding teams out of
the red zone.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
They're forcing a lot of field goals.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
You aren't wrong on the standpoint of much like nos
Al tub you don't have a quarterback, you don't have
a shot. I mean, who's back at quarterback right now
out in Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
Well, I'm on the spot. I gotta look that up.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, Mark, so you're not part of the research team.
It's okay, No, I mean, yeah, that's just the thing.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
You did what like what a buddy of mine in
the industry, All right, Well, so there you go. I
mean he said, what's what's the line in the game?
I'm like, how about like lead me into it a
little bit before you ask me that question. It's okay,
it's all right, it's fine, just projecting a little bit.
It's not your fault. Coal, seems like it is my fault.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
No, it's morning. It's not. You were the projection, you
were not the target.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
So again, Gardner, Minshew, do you think that he can
lead you down the stretch even if you were to
win this game? Because Mahomes gets hurt to victories over
the Chargers, the Titans, the Broncos, and the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
So got one.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
He's a guy I mean he's a guy with starting experience.
I mean, and he's a guy look in fairness, a
couple of years ago, damn Near led the Colts to
the playoffs. I mean when he took over, you're thinking
to yourself, back of the quarterback?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I mean almost to the point where the Colts were like,
do we bring this guy back? Because I mean, you know,
we don't know just how good Anthony Richardson can be,
because I mean we haven't seen him. We saw him
for a game and a half and then I mean
you saw pretty quickly that Indianapolis afterwards was like.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Oh, well, you know, not so sure about this guy. So,
I mean, he's not a pushover.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
But at the same time, though it is a backup
quarterback going up against the best defense in the league.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
But at the same time, look at what happened with
Garner Mins. She left Shane s.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Dyden's offense. He went over to Las Vegas and immediately
was benched because of he was so terrible. Now he's
a backup quarterback for the Kansa Chiefs because of they
don't want him in the starting lineup.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Like again, if you were to say let's say you
had the three game stretch with Houston where CJ.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Shauw gets knocked on.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Now, who are you taking, Garner Minshew or Davis Mills.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Uh, that's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
I don't think so I'm taking Davis.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
And I love Minshew mania, I love the long hair,
I love what he was at Washington State, I love
the Mike Leach got homage all the time. But I'm
telling you from the standpoint of what I'm gonna get
and what I know I need to win, Davis Mills
gives me a better shot.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
We also know though too.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I mean it takes a lot to get Mahomes out
of a game because I mean remember a couple of
years ago, rolls the ankle, dealing with the ankle all
throughout the Super Bowl run, and I mean, just you know,
somebody that is a gamer, he will not come off
the field.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
So he's not the only one that's a little banked up.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
George carloftis one of the top pass rushers for the Chiefs.
I mean, you know you say top pass rusher. We
had Carrington Harrison on with us yesterday and he even
pointed out they haven't had a sack in weeks.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, it's they're the number twenty nineteen in the last
month when it comes to sacks.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And it sucked to be a fan of a team
that is in that category where you're just like, yeah,
you know, hey, if we can get the quarterback off
the spot, because then you know, the questions come to
the head coach all the time about you know, uh,
you know, why aren't you guys getting this? Oh, well, sacks,
you know, they're a little bit of an overrated stat.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
No they're not. I mean it's a lot like home runs.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
A home run with runners on base counts for that
many runners on base, Like I would say that, you know,
you're the one that's kind of underscoring it here, like, yes,
they do matter. I mean does Texans defense case in
point two of the top sack guys in the league
are on your defense? And how good is this defense
really good? And what are they doing they're sacking the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yes, it is an overrated stat, but I mean it
is a stat that is important. But at the same time,
what I look at is pressure rate is the more
important stat because let me explain, if you're able to
still force a turnover when it comes to great pressure
off the line of scrimmage, and you have a secondary
that is filled with guys like Jalen Peatree and Derek
Stingley Junior and Kamari Lasser. I much rarely know getting
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football at that standpoint midfield because of I know that
we pressured the quarterback into throwing into double coverage then
just to get the sack. And I'll be third and
sixteen and let's say he converts on the twenty eight
yard strike downfield next play.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Well, I mean, you know, the Texans again, I mean
with their own injury issues, but Isaiah Pacheco also you know,
full participant yesterday with the knee and Raychie Rice with
a hamstring.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
I mean, that's the one to keep an eye on
right there, cold weather game. Right here, You're.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Dealing with a little bit of a tweaked hamstring, and
you're a guy that's so important to this colt or
this Chiefs offense that I mean again, you know, it's
one of those things that the Texans are saying and
doing the right things about trying to not you know,
look past the Chiefs, because I don't think there's any
reason to look past this team whatsoever. You win and
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you move on to the next game. But you know,
at least nothing else the rat poisons their coal. It's
it's readily available if the Texans want to try to
eat at it.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
I mean, I'm very glad that you're starting to use
Lane Kiffin's nonon drums when it comes to your die.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
That's a Nick Saban thing. Everybody gets it from Nick Sable. Well,
now it's gonna be laying because he's the one that's
ever noticed that anybody that's ever coached with Nick Saban,
they soon enough start to talk like him exactly and
doing the eyes in the in the in the podium
taps and all of that. And the funny thing is
is he never coached with them, But I mean he
played at the program that Nick Saban made his bones at.
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Tomiko Ryan's talks a lot like Nick Saban.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
He says rat poison on one too many occasions. I'll
go with you.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
You know what else happens in a cold weather game?
Got trust your Rushian attack? Which rush attack you trust more?
Speaker 10 (51:32):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (51:32):
What he marks?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
And Nick Chubb or Isaiah Pacheco and Brashad Smith, Kareem Hunt,
Damian Pierce making his debut for the for the Kansay Chiefs,
and what would this be like the third game he's
played this year.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I mean, it's a it's it's a fair point to
make because I mean, you know, the Texans rushing attack
has been okay at times. It's not been great whatsoever
in the overall product, but I mean, same deal. I mean,
Pachecko has been banged up, and I mean you've got
a decent amount out of Kareem Hunt. But still, I mean,
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you know, this is kind of a little bit of
how much out of the Orange can Andy Reid tried
to squeeze out on Sunday night, because it seems like
right now that's what the Chiefs are having to do
as a posted at Texans. All right, let's get into
a little bit of college football, because this local area coach,
well he might have a feather in his cap, but
he also is still having to sing for his supper.
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Space City Home Network. All right, a little bit of
college football here. Mike Elco, head coach at Texas A
and m is did you see yesterday that he had
to explain himself with the can we plays close the door?
(54:52):
Can we run a professional press conference? I mean I
heard him say it. It was only on the door
being wide open.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
It was only just on the fact that we weren't
running a professional press conference.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Nothing else to do with it.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Why even address it then, Like it's just like, if
you're going to address it, just say, hey, look, you know,
should have handled myself a little bit better. I mean,
he's frustrated, he's annoyed.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
I always allow for human moments, like I always love
when people are you know, he's got to be better.
I'm like, okay, fine, but it's like, when have you
never not lost your head about something like it happens
to me on a daily baseball.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
My favorite part about that the most he said, and
then social media with you guys talking about it, the guest.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
You guys being the reason why it went so I
overreacted exactly, all right, you know what I amend what
I said, like just good lord, Like, okay, there's there's
nothing there's there is nothing to me that will turn
me off more than especially from football. It is the
biggest dog whistle thing possible with football coaches the you
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guys thing, you guys, and then when you guys are
out of a job, who are you calling for jobs?
Speaker 10 (56:01):
Not you?
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I can definitely tell him more often than not, they're
calling us, Yes they are me.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
Yeah, Hey, you know how do I get in the media? Oh?
Oh oh, now you want to be a part of it? Okay?
I mean Jim O.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Fisher does a great job of being able to tell
a story online for fifteen minutes and never get to
the actual point.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Well, I mean act, he's case in point. He's one
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
What I will say, I will give credit like a
guy like Mac Brown. He talked about when he came
back to UNC, he was like, being in the media
was beneficial for me. Like now I handled them a
lot differently because I'm like, oh, okay, that's how the
job is actually done.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
That's all who I actually do, missing the media, But
I'm really glad it's back coaching Stan Bullen. I thought
Dan was a perfect blend of being able to understand.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
I never thought he'd come back. I thought he was
that good. I thought it was that good exactly.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
And like the fact that he's at UNLV and he's
gonna have an opportunity to in year one winning Mountain
West title is really good.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
But I agree with you, like he was.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
One dude who you could tell he was snarky with
the media when he didn't like a question, But now
he has an appreciateiation.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
Of what we do. But okay for the Macaco thing though.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
The problem that I have, and this is a problem
that is just normal in the world of college football
because of visiting teams in their areas, they put you
in a broom closet, and they put you in a
broom closet, usually on the home side, and when you're
trying to get done with the press conference and you're
trying to wrap things up because if you had such
an embarrassing loss and you cost yourself an undefeated season
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and a trip.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
To Atlanta, they want to get in and get out.
So the problem when you.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
Look at Texas visiting press conference room, it's right underneath
the stairs, like in the middle of the presser, you're
already hearing fans just screaming their heads off for.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Beating you and beating you to oblivion. And then you
can leave a door on open and.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
It comes even in louder Man Mark, if I don't
you know properly have you credited here? I think it
was Mark Passwaters for Aggie Yell, who had talked about
a huge reason for that was because of all the
commotion on the field. Because usually at a college football game,
they'll let you go down to the field with five
minutes left to go in the game, so you're watching
the final, you know, three and a half minutes from
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the sidelines, just you know, however long it takes you
get down there. And then if there's a field rush,
it's going to take even longer fee to get off
the field because you're avoiding, you know, a wave of
people and trying to get around them. And then again yeah,
I mean you're trying to get to a room where
for the most part, teams when they're on the road,
everything is going to be sped up. Like college football,
it's a little bit different. There is no open locker
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room or anything like that. You get a handful of
players that are made available, you go around to them,
stick your microphone in there for about two or three minutes,
go to the next guy, like that's that's how it
goes there. So he pointed that out about that the
door kept swinging open because I mean you had people
who were.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
Yeah, it just was who were showing up there. And
of course, I mean, you know, A and M.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Usually they give you about ten minutes because they tell
you a ten minute cooling.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
Off period, you know, and then you get in there
for the room.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
So I mean, that's that's not where we're going here
with Elco one positive and one where you're singing for
his supper the po positive here. Well, I mean, I
guess Aggie fans won't necessarily look at it as such.
So yesterday we get the news that Colin Klein is
likely going to be the head coach at Kansas State.
Chris Chris Clin is going to retire former Kansas State
quarterback former Houston Texan too, Colin Klein. I forgot that
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he played here. Yes, he did play here. I want
to say he moved a tight end while he was
here too. Maybe that was Jeff Driscoll, but regardless, No,
just go saw some reps the tight end when he
was here, So I do remember that. So Kline, the
OC at Texas A and M likely going to get
a head coaching job. And you would think that's a
bad thing, but Elco actually says, no, it's actually a
good thing.
Speaker 11 (59:36):
I think when you hire really good people, opportunities like
that will come. You appreciate that people want to stay
part of your program until the next big opportunity for
them comes. If we're doing this right, it will be
a piece of it. No different than losing players to
the NFL. You'll lose coaches. You'll lose position coaches to
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become coordinators, You'll lose coordinators to become head coaches. I
think what you're trying to avoid at all costs is
losing really valued assistance to go be assistants at other programs. Right,
And that's that's not this case.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So I mean the last part, right, there is something
that with Elco's extension, he had talked about, you know,
trying to improve the you know, payments you know for
assistance and trying to improve that pool to be able
to keep guys around because that is we you know
where that can creep in is you know you got
a receivers coach, Well, Alabama is willing to pay me
five hundred thousand dollars more. Well we can't match that,
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all right, See you that's what he's trying to avoid.
But it is a good thing whenever you're getting your
staff poached, because it shows that you've put together a
really good coaching staff and people are impressed with what
you're doing. Now here's where things can kind of unravel.
Is the reason why Nick Saban was so good for
as long as he was. He was not only good
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at being able to replace good coaches that left and
went somewhere else, he was so good at being able
to identify the next guy. Yeah, and that's the charge
now for Mike Elko, especially offensively.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
You've got to be able to identify the next guy
pretty quickly. Okay, couple things not to push back entirely.
Conkline phenomenal year led a and m to an elevendon
one season, help Marcelrey become one of the better quarterbacks
in the SEC. Totally want to give credit recreds due.
Is he a candidate for any other job if it's
not his alma mater calling him?
Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
I mean, wasn't their thoughts that USF was a possibility
for him?
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I heard Oklahoma State and that was about it. Like
that was the only name that I heard him get
but LinkedIn Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I didn't hear his name much anywhere. I mean, God,
Penn State. At this point, would it have hurt to
be able to give him a call?
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I mean, they seriously are giving Terry Smith a call, which, again,
that's more power to you, I guess, Pat Craft. I mean,
you're already out the door, so you might as well
as go ahead and let the boosters take on over
that coaching search. But on the flip side of the
other thing is the thing about Nick Saban that was
brought up all the time is that he told assistance,
don't be like me, don't try to emulate what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Legacy. It was always the parting words.
Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
But the problem was is that the schools hired you
to be like Nick Saban, and so it ended up
costing multiple really good coaches jobs and opportunities elsewhere, because
if they were told, we're not hiring you because we
like you, We're hiring you because we like the model
that was trying to be emulated, out least you're bringing
Nick Saban to it. And so like, the thing that
I look at when it comes to Colin Kline is
that Conkline needs to be able to whenever he leaves
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Colleins Station, go to Manhattan, not be like Mike Olco.
Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
And the other thing that you got to be able
to do is you got.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
To be able to bring in I think, really good
overall coordinators that have their own imaging that allows them
to kind of stand off and the last guy and
see what works.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
And what doesn't.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I mean, I think, you know the difference with the
you know, offensive minded defensive minded. Obviously I'll go a
defensive minded guy, but no, I mean that that next
part is key too. I mean, how good are you
are at identifying other coaches because I mean, you know,
we've seen coaches takeover programs and you think like, oh, hey,
great coaching staff, and then it's you know, the OS
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he doesn't work out, the DC doesn't work out, or
vice versa, where I mean, you know, you make some
hires and you're like, man, this guy, this guy's pretty good.
I mean, that's that is every bit of the evaluation,
as much as players are, is being able to identify
good coaches.
Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Have you heard who the boosters out in College Station
want to hire as Colin Clin's replacement?
Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
He lives here in the city. Is that at RG Stadium.
Oh Ji Johnson as the number one candidate, boosters had
their way and be.
Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Happy for him if he did.
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
I would be happy for him if he left, but
I also think that he is meant to be in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I'll never forget where Jarrad Johnson got his coaching start
at too, the greatest high school in the city of Houston.
Men of Saint Thomas stand for all to see, honor,
truth and understanding. Our motto will always be that's.
Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
A cool story that you know your fight song and
you know your motto. Dude, of course, I know I
have no idea what mine is. I don't really care either.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Oh I could recite at all, and I have before
and maybe again, especially too for the Jesuits and in
Saint Pius listeners we have out there.
Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
I know you're out there.
Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Do you want to see GERA Johns because again, I'm
in the camp of I would like to see Gerard
Johnson get an opportunity to finally be able to call plays.
Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Are you okay with him leaving if he goes back
to his Alma manor sure? Absolutely you are.
Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
What if Nick Kayley were to get a job off
or elsewhere and you could have an opportunity to hire
him to.
Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Be well, then you're in the same boat that you
were two years ago, and just go now. I mean
that is a valid concern because hiring replacements has not
necessarily been.
Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
A swing in a it has not been a swing
in success. And for the Texans in the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Man not a lot of hard contact there, so who knows,
maybe maybe you can run into one now. All right,
So we'll continue with Mike Elko because now he's having
to sing for his supper, so we'll have that for you.
And then also too, it's reasons like this of why
this sport is the best and I'll explain right here
as we continue. As it is the Morning Drive with
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very excited for UNT versus too late.
Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Well, I mean it's college football and it's got a
lot on the line, so yeah, I think people will
probably be watching.
Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
All right, seven ninety what was the question of the day?
Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, the question of the day, So a little tardy
on it, but uh, the song that gets you going
in the morning at Sports Talk seven ninety is how
you can weigh in there with that. So the song
that gets you going every single morning? A plot to
mom the Panhandle by a day to remember. See, I
thought you were gonna say Kickstart my Heart by Motley Crew.
That's why I referred too. That's why I defer to Incubus.
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Wish you were here.
Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
I'm not gonna lie. That's actually my top three is
Kickstart my Heart.
Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
I remember when we were flowing around ideas of how
we're going to start the show, and I was very
excited when that got brought up.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, I would have been fed very much enjoy kicks off.
I had also said rush working Man. Okay, it would
have been a possible.
Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
The problem is whatever I think of Kickstart my Heart. Though,
the first thing goes through is Ricky Bobby. That is
the very first thing I think of.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
But he's in the whole the whole crew, the pit crew,
everybody doing their little line after they win.
Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
It is fair well well for stars.
Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Also Leslie bib going, Hey, drive or drive these plays
be eighteen.
Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
It's a great show, great movie. Is that in his
top three? Yeah? Okay, his top three, it's one of it.
It's one of his that gets better with time.
Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Like you know, Anchorman immediately hit old School, even though
he wasn't the lead. It immediately hits and then uh yeah,
step Brothers in in in Talladega Nights. I would say
that's where time went on, and here's here's the ultimate.
As time goes along, you find it funnier and funnier
the other guys with Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Okay, but I think Walburg carries the movie. That's the problem,
little pickcock.
Speaker 12 (01:07:35):
You know, let me flying.
Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
No, you know who carries the movie? Underrated? Michael Keaton. Michael, actually,
right there you go. Don't go chasing waterfalls?
Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Are you.
Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Intentionally doing this? Them guys have never even heard of them.
Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
All right, let's get back to Mike Eelko, because well,
I didn't even think that this was a thing, Like,
you know, I knew that you know, people had a plan,
you know, an issue with the Aggie's schedule this year.
But Elko was talking about the possibility of A and
M not getting a home game during the playoff, which
again I didn't even know was a thing. And he again,
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you know, if you want to say this is gaslighting,
you can you know he took his blame somewhere else.
Speaker 11 (01:08:17):
I think we are all screaming for some clarity, Like
and I've said this all the way through the season
of what exactly is the criteria that we're utilizing to
break ties. And I don't know that anybody has a
real firm understanding of what that actually is. And so
you know, for us to have a higher strength of
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schedule and a higher strength of record than a lot
of the teams that share the same record as.
Speaker 9 (01:08:44):
US, I don't understand.
Speaker 11 (01:08:47):
Now, at the end of the day, we'll put a
ball down and we'll go play, and it'll be what
it'll be.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
All right, there is number one.
Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
There is no planet where A and M is not
opening the first round of the college football Playoff anywhere
else but field.
Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
So now, aggie fans, chill out there.
Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
There is.
Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
How Okay, let me break it down for you real fast.
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
So let's say that BYU wins on Saturday over to
Texas Tech. Automatically, you have to give them a better
seating than Texas Tech because of the are a conference champion.
So you maybe don't put them at four, but you
put them at five. So A and M is at seven,
then you gotta move Texas Tech down to six.
Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
You got to move to A.
Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
You gotta move Oregon at some point, either up or
down almost would go to seven, and then that Alabama Georgia.
Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Let's say Alabama wins. Alabama has two of the best
wins in college football this year over the exact same team,
so on top of that, they also would have a
conference title, again the toughest of conference in college football
as the number one seed, so they would move into
the top four.
Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Georgia would go to five, Texas Tech would go to six.
Number seven would have to be BYU at sun capacity.
Number eight would be Ole Miss because they were ranked
ahead of them. Number nine be Texas A and M. Well,
I mean, but Oregon's in this the same boat you are,
as far as I'm concerned. They didn't play anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
They didn't play Ohio State, they didn't play any of
the tough schools that they needed to be.
Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
The commidee is going to live off of what they
constantly say, which is always going to be self inflicting
and more specifically condescending because of their idiots and morons
running the program out in grape Vine. They are saying
to you, if you don't play this weekend, we can't
penalize you. So Texas A and M is not being
is not playing this weekend. Therefore, they cannot be penalized
from where they are unless other teams that are playing
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have to move on up Ole miss isn't playing this weekend.
You can't just say, oh, well, now that we have
to actually care about home playoff games, we're going to
move them out. Oh again, Miami's not playing this weekend.
We can't penalize them. You can't panealize Oregon. You can't
panalize Oklahoma because if those teams aren't playing this weekend,
so you can reward Alabama and BYU if they were
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to win, which then creates an opportunity to move teams
down like a Texas A and M that's seven, that
can move two spots down to nine.
Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I think you're looking at the committee the wrong way.
They're not idiots, they're not morons. They're air again and
and for what the okay, so they're arrogant, but for
what Mike Yelko was just bringing up right there, there's
a reason it's vague. They don't owe you an explanation,
is at least what they're saying. This is very much
professional wrestling, where we're the ones that write the script.
Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Here, it's a TV show.
Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
We will put whoever we want to put in there,
and then you, if you're so outraged about it, are
not going to not watch it. You're going to watch.
So it's basically a little bit of hey, we've got
the upper hand here, we have hand.
Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
And we will use it. They have hand.
Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
But you also talked about it from this standpoint. Now,
I am a college football purist. I want the twelve
teams of what are going to be honored in there.
So when people are like, oh, we don't need North
Texas or we don't need James Madison, we know, well,
the rules say that you deserve to have at least
one G five team in there. Is it good for
the product? Probably not, But I'm okay with letting them
on in. Here's where you lose me when now you're
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saying we're letting multiple G five teams in and the
reward for playing a challenging conference schedule is they get
to go travel on to Athens and they get to
go travel out to Oxford, or they get to go
travel out to Autson Stadium and get their ass reamed
in because of what happened to that matchup, because their
facing off agains teams are actually good enough to win
a national title.
Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
That's the difference here, Dan. So you telling me that
like a.
Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Head to head doesn't matter, BS ahead to head doesn't matter,
Miami should be in over Notre Dame because not only
do they play a conference schedule, but they also won
a game. And if we're talking about data points and
we're talking about the final level of it, when you're
looking at strength of record, common opponents, wins and losses,
what does.
Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
It come down to head to heads?
Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
And the committee is saying to you, hmm, Golden Dome
is really pretty. The U is somewhat paid it pretty.
I want more pretty.
Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I'm sorry, But like when you're at this final step,
at some point, the head to heads and the.
Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Games on the field have to matter. And Miami is
the one that's absolutely getting hosed at the standpoint.
Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Well, I mean, if there's another of a resume point
to be able to stand on, they will. But I'm
telling you again, stadiums matter, and fan bases matter, eyes matter,
All of those things matter. So for a huge thing,
we're Miami. Guess what, don't show up with twenty thousand
fans at a game If that's the case, then fill
up your soul.
Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
We're gonna penalize them for going and playing at an
NFL stadium because they don't have one on campus.
Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Is that? Are we really gonna do that?
Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
When we see head to heads having a point at
some at some level in every other spot, Dan they
have respected they had to head in every other one,
Oklahoma is ahead of Alabama. Alabama is ten thousand times
better than Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Who's gonna bring more fans? Miami and Notre Dame. Miami
and Notre.
Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Dame both are gonna bring urburg go. We're gonna bring
a significant amount of fans depending on where the game
is at.
Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
You know what the answer is to that, it's Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
I also know that I saw a game played in
Week one where a Miami team was able to go
into their stadium and beat up on Notre Dame. And
when you have the same record, the same strength to schedule,
the same strength of record, this same amount of wins,
and usually the same amount of common opponents, and you
win by the same margin to victory, there's one data
point left. The one data point is who beat who
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in a head to head matchup. Miami did that Miami
belongs in over Notre Dame. This is not a hard
concept to understand, stand, Hunter, you're a check, but of
course you don't understand it. You want to make six
seven jokes and hire a dude that lost three of
his last four games as your next head coacher.
Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Plays Sam Pittman just saying, man, it's one of those
that the college football playoff more than any other. The
quiet part out loud is we don't have to owe
you an explanation, but we'll give you one and you'll
just have to deal with it. That's really how it's
gone for the four teams, the twelve teams, and it
will be the same for sixteen because this is never
going to stop.
Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Oh, it's going to go from sixteen and then the
seventeen team's going to be really pissed off, So go
to twenty four and then that twenty fifteen is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Really pissed off.
Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
You get seven to five teams who are and idiots
around the city that want to go ahead and say
it's good for college football to go ahead and have
a twenty fourteen playoff, will get their wish and then
the regular season won't matter.
Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Anymore. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I mean you've seen it happen in college in colleg basketball.
Brian and Parlane, we'll get you involved in the conversation.
Do you want to get into a little bit of
Astro's conversation because well, a very very shiny toy could
maybe be on the astros radar. Who exactly that is
we'll share with you as we close out the seven
o'clock Howard is the Morning Drive, Dan and Cole Sports
Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Page down. The Morning Drive continues. Now now here's Dann
and Cole.
Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Brian, good morning, Hey.
Speaker 13 (01:15:30):
Good morning, and Dani, you were right. Gerarid Johnson did
get his start at the finest education facility in the
city Houston by far. You will fight never dies, great spot,
he said, never never will No, that was the first
name I came into my mind when I heard Colin
Klan was taking the job. I said, Gerard, I think
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would be perfect for that. He gets the start as
an OC with a good group of guys that are
already there. There's still a good coallenged corp with Marcel,
and you'll have Jamari and Moro coming back next year,
and I think you'll still have a Mari Daniels. I
mean from a good running back class. He's got Bethel Roman,
so we'll have a good offensive group to work with,
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plus whatever they're able to pick up in the transfer portal.
So I think it'd be I would at least make
the ask if Colin Client does ultimately wind up leaving. Yeah,
apparently he was rumored to be taking the sf USF
job until apparently he came down late Monday. I think
I heard Billy Luci was talking on TexAgs that he
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was that it came out late Sunday or Monday that
Kleiman was supposed to be stepping down from Kansas State,
and so he kind of held off on that. But yeah,
I think when it comes to college football playoffs and
I'm calling the seventh and yeah, I agree there's a
possibility that may not host the game. I still think
they do, and I hope they do because I got my.
Speaker 8 (01:16:54):
Tickets for it.
Speaker 13 (01:16:55):
But I mean, Kyle Field will be rocking for that
if there.
Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Is a home game.
Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
But I think they have to.
Speaker 13 (01:17:02):
There has to be some type of parody in terms
of I mean, am got punished because they lost in
Week fourteen, not Week seven or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
It was that Oregon lost.
Speaker 13 (01:17:10):
I mean, they fell farther and they lost at home
to the number well they weren't number two at the time,
but not Indiana. So I think there needs to be
some way that this shakes out, that it's a little
bit more you know, common sense as to how these
teams get ranked, and that I mean, and it went
on the road and lost to a wasn't the greatest
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second half, but they lost to Texas, you know, on
the road. But you get penalized, could lose week fourteen
and not week whatever. And I know everybody saying, well
an them didn't play anybody in conference. Well, they don't
set their conference schedule.
Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
People don't.
Speaker 13 (01:17:45):
People don't think about that. The conference sets their schedule
when in conference. So they played, they played the teams
that the that the league putting on top of them.
But at the time, remember everybody who was there in
at home hard it was going to death Valley and win.
And they went in and won pretty convincingly. They're talking
about how good a Mott Hardy was, and Mott Hardy
did some things, but they went in Granton, Missouri didn't
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have this great a quarterback. They were going with their
third stringer, I think, or back up, and they went
and won pretty convincingly there. So they beat the teams
fairly handily. Other than the South Carolina win, the teams
that were supposed to beat. They won by a much
larger margin over Mississippi State than what Texas did. So
I mean not comparing a m's schedule to Texas, but
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when you're gonna sit there and say, well a them
didn't play any bye, well they played the same quality
of non cost did and they did what they were
supposed to do, and they played their premier non conference game.
They went to South Bend to win. So Texas can't say, well,
we lost the game. You were also the number one
team in the country. But so I think there has
to be something taken into account.
Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
The fact that.
Speaker 13 (01:18:52):
ANEM loses in Week fourteen on the road through their
rival's obviously going to be up for the game, trying
to make a case all four spots against somebody like
Old miss who didn't have a coach at the time.
So I don't know, I'd be curious to see how
they how they justify all this, And of course I
don't think we ever will, but I think twelve is
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more than enough, because if you're the thirteenth team, I
mean really, at that point, it's like the sixty fifteam.
Speaker 8 (01:19:19):
You're just wanting to get.
Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
In for the prestige.
Speaker 13 (01:19:22):
You don't awfully think at that point you're really gonna win.
Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
You know, you might win a game or.
Speaker 13 (01:19:27):
Two, but you're on one of the title. You want
in just to be in to get the extra money.
And I get it, you know, it's what it's not
at the end of the day. But good show, guys.
But yeah, I think Gerd Johnson would be a phenomenal
higher if Colin Plyde does ultimately leave to take that
Case State job.
Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Those guys, Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Brian.
Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
A couple things are want to say, number going Texas
fans out here who are complaining about why Texas A
and M is getting all this love and appreciation.
Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Last season, the exact same thing happened to you.
Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
You played against one really good team and a a
bunch of crappy teams in the conference, and we had
to say, welcome to the party. You're one of the
best in the SEC. So I'm not going to hear
any pity when it comes to that standpoint. A and
M fans have a reason. Now here's the reason why
tax A and M fell to number seven? Who did
Oregon Lucier Dan Indiana? Where are they rand Indiana?
Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Yeah? Who did?
Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (01:20:20):
I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Who did Ole Miss lose to?
Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
Ole Miss?
Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
Lost to George Georgia? Yeah? Where are they ranked? They're
number three? Both teams are going to go to the
college football playoff?
Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Who did tex A and M lose to? They lost Texas?
Are they going to the college football playoff?
Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
More than likely not? I rest my case.
Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
That is why tex A and M is at number
seven and the other two teams that are eleven to
one are ahead of them.
Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
All right, let's open to the eight o'clock cour with
that Astros point, because obviously the and M conversation carried over.
So who could that shiny new toy be? We'll unwrap
it here in the eight o'clock cow as we continue.
It is the Morning Try with Dan and Coles. Sports
Talk seven to ninety.
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Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
So looking forward to catching up with both of our
guests this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
A little bit of Astros here though, because well we
know that the starting pitcher that is added to this
offseason more than likely going to come from the trade front.
At least one is for the Astros, because yeah, it
does seem like that another one that could be making
a reunion with the Astros, although I haven't heard as
much about that lately, so maybe that's like later on
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you do you think he is going.
Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
To pitch the one more year?
Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Right? No?
Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I mean it sounds like he is, and it sounds
like there is an appetite to be able to bring
back Justin Verlander of courses who are talking about but
the trade side of it, the Astros could possibly be
in the market for a starting pitcher from Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
It's not the one I want, but still this is
a pretty good one. Okay. Well, who do we got
record to John Hayman, MLB insider, Hamen I'm not coming
on your show. It is unbelievable that you would do
this to me. That is still one of the best
interactions I've seen on radio. I love I just love
the host too.
Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Who is it?
Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
It was Keith McPherson, where he's just like, Okay, thank you,
I appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
I'm Joe Ryan is actually being rumored to the astros.
Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Now that that would move the needles, sir, that is
a number two. That's a guy that probably too, You're
going to get into contract negotiations with Hunter Brown and
it probably will even happen this offseason, and there is
at least a desire to.
Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Make that happen. Scott Boris even saying as much. Yeah,
well listen to him.
Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
So you got to wonder if maybe there's already been
preliminary conversations, but you had a guy like Joe Ryan,
because as currently constructed right now, I don't feel as
good with Christian Hobbier as the three or as the two.
I feel much better with him as the three because
does he have front of the line rotation type of stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Sure he does.
Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
But here's the problem you run into with Hobbyer at
times the pitch counts get high, the walks turn up,
and you're not able to get as many innings out
of him. You're getting maybe five out of him. If
he can really stretch it, maybe even get six. So
then that puts more strain on your bullpen. I need
somebody in the front of the rotation that can go
a little bit deeper in the games. Ryan is one
of those guys. Hunter Brown is one of those guys.
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I feel like that hobby here, you put him in
that three spot.
Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
It's kind of like what.
Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
We're talking about with Jabari Smith Junior some of the
other guys on the rockets where why are they having
much better offensive sea since because they're not being asked
to do as much, so the pressure is not as
much on them. I feel like Christian Hobbyer is that guy,
and Joe Ryan being a possibility boy. I'll tell you what,
all of a sudden, you start feeling really good about
this pitching staff.
Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Joe Ryan went thirteen to ten last year in one
hundred and seventy one innings pitch. He had a three
forty two ERA. He was six shive of two hundred strikeouts.
He was an All Star. He also had a pretty
good fip and a pretty good whip, give him for
two years underneath arbitration, so that at least gives you
club control. I think one of the main things that
you and I have talked about, and we've heard from
multiple people, is that the astros, if they're going to
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make a trade, they.
Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Want somebody who has club controlled.
Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
They don't want to do an option the way that
Sonny Gray was to where you turn his deal from
two years into one where if he wants to come
back in twenty twenty seventy, ken eat on for two years.
And the reason why that's really important is because if
you know that on a market that right now is
very dire of trying to land frontline pitching, they're going
to ask for a premium price. So you just don't
want to give away MU players and part of the
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key elements of your farm system to only have a
guy that's locked in for one year. I agree that
Joe Ryan is a very very good number two that
can fill in on certain days as the number one
in a rotation. What I wonder is, do you have
the farm system to move to get a guy like
Joe Ryan, or is Minnesota trying to do a soft
rebuild where they bring in some betteran talent. They say,
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we can just go add in some younger players that
we think are ready to make the jump to the
majors and all on the behold because we play in
the al Central where it does feel like we don't
know the sass of Trek scoobl with with Detroit, so
maybe they're going to take a step back. Chicago still
is a waste slam. Kansas City may not make a
lot of moves this softseason, we could actually put ourselves
in a pretty good spot to where if we add
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in a few pieces and maybe get some guys that
we're willing to move with the deadline and bringing on
these one year contracts, we're right back in the hunt
for a division title.
Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Well, I mean, and that's where I think Jake Myers
is kind of the you know, the center point of
this because there there is urgency to trade Jake Myers
because his value has never been higher the season that
he just had offensively, and you already know the value
that he's gonna bring you from a speed perspective, from
a defensive perspective, that's what he adds another one that's
kind of intriguing in all of this too, is that
(01:26:11):
supposedly there's interest in Hazu Sanchez.
Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Yeah, I heard about that, and that's probably a way
to where you can get this deal done with a
couple pictures. Let me ask you if you could, do
you try to package a deal with Haesu Sanchez because
the power to a team like Minnesota. Do you try
to get a guy defensively like Jake Myers?
Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
I mean, I think you try to get both, honestly
if you're Minnesota, because again, because I mean that's the
thing that you know, I think if you're Minnesota, you're
not necessarily in position where you're like, man, we just
we got to hit demolition to this thing and just
you know, restart this thing from the studs, because you
only have Cleveland, you only have jo Who Detroit.
Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
City, Detroit and Chica Kansas.
Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
City loosely, I mean, I think outside of Bobby Witch Junior,
who do you necessarily look at with Kansas City and
you say, oh, yeah, that's that's a team.
Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Vinny Past, Vinnie pas Quentino.
Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Michael Garcia, Oh for no, no, you know he's a
retread from Philadelphia that's been okay, He's been he's.
Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Been very good in Kansas City. But I will say
they are going to be I think aggressive in this
offseason Adams.
Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
But it's but it's not like that there is like
this herculean task of like trying to overtake them, because
like if they were in the if they were in
the American League East, then I'd get it. I'd understand it,
because then at that point you're trying to trudge through
four different teams. I mean, it's kind of like looking
at the Rays. Oh, hey, you know what the Ray's doing. Well,
they're doing what they always do. They're just building up
their team. And then all of a sudden, you're like,
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the hell are these guys and why are they leading
the AL East?
Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
And then they trade away all of their players that
are about to go into contract negotiation years, and then
they bring in young prosspects then.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Amazing prospects that you're just like, good wars, how do
they identify these guys?
Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
They're not amazing prospects.
Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
When they're traded, they're like the number five in the
system or they're like the number seven the system. But
then when they get to the majors, they absolutely hit
like that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
That's that's the issue with with trading with the Rays
is I mean, it seems like and the even a
Astros have been that team too. That Hey, if they're
asking about somebody, do a double check. Seriously, do a
triple check. Are they asking about this guy that single.
Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
A player that right now we're wondering what does he
provide for the organization?
Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Why are you asking about him?
Speaker 8 (01:28:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Oh wait, it's Jeron Alvarez two point zero like that,
Like that's fair. Teams that have been rumored to be
in the running for Joe Ryan the Mets, the Red Sox,
the Cubs, and the Asters at the top four. So
the Mets have a good farm system with pitching to
where they could easily let go of one of their
top two guys. I don't think they will let go
of Nolan McLean, but they can let go of Tongus
and they could send him on over in another deal
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with one of the younger players that they have. This
is now becomes your number two in the rotation for
a team that needs get better in starting pitching. Boston
already went out and added in Sunny Gray. Are they
going to add in another pitcher to the front end
of the rotation. Cubs are really interesting because I don't
know what the hell the Cubs are doing. I don't
know if the Cubs know what they're doing. So from
a standpoint of the suitor, it really is going to
come down to are you willing to part ways with
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certain prospects and maybe a proven player? Do they want
Jake Myers? Are they in on Christian Walker? Do they
view Haesu Sanchez as a reclamation project for them? What
are the things that they want to be able for
you to even enter this conversation and begin with, well.
Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I mean, and that's I think the conversation that you
have is because I mean, yeah, you you don't have
the prospect power that those other teams have, but at
least you've got major league ready guys that you can
dangle out there and then throw in somebody like that.
You know, I'm sure a Miguel you Lola is going
to be asked about. I mean, a guy that kind
of like I was talking about with Hobber, same deal,
swinging miss stuff. But it's also to the Walks are
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an issue with him, so well about I mean, and
that's and that's the thing too, is I mean you know,
who's to say that he doesn't, you know, kind of
to take the Octavio Dotel route of you know, being
a guy that was, you know, not so much as
a starter. But then you're like, well, but he's got
stuff and if we can get him in the zone,
then he can be a really good reliever. I mean,
maybe that's something. He's not a name that you're okay
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with moving off of. For Joe Ryan for two years
of control, I think because you do, you do feel
pretty good about the pitching, you know, strength that you
have in your farm system. So I mean, if he's
asked about, I don't think it's necessarily somebody you got
to ride off.
Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Now, Okay, if you could make one move right now
for Joe Ryan. Let's say that he's part of the deal.
Jake Myers and Hazu Sanchez. Which one are you get
rid of first?
Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Go, I have to just choose one.
Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Yeah, you have to just just just one because I
think there could be another trade package that comes with
the other one.
Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
It's it's definitely Jake Myers, just because I mean his
trade value has never been higher, and I think you
can maybe even if you keep Hayzu Sianchez. You could
develop a market for Jesus Sanchez if you feel like
you can make adjustments to him at the plate this year.
Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
So you think that because of Jesus Sanchez, what we
saw in Miami and what didn't work here, but still
the power, what he can do in that, what he
can do in the outfield, it's worthy of holding on
to him just a little bit longer to maybe move
somebody at the trade inline for Jake Myerson.
Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
I won't push back on that.
Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
I think again, when you're looking at Jake is that
this is a guy that is great defensively, who is
never going to be that power here that you once
envisioned to be. And you have a guy that's great
defensively that you know he's going to be a contacted
during Zach.
Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
Cole, let's talk some football.
Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
James Palmer co hosts of Scoop City on The Athletic
and also NFL Insider for Bleacher Report.
Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
He hops on with us next right here as.
Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
It is the Morning Drive, Dan and Cole, Dan Matthews,
Cole Thompson.
Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
This is the Morning Drive with Dann and Cole.
Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
James Palmer. James appreciate it, Buddy, good to hear from you. Again.
Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Let's just jump right into Sunday nights in Kansas City.
You've seen a lot of the Chiefs over the last
few years. Is this a situation where desperation can pull
them over or is this just a bad matchup with Houston.
Speaker 8 (01:31:47):
I never really used the term desperation with the Kansas
City Chiefs at any point. When you're quarterback, when the
statistics somehow at certain games they've had heart monitors on him,
and his heart is lower in clutch situations in the
postseason than it is during pregame. Desperation doesn't really you know,
coincide with the way the Chiefs play, but the record
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and what they have to do the rest of the
way out, they understand the situation they're in. I just
think it's a different feel in that building than it
has been before. They've had slower starts before, They've had
seasons where I've covered them, and I've been at games
where they're off to the most historically worst start in
yards per play allowed as a defense through two months
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of a season than anyone ever and then they, you know,
find a way second half of the year. That's usually
what's happened specifically on defense. But when I talk to
people there this season, it was never a panic, never
a desperation, but a different feel at times. And I
think that's for a few reasons, honestly, and it's the
ability to close out games with your defensive fronts has
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not been there like it's been in a year's past.
We can get into that, but they're just not as
deep there, and Chris Jones is playing more snaps and
it's impacting him. And at the same time, obviously they've
had some injuries, but you know, there's a variety of
things that have happened in the big moments, and we
know the swing of the one score games that has
dramatically changed. The one thing I could say has really
in their perception across the NFL. Talking to people, you know,
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over the last several weeks and cover their game in Denver,
the fear factor appears to be gone a little bit
late in games against them. You know, there was always
a thing and players wouldn't admit it publicly or on
the record, but when I talked to them, it would
be late in the game, it's close, Mames is going
to make a play. Chiefs are going to find a
way to win. That's just what happened. That thought process
isn't really there anymore right now with a lot of teams,
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and that to me is the biggest change James.
Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
When you look at the Texans going into this matchup,
their winners are the last four, but most of their
losses have come to playoff teams, whether it be Denver,
whether it be to Tampa, whether it be to even
Jacksonville on the road. What does a win mean for
Houston in the grand scheme of where they rank in
the packing order of what feels to be a wide
open AFC this year.
Speaker 8 (01:33:59):
Yeah, I mean I think it changes a lot. I mean,
like they're not in the position. I just put something
out on the Athletic this morning, like they're not in
the position to play spoiler right now with this game.
Like if you look at what happens when they win
this game, like if they do, they jump from a
sixty percent chance of making the postseason to an eighty
five percent chance. Like they're in the group. They're in
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an AFC that I think we have a lot of
questions about. And I think if you're going to make
a run, if you're a team like Houston, you're a
team that's sitting kind of on the outside looking in.
But job, if you have the best defense in football
and you have an offense that's kind of turning the
corner a little bit, this is the year to sneak in.
It really is because when you look at you know,
the I always joke about like the four Horsemen of
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the NFL, of four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and everybody
else's mind it's Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and Patrick
Mahomes and Joe Burrow. Well, those teams aren't what we're
used to seeing this year. And you look at the
AFC and it's like, all right, I don't have that
like once in a generation type quarterback I might have
to go through, right, So you're thinking, is a little
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bit different now the AFC. I think the entire group
has flaws from number one in New England through Denver
through Indy and everybody has these warts in a sense.
And I think if you are playing really good defense
and you can find ways to run the football late
in the season, this year is different than years pass
in the AFC. So I think if you beat Kansas
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City in Kansas City, you're definitely right in the mix,
seriously of making a run because the AFC landscape is
so different than what we're used to seeing over the
last several years.
Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
James Palmer joining us here on the Morning Drive with
Dan and Cole and speaking of CJ. Stroud, I mean
he even talked about it last week, James where knocking
off a little bit of rust but still decent enough
performance two hundred and seventy six yards.
Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Texans win this game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Are we talking more about what CJ did or about
what the defense was able to do?
Speaker 8 (01:35:57):
I'd probably say the defense. Honestly, that's the way this
team is built. I mentioned Denver earlier. It's probably a
little bit similar sense, and that's what you know, that's
how they beat the Chiefs. So that's there's a compient
and sense because there's been some up and down moments
of boat nicks in Denver, and but what was the
constant is the defense makes big plays in big moments.
And that's like I mentioned, that's usually what you see
from Kansas City. That's what happened in that Denver game.
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From Denver, they made big plays in big moments. And
I think obviously with you know, the way that that
Kansas City's banged up on the offensive line, and the
way that Houston gets after the pass rusher, and the
way that we've seen a different Patrick Mahomes. Guys this
year like this is his worst season under pressure, and
in terms of passer rating, touchdown interception ratio of his career,
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this is the worst season of his career. On third down.
Those are money plays, right, those are money situations, and
I think I see much more of Houston making those
plays in those moments and changing the course of the
game than maybe CJ does. I do think this offense
is turned a corner like I mentioned, and he has,
you know, the opportunity and I think against Kansas City
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have to make a player two when it really counts,
and it got to have a moment, and he obviously
has the ability to do that. I think Nick's done
a better job with this offense. I think talking to
people around the league, he's kind of put in their sense,
you know, CJ much more of a rhythm, which is
really really important for your quarterback. But I think, really,
if it comes down to it, I see with the
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way Mahomes has played in those things I mentioned, in
the way that Houston has played that we might see
a big defensive play changing the course of this game
than a play that CJ.
Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
Makes.
Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Many of people have brought this up in recent weeks,
and so I want to get your opinion on this.
Has the Houston Texans offensive line gone from being a
liability to a strength for the personnel not just in
the rushing attack, but whoever's lined up back there.
Speaker 10 (01:37:46):
CJ.
Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
Stroud, Davis Mills.
Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
It does feel like that they have more time than
in years pass to be able to connect down field
with their targets.
Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
Yeah, I think I.
Speaker 8 (01:37:54):
Think, you know, a personnel change in that certainly helps.
I mean, you know, when they started going to six
offensive linemen a little bit more. I mean in the
last four weeks, I think they do it almost at
a higher rate than anybody else in football. It's kind
of in vogue in the league right now. But it's
definitely made them run the football a little bit better.
It's protected the quarterback better, It's changes your play action game.
You know, this stuff takes a while to come and
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gel together. It certainly does. I know nobody in Houston
wanted to hear that or have the patience to allow
all of the changes that they did upfront to kind
of come to fruition. But you know, when you find
the right mix oftentimes, and you know, I've had this
conversation with some of the best offensive line coaches in football,
whether it's Dante Dante Scarnikia or you know, it's any
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of those guys, or you know, it's it's the group
as a whole is sometimes more valuable than maybe some
of the individual talent you have once you start getting
them playing together. And I think you've seen that when
they've gone into bigger personnel and I think you've seen
that and changing you know, the course of the run game,
and you know CJ doesn't have to sit there and
er it out. It was just like last year when
I would talk to people in Houston, it was, you know,
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if you have a week pl of your offensive line,
you can usually equate for that and you can usually
give extra help there. And the quarterback oftentimes knows that
the pressure is coming from there. Well, when he has
no clue which part of the offensive line is going
to break down on a given play, that's really difficult
on a quarterback. I just don't think that feeling that
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CJ had last year is the same one that he's
playing with right now.
Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
James.
Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Is this offensive line I mean, I know you just
touched on it there at the end, but is this
offensive line improved enough where you can maybe even start
to believe that, hey, they're kind of capable.
Speaker 8 (01:39:33):
Yeah, I totally think you can. And I think the
play calling plays a big part of that. I think
Nick has done a better job in terms of you know,
design and things like that. I think what you really
find out is can they get into the red zone
and can they score? That's massive and I think that
changes everything because they're what near the bottom of the league.
If I'm not mistaken as a red zone offense and
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third down those two things, if your offensive line can
help you be more balanced to make sure that you
can have the threat of being in third and manageable
and your offense works better on first and second down
to put you in that position, Yeah, I think they
can't be a serviceable enough offensive line with the amount
of talent they have at the skill positions that CJ
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has the ability to get the football out That's that's
really it. But I think what really needs to happen,
and I think I brought up earlier. You've got to
play it kind of similar to Denver, like make big
plays as an offense in big moments. When you've got
to make plays in the fourth quarter, you make them
and let your defense carry you through most of the game.
And you don't hurt your defense by giving them short fields,
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by giving them, you know, difficult situations to deal with.
You've got to play fine as an offense in the
AFC right now to get yourself into the postseason.
Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
From a standpoint from the great picture of the AFC
in general, it does feel like that with there being
so much openness that you don't really have that front runner.
New England's eleven and two to play in a fourth
place schedule, and they've also had the benefactor of having
a good quarterback with Drake Man Denver. Denver's been one
of the better defensive teams in the NFL. They come
back after comeback after come back from Boonix to be
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able to win. Who is the team right now that
you feel Houston matches up best with it? They were
to make it to the playoffs to where it does
feel like home away. They are adding enough on both
sides of the ball to where they should feel like
that they're coasting into the next round.
Speaker 8 (01:41:23):
M I don't know, that's a that's a good question.
I wouldn't want to play one of these star quarterbacks
like I would prefer to play Drake May. I would
prefer to play Bo Nicks. I wouldn't want to go
to Foxborough. I think that's going to change the landscape
of the AFC if New England gets the number one
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seed and teams have to go into Foxborough in December.
I know I've covered games when I was working in
Houston going there in the postseason. It's it's just it's
just such a favorable matchup for New England and how
they match up. I think if you have some of
these quarterbacks that play up and down, whether it's say
you match up against Daniel Jones or help sticking with
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the division honestly, in Trevor Lawrence, like I would fear
like I would fear Lamar getting in, which there's there's
a decent chance he's playing terrible right now. But like
the herculean performance against your strength, right that's what you
don't really want to match up with because that's the
strength of your team, and there are very few people
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that could pick it apart. You saw what they did
to Josh Allen the other day. But at the same time,
like there's very few people that could perform at a
high level against the defense, that's who I would avoid.
Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
He's the co host of Scoop City with the Athletic
Can't Fill Insider, Bleacher Report, co host of eighty nine
with Steve Smith, also NFL Insider with one O four three,
the fan there in Denver.
Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
He is James Palmer. James, appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
It's always great to catch up with you, and hopefully
we'll do so again here very soon.
Speaker 8 (01:42:54):
I'm excited, guys. I'm excited to see this game. I
was at the last one and narrowhead and you know
it useless for shorthanded until gave him a run. I
think this could be much different type of feel of
the game for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Great weight in, great weight in the weekend, no doubt
about it. We'll catch up soon. Thanks, James. I appreciate buddy.
James Palmer again, of many different outlets out there, but
of course we remember him here with Comcast Sports Houston
and also to with the NFL Network before his current ventures.
Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
He is now the third person to make it seem
as if Houston not only has a good shower win
in this game, you're actually surprised if Houston.
Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
Loses this game. That's the way I took it in
his interview.
Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
What we heard yesterday from different people, Carrington, what we
heard from what am I blanken Eric Eric yesterday? It
feels like Houston, with how well they're playing and what
has gone south for Kansas City, this should be a
game that not only they're in control.
Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Most of the afternoon, but that double digit win not
off the table.
Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Well, maybe they're not the only people who are given
flowers to members of the Texans because somebody else out
there given flowers to two groups of people that you
would not expect to receive flowers. We'll discuss right here
as it is the Morning Drive with Dan and Cole.
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Speaker 6 (01:44:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
A couple of groups of people on the Texans team
you're talking with Derek at home yesterday very complimentary, is
even of you know, parts of the Texans team, not
the defense, Well, James Palmer a little bit too as well.
Let's go ahead and throw the offensive line in. Nick Kyley,
Deserving Flowers and another guy who's doing it, Dan Orlowski
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of ESPN, are on.
Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
This four game win streak. Well, what's changed for their
offense Specifically.
Speaker 14 (01:44:52):
It's the most improved offensive line in football, and it's
the most improved offensive coordinator in football. Shout out to
Nick Kayley his growth this season. We've talked for years,
about two years about how bad this offensive line has
been a Houston and the impact on the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
It looked like twenty twenty three c J. Stroud.
Speaker 14 (01:45:08):
The firmness in the middle of the pocket allows for
what I would say one of his strengths is is
that react in reset, reacted, reset, react, and reset ball over.
Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
The middle field. Shotgun once again goes to the bottom,
wants to throw the out route.
Speaker 5 (01:45:20):
Not there.
Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
How firm is the pocket for him?
Speaker 14 (01:45:22):
Firm up where he can hang, hang, now climb on
a huge third down, no body near him.
Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Thumb the ball off for conversion. This is my favorite play,
my favorite play of the game.
Speaker 10 (01:45:31):
This is vented CJ.
Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Stroud ball fake.
Speaker 14 (01:45:34):
I want to throw the in route right now at
the bottom of the screen, it's not there. Middle linebackers
there reset.
Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
To the top.
Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
But I got to have the pocket to do it
and then throw the ball to the out route right
on the sideline. Beautiful. That is twenty twenty three. This
offensive line was terrible last year. Look at the number
of difference.
Speaker 14 (01:45:50):
Okay, at this point last year, one hundred and four
pressures and twenty one hundred and sixty four pressures, twenty
five sacks. Right now, one hundred and six pressures, so
a little bit more than fifty less fourteen sacks.
Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
That's eleven less. That is huge.
Speaker 14 (01:46:06):
By that center, that guard center guard trio totally has changed.
It's the most improved offensive line in football, and it's
the most improved and developed offensive coordinator in the game.
Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Right now, all right, perhaps you know we were talking
about yesterday with Lake and Tomlinson, you know, being you know,
told your services are no longer needed, and you know
the questions that have been asked, Damiko Ryans, Hey, do
you have your five offensive linemen?
Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
Now?
Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
It seems like they have their five offensive linemen.
Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
I will say the thing that you can look at
that are really prominent is the pressure rate. Has gone
down drastically over the last five games, especially in the
last four wins. You've also seen the sack tole go
on down and you've also been able to see quarterbacks
have more than just three seconds of throw. Most quarterbacks
in the day's game are going with the three step drawback,
looking turbang the field. It feels like of the last
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two matchups, whether it be against Indianapolis or against Buffalo,
both CJ. Stroud and Davis Mills time to have a
seven step drawback. Really survey the field, step on up
in the pocket, avade a quick pressure to the outside,
and deliver a strike to be able to connect.
Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
I mean, if anything, you know, just with you talking
right there, it kind of just reminds me of you know,
what we've seen from CJ at times. I mean, how
many times do most of us watching the game say, dude,
just get rid of it, just throw it somewhere. Nope,
don't keep going backwards. Just throw the ball away. It
doesn't matter where it goes, just as long as it's
not to somebody on the other team.
Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Well, that's like the thing that bothers me when it
comes to people saying, oh, well, this offensive line is
so terrible. This offensive line has nothing to really show
for it. Now, and listen, I'm not saying that the
offensive line has been great this year. It's been adequate.
And let's also go ahead and say it's the most
improved offensive line in the NFL. Okay, Dan, but let's
just make sure that you remind everybody this was the
worst offensive line in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Now you're a D minus student, and now you're a
C minus student, I'll go C plus.
Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
But still regardless you're you're still in a standpoint of
there are hundreds of players and snaps that are better
than you across the NFL, well from teams that are
well more equipted.
Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
I think to go on a run.
Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
But my point is is that so many people love
to go ahead and blame the offensive line for giving
up the sack.
Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
In Houston. You gotta look at the numbers.
Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
There have been multiple instances in the last two years
where four of the four of the seven sacks allowed
are not because the offensive line is giving up pressure immediately.
It's because CJ's waiting for a play to unfold. When
we're all bigging dude, throw it out, a bounce, hit,
reset and you know what I really thought was a
big selling point with CJ in his first season. He
was not afraid to go ahead and say, this play's
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not working, throwt out of bounds. Let's go back to
the drawing board and hit reset. And now it's like
I'm waiting for that highlight moment. I'm waiting for that
big time throw. I got him open. He needs to
cut here and guess what we're gonna Oh wait, I'm
already on the ground.
Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
It was almost a feeling of like there was creation
like that. It was that CJ made that play happen
like that. I'm with you on that, because I mean
there was a little bit of a you know, kind
of rocking chair, you know, feeling back there with them
where it's just like this guy sees everything, like how
is he this advance? And it just it feels like
at least last year that there was a regression there.
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And I mean, I know that he'd been out the
last three weeks, so you know, we'll get a better
gauge of it this week. But it seemed like at
times he'd gotten back to twenty twenty three CJ, but
then at times he'd been twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Twenty something really good on point accurate throws to where
he could feel the pocket collapsing and stepping on up
to delivery strike. There were also some times to where
he was waiting for a play to get on open,
and while it wasn't a sack, he had far too
much time to where he eventually over thought it, tried
to overcorrect and it would lead to either big time
overthrow or an underpass, or him kind of just not
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doing enough and then stepping on up for a gain
of three when really, if you just would have gone
through your progression a lot faster gain of seven, at
least we set you up in second and three versus
second and seven.
Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Is this where you really wish you had had Brevin
Jordan this year?
Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
I wish I would have had more consistency at tight end.
I don't think it needs to be Brevin Jordan.
Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Because I do think that that was supposed to be
part of it this year, is that you were going
to use the tight end more for that very reason
of hey, dude, no matter what, you got an exit ramp,
use it.
Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
I mean, Kate Stover was supposed to be a big
time factor in this team, and then Week one he
breaks his foot and he's out for almost two months.
So it's like, yeah, definitely, I think there's a reason
to say Brevin could have been that could have been.
In that conversation, it absolutely could have been Stover. You
needed to have a weapon outside of just Dalton Schultz
and Dan Don't. Just remind everybody about a month ago
there was one tight end on the active roster.
Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
There's one.
Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
They had more running backs that are sitting on the
bench or playing on special teams. Then they had as
a secondary option to where you could run anything other
than just spread offense.
Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Harrison Bryant's over here saying, hey, dude, I'm here, dude.
He wasn't on the roster a month ago.
Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
He was back on the IR at that point like that,
and again there were two times that he was a
healthy scratch. So it's like, it shows you just how
limited that you had at that position. And the frustrating
part is that for Nick Kaylee, again, remind yourself of this,
what is his specialty tight end position? When he was
in New England, work for tight ends. When he was
out out in Los Angeles, worker tight ends. When you're
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told here's Stalton Schultz and maybe we're gonna bring up
Harrison Brian, or we'll call up Luke as Shafe in
the practice squad, like you're not giving him a lot
to work within resources. At least you now have something
with Cage Stover. I'm not saying it's great, but at
least you have something there.
Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Someone three two on two five seven ninety is the
number two get in in terms of CJ. He's going
up against a living legend on Sunday nights. What are
his thoughts on that. We'll share them with you right
here as it is the Morning Drive with Dan and
Cole Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 9 (01:51:38):
Come back to.
Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Danny Cole as the Morning Drive cruise is.
Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
On Someone three two on two five seven ninety the
number to get in. Now, this is one of the
things that whenever there's a matchup that always cracks me
up is you know, you know Brady versus Manning, you
know Breeze against Manning, you know, all all of these
all the time where it's just like, all right, they're
not like going against each other. Like That's what always
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kind of cracks me up about it. But it is
always a question that's asked and c J. Stroud asked
yesterday about going up against one of the game's best
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (01:52:12):
I mean, it's always cool to go playing case, you know,
against you know that team who's you know, been really
great for the last couple of years. I've been a
fan of you know, a Path for a long time,
and just he's a heck of a player, and it's
it's just really cool, you know, being about five years
ago I was in high school, you know, watching and
you know, now you're competing against those guys souh. But yeah,
I mean I don't really think we have the head.
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I don't really know him too well, you know, but
I think, you know, he's a heck of a player.
And anytime you get to share Phil, you know some
legendary guys, you know, and you just try to gain
their respect.
Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Now there is always too you know, post game, hey,
you know, make sure you get the shot of the quarterbacks,
you know, dapping each other up, which of course CJ
last year with Caleb Williams, the kind of backfired on
him a little bit and people were like, oh, who
are you to give him that advice? Well, I don't know,
a guy that played really good is rookie year and
is telling him, don't take all those hits and get concussions.
Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Maybe sure, but then he proceeded to get in his
own way and take all those hits and avoided a concussion.
But I mean those gospace spade that's what happened last season.
Well then he you know, he got one this year too,
But that was on him. I'm not gonna blame the
offensive line and taking those hits. That was on him
sliding forward and then a late hit coming on in
the last second.
Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
It feels like if nothing else was CJ.
Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
And the reason why I played that audio is that
people want to believe in him again because I feel
like that we've kind of gone through a little bit
of an arc with him. It was twenty three, Oh, man,
this guy's awesome. Sky's the limit, This thing's gonna be amazing.
Twenty four, Uh oh, you know, is this who this
guy's really gonna be? And then, as I've said here,
in twenty five, we've had a little bit of a
mixed bag. We've had at the beginning where it was, man,
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maybe he is the twenty twenty four guy, and then
there's times where you're like, Okay, no, he's the twenty
twenty three guy like it feels like Sunday Night is
another chance for him to be able to convert believers again.
Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
Sure, but let me tell you, and we are not
telling you how to be a fan. I won't do that.
You can act however you want.
Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
What I will tell you is make sure that you
have enough data points before coming to a foregone conclusion
on anybody in any sport at what they do. Because
I was very adamant about this last year.
Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
I said that c J.
Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
Stroud was a top ten quarterback in the NFL if
he continues to build off of this, but right now
I have him at eleven, and I got so much pushback. Dan,
Everyone was just like, how you wanna say to the
Texans like you, you live in the city, you cover
the team, You go and see everything that we saw
last year. Hater hater, hater, hater, hater hater. No, I said,
because if I have one season of significant data to
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be able to say what CJ. Stroud is up to
this point, and so just to make sure that I
followed up, SUIT said the same thing about Jayden Daniels
this year, Jane Nalle's number eleven quarterback in the NFL, dude,
he put up better numbers than CJ. Stroud did last year.
He was a wild card team, that last team in
the NFC title game. That's really cool. There was one
data point of a full season. We had Jane Daniels.
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Now Jane Daniels and CJ. Strout probably in the same
packing order, twelve thirteenth rand quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
That's okay, if that's what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
You guys all decide to jump the gun and crown
CJ to be the next big time thing when we
didn't know if he was. Josh Allen took three years
for him to finally come into fruition to prove that
he was the next big time thing.
Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
Baker Mayfield took three.
Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
Years to prove that he was a consistent winner. Patrick
Mahomes sat for an entire season before he came on
in and won the MVP. You don't have all the
answers after seventeen games with the rookie campaign where there's
no film on you for teams to be able to
figure out what you can do right and what you
can do wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:55:45):
So like spare me when it comes to the oh, well,
we you know well, CJ. He's lost a step.
Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
No, CJ's probably always been in this category, and he
has had a really, really good first year that defense
coordinators have been able to build around.
