April 24, 2025 • 14 mins
Welcome to "The Morning Kickoff Show" with Mike "Hardball" Hardge & "The World's Strongest Man" Mark Henry.The guys have a Legends of the Lockerroom conversation with Charles Davis of CBS & NFL Network. They talk about possible landing spots for Longhorns in the draft. Why is the talking point Kelvin Banks dropping in the draft happening? What is more valuble to teams drafting best player availible or needs? Who are the best player on teams draft boards. What are the chances Travis Hunter can be a two-way player in the NFL. What are possible surprises in the draft? You can hear it all here on “The Morning Kickoff Show!”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mark Henry and Mike hard We love being in this
Legends of the Locker Room segment and it's a very
very special day. It's Draft day and what better way
to get all the info and talk to a legend himself.
And he's always welcoming the Legends of the Locker Room segment.
He is Charles Davis of CBE As Charles, I want
(00:24):
to get right into it, my man.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How many longhorns do you have going in the first round?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh boy, let's see gold Golden, the receiver, Banks, the
offensive tackle, Let's see who else do we have?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Day Bear in the corner.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I think that's what I think, that's what we have,
and then plenty more to come.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
As as as the days move on.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So as you go through your mock breakdown and you've
looked at all of these players, are you're looking at
obviously the fit for whichever team needs that type of player.
But what else goes into it when you start to
break it all down.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah, fit, you're right about that fits a big part
of it. Another huge part of it is just how
good are they?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Right? If they're just really good.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Sometimes you just bypass and fit and you have to
have that player on your team, you know. So the
old idea that, well, we got a player pretty similar
to him, you know, let's take someone else. The most
glaring example, of course, and we'll go down in sports
history until the world ends, is the Portland Trailblazer was
(01:42):
passing on Michael Jordan because they had Clyde Drexler and
taking Sam Bouie. Very unfair to Sam, who ended up
having a rough career because of leg injuries and what
have you. But it's just an example of it doesn't
matter how good that guy is. If there's another guy
who's really good, you need to add him to your team.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
So sometimes you just do.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
That's where were you always said that term best player available.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That's what that means. Hey, you that's the best guy
on the board, as the most highly rated player.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
We have put him out of the team and let's
figure it out from there. So so that's a big
part that goes into it as well.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Mister Davis.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I always subscribe to the theory that sometimes you got
to give up a lot to get a lot, And
I would have Travis Hunter on my team if I
had to give away three draft picks, I gotta have him.
He just he's too valuable, too complimentary area of peace
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to not have on your team.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
What's your opinion on his draft status and worth.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, I think he's the best player in the draft.
I mean, when you start rating them, quarterbacks have a
different category because they're so darn valuable. So cam Ward
may go of number one. We expect to go number
one overall to Tennessee Titans. But I don't think there's
any draft room in the NFL any of thirty two
teams they would have cam Ward listed as the top
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player in the draft. Doesn't mean he's a bad player,
he's an excellent player. Just means that Travis Hunter would
be you know, I think if we went into the
draft rooms across the board, Travis Hunter is going to
be number one on plenty of them. There may be
some Abdual Carter's number one from Penn State. Those are
probably the top two players in the running for it.
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Cam Ward would be the number one quarterback, but not
the number one overall rated player. Look Travis Hunter, there's
nothing he can't do. And the interesting part about it
is he played about one hundred and fifteen plays per
game playing offense and defense. I'm pretty sure that in
the beginning of his NFL career, he won't do anything
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close to that. But at some point I do expect
him to be a true two way player in the NFL.
I just think he's got to add some maturity in
terms of age.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Body. You know, you would call grown man's strength.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Mark right, It's yeah, It's just it's not just rolling
out there and hitting the weight room and all that,
because at his age, weight will often melt off of
a player like that. Okay, I suspect he played last
year in the high one hundred and seventy pounds.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
That's not going to work in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
When you got to come up and hit Derrick Henry
all the time, that's going to change things for you.
