July 11, 2023 • 19 mins
The psychopath is back. Jane Doe joins us once more with updates on her situation. Has her husband found out she's a psychopath? Did mass murder suspect Bryan Kohberger respond to her letter? Wait until you hear what makes her laugh uncontrollably during the chat.
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We've got to catch it up tothis. For those of you who aren't
familiar with our conversations with Jane Doe, We've had one on the show that
was incredibly strange, and then Idid one on Discord that was a lot
longer, which you could check outin the interview section of the news junkie
dot com. And basically, JaneDoe is an admitted psychopath who we ran
(00:25):
into because we were covering the BrianCoburger story, right, and this is
the guy who was alleged I havekilled like four people in this house.
They were all like college kids andthen they're sprung up. This group of
the thing was called Brian Nation.Ceiling was at the name of it.
I think it was. That's whatit was. I was thinking about the
other day. I couldn't remember whatit was called. That was their group,
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and they were fans of this guywho is alleged have slaughtered these people
in a pretty horrific way. Andthen we just started getting deeper deeper down
into the world of her being apsychopath, an admitted psychopath, and the
things that fascinate me are things thatwe have to kind of dive a little
bit deeper into today. So,first of all, Jane Doe, are
you with us? Yes, I'mhere all right? Good? How are
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you? Yeah? How are youdoing? I'm good? How are you
guys? Good? You know we'rehanging in there. You're still feeling psychopath
like? Or has that changed?Spectrum? Spectrum? It's just my way
of being. Yeah, I guessthat doesn't change every time. So,
Jane Delt, we when we lasttalked, we talked a bunch about how
you're married and your husband has noidea that you're a psychopath and that any
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of this stuff is going on,that you have a crush on this guy
who's an alleged murderer all that.Has there been anything that's developed there as
your husband caught on to anything?Have you had any moments where you almost
got caught what's going on with that? No, he is not caught on.
Are you Are you thinking that you'llalways be able to get away with
us? Or do you think you'llslip up at some point because you're like
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you're calling us on a radio showbroadcast all over right now? Yeah,
I mean there's always a chance.I mean you have to employ my risk
management strategies, right something that Ihave been working on because I know that
I could get caught with a littlebit of it as I try to to
sensitize him. So I'll introduce himto um like a meme or something that
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I found on the internet. UM, and I won't say that I'm a
fan, but I'll just you know, I'll make a joke out of it.
I wouldn't say something like the peoplewho make these are crazy. UM.
That way, UM, if hesees me looking at it, UM,
he doesn't freak out and think,oh, she's a fan. Okay,
so see what she's doing. ThatGive me an example of what you'd
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be looking at that you'd show himbecause you're kind of experimenting on him here.
Yeah, so I would be lookingat an edit that I made.
Oh, water mark, is thisstuff that you've made yourself, and you've
been like, look at these crazypeople, but you water market yet still
talking to us as Jane Doe.So I imagine that this is also an
alias that you watermark with. Ido not watermark with Jane Doe. I
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vary them simply because I don't wantpeople to catch on to me and to
dig into my background. So I'vehad a series of aliases, some of
which I've discontinued, so that peopledon't put things together. I mean,
basically, what makes sense to meis creating all of these little pieces that
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are incoherent so that people, youknow, they can't fit them together,
they can't make sense of it,so they can't find out who I am.
But what's the goal in that,Like, you still want to put
that out there to do? Whatis it for the clout without getting any
recognition? Or is it because youwant Brian to know that you're here on
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his team? I do see itas a bit of a game with the
people who are in my personal life. You know, I enjoy receiving them
and seeing what I can pull overthem is fun. But I mean I
watermark them because I could get caught, if that makes sense. Yeah,
if you are you a monogamous person? Um, yes, I mean I
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can't. I can't talk about thattoo much. All I will say is,
you know, as a psychopath,I self preserve and so I wouldn't
want to do anything that would bebad for my health, right, Okay,
all right, So you're like afraidof get an STDs or something.
Yeah, all right, So yourhusband's completely unaware of this. Um,
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you sent, I believe a letterto the alleged murderer, guy Brian Coburger.
Did you ever hear back from himon that? I did not?