Speaker 5 (01:55:56):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
I mean, you know, you could also throw Bryce Young
in that category because I mean he he's made believers
Caleb Williams too. I mean, you know, a little bit
of is that Ben Johnson is a much improved offensive line.
But he was somebody that in his rookie season had
people wondering about him, and now he's starting to contract.
Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
He sucked.
Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Apparently, just the worst quarterback to ever exists. Can't believe
that team drapped in number one overall over Jadon Daniels, who,
again dealing with hits, dealing with injuries, dealing with bad
offensive line play hasn't been out there. But that's the point,
is that there comes a moment where eventually you have
enough data to say this is who he is as
a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
I think that TJ. Stroud still is the best quarterback
from his draft class. I think that CJ.
Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Stroud still is going to be a top twelve quarterback
two or three years from now. I think that you
should pay CJ. Stroud before the market dictates it's far
too heavy. But let's also remind ourselves that this time
last year, oh well, you know, offensive lines is so terrible.
Oh well, dealing with injuries at wide receivers, Oh well,
you know, the play calling fight by Bobby Sloak is terrible.
He's still has thrown into double coverage. He still is
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over shooting receivers when their wine open. He still is
taking sacks behind the line of scrimmage. Like, this is
something that he has got to work on and at
some point this is just who he is as a player.
You got to find a way to build around it.
Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Well, it's also too I mean, you know in the uh,
in the times of comparisons, there's there's always comparisons, and
you know, one of them, oh Tom Brady. Do We
also need to remind ourselves that Tom Brady really didn't
become you know, the hey he creates for for receivers
probably until about like year six or seven in his career.
And then last year the fanatics thing, and when somebody
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asked Peyton Manning about a sophomore slump for for CJ. Stroud,
he was like, well, let's kind of pump the brakes
a little bit He's made the playoffs in both seasons.
He's like, don't forget that. My rookie year, I had
the interceptions record. So like you know, of saying that
the guy's got a sophomore slump, Like, if that's the case,
then he's doing pretty good.
Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
When it's all said, c J.
Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Stroud still has fewer interceptions up to this point in
his career. There's three seasons than Peyton Manning had in
his first season. Who he's taken as a starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
If you had to pick one on one between him
and Peyton man yes, well, I mean, of course you know,
knowing the body of work Peyton Manning, But my point just.
Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Is is that again, just because if you think that
you know everything after one season, just proves my area
of there are things that grow and manipulate and eventually
lead to where we have more of a good understanding.
Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
So like, yeah, CJ.
Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
Shroud is going to be I think a solid quarterback.
I think CJ's Shroud will play fine on SAT. I mean,
I think CJ will play fine on Sunday. I think
that he'll have his first touchdown pass since Week eight.
I think that he will connect with Nico Collins in
the end zone. I think the Texans will win. I
also think that there is more of a dialect that
needs to be had, that he's closer towards Dak Prescott,
closer towards Jalen Hurts than he is towards Lamar Jackson
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and Patch Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Well, even Lamar Jackson's got some people wondering about him
right now. But one season again, it goes right back
to the same point.
Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
One bad season, and now we're gonna say, ah, we
over related, we overrated Lamar, We overrated Lamar after having
two after having incredible success, growing as a passer, proven
that he is more than just a runner, ditching the
narrative that he's a running back. Oh but yeah, no,
we were proven right. It was those four years Dan.
Those four years were the outlier of it all, not
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just one bad season.
Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
Everybody wants to see a downfall.
Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
What can we say, someone three, two, one, two, five,
seven ninety is the number to get in Texans have
a big one on Sunday Night. But what if we
told you that that's not the game or even in
this case, games that you have to be the most
concerned about. We'll discuss as we get into the nine
o'clock hour, here on the Morning Drive with Dan and
Coles Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
You mean, this is the Morning Drive when Dad and Cole.
Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
Was the show that we were doing during the show
off the year. But now, well you know, it comes
to life. So the Texans the last couple of years
have had disappointing losses to teams that you look back
at and you're like, how the hell did we lose
to that team? In twenty three it was on the
road to Carolina, and you come out of that game
against the Panthers and you're like, that's a bad loss,
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not really sure how that one happened.
Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
And then last year at home against the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Well, the Texans have a perceived soft part of the
schedule coming up, where you've got the Raiders in town
and then you've got the Arizona Cardinals in those next
two games. Now this one, we're feeling good about Sunday
Nights in Kansas City, and I know a lot of
people are like, whoa, hey, don't don't ride off the
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Chiefs just yet, right.
Speaker 4 (02:00:52):
The horse, Let's just wait a little bit. But we
feel good about it, and we feel like the matchup
is in their favor.
Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
I would be coming in here on Monday morning screaming
that the season is over if they lose on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (02:01:03):
Yes, I feel that good about it. Oh really yeah?
All right, So so it goes a lot. There's a
lot on the line here. Everything is going downhill. I'll
say that they don't win by.
Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
Twenty Let's just say, for the sake of argument, though,
that we come in and they're the eight and five
Texans getting ready for the Raiders first. Raiders, So it
is the Cardinals first, So it is it is Arizona first,
a team that has gotten some teams this year too,
so it's not out of the Roma possibility. And they
and they took and you know, they took Tampa Bay
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to the brink here recently. So Jacobe Prissad is doing
things at least somewhat the right way there in Arizona.
But would that not be one of the most Texans
things ever to win this game and then come back
and lose that one and You're just like, come on, man,
we were just starting to believe in you.
Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
Do you believe this one or do you believe the Raiders?
Just the one that's more of a Texana the Cardinals
the Raiders are a dumpster fire. Yeah, I think it's
more of the Raiders. And the reason why is because
what happened last season. Well, you decide to go ahead
and play really well against most of your teams, and
then unfortunately, you start to get into a lull where
you cost yourself a game with multiple interceptions in the
second half against the Detroit Lions. But you got back
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on the wagon and you start a win and then
you welcome to in a team that was led by
Will Levis at a coach that no longer is employed,
and you went five and one in the division because
you'll lost a match up to the number one overall
pick Tennessee Titans Dan. Right now, the Raiders are expected
to be a top three pick in this year's draft.
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The Raiders have no identity on the offense outside of
passing the football to Brock Bauers. They have a quarterback
that if a' mat mistaken still leads the NFL in interceptions.
They have a running game that is very obsolete because
they can't open lanes for Ashton Genty. That's the game
that I look at and I say, this where the
Texans finally want to mess it up. This will be
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a reason why Raiders fans will be furious and fuming
at the fact that they are now not having the
number one all we're all pick because they got too
many wins and Texans very infurious because how are you
able to beat up on Kansas City, Los Angeles, Buffalo, Indianapolis.
You're able to handle business against San Francisco, You really
are in most of the control most of the game
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against Tampa and you lose to the Raiders. That's the
one that we had the stick Alegas ort thumb. That's
a game I think that I'm worried about that.
Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
I mean that, you know, I was talking about it
in the last segment about you know, the belief in CJ.
Speaker 4 (02:03:25):
Stroud.
Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
I mean, is it kind of maybe you're you're teetering
on the line right now with Texans fans that if
if that does happen in either of these two games
against Arizona or against Las Vegas, that you're just like, dude, seriously, like, seriously,
I was just starting to believe in you and you
do this.
Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
No, I think it's it's it's well for me. The
Arizona game would be interesting because it just would.
Speaker 4 (02:03:46):
I ask you this.
Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
If you go back and you look at the Arizona
games this year, what's been the common denominator in all
nine the losses most games?
Speaker 5 (02:03:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:03:54):
Nothing there, yeah, nothing. They're blown out that they find
a way to mess up in the fourth quarter. The
Texans needed to have an insurmountable comeback against the Jacksonville
Jaguars to win that one.
Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
What if it's flipped. What if for some reason, Trey.
Speaker 3 (02:04:06):
McBride and Marvin Harrison Junior and Bam Night are all
making plays and Cobert Set's throwing downfield and give it
one or two explosive catches and you're in field goal range.
It's a close scoring affair and they just kind of
pull away and they start to come on back. It's
like nine to nothing, and then they get two touchdowns
and it ends up being a fourteen to nine finish.
Like that, to me, I could see happening. Because again,
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Houston this part of the schedule, playing on the road
the last two games, going the last three matchups against
playoff bound rosters or playoff bound expected rosters.
Speaker 4 (02:04:36):
Then you welcome in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (02:04:38):
Okay, I mean I could see this being closed, but
I also think that Houston's prepared for this game. You're
sleep walking through Las Vegas. Everyone's looking ahead to Los Angeles.
Everyone's paying too much close attention to what we have
to do when we face off, and welcome in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
You're like, oh, eliminating for the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:04:53):
They're gonna fire their coach, they already fire their offensive coordinator.
They don't have a good quarterback. Their defense is trash.
They I have no idea any when it comes to
running the football. They have one weapon that they can target,
and you forget about that and you forget to game plan,
and everything now is focused in on Oh well, we
didn't forget to game plan. We figured that you were
going to pass us spy. We meant to be prepared
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for this like it was our Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
Well, I think a couple of things that are working
in favor of this year's team is well, at least
the last four games, you found a way to either
come back and win a close game or hold on
and win a close game. That was not the case
early on in the season. And I think the other
part of it too is for the early part of
the season is you're in desperation mode. I mean, this
is where even if you went on Sunday, you're not
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guaranteed anything. So I think if nothing else, that there
can be a little bit more of a lean in
for focus on this one of Hey, we can't allow
it to be this one. We don't want to look
back and say, hey, why didn't we make the playoffs
because you didn't show up against Arizona or Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (02:05:53):
I think again, my big thing is that I think
if you don't show up against Arizona, whether or not,
I think that it's supposed to happen, because again, you're
supposed to being up on it.
Speaker 4 (02:06:02):
Seem like Arizona. I think you're fine.
Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
I think that that's not a game that you worry
about because that's the one where you wake on up
and you realize there is no margin for error. We
can still beat Indianapolis because we've already done it justin.
Herbert's an overrated quarterback in the NFL, so no problem there.
Despite playing on the road, we're not gonna let us
fall short against Las Vegas. The Las Vegas one is
really infuriating to me, because that's just a non negotiable.
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How in the hell are you allowing a team that's
that bad even coming close to your strats for of
being in the conversation with you?
Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
Can you sure repeat itself someone three two one two
five seven ninety or can the Texans find any way
to be able to guard against said history repeating itself?
As we'll head back out to the phone lines, kJ
wants to weigh Good morning, kJ.
Speaker 5 (02:06:44):
Morning fellers, love the show Man, love the new format.
Been a fan of the station for years. Thanks real quick,
we need to stop to listen. If the Texas lose
against the Raiders didn't have nothing to do with them
losing against Tennessee last year. Those games are completely separate entities.
Things happen over the course of the season. Teams on
occasion will lose against a team that they shouldn't lose against.
(02:07:07):
It has no bearing on what happened with Will Levits
and all that other crap you mentioned earlier. They have
that there's no correlations there. The things that the themes
that if the Texas lose against any subpart team, it
will flat out be because the thing there was regression
at some point, whether it be with the offensive line,
whether it be with TJ. Sharud having a a brain
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part and not playing at the standard that he's already
set over the course of his career. Granted, his rookie
season was much better than what we've seen so far,
but they're still room for growth. Honestly, my estimation, any
loss that we take in the remainder of the season,
it's gonna fallen on the lap of the offensive line
because that is literally the only weakness of this team.
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The running back corps is solid. You would like more
out of Woody Marksen, Nick Chubb, but Dick Chubb is
what he is and see and what he is a rookie.
The receiving room is solid. The defenses is I mean,
I don't need need to say anything about the defense.
Whatever loss we take the remainder of this season, if
we do take another loss, we'll be solely at the
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hands of the offensive line being ineffective, not keeping CZ upright,
or if CJ regretses to the point to what he
does some of the things you guys mentioned earlier, him
holding on to the ball too long, him not stepping
into the pocket when there's an opportunity as opposed to
stepping back in the yard to take an attack. Those
will be the reasons we lost. Let's not over domatize it.
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It has nothing to do with something that happened last
year or two years ago. If they lose at any
point this year, it will be sold it for those reasons.
And I to hang up in the list.
Speaker 3 (02:08:40):
kJ can't Jay before you hang up, Man, before you
hang out pro fast. You did just say a second ago.
It has nothing to do with those what happened the
last two years. Would you say that right now Geno
Smith is one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL?
Speaker 15 (02:08:52):
Absolutely okay.
Speaker 3 (02:08:53):
Would you say last season Will Levis was one of
the worst quarterbacks in the NFL?
Speaker 8 (02:08:59):
Absolutely okay.
Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
So if the Tennessee Times are one of the worst
teams in the NFL and the Las Vegas area is
one of the worst teams in the NFL this season,
you're telling me that there's no correlation whatsoever between the two.
When it's a game at home that you feel like
you're supposed to be coasting over an opponent and you
overlook them there's no correlations.
Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
It's what's called a coincidence. Will Levis is playing tomorrow.
We're not playing to the see tomorrow if we lose
against the Raiders, and absolutely nothing to do with what
we able to get tones right.
Speaker 4 (02:09:27):
But now it's a track that happening year in and
year out.
Speaker 3 (02:09:30):
That's the problem, kJ, is that every year the Texans
can find a way to get a win that they're
not supposed to get.
Speaker 4 (02:09:36):
A win over. I'll tell you right now, Buffalo, it's
not just but the Texans are team.
Speaker 3 (02:09:41):
If you're trying to put yourself in the conversation kJ, kJ,
if you're trying to put yourself in the conversation kJ,
if you're trying to put yourself in the conversation of
being a legit team, one of the best in the AFC,
like Kansas City has, like Baltimore has, like Buffalo has,
like any of these other teams have. They don't lose
those type of games. They lose close games to teams
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like Houston, they lose close games to teams like Pittsburgh,
but they don't lose to the bottom dwellers and the
cellar markets and the merchants and the rat poison that
comes down.
Speaker 4 (02:10:10):
In the AFC. That's not what they do. And that's
the different streets Houston there.
Speaker 8 (02:10:15):
All right, let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (02:10:17):
There, we beat I don't remember if it was Week
four or some weapon that we beat the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3 (02:10:21):
Correct, we beat a Week five Baltimore Ravens team that
had nine players on the ir for the defensive side.
Speaker 4 (02:10:26):
But yes, we did beat that team.
Speaker 5 (02:10:27):
Okay, So I don't know what the Ravens record was
last year. I think they were like twelve and five
or thirteen and four or something like that.
Speaker 4 (02:10:35):
Twelve.
Speaker 5 (02:10:36):
When I get off the phone, go and look at
if you don't have to do it during the show
in between breaks, if you get a check, I haven't
look at the record, look at the Look at the
teams that the Ravens lost to you last year, and
whatever game they lost, I guarantee you in that mix
they lost to what they lost to a team that
they shouldn't have lost to you. You are right, that
had absolutely no bearing on the Texans of them losing
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to the They left to the Texas because they had
a bunch of injuries. They had nothing to do with
with anything that happened last year. If we lose against
the Raiders, again, nothing that happened yesterday affects today. I mean,
it's easy to say that to make a point, but
the fact of the matter is that we lose against
the Raiders, it's currently because of something that happened in game.
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It has absolutely nothing to what would happened with Tennessee
last year.
Speaker 4 (02:11:23):
Appreciate it. kJ. Don't be a stranger man.
Speaker 2 (02:11:27):
I mean, I get what he's saying, and I do
agree with them on where you know, seasons don't translate,
But I mean I do think that patterns do, and
I think that that's that's where you know it's not
And I don't think we know we would be looking at,
you know, conceivably if you lost either of those two games,
being like, now, well that's what this team does. You
know that they lose games. But again, I mean, you
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know it happens once. Okay, it happens twice, it's a coincidence.
A third time, then it is a pattern.
Speaker 3 (02:11:54):
Who went to the Super Bowl last season from the
AFC Chiefs, who did they lose to in the regular season?
Speaker 4 (02:12:00):
I'm not sure. The Buffalo Bills and a well.
Speaker 3 (02:12:03):
Rested Kansas City Chiefs backup squad lost to the Denver
Broncos fighting for their spot in the playoffs. There's a
reason why we view them as a playoff team and
as the playoff favorite.
Speaker 4 (02:12:12):
That's where we are.
Speaker 8 (02:12:14):
That's just it.
Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
If you are good enough and you're supposed to be
viewed as the favorite, you're supposed to win the games
against the teams that you're not supposed to lose to
the bottom dwellers, the rat cesspool that is the AFC,
the AFC seller.
Speaker 4 (02:12:28):
You're not supposed to lose those games. You just aren't.
Speaker 3 (02:12:30):
That's why I didn't say Arizona. If you lose to Arizona,
I think it's really, really, really just bad overall performance.
Maybe Arizona has that spark that day and you don't.
If you lose to the Raiders, this Raiders team, like
last season you lost to that Titans team.
Speaker 4 (02:12:45):
It's a pattern.
Speaker 2 (02:12:46):
It is someone three two, one, two, five, seven to
ninety would see right there working into the conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:12:52):
Also, JJ Watt, is he a chameleon? After all?
Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
We'll discuss as it is The Morning Drive with Dan
and Cole Year on a Thursday of Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 6 (02:13:02):
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Speaker 4 (02:13:11):
Talk Wood Once Away and Good Morning would Fellas.
Speaker 16 (02:13:16):
Now, the problem that we normally have on our offensive
line is the teams that we're going to play against
don't have a strong defensive tackle that pushed that middle.
The teams that we have to play against that's left.
Those teams were like the Rams, Seattle, Tampa Bay. They
gave us problems because they were pushing that middle.
Speaker 13 (02:13:37):
Because our guns were so soft.
Speaker 5 (02:13:39):
They could not do anything with it.
Speaker 16 (02:13:40):
And once that middle collapse, Teacher had nowhere to step
up to and then the ends would collapse around him
where he had no choice.
Speaker 5 (02:13:47):
But to get sacked.
Speaker 16 (02:13:48):
Now, what's been going on lately with the last four games,
especially started with the three games where Mells played. Trent
Brown had shown a great presence on that right Tiple side.
Speaker 5 (02:14:01):
That way, he was able to move Howard.
Speaker 16 (02:14:04):
Down to that guard, just strengthen it up a little better.
He's a better guard than the guards that we have
planned when he supposed to a better right tople Now
with Brown out there, that the offensive line could give
him enough.
Speaker 5 (02:14:18):
Protection now to be able to at least go to
his second a third receiver.
Speaker 16 (02:14:24):
Now, the great thing that what CJ. Was able to
do when he was off was watch what was going
on with the game. And because the coaching has been horrible,
they haven't been coaching him up, letting him know what
he needed to do. What they've been trying to do
was it's trying to make him Tom Brady, we want
you to go through your third, second, third receiver and
see who's open. He didn't have that kind of time
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to do that. But when Mills was in there, Mills
was going to his first receiver. He was getting the
ball out of his head fast. He was not taking
any facts, getting the ball out fast. But c they
started to learn is you know what, I ain't got
time to sit up here, how to listen to what
the coaches are saying and go through all these receivers.
I'm gonna get the ball out my hand, get out
this pocket. I'm gonna keep this ball.
Speaker 5 (02:15:07):
Moving, just like Mills did.
Speaker 16 (02:15:09):
So it was good for him to sit on that
sideline and see what to do. Now the team is
that we lost to last year. In the first year,
like you're talking about Carolina. When Bright Shawn came down here,
we lost. We lost Atlanta Falcons, We almost lost the
Tennessee this year because that was a close game.
Speaker 1 (02:15:26):
Those games we're not gonna lose this year.
Speaker 5 (02:15:28):
Our defense is too song.
Speaker 16 (02:15:30):
Our offense is gonna move the ball good enough. But
the problem is once we get to third and two
off for one, that's where it comes down to our
offensive line that's still soft.
Speaker 5 (02:15:43):
We have no push.
Speaker 16 (02:15:45):
But what we have been able to do is spread
the ball around where we use Woody to get outside
a little bit to get that first down.
Speaker 5 (02:15:55):
But with him with an ankle injury a little bit,
that might slow I.
Speaker 16 (02:15:58):
Run down a little bit. But that's not going to
get me into problems because I know.
Speaker 5 (02:16:02):
We're going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 16 (02:16:04):
In the ALC, we can whoop anybody till in ALC.
Speaker 5 (02:16:07):
That's left. The only problem that where Kansas City we
don't have is Chelsea.
Speaker 16 (02:16:12):
Chelsea kill us in the middle because we don't have
nobody that can really hold him in that slot coverage
and he normally I always have a field day on him.
But I'm not worried about that because we should still
be able to overcome and whoop Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (02:16:30):
All right, I'm got a lot of everybody in the
city of Houston. No, would that if they don't go
to the super Bowl, it's your fault. Yeah, you just
being it clear that they're gonna go to.
Speaker 4 (02:16:37):
The super Bowl. I will push back on one thing
they said.
Speaker 3 (02:16:41):
The reason why Kansas City was able to beat the
craft out of us last season when it came to
the UH type for when it came to Travis kelcey
who wasn't out there, Dan, There's a certain name that
plays in the slot that does a really good job
of guarding tight ends that wasn't out there because he
was dealing with the season ending chess injury.
Speaker 4 (02:17:00):
Was a Jalen Petrie.
Speaker 3 (02:17:01):
Jalan Petrick not playing the Division round last season, so
now he's in that game. So I actually do think
that this will be a limited, limited game for Travis
kelce If you're gonna win, you're gonna win against with
Raschi Rice and you're gonna move with the Xavier Worthy. Now,
I also want to make this clear Dan, for everybody
out here. So seven one thirty two two nine, if
you want time on in. I do not think the
Texans are going to lose to the Cardinals. I do
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not think the Texans are going to lose to the Raiders.
I don't think that whatsoever. I think the Texans could
easily with how well the defense has been playing, with
the offensive line making necessary changes, they are going to
be able to go on a nine game win streak
to close things out. I believe that that could happen.
But much like whenever we have the conversation about Alabama
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versus Georgia, Hey Kurby smart is one in seven against
the Alabama Crimson Tide with or without Nick Saban out there.
Until I see it, I'm gonna lean in favor of
Alabama to win that game ninety nine percent of the
time because history says it happens with the Texans over
the last two years. History says they're going to win
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a game against opponent that they shouldn't, they're going to
lose a game to an opponent that they shouldn't. Until
I see it, I'm gonna believe that that's still on
the table. Those are the two teams that are left
on your schedule that you can lose to. Similarly to
how you lost the Kansas, I mean Carolina, and similarly,
how you lost the Tassie last year.
Speaker 2 (02:18:21):
Well, I share the JJ Watt thought here before we
get to Trey Wallace, but Dave on the north side
wants away in Dave, good morning, Good morning guys.
Speaker 15 (02:18:31):
Believe you that you are my favorite morning host on
Bostalk seven. I I just want to say that, thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:18:39):
I appreciate it, man gees.
Speaker 15 (02:18:41):
Sir, the key for the Texans to beat the Kansas
City Chiefs is basically the stop two people. Patrick Mahomes
and Trapp as Kelsey agreed before I continue, I.
Speaker 4 (02:18:57):
Want you, guys, I gonna say beating Travis Kelsey is
the key.
Speaker 3 (02:19:00):
Yes, I will agree with you on that one, which
then of course correlates over to Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 15 (02:19:06):
Can the Texans have a safety or cornerback on Travis
Kelcey and have two linebackers on Travis Kelcey? What I
mean by that is have three people guarding Travis kelce.
Speaker 4 (02:19:24):
No, you can't do that, Dave. That's that's malpractice because
when you.
Speaker 15 (02:19:28):
Have about how about two people?
Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
I think I think that what you can do is
you can have a safety roll over the top to
guarantee that where if Jalen Petrie, who will be more
than likely the man covering Travis Kelcey on Saturday, I
mean Sunday, you can have a safety roll over the
top to where if there is a mistackle, you don't
allow to beat you afterwards, so it's limited yards after contact.
But no, I still think that right now when it
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comes to what this matchup is, you need to neutralize
Travis Kelcey, but you can't have three guys on them
because you only have seven guys in coverage against four
or five opponents. So that leaves you on an island
with other players, whether that be Kamari Laster, whether that
be whoever is going to be starting at safety now
with Jalen Reed being out, it more than likely is
Jalen Mills. With questions out of the backfield with whoever
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they have, Isaiah Pacheco, Damian Pierce. There's a lot of
ways so where you can't have three and two, you
can have at least a conversation of we're rolling a
guy into a position, but then you got to be
playing in a more zone coverage. That way you guarantee that, hey,
let's say Rashie Rice is one on one downfield and
he wins that battle, well you can't say, well, we're
just covering Travis kelce when you have a really good
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wide receiver that can break.
Speaker 4 (02:20:35):
On open for a game to twenty.
Speaker 15 (02:20:38):
I get what you're saying, and I'm totally agreeing with
you about Travis kelce me and you agree with that.
But what I'm saying is that you know, I don't
want Travis kelcey as a youthon Texans fan to beat you.
And what I'm saying is that you know, utilize a
safety old cornerback over the top, so a Travis beat
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you and then double team Travis Kelsey. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
I mean, agreed, Yeah, I mean, I don't think you're
going to mean a situation where you've got a double team.
Speaker 4 (02:21:12):
I mean, I appreciate the call. I just I don't
think he's that player anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:21:17):
But I do think that he is somebody that I mean,
Andy Reid is somebody that is incredible at being able
to game plan and being able to scheme guys open
that I think Kelsey would be one of those guys.
Because your attention is going to be unworthy. It's going
to be on Ray Shie Rice, It's it's going to
be on any of the other guys. And I think
that Kelsey, who I mean to Dave's point, has been
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a Texans killer in the past.
Speaker 4 (02:21:40):
It's up to him to prove that he can still
be that guy.
Speaker 2 (02:21:42):
I trust the defense against him, and I trust you
being able to play the way that you've continued to play.
Speaker 3 (02:21:47):
Travis Kelcey in the last two games last season, he
had twelve catches for one hundred and one hundred and
forty nine yards in a touchdown, and he averaged sixteen
point three yards of play.
Speaker 4 (02:21:55):
So yeah, he's a killer. I'm not going to disagree
with you on that.
Speaker 3 (02:21:58):
What I'm also going to say is not playing a safety,
a nickel defender, and a linebacker all on eighty seven
and creating opportunities for people to get on.
Speaker 2 (02:22:06):
Open All right, So let's swing back into the college
football conversation because Trey Wallace Alkick dot Com he'll hop
on with us to talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 4 (02:22:17):
So we'll do it right here. It is the Morning
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Speaker 4 (02:22:31):
I'm all for ruckus basketball.
Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
We also got our great slates of conference championship games
this weekend in college football and cole That's what we're
going to talk about right now.
Speaker 3 (02:22:42):
Trey Wallace from Alkick dot com joins us. You might
give me a follow on social media at Trey Wallace
Underscore and Trey I'm gonna start off pretty early and
pretty easy as a lot of Texas fans who are
wondering what their fate is. Number one, do the Longhorns
have a shot of going to the college football playoff?
Speaker 4 (02:22:58):
And number two?
Speaker 3 (02:23:00):
Are they being unfairly penalized for losing three games, including
one by twenty five points to Georgia and won by
nine points to Florida Teina Fish fourty.
Speaker 10 (02:23:11):
Good morning guys, on my way to Atlanta to cover
an SEC championship weekend, and I would say Texas is
kind of in a bad spot right now. They're gonna
need absolute madness to happen this weekend. I probably would
start with you need BYU out of the way. I
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think Texas Tech needs to win that game by fourteen
seventeen points. I think the lines twelve and a half
right now, get them, by the way, probably have Virginia
winning the ACC title. Don't let the craziness of Duke
happen because then you get two G five teams in
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the other scenario. And why I really chose this game
in Atlanta the SEC time is because I'm curious to
see what happens if Alabama goes down here and they
lose by let's just say, to two scores, three scores,
fourteen seventeen points. Does the committee look at Alabama and say,
all right, wait a minute, we can't put this team
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in here. They didn't really play well against Auburn. They
gotta be by Oklahoma, you know. So does that knock
somebody else out of the way? Now, I know the
conversation would obviously shift to Miami in Notre Dame, but
I think one would probably get in.
Speaker 4 (02:24:31):
Over the other.
Speaker 10 (02:24:32):
So what I'm getting at is, look, there's still hope.
But if I was Texas, I'd have probably took Bacon
Vanderbilt up on their offer to maybe run it back
one more time and see if they could play an
exhibition game to make their strength to schedule.
Speaker 4 (02:24:46):
A little bit harder.
Speaker 10 (02:24:47):
I just I don't see how Texas gets in and
I think, and I'm not trying to be the downer here,
but I think the committee is looking at Miami and
really trying to figure out a way to get into
the College Football Playoff before they're going to start worrying
about Texas Brother Trey.
Speaker 2 (02:25:04):
Is there any scenario that A and M is not
hosting a playoff game here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 10 (02:25:09):
I you would have to get really, really tricky when
it comes to Atlanta. I think that so so the
Big Ten title game Indiana and Ohio State. Unless one
of those teams wins by thirty points, they're both gonna
get a first round by and and I guess rightfully.
Speaker 5 (02:25:27):
So, I think that.
Speaker 10 (02:25:31):
The interesting factor would be what happens if Alabama wins.
Speaker 4 (02:25:37):
The SEC title game?
Speaker 10 (02:25:39):
Would they leap into that spot and be able to
host now don't I don't think that could potentially happen,
But I think Texas A and M might be on
the outskirts right now. Looking now, I I think Texas
A and M should should be a team in my opinion.
I don't know if they should have dropped that far
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coming off their first law. That's just my opinion, but
I think that we get down to it. I think
the first round by is probably out of the picture
unless here's the other one, unless Texas Tech gets out.
Speaker 4 (02:26:12):
Of the way with the loss of BYU.
Speaker 10 (02:26:15):
And then, like I said earlier, potentially you throw the
wrinkle in to Georgia, then maybe you got something going there.
But I think that we're lining up to see Texas
A and M potentially hosting a first round game. It's
a little bit of madness happens this weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:26:32):
Trey Wallace fromoukick dot Com with Migan McFall on Twitter.
It's at Trey Wallace underscore. All right, Trey Lane Kiffin's
off to LSU. He's gonna have a top ten recruiting class.
Speaker 4 (02:26:41):
He mays bad.
Speaker 3 (02:26:42):
He decided to lie on it. There's a lot of
LSU fans you feel one way. There's a lot of
America it feels the other way. So I'm gonna ask
you straight on up. Is Lane kill Kiffen the villain
in all of this? Or is this just the nature
of college football?
Speaker 10 (02:26:54):
Unfortunately, it's the nature of college football. But at the
same time, Lane Kiffen didn't do anything to help himself
to become the villain. I mean, that's exactly what it is.
I mean the way that he handled he knew he
would look. We talked to multiple sources about this over
the last seven weeks. I mean, Lane Kiffin was gone
from Oxford guy six weeks ago. Now, if you want
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to get into the finality of the situation, when Keith Carter,
the ad at old Miss put out that statement, I
guess it was two fridays ago. Now, Lane Kiffin had
already verbally committed to LSU. That was a wrap that
was done. I think that the way that he handled
the week leading up to it, he knew he wasn't
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coaching in the playoff like that was done. They had
told him that three and a half weeks ago, you
aren't coaching in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:27:43):
Sorry.
