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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Let's This is one of my favorite segments called Legends
of the Locker Room. And there's no better person than
I would rather have in this uh particular moment. He
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hails from h Town with the get down. He's a
proud car carrying member of dB U. He doesn't like
white condiments, but he is one of those dudes that
you gotta get down with.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's my guy, Rod Babers. What's up, Rod?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Man? I appreciate the daughters, but that takes me back
right there. Man, that's right.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
People always talk about our time on Ball Don't Lie
and how much fun we always had, And I always
tell people that you always had to check me every
once in a while because you would say, hey, man,
we talking like we.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
In the barbershop.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We got to chill out a little bit because we
got so comfortable with the way that the.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Show was being run.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So always appreciate you keeping me.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
On track and giving me the words of wisdom to
be able to sit in the chair that I'm sitting.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
In right now.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Bro Now, Man, I miss you, Man. I missed those times. Man.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
It was fun.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Definitely one of the best times that I had doing radio.
So glad you're doing well.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You got to the great work.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
And Mark, nice to talk to you too.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
No, no problem, man, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So let's get into it, man, because you know, as
I said, you're a proud card carrying member of DBU.
Dwayne and Keena being back on the forty acres. I
saw a picture of you talking to him early in
the season. What does this mean for this Texas football
team to have the godfather of DBU back on the squad,
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Because you're seeing the interceptions and the turnovers keep picking up.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
No, I'm not surprised by that because I mean, coaching
Kina really taught me to be a student of the game.
You know, he teaches you conceptually, you know what the
game is about, so you kind of understand the game
at a deeper level. Uh.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
He'll increase and those guys are obviously the football like
you is pretty high. I think he'll increase the football
IQ and intelligence of the coaches there in that secondary,
the young coaches they got, but also a lot of
the players that includes a guy like Michael Taffam. What
I was told Michael taff was you know, was was
following coach Quina around religiously. Uh during the offseason. He
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couldn't get rid of him. He was like man mac attack,
He's always around, He's always around. And apparently Grayson Littleton
was following Michael taff Brown all the time, so uh,
they were always in uh, you know, coach Atina's ear.
And I think ultimately, you know, he's actually kind of
a segue to Mississippi State.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
It's gonna be a.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Really good test actually for you know, coach Akina and
him building up that communication center in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Because you're gonna lose your massive communicator for a while.
Michael Tapp foule, I don't know if I'm jumping ahead here.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You're gonna lose him, So good test to coach a Kina.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
When the off season, one.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Of their exercises was to actually intentionally suppress the voice
of Michael Tapp. Literally tells Michael Tapp, Hey, you can't
talk for a while. You can't make no chance, you
can't make no audibles. We don't need to encouraging anybody.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
We need the other guys to do it because.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
You do it so well, You've done it for so long.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
We need to have.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Seen these other guys step up into that role and
feel comfortable in that role, being the you know, the
guy that you know back in you know, making the artibles,
making the checks, getting everything arranged, and also being the
guy that's motivating the other members of the secondary and
being able to encourage other members of the secondary have
them take on that leadership ro So this is going
to be actually a great test coming up to this
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a couple of weeks for that exercise that they actually
used during the off season to see if these younger
guys would relish are been able to thrive in that role.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
No, it's interesting that you bring that up because Xavier
Phil Samine is somebody that is going to get an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We love the raptor.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Derek Williams, he was one of my favorite recruits when
he came on to the University of Texas. Actually was
starting ended up getting hurt and that's when the berth
Michael Taff really took over to be that leader in
the back end. So talk about those two guys and
what you've seen on film from them.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Uh yeah, I mean I've always loved Derek Williams's game.
I remember saying, you know, when he came more, I
think he had you know, he was so skilled. I
thought he could end up, you know, playing Nickel if
you need him to. I mean, he had that kind
of skill to be a guy. But I love him
as a downhill player. I call it, you know, you
call him alley cats. Guys who can run the alley
uh and and get you know, get to the football,
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but take precise angles to the football, get there quickly,
and get there and make make an impact right physically.
He didn't do that. He's that kind of player, and
that's why I think he brings to the table. He's
also got to be someone that steps up, you know,
and and and be being able to communicate. Uh. In
the secondary. I mean, one thing that Missisi States could
have bring to the table it's gonna be problematic is
up tempo. They a lot of temples, so that's gonna
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wear out the defensive front. Big guys, they get worn out,
So it's gonna be a struggle for them to try
to keep up if they can extend drive. But in
the back end, we don't necessarily.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Get worn out.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
But it does test our communication because no matter you
know what they're doing based on the motion or based
on the formation. You know, we gotta check and we
gotta make our uh you know, the secondary, we gotta
make our audibles and that may take some time. So
either you don't do that verbally right you have everybody on.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
The same page. It's a rich band game, or you
know you're able to do it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Very quickly because everybody in the secondary kind of understands
the assignment.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So it'll be tested.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
This week with those young guys in secondary. And you
know who knows that.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Jeff Levy knows it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He knows Michael Taft is gonna be out.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
So if you don't think he's gonna come up with
some funky.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Formation and some funk emotions and shifts, you're statistic communication
and secondary you're crazy because all it takes one guy
not to be on the same page and that bus.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
To lead to a huge place.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
We're talking to lifetime Longhorn, Rob Bavers. He's part of
on Texas Football and you can also hear them on
the Third and Longhorm podcast right here on Sports Radio
A thirteen hundred The Zone and Rod. You know, we
talked a lot about the defense and what work has
been able to see. But the biggest question that a
lot of folks have been talking about is this offensive struggle.