I send him another one a coupleof weeks ago. Yeah, dear Slim,
I rotu. But you're still incalling what I did say in this
letter that you sent him? Youdon't which one the first one, the
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second one and the second one thatyou just sent this alleged murderer. What
did you say to him? Um? Let me pull it up. I'm
sorry it was a printed piece.So basically, UM, I kind of
went into my background a little bit, um and compared where I had just
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moved from to where I currently ambecause I have relocated to a different part
of the country. Okay, Um, he you know I've read that he
enjoys, you know, being inmountains. So I talked about moving from
a very hilly place to a flatplace, UM, and talked about that.
Um, he also enjoys. Healso enjoys killing. Do you write
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to him about killing or is itjust about the mountains and stuff? Oh?
No, it's just about mountains,because I mean, he's not going
to ever write me back if I, you know, talk about murder,
right, yeah, so do youbelieve that he did it or are we
still going like, are you partof allegedly I believe that he did it,
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And that's a big turn on forme. Okay, yes, she's
into the fact that he killed yourhusband has no idea. Alesia on YouTube
says, have you actually been clinicallydiagnosed as a psychopath or is this self
diagnosed from reading web md? Ihave been clinically diagnosed. All right,
So you went to a professional andthey told you like, look, you're
you're a psychopath. Do they armyou then with like a set of tools
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on how to live your life sinceit's coming on sharp ones different to be
a psychopath. That they go like, here's what you need to know moving
forward. I think the most importantthing that we've talked about, and I
mean I'm already aware of this ismanaging risks. You know, if I'm
going to deceive someone, I needto make sure that I can manage the
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risks along with that. So youknow, I work on things like mindfulness.
Yeah, okay, so you dothat kind of make sure you're protecting
yourself so you don't get caught,because if you got caught and like supporting
these killers and stuff, you wouldlose your job. Probably you don't want
to do that. Marriage, Pleaseyour marriage, God Almighty, have all
kinds of problems in your life ifthis kind of stuff went out, because
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once that gets out there, peoplewill want to distance themselves from you as
much as possible. But you stillyou can't help yourself. You still like
to play with fire a little bit. And that is that just because you
get bored and yeah, it doesit turn you on which one of those
it's it's it's a bit of both. I mean, psychopaths we deal with
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extreme boredom. You know, we'rewe require a higher level of stimulation than
the average person. And so yeah, it's very frustrating to you know,
try to blend in and live anormal life and to feel like my needs
aren't being met. I'm not beingstimulated enough. Yeah, and so I
will play with fire to try tosatisfy that need. But of course it
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will never be enough. Yeah,I mean, what do you mean it
will never be enough? Like ifyou're chasing further and further and further,
what what's the end goal that youthink you'll reach? Then I don't know
what the end goal is. Idon't know what the endpoint is. Is
somebody dead at the end. Idon't want to say that I could hurt
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someone. I mean, I don'tknow. Have you tried to smash That
was a joke. Basically, it'skind of like a runaway train where the
more stimulation I get it feels reallygood, but then I become desensitized to
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it. Yeah, you need moreand more and more. That's the thing
where like they say, serial killersstart out with like animals and stuff,
and then that's not enough, andthen you go further, you go further
and further. Now with the selfpreservation thing that you're talking about, a
lot of the things that you door maticulously planned to self preserve. Do
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you have any planning as a backup? Do you have any sort of in
case I get caught? What's goingon? Plan? Yes? Do you
know what? That is? Thestory until the third interview. So you
just moved into a new place andyou're probably meeting new people. You got
your husband, you're living this lifesecretly a psychopath. You love this Brian
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Coburger guy um, and you're watchingall that start to play out in front
of you. And I know we'vetalked about this before, but it's not
like you're just into this Brian Coburgerguy. From what you've told me,
you are attracted to all sorts ofpeople who have been killers and serial killers
and and things like that. Howdo you hide that kind of fascination from
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somebody like your husband. I'm sureyou like read about serial killers and look
into that stuff, and he mustknow like the types of movies and stuff
that you watch seemed to lean inthat direction. Is it Is it something
that he could pick up on fromthat or are you just completely living a
fake life and like watching and readingstuff that has nothing to do with it.
For the most part, I livea double life. You know.
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Sometimes I do have a few relativeswho are really into the true crime and
so I'll pull them into it.I'll be like, Oh, I watched
this date line tonight um with Brianbecause I heard that your mom was going
to watch date Line tonight. I'mso glad she recommended it to me,
when really I had been anticipating itfor a while. Yeah, then you
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just you find some common ground thereto get into that. Oh, let
me ask you a strange question.If you were to be if you were
to be offered a chance to eathuman meat, would you try? It?