Speaker 10 (02:27:43):
Now it got a little bit interesting when it comes
to the SEC Championship. If Auburn would have pulled off
the comeback against Alabama, I think I would probably be
covering Kiffin in Atlanta this weekend. I'm not gonna lie. Now,
he might already be here because of College Game Day,
and you know LSU's going to try to throw him
as many television sets as possible. But I don't know
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how else to look at Lank Kiffin right now as
the villain of the old misstep because of everything that
went down. I mean, guys, we're talking about three weeks ago.
You had assistant coaches being polled on where they would
like to be at next year. LSU was one, Florida
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was one, Old Miss was one, and then Florida State
was another one. So they had already put this thing
in motion. And then when you get to your offense.
So when he met with Keith Carter on Saturday night
in Oxford after the Egg Bowl this past weekend, he
laid out to Keith, all right, look, if you don't
let me come, and this is like his last ditch effort.
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He goes, if you don't like me, and I'm paraphrasing here,
So don't don't go to crow to crazy on social media, folks.
Speaker 5 (02:28:50):
But if you want me.
Speaker 10 (02:28:52):
Here, or you want to have a bad situation when
it comes to the college foo Wall playoff without an
offensive staff here to help you, you better keep me
through the playoffs. That right there, that's not really bad
with me. I don't don't threaten to derail these players
seasons by leaving and then also taking all your offensive
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staffs with you, and I think I think overall that's.
Speaker 4 (02:29:18):
Where it got bad.
Speaker 10 (02:29:19):
I mean, it was already rough inside the facility and
knocking a lot of you guys. But at the same time,
when you're trying to screw over your players, man, that
just doesn't sit well with me. And I think at
the same time, that's why you saw a d Keith Carter.
You know, they were supposed to have a press conference yesterday,
but he held off on that. And what he did
was he did a bunch of media rounds with the
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old miss guys, and I thought that was a smart
way to go, and he laid it out like the
leadership guys. I'm telling you, like Sunday morning, when Lane
Kiffin said in his press conference on Monday that he
met with the players and ah, the leadership council wanted
them around.
Speaker 5 (02:29:56):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 10 (02:29:57):
The leadership council set a trap for him. Lane Kiffin
thought that the leadership counsel, which is about seven guys,
the leaders on the team, they pretty much they're they're
the voice of the football team. So Kiffin thought that
they were gonna go to Keith Carter and say, hey,
we want coach around you know, let's figure out a way. No,
they went into that meeting and said, hey, he's got
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to go. What are we doing with our with our
position coaches. Let's make sure that they're okay. So like
it flipped the script on Kiffin. He thought he was
getting one thing, he got the other. And then once
it was officially done per se late Saturday night that
Pete Golding was going to take over, Kifflon was gone.
He wasn't arguing his way out of the Manning Center
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in Oxford. That was it, and I think it all.
You know, it came to a head when they decided,
all right, well you're gone. Ten minutes before the team meeting.
They walked him out with an escort, gets to the
car and heads to the Oxford Airport and it's a wrap, Like,
I just he handled this very bad. I was in
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Starkville covering that game on Friday. I didn't particularly like
him going up to a reporter and talking about it.
I don't know if we can even say this on
the radio, but pretty much turning a person into a housewife.
And I'm sitting there like did that just happen? Like
did he really just do that? He knew the cameras
are around, Like he saw me, he saw five other cameras.
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So he just handled it really bad man, and you
can't trust him in I think that look, LSU knows
what they're getting in Lane Kiffin. I would advise LSU
fans get ready, there's gonna be some interesting moments. You're
gonna love him. Lane Kiffin's an enjoyable character. Okay, but
there's a reason why I just said character. He brings
the circus with him.
Speaker 2 (02:31:42):
Cole again, Trey wallacealkick dot Com join us for a
couple more minutes. And I mean, do you feel like
a little bit of that though, is like a perception
that that's playing in that Oh he's the same guy.
Speaker 4 (02:31:54):
He's never gonna change.
Speaker 10 (02:31:57):
I've said this, I've known Lame for a lot long time.
There's two different Lane Kiffins. There's a football Lane Kiffin
and then there's the at home Lane Kiffen. And I
think what you are seeing right now is football Lane Kiffin.
What he does on social media, how he handled himself
with the press. You guys all saw the press conference
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on Monday, the statement that he tweeted out, you know,
while he was at the Oxford Airport about the board
of playing the Baton Rouge, the interview he gave to
Marty Smith and shout out to my boy Marty for
all the hard work he was doing. That's that's football,
Lane Kiffin. I think that if you put him up
to a lot of detective test and really said, man,
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you know that you believe half the stuff you're saying,
he would fail, and he knew he would fail. So
that's how I'm getting at Like there, he he's like
a wrestling promoter, like he's almost like Vince McMahon, like
I'm being honest with you guys, like, well, maybe Vincent,
they had not the right person to put out there.
Ben's Derrick miss Off. That's probably a better one. He's
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gonna do everything he can to promote the program, promote
his brand, promote LSU now. And I think he did
a darn good job of that at Old Miss, guys
that he took Ole Miss the.
Speaker 4 (02:33:10):
Levels they hadn't been at in history.
Speaker 10 (02:33:14):
And I think that at the end of the day,
in five years, six years, you know, I know the
exit was bad. I know he left during a college
football playoff run. He's hoping that Old Myths fans are
gonna love him, and I'm just telling you guys, like
this is not going away. And if I could, I
go ahead and put my media credential in right now
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for that LSU Old Miss game next year in Oxford.
If I could, I've already booked a hotel for it.
So it's it's gonna be wild, and he's gonna be
remembered for leaving a team. And I'll be honest with you,
the perfect storyline for this one, and I.
Speaker 4 (02:33:46):
Think you would both agree.
Speaker 5 (02:33:48):
Old Myth goes on a.
Speaker 10 (02:33:49):
Run and at least plays for a national championship. Not
winning it, but at least plays for a national championship
would be just fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:33:56):
Half of America. I think he is rooted for that.
Speaker 3 (02:33:58):
Trey Wallace from out Kick fall on Twitter at Trey
Wallace underscore Trey, this is the first and definitely not
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Speaker 10 (02:34:13):
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Both of those things. BEFO.
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Speaker 6 (02:36:07):
They are But on Morning Drive here's Dan Matthews and
Cole Thompson.
Speaker 4 (02:36:14):
We can have a recap on Monday about the Mean
Green and what Eric Moore future, John Summer all head coaches.
Speaker 2 (02:36:21):
I'll watch the game. That's about as far as my
knowledge needs to go there, and I think most of
the audience probably feels the same way, and that's okay,
that's all good, all right. So the Rockets when last
Night one twenty one ninety five over the Sacramento Kings,
They're gonna get the Suns in town tomorrow night, Texans
back to work on the practice field.
Speaker 4 (02:36:37):
Do you want ultimate trolling or do you want sage advice? First?
Speaker 3 (02:36:43):
I would like to end the show with somebody feeling
like that they're just a sad sack of an individual.
Speaker 4 (02:36:48):
So give me the stage advice first, sage advice.
Speaker 2 (02:36:50):
So Jameis Winston, who was on TikTok, which it feels
like if there was a social medium that was made
for somebody, that this would be made for Jamis Winston.
Speaker 4 (02:36:59):
Follow him on TikTok. He's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:37:00):
So Jamis was at a New York subway station in
this video where he's got a little bit of a
mashup of music playing in the background, first of Billy
Joel's Piano Man and then also of Fleetwood Max Silver Spring.
And in the caption of it's him looking at an
incoming subway train. What the caption that says, in your twenties,
(02:37:21):
you will walk by the seafood section at publics.
Speaker 4 (02:37:23):
It is very important that you keep walking. I love
this guy. I love them like seriously, Like I can't
get enough of Jamus, like I want.
Speaker 2 (02:37:33):
I've never rooted for a guy's career to end so
much faster because of what I know his post football
career will be.
Speaker 3 (02:37:38):
What I have said on multiple occasions is I'm fine
if athletes want to have podcasts, I may or may
not subscribe to it. I will be the first subscriber
and a religious like we're seeing the Spotify wraps come
up this year, like the point zero one, which means
you listen to nearly every minute of every single word said.
Speaker 2 (02:37:53):
That will be me on a Jameis Winston podcast. Yeah,
that's me with Rogan and with Theovonne I will eat.
Speaker 4 (02:37:58):
Do you listen to Theovon? Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:37:59):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:38:00):
Theovon's great, he is I can't get into Rogan with him.
With Bobby Lee, I can probably get into Theovon. I
don't think I can get in a Rogan. I think
I'm just too late that THEO he's just so random.
I mean like bringing up cocaine use with the possible
vice president and he's like, yeah, totally not you me.
I love I love the story about how his dad died.
(02:38:21):
I know, it's just not a lot, dude. It's just
like it's like you know you you want red neck
and noess he's got you on that. THEO is awesome.
He's one of my favorites, all right, the ultimate trolling.
So we know that James Franklin is now at Virginia
Tech and uh, his former employer of Penn State tried
to get Kilani Sataki from BYU to come and join them,
(02:38:43):
and he decided to stay at BYU. And apparently a
huge reason for that was the CEO of Crumble Cookies
was a huge driving force by keeping him at BYU.
Speaker 4 (02:38:52):
Oh yeah, he loves he loves the Kuggers.
Speaker 2 (02:38:54):
So did you see maybe so who knows, I don't
know about his personal life, but did you see what
James Franklin served at the Virginia Tech National Signing Day
celebration yesterday?
Speaker 4 (02:39:06):
Crumble Cookies.
Speaker 2 (02:39:08):
That's to say that are so screwed you. You are
a disaster and you didn't have to get rid of me,
and you did. And now look at you, look at
no game plan, You have no moral pathway. You are
absolutely gonna suck next year. Enjoy Terry Smith. The idiots
see just trolling like that.
Speaker 4 (02:39:25):
It warms my heart. I am very fine with it,
as am I.
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He's Cole Thompson, Triple, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews, The Matt
Thomas Show with Ross coming up next.
Speaker 4 (02:39:33):
We will talk to you in twenty hours.
This is the Morning Drive with Dan and Cole.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And then Thompson takes it away back to Shangodle Eurostep
Is where the basketating two more points for twenty eight points,
ten rebounds Apparic Island Rockets with double doubles Shangun twenty
eight and ten Thompson twenty and twelve. The Houston Rockets
come back to downtown Houston inside Tota Center and grab
a convincing rackets win final score Rockets won twenty one
(00:38):
and the Kings ninety five. Oh the sweet sounds of
Matt Thomas on the call, and the Rockets return to
Toyota Center, and with that we say away we go
in good morning. Here It is the Morning Drive with
Dan and Cole, Dan Matthews, Cole Thompson, triple e, Emmanuel Elmore,
getting you going here on this saggy Thursday morning here
(00:59):
in the A and last night Cole. First half, yeah, yeah,
you know, not great. The shooting was not great, and
defensively same deal there where I mean, just the Rockets
kind of ho hum a little bit on the former
end and then the latter end still not that great either.
But then the second half you outscore Golden State or
(01:21):
excuse me, well team just up the road from Golden State,
Sacramento thirty six nineteen, thirty four, twenty four. So all
of a sudden, the Rockets, after I threw out the
tweet of man, they're just not shooting it right now
either they can't make it, you know, inside, outside, open,
not open, whatever it might be. And the second half
they said, hey, Dan, why don't you calm down a
(01:42):
little bit. Yeah, they shot fifty three percent overall in
the night. They shot sixty one overall on the second
half you mentioned at thirty six nineteen differential.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
They went on I think it was a nine to
zero run at the start of the third quarter. Start
third quarter. Again, here we are nitpicking a Rockets team
that currently is sitting at fourteen and five, with two
dues that had double doubles last night, three dudes that
hit over twenty points. He had a really good game
once again from Alburt chin Goon. Kevin Durant played thirty
two minutes.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
He was nine to sixteen from the field.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I'm at Thompson, dude, I mean, at least he started
a step on up more and more efficiently offensively. Eight
of eighteen from the field, twelve rebounds, nearly had a
triple double at one point.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Plus ten differential.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
We're complaining about little things against a team that had
no fight being in this game, and they clearly showed
why one roster is going to be considered a favorite
to go to the Western Conference Finals and the other
ones is the favor for the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, I mean, and that's the thing too, is you know,
obviously the Kings are without some bonus, they don't have
Dennis Shrewder right now. But still, I mean, that's a
team that's two to ten away from Sacramento, and you
handled them last night like they were another thing that
you didn't mention there and was a storyline the game
last night. Fifth most points in the paint in franchise history,
(02:53):
seventy eight last night. So well, not to leave it
up for you to go, oh, I appreciate that, I
appreciate it. It's it's a good double play turn right
there you you you hit me right the numbers that
I appreciate.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
With the assists, there we go, there you go right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, actually you don't say the numbers in baseball, you
say the letters hit you hit me writ in the
letters right there, So good on you.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I'm still gonna complain about one thing, and this is
where again seven one, two, five nine. If you want
shoun one in Rockets get the one twenty one ninety
five victory last night. This was such a fun team
to begin the year when it came to three point shooting.
The last four games they have been dreadful from downtown
and it's now becoming a trend of where Listen, I'm
(03:33):
not saying that every single night I need to see
you be hitting forty three percent. I'm not saying I
need to see Reed Shepherd, Joshakogi, Alpin Shingoon be efficient
from the three range. But when you're five of sixteen
and you're oh of eight to begin the game and
you only make two in.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
The second half, just it's very bothersome.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Because of it now something that I thought was gonna
be a massive strength of this team for the for
the entirety of the season. You gotta ask yourself, were
you just playing with fire at the start of the season,
because this is now the fourth game where you're shooting
under forty percent from downtown thirty one percent last night
in the loss against I mean the win against the
Jazz thirty five percent in the LAS against the Jazz
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twenty nine percent.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I think there's a couple of things in play here.
I think one, you're starting to get into the back
to back part of your schedule, and I mean, you know,
you had the back to back on Sunday and Monday
in Utah, and then you have a night off, which
it was funny, you know, I was watching the TV
side and Ryan Hollins even mentioned that was like, man,
they look like they are having to like knock off
some rust here.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I'm like, it's a day off. You only had one
day in between.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And you know, we were talking with Matt Thomas where
we asked him, hey, what time did you guys get back.
We got back at like four thirty Tuesday morning. It's like, oh, okay,
So I guess it's not really that much of an
off day because you know, you get back to the crib,
go to sleep, go to sleep for a little bit,
probably like wake up at noon, and then you know,
go about your day. So I get all of that,
you know. I think the other part of it too,
(04:59):
is you know you mentioned Reed Shepherd. He had him
off the bench last night. I'm not really sure.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I'm yoll yelling that guy right now.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I understand that you know, matchups dictate how you approach
the other team, but I mean, you know, going with
the starting five of Durant, Smith, Shingoun Okogie and Thompson,
I still think, no matter what, I'm keeping read Shepard
and that's starting spot right now.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Sure, but he played twenty eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
He was two or seven from the field, he was
one or two from the three point range. He had
a plus twenty two differential. He played really well when
it came to defensive rebounding. He had all six of
his rebounds came on the defensive side. So I mean,
right now you have him as the sixth man, you're
rotating him on him with Josha Koge. I'm not complaining
entirely about it, because right now we're starting to see
him kind of cool back off. He's no longer giving
(05:44):
you the efficient numbers offensively to where you feel you
got to be playing him thirty five minutes a night.
I do think that there are gonna be some matchups
where you do want to put him out there last times.
Not one of those games though, for me, because like again,
let's just call it as his. This is a crappy
Sacramento team. They're not good. You can say they want
to light the beam. They want to light their future
towards the number one overall pick. Like, that's what we're
(06:06):
talking about this point for this Rockets Rosser, I view
them right now as if we got to get Kobe's
some more minutes, because if we gotta feel comfortable about
our depth, fine, I'm.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Cool with that. It's the games when you face.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Off against like let's say Golden State. It's the games
when you take on Phoenix this week on Fridays. The
games to where you go ahead and you face off
against Dallas, you face off against Denver, you face off
against the Lakers on Christmas Day.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
That's where I want to see the man's for Reid.
That's where I want to see more consistency from Reid.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's where I want to see Reid in the starting
lineup because I want to know that I'm building around
my former number.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Three overall pick.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
But like last night, I'm not gonna be complaining like
like I think he started one, did he start both
the games for the Jazz or did.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
He start just one? I believe he started both of them.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Okay, So like again, if you're gonna have him start
against one crappy team, you can give him a night
off to where he's coming off the bench.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
He still played twenty eight minutes.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I mean we're talking about he played almost the he
played almost sixty percent of the.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Game last night.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
I'm not sitting here and picking apples or oranges.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You can go ahead and say, well, he wasn't with
the starters. He still played valuable minutes and offensively still
not a lot one is white.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, I mean you were able to empty out the
entire bench. I mean it's one of those that it's
usually a good night, especially I mean the way the
Rockets have played this year when you get Jeff Green,
Jay Shawn Tate and JD. Davison coming off the bench
for you and getting some end of game minutes. But
the Rockets, I saw this last night, the most twenty
(07:31):
plus point wins this season. So it's not just that
they're beating teams. They're physically manhitting. Oh they're soundly kicking
the crap out of them.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And that's a good thing because you want to know
what that says You're right there alongside every other great
organization currently in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Another thing I said last night too, and I think
it absolutely holds right now, is that even with some
of the things, I mean, I feel like it's nitpicking at.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
This point, Oh, we're being very spoiled here.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And the thing that you know, I also couched it with,
you know and saying what I said is I said,
it's early December. Like, I'm good with these things being
an issue in early December because I feel like some
of the other things are completely outweighing. I mean, the
points in the paint last night. This is a team
that rebounds incredibly well. This is the team that at
(08:18):
their core is very physical and defensive minded. So I
think that you will still have those in your back pocket.
And oh, by the way, even getting some good news
yesterday that help is on the way.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Dori any Phinny Smith? When's he when's his first game back? Officially?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
They at least what I saw was January is what
there is what they're looking for.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
So he's starting to ramp it up right now.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, so that'll be you know, I mean, he's got
to probably go through conditioning.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I mean, with that ankle.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
He probably hasn't really been able to do a ton
of conditioning, and then you got to get him on
the floor. You got to get him in five and fives.
I mean, you've got to try to build him back
up to game shape as much as you can. And
that's probably still gonna be another month. I mean, we're
probably talking February until we see him fully used to
the capability for you know why he was brought here.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Is this gonna be like one of those things where
it's the Jake Myers Jeremy Pangya. You think that they're
almost ready to come on back, and then you see
them come on back and then they go right back
on the il.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Is Is that what we're gonna deal with her? God?
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I hope not, man, I pray to God. Let's just
let's just hope that's that's an a thing.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Okay, okay for me, what I will say before we
move on to other subjects. By the way, seven one, three,
two two, five, seven ninety, if you have your thoughts
on the rockets, what I really just seem frustrated is
again you are able to win at the with the
most twenty.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Point differential wins.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You gotta hope that Oklahoma City eventually kind of crafts
the bed, like they come back down to reality. They
won their last ten, they're on a thirteen game win streak,
they're twenty one and one. Like you're just basically playing
in the shadows of whatever Sga Hartenstein and Chet Holgerm
are doing right now, and they're the champions like like that,
like that's.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Really it, so like you're not We're.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Not even able really to truly celebrate what this team
has been able to accomplished through eighteen games nineteen games
this year, because you're so five and a half back
from the first place in the Western Conference. They're slightly
behind Los Angeles. Don't worry, they'll come back down to reality.
As a joke, but Oklahoma City is still the team
to beat, and they look like that they may be
better than what they were last season. Yeah, and then
(10:18):
even fully healthy. That's the other part. They're finally just
starting to game back some traction.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, I mean, and I think that's also a huge
reason why the Rockets made some of the moves they
did this offseason to try to improve outside shooting, but
also to add length to go against what Oklahoma City
brings you.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I mean, that's the whole.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Thing is when you're in chase mode of somebody, well,
then you try to make your organization as close to
them as possible or even you know, as dangerous to
them as possible. And that's what Rafelstone in the Rockets
tried to do this offseason, and for the most part,
it's paid off. I mean, you know, like I said,
I mean, you know, we're picking knits here about a
(10:57):
team that's nine games over five hundred and team and
five overall.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know what's interesting is that we just had the
actual standings just completely straight on up, like, hey, who's
gonna be wearing a sixteen pecking order?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Rockets would be the four seed.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
They would also be the number two seed in the
Eastern Conference if they just moved over sides. Because Detroit's
the only team that's doing anything. Can you even tell
me where the next team in the Eastern Conference ranks
among all teams in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Behind the Rockets. I don't know the Orlando Magic. No,
it's Toronto Raftors. That should tell you everything.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Dan Matthews about how bad the Eastern Conference is with
Scardie Barnes roster is finding a way to be sitting
here at fifteen and seven.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, look, I'd much rather be callous to heading into
the playoffs than to be going in and then you.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Know, it's a blood letting in the wild.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Much rather be the number one seed and a guaranteed
shoe in to go to the finals.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
And this is a statement for any team in.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
The Western Conference, not just the Rockets, any team for
the Western Conference named Los Angeles, Houston, San Antonio, Denver,
and I'll even go as far as to say probably Minnesota.
They're gonna be number one of the Eastern That.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Was the king.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I think a part of it though at the Eastern
Conference is I mean, you know, you've also got to
thrown the cave out of Boston being without Jason Tatum.
And then you know, also you know Indianapolis being without
Indiana being without Haliburton.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Well, Milwaukee can be without one of their star players
very soon that they could.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You're leading right into it, because well, the conversations already
being had. And when that's the case, what could the
Rockets be involved. We will discuss as we're just getting
going here. On a Thursday, it is the morning Drive
with Dan and Cole sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 6 (12:33):
The Morning Drive with Dann and Cole on Sports Talk
seven ninety, home of the Strolls, Rockets, and Houston's best
sports talk.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
We stepped aside up momentarily Yanna Santa Cumpo and his
agent sitting down to Milwaukee Bucks to discuss their future and,
according to Sham Sharania, discussing what is the best fit.
Is that staying or is it moving somewhere else? A
source telling Shiranya on Wednesday, a resolution in his talks
expected in the coming weeks, which will shape whether or
(13:06):
not Anti Koumpo is made available ahead of the February
fifth trade deadline. Now here's the thing is, we like
to do hypotheticals all the time. We like we like
to do, you know, the the verbal version of the
trade machine, to see if it works. I think that
it is absolutely would include some form of shingoon. It
(13:30):
would include a men Thompson, and it would probably even
include like Jabari Smith Junior or somebody like that. Like,
if you're Milwaukee, you're in a position right now where
you're just saying, hey, look we we can sit on him.
He's fine, he's under contract. We don't have to move
him anywhere, and if you do move him, well, then
you're expecting to get something in return that at least
(13:50):
you don't have to have a hard reset, that you
can have enough of a reset where maybe you take
a little bit of a step back in the interim,
but then eventually you're able to take a step forward.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Milwaukee is ten and thirteen in the Eastern Conference right now.
They would, if the season ended today, be the number
ten seed in the Eastern Conference. They'd be in the
play in if they were able to win against Cleveland
and then some Am'm gonna win over Atlanta or Philadelphia.
They're in the playoffs with a losing record. Dan, That's
how easy the Eastern Conference is right now. So basically,
(14:23):
whoever you're training for, you're trying to bring in enough
pieces to where at least you're staying in the competitive
nature of landing some spot in the Eastern Conference playoffs. Okay,
you give up Amar, you go Jabari, you give up
by Men, you give up Alprin, you give a three
first round picks, you give it probably a future draft
lottery pick, whatever that may be. That's a team that
(14:44):
can actually still be very competitive in the Eastern Conference
and you get you get y honest, Okay, let's just
be real. You get Yannis. You're paying up along Stadeer Katie.
That is a front court mismatch nightmare. That is a
great field goal percenting.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
To each shooting presenting team.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That is a team that has two of the biggest superstars.
When they're at their peak, they may be the best
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
That's a big asking price to give away.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
And believe me, this is why you never see these
type of blockbuster deals go on as often as you
do in the regular season, and it feels like they
got to do in the off season because that is.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
A major, major, out of ludicrocy.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Type of compensation that you're gonna have to pay for
Giannis with a thirty seven year old Kevin Durant. I
mean like, there comes a point where Rockets fans I
understand that you want to go ahead and get better
and you want to have the superstar of all superstars.
I want to be competitive when both of them retire
or at least when Katie's done in two years.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Do you want know how you do that?
Speaker 3 (15:43):
You don't let go of Aman Thompson and Jabari Smith
and Oprin shing Goon. You can let go two of them.
You look go of all three in all of your
draft pics too, just to bring in Giannis. Dude, you're
basically done after this small regime little run I'm sorry,
like I don't see him yet and moved for simply
that reason. And it's not Houston, it's anywhere, Like, why
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would a team be willing to mortgage its entire future
for a guy who they know is under contract for
the next few years. But you're giving up what has
to be one of the largest ransoms we would see
in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
He's in his age thirty season right now, and this
season he is do fifty four just over fifty four
million dollars, and the next year do about fifty eight
and a half million. And then he's got a player
option in twenty seven, which more than likely he would
opt out of to get more money and probably would
get more money, and then unrestricted free agent in twenty eight.
(16:39):
So conceivably you could do a deal like this and
get him for two years, because I mean, the way
the Rockets are right now, I would not see Jannis
coming here and saying, yeah, you know what, maybe a
year and then I'm gonna, you know, go ahead and
just move on from here. And just doesn't seem like
the Rockets would do business that way. You're you're bringing
him in here. You're bringing him in here with the
express purpose of no, no, no, no, we're keeping you here.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
You're telling you're doing exactly what to do with KD. Hey,
I'm coming in. I have one year in my contract
now you don't yeah three yeah, right, yeah, you're extended,
whether you like it or not. You know, actually he
would like it, because you know, he'd be going well
above what he's making right now. But it's just also
too I mean, you asked me this six months ago,
and I say, dude, absolutely do the deal. Like you
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love Alprin Shingoon, but love Giannis Santa Cumpo even more well,
Like do you remember the trade packers that was like
being flowed around earlier this year when it came to
Giannis Jalen Green, Alprin Shingoon Read Shepherd, first round pick
in twenty twenty five, first round pick in twenty twenty seven,
future first round pick.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean the draft pick part doesn't necessarily matter, because
I mean, the Rockets are to the point where the
draft lottery is not going to matter as much for them.
And I mean it's also I mean we've seen it
from the draft. Maybe you get a player or two
for the entire draft that can make a difference. Well,
what everybody else you're fitting in the roles? You can
go find those guys.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Like what I'm trying to say is that when it
was offer, it feels so bad because you still had
Amen Thompson, you still had Jabari Smith. Not to be
completely transparent, this was also before the rumors of Kevin
Durant come to Houston right prolifics. So you'd have to
trade away probably Jabari and Dylan Brooks in a deal
in those first round picks to getting Kat, but you
still keep Amen Thompson.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
And that's kind of the whole premise of this thing.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
If you gotta get rid of shan Gun to go
bring in Yannis, I can live with that. If you
got to go move Jabari Smith to go bringing Giannis,
I'm okay with that. I think Reed Shepherd is going
to end up being a very quality player in the
Rockets uniform and a very quality player in the NBA.
But if you've got to go move him to go
get Yiannis, and let's say you can sign to a
long term extension four or five years after this, so
you've really gotten for six years. I'm okay with that.
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Pair him with Katie. It's the Amen Thompson part. I'm
just it's a non negotiable right now. Back to back seasons,
slow starts. Once you get ramped on up into the
month of November December, you're watching him become one of
the more fluid rising stars in this game, and you
can I'm locked up for ten to fifteen years. I'm
much rather that than what you get with three or
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four years with be honest, and you gotta throw.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Them in the deal. See.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, I think that the Shingun part of it.
You know that you were mentioning about the trade package
that was being you know, at least down out there,
and like I said, I mean, we'd like to do
the hypotheticals all the time. Was more about Jalen Green,
just because I just I think Rockets fans were done
with them. I think that it was you were done
with the inconsistency. You appreciated when he would give you
the thirty plus performance games and you're like, Okay, is
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this the guy like has he unlocked something? As he
found something? And then the following game it was just
more or less. I think that people were just tired
of the Oh, he's getting blitzed, he's all these other things.
It's like you're missing the point here. That's not what's
supposed to happen. Like, even if he quote unquote gets blitzed,
he's supposed to still find a way to factor with
fifteen and twenty, like like that's that's what he's supposed
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to do.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I just look at the from the standpoint of.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Why are you really going to be able to give
on up to where it feels like you were not
just going all in for the next two years and
then hadn't hit reset and didn't you just hit the
reset button by going out and getting guys like Amen Thompson,
Gett Jabari Smith, getting Jayalen Green to help you rebuild
this franchise in the right way, and now you have
all that compensation to where you're going to be able
to move off of players to bring in superstar names.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
But that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
You bring in the superstars, they want something in return,
which means that you end up losing either compensation or
you end up losing players or here long term.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Here's the thing though, too, I don't think that you're
in the same position that you were years ago when
you did the experiment with James Harden and Russell Westbrook
and then coming out of it, you know, Westbrook, you
shipped him off somewhere else, and then Harden was he
didn't want to be here anymore because he saw what
was coming. I think that now, with what you've built
up with depth, is that you can take a swing
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like this and still you're not going to be as deep,
but you're not going to be in dire straits either.
You're going to be a team that's still going to
be very good and one of the best in the
Western Conference.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
The problem that I think right now that you have
to ask yourself is who else is in the market
for a guy like Yiannis. I can tell you the
first scene san Antonio, San Antonio is are gonna pair
somebody alongside with Victor. They want to have the wemby
doing they want to have the combination downtown in San
Antonio for the long term. So it feels like that's
a move to where that could alter your positioning in
the Western Conference, which again it sucks, But if you
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want to take that calculated risk if you're San Antonio,
because if you have a new regime with no more
Pop as your head coach, you got mits Chopson running
the program, and you got a lot of young picture
and you're gonna still continue to have a lot of
picks that are rising up and comers, and they could
probably utilize the minutes more. And you can get rid
of a Stefan Castle, you can get rid of a Bailey,
you can get rid of some of your debt pieces.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
But like I look at it from the rocket standpoint,
I just am not willing to part ways with Aman Thompson.
I'll tell you right now. I feel like that's a
non negotiable in the deal. And so like that's where
the elevation turns to. Okay, if I gotta get rid
of a guy that I believe can be a franchise
cornerstone for the next decade, I'd better win a championship
or I'm gonna look foolish, ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
I just I think the thing with Thompson, though, too,
is that you could be running into a situation where
you can't pay everybody. I mean, I I that's the
one I'm paying though, I mean, and you wouldn't be
wrong in doing that. I'm just saying that, you know,
that would be something that comes up in the discussions
with Rafel and his staff of you know, are we
gonna be able to afford him? We're gonna be able
to afford paying you know, Katie these final two years,
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are we gonna be able to afford alprin Shingoon? Where
I mean, you know, you sign him the extension last offseason,
but I mean, the way he's playing right now, I'm
sure that ask is going to happen again pretty soon
of hey, you know, we we appreciate the pay bump,
but my guy's out performing said pay bump. Now, you know,
let's let's talk about, you know, rewarding the next pay bump.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Okay, but if you're rewarding that pay bump also just
to land Yiannis and guarantee that you feel pretty comfortable
with him being a part of your organization long term.