I think in a couple of years, when that weight
settles on you and you can carry it and you're
not worried about losing it through a season, you keep
sprinkling in more and more on both sides, and then
I think we'll get a chance to see that true
two way player.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I just don't expect to see it in the beginning.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
And I do think Cleveland's going to take him at
two and their GM is already announced He'll probably play
offense first for them and they'll sprinkle in defense. If
something happens and someone else gets him, they may want
to play defense.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
First and sprinkling offense.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
But I think within the season or two, we may
get our chance to say, hey, Travis Henry's just not
leaving the field. That's gonna be Travis Hunter is just
not leaving the field, and that will be fun for
the NFL.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
So my second thing is what is the most outlandish
thing that you think is gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Trade wise, movement wise in his draft.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I think that there's gonna be a major roar when
Ashton Genty comes off the board, maybe at five to
Jacksonville instead of six to the Raiders, because six to
the Raiders has kind of been talked about a long
time now, and Jacksonville has lately popped up with that.
The second thing is gonna be what happens with the
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tight ends Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland. Most people, of course,
have seen Warren and the incredible things he has done.
I know there's some people that like Loveland better. Wouldn't
that be wild if Loveland went ahead of Warren? But last,
but not least, I think the quarterbacks after cam Ward
may be bypassed in the top ten picks. Shador Sanders,
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Jackson Dart I think are the primary guys that no
one takes them at that point. And now we're starting
to go, Okay, what's gonna happen here is at Pittsburgh
at twenty one. We may get all the way down
and towards twenty maybe even into the twenties, and then
we may get a couple of trades where like the
Giants trade back into the first round, and if they do,
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I think they're gonna take Jackson Dart instead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Whoa.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
And if Cleveland trades back into the first round, I
think that they would come back and get Shador Sanders.
So we shall see how that goes if somebody makes
the trade to come back in or are they waiting
to the top of the second round, which I'm not
sure they're able to do without someone trying to come
in and snatch one of these guys. But what if
we're in the first night and let's say one quarterback
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is taken and Shador Sanders is in.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
One of them.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
That would be leaving there with an incredible story because
We all know about Shador, we know he's how good
he is, we know who he is. He is probably
the face of this draft, even though cam Ward's going
to go number one at the top.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
We're talking to Charles Davis of CBS, and Charles, you know,
those are some wild, wild scenarios and I wouldn't be
shocked if any of those continue to happen this weekend.
But my question for you is, why is it that
Kelvin Banks continues to be one of those guys that
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people look at and think that he's going to fall.
Everybody that he's been up against, all the number one
first round picks that went before in the previous draft,
he's stuffed. But yet yeah, he's still being questioned. I
just don't understand it, and maybe I'm too close to it.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
No, No, I don't think you're too close to it.
And it's hard to understand when you look at it.
To me, it's like all just trying to evaluate pass rushers,
and you would think that in college would be fairly easy, right,
that guy's getting twelve fifteen sacks, you know, because a
great pass rusher in college often playing against guys who
are going to be tax accountants, not NFL players, So
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they're going to dominate them and blow them away. Yet,
when you look up, a lot of these pass rushers
don't have big sack numbers in college. Daneil Hunter is
one of the great pass rushers in NFL History's over
one hundred sacks.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I think in his career. He had four and a
half in his entire career at LSU. I mean, how
do you account for that?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Chop Robinson coming out last year first round picked in
Miami at four and a half sackses last year at
Penn State a dafeo way when he's known as Jason
Oway at Penn State. His last year Penn State had
zero sacks, still went in the first round. You know,
Travon Walker did not big sack numbers at Georgia has
been back to backsacks double digit sacks in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I could go on and on.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
It's hard for us to understand that the league likes
rights guys who can do certain certain things with explosiveness,
could do things better than anyone else, and then they
work with everything else and sometimes.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Those guys blossom.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
The funny part with Kelvin Banks is there's been so
much conversation about Will Campbell at LSU in his arm
length and can he play guard?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Can you do that? Well? Guess who got sucked into
that same conversation.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
M Kelvin Banks did Rashaan Slater's arm length get question.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
He's living just fine at left tackle with Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Peter Scronsky was a left tackle at Northwestern, same conversation.