Would depend if I was in theUnited States or if I was traveling
to another country. Why, becausehere it's not legal. You can't do
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that. Okay what wait wait waitwait, wipe legal and illegal out of
it. I'm just talking about ifif that was out of the question and
it was completely legal in the UnitedStates and somebody said, would you like
to try this slice of human meat? Would you try? Yes? Damn
it? So and so follow upquestion, would you liken someone that is
willing to do that? In therealm of being a psychopath? Some people
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are just barbaric, sean or curious. It might just be curious, that's
what it. Would you know,being a clinically diagnosed, diagnosed psychopath,
could you how long would it takefor you to talk to somebody and know
that you're amongst a like minded individuallythere's another psycho out there. Yeah,
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so there's a term called an edge. Lord, um, are you familiar
with that? I'm in there thatroom. Yeah. Basically, you know,
I'll kind of keep testing the watersto see if someone is stressed,
like really really edgy. Mhm um. You know, if they're not turned
off by something and they continue togo kind of down a rabbit hole where
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most people would like stop a conversation, then I might, you know,
kind of give a little bit moreto see what happens. I mean,
if I find someone who I thinkis like myself, I never give myself
away. It's something that I cannever do. Um, just kind of
out in the open because of therelationship, you know, with a psychopath
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and another psychopath or a sociopath.You know, basically, um, we
self preserve. Yeah, it seemslike Chris, two psychopaths together, seems
like it would be a real badsituation. Yes, exactly, you get
it then, right, Yeah,I think you would have some stormy waters
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if that was the combination that youhad there with two psychopaths joining. If
you were to be found out byyour husband and your husband said, um,
you know, I'll stick with you. It wasn't just a like,
oh my gosh, I'm out ofhere, you know, as fast as
he can. But if he saidI'll stick with you, you know it
would work on this. Is thatsomething that would be disappointing to you or
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would you be like I guess relieved. I would feel kind of both ways.
One because it would be harder forme to manipulate him, Um,
it would take a lot more energyand time. I would have to be
more subtle. But then also Iwould know that, Um, I would
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still be able to fit in andlead a normal life without everyone around me
knowing and you know, staying awayfrom me. So there would be some
kind of cons but also some proswith that. But you would feel a
little bad about it. Yeah,I would feel like I'd lost in some
way. Okay, so him,she would feel bad she lost in the
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situation. But you you derive morepleasure from the trickery of it. Yes,
So what's the difference between a psychopathand a sadist or are you a
little bit of both? A sadistis simply someone who enjoys inflecting pain upon
another person, just physical pain,not emotional like you do. I mean,
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I believe that there is a spectrumof sadism as well. So it
could be emotional, right, youcould do, it could be oftentimes there's
not necessarily an end goal. It'sjust that they like to hurt people for
their own pleasure. Yeah, back, what do you do like when you're
not like, what's the TV showyou like? I'm not really much of
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a TV watcher. I like tobe outside in nature. I like to
watch animals kill. Okay, sowhat's your favorite animal kill that you've seen?
This is the wormhole that she wastalking about, you psychopath. Very
recently, Oh, I saw likea hawk take someone's dog. It was
hilarious. Chained to the rack yardand it completely just ripped off the chain
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of everything. Okay, So sothe hawk took somebody's dog and flew away
with it, and you you lovethat that was your favorite? How long
were you sitting there? Hilarious?Oh? Man, I think someone else
called the police. What do theyget? What's the police going to do?
The hawk is gone? Exactly,that's what you thought. All right,
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you are fascinating. We need tofollow up in a month. Oh,
blessen that if possible. Wait,wait, we got the Brian Coburger
case stuff coming up. Are yougoing to be watching all of that trial
and that that could be a momentwhere maybe your husband would notice what something
was going on and go, hey, what the hell is she doing obsessing
over this trial? Yes? Iwill be watching the trial. Right now,
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I have a lot of time onmy hands because I'm currently um looking
for a position. I've had acouple of interviews right now, so I
have to be careful. But Ihave a lot of time today to dedicate
to this um and to kind ofunderstand how trial will work. Yeah.