He's going to get a pay bump fourteen that he's
yet to play for. And sometimes I understand the risk,
like like Katie perfect example, Katie's couldn't close out his
career here in Houston. He's not going on anywhere else.
It's not like, oh, Philadelphia's call on him at age
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forty one, you want to go ahead and lay it
on up for one more season. No, he's done at
this point, and he's earned enough equity to realize I
can be a difference maker where I'm not the number
one every single night, but I get to be a
part of a really good rising organization.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I'll sign the deal. Yanna's at thirty.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
He could be in the league for another ten years
if he wants to, but he's yet to show me
anything in Houston where I want to give him a
signed contract on the dotted line to watch his alprhinggund
I could pay probably same price for be locked in
for the next eight or nine years, and maybe it's
not going to be at the same level of superstardom
or impact, but it still could allow me to build
really good foundational spots around him to what he does.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Feel like I am a more balanced corps.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Because if I am willing to go ahead and pay
marginally over the market price for certain players, then really
overspent on one guy that I'm pairing alongside with the thirty
seven year old other guy to when when he retires
in three years. I got to hope that Gianni's is
going to be able to deliver by himself, and we're
gonna have to hit reset in a lot of the
depth purposes.
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seven ninety is the numb cole. The Chiefs are dangerous now,
I know yesterday we started to have a lot of
belief of yeah they're not so bad.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah you're right, they're dangerous.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
But don't say that to Demico Ryans, because Demiko Ryans
agrees with you.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
We know the Chiefs are a really good team. Sorry,
next opponents.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So we're fired up, you know, for the matchup, excited
to go play a really good team.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I probably should have faished my comment leap mid is
what I was gonna go with, dangerously mid.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
They're not a good team.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, I mean that's I I and Demiico I think
even kind of backed you up on that a little
bit to me.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Go say it with more gusto vibrato.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Demiko. On their physical team, we know that they're afraid
to fight. We know that they're dominant. They've been winning
in the trenches. They've been exceptional on third down efficiency.
Their quarterback is not getting hit left and right. They
can run the football. We know that this is gonna
be a matchup. Yeah, they're a dangerous team, man, hey man, Dan,
I think that you you have just a fantastic smile
and personality just exactly. I'm I'm putting it this way, man,
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just so that way, you know, like excited.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
There is nothing worse, honestly than when somebody in football
talks about a player They're like, oh, he's got a
great smile. I'm like, what does that have to do
with anything.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
He's got an award winning spot, which means you can
trust him. You can.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
You can trust him, you can you can town and
leave your dog there and trust me he'll he'll watch
it better than like Kevin watch years.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
All right, Well, I mean if I need a dog walker,
or if I need somebody to sell me insurance, then
I'll count on them. But guess what I want to
count on a defensive player for being physical? Guess what
I want to count on an offensive player for knowing
their assignment, knowing how to run routes. That's what That's
what I want to count on somebody for. But I
think that he's handling this the right way, honestly. I mean,
you know, I know that we joked about the brevity
(26:39):
of his response, but I mean this is a team
that I think kind of looks at the situation that
they're in, and they're very much and pretty much the
same boat. Not pretty much, they are in the same
boat as as the Chiefs. They need to win as
many games as possible because now you're trying to get
past two teams in your own division and at least
two or three teams in the wild card race to
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be able to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
And this is a team too.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I mean, remember after the Monday Night lost to the Seahawks,
we played the audio from Titus Howard talking about how
there was a little bit of complacen scene.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Wait,
wait a minute, what's that word you just said?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Like, you guys are two games under five hundred, How
the hell can you be complacent? What the hell gives
you the right to be complacent?
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well, I'll go step further, and if you win this one,
it once again shows that you're at least trending up
word toward being in that contention category of AFC front runners.
Like again, look at the schedule, and this is where
I will push back all the time with Texans fans
saying that they're seven to five. Yes, they have put
themselves in a very good position to go on a
run to close out twenty twenty five and make the
playoffs for the third straight year. But let's just go
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through your wins. Tatasy Titans or Seem in the NFL.
Baltimore Ravens. They had the worst defense for the first
six weeks of the season because everyone was on the
ir say Francs, justs go forty nine ers. Okay, I
will give you that one, very very very good win.
Jacksonville Jaguars. They're a joke. They will come back to
reality at some point, or they're just somehow funneling away
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with full scold Tennessee Titans or Seem in the NFL
Buffalo Bills. Injured on the defense, injured on the offensive line.
Really they have one element that works in their favor
or running the football with James Cook and Josh Allen.
You were able to contain both them for the most
of the afternoon. He got seven sacks. Indianapolis Colts stop
Jonathan Taylor win the football game. I know what I'm
getting in Kansas City, because if it's a primetime matchup
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with their franchise quarterback, who's won multiple Super Bowls and
never been in this situation before. So he's playing like
a rabid dog trying to make sure that he guarantees
that he survives another day in the wild. This is
a game to where you start to figure out how
good Houston can be if they're able to show on
up in a place that they haven't won in the
Demigo Ryant's era.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
This is also one of those two as you were talking,
it just came to mind, and it's the Astros and
Mariners comparison here could you be the Mariners here where
the comparisons all the time are made between the Chiefs
and the Astros. I know that the you know that
the Texans have made the playoffs the last couple of years,
they've won the division, so it's not that part of
the comparison, but it's a little bit of hey man,
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we really got to handle business against these guys because
we know they're not gonna lay down because they're fighting
for their playoff lives. But I mean, the Astros have
a chance, or excuse me, the Texans have a chance
to be what the Mariners were in that final series
here of Okay, look, you guys are on the ropes. Well,
we'll go ahead and put you off the ropes because
we're gonna put you on the mat.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Much like the Astro I mean yeah, much like the Astros.
The Kancity Chiefs are dealing with the slow of injuries
on both the offensive line, the wide receivers, core the
defensive line. This is not a healthy team that's rolling
on into Sunday night. And that may be a reason
why when we look back at the season, despite knowing
what Kansas City could have been, much like Houston, the
injuries derailed enough to where they weren't in the playoff
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patrol together.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
And that's very much a possibility.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
But again, for me, what this really comes down to
is you never won in Arrowhead in the Demico Ryants era.
You've never won with CJ. Stroud in Arrowhead and the
Deminico Ryan's era. You struggle to be able to go
toe to toe with teams that are viewed as potentially
the number one roster in the AFC in the Demico
Ryans era. And yeah, you're six and six, But I'll
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continue to say this until I'm blue in the face.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Guys, they have the secret weapon.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
They got a three time MVP and a three time
Super Bowl champion at the starting quarterback that just needs
two minutes to turn a drive from being oh my god,
we're about ready to lose to how the hell are
we surviving every single week they did all last season.
The scriptwriter said, hey, let's give them a win over Denver.
Let's give them a win over Los Angeles despite trailing
all the way up to the fourth quarter. Josh Allen
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had the perfect game a few years ago and said, hey,
thirteen seconds still too much time for drobt for Patrick Mahomes.
That's what you have there. So the entire enigma about
who you are as a franchise is going to be
very much on display Sunday Night. And also you're the
primetime standalone game, so everyone's gonna be paying attention to
what you were doing alongside Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Well.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
C J.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Stroud obviously gonna be somebody that can factor very much
in the Texans hopefully winning Sunday Night in at Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Not so great last.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Week, but when we expect better this week. We're gonna
let you hear what the quarterback has to say about that.
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Speaker 6 (32:46):
They are on Morning Drive. Here's Dan Matthews and Cole Thompson.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
You know, they made some of the moves at the deadline,
and you're kind of like, it seems like you're shuffling
the chairs here, uh Jerry, Like it doesn't really seem
like there's gonna be much that helps you out here.
But no, it's looking like especially too with the way
that they're playing lately. You beat the Eagles, you win
last week, and now a chance, I mean, you get
to win the night. Then Cowboys are firmly in the
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in the wildcard picture in the NFC.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
They are congratulations to Dak Prescott and Brian Schottenheimer and
the newcomers that came on into the building, and George
Pickens and and Ceedee Lamb and this offensive line and
literally anybody else besides Jerry Jones's gonna take full credit
on how this team was able to respond and get
it all together.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
And he was the smartest man in the room.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And firing Mike McCarthy was always my idea and making
sure that I was going to make the right higher
That was all on me, because that's what.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Jerry Jones does.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
He can only go ahead and take credit for when
things are actually going his way. He can never take
criticism for when things are actually going wrong. But how
congratulates Jerry. I hope, I hope the Detroit Lions beat
the living breaks out of you, so that way you
can take some accountability for sucking so much.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
All right? CJ. Stroud was I guess we could say
he was good.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
He wasn't great In his most recent start since coming
back from the concussion, missing the last three games yes
twenty two to thirty five. An interception two hundred and
seventy six yards, so it was fine. But even I
mean by his own admission after the game, knocking off
a little bit of rust CJ. Meaning with the media
yesterday over at an RG and talking about this game
against the Chiefs, talking about trying to build off that
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last performance all around.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
All those things you want to clean up. So just communication, execution,
you know, all the little things, full work, you know,
ball placement, all this can you know, tweak things to
get better, so you know, just get better as weeks
go on.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
All right, So two things right there that you know
we have we obviously know, two prime examples of what
he's talking about, the communication, the motion, penalties, the illegal formations,
things like that, where it's just like, come on, man,
like this is year three.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
These things are still happening with you.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I mean, they'll happen from time to time, but I mean,
I think you know, we go back to I can't
remember what game it was, it might have been Tennessee
last year, where you had the illegal motion, two guys
in motion towards the snap as the ball was being snapped,
and it took away a massive game, maybe even a
touchdown at that point. But it was something that it
kept him from winning the game, and you're just kind
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of like, all right, year two, that shouldn't be happening.
Then the footwork part of it, where I mean he
was damn near three yards in front where he threw
the ball down the field of the line of scrimmage,
where you're just kind of like, how does that happen?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, the prestat penalties is not just on him, it's
on the offensive line in general. So I mean, you
can't have ownership if you're CJ and Titus Howard jumps early.
You can't take the ownership and the accountability of Juice
Scruggs wants to go ahead and make a quick little move,
or if Blake Fisher doesn't report himself.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
As eligible, that's on them.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
The things that I wonder about is CJ had a game,
had a couple throws if you look back in the
second and third quarter where it felt like that he
was just a hair. I think that's what he means
by stepping stones. We're talking about a guy who added
completion percent around sixty two point nine percent and two
hundred and seventy six yards. He overshot Nico Collins twice
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on deep balls downfield. It's little things like that that
would have led to us talking about you with a
sixty seven percent completion rating, three hundred and forty five
yards and two touchdown passes. Those are the things that
we got to see and work on a little bit more.
And again, I said this on Monday, I'll say it again.
I don't really care. First game back in almost a month.
I don't expect you to be perfect. I don't expect
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you to be the reason why your team is now
going and winning multiple drives and figuring out how to
be able to put up thirty. I'm not expecting that.
What I am expecting is that you are putting the
ball in the right placement to be able to continue
moving drives downfield. And for the most part, there were
some prominent throws. There also were some really really, oh
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my god, we have a moment. It feels like Nick
Cayley's play design looks fantastic. It feels like that everything
is being put together. Everything looks like it's humming. And
because of an air at pass, because of an overshot,
because of a pressure that you're waiting to have the
defensive lineman coming to your face to make the play,
you're now costing your team points phrasing. I know I
(37:17):
heard it, phrasing you roll with the punches, Damn Matthews, just.
Speaker 8 (37:20):
Go buy it.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Yeah, I mean I adult act like it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Well, I mean, I'm not even sure I know what
you're talking about on either front, but I think I think, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Boy, we're just rolling right into him this morning, aren't we?
Six fifty four Tripoli? Remember that?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But I think that you know, from from CJ's perspective,
it is a little bit alarming, and it is a
little bit concerning where again, it's your three, Like, you know,
you're you're supposed to see a pretty precipitous you know,
jump from year one the year two, and I think
we saw a little bit of a leveling out last year.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Like, is there a little bit of a.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Concern with you that this is kind of continuing into
year three? And I get it, it's this first game
back in three weeks, but still, I mean, it's not
like you can just discount it. Cole.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Are you asking me, is the concern that he will
never get back to what he did is r key year?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yes, yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
But at the same time I thought it was malpracticed
by Houston people. I thought was malpracticed by the national media.
I thought that it was definitely a red herring that
everyone puts CJ. Shroud at the number six quarterback in
the NFL after Hurky season, or the number seven quarterback,
and that guy can't it can be a can't miss
you have one data point of a year. Like I
personally understand what people said. I've used CJ. Stroud closer
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to Jared Goff and Dak Prescott than to Josh Allen,
b Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. And you know what,
you can win with the guy in Dak Prescott. You
can win with the Jared Goff. You can win with
the quarterback like CJ. Stroud, the difference between the two.
You got to be able to have a great supporting cast,
and a great supporting cast isn't just in terms of
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wide receivers. It's having an a leak defense that's been able
to bail you out of trouble. It's having an offensive
line that's going to keep you upright, and it's having
a play caller that's gonna put you in a position
to where you know that you're only going to see
continuous growth, and I do think that some of those
things are there, But then you also gotta worry about
the mental mistakes.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
I mean, like WEX brought this up. I'll say it again.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
One of the two sacks that was given up last
week is not on the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
That was on CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
That was on him stepping into the pocket and waiting
for something to unveil downfield. And that's something that we're
now I'm worried about because we're going into year three,
We're going into thirty starts, and he hasn't changed that much.
He hasn't changed about his game plan, and that's something
that can be very dire towards him finding a way
to be able to stay healthy for a full season.
Because also remember Dan, this is not the first time
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that he misses as miss games in a career.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
You know what he all in, you know, talking about
him taking sacks.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
You know what it almost reminds me of is us
getting upset with Jiner for stop swinging at that pitch.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Stop swinging at it. With CJ.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
It's him darting back about ten yards and then taking
a sack. It's like, stop going backwards like you know
what it was. Stop if you're going if you're going
to get sacked, get sacked laterally, stop doing it.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
You know what was really pissed me off back in
the time when we had a quarterback here who now,
who's gotten clear to enter a twenty one day window,
even though he's never playing football again. Everyone blamed the
offensive line. Everyone would say it's the offensive line's fault.
They're not able to keep him upright. If you look
back at some of the numbers in those games, the
negative yes, yeah, sack yardages is because of what he
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was doing, and it's eerily similar to what CJ's doing,
where it could be for a loss of fourteen yards
on the entire afternoon, it's a loss of forty four
yards because of how far he's moving back and you're
going back eleven, you're going back to eleven, you're going
back fourteen, you going back eight, you're going back seven.
It's a problem. It is a massive problem that needs
to be fixed.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Well, maybe for the Texans defense on Sunday, there could
be blood in the water.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
What exactly could that blood be from?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
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Dylan Brooks and companies, So I'm sure that dB will
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last time I think he got booed when he went
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I think that Dylan was very well thought of here,
so he's probably got that working for him.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
He gave Katie and Neil. I think that's already a
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we can land a future Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, I appreciate it bud all right.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
So the Texan justay is they went through practice, had
a handful of guys who did not participate. Will Anderson
Junior with a chest and shouldered, Deniko Autry which he's
been a usual Wednesday absence, Kamari Lasta with a foot
what he marks with an ankle, Jalen Reid with the forearm,
although it looks like, you know, we're waiting to see
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if he's going to be out for the long term.
Tim Settle Junior with the foot, and those are in
asis Al Shaier with limited participation. All good though for
the most part, because Demiko ryans afterwards in the press
conference saying, you know, see how the week goes, but
we those guys be fine. So for the most part,
that's going to be the case. But it's not necessarily
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the case for Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City, full participant yesterday,
but a knee after recently being on the injury report
with a groin injury. So Cole, as I mentioned, it's
Texans defense, there are a bunch of sharks right now.
I mean you are jaws. You are on the boat
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with Quint, You're throwing hum in the water and all
of a sudden, Josh just sticks his head out of
the water, and you're like, you know, Roy Hobbs is like,
oh my god, what the hell just happened.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I think they're more like Piranha three D. Just throw
something in their way and just set them alive.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Boy, I'll tell you what. That would be an awful
way to go. Have you ever seen that movie?
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I haven't, and I can only imagine, you know, because
piranhas I would say that, you know, of all the
things to be worried about. And there was a buddy
of mine that we had this conversation years ago where
he was like, I'm willing to go into the ocean.
I know my opponents. I'm not willing to go in
the lakes and rivers because I don't know my opponent.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
I don't really I'm completely opposite on that one, dude.
I am full on opposite. You will never catch me
in the ocean. You can catch me going down to
wherever any single weekend. I'll be condemned.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I mean I I can see it from both ways.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
But like, one of my biggest fears of the way
to go is like whenever you know, having an intercontinental
flight and you have to go over the ocean as
I'm like, we went down right now, nobody would get us. Yeah,
you know you're done, You're done fishing. I mean this
is this is like, this is the way that I
would go Mission Malaysian Flight three nineteen.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
You want to go No, No, I don't. I don't
want it that way. I mean why.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
You probably aliens at that point. Well, I mean, look
if if you know, if life changes there. But regardless
with Patrick Mahomes, you know where like I said, I mean,
he's got the groin, he's got the knee, he's clearly
not healthy. I mean, I know he's going through practice,
and I think that this guy is trying to will
this team as much as possible. Again, another Astros Chiefs
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comparison like his, is he the jose al Twov right
now where you found out that al twove this year
and in twenty eighteen was a little banged up at
the end of the season, that it's for him. He
realizes we've got no shot without me, We've got somewhat
of a shot with me. Oh grin and Barrett's and
if that's the case, and you've got a somewhat hobbled
Patrick Mahomes. This defense has to be just has to
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be loaded for Sunday.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Noah, both defense well, I mean, let's look at it
from both sides. You know, both defenses need to be
able to show on up because you need to get
the ball back to Mahomes in short field territory against CJ.
Stroud in this offensive line. But on the flip side, yeah,
if you're Houston, you're feasting like you're salving at the lips.
You're about ready to go into the buffet. And you
know that right now there is prime rid that is
very thin, that is at the end of the table.
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You want to push your way past. Everybody, move out
of the way. Grandma, Hey Timmy, don't I don't care,
you're five. Who cares about you? You can have it later
on in life. You are feasting to get to Patrick Mahomes.
That is the entire premise of this game. But I
will also say it's not that you need Patrick Homes
to be elite in this matchup for you don't win
because if they still have a very good defense, it's
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not an elite defense when it comes to passers, but
they're still creating plays, they're still holding teams out of
the red zone.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
They're forcing a lot of field goals.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
You aren't wrong on the standpoint of much like nos
Al tub you don't have a quarterback, you don't have
a shot. I mean, who's back at quarterback right now
out in Kansas City.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
Well, I'm on the spot. I gotta look that up.
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Yeah, Mark, so you're not part of the research team.
It's okay, No, I mean, yeah, that's just the thing.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
You did what like what a buddy of mine in
the industry, All right, Well, so there you go. I
mean he said, what's what's the line in the game?
I'm like, how about like lead me into it a
little bit before you ask me that question. It's okay,
it's all right, it's fine, just projecting a little bit.
It's not your fault. Coal, seems like it is my fault.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
No, it's morning. It's not. You were the projection, you
were not the target.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
So again, Gardner, Minshew, do you think that he can
lead you down the stretch even if you were to
win this game? Because Mahomes gets hurt to victories over
the Chargers, the Titans, the Broncos, and the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (47:03):
So got one.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
He's a guy I mean he's a guy with starting experience.
I mean, and he's a guy look in fairness, a
couple of years ago, damn Near led the Colts to
the playoffs. I mean when he took over, you're thinking
to yourself, back of the quarterback?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I mean almost to the point where the Colts were like,
do we bring this guy back? Because I mean, you know,
we don't know just how good Anthony Richardson can be,
because I mean we haven't seen him. We saw him
for a game and a half and then I mean
you saw pretty quickly that Indianapolis afterwards was like.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
Oh, well, you know, not so sure about this guy. So,
I mean, he's not a pushover.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
But at the same time, though it is a backup
quarterback going up against the best defense in the league.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
But at the same time, look at what happened with
Garner Mins. She left Shane s.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Dyden's offense. He went over to Las Vegas and immediately
was benched because of he was so terrible. Now he's
a backup quarterback for the Kansa Chiefs because of they
don't want him in the starting lineup.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Like again, if you were to say let's say you
had the three game stretch with Houston where CJ.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Shauw gets knocked on.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Now, who are you taking, Garner Minshew or Davis Mills.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
Uh, that's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
I don't think so I'm taking Davis.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
And I love Minshew mania, I love the long hair,
I love what he was at Washington State, I love
the Mike Leach got homage all the time. But I'm
telling you from the standpoint of what I'm gonna get
and what I know I need to win, Davis Mills
gives me a better shot.
Speaker 5 (48:24):
Well.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
We also know though too.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I mean it takes a lot to get Mahomes out
of a game because I mean remember a couple of
years ago, rolls the ankle, dealing with the ankle all
throughout the Super Bowl run, and I mean, just you know,
somebody that is a gamer, he will not come off
the field.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
So he's not the only one that's a little banked up.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
George carloftis one of the top pass rushers for the Chiefs.
I mean, you know you say top pass rusher. We
had Carrington Harrison on with us yesterday and he even
pointed out they haven't had a sack in weeks.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Yeah, it's they're the number twenty nineteen in the last
month when it comes to sacks.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
And it sucked to be a fan of a team
that is in that category where you're just like, yeah,
you know, hey, if we can get the quarterback off
the spot, because then you know, the questions come to
the head coach all the time about you know, uh,
you know, why aren't you guys getting this? Oh, well, sacks,
you know, they're a little bit of an overrated stat.
Speaker 4 (49:13):
No they're not. I mean it's a lot like home runs.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
A home run with runners on base counts for that
many runners on base, Like I would say that, you know,
you're the one that's kind of underscoring it here, like, yes,
they do matter. I mean does Texans defense case in
point two of the top sack guys in the league
are on your defense? And how good is this defense
really good? And what are they doing they're sacking the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yes, it is an overrated stat, but I mean it
is a stat that is important. But at the same time,
what I look at is pressure rate is the more
important stat because let me explain, if you're able to
still force a turnover when it comes to great pressure
off the line of scrimmage, and you have a secondary
that is filled with guys like Jalen Peatree and Derek
Stingley Junior and Kamari Lasser. I much rarely know getting
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football at that standpoint midfield because of I know that
we pressured the quarterback into throwing into double coverage then
just to get the sack. And I'll be third and
sixteen and let's say he converts on the twenty eight
yard strike downfield next play.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
Well, I mean, you know, the Texans again, I mean
with their own injury issues, but Isaiah Pacheco also you know,
full participant yesterday with the knee and Raychie Rice with
a hamstring.
Speaker 4 (50:22):
I mean, that's the one to keep an eye on
right there, cold weather game. Right here, You're.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Dealing with a little bit of a tweaked hamstring, and
you're a guy that's so important to this colt or
this Chiefs offense that I mean again, you know, it's
one of those things that the Texans are saying and
doing the right things about trying to not you know,
look past the Chiefs, because I don't think there's any
reason to look past this team whatsoever. You win and
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you move on to the next game. But you know,
at least nothing else the rat poisons their coal. It's
it's readily available if the Texans want to try to
eat at it.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
I mean, I'm very glad that you're starting to use
Lane Kiffin's nonon drums when it comes to your die.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
That's a Nick Saban thing. Everybody gets it from Nick Sable. Well,
now it's gonna be laying because he's the one that's
ever noticed that anybody that's ever coached with Nick Saban,
they soon enough start to talk like him exactly and
doing the eyes in the in the in the podium
taps and all of that. And the funny thing is
is he never coached with them, But I mean he
played at the program that Nick Saban made his bones at.
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Tomiko Ryan's talks a lot like Nick Saban.
Speaker 4 (51:25):
He says rat poison on one too many occasions. I'll
go with you.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
You know what else happens in a cold weather game?
Got trust your Rushian attack? Which rush attack you trust more?
Speaker 10 (51:32):
Right now?
Speaker 4 (51:32):
What he marks?
Speaker 3 (51:33):
And Nick Chubb or Isaiah Pacheco and Brashad Smith, Kareem Hunt,
Damian Pierce making his debut for the for the Kansay Chiefs,
and what would this be like the third game he's
played this year.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
I mean, it's a it's it's a fair point to
make because I mean, you know, the Texans rushing attack
has been okay at times. It's not been great whatsoever
in the overall product, but I mean, same deal. I mean,
Pachecko has been banged up, and I mean you've got
a decent amount out of Kareem Hunt. But still, I mean,
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you know, this is kind of a little bit of
how much out of the Orange can Andy Reid tried
to squeeze out on Sunday night, because it seems like
right now that's what the Chiefs are having to do
as a posted at Texans. All right, let's get into
a little bit of college football, because this local area coach,
well he might have a feather in his cap, but
he also is still having to sing for his supper.
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Space City Home Network. All right, a little bit of
college football here. Mike Elco, head coach at Texas A
and m is did you see yesterday that he had
to explain himself with the can we plays close the door?
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Can we run a professional press conference? I mean I
heard him say it. It was only on the door
being wide open.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
It was only just on the fact that we weren't
running a professional press conference.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Nothing else to do with it.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Why even address it then, Like it's just like, if
you're going to address it, just say, hey, look, you know,
should have handled myself a little bit better. I mean,
he's frustrated, he's annoyed.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
I always allow for human moments, like I always love
when people are you know, he's got to be better.
I'm like, okay, fine, but it's like, when have you
never not lost your head about something like it happens
to me on a daily baseball.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
My favorite part about that the most he said, and
then social media with you guys talking about it, the guest.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
You guys being the reason why it went so I
overreacted exactly, all right, you know what I amend what
I said, like just good lord, Like, okay, there's there's
nothing there's there is nothing to me that will turn
me off more than especially from football. It is the
biggest dog whistle thing possible with football coaches the you
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guys thing, you guys, and then when you guys are
out of a job, who are you calling for jobs?
Speaker 10 (56:01):
Not you?
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I can definitely tell him more often than not, they're
calling us, Yes they are me.
Speaker 4 (56:07):
Yeah, Hey, you know how do I get in the media? Oh?
Oh oh, now you want to be a part of it? Okay?
I mean Jim O.
Speaker 3 (56:14):
Fisher does a great job of being able to tell
a story online for fifteen minutes and never get to
the actual point.
Speaker 4 (56:19):
Well, I mean act, he's case in point. He's one
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
What I will say, I will give credit like a
guy like Mac Brown. He talked about when he came
back to UNC, he was like, being in the media
was beneficial for me. Like now I handled them a
lot differently because I'm like, oh, okay, that's how the
job is actually done.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (56:37):
That's all who I actually do, missing the media, But
I'm really glad it's back coaching Stan Bullen. I thought
Dan was a perfect blend of being able to understand.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
I never thought he'd come back. I thought he was
that good. I thought it was that good exactly.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
And like the fact that he's at UNLV and he's
gonna have an opportunity to in year one winning Mountain
West title is really good.
Speaker 4 (56:52):
But I agree with you, like he was.
Speaker 3 (56:53):
One dude who you could tell he was snarky with
the media when he didn't like a question, But now
he has an appreciateiation.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
Of what we do. But okay for the Macaco thing though.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
The problem that I have, and this is a problem
that is just normal in the world of college football
because of visiting teams in their areas, they put you
in a broom closet, and they put you in a
broom closet, usually on the home side, and when you're
trying to get done with the press conference and you're
trying to wrap things up because if you had such
an embarrassing loss and you cost yourself an undefeated season
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and a trip.
Speaker 4 (57:25):
To Atlanta, they want to get in and get out.
So the problem when you.
Speaker 3 (57:28):
Look at Texas visiting press conference room, it's right underneath
the stairs, like in the middle of the presser, you're
already hearing fans just screaming their heads off for.
Speaker 4 (57:38):
Beating you and beating you to oblivion. And then you
can leave a door on open and.
Speaker 2 (57:42):
It comes even in louder Man Mark, if I don't
you know properly have you credited here? I think it
was Mark Passwaters for Aggie Yell, who had talked about
a huge reason for that was because of all the
commotion on the field. Because usually at a college football game,
they'll let you go down to the field with five
minutes left to go in the game, so you're watching
the final, you know, three and a half minutes from
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the sidelines, just you know, however long it takes you
get down there. And then if there's a field rush,
it's going to take even longer fee to get off
the field because you're avoiding, you know, a wave of
people and trying to get around them. And then again yeah,
I mean you're trying to get to a room where
for the most part, teams when they're on the road,
everything is going to be sped up. Like college football,
it's a little bit different. There is no open locker
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room or anything like that. You get a handful of
players that are made available, you go around to them,
stick your microphone in there for about two or three minutes,
go to the next guy, like that's that's how it
goes there. So he pointed that out about that the
door kept swinging open because I mean you had people
who were.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
Yeah, it just was who were showing up there. And
of course, I mean, you know, A and M.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Usually they give you about ten minutes because they tell
you a ten minute cooling.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
Off period, you know, and then you get in there
for the room.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
So I mean, that's that's not where we're going here
with Elco one positive and one where you're singing for
his supper the po positive here. Well, I mean, I
guess Aggie fans won't necessarily look at it as such.
So yesterday we get the news that Colin Klein is
likely going to be the head coach at Kansas State.
Chris Chris Clin is going to retire former Kansas State
quarterback former Houston Texan too, Colin Klein. I forgot that
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he played here. Yes, he did play here. I want
to say he moved a tight end while he was
here too. Maybe that was Jeff Driscoll, but regardless, No,
just go saw some reps the tight end when he
was here, So I do remember that. So Kline, the
OC at Texas A and M likely going to get
a head coaching job. And you would think that's a
bad thing, but Elco actually says, no, it's actually a
good thing.
Speaker 11 (59:36):
I think when you hire really good people, opportunities like
that will come. You appreciate that people want to stay
part of your program until the next big opportunity for
them comes. If we're doing this right, it will be
a piece of it. No different than losing players to
the NFL. You'll lose coaches. You'll lose position coaches to
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become coordinators, You'll lose coordinators to become head coaches. I
think what you're trying to avoid at all costs is
losing really valued assistance to go be assistants at other programs. Right,
And that's that's not this case.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So I mean the last part, right, there is something
that with Elco's extension, he had talked about, you know,
trying to improve the you know, payments you know for
assistance and trying to improve that pool to be able
to keep guys around because that is we you know
where that can creep in is you know you got
a receivers coach, Well, Alabama is willing to pay me
five hundred thousand dollars more. Well we can't match that,
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all right, See you that's what he's trying to avoid.
But it is a good thing whenever you're getting your
staff poached, because it shows that you've put together a
really good coaching staff and people are impressed with what
you're doing. Now here's where things can kind of unravel.
Is the reason why Nick Saban was so good for
as long as he was. He was not only good
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at being able to replace good coaches that left and
went somewhere else, he was so good at being able
to identify the next guy. Yeah, and that's the charge
now for Mike Elko, especially offensively.
Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
You've got to be able to identify the next guy
pretty quickly. Okay, couple things not to push back entirely.
Conkline phenomenal year led a and m to an elevendon
one season, help Marcelrey become one of the better quarterbacks
in the SEC. Totally want to give credit recreds due.
Is he a candidate for any other job if it's
not his alma mater calling him?
Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
I mean, wasn't their thoughts that USF was a possibility
for him?
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I heard Oklahoma State and that was about it. Like
that was the only name that I heard him get
but LinkedIn Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
I didn't hear his name much anywhere. I mean, God,
Penn State. At this point, would it have hurt to
be able to give him a call?
Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I mean, they seriously are giving Terry Smith a call, which, again,
that's more power to you, I guess, Pat Craft. I mean,
you're already out the door, so you might as well
as go ahead and let the boosters take on over
that coaching search. But on the flip side of the
other thing is the thing about Nick Saban that was
brought up all the time is that he told assistance,
don't be like me, don't try to emulate what I'm doing.
Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Legacy. It was always the parting words.
Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
But the problem was is that the schools hired you
to be like Nick Saban, and so it ended up
costing multiple really good coaches jobs and opportunities elsewhere, because
if they were told, we're not hiring you because we
like you, We're hiring you because we like the model
that was trying to be emulated, out least you're bringing
Nick Saban to it. And so like, the thing that
I look at when it comes to Colin Kline is
that Conkline needs to be able to whenever he leaves
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Colleins Station, go to Manhattan, not be like Mike Olco.
Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
And the other thing that you got to be able
to do is you got.
Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
To be able to bring in I think, really good
overall coordinators that have their own imaging that allows them
to kind of stand off and the last guy and
see what works.
Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
And what doesn't.
Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
I mean, I think, you know the difference with the
you know, offensive minded defensive minded. Obviously I'll go a
defensive minded guy, but no, I mean that that next
part is key too. I mean, how good are you
are at identifying other coaches because I mean, you know,
we've seen coaches takeover programs and you think like, oh, hey,
great coaching staff, and then it's you know, the OS
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he doesn't work out, the DC doesn't work out, or
vice versa, where I mean, you know, you make some
hires and you're like, man, this guy, this guy's pretty good.
I mean, that's that is every bit of the evaluation,
as much as players are, is being able to identify
good coaches.
Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Have you heard who the boosters out in College Station
want to hire as Colin Clin's replacement?
Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
I have not.
Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
He lives here in the city. Is that at RG Stadium.
Oh Ji Johnson as the number one candidate, boosters had
their way and be.
Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Happy for him if he did.
Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
I would be happy for him if he left, but
I also think that he is meant to be in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I'll never forget where Jarrad Johnson got his coaching start
at too, the greatest high school in the city of Houston.
Men of Saint Thomas stand for all to see, honor,
truth and understanding. Our motto will always be that's.
Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
A cool story that you know your fight song and
you know your motto. Dude, of course, I know I
have no idea what mine is. I don't really care either.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Oh I could recite at all, and I have before
and maybe again, especially too for the Jesuits and in
Saint Pius listeners we have out there.
Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
I know you're out there.
Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Do you want to see GERA Johns because again, I'm
in the camp of I would like to see Gerard
Johnson get an opportunity to finally be able to call plays.
Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Are you okay with him leaving if he goes back
to his Alma manor sure? Absolutely you are.
Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
What if Nick Kayley were to get a job off
or elsewhere and you could have an opportunity to hire
him to.
Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Be well, then you're in the same boat that you
were two years ago, and just go now. I mean
that is a valid concern because hiring replacements has not
necessarily been.
Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
A swing in a it has not been a swing
in success. And for the Texans in the last ten years.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Man not a lot of hard contact there, so who knows,
maybe maybe you can run into one now. All right,
So we'll continue with Mike Elko because now he's having
to sing for his supper, so we'll have that for you.
And then also too, it's reasons like this of why
this sport is the best and I'll explain right here
as we continue. As it is the Morning Drive with
Dan and Cole Sports Talks seven to ninety.
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Rolodex of information from both of those two. For the
college side in the NFL side is we're less than
ninety six hours away from the conference championships beginning, actually
less than forty eight hours away because it starts Smart night.
Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
Hey you get Friday night. Yeah about that. I'm actually
very excited for UNT versus too late.
Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Well, I mean it's college football and it's got a
lot on the line, so yeah, I think people will
probably be watching.
Speaker 4 (01:06:02):
All right, seven ninety what was the question of the day?
Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, the question of the day, So a little tardy
on it, but uh, the song that gets you going
in the morning at Sports Talk seven ninety is how
you can weigh in there with that. So the song
that gets you going every single morning? A plot to
mom the Panhandle by a day to remember. See, I
thought you were gonna say Kickstart my Heart by Motley Crew.
That's why I referred too. That's why I defer to Incubus.
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Wish you were here.
Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
I'm not gonna lie. That's actually my top three is
Kickstart my Heart.
Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
I remember when we were flowing around ideas of how
we're going to start the show, and I was very
excited when that got brought up.
Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, I would have been fed very much enjoy kicks off.
I had also said rush working Man. Okay, it would
have been a possible.
Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
The problem is whatever I think of Kickstart my Heart. Though,
the first thing goes through is Ricky Bobby. That is
the very first thing I think of.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
But he's in the whole the whole crew, the pit crew,
everybody doing their little line after they win.
Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
It is fair well well for stars.
Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Also Leslie bib going, Hey, drive or drive these plays
be eighteen.
Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
It's a great show, great movie. Is that in his
top three? Yeah? Okay, his top three, it's one of it.
It's one of his that gets better with time.
Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Like you know, Anchorman immediately hit old School, even though
he wasn't the lead. It immediately hits and then uh yeah,
step Brothers in in in Talladega Nights. I would say
that's where time went on, and here's here's the ultimate.
As time goes along, you find it funnier and funnier
the other guys with Mark Wahlberg.
Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
Okay, but I think Walburg carries the movie. That's the problem,
little pickcock.
Speaker 12 (01:07:35):
You know, let me flying.
Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
No, you know who carries the movie? Underrated? Michael Keaton. Michael, actually,
right there you go. Don't go chasing waterfalls?
Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
All right?
Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Are you.
Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Intentionally doing this? Them guys have never even heard of them.
Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
All right, let's get back to Mike Eelko, because well,
I didn't even think that this was a thing, Like,
you know, I knew that you know, people had a plan,
you know, an issue with the Aggie's schedule this year.
But Elko was talking about the possibility of A and
M not getting a home game during the playoff, which
again I didn't even know was a thing. And he again,
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you know, if you want to say this is gaslighting,
you can you know he took his blame somewhere else.
Speaker 11 (01:08:17):
I think we are all screaming for some clarity, Like
and I've said this all the way through the season
of what exactly is the criteria that we're utilizing to
break ties. And I don't know that anybody has a
real firm understanding of what that actually is. And so
you know, for us to have a higher strength of
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schedule and a higher strength of record than a lot
of the teams that share the same record as.
Speaker 9 (01:08:44):
US, I don't understand.
Speaker 11 (01:08:47):
Now, at the end of the day, we'll put a
ball down and we'll go play, and it'll be what
it'll be.
Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
All right, there is number one.
Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
There is no planet where A and M is not
opening the first round of the college football Playoff anywhere
else but field.
Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
So now, aggie fans, chill out there.
Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
There is.
Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
How Okay, let me break it down for you real fast.
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
So let's say that BYU wins on Saturday over to
Texas Tech. Automatically, you have to give them a better
seating than Texas Tech because of the are a conference champion.
So you maybe don't put them at four, but you
put them at five. So A and M is at seven,
then you gotta move Texas Tech down to six.
Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
You got to move to A.
Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
You gotta move Oregon at some point, either up or
down almost would go to seven, and then that Alabama Georgia.
Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Let's say Alabama wins. Alabama has two of the best
wins in college football this year over the exact same team,
so on top of that, they also would have a
conference title, again the toughest of conference in college football
as the number one seed, so they would move into
the top four.
Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Georgia would go to five, Texas Tech would go to six.
Number seven would have to be BYU at sun capacity.
Number eight would be Ole Miss because they were ranked
ahead of them. Number nine be Texas A and M. Well,
I mean, but Oregon's in this the same boat you are,
as far as I'm concerned. They didn't play anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
They didn't play Ohio State, they didn't play any of
the tough schools that they needed to be.
Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
The commidee is going to live off of what they
constantly say, which is always going to be self inflicting
and more specifically condescending because of their idiots and morons
running the program out in grape Vine. They are saying
to you, if you don't play this weekend, we can't
penalize you. So Texas A and M is not being
is not playing this weekend. Therefore, they cannot be penalized
from where they are unless other teams that are playing
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have to move on up Ole miss isn't playing this weekend.
You can't just say, oh, well, now that we have
to actually care about home playoff games, we're going to
move them out. Oh again, Miami's not playing this weekend.
We can't penalize them. You can't panealize Oregon. You can't
panalize Oklahoma because if those teams aren't playing this weekend,
so you can reward Alabama and BYU if they were
(01:10:48):
to win, which then creates an opportunity to move teams
down like a Texas A and M that's seven, that
can move two spots down to nine.
Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I think you're looking at the committee the wrong way.
They're not idiots, they're not morons. They're air again and
and for what the okay, so they're arrogant, but for
what Mike Yelko was just bringing up right there, there's
a reason it's vague. They don't owe you an explanation,
is at least what they're saying. This is very much
professional wrestling, where we're the ones that write the script.
Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Here, it's a TV show.
Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
We will put whoever we want to put in there,
and then you, if you're so outraged about it, are
not going to not watch it. You're going to watch.
So it's basically a little bit of hey, we've got
the upper hand here, we have hand.
Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
And we will use it. They have hand.
Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
But you also talked about it from this standpoint. Now,
I am a college football purist. I want the twelve
teams of what are going to be honored in there.
So when people are like, oh, we don't need North
Texas or we don't need James Madison, we know, well,
the rules say that you deserve to have at least
one G five team in there. Is it good for
the product? Probably not, But I'm okay with letting them
on in. Here's where you lose me when now you're
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saying we're letting multiple G five teams in and the
reward for playing a challenging conference schedule is they get
to go travel on to Athens and they get to
go travel out to Oxford, or they get to go
travel out to Autson Stadium and get their ass reamed
in because of what happened to that matchup, because their
facing off agains teams are actually good enough to win
a national title.
Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
That's the difference here, Dan. So you telling me that
like a.
Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Head to head doesn't matter, BS ahead to head doesn't matter,
Miami should be in over Notre Dame because not only
do they play a conference schedule, but they also won
a game. And if we're talking about data points and
we're talking about the final level of it, when you're
looking at strength of record, common opponents, wins and losses,
what does.
Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
It come down to head to heads?
Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
And the committee is saying to you, hmm, Golden Dome
is really pretty. The U is somewhat paid it pretty.
I want more pretty.
Speaker 8 (01:12:46):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I'm sorry, But like when you're at this final step,
at some point, the head to heads and the.
Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
Games on the field have to matter. And Miami is
the one that's absolutely getting hosed at the standpoint.
Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Well, I mean, if there's another of a resume point
to be able to stand on, they will. But I'm
telling you again, stadiums matter, and fan bases matter, eyes matter,
All of those things matter. So for a huge thing,
we're Miami. Guess what, don't show up with twenty thousand
fans at a game If that's the case, then fill
up your soul.
Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
We're gonna penalize them for going and playing at an
NFL stadium because they don't have one on campus.
Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
Is that? Are we really gonna do that?
Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
When we see head to heads having a point at
some at some level in every other spot, Dan they
have respected they had to head in every other one,
Oklahoma is ahead of Alabama. Alabama is ten thousand times
better than Oklahoma.
Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Who's gonna bring more fans? Miami and Notre Dame. Miami
and Notre.
Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Dame both are gonna bring urburg go. We're gonna bring
a significant amount of fans depending on where the game
is at.
Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
You know what the answer is to that, it's Notre Dame.
Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
I also know that I saw a game played in
Week one where a Miami team was able to go
into their stadium and beat up on Notre Dame. And
when you have the same record, the same strength to schedule,
the same strength of record, this same amount of wins,
and usually the same amount of common opponents, and you
win by the same margin to victory, there's one data
point left. The one data point is who beat who
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in a head to head matchup. Miami did that Miami
belongs in over Notre Dame. This is not a hard
concept to understand, stand, Hunter, you're a check, but of
course you don't understand it. You want to make six
seven jokes and hire a dude that lost three of
his last four games as your next head coacher.
Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Plays Sam Pittman just saying, man, it's one of those
that the college football playoff more than any other. The
quiet part out loud is we don't have to owe
you an explanation, but we'll give you one and you'll
just have to deal with it. That's really how it's
gone for the four teams, the twelve teams, and it
will be the same for sixteen because this is never
going to stop.
Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Oh, it's going to go from sixteen and then the
seventeen team's going to be really pissed off, So go
to twenty four and then that twenty fifteen is gonna be.
Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Really pissed off.
Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
You get seven to five teams who are and idiots
around the city that want to go ahead and say
it's good for college football to go ahead and have
a twenty fourteen playoff, will get their wish and then
the regular season won't matter.
Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Anymore. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I mean you've seen it happen in college in colleg basketball.
Brian and Parlane, we'll get you involved in the conversation.
Do you want to get into a little bit of
Astro's conversation because well, a very very shiny toy could
maybe be on the astros radar. Who exactly that is
we'll share with you as we close out the seven
o'clock Howard is the Morning Drive, Dan and Cole Sports
Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Page down. The Morning Drive continues. Now now here's Dann
and Cole.
Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Brian, good morning, Hey.
Speaker 13 (01:15:30):
Good morning, and Dani, you were right. Gerarid Johnson did
get his start at the finest education facility in the
city Houston by far. You will fight never dies, great spot,
he said, never never will No, that was the first
name I came into my mind when I heard Colin
Klan was taking the job. I said, Gerard, I think
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would be perfect for that. He gets the start as
an OC with a good group of guys that are
already there. There's still a good coallenged corp with Marcel,
and you'll have Jamari and Moro coming back next year,
and I think you'll still have a Mari Daniels. I
mean from a good running back class. He's got Bethel Roman,
so we'll have a good offensive group to work with,
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plus whatever they're able to pick up in the transfer portal.
So I think it'd be I would at least make
the ask if Colin Client does ultimately wind up leaving. Yeah,
apparently he was rumored to be taking the sf USF
job until apparently he came down late Monday. I think
I heard Billy Luci was talking on TexAgs that he
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was that it came out late Sunday or Monday that
Kleiman was supposed to be stepping down from Kansas State,
and so he kind of held off on that. But yeah,
I think when it comes to college football playoffs and
I'm calling the seventh and yeah, I agree there's a
possibility that may not host the game. I still think
they do, and I hope they do because I got my.
Speaker 8 (01:16:54):
Tickets for it.
Speaker 13 (01:16:55):
But I mean, Kyle Field will be rocking for that
if there.
Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Is a home game.
Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
But I think they have to.
Speaker 13 (01:17:02):
There has to be some type of parody in terms
of I mean, am got punished because they lost in
Week fourteen, not Week seven or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
It was that Oregon lost.
Speaker 13 (01:17:10):
I mean, they fell farther and they lost at home
to the number well they weren't number two at the time,
but not Indiana. So I think there needs to be
some way that this shakes out, that it's a little
bit more you know, common sense as to how these
teams get ranked, and that I mean, and it went
on the road and lost to a wasn't the greatest
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second half, but they lost to Texas, you know, on
the road. But you get penalized, could lose week fourteen
and not week whatever. And I know everybody saying, well
an them didn't play anybody in conference. Well, they don't
set their conference schedule.
Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
People don't.
Speaker 13 (01:17:45):
People don't think about that. The conference sets their schedule
when in conference. So they played, they played the teams
that the that the league putting on top of them.
But at the time, remember everybody who was there in
at home hard it was going to death Valley and win.
And they went in and won pretty convincingly. They're talking
about how good a Mott Hardy was, and Mott Hardy
did some things, but they went in Granton, Missouri didn't
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have this great a quarterback. They were going with their
third stringer, I think, or back up, and they went
and won pretty convincingly there. So they beat the teams
fairly handily. Other than the South Carolina win, the teams
that were supposed to beat. They won by a much
larger margin over Mississippi State than what Texas did. So
I mean not comparing a m's schedule to Texas, but
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when you're gonna sit there and say, well a them
didn't play any bye, well they played the same quality
of non cost did and they did what they were
supposed to do, and they played their premier non conference game.
They went to South Bend to win. So Texas can't say, well,
we lost the game. You were also the number one
team in the country. But so I think there has
to be something taken into account.
Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
The fact that.
Speaker 13 (01:18:52):
ANEM loses in Week fourteen on the road through their
rival's obviously going to be up for the game, trying
to make a case all four spots against somebody like
Old miss who didn't have a coach at the time.
So I don't know, I'd be curious to see how
they how they justify all this, And of course I
don't think we ever will, but I think twelve is
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more than enough, because if you're the thirteenth team, I
mean really, at that point, it's like the sixty fifteam.
Speaker 8 (01:19:19):
You're just wanting to get.
Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
In for the prestige.
Speaker 13 (01:19:22):
You don't awfully think at that point you're really gonna win.
Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
You know, you might win a game or.
Speaker 13 (01:19:27):
Two, but you're on one of the title. You want
in just to be in to get the extra money.
And I get it, you know, it's what it's not
at the end of the day. But good show, guys.
But yeah, I think Gerd Johnson would be a phenomenal
higher if Colin Plyde does ultimately leave to take that
Case State job.
Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
Those guys, Yeah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Brian.
Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
A couple things are want to say, number going Texas
fans out here who are complaining about why Texas A
and M is getting all this love and appreciation.
Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Last season, the exact same thing happened to you.
Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
You played against one really good team and a a
bunch of crappy teams in the conference, and we had
to say, welcome to the party. You're one of the
best in the SEC. So I'm not going to hear
any pity when it comes to that standpoint. A and
M fans have a reason. Now here's the reason why
tax A and M fell to number seven? Who did
Oregon Lucier Dan Indiana? Where are they rand Indiana?
Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
Yeah? Who did?
Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (01:20:20):
I mean?
Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Who did Ole Miss lose to?
Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
Ole Miss?
Speaker 4 (01:20:23):
Lost to George Georgia? Yeah? Where are they ranked? They're
number three? Both teams are going to go to the
college football playoff?
Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Who did tex A and M lose to? They lost Texas?
Are they going to the college football playoff?
Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
More than likely not? I rest my case.
Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
That is why tex A and M is at number
seven and the other two teams that are eleven to
one are ahead of them.
Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
All right, let's open to the eight o'clock cour with
that Astros point, because obviously the and M conversation carried over.
So who could that shiny new toy be? We'll unwrap
it here in the eight o'clock cow as we continue.
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guests this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
A little bit of Astros here though, because well we
know that the starting pitcher that is added to this
offseason more than likely going to come from the trade front.
At least one is for the Astros, because yeah, it
does seem like that another one that could be making
a reunion with the Astros, although I haven't heard as
much about that lately, so maybe that's like later on
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you do you think he is going.
Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
To pitch the one more year?
Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
Right? No?
Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I mean it sounds like he is, and it sounds
like there is an appetite to be able to bring
back Justin Verlander of courses who are talking about but
the trade side of it, the Astros could possibly be
in the market for a starting pitcher from Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
It's not the one I want, but still this is
a pretty good one. Okay. Well, who do we got
record to John Hayman, MLB insider, Hamen I'm not coming
on your show. It is unbelievable that you would do
this to me. That is still one of the best
interactions I've seen on radio. I love I just love
the host too.
Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Who is it?
Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
It was Keith McPherson, where he's just like, Okay, thank you,
I appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 4 (01:22:41):
I'm Joe Ryan is actually being rumored to the astros.
Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Now that that would move the needles, sir, that is
a number two. That's a guy that probably too, You're
going to get into contract negotiations with Hunter Brown and
it probably will even happen this offseason, and there is
at least a desire to.
Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Make that happen. Scott Boris even saying as much. Yeah,
well listen to him.
Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
So you got to wonder if maybe there's already been
preliminary conversations, but you had a guy like Joe Ryan,
because as currently constructed right now, I don't feel as
good with Christian Hobbier as the three or as the two.
I feel much better with him as the three because
does he have front of the line rotation type of stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Sure he does.
Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
But here's the problem you run into with Hobbyer at
times the pitch counts get high, the walks turn up,
and you're not able to get as many innings out
of him. You're getting maybe five out of him. If
he can really stretch it, maybe even get six. So
then that puts more strain on your bullpen. I need
somebody in the front of the rotation that can go
a little bit deeper in the games. Ryan is one
of those guys. Hunter Brown is one of those guys.
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I feel like that hobby here, you put him in
that three spot.
Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
It's kind of like what.
Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
We're talking about with Jabari Smith Junior some of the
other guys on the rockets where why are they having
much better offensive sea since because they're not being asked
to do as much, so the pressure is not as
much on them. I feel like Christian Hobbyer is that guy,
and Joe Ryan being a possibility boy. I'll tell you what,
all of a sudden, you start feeling really good about
this pitching staff.
Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Joe Ryan went thirteen to ten last year in one
hundred and seventy one innings pitch. He had a three
forty two ERA. He was six shive of two hundred strikeouts.
He was an All Star. He also had a pretty
good fip and a pretty good whip, give him for
two years underneath arbitration, so that at least gives you
club control. I think one of the main things that
you and I have talked about, and we've heard from
multiple people, is that the astros, if they're going to
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make a trade, they.
Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Want somebody who has club controlled.
Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
They don't want to do an option the way that
Sonny Gray was to where you turn his deal from
two years into one where if he wants to come
back in twenty twenty seventy, ken eat on for two years.
And the reason why that's really important is because if
you know that on a market that right now is
very dire of trying to land frontline pitching, they're going
to ask for a premium price. So you just don't
want to give away MU players and part of the
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key elements of your farm system to only have a
guy that's locked in for one year. I agree that
Joe Ryan is a very very good number two that
can fill in on certain days as the number one
in a rotation. What I wonder is, do you have
the farm system to move to get a guy like
Joe Ryan, or is Minnesota trying to do a soft
rebuild where they bring in some betteran talent. They say,
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we can just go add in some younger players that
we think are ready to make the jump to the
majors and all on the behold because we play in
the al Central where it does feel like we don't
know the sass of Trek scoobl with with Detroit, so
maybe they're going to take a step back. Chicago still
is a waste slam. Kansas City may not make a
lot of moves this softseason, we could actually put ourselves
in a pretty good spot to where if we add
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in a few pieces and maybe get some guys that
we're willing to move with the deadline and bringing on
these one year contracts, we're right back in the hunt
for a division title.
Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
Well, I mean, and that's where I think Jake Myers
is kind of the you know, the center point of
this because there there is urgency to trade Jake Myers
because his value has never been higher the season that
he just had offensively, and you already know the value
that he's gonna bring you from a speed perspective, from
a defensive perspective, that's what he adds another one that's
kind of intriguing in all of this too, is that
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supposedly there's interest in Hazu Sanchez.
Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Yeah, I heard about that, and that's probably a way
to where you can get this deal done with a
couple pictures. Let me ask you if you could, do
you try to package a deal with Haesu Sanchez because
the power to a team like Minnesota. Do you try
to get a guy defensively like Jake Myers?
Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
I mean, I think you try to get both, honestly
if you're Minnesota, because again, because I mean that's the
thing that you know, I think if you're Minnesota, you're
not necessarily in position where you're like, man, we just
we got to hit demolition to this thing and just
you know, restart this thing from the studs, because you
only have Cleveland, you only have jo Who Detroit.
Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
City, Detroit and Chica Kansas.
Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
City loosely, I mean, I think outside of Bobby Witch Junior,
who do you necessarily look at with Kansas City and
you say, oh, yeah, that's that's a team.
Speaker 4 (01:27:00):
Vinny Past, Vinnie pas Quentino.
Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Michael Garcia, Oh for no, no, you know he's a
retread from Philadelphia that's been okay, He's been he's.
Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Been very good in Kansas City. But I will say
they are going to be I think aggressive in this
offseason Adams.
Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
But it's but it's not like that there is like
this herculean task of like trying to overtake them, because
like if they were in the if they were in
the American League East, then I'd get it. I'd understand it,
because then at that point you're trying to trudge through
four different teams. I mean, it's kind of like looking
at the Rays. Oh, hey, you know what the Ray's doing. Well,
they're doing what they always do. They're just building up
their team. And then all of a sudden, you're like,
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the hell are these guys and why are they leading
the AL East?
Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
And then they trade away all of their players that
are about to go into contract negotiation years, and then
they bring in young prosspects then.
Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Amazing prospects that you're just like, good wars, how do
they identify these guys?
Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
They're not amazing prospects.
Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
When they're traded, they're like the number five in the
system or they're like the number seven the system. But
then when they get to the majors, they absolutely hit
like that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
That's that's the issue with with trading with the Rays
is I mean, it seems like and the even a
Astros have been that team too. That Hey, if they're
asking about somebody, do a double check. Seriously, do a
triple check. Are they asking about this guy that single.
Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
A player that right now we're wondering what does he
provide for the organization?
Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Why are you asking about him?
Speaker 8 (01:28:20):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Oh wait, it's Jeron Alvarez two point zero like that,
Like that's fair. Teams that have been rumored to be
in the running for Joe Ryan the Mets, the Red Sox,
the Cubs, and the Asters at the top four. So
the Mets have a good farm system with pitching to
where they could easily let go of one of their
top two guys. I don't think they will let go
of Nolan McLean, but they can let go of Tongus
and they could send him on over in another deal
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with one of the younger players that they have. This
is now becomes your number two in the rotation for
a team that needs get better in starting pitching. Boston
already went out and added in Sunny Gray. Are they
going to add in another pitcher to the front end
of the rotation. Cubs are really interesting because I don't
know what the hell the Cubs are doing. I don't
know if the Cubs know what they're doing. So from
a standpoint of the suitor, it really is going to
come down to are you willing to part ways with
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certain prospects and maybe a proven player? Do they want
Jake Myers? Are they in on Christian Walker? Do they
view Haesu Sanchez as a reclamation project for them? What
are the things that they want to be able for
you to even enter this conversation and begin with, well.
Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I mean, and that's I think the conversation that you
have is because I mean, yeah, you you don't have
the prospect power that those other teams have, but at
least you've got major league ready guys that you can
dangle out there and then throw in somebody like that.
You know, I'm sure a Miguel you Lola is going
to be asked about. I mean, a guy that kind
of like I was talking about with Hobber, same deal,
swinging miss stuff. But it's also to the Walks are
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an issue with him, so well about I mean, and
that's and that's the thing too, is I mean you know,
who's to say that he doesn't, you know, kind of
to take the Octavio Dotel route of you know, being
a guy that was, you know, not so much as
a starter. But then you're like, well, but he's got
stuff and if we can get him in the zone,
then he can be a really good reliever. I mean,
maybe that's something. He's not a name that you're okay
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with moving off of. For Joe Ryan for two years
of control, I think because you do, you do feel
pretty good about the pitching, you know, strength that you
have in your farm system. So I mean, if he's
asked about, I don't think it's necessarily somebody you got
to ride off.
Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Now, Okay, if you could make one move right now
for Joe Ryan. Let's say that he's part of the deal.
Jake Myers and Hazu Sanchez. Which one are you get
rid of first?
Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Go, I have to just choose one.
Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
Yeah, you have to just just just one because I
think there could be another trade package that comes with
the other one.
Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
It's it's definitely Jake Myers, just because I mean his
trade value has never been higher, and I think you
can maybe even if you keep Hayzu Sianchez. You could
develop a market for Jesus Sanchez if you feel like
you can make adjustments to him at the plate this year.
Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
So you think that because of Jesus Sanchez, what we
saw in Miami and what didn't work here, but still
the power, what he can do in that, what he
can do in the outfield, it's worthy of holding on
to him just a little bit longer to maybe move
somebody at the trade inline for Jake Myerson.
Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
I won't push back on that.
Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
I think again, when you're looking at Jake is that
this is a guy that is great defensively, who is
never going to be that power here that you once
envisioned to be. And you have a guy that's great
defensively that you know he's going to be a contacted
during Zach.
Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
Cole, let's talk some football.
Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
James Palmer co hosts of Scoop City on The Athletic
and also NFL Insider for Bleacher Report.
Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
He hops on with us next right here as.
Speaker 6 (01:31:15):
It is the Morning Drive, Dan and Cole, Dan Matthews,
Cole Thompson.
Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
This is the Morning Drive with Dann and Cole.
Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
James Palmer. James appreciate it, Buddy, good to hear from you. Again.
Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Let's just jump right into Sunday nights in Kansas City.
You've seen a lot of the Chiefs over the last
few years. Is this a situation where desperation can pull
them over or is this just a bad matchup with Houston.
Speaker 8 (01:31:47):
I never really used the term desperation with the Kansas
City Chiefs at any point. When you're quarterback, when the
statistics somehow at certain games they've had heart monitors on him,
and his heart is lower in clutch situations in the
postseason than it is during pregame. Desperation doesn't really you know,
coincide with the way the Chiefs play, but the record
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and what they have to do the rest of the
way out, they understand the situation they're in. I just
think it's a different feel in that building than it
has been before. They've had slower starts before, They've had
seasons where I've covered them, and I've been at games
where they're off to the most historically worst start in
yards per play allowed as a defense through two months
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of a season than anyone ever and then they, you know,
find a way second half of the year. That's usually
what's happened specifically on defense. But when I talk to
people there this season, it was never a panic, never
a desperation, but a different feel at times. And I
think that's for a few reasons, honestly, and it's the
ability to close out games with your defensive fronts has
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not been there like it's been in a year's past.
We can get into that, but they're just not as
deep there, and Chris Jones is playing more snaps and
it's impacting him. And at the same time, obviously they've
had some injuries, but you know, there's a variety of
things that have happened in the big moments, and we
know the swing of the one score games that has
dramatically changed. The one thing I could say has really
in their perception across the NFL. Talking to people, you know,
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over the last several weeks and cover their game in Denver,
the fear factor appears to be gone a little bit
late in games against them. You know, there was always
a thing and players wouldn't admit it publicly or on
the record, but when I talked to them, it would
be late in the game, it's close, Mames is going
to make a play. Chiefs are going to find a
way to win. That's just what happened. That thought process
isn't really there anymore right now with a lot of teams,
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and that to me is the biggest change James.
Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
When you look at the Texans going into this matchup,
their winners are the last four, but most of their
losses have come to playoff teams, whether it be Denver,
whether it be to Tampa, whether it be to even
Jacksonville on the road. What does a win mean for
Houston in the grand scheme of where they rank in
the packing order of what feels to be a wide
open AFC this year.
Speaker 8 (01:33:59):
Yeah, I mean I think it changes a lot. I mean,
like they're not in the position. I just put something
out on the Athletic this morning, like they're not in
the position to play spoiler right now with this game.
Like if you look at what happens when they win
this game, like if they do, they jump from a
sixty percent chance of making the postseason to an eighty
five percent chance. Like they're in the group. They're in
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an AFC that I think we have a lot of
questions about. And I think if you're going to make
a run, if you're a team like Houston, you're a
team that's sitting kind of on the outside looking in.
But job, if you have the best defense in football
and you have an offense that's kind of turning the
corner a little bit, this is the year to sneak in.