He immediately moved inside the guard with the Tennessee types,
but still went number seven overall pick.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I think that the outside world has gotten caught up
in the conversation.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I think the league is gonna send us send a
message tonight and don't be surprised if Kelvin Banks goes
in the top ten picks.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
All right, right there, I feel better. There's music to
our ears, my friend.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So we're all in consensus that cam Ward is the
number one overall pick, and then everything else is just
going to be a crapshoot.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah, I mean, I think, I think, really, barring some
crazy unforeseen move, we got Chalk at the top probably
the top three picks.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Ward it won to Tennessee, Travis.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Hunter, two to Cleveland, and then three the New York
Giants a dual Carter. We know that Cleveland and the
Giants are really quarterback needy, but I think that they
have plans to Giants hedge their bets by signing Jamis
Winston and Russell Wilson. Cleveland has Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco,
so they know they can line up and play. Do
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they want there's either team want to play with these quarterbacks.
Probably not, but they know they can get out and
be competent, right yep, So they have a plan to
come and get their quarterbacks. I think later. I look
my first mock draft, I put Jackson Dart at three
to the New York Giants, and people lost their mind,
like this just went crazy. If Jackson Dart gets traded
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for in the first round and the Giants are the
team that comes back and gets him.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
To remember who told you were over Jackson Dart?
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Now, because I don't think it's going to happen at three,
all right, because I think three is probably too rich.
And if you live in the New York market I
grew up in New York State, you got to be
a little bit careful about just how crazy you want
to get.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Because they'll get you know, that market will come for you.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But if you can end up getting a dual carter
and then come back and get the quarterback later, instead
of people thinking you're nuts, now you look like you
did a hell of a job. And that's what I
think the giants are plotting to do. Would not surprise
me at all. If they play games in the top.
What if they're sitting there at three, someone really wants
gent knows they have to get in front of Jacksonville
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and now they want to play some games.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
The giants are willing to do that, drop back to
maybe ten.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Twelve somewhere that neighborhood, and then maybe make another deal
and come back up. And now let's say you get
out dual carter at three, drop back down, come back.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Up, and get the quarterback at sech six, seven, eight.
I don't know what the difference between three and three
and eight.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Myself, but people tend to go, oh, that's a.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Much better deal.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I just you know, well, we'll see how it goes.
But they will try and manipulate the board. But the
bottom line is all this manipulating I'm talking about you
have to have a partner. It can't listen your idea
of doing it is one thing, but if you don't
have a partner that's going to join you, you.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Might as well be playing monopoly.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Man. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Well, there's a lot that can happen, there's a lot
that should happen, and one thing that is that is
going to happen. You are getting the opportunity to be
the lead analyst after Gary Danielson retires after this year.
Congratulation much design regulations and continue to success it.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Thank you for both of you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
I'm just trying to stay at your footsteps and follow
both of you with the success you're having.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You keep doing your things, and listen, you know it's true. Look,
I'm no Hall of Famer now.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
So I know that.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I know I'm talking to one. I'm talking to a legend.
But here's the bottom line. You guys, keep doing your thing.
Appreciate you having me on. It's an honor for me
each and every time.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
And this NFL drafts, you guys gotta you gotta bring
the show to the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
From here.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
It is wild. You wouldn't believe who you're gonna meet.
And I'll leave you with this here I am now
sixty year old man. I'm in the lobby yesterday.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Man walks up to me, introduced himself, tells me the
fan appreciates my work, the whole deal and the whole time.
I can't talk because I'm staring at him, going, oh
my god, my college days are staring me in the face.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
It was Christopher Kid read of kidd and Play.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Oh wow, no wow.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I almost fell over. I was like, and then and
then walk away. And here I am a six year
old man. I'm so beat a grown man right, and
I go, kid knows who I am.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Came very we came very close to doing the Kid
and Play dance.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm a little disappointed you didn't.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yeah, I'm like, what's going on? I think?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think if I hadn't been in such shock and
all of a sudden turned the stone, I couldn't even
couldn't move my feet, my jaw, my face.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I was strong. I was like, that's kid, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, continue to success, my man, and uh, thank you,
and you're always welcoming the legends of the locker room segment.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Best of luck to you.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I appreciate you guys. Continue success, keep doing your things.