UM, it's possible that there willbe no cameras. UM. It's possible
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that UM, it'll be recorded andthen kind of given to the public at
a later date and time. Ifthat happens, I can watch it when
it's convenient for me without my husbandknowing. What will you do? You
just like lock yourself in the bathroomor something. They start watching the murder
trial, I'd send him out onErran's Oh hell, do you have fun
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manipulating your husband? Of course?Oh yeah, I do. I mean
that's one of the good it's abouthaving a spouse, is you have someone
in house who you can practice on. You know, if I need to
meet with like a director of anorganization that I'm interviewing with, UM,
I can practice with him. Areyou doing I just have that for fun?
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I feel like, are you doingit to us right now? No?
What with him? What's the mostweird thing that you've talked him into
doing. All right, I wouldhave to think for a really long time
about that. Some of the stuffI have to push down so that I
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can function like a normal person.Yeah, because you want it, You
want to have him do other stuff? Yeah, like embarrassing stuff. Definitely.
Wow. And then that you wouldyou would just be excited, not
that he was doing it, butyou would be excited that you laid him
do it. Yes. Oh allright, well stir on that. Um,
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we'll connect back over your resume,get out some friends here. I
thank you, Jane Doe. Weappreciate you talking to us. Of course,
all right there, should go talkto you soon. Jane Doe,
psychopath who has been connecting with theshow. Yeah, we learned a little
more each time. This time welearned about her enjoying the nature uh in
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action. That's the first time weheard her laugh. Yeah, it's kind
of a strange laugh. I wasa frightening laugh. And she was laughing
about a dog die and John youlike, I mean, you're right,
upper alley man. What are youtalking about? How am I upper alley
is? I think the next timewe talked to her, I'm going to
be like, which of the threeof us as a psychopath? And so
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far you are checking out even closeto us. I'm I am test the
wall. By the way, everybodyon chat who's like this is fake,
there's is now real to this.I'm having some sus moments where I do
feel like she's just putting on someshell. She's real. I'm telling was
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just acting the idea that she wanted, would want to act that out is
psycho to begin with, right,So like either her husband, man,
all right, we're gonna take quickbreak. Yeah, we're gonna sit in
silence. We'll be back in justa moment. Jerry Duty coming up next
in the news Junkie
We've got to catch it up tothis. For those of you who aren't
familiar with our conversations with Jane Doe, We've had one on the show that
was incredibly strange, and then Idid one on Discord that was a lot
longer, which you could check outin the interview section of the news junkie
dot com. And basically, JaneDoe is an admitted psychopath who we ran
(00:25):
into because we were covering the BrianCoburger story, right, and this is
the guy who was alleged I havekilled like four people in this house.
They were all like college kids andthen they're sprung up. This group of
the thing was called Brian Nation.Ceiling was at the name of it.
I think it was. That's whatit was. I was thinking about the
other day. I couldn't remember whatit was called. That was their group,
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and they were fans of this guywho is alleged have slaughtered these people
in a pretty horrific way. Andthen we just started getting deeper deeper down
into the world of her being apsychopath, an admitted psychopath, and the
things that fascinate me are things thatwe have to kind of dive a little
bit deeper into today. So,first of all, Jane Doe, are
you with us? Yes, I'mhere all right? Good? How are
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you? Yeah? How are youdoing? I'm good? How are you
guys? Good? You know we'rehanging in there. You're still feeling psychopath
like? Or has that changed?Spectrum? Spectrum? It's just my way
of being. Yeah, I guessthat doesn't change every time. So,
Jane Delt, we when we lasttalked, we talked a bunch about how
you're married and your husband has noidea that you're a psychopath and that any
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of this stuff is going on,that you have a crush on this guy
who's an alleged murderer all that.Has there been anything that's developed there as
your husband caught on to anything?Have you had any moments where you almost
got caught what's going on with that? No, he is not caught on.
Are you Are you thinking that you'llalways be able to get away with
us? Or do you think you'llslip up at some point because you're like
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you're calling us on a radio showbroadcast all over right now? Yeah,
I mean there's always a chance.I mean you have to employ my risk
management strategies, right something that Ihave been working on because I know that
I could get caught with a littlebit of it as I try to to
sensitize him. So I'll introduce himto um like a meme or something that
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I found on the internet. UM, and I won't say that I'm a
fan, but I'll just you know, I'll make a joke out of it.
I wouldn't say something like the peoplewho make these are crazy. UM.