It really is because when you look at you know,
the I always joke about like the four Horsemen of
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the NFL, of four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and everybody
else's mind it's Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and Patrick
Mahomes and Joe Burrow. Well, those teams aren't what we're
used to seeing this year. And you look at the
AFC and it's like, all right, I don't have that
like once in a generation type quarterback I might have
to go through, right, So you're thinking, is a little
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bit different now the AFC. I think the entire group
has flaws from number one in New England through Denver
through Indy and everybody has these warts in a sense.
And I think if you are playing really good defense
and you can find ways to run the football late
in the season, this year is different than years pass
in the AFC. So I think if you beat Kansas
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City in Kansas City, you're definitely right in the mix,
seriously of making a run because the AFC landscape is
so different than what we're used to seeing over the
last several years.
Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
James Palmer joining us here on the Morning Drive with
Dan and Cole and speaking of CJ. Stroud, I mean
he even talked about it last week, James where knocking
off a little bit of rust but still decent enough
performance two hundred and seventy six yards.
Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Texans win this game on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Are we talking more about what CJ did or about
what the defense was able to do?
Speaker 8 (01:35:57):
I'd probably say the defense. Honestly, that's the way this
team is built. I mentioned Denver earlier. It's probably a
little bit similar sense, and that's what you know, that's
how they beat the Chiefs. So that's there's a compient
and sense because there's been some up and down moments
of boat nicks in Denver, and but what was the
constant is the defense makes big plays in big moments.
And that's like I mentioned, that's usually what you see
from Kansas City. That's what happened in that Denver game.
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From Denver, they made big plays in big moments. And
I think obviously with you know, the way that that
Kansas City's banged up on the offensive line, and the
way that Houston gets after the pass rusher, and the
way that we've seen a different Patrick Mahomes. Guys this
year like this is his worst season under pressure, and
in terms of passer rating, touchdown interception ratio of his career,
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this is the worst season of his career. On third down.
Those are money plays, right, those are money situations, and
I think I see much more of Houston making those
plays in those moments and changing the course of the
game than maybe CJ does. I do think this offense
is turned a corner like I mentioned, and he has,
you know, the opportunity and I think against Kansas City
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have to make a player two when it really counts,
and it got to have a moment, and he obviously
has the ability to do that. I think Nick's done
a better job with this offense. I think talking to
people around the league, he's kind of put in their sense,
you know, CJ much more of a rhythm, which is
really really important for your quarterback. But I think, really,
if it comes down to it, I see with the
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way Mahomes has played in those things I mentioned, in
the way that Houston has played that we might see
a big defensive play changing the course of this game
than a play that CJ.
Speaker 11 (01:37:33):
Makes.
Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Many of people have brought this up in recent weeks,
and so I want to get your opinion on this.
Has the Houston Texans offensive line gone from being a
liability to a strength for the personnel not just in
the rushing attack, but whoever's lined up back there.
Speaker 10 (01:37:46):
CJ.
Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
Stroud, Davis Mills.
Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
It does feel like that they have more time than
in years pass to be able to connect down field
with their targets.
Speaker 5 (01:37:53):
Yeah, I think I.
Speaker 8 (01:37:54):
Think, you know, a personnel change in that certainly helps.
I mean, you know, when they started going to six
offensive linemen a little bit more. I mean in the
last four weeks, I think they do it almost at
a higher rate than anybody else in football. It's kind
of in vogue in the league right now. But it's
definitely made them run the football a little bit better.
It's protected the quarterback better, It's changes your play action game.
You know, this stuff takes a while to come and
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gel together. It certainly does. I know nobody in Houston
wanted to hear that or have the patience to allow
all of the changes that they did upfront to kind
of come to fruition. But you know, when you find
the right mix oftentimes, and you know, I've had this
conversation with some of the best offensive line coaches in football,
whether it's Dante Dante Scarnikia or you know, it's any
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of those guys, or you know, it's it's the group
as a whole is sometimes more valuable than maybe some
of the individual talent you have once you start getting
them playing together. And I think you've seen that when
they've gone into bigger personnel and I think you've seen
that and changing you know, the course of the run game,
and you know CJ doesn't have to sit there and
er it out. It was just like last year when
I would talk to people in Houston, it was, you know,
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if you have a week pl of your offensive line,
you can usually equate for that and you can usually
give extra help there. And the quarterback oftentimes knows that
the pressure is coming from there. Well, when he has
no clue which part of the offensive line is going
to break down on a given play, that's really difficult
on a quarterback. I just don't think that feeling that
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CJ had last year is the same one that he's
playing with right now.
Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
James.
Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Is this offensive line I mean, I know you just
touched on it there at the end, but is this
offensive line improved enough where you can maybe even start
to believe that, hey, they're kind of capable.
Speaker 8 (01:39:33):
Yeah, I totally think you can. And I think the
play calling plays a big part of that. I think
Nick has done a better job in terms of you know,
design and things like that. I think what you really
find out is can they get into the red zone
and can they score? That's massive and I think that
changes everything because they're what near the bottom of the league.
If I'm not mistaken as a red zone offense and
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third down those two things, if your offensive line can
help you be more balanced to make sure that you
can have the threat of being in third and manageable
and your offense works better on first and second down
to put you in that position, Yeah, I think they
can't be a serviceable enough offensive line with the amount
of talent they have at the skill positions that CJ
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has the ability to get the football out That's that's
really it. But I think what really needs to happen,
and I think I brought up earlier. You've got to
play it kind of similar to Denver, like make big
plays as an offense in big moments. When you've got
to make plays in the fourth quarter, you make them
and let your defense carry you through most of the game.
And you don't hurt your defense by giving them short fields,
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by giving them, you know, difficult situations to deal with.
You've got to play fine as an offense in the
AFC right now to get yourself into the postseason.
Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
From a standpoint from the great picture of the AFC
in general, it does feel like that with there being
so much openness that you don't really have that front runner.
New England's eleven and two to play in a fourth
place schedule, and they've also had the benefactor of having
a good quarterback with Drake Man Denver. Denver's been one
of the better defensive teams in the NFL. They come
back after comeback after come back from Boonix to be
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able to win. Who is the team right now that
you feel Houston matches up best with it? They were
to make it to the playoffs to where it does
feel like home away. They are adding enough on both
sides of the ball to where they should feel like
that they're coasting into the next round.
Speaker 8 (01:41:23):
M I don't know, that's a that's a good question.
I wouldn't want to play one of these star quarterbacks
like I would prefer to play Drake May. I would
prefer to play Bo Nicks. I wouldn't want to go
to Foxborough. I think that's going to change the landscape
of the AFC if New England gets the number one
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seed and teams have to go into Foxborough in December.
I know I've covered games when I was working in
Houston going there in the postseason. It's it's just it's
just such a favorable matchup for New England and how
they match up. I think if you have some of
these quarterbacks that play up and down, whether it's say
you match up against Daniel Jones or help sticking with
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the division honestly, in Trevor Lawrence, like I would fear
like I would fear Lamar getting in, which there's there's
a decent chance he's playing terrible right now. But like
the herculean performance against your strength, right that's what you
don't really want to match up with because that's the
strength of your team, and there are very few people
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that could pick it apart. You saw what they did
to Josh Allen the other day. But at the same time,
like there's very few people that could perform at a
high level against the defense, that's who I would avoid.
Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
He's the co host of Scoop City with the Athletic
Can't Fill Insider, Bleacher Report, co host of eighty nine
with Steve Smith, also NFL Insider with one O four three,
the fan there in Denver.
Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
He is James Palmer. James, appreciate it, man.
Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
It's always great to catch up with you, and hopefully
we'll do so again here very soon.
Speaker 8 (01:42:54):
I'm excited, guys. I'm excited to see this game. I
was at the last one and narrowhead and you know
it useless for shorthanded until gave him a run. I
think this could be much different type of feel of
the game for sure.
Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Great weight in, great weight in the weekend, no doubt
about it. We'll catch up soon. Thanks, James. I appreciate buddy.
James Palmer again, of many different outlets out there, but
of course we remember him here with Comcast Sports Houston
and also to with the NFL Network before his current ventures.
Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
He is now the third person to make it seem
as if Houston not only has a good shower win
in this game, you're actually surprised if Houston.
Speaker 4 (01:43:29):
Loses this game. That's the way I took it in
his interview.
Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
What we heard yesterday from different people, Carrington, what we
heard from what am I blanken Eric Eric yesterday? It
feels like Houston, with how well they're playing and what
has gone south for Kansas City, this should be a
game that not only they're in control.
Speaker 4 (01:43:50):
Most of the afternoon, but that double digit win not
off the table.
Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
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there given flowers to two groups of people that you
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Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
A couple of groups of people on the Texans team
you're talking with Derek at home yesterday very complimentary, is
even of you know, parts of the Texans team, not
the defense, Well, James Palmer a little bit too as well.
Let's go ahead and throw the offensive line in. Nick Kyley,
Deserving Flowers and another guy who's doing it, Dan Orlowski
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of ESPN, are on.
Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
This four game win streak. Well, what's changed for their
offense Specifically.
Speaker 14 (01:44:52):
It's the most improved offensive line in football, and it's
the most improved offensive coordinator in football. Shout out to
Nick Kayley his growth this season. We've talked for years,
about two years about how bad this offensive line has
been a Houston and the impact on the quarterback.
Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
It looked like twenty twenty three c J. Stroud.
Speaker 14 (01:45:08):
The firmness in the middle of the pocket allows for
what I would say one of his strengths is is
that react in reset, reacted, reset, react, and reset ball over.
Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
The middle field. Shotgun once again goes to the bottom,
wants to throw the out route.
Speaker 5 (01:45:20):
Not there.
Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
How firm is the pocket for him?
Speaker 14 (01:45:22):
Firm up where he can hang, hang, now climb on
a huge third down, no body near him.
Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Thumb the ball off for conversion. This is my favorite play,
my favorite play of the game.
Speaker 10 (01:45:31):
This is vented CJ.
Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Stroud ball fake.
Speaker 14 (01:45:34):
I want to throw the in route right now at
the bottom of the screen, it's not there. Middle linebackers
there reset.
Speaker 1 (01:45:38):
To the top.
Speaker 4 (01:45:39):
But I got to have the pocket to do it
and then throw the ball to the out route right
on the sideline. Beautiful. That is twenty twenty three. This
offensive line was terrible last year. Look at the number
of difference.
Speaker 14 (01:45:50):
Okay, at this point last year, one hundred and four
pressures and twenty one hundred and sixty four pressures, twenty
five sacks. Right now, one hundred and six pressures, so
a little bit more than fifty less fourteen sacks.
Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
That's eleven less. That is huge.
Speaker 14 (01:46:06):
By that center, that guard center guard trio totally has changed.
It's the most improved offensive line in football, and it's
the most improved and developed offensive coordinator in the game.
Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Right now, all right, perhaps you know we were talking
about yesterday with Lake and Tomlinson, you know, being you know,
told your services are no longer needed, and you know
the questions that have been asked, Damiko Ryans, Hey, do
you have your five offensive linemen?
Speaker 5 (01:46:30):
Now?
Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
It seems like they have their five offensive linemen.
Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
I will say the thing that you can look at
that are really prominent is the pressure rate. Has gone
down drastically over the last five games, especially in the
last four wins. You've also seen the sack tole go
on down and you've also been able to see quarterbacks
have more than just three seconds of throw. Most quarterbacks
in the day's game are going with the three step drawback,
looking turbang the field. It feels like of the last
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two matchups, whether it be against Indianapolis or against Buffalo,
both CJ. Stroud and Davis Mills time to have a
seven step drawback. Really survey the field, step on up
in the pocket, avade a quick pressure to the outside,
and deliver a strike to be able to connect.
Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
I mean, if anything, you know, just with you talking
right there, it kind of just reminds me of you know,
what we've seen from CJ at times. I mean, how
many times do most of us watching the game say, dude,
just get rid of it, just throw it somewhere. Nope,
don't keep going backwards. Just throw the ball away. It
doesn't matter where it goes, just as long as it's
not to somebody on the other team.
Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
Well, that's like the thing that bothers me when it
comes to people saying, oh, well, this offensive line is
so terrible. This offensive line has nothing to really show
for it. Now, and listen, I'm not saying that the
offensive line has been great this year. It's been adequate.
And let's also go ahead and say it's the most
improved offensive line in the NFL. Okay, Dan, but let's
just make sure that you remind everybody this was the
worst offensive line in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Now you're a D minus student, and now you're a
C minus student, I'll go C plus.
Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
But still regardless you're you're still in a standpoint of
there are hundreds of players and snaps that are better
than you across the NFL, well from teams that are
well more equipted.
Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
I think to go on a run.
Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
But my point is is that so many people love
to go ahead and blame the offensive line for giving
up the sack.
Speaker 4 (01:48:09):
In Houston. You gotta look at the numbers.
Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
There have been multiple instances in the last two years
where four of the four of the seven sacks allowed
are not because the offensive line is giving up pressure immediately.
It's because CJ's waiting for a play to unfold. When
we're all bigging dude, throw it out, a bounce, hit,
reset and you know what I really thought was a
big selling point with CJ in his first season. He
was not afraid to go ahead and say, this play's
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not working, throwt out of bounds. Let's go back to
the drawing board and hit reset. And now it's like
I'm waiting for that highlight moment. I'm waiting for that
big time throw. I got him open. He needs to
cut here and guess what we're gonna Oh wait, I'm
already on the ground.
Speaker 2 (01:48:45):
It was almost a feeling of like there was creation
like that. It was that CJ made that play happen
like that. I'm with you on that, because I mean
there was a little bit of a you know, kind
of rocking chair, you know, feeling back there with them
where it's just like this guy sees everything, like how
is he this advance? And it just it feels like
at least last year that there was a regression there.
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And I mean, I know that he'd been out the
last three weeks, so you know, we'll get a better
gauge of it this week. But it seemed like at
times he'd gotten back to twenty twenty three CJ, but
then at times he'd been twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
Twenty something really good on point accurate throws to where
he could feel the pocket collapsing and stepping on up
to delivery strike. There were also some times to where
he was waiting for a play to get on open,
and while it wasn't a sack, he had far too
much time to where he eventually over thought it, tried
to overcorrect and it would lead to either big time
overthrow or an underpass, or him kind of just not
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doing enough and then stepping on up for a gain
of three when really, if you just would have gone
through your progression a lot faster gain of seven, at
least we set you up in second and three versus
second and seven.
Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Is this where you really wish you had had Brevin
Jordan this year?
Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
I wish I would have had more consistency at tight end.
I don't think it needs to be Brevin Jordan.
Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Because I do think that that was supposed to be
part of it this year, is that you were going
to use the tight end more for that very reason
of hey, dude, no matter what, you got an exit ramp,
use it.
Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
I mean, Kate Stover was supposed to be a big
time factor in this team, and then Week one he
breaks his foot and he's out for almost two months.
So it's like, yeah, definitely, I think there's a reason
to say Brevin could have been that could have been.
In that conversation, it absolutely could have been Stover. You
needed to have a weapon outside of just Dalton Schultz
and Dan Don't. Just remind everybody about a month ago
there was one tight end on the active roster.
Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
There's one.
Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
They had more running backs that are sitting on the
bench or playing on special teams. Then they had as
a secondary option to where you could run anything other
than just spread offense.
Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
Harrison Bryant's over here saying, hey, dude, I'm here, dude.
He wasn't on the roster a month ago.
Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
He was back on the IR at that point like that,
and again there were two times that he was a
healthy scratch. So it's like, it shows you just how
limited that you had at that position. And the frustrating
part is that for Nick Kaylee, again, remind yourself of this,
what is his specialty tight end position? When he was
in New England, work for tight ends. When he was
out out in Los Angeles, worker tight ends. When you're
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told here's Stalton Schultz and maybe we're gonna bring up
Harrison Brian, or we'll call up Luke as Shafe in
the practice squad, like you're not giving him a lot
to work within resources. At least you now have something
with Cage Stover. I'm not saying it's great, but at
least you have something there.
Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Someone three two on two five seven ninety is the
number two get in in terms of CJ. He's going
up against a living legend on Sunday nights. What are
his thoughts on that. We'll share them with you right
here as it is the Morning Drive with Dan and
Cole Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 9 (01:51:38):
Come back to.
Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Danny Cole as the Morning Drive cruise is.
Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
On Someone three two on two five seven ninety the
number to get in. Now, this is one of the
things that whenever there's a matchup that always cracks me
up is you know, you know Brady versus Manning, you
know Breeze against Manning, you know, all all of these
all the time where it's just like, all right, they're
not like going against each other. Like That's what always
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kind of cracks me up about it. But it is
always a question that's asked and c J. Stroud asked
yesterday about going up against one of the game's best
Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (01:52:12):
I mean, it's always cool to go playing case, you know,
against you know that team who's you know, been really
great for the last couple of years. I've been a
fan of you know, a Path for a long time,
and just he's a heck of a player, and it's
it's just really cool, you know, being about five years
ago I was in high school, you know, watching and
you know, now you're competing against those guys souh. But yeah,
I mean I don't really think we have the head.
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I don't really know him too well, you know, but
I think, you know, he's a heck of a player.
And anytime you get to share Phil, you know some
legendary guys, you know, and you just try to gain
their respect.
Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Now there is always too you know, post game, hey,
you know, make sure you get the shot of the quarterbacks,
you know, dapping each other up, which of course CJ
last year with Caleb Williams, the kind of backfired on
him a little bit and people were like, oh, who
are you to give him that advice? Well, I don't know,
a guy that played really good is rookie year and
is telling him, don't take all those hits and get concussions.
Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Maybe sure, but then he proceeded to get in his
own way and take all those hits and avoided a concussion.
But I mean those gospace spade that's what happened last season.
Well then he you know, he got one this year too,
But that was on him. I'm not gonna blame the
offensive line and taking those hits. That was on him
sliding forward and then a late hit coming on in
the last second.
Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
It feels like if nothing else was CJ.
Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
And the reason why I played that audio is that
people want to believe in him again because I feel
like that we've kind of gone through a little bit
of an arc with him. It was twenty three, Oh, man,
this guy's awesome. Sky's the limit, This thing's gonna be amazing.
Twenty four, Uh oh, you know, is this who this
guy's really gonna be? And then, as I've said here,
in twenty five, we've had a little bit of a
mixed bag. We've had at the beginning where it was, man,
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maybe he is the twenty twenty four guy, and then
there's times where you're like, Okay, no, he's the twenty
twenty three guy like it feels like Sunday Night is
another chance for him to be able to convert believers again.
Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
Sure, but let me tell you, and we are not
telling you how to be a fan. I won't do that.
You can act however you want.
Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
What I will tell you is make sure that you
have enough data points before coming to a foregone conclusion
on anybody in any sport at what they do. Because
I was very adamant about this last year.
Speaker 4 (01:54:19):
I said that c J.
Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
Stroud was a top ten quarterback in the NFL if
he continues to build off of this, but right now
I have him at eleven, and I got so much pushback. Dan,
Everyone was just like, how you wanna say to the
Texans like you, you live in the city, you cover
the team, You go and see everything that we saw
last year. Hater hater, hater, hater, hater hater. No, I said,
because if I have one season of significant data to
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be able to say what CJ. Stroud is up to
this point, and so just to make sure that I
followed up, SUIT said the same thing about Jayden Daniels
this year, Jane Nalle's number eleven quarterback in the NFL, dude,
he put up better numbers than CJ. Stroud did last year.
He was a wild card team, that last team in
the NFC title game. That's really cool. There was one
data point of a full season. We had Jane Daniels.
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Now Jane Daniels and CJ. Strout probably in the same
packing order, twelve thirteenth rand quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
That's okay, if that's what you want to do.
Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
You guys all decide to jump the gun and crown
CJ to be the next big time thing when we
didn't know if he was. Josh Allen took three years
for him to finally come into fruition to prove that
he was the next big time thing.
Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
Baker Mayfield took three.
Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
Years to prove that he was a consistent winner. Patrick
Mahomes sat for an entire season before he came on
in and won the MVP. You don't have all the
answers after seventeen games with the rookie campaign where there's
no film on you for teams to be able to
figure out what you can do right and what you
can do wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:55:45):
So like spare me when it comes to the oh, well,
we you know well, CJ. He's lost a step.
Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
No, CJ's probably always been in this category, and he
has had a really, really good first year that defense
coordinators have been able to build around.
Speaker 5 (01:55:56):
Well.
Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
I mean, you know, you could also throw Bryce Young
in that category because I mean he he's made believers
Caleb Williams too. I mean, you know, a little bit
of is that Ben Johnson is a much improved offensive line.
But he was somebody that in his rookie season had
people wondering about him, and now he's starting to contract.
Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
He sucked.
Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Apparently, just the worst quarterback to ever exists. Can't believe
that team drapped in number one overall over Jadon Daniels, who,
again dealing with hits, dealing with injuries, dealing with bad
offensive line play hasn't been out there. But that's the point,
is that there comes a moment where eventually you have
enough data to say this is who he is as
a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
I think that TJ. Stroud still is the best quarterback
from his draft class. I think that CJ.
Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Stroud still is going to be a top twelve quarterback
two or three years from now. I think that you
should pay CJ. Stroud before the market dictates it's far
too heavy. But let's also remind ourselves that this time
last year, oh well, you know, offensive lines is so terrible.
Oh well, dealing with injuries at wide receivers, Oh well,
you know, the play calling fight by Bobby Sloak is terrible.
He's still has thrown into double coverage. He still is
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over shooting receivers when their wine open. He still is
taking sacks behind the line of scrimmage. Like, this is
something that he has got to work on and at
some point this is just who he is as a player.
You got to find a way to build around it.
Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Well, it's also too I mean, you know in the uh,
in the times of comparisons, there's there's always comparisons, and
you know, one of them, oh Tom Brady. Do We
also need to remind ourselves that Tom Brady really didn't
become you know, the hey he creates for for receivers
probably until about like year six or seven in his career.
And then last year the fanatics thing, and when somebody
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asked Peyton Manning about a sophomore slump for for CJ. Stroud,
he was like, well, let's kind of pump the brakes
a little bit He's made the playoffs in both seasons.
He's like, don't forget that. My rookie year, I had
the interceptions record. So like you know, of saying that
the guy's got a sophomore slump, Like, if that's the case,
then he's doing pretty good.
Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
When it's all said, c J.
Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Stroud still has fewer interceptions up to this point in
his career. There's three seasons than Peyton Manning had in
his first season. Who he's taken as a starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:58:03):
If you had to pick one on one between him
and Peyton man yes, well, I mean, of course you know,
knowing the body of work Peyton Manning, But my point just.
Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Is is that again, just because if you think that
you know everything after one season, just proves my area
of there are things that grow and manipulate and eventually
lead to where we have more of a good understanding.
Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
So like, yeah, CJ.
Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
Shroud is going to be I think a solid quarterback.
I think CJ's Shroud will play fine on SAT. I mean,
I think CJ will play fine on Sunday. I think
that he'll have his first touchdown pass since Week eight.
I think that he will connect with Nico Collins in
the end zone. I think the Texans will win. I
also think that there is more of a dialect that
needs to be had, that he's closer towards Dak Prescott,
closer towards Jalen Hurts than he is towards Lamar Jackson
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and Patch Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Well, even Lamar Jackson's got some people wondering about him
right now. But one season again, it goes right back
to the same point.
Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
One bad season, and now we're gonna say, ah, we
over related, we overrated Lamar, We overrated Lamar after having
two after having incredible success, growing as a passer, proven
that he is more than just a runner, ditching the
narrative that he's a running back. Oh but yeah, no,
we were proven right. It was those four years Dan.
Those four years were the outlier of it all, not
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just one bad season.
Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
Everybody wants to see a downfall.
Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
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Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
You mean, this is the Morning Drive when Dad and Cole.
Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
Was the show that we were doing during the show
off the year. But now, well you know, it comes
to life. So the Texans the last couple of years
have had disappointing losses to teams that you look back
at and you're like, how the hell did we lose
to that team? In twenty three it was on the
road to Carolina, and you come out of that game
against the Panthers and you're like, that's a bad loss,
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not really sure how that one happened.
Speaker 4 (02:00:26):
And then last year at home against the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 2 (02:00:30):
Well, the Texans have a perceived soft part of the
schedule coming up, where you've got the Raiders in town
and then you've got the Arizona Cardinals in those next
two games. Now this one, we're feeling good about Sunday
Nights in Kansas City, and I know a lot of
people are like, whoa, hey, don't don't ride off the
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Chiefs just yet, right.
Speaker 4 (02:00:52):
The horse, Let's just wait a little bit. But we
feel good about it, and we feel like the matchup
is in their favor.
Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
I would be coming in here on Monday morning screaming
that the season is over if they lose on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (02:01:03):
Yes, I feel that good about it. Oh really yeah?
All right, So so it goes a lot. There's a
lot on the line here. Everything is going downhill. I'll
say that they don't win by.
Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
Twenty Let's just say, for the sake of argument, though,
that we come in and they're the eight and five
Texans getting ready for the Raiders first. Raiders, So it
is the Cardinals first, So it is it is Arizona first,
a team that has gotten some teams this year too,
so it's not out of the Roma possibility. And they
and they took and you know, they took Tampa Bay
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to the brink here recently. So Jacobe Prissad is doing
things at least somewhat the right way there in Arizona.
But would that not be one of the most Texans
things ever to win this game and then come back
and lose that one and You're just like, come on, man,
we were just starting to believe in you.
Speaker 3 (02:01:49):
Do you believe this one or do you believe the Raiders?
Just the one that's more of a Texana the Cardinals
the Raiders are a dumpster fire. Yeah, I think it's
more of the Raiders. And the reason why is because
what happened last season. Well, you decide to go ahead
and play really well against most of your teams, and
then unfortunately, you start to get into a lull where
you cost yourself a game with multiple interceptions in the
second half against the Detroit Lions. But you got back
(02:02:11):
on the wagon and you start a win and then
you welcome to in a team that was led by
Will Levis at a coach that no longer is employed,
and you went five and one in the division because
you'll lost a match up to the number one overall
pick Tennessee Titans Dan. Right now, the Raiders are expected
to be a top three pick in this year's draft.
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The Raiders have no identity on the offense outside of
passing the football to Brock Bauers. They have a quarterback
that if a' mat mistaken still leads the NFL in interceptions.
They have a running game that is very obsolete because
they can't open lanes for Ashton Genty. That's the game
that I look at and I say, this where the
Texans finally want to mess it up. This will be
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a reason why Raiders fans will be furious and fuming
at the fact that they are now not having the
number one all we're all pick because they got too
many wins and Texans very infurious because how are you
able to beat up on Kansas City, Los Angeles, Buffalo, Indianapolis.
You're able to handle business against San Francisco, You really
are in most of the control most of the game
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against Tampa and you lose to the Raiders. That's the
one that we had the stick Alegas ort thumb. That's
a game I think that I'm worried about that.
Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
I mean that, you know, I was talking about it
in the last segment about you know, the belief in CJ.
Speaker 4 (02:03:25):
Stroud.
Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
I mean, is it kind of maybe you're you're teetering
on the line right now with Texans fans that if
if that does happen in either of these two games
against Arizona or against Las Vegas, that you're just like, dude, seriously, like, seriously,
I was just starting to believe in you and you
do this.
Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
No, I think it's it's it's well for me. The
Arizona game would be interesting because it just would.
Speaker 4 (02:03:46):
I ask you this.
Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
If you go back and you look at the Arizona
games this year, what's been the common denominator in all
nine the losses most games?
Speaker 5 (02:03:54):
No?
Speaker 3 (02:03:54):
Nothing there, yeah, nothing. They're blown out that they find
a way to mess up in the fourth quarter. The
Texans needed to have an insurmountable comeback against the Jacksonville
Jaguars to win that one.
Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
What if it's flipped. What if for some reason, Trey.
Speaker 3 (02:04:06):
McBride and Marvin Harrison Junior and Bam Night are all
making plays and Cobert Set's throwing downfield and give it
one or two explosive catches and you're in field goal range.
It's a close scoring affair and they just kind of
pull away and they start to come on back. It's
like nine to nothing, and then they get two touchdowns
and it ends up being a fourteen to nine finish.
Like that, to me, I could see happening. Because again,
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Houston this part of the schedule, playing on the road
the last two games, going the last three matchups against
playoff bound rosters or playoff bound expected rosters.
Speaker 4 (02:04:36):
Then you welcome in Arizona.
Speaker 3 (02:04:38):
Okay, I mean I could see this being closed, but
I also think that Houston's prepared for this game. You're
sleep walking through Las Vegas. Everyone's looking ahead to Los Angeles.
Everyone's paying too much close attention to what we have
to do when we face off, and welcome in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (02:04:51):
You're like, oh, eliminating for the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (02:04:53):
They're gonna fire their coach, they already fire their offensive coordinator.
They don't have a good quarterback. Their defense is trash.
They I have no idea any when it comes to
running the football. They have one weapon that they can target,
and you forget about that and you forget to game plan,
and everything now is focused in on Oh well, we
didn't forget to game plan. We figured that you were
going to pass us spy. We meant to be prepared
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for this like it was our Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (02:05:15):
Well, I think a couple of things that are working
in favor of this year's team is well, at least
the last four games, you found a way to either
come back and win a close game or hold on
and win a close game. That was not the case
early on in the season. And I think the other
part of it too is for the early part of
the season is you're in desperation mode. I mean, this
is where even if you went on Sunday, you're not
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guaranteed anything. So I think if nothing else, that there
can be a little bit more of a lean in
for focus on this one of Hey, we can't allow
it to be this one. We don't want to look
back and say, hey, why didn't we make the playoffs
because you didn't show up against Arizona or Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (02:05:53):
I think again, my big thing is that I think
if you don't show up against Arizona, whether or not,
I think that it's supposed to happen, because again, you're
supposed to being up on it.
Speaker 4 (02:06:02):
Seem like Arizona. I think you're fine.
Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
I think that that's not a game that you worry
about because that's the one where you wake on up
and you realize there is no margin for error. We
can still beat Indianapolis because we've already done it justin.
Herbert's an overrated quarterback in the NFL, so no problem there.
Despite playing on the road, we're not gonna let us
fall short against Las Vegas. The Las Vegas one is
really infuriating to me, because that's just a non negotiable.
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How in the hell are you allowing a team that's
that bad even coming close to your strats for of
being in the conversation with you?
Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
Can you sure repeat itself someone three two one two
five seven ninety or can the Texans find any way
to be able to guard against said history repeating itself?
As we'll head back out to the phone lines, kJ
wants to weigh Good morning, kJ.
Speaker 5 (02:06:44):
Morning fellers, love the show Man, love the new format.
Been a fan of the station for years. Thanks real quick,
we need to stop to listen. If the Texas lose
against the Raiders didn't have nothing to do with them
losing against Tennessee last year. Those games are completely separate entities.
Things happen over the course of the season. Teams on
occasion will lose against a team that they shouldn't lose against.
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It has no bearing on what happened with Will Levits
and all that other crap you mentioned earlier. They have
that there's no correlations there. The things that the themes
that if the Texas lose against any subpart team, it
will flat out be because the thing there was regression
at some point, whether it be with the offensive line,
whether it be with TJ. Sharud having a a brain
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part and not playing at the standard that he's already
set over the course of his career. Granted, his rookie
season was much better than what we've seen so far,
but they're still room for growth. Honestly, my estimation, any
loss that we take in the remainder of the season,
it's gonna fallen on the lap of the offensive line
because that is literally the only weakness of this team.
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The running back corps is solid. You would like more
out of Woody Marksen, Nick Chubb, but Dick Chubb is
what he is and see and what he is a rookie.