Thanks A lot all right.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Charles Davis legend of the locker room,
Mark Henry and Mike hard We love being in this
Legends of the Locker Room segment and it's a very
very special day. It's Draft day and what better way
to get all the info and talk to a legend himself.
And he's always welcoming the Legends of the Locker Room segment.
He is Charles Davis of CBE As Charles, I want
(00:24):
to get right into it, my man.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
How many longhorns do you have going in the first round?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh boy, let's see gold Golden, the receiver, Banks, the
offensive tackle, Let's see who else do we have?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Day Bear in the corner.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
I think that's what I think, that's what we have,
and then plenty more to come.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
As as as the days move on.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So as you go through your mock breakdown and you've
looked at all of these players, are you're looking at
obviously the fit for whichever team needs that type of player.
But what else goes into it when you start to
break it all down.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah, fit, you're right about that fits a big part
of it. Another huge part of it is just how
good are they?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Right? If they're just really good.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Sometimes you just bypass and fit and you have to
have that player on your team, you know. So the
old idea that, well, we got a player pretty similar
to him, you know, let's take someone else. The most
glaring example, of course, and we'll go down in sports
history until the world ends, is the Portland Trailblazer was
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passing on Michael Jordan because they had Clyde Drexler and
taking Sam Bouie. Very unfair to Sam, who ended up
having a rough career because of leg injuries and what
have you. But it's just an example of it doesn't
matter how good that guy is. If there's another guy
who's really good, you need to add him to your team.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
So sometimes you just do.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
That's where were you always said that term best player available.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That's what that means. Hey, you that's the best guy
on the board, as the most highly rated player.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
We have put him out of the team and let's
figure it out from there. So so that's a big
part that goes into it as well.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Mister Davis.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
I always subscribe to the theory that sometimes you got
to give up a lot to get a lot, And
I would have Travis Hunter on my team if I
had to give away three draft picks, I gotta have him.
He just he's too valuable, too complimentary area of peace
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to not have on your team.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
What's your opinion on his draft status and worth.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Yeah, I think he's the best player in the draft.
I mean, when you start rating them, quarterbacks have a
different category because they're so darn valuable. So cam Ward
may go of number one. We expect to go number
one overall to Tennessee Titans. But I don't think there's
any draft room in the NFL any of thirty two
teams they would have cam Ward listed as the top
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player in the draft. Doesn't mean he's a bad player,
he's an excellent player. Just means that Travis Hunter would
be you know, I think if we went into the
draft rooms across the board, Travis Hunter is going to
be number one on plenty of them. There may be
some Abdual Carter's number one from Penn State. Those are
probably the top two players in the running for it.
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Cam Ward would be the number one quarterback, but not
the number one overall rated player. Look Travis Hunter, there's
nothing he can't do. And the interesting part about it
is he played about one hundred and fifteen plays per
game playing offense and defense. I'm pretty sure that in
the beginning of his NFL career, he won't do anything
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close to that. But at some point I do expect
him to be a true two way player in the NFL.
I just think he's got to add some maturity in
terms of age.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Body. You know, you would call grown man's strength.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Mark right, It's yeah, It's just it's not just rolling
out there and hitting the weight room and all that,
because at his age, weight will often melt off of
a player like that. Okay, I suspect he played last
year in the high one hundred and seventy pounds.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
That's not going to work in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
When you got to come up and hit Derrick Henry
all the time, that's going to change things for you.