That way, UM, if hesees me looking at it, UM,
he doesn't freak out and think,oh, she's a fan. Okay,
so see what she's doing. ThatGive me an example of what you'd
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be looking at that you'd show himbecause you're kind of experimenting on him here.
Yeah, so I would be lookingat an edit that I made.
Oh, water mark, is thisstuff that you've made yourself, and you've
been like, look at these crazypeople, but you water market yet still
talking to us as Jane Doe.So I imagine that this is also an
alias that you watermark with. Ido not watermark with Jane Doe. I
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vary them simply because I don't wantpeople to catch on to me and to
dig into my background. So I'vehad a series of aliases, some of
which I've discontinued, so that peopledon't put things together. I mean,
basically, what makes sense to meis creating all of these little pieces that
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are incoherent so that people, youknow, they can't fit them together,
they can't make sense of it,so they can't find out who I am.
But what's the goal in that,Like, you still want to put
that out there to do? Whatis it for the clout without getting any
recognition? Or is it because youwant Brian to know that you're here on
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his team? I do see itas a bit of a game with the
people who are in my personal life. You know, I enjoy receiving them
and seeing what I can pull overthem is fun. But I mean I
watermark them because I could get caught, if that makes sense. Yeah,
if you are you a monogamous person? Um, yes, I mean I
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can't. I can't talk about thattoo much. All I will say is,
you know, as a psychopath,I self preserve and so I wouldn't
want to do anything that would bebad for my health, right, Okay,
all right, So you're like afraidof get an STDs or something.
Yeah, all right, So yourhusband's completely unaware of this. Um,
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you sent, I believe a letterto the alleged murderer, guy Brian Coburger.
Did you ever hear back from himon that? I did not?
I send him another one a coupleof weeks ago. Yeah, dear Slim,
I rotu. But you're still incalling what I did say in this
letter that you sent him? Youdon't which one the first one, the
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second one and the second one thatyou just sent this alleged murderer. What
did you say to him? Um? Let me pull it up. I'm
sorry it was a printed piece.So basically, UM, I kind of
went into my background a little bit, um and compared where I had just
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moved from to where I currently ambecause I have relocated to a different part
of the country. Okay, Um, he you know I've read that he
enjoys, you know, being inmountains. So I talked about moving from
a very hilly place to a flatplace, UM, and talked about that.
Um, he also enjoys. Healso enjoys killing. Do you write
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to him about killing or is itjust about the mountains and stuff? Oh?
No, it's just about mountains,because I mean, he's not going
to ever write me back if I, you know, talk about murder,
right, yeah, so do youbelieve that he did it or are we
still going like, are you partof allegedly I believe that he did it,
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And that's a big turn on forme. Okay, yes, she's
into the fact that he killed yourhusband has no idea. Alesia on YouTube
says, have you actually been clinicallydiagnosed as a psychopath or is this self
diagnosed from reading web md? Ihave been clinically diagnosed. All right,
So you went to a professional andthey told you like, look, you're
you're a psychopath. Do they armyou then with like a set of tools
(06:30):
on how to live your life sinceit's coming on sharp ones different to be
a psychopath. That they go like, here's what you need to know moving
forward. I think the most importantthing that we've talked about, and I
mean I'm already aware of this ismanaging risks. You know, if I'm
going to deceive someone, I needto make sure that I can manage the
(06:54):
risks along with that. So youknow, I work on things like mindfulness.