The receiving room is solid. The defenses is I mean,
I don't need need to say anything about the defense.
Whatever loss we take the remainder of this season, if
we do take another loss, we'll be solely at the
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hands of the offensive line being ineffective, not keeping CZ upright,
or if CJ regretses to the point to what he
does some of the things you guys mentioned earlier, him
holding on to the ball too long, him not stepping
into the pocket when there's an opportunity as opposed to
stepping back in the yard to take an attack. Those
will be the reasons we lost. Let's not over domatize it.
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It has nothing to do with something that happened last
year or two years ago. If they lose at any
point this year, it will be sold it for those reasons.
And I to hang up in the list.
Speaker 3 (02:08:40):
kJ can't Jay before you hang up, Man, before you
hang out pro fast. You did just say a second ago.
It has nothing to do with those what happened the
last two years. Would you say that right now Geno
Smith is one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL?
Speaker 15 (02:08:52):
Absolutely okay.
Speaker 3 (02:08:53):
Would you say last season Will Levis was one of
the worst quarterbacks in the NFL?
Speaker 8 (02:08:59):
Absolutely okay.
Speaker 3 (02:09:00):
So if the Tennessee Times are one of the worst
teams in the NFL and the Las Vegas area is
one of the worst teams in the NFL this season,
you're telling me that there's no correlation whatsoever between the two.
When it's a game at home that you feel like
you're supposed to be coasting over an opponent and you
overlook them there's no correlations.
Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
It's what's called a coincidence. Will Levis is playing tomorrow.
We're not playing to the see tomorrow if we lose
against the Raiders, and absolutely nothing to do with what
we able to get tones right.
Speaker 4 (02:09:27):
But now it's a track that happening year in and
year out.
Speaker 3 (02:09:30):
That's the problem, kJ, is that every year the Texans
can find a way to get a win that they're
not supposed to get.
Speaker 4 (02:09:36):
A win over. I'll tell you right now, Buffalo, it's
not just but the Texans are team.
Speaker 3 (02:09:41):
If you're trying to put yourself in the conversation kJ, kJ,
if you're trying to put yourself in the conversation kJ,
if you're trying to put yourself in the conversation of
being a legit team, one of the best in the AFC,
like Kansas City has, like Baltimore has, like Buffalo has,
like any of these other teams have. They don't lose
those type of games. They lose close games to teams
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like Houston, they lose close games to teams like Pittsburgh,
but they don't lose to the bottom dwellers and the
cellar markets and the merchants and the rat poison that
comes down.
Speaker 4 (02:10:10):
In the AFC. That's not what they do. And that's
the different streets Houston there.
Speaker 8 (02:10:15):
All right, let me ask you this.
Speaker 5 (02:10:17):
There, we beat I don't remember if it was Week
four or some weapon that we beat the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 3 (02:10:21):
Correct, we beat a Week five Baltimore Ravens team that
had nine players on the ir for the defensive side.
Speaker 4 (02:10:26):
But yes, we did beat that team.
Speaker 5 (02:10:27):
Okay, So I don't know what the Ravens record was
last year. I think they were like twelve and five
or thirteen and four or something like that.
Speaker 4 (02:10:35):
Twelve.
Speaker 5 (02:10:36):
When I get off the phone, go and look at
if you don't have to do it during the show
in between breaks, if you get a check, I haven't
look at the record, look at the Look at the
teams that the Ravens lost to you last year, and
whatever game they lost, I guarantee you in that mix
they lost to what they lost to a team that
they shouldn't have lost to you. You are right, that
had absolutely no bearing on the Texans of them losing
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to the They left to the Texas because they had
a bunch of injuries. They had nothing to do with
with anything that happened last year. If we lose against
the Raiders, again, nothing that happened yesterday affects today. I mean,
it's easy to say that to make a point, but
the fact of the matter is that we lose against
the Raiders, it's currently because of something that happened in game.
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It has absolutely nothing to what would happened with Tennessee
last year.
Speaker 4 (02:11:23):
Appreciate it. kJ. Don't be a stranger man.
Speaker 2 (02:11:27):
I mean, I get what he's saying, and I do
agree with them on where you know, seasons don't translate,
But I mean I do think that patterns do, and
I think that that's that's where you know it's not
And I don't think we know we would be looking at,
you know, conceivably if you lost either of those two games,
being like, now, well that's what this team does. You
know that they lose games. But again, I mean, you
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know it happens once. Okay, it happens twice, it's a coincidence.
A third time, then it is a pattern.
Speaker 3 (02:11:54):
Who went to the Super Bowl last season from the
AFC Chiefs, who did they lose to in the regular season?
Speaker 4 (02:12:00):
I'm not sure. The Buffalo Bills and a well.
Speaker 3 (02:12:03):
Rested Kansas City Chiefs backup squad lost to the Denver
Broncos fighting for their spot in the playoffs. There's a
reason why we view them as a playoff team and
as the playoff favorite.
Speaker 4 (02:12:12):
That's where we are.
Speaker 8 (02:12:14):
That's just it.
Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
If you are good enough and you're supposed to be
viewed as the favorite, you're supposed to win the games
against the teams that you're not supposed to lose to
the bottom dwellers, the rat cesspool that is the AFC,
the AFC seller.
Speaker 4 (02:12:28):
You're not supposed to lose those games. You just aren't.
Speaker 3 (02:12:30):
That's why I didn't say Arizona. If you lose to Arizona,
I think it's really, really, really just bad overall performance.
Maybe Arizona has that spark that day and you don't.
If you lose to the Raiders, this Raiders team, like
last season you lost to that Titans team.
Speaker 4 (02:12:45):
It's a pattern.
Speaker 2 (02:12:46):
It is someone three two, one, two, five, seven to
ninety would see right there working into the conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:12:52):
Also, JJ Watt, is he a chameleon? After all?
Speaker 2 (02:12:55):
We'll discuss as it is The Morning Drive with Dan
and Cole Year on a Thursday of Sports Talk seven ninety.
Speaker 6 (02:13:02):
The Morning Drive with Dn and Cole on Sports Talk
seven ninety, home of the Strolls, Rockets, and Houston's best Sports.
Speaker 4 (02:13:11):
Talk Wood Once Away and Good Morning would Fellas.
Speaker 16 (02:13:16):
Now, the problem that we normally have on our offensive
line is the teams that we're going to play against
don't have a strong defensive tackle that pushed that middle.
The teams that we have to play against that's left.
Those teams were like the Rams, Seattle, Tampa Bay. They
gave us problems because they were pushing that middle.
Speaker 13 (02:13:37):
Because our guns were so soft.
Speaker 5 (02:13:39):
They could not do anything with it.
Speaker 16 (02:13:40):
And once that middle collapse, Teacher had nowhere to step
up to and then the ends would collapse around him
where he had no choice.
Speaker 5 (02:13:47):
But to get sacked.
Speaker 16 (02:13:48):
Now, what's been going on lately with the last four games,
especially started with the three games where Mells played. Trent
Brown had shown a great presence on that right Tiple side.
Speaker 5 (02:14:01):
That way, he was able to move Howard.
Speaker 16 (02:14:04):
Down to that guard, just strengthen it up a little better.
He's a better guard than the guards that we have
planned when he supposed to a better right tople Now
with Brown out there, that the offensive line could give
him enough.
Speaker 5 (02:14:18):
Protection now to be able to at least go to
his second a third receiver.
Speaker 16 (02:14:24):
Now, the great thing that what CJ. Was able to
do when he was off was watch what was going
on with the game. And because the coaching has been horrible,
they haven't been coaching him up, letting him know what
he needed to do. What they've been trying to do
was it's trying to make him Tom Brady, we want
you to go through your third, second, third receiver and
see who's open. He didn't have that kind of time
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to do that. But when Mills was in there, Mills
was going to his first receiver. He was getting the
ball out of his head fast. He was not taking
any facts, getting the ball out fast. But c they
started to learn is you know what, I ain't got
time to sit up here, how to listen to what
the coaches are saying and go through all these receivers.
I'm gonna get the ball out my hand, get out
this pocket. I'm gonna keep this ball.
Speaker 5 (02:15:07):
Moving, just like Mills did.
Speaker 16 (02:15:09):
So it was good for him to sit on that
sideline and see what to do. Now the team is
that we lost to last year. In the first year,
like you're talking about Carolina. When Bright Shawn came down here,
we lost. We lost Atlanta Falcons, We almost lost the
Tennessee this year because that was a close game.
Speaker 1 (02:15:26):
Those games we're not gonna lose this year.
Speaker 5 (02:15:28):
Our defense is too song.
Speaker 16 (02:15:30):
Our offense is gonna move the ball good enough. But
the problem is once we get to third and two
off for one, that's where it comes down to our
offensive line that's still soft.
Speaker 5 (02:15:43):
We have no push.
Speaker 16 (02:15:45):
But what we have been able to do is spread
the ball around where we use Woody to get outside
a little bit to get that first down.
Speaker 5 (02:15:55):
But with him with an ankle injury a little bit,
that might slow I.
Speaker 16 (02:15:58):
Run down a little bit. But that's not going to
get me into problems because I know.
Speaker 5 (02:16:02):
We're going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 16 (02:16:04):
In the ALC, we can whoop anybody till in ALC.
Speaker 5 (02:16:07):
That's left. The only problem that where Kansas City we
don't have is Chelsea.
Speaker 16 (02:16:12):
Chelsea kill us in the middle because we don't have
nobody that can really hold him in that slot coverage
and he normally I always have a field day on him.
But I'm not worried about that because we should still
be able to overcome and whoop Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (02:16:30):
All right, I'm got a lot of everybody in the
city of Houston. No, would that if they don't go
to the super Bowl, it's your fault. Yeah, you just
being it clear that they're gonna go to.
Speaker 4 (02:16:37):
The super Bowl. I will push back on one thing
they said.
Speaker 3 (02:16:41):
The reason why Kansas City was able to beat the
craft out of us last season when it came to
the UH type for when it came to Travis kelcey
who wasn't out there, Dan, There's a certain name that
plays in the slot that does a really good job
of guarding tight ends that wasn't out there because he
was dealing with the season ending chess injury.
Speaker 4 (02:17:00):
Was a Jalen Petrie.
Speaker 3 (02:17:01):
Jalan Petrick not playing the Division round last season, so
now he's in that game. So I actually do think
that this will be a limited, limited game for Travis
kelce If you're gonna win, you're gonna win against with
Raschi Rice and you're gonna move with the Xavier Worthy. Now,
I also want to make this clear Dan, for everybody
out here. So seven one thirty two two nine, if
you want time on in. I do not think the
Texans are going to lose to the Cardinals. I do
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not think the Texans are going to lose to the Raiders.
I don't think that whatsoever. I think the Texans could
easily with how well the defense has been playing, with
the offensive line making necessary changes, they are going to
be able to go on a nine game win streak
to close things out. I believe that that could happen.
But much like whenever we have the conversation about Alabama
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versus Georgia, Hey Kurby smart is one in seven against
the Alabama Crimson Tide with or without Nick Saban out there.
Until I see it, I'm gonna lean in favor of
Alabama to win that game ninety nine percent of the
time because history says it happens with the Texans over
the last two years. History says they're going to win
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a game against opponent that they shouldn't, they're going to
lose a game to an opponent that they shouldn't. Until
I see it, I'm gonna believe that that's still on
the table. Those are the two teams that are left
on your schedule that you can lose to. Similarly to
how you lost the Kansas, I mean Carolina, and similarly,
how you lost the Tassie last year.
Speaker 2 (02:18:21):
Well, I share the JJ Watt thought here before we
get to Trey Wallace, but Dave on the north side
wants away in Dave, good morning, Good morning guys.
Speaker 15 (02:18:31):
Believe you that you are my favorite morning host on
Bostalk seven. I I just want to say that, thank you.
Speaker 4 (02:18:39):
I appreciate it, man gees.
Speaker 15 (02:18:41):
Sir, the key for the Texans to beat the Kansas
City Chiefs is basically the stop two people. Patrick Mahomes
and Trapp as Kelsey agreed before I continue, I.
Speaker 4 (02:18:57):
Want you, guys, I gonna say beating Travis Kelsey is
the key.
Speaker 3 (02:19:00):
Yes, I will agree with you on that one, which
then of course correlates over to Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 15 (02:19:06):
Can the Texans have a safety or cornerback on Travis
Kelcey and have two linebackers on Travis Kelcey? What I
mean by that is have three people guarding Travis kelce.
Speaker 4 (02:19:24):
No, you can't do that, Dave. That's that's malpractice because
when you.
Speaker 15 (02:19:28):
Have about how about two people?
Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
I think I think that what you can do is
you can have a safety roll over the top to
guarantee that where if Jalen Petrie, who will be more
than likely the man covering Travis Kelcey on Saturday, I
mean Sunday, you can have a safety roll over the
top to where if there is a mistackle, you don't
allow to beat you afterwards, so it's limited yards after contact.
But no, I still think that right now when it
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comes to what this matchup is, you need to neutralize
Travis Kelcey, but you can't have three guys on them
because you only have seven guys in coverage against four
or five opponents. So that leaves you on an island
with other players, whether that be Kamari Laster, whether that
be whoever is going to be starting at safety now
with Jalen Reed being out, it more than likely is
Jalen Mills. With questions out of the backfield with whoever
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they have, Isaiah Pacheco, Damian Pierce. There's a lot of
ways so where you can't have three and two, you
can have at least a conversation of we're rolling a
guy into a position, but then you got to be
playing in a more zone coverage. That way you guarantee that, hey,
let's say Rashie Rice is one on one downfield and
he wins that battle, well you can't say, well, we're
just covering Travis kelce when you have a really good
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wide receiver that can break.
Speaker 4 (02:20:35):
On open for a game to twenty.
Speaker 15 (02:20:38):
I get what you're saying, and I'm totally agreeing with
you about Travis kelce me and you agree with that.
But what I'm saying is that you know, I don't
want Travis kelcey as a youthon Texans fan to beat you.
And what I'm saying is that you know, utilize a
safety old cornerback over the top, so a Travis beat
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you and then double team Travis Kelsey. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
I mean, agreed, Yeah, I mean, I don't think you're
going to mean a situation where you've got a double team.
Speaker 4 (02:21:12):
I mean, I appreciate the call. I just I don't
think he's that player anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:21:17):
But I do think that he is somebody that I mean,
Andy Reid is somebody that is incredible at being able
to game plan and being able to scheme guys open
that I think Kelsey would be one of those guys.
Because your attention is going to be unworthy. It's going
to be on Ray Shie Rice, It's it's going to
be on any of the other guys. And I think
that Kelsey, who I mean to Dave's point, has been
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a Texans killer in the past.
Speaker 4 (02:21:40):
It's up to him to prove that he can still
be that guy.
Speaker 2 (02:21:42):
I trust the defense against him, and I trust you
being able to play the way that you've continued to play.
Speaker 3 (02:21:47):
Travis Kelcey in the last two games last season, he
had twelve catches for one hundred and one hundred and
forty nine yards in a touchdown, and he averaged sixteen
point three yards of play.
Speaker 4 (02:21:55):
So yeah, he's a killer. I'm not going to disagree
with you on that.
Speaker 3 (02:21:58):
What I'm also going to say is not playing a safety,
a nickel defender, and a linebacker all on eighty seven
and creating opportunities for people to get on.
Speaker 2 (02:22:06):
Open All right, So let's swing back into the college
football conversation because Trey Wallace Alkick dot Com he'll hop
on with us to talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 4 (02:22:17):
So we'll do it right here. It is the Morning
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Speaker 4 (02:22:31):
I'm all for ruckus basketball.
Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
We also got our great slates of conference championship games
this weekend in college football and cole That's what we're
going to talk about right now.
Speaker 3 (02:22:42):
Trey Wallace from Alkick dot com joins us. You might
give me a follow on social media at Trey Wallace
Underscore and Trey I'm gonna start off pretty early and
pretty easy as a lot of Texas fans who are
wondering what their fate is. Number one, do the Longhorns
have a shot of going to the college football playoff?
Speaker 4 (02:22:58):
And number two?
Speaker 3 (02:23:00):
Are they being unfairly penalized for losing three games, including
one by twenty five points to Georgia and won by
nine points to Florida Teina Fish fourty.
Speaker 10 (02:23:11):
Good morning guys, on my way to Atlanta to cover
an SEC championship weekend, and I would say Texas is
kind of in a bad spot right now. They're gonna
need absolute madness to happen this weekend. I probably would
start with you need BYU out of the way. I
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think Texas Tech needs to win that game by fourteen
seventeen points. I think the lines twelve and a half
right now, get them, by the way, probably have Virginia
winning the ACC title. Don't let the craziness of Duke
happen because then you get two G five teams in
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the other scenario. And why I really chose this game
in Atlanta the SEC time is because I'm curious to
see what happens if Alabama goes down here and they
lose by let's just say, to two scores, three scores,
fourteen seventeen points. Does the committee look at Alabama and say,
all right, wait a minute, we can't put this team
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in here. They didn't really play well against Auburn. They
gotta be by Oklahoma, you know. So does that knock
somebody else out of the way? Now, I know the
conversation would obviously shift to Miami in Notre Dame, but
I think one would probably get in.
Speaker 4 (02:24:31):
Over the other.
Speaker 10 (02:24:32):
So what I'm getting at is, look, there's still hope.
But if I was Texas, I'd have probably took Bacon
Vanderbilt up on their offer to maybe run it back
one more time and see if they could play an
exhibition game to make their strength to schedule.
Speaker 4 (02:24:46):
A little bit harder.
Speaker 10 (02:24:47):
I just I don't see how Texas gets in and
I think, and I'm not trying to be the downer here,
but I think the committee is looking at Miami and
really trying to figure out a way to get into
the College Football Playoff before they're going to start worrying
about Texas Brother Trey.
Speaker 2 (02:25:04):
Is there any scenario that A and M is not
hosting a playoff game here in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 10 (02:25:09):
I you would have to get really, really tricky when
it comes to Atlanta. I think that so so the
Big Ten title game Indiana and Ohio State. Unless one
of those teams wins by thirty points, they're both gonna
get a first round by and and I guess rightfully.
Speaker 5 (02:25:27):
So, I think that.
Speaker 10 (02:25:31):
The interesting factor would be what happens if Alabama wins.
Speaker 4 (02:25:37):
The SEC title game?
Speaker 10 (02:25:39):
Would they leap into that spot and be able to
host now don't I don't think that could potentially happen,
But I think Texas A and M might be on
the outskirts right now. Looking now, I I think Texas
A and M should should be a team in my opinion.
I don't know if they should have dropped that far
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coming off their first law. That's just my opinion, but
I think that we get down to it. I think
the first round by is probably out of the picture
unless here's the other one, unless Texas Tech gets out.
Speaker 4 (02:26:12):
Of the way with the loss of BYU.
Speaker 10 (02:26:15):
And then, like I said earlier, potentially you throw the
wrinkle in to Georgia, then maybe you got something going there.
But I think that we're lining up to see Texas
A and M potentially hosting a first round game. It's
a little bit of madness happens this weekend.
Speaker 3 (02:26:32):
Trey Wallace fromoukick dot Com with Migan McFall on Twitter.
It's at Trey Wallace underscore. All right, Trey Lane Kiffin's
off to LSU. He's gonna have a top ten recruiting class.
Speaker 4 (02:26:41):
He mays bad.
Speaker 3 (02:26:42):
He decided to lie on it. There's a lot of
LSU fans you feel one way. There's a lot of
America it feels the other way. So I'm gonna ask
you straight on up. Is Lane kill Kiffen the villain
in all of this? Or is this just the nature
of college football?
Speaker 10 (02:26:54):
Unfortunately, it's the nature of college football. But at the
same time, Lane Kiffen didn't do anything to help himself
to become the villain. I mean, that's exactly what it is.
I mean the way that he handled he knew he
would look. We talked to multiple sources about this over
the last seven weeks. I mean, Lane Kiffin was gone
from Oxford guy six weeks ago. Now, if you want
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to get into the finality of the situation, when Keith Carter,
the ad at old Miss put out that statement, I
guess it was two fridays ago. Now, Lane Kiffin had
already verbally committed to LSU. That was a wrap that
was done. I think that the way that he handled
the week leading up to it, he knew he wasn't
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coaching in the playoff like that was done. They had
told him that three and a half weeks ago, you
aren't coaching in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (02:27:43):
Sorry.
Speaker 10 (02:27:43):
Now it got a little bit interesting when it comes
to the SEC Championship. If Auburn would have pulled off
the comeback against Alabama, I think I would probably be
covering Kiffin in Atlanta this weekend. I'm not gonna lie. Now,
he might already be here because of College Game Day,
and you know LSU's going to try to throw him
as many television sets as possible. But I don't know
(02:28:04):
how else to look at Lank Kiffin right now as
the villain of the old misstep because of everything that
went down. I mean, guys, we're talking about three weeks ago.
You had assistant coaches being polled on where they would
like to be at next year. LSU was one, Florida
(02:28:24):
was one, Old Miss was one, and then Florida State
was another one. So they had already put this thing
in motion. And then when you get to your offense.
So when he met with Keith Carter on Saturday night
in Oxford after the Egg Bowl this past weekend, he
laid out to Keith, all right, look, if you don't
let me come, and this is like his last ditch effort.
(02:28:46):
He goes, if you don't like me, and I'm paraphrasing here,
So don't don't go to crow to crazy on social media, folks.
Speaker 5 (02:28:50):
But if you want me.
Speaker 10 (02:28:52):
Here, or you want to have a bad situation when
it comes to the college foo Wall playoff without an
offensive staff here to help you, you better keep me
through the playoffs. That right there, that's not really bad
with me. I don't don't threaten to derail these players
seasons by leaving and then also taking all your offensive
(02:29:14):
staffs with you, and I think I think overall that's.
Speaker 4 (02:29:18):
Where it got bad.
Speaker 10 (02:29:19):
I mean, it was already rough inside the facility and
knocking a lot of you guys. But at the same time,
when you're trying to screw over your players, man, that
just doesn't sit well with me. And I think at
the same time, that's why you saw a d Keith Carter.
You know, they were supposed to have a press conference yesterday,
but he held off on that. And what he did
was he did a bunch of media rounds with the
(02:29:40):
old miss guys, and I thought that was a smart
way to go, and he laid it out like the
leadership guys. I'm telling you, like Sunday morning, when Lane
Kiffin said in his press conference on Monday that he
met with the players and ah, the leadership council wanted
them around.
Speaker 5 (02:29:56):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 10 (02:29:57):
The leadership council set a trap for him. Lane Kiffin
thought that the leadership counsel, which is about seven guys,
the leaders on the team, they pretty much they're they're
the voice of the football team. So Kiffin thought that
they were gonna go to Keith Carter and say, hey,
we want coach around you know, let's figure out a way. No,
they went into that meeting and said, hey, he's got
(02:30:19):
to go. What are we doing with our with our
position coaches. Let's make sure that they're okay. So like
it flipped the script on Kiffin. He thought he was
getting one thing, he got the other. And then once
it was officially done per se late Saturday night that
Pete Golding was going to take over, Kifflon was gone.
He wasn't arguing his way out of the Manning Center
(02:30:40):
in Oxford. That was it, and I think it all.
You know, it came to a head when they decided,
all right, well you're gone. Ten minutes before the team meeting.
They walked him out with an escort, gets to the
car and heads to the Oxford Airport and it's a wrap, Like,
I just he handled this very bad. I was in
(02:31:00):
Starkville covering that game on Friday. I didn't particularly like
him going up to a reporter and talking about it.
I don't know if we can even say this on
the radio, but pretty much turning a person into a housewife.
And I'm sitting there like did that just happen? Like
did he really just do that? He knew the cameras
are around, Like he saw me, he saw five other cameras.
(02:31:22):
So he just handled it really bad man, and you
can't trust him in I think that look, LSU knows
what they're getting in Lane Kiffin. I would advise LSU
fans get ready, there's gonna be some interesting moments. You're
gonna love him. Lane Kiffin's an enjoyable character. Okay, but
there's a reason why I just said character. He brings
the circus with him.
Speaker 2 (02:31:42):
Cole again, Trey wallacealkick dot Com join us for a
couple more minutes. And I mean, do you feel like
a little bit of that though, is like a perception
that that's playing in that Oh he's the same guy.
Speaker 4 (02:31:54):
He's never gonna change.
Speaker 10 (02:31:57):
I've said this, I've known Lame for a lot long time.
There's two different Lane Kiffins. There's a football Lane Kiffin
and then there's the at home Lane Kiffen. And I
think what you are seeing right now is football Lane Kiffin.
What he does on social media, how he handled himself
with the press. You guys all saw the press conference
(02:32:18):
on Monday, the statement that he tweeted out, you know,
while he was at the Oxford Airport about the board
of playing the Baton Rouge, the interview he gave to
Marty Smith and shout out to my boy Marty for
all the hard work he was doing. That's that's football,
Lane Kiffin. I think that if you put him up
to a lot of detective test and really said, man,
(02:32:40):
you know that you believe half the stuff you're saying,
he would fail, and he knew he would fail. So
that's how I'm getting at Like there, he he's like
a wrestling promoter, like he's almost like Vince McMahon, like
I'm being honest with you guys, like, well, maybe Vincent,
they had not the right person to put out there.
Ben's Derrick miss Off. That's probably a better one. He's
(02:33:00):
gonna do everything he can to promote the program, promote
his brand, promote LSU now. And I think he did
a darn good job of that at Old Miss, guys
that he took Ole Miss the.
Speaker 4 (02:33:10):
Levels they hadn't been at in history.
Speaker 10 (02:33:14):
And I think that at the end of the day,
in five years, six years, you know, I know the
exit was bad. I know he left during a college
football playoff run. He's hoping that Old Myths fans are
gonna love him, and I'm just telling you guys, like
this is not going away. And if I could, I
go ahead and put my media credential in right now
(02:33:35):
for that LSU Old Miss game next year in Oxford.
If I could, I've already booked a hotel for it.
So it's it's gonna be wild, and he's gonna be
remembered for leaving a team. And I'll be honest with you,
the perfect storyline for this one, and I.
Speaker 4 (02:33:46):
Think you would both agree.
Speaker 5 (02:33:48):
Old Myth goes on a.
Speaker 10 (02:33:49):
Run and at least plays for a national championship. Not
winning it, but at least plays for a national championship
would be just fantastic.
Speaker 4 (02:33:56):
Half of America. I think he is rooted for that.
Speaker 3 (02:33:58):
Trey Wallace from out Kick fall on Twitter at Trey
Wallace underscore Trey, this is the first and definitely not
the last time I'm gonna have you on have an
address your weekend, Enjoy Atlanta and I'll text you after
Alabama beats Kirby Smart for the eighth straight time.
Speaker 10 (02:34:13):
Man, that's just a crazy storyline, right, We'll see, But
I appreciate you guys having me. Congrats on the show.
Keep killing it and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4 (02:34:20):
Thank you, appreciate you, Chus appreciate buddy.
Speaker 2 (02:34:23):
Yeah, Trey Wallace again alkick dot com one of the
real good guys in the business. Appreciate being able to
catch up with them. Well, we appreciate one guy who
gave us sage advice from experience, and also to another
guy for pulling off a great troll.
Speaker 4 (02:34:37):
Both of those things. BEFO.
Speaker 2 (02:34:39):
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Speaker 6 (02:36:07):
They are But on Morning Drive here's Dan Matthews and
Cole Thompson.
Speaker 4 (02:36:14):
We can have a recap on Monday about the Mean
Green and what Eric Moore future, John Summer all head coaches.
Speaker 2 (02:36:21):
I'll watch the game. That's about as far as my
knowledge needs to go there, and I think most of
the audience probably feels the same way, and that's okay,
that's all good, all right. So the Rockets when last
Night one twenty one ninety five over the Sacramento Kings,
They're gonna get the Suns in town tomorrow night, Texans
back to work on the practice field.
Speaker 4 (02:36:37):
Do you want ultimate trolling or do you want sage advice? First?
Speaker 3 (02:36:43):
I would like to end the show with somebody feeling
like that they're just a sad sack of an individual.
Speaker 4 (02:36:48):
So give me the stage advice first, sage advice.
Speaker 2 (02:36:50):
So Jameis Winston, who was on TikTok, which it feels
like if there was a social medium that was made
for somebody, that this would be made for Jamis Winston.
Speaker 4 (02:36:59):
Follow him on TikTok. He's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (02:37:00):
So Jamis was at a New York subway station in
this video where he's got a little bit of a
mashup of music playing in the background, first of Billy
Joel's Piano Man and then also of Fleetwood Max Silver Spring.
And in the caption of it's him looking at an
incoming subway train. What the caption that says, in your twenties,
(02:37:21):
you will walk by the seafood section at publics.
Speaker 4 (02:37:23):
It is very important that you keep walking. I love
this guy. I love them like seriously, Like I can't
get enough of Jamus, like I want.
Speaker 2 (02:37:33):
I've never rooted for a guy's career to end so
much faster because of what I know his post football
career will be.
Speaker 3 (02:37:38):
What I have said on multiple occasions is I'm fine
if athletes want to have podcasts, I may or may
not subscribe to it. I will be the first subscriber
and a religious like we're seeing the Spotify wraps come
up this year, like the point zero one, which means
you listen to nearly every minute of every single word said.
Speaker 2 (02:37:53):
That will be me on a Jameis Winston podcast. Yeah,
that's me with Rogan and with Theovonne I will eat.
Speaker 4 (02:37:58):
Do you listen to Theovon? Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:37:59):
I do.
Speaker 2 (02:38:00):
Theovon's great, he is I can't get into Rogan with him.
With Bobby Lee, I can probably get into Theovon. I
don't think I can get in a Rogan. I think
I'm just too late that THEO he's just so random.
I mean like bringing up cocaine use with the possible
vice president and he's like, yeah, totally not you me.
I love I love the story about how his dad died.
(02:38:21):
I know, it's just not a lot, dude. It's just
like it's like you know you you want red neck
and noess he's got you on that. THEO is awesome.
He's one of my favorites, all right, the ultimate trolling.
So we know that James Franklin is now at Virginia
Tech and uh, his former employer of Penn State tried
to get Kilani Sataki from BYU to come and join them,
(02:38:43):
and he decided to stay at BYU. And apparently a
huge reason for that was the CEO of Crumble Cookies
was a huge driving force by keeping him at BYU.
Speaker 4 (02:38:52):
Oh yeah, he loves he loves the Kuggers.
Speaker 2 (02:38:54):
So did you see maybe so who knows, I don't
know about his personal life, but did you see what
James Franklin served at the Virginia Tech National Signing Day
celebration yesterday?
Speaker 4 (02:39:06):
Crumble Cookies.
Speaker 2 (02:39:08):
That's to say that are so screwed you. You are
a disaster and you didn't have to get rid of me,
and you did. And now look at you, look at
no game plan, You have no moral pathway. You are
absolutely gonna suck next year. Enjoy Terry Smith. The idiots
see just trolling like that.
Speaker 4 (02:39:25):
It warms my heart. I am very fine with it,
as am I.
Speaker 2 (02:39:29):
He's Cole Thompson, Triple, Emmanuel Elmore, Dan Matthews, The Matt
Thomas Show with Ross coming up next.
Speaker 4 (02:39:33):
We will talk to you in twenty hours.
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