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You are a football theoricist, so please enlighten us on
some of the things that you have seen on this
Texas offense and what exactly can make this thing go.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Oh man, that's that's a deep question, brother, it is,
ain't I've positive myself.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Man, I wish I.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Had to fix because you know, I'd be yelling at from.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
The roof shops.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
But I mean, I just to me, not one issue.
I think the offensive line is your biggest issue, right.
I mean, let's look at let's look at pressure rate allowed.
Right now, Texas allowing.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
A pressure rate. I believe you were around forty two.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Percent pressure rate allowed. So that's third worst than the
Power for that.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Sixth worst in college football.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
If you just look at Texas games versus powerful opponents,
they're allowing a pressure rate of forty nine percent and
that basically that's.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
A coint That means fifty to fifty percent of the.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Time that archer Doock's back, he's under pressure. That's the
highest rate in college football. Guy, that's a that means
you have one of the if not the worst pass
protection in college football. That's what those numbers are saying.
And in terms of the running game for your offensive line,
I still can't really explain the Oklahoma game other than
bread vnables and they can't stop the outside zone. But
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Texas doesn't really have another run concept that they can
hang their head on other than the outside zone. And
when teams stopped the outside zone, as you saw with
Kentucky being able to stop the outside zone or Florida,
then Texas doesn't really have anywhere to pivot in the
run game for their offensive line. I think he says
that Backster coming back is gonna help, that it's gonna
help the offensive roll. Think about the running game versus
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Ohio State. That'sa versatile a run game has been all season.
You were running counter, you ran inside power, you ran
inside zone, you ran outside zone, penning pool, you ran
you know, the the the inside insert concepts.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
I mean, he just ran.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
You had a lot of variety in your run games,
so teams couldn't necessarily say, oh, we're gonna stop. We
gonna focus all of our attention, allocate all of every
resources to stop the outside zone. And usually that that's
lungs through that that narrows down, or at least in
my opinion, it kind of cuts the Shark playbook in half.
When you stop the outside zone. You see when Oklahoma
couldn't stop it. It seems like, you know, Sark could
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really kind of have this way with one of the
best defends in the country, and he didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Do that if he.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Has the ability to run the outside zone, because a
lot of his concepts were stacked on that one. So
I think when sending back to coming back, you'll have
more of the running game you had with Ohio State,
which was a versatile running game.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You could run.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Power gap schemes and the outside zone with a healthy
trade wisener, and that'll open up the playbook for.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
You a little bit more. But Sark had said they.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
All it's gonna look different. I think it'll look more
basic and rudimentary, which means he will.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Probably be a little bit boring for long rue fans.
But he's now gonna lean.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
On defense and special teams. And why wouldn't he considering
how bad his offense is. It's one of the worst
officers in the country. I could give you the stats,
but I would just depress.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
You that I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And we've been talking about him too.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
We've been talking about those stats too.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And one of the things that you and I have
always talked about is quick game, quick game, quick game.
You were the one that used to say it religiously.
And I believe that that is something that we saw
against Oklahoma that kind of helped develop and get the
ball out of Arch's hand.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Why did we not see that last week?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
He's trying to modify the offense. You know, it's hard man,
you know it's coach Steven and sorry, now he battles
with himself about, you know, what to do at times
night d Coach Stephen honestly at times gets the best
of him. But he has curtailed the deep ball. I mean,
the Texan has only thrown four pass of twenty yards
and more two games. Only one such pass in that
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Kentucky game, actually two. They end up getting a PI
off for one. But so he has to tell the
d ball and they've thrown I believe, fifteen screens. They
drove back those fifteen screens the last two week. So
I think he understands now the limitations of his offense.
And like I said, he is. He has said publicly,
it's gonna look even different. It's gonna look the public
it'll be a noticeable difference in the game versus Mississippi State.
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And I just think, honestly, with the limitations in pass
protection and with the offensive line not being able to
necessarily move other not to move to Lina Scrimmage or
to impose their will, there's only so much he believes
he can do. But listen, I think that ultimately you
have to basically take away all your five man pass protections,
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like you can't. You have to outnumber them every time,
and you have to win the numbers advantage in pass protection.
So I would go six and seven man passes. What
do I can't say six seven.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Six and seven man.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Pass detections every time? All right, that limits you a
little bit, but that's all you can do right now
to help out Arts because you're so bad there. And
I would try to go with Sech a basterback guys.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I think it really.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Will help you to go some of those duo inside
power schemes.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Go look at what Michigan STAPs and beating. Go look
at what A and M did.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Go look at what Tennessee did against them Florida. They've
got a lot of yards on interior runs, gap power runs,
and they were able to really wear down Mississippi State
over four quarters, pounding the rock on the inside. Such
a backster can do that. Gift, he's back and I
think that's probably what you'll see. And that's a little
bit boring, all right, because there's only four yards in
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the cloud of dust.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
We'll keep you ahead of the change and it'll also.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Keep your defense fresh and limit the exposure for your defense.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
That is why you are the man.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
You break it down like no other and as always, Man,
I appreciate you getting up. I know it's a little
tough getting up in the morning and time, but if
somebody can do it, I knew you could do it.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Man. I appreciate you for breaking everything down.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Bro now manjown, Man, it's fun. I appreciate talking to you.
To keep up the great words, man, and I'll talk
to you down the line.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Brother. All right.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Man there he is the one and only Rod Bavers,
the football theoricist, as he always breaks it down