Yeah, okay, so you dothat kind of make sure you're protecting
yourself so you don't get caught,because if you got caught and like supporting
these killers and stuff, you wouldlose your job. Probably you don't want
to do that. Marriage, Pleaseyour marriage, God Almighty, have all
kinds of problems in your life ifthis kind of stuff went out, because
(07:15):
once that gets out there, peoplewill want to distance themselves from you as
much as possible. But you stillyou can't help yourself. You still like
to play with fire a little bit. And that is that just because you
get bored and yeah, it doesit turn you on which one of those
it's it's it's a bit of both. I mean, psychopaths we deal with
(07:38):
extreme boredom. You know, we'rewe require a higher level of stimulation than
the average person. And so yeah, it's very frustrating to you know,
try to blend in and live anormal life and to feel like my needs
aren't being met. I'm not beingstimulated enough. Yeah, and so I
will play with fire to try tosatisfy that need. But of course it
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will never be enough. Yeah,I mean, what do you mean it
will never be enough? Like ifyou're chasing further and further and further,
what what's the end goal that youthink you'll reach? Then I don't know
what the end goal is. Idon't know what the endpoint is. Is
somebody dead at the end. Idon't want to say that I could hurt
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someone. I mean, I don'tknow. Have you tried to smash That
was a joke. Basically, it'skind of like a runaway train where the
more stimulation I get it feels reallygood, but then I become desensitized to
(08:41):
it. Yeah, you need moreand more and more. That's the thing
where like they say, serial killersstart out with like animals and stuff,
and then that's not enough, andthen you go further, you go further
and further. Now with the selfpreservation thing that you're talking about, a
lot of the things that you door maticulously planned to self preserve. Do
(09:03):
you have any planning as a backup? Do you have any sort of in
case I get caught? What's goingon? Plan? Yes? Do you
know what? That is? Thestory until the third interview. So you
just moved into a new place andyou're probably meeting new people. You got
your husband, you're living this lifesecretly a psychopath. You love this Brian
(09:28):
Coburger guy um, and you're watchingall that start to play out in front
of you. And I know we'vetalked about this before, but it's not
like you're just into this Brian Coburgerguy. From what you've told me,
you are attracted to all sorts ofpeople who have been killers and serial killers
and and things like that. Howdo you hide that kind of fascination from
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somebody like your husband. I'm sureyou like read about serial killers and look
into that stuff, and he mustknow like the types of movies and stuff
that you watch seemed to lean inthat direction. Is it Is it something
that he could pick up on fromthat or are you just completely living a
fake life and like watching and readingstuff that has nothing to do with it.
For the most part, I livea double life. You know.
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Sometimes I do have a few relativeswho are really into the true crime and
so I'll pull them into it.I'll be like, Oh, I watched
this date line tonight um with Brianbecause I heard that your mom was going
to watch date Line tonight. I'mso glad she recommended it to me,
when really I had been anticipating itfor a while. Yeah, then you
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just you find some common ground thereto get into that. Oh, let
me ask you a strange question.If you were to be if you were
to be offered a chance to eathuman meat, would you try? It?
Would depend if I was in theUnited States or if I was traveling
to another country. Why, becausehere it's not legal. You can't do
(10:58):
that. Okay what wait wait waitwait, wipe legal and illegal out of
it. I'm just talking about ifif that was out of the question and
it was completely legal in the UnitedStates and somebody said, would you like
to try this slice of human meat? Would you try? Yes? Damn
it? So and so follow upquestion, would you liken someone that is
willing to do that? In therealm of being a psychopath? Some people
(11:24):
are just barbaric, sean or curious. It might just be curious, that's
what it. Would you know,being a clinically diagnosed, diagnosed psychopath,
could you how long would it takefor you to talk to somebody and know
that you're amongst a like minded individuallythere's another psycho out there. Yeah,
(11:46):
so there's a term called an edge. Lord, um, are you familiar
with that? I'm in there thatroom. Yeah. Basically, you know,
I'll kind of keep testing the watersto see if someone is stressed,
like really really edgy. Mhm um. You know, if they're not turned
off by something and they continue togo kind of down a rabbit hole where
(12:07):
most people would like stop a conversation, then I might, you know,
kind of give a little bit moreto see what happens. I mean,
if I find someone who I thinkis like myself, I never give myself
away. It's something that I cannever do. Um, just kind of
out in the open because of therelationship, you know, with a psychopath
(12:31):
and another psychopath or a sociopath.You know, basically, um, we
self preserve. Yeah, it seemslike Chris, two psychopaths together, seems
like it would be a real badsituation. Yes, exactly, you get
it then, right, Yeah,I think you would have some stormy waters
(12:52):
if that was the combination that youhad there with two psychopaths joining. If
you were to be found out byyour husband and your husband said, um,
you know, I'll stick with you. It wasn't just a like,
oh my gosh, I'm out ofhere, you know, as fast as
he can. But if he saidI'll stick with you, you know it
would work on this. Is thatsomething that would be disappointing to you or
(13:16):
would you be like I guess relieved. I would feel kind of both ways.