I think in a couple of years, when that weight
settles on you and you can carry it and you're
not worried about losing it through a season, you keep
sprinkling in more and more on both sides, and then
I think we'll get a chance to see that true
two way player.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I just don't expect to see it in the beginning.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
And I do think Cleveland's going to take him at
two and their GM is already announced He'll probably play
offense first for them and they'll sprinkle in defense. If
something happens and someone else gets him, they may want
to play defense.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
First and sprinkling offense.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
But I think within the season or two, we may
get our chance to say, hey, Travis Henry's just not
leaving the field. That's gonna be Travis Hunter is just
not leaving the field, and that will be fun for
the NFL.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
So my second thing is what is the most outlandish
thing that you think is gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Trade wise, movement wise in his draft.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I think that there's gonna be a major roar when
Ashton Genty comes off the board, maybe at five to
Jacksonville instead of six to the Raiders, because six to
the Raiders has kind of been talked about a long
time now, and Jacksonville has lately popped up with that.
The second thing is gonna be what happens with the
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tight ends Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland. Most people, of course,
have seen Warren and the incredible things he has done.
I know there's some people that like Loveland better. Wouldn't
that be wild if Loveland went ahead of Warren? But last,
but not least, I think the quarterbacks after cam Ward
may be bypassed in the top ten picks. Shador Sanders,
(06:06):
Jackson Dart I think are the primary guys that no
one takes them at that point. And now we're starting
to go, Okay, what's gonna happen here is at Pittsburgh
at twenty one. We may get all the way down
and towards twenty maybe even into the twenties, and then
we may get a couple of trades where like the
Giants trade back into the first round, and if they do,
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I think they're gonna take Jackson Dart instead of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Whoa.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
And if Cleveland trades back into the first round, I
think that they would come back and get Shador Sanders.
So we shall see how that goes if somebody makes
the trade to come back in or are they waiting
to the top of the second round, which I'm not
sure they're able to do without someone trying to come
in and snatch one of these guys. But what if
we're in the first night and let's say one quarterback
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is taken and Shador Sanders is in.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
One of them.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
That would be leaving there with an incredible story because
We all know about Shador, we know he's how good
he is, we know who he is. He is probably
the face of this draft, even though cam Ward's going
to go number one at the top.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
We're talking to Charles Davis of CBS, and Charles, you know,
those are some wild, wild scenarios and I wouldn't be
shocked if any of those continue to happen this weekend.
But my question for you is, why is it that
Kelvin Banks continues to be one of those guys that
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people look at and think that he's going to fall.
Everybody that he's been up against, all the number one
first round picks that went before in the previous draft,
he's stuffed. But yet yeah, he's still being questioned. I
just don't understand it, and maybe I'm too close to it.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
No, No, I don't think you're too close to it.
And it's hard to understand when you look at it.
To me, it's like all just trying to evaluate pass rushers,
and you would think that in college would be fairly easy, right,
that guy's getting twelve fifteen sacks, you know, because a
great pass rusher in college often playing against guys who
are going to be tax accountants, not NFL players, So
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they're going to dominate them and blow them away. Yet,
when you look up, a lot of these pass rushers
don't have big sack numbers in college. Daneil Hunter is
one of the great pass rushers in NFL History's over
one hundred sacks.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I think in his career. He had four and a
half in his entire career at LSU. I mean, how
do you account for that?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Chop Robinson coming out last year first round picked in
Miami at four and a half sackses last year at
Penn State a dafeo way when he's known as Jason
Oway at Penn State. His last year Penn State had
zero sacks, still went in the first round. You know,
Travon Walker did not big sack numbers at Georgia has
been back to backsacks double digit sacks in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I could go on and on.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
It's hard for us to understand that the league likes
rights guys who can do certain certain things with explosiveness,
could do things better than anyone else, and then they
work with everything else and sometimes.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Those guys blossom.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
The funny part with Kelvin Banks is there's been so
much conversation about Will Campbell at LSU in his arm
length and can he play guard?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Can you do that? Well? Guess who got sucked into
that same conversation.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
M Kelvin Banks did Rashaan Slater's arm length get question.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
He's living just fine at left tackle with Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Peter Scronsky was a left tackle at Northwestern, same conversation.
He immediately moved inside the guard with the Tennessee types,
but still went number seven overall pick.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I think that the outside world has gotten caught up
in the conversation.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I think the league is gonna send us send a
message tonight and don't be surprised if Kelvin Banks goes
in the top ten picks.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
All right, right there, I feel better. There's music to
our ears, my friend.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So we're all in consensus that cam Ward is the
number one overall pick, and then everything else is just
going to be a crapshoot.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Yeah, I mean, I think, I think, really, barring some
crazy unforeseen move, we got Chalk at the top probably
the top three picks.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Ward it won to Tennessee, Travis.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Hunter, two to Cleveland, and then three the New York
Giants a dual Carter. We know that Cleveland and the
Giants are really quarterback needy, but I think that they
have plans to Giants hedge their bets by signing Jamis
Winston and Russell Wilson. Cleveland has Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco,
so they know they can line up and play. Do
(10:40):
they want there's either team want to play with these quarterbacks.
Probably not, but they know they can get out and
be competent, right yep, So they have a plan to
come and get their quarterbacks. I think later. I look
my first mock draft, I put Jackson Dart at three
to the New York Giants, and people lost their mind,
like this just went crazy. If Jackson Dart gets traded
(11:03):
for in the first round and the Giants are the
team that comes back and gets him.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
To remember who told you were over Jackson Dart?
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Now, because I don't think it's going to happen at three,
all right, because I think three is probably too rich.
And if you live in the New York market I
grew up in New York State, you got to be
a little bit careful about just how crazy you want
to get.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Because they'll get you know, that market will come for you.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But if you can end up getting a dual carter
and then come back and get the quarterback later, instead
of people thinking you're nuts, now you look like you
did a hell of a job. And that's what I
think the giants are plotting to do. Would not surprise
me at all. If they play games in the top.
What if they're sitting there at three, someone really wants
gent knows they have to get in front of Jacksonville
(11:52):
and now they want to play some games.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
The giants are willing to do that, drop back to
maybe ten.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Twelve somewhere that neighborhood, and then maybe make another deal
and come back up. And now let's say you get
out dual carter at three, drop back down, come back.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Up, and get the quarterback at sech six, seven, eight.
I don't know what the difference between three and three
and eight.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Myself, but people tend to go, oh, that's a.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Much better deal.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I just you know, well, we'll see how it goes.
But they will try and manipulate the board. But the
bottom line is all this manipulating I'm talking about you
have to have a partner. It can't listen your idea
of doing it is one thing, but if you don't
have a partner that's going to join you, you.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Might as well be playing monopoly.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Man. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Well, there's a lot that can happen, there's a lot
that should happen, and one thing that is that is
going to happen. You are getting the opportunity to be
the lead analyst after Gary Danielson retires after this year.
Congratulation much design regulations and continue to success it.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Thank you for both of you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
I'm just trying to stay at your footsteps and follow
both of you with the success you're having.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
You keep doing your things, and listen, you know it's true. Look,
I'm no Hall of Famer now.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
So I know that.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
I know I'm talking to one. I'm talking to a legend.
But here's the bottom line. You guys, keep doing your thing.
Appreciate you having me on. It's an honor for me
each and every time.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
And this NFL drafts, you guys gotta you gotta bring
the show to the draft.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
From here.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
It is wild. You wouldn't believe who you're gonna meet.
And I'll leave you with this here I am now
sixty year old man. I'm in the lobby yesterday.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Man walks up to me, introduced himself, tells me the
fan appreciates my work, the whole deal and the whole time.
I can't talk because I'm staring at him, going, oh
my god, my college days are staring me in the face.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
It was Christopher Kid read of kidd and Play.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Oh wow, no wow.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I almost fell over. I was like, and then and
then walk away. And here I am a six year
old man. I'm so beat a grown man right, and
I go, kid knows who I am.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Came very we came very close to doing the Kid
and Play dance.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I'm a little disappointed you didn't.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yeah, I'm like, what's going on? I think?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think if I hadn't been in such shock and
all of a sudden turned the stone, I couldn't even
couldn't move my feet, my jaw, my face.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I was strong. I was like, that's kid, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Well, continue to success, my man, and uh, thank you,
and you're always welcoming the legends of the locker room segment.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Best of luck to you.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I appreciate you guys. Continue success, keep doing your things.
Thanks A lot all right.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Charles Davis legend of the locker room,
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