One because it would be harder forme to manipulate him, Um,
it would take a lot more energyand time. I would have to be
more subtle. But then also Iwould know that, Um, I would
(13:37):
still be able to fit in andlead a normal life without everyone around me
knowing and you know, staying awayfrom me. So there would be some
kind of cons but also some proswith that. But you would feel a
little bad about it. Yeah,I would feel like I'd lost in some
way. Okay, so him,she would feel bad she lost in the
(14:01):
situation. But you you derive morepleasure from the trickery of it. Yes,
So what's the difference between a psychopathand a sadist or are you a
little bit of both? A sadistis simply someone who enjoys inflecting pain upon
another person, just physical pain,not emotional like you do. I mean,
(14:24):
I believe that there is a spectrumof sadism as well. So it
could be emotional, right, youcould do, it could be oftentimes there's
not necessarily an end goal. It'sjust that they like to hurt people for
their own pleasure. Yeah, back, what do you do like when you're
not like, what's the TV showyou like? I'm not really much of
(14:52):
a TV watcher. I like tobe outside in nature. I like to
watch animals kill. Okay, sowhat's your favorite animal kill that you've seen?
This is the wormhole that she wastalking about, you psychopath. Very
recently, Oh, I saw likea hawk take someone's dog. It was
hilarious. Chained to the rack yardand it completely just ripped off the chain
(15:20):
of everything. Okay, So sothe hawk took somebody's dog and flew away
with it, and you you lovethat that was your favorite? How long
were you sitting there? Hilarious?Oh? Man, I think someone else
called the police. What do theyget? What's the police going to do?
The hawk is gone? Exactly,that's what you thought. All right,
(15:43):
you are fascinating. We need tofollow up in a month. Oh,
blessen that if possible. Wait,wait, we got the Brian Coburger
case stuff coming up. Are yougoing to be watching all of that trial
and that that could be a momentwhere maybe your husband would notice what something
was going on and go, hey, what the hell is she doing obsessing
over this trial? Yes? Iwill be watching the trial. Right now,
(16:06):
I have a lot of time onmy hands because I'm currently um looking
for a position. I've had acouple of interviews right now, so I
have to be careful. But Ihave a lot of time today to dedicate
to this um and to kind ofunderstand how trial will work. Yeah.
UM, it's possible that there willbe no cameras. UM. It's possible
(16:27):
that UM, it'll be recorded andthen kind of given to the public at
a later date and time. Ifthat happens, I can watch it when
it's convenient for me without my husbandknowing. What will you do? You
just like lock yourself in the bathroomor something. They start watching the murder
trial, I'd send him out onErran's Oh hell, do you have fun
(16:55):
manipulating your husband? Of course?Oh yeah, I do. I mean
that's one of the good it's abouthaving a spouse, is you have someone
in house who you can practice on. You know, if I need to
meet with like a director of anorganization that I'm interviewing with, UM,
I can practice with him. Areyou doing I just have that for fun?
(17:15):
I feel like, are you doingit to us right now? No?
What with him? What's the mostweird thing that you've talked him into
doing. All right, I wouldhave to think for a really long time
about that. Some of the stuffI have to push down so that I
(17:37):
can function like a normal person.Yeah, because you want it, You
want to have him do other stuff? Yeah, like embarrassing stuff. Definitely.
Wow. And then that you wouldyou would just be excited, not
that he was doing it, butyou would be excited that you laid him
do it. Yes. Oh allright, well stir on that. Um,
(17:59):
we'll connect back over your resume,get out some friends here. I
thank you, Jane Doe. Weappreciate you talking to us. Of course,
all right there, should go talkto you soon. Jane Doe,
psychopath who has been connecting with theshow. Yeah, we learned a little
more each time. This time welearned about her enjoying the nature uh in
(18:22):
action. That's the first time weheard her laugh. Yeah, it's kind
of a strange laugh. I wasa frightening laugh. And she was laughing
about a dog die and John youlike, I mean, you're right,
upper alley man. What are youtalking about? How am I upper alley
is? I think the next timewe talked to her, I'm going to
be like, which of the threeof us as a psychopath? And so
(18:45):
far you are checking out even closeto us. I'm I am test the
wall. By the way, everybodyon chat who's like this is fake,
there's is now real to this.I'm having some sus moments where I do
feel like she's just putting on someshell. She's real. I'm telling was
(19:07):
just acting the idea that she wanted, would want to act that out is
psycho to begin with, right,So like either her husband, man,
all right, we're gonna take quickbreak. Yeah, we're gonna sit in
silence. We'll be back in justa moment. Jerry Duty coming up next
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