The Not So Breakfast Show

The Not So Breakfast Show

Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.

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October 12, 2025 23 mins

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Sacha's drinking her Moody probiotic soda (unofficial sponsor, awaiting payment confirmation) while stress-managing through tomorrow's house auction, ready to burn all the styling company's cushions in a cleansing ritual. Ish has been executing decisions at breakneck speed this week, discovering both the benefits and the "oh shit, should've thought of that" consequences of moving fast. Pl...

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Your Roman Empire (And Why Your Brain Won't Shut Up)

Sacha's wearing her new Temu t-shirt ("More Spaghetti Less Upsetting") after finally breaking her months-long resistance to fast fashion retail therapy, while Ish has discovered a new level of ChatGPT skills can solve tech support problems in minutes that actual support teams can't solve in days. This spirals into a conversation about mental ...

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Episode 230: Stop Being So Shit (A Leadership Manifesto)

Recording at actual breakfast time for once, Sacha's successfully navigating life without peanut slabs through strategic fruit substitution and emergency dried fruit protocols. This leads into a conversation about whether we need more leaders or just more people willing to improve their performance and help each other out.

Maybe we don't need more leader...

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Ish has discovered the joy of AI video creation, pumping out caveman presentation ads that make everyone laugh, while Sacha's fresh from speaking to the RV crowd about her bus childhood (finally an audience that gets it). This leads into expanding their coaching toolkit beyond their beloved "Not So Breakfast Show" model with five coaching styles that all conveniently start with E.

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 Laptops, Notebooks, and the Art of Meeting Presence

Sacha's fully dressed this week (an achievement after last episode's Jedi robe situation), while Ish has been designing corporate off-sites and pondering the eternal question: what does your choice of meeting tech say about you? From notebooks to laptop barriers, this conversation dives into how showing up intentionally can transform your professional brand...

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Sacha appears in full Jedi regalia (aka her dressing gown) because house staging has banished all her warm clothes to boxes in the attic, while fake dried flowers now populate her formerly book-filled shelves. From this perfectly timed example of "not feeling it" comes a conversation about practical strategies for showing up when motivation has completely abandoned ship.

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Episode 226:  The Gap Between Expectation and Rain-Soaked Reality

The episode opens with something completely unprecedented: Sacha starting the show with a ChatGPT-generated script about disappointment. Three minutes of AI-crafted banter later, both hosts are thoroughly weirded out and decide to start over properly - leading to a deeper conversation about disappointment, expectations, and why sitting with difficult fee...

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August 17, 2025 29 mins

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Episode 225: Decision Fatigue 

Sacha's sparkling from her early morning gym session (not traditionally a morning person but aging into it), while Ish admits to being in bed by 8:30pm because everyone else was out. From this perfectly matched energy mismatch comes a conversation about decision fatigue - plus Sacha drops a challenge that might just produce New Zealand's next Christmas number one.

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Episode 224: The Hour of Fails and the Power of Reflection

Join Ish and Sach for the discovery of the dreaded F8 button, and the ultimate podcast fail -doing an entire show without hitting record. But from this beautiful disaster comes a conversation about reflection, journaling, and learning from our daily experiences (including how to properly operate recording equipment).

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August 3, 2025 28 mins

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Listen, laugh, and learn as we share our latest thoughts on staying relevant, contemporary leadership, and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the co-owner and Head of Helping at Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops.

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Episode 222: Coffee Culture Chronicles - Building Community One Cup at a Time

Sacha's broadcasting live from her Antarctic igloo (aka Christchurch in winter), complete with puffer jacket indoors, preparing for this week's Momentum conference, where she's the lone woman among a lineup of "bros and me." This leads into the fascinating origin story of Coffee Culture and what it really takes to bui...

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Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 221: Say What You Mean Without Being Mean

Ish and Sacha are live and in-person for only the third time in 222 episodes. Today's topic: how to challenge ideas and give feedback without being mean, plus how to receive that feedback without taking it personally. 

Also, the irony wasn't lost on anyone that an episode about "saying what you mean without being mean" started ...

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 Episode 220: Once Upon a Time... The Power of Story in Sales

Ish opens with a ChatGPT-generated fairy tale intro featuring "the evil rental property™" as the villain tormenting Sir Ish, while Sacha reveals her big news: after 13 years in Hamilton, she and Chris are moving back to Christchurch! This house-hunting adventure becomes the perfect segue into exploring why storytelling is the secret weapon...

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Special Late Night Edition: The secret life of a Juice Hustler

Ish stays up past his bedtime (a whopping 8:12 pm!) to chat with Sacha's friend Aarti Bhanderi-Shah, who went from corporate law to driving around London with a car full of cold-pressed juices, pitching to 300 cafes in two weeks. Now a nutritionist, Aarti shares why sleep might be more important than your kale smoothie obsession.

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Episode 218: When Shame Hits Different (And WhatsApp Groups Become Weapons)

Sacha returns from Fiji with a tan and a trauma—being unceremoniously booted from a Harvard WhatsApp group with 160 people, then discovering they had a whole discussion about her "eligibility" while she was locked out. What starts as a petty digital drama becomes a masterclass in understanding the difference between guilt and...

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Episode 217: The Perspective Problem (And Why You'll Start Your Running Program Tomorrow)


This week, we examine how our personal perspective determines whether we ruminate about the past, catastrophize about the future, or have public meltdowns with zero regard for consequences. 

Plus, the brutal truth about "future discounting" and why Sacha's been planning to start training for a half...

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When LinkedIn Goes Wild (And Why Professional Discourse Matters)


Sacha went a bit viral on LinkedIn with a post calling out the appalling way people were attacking former New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern's new book. What started as frustration with unprofessional discourse turned into a masterclass on why how you express yourself online matters for your career, and why women face disproportionate vitrio...

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Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 215: Taking Your Shot (Even When You're Over 50)

Sacha discovers that 80% of Forbes' "100 Most Powerful Women" are over 50 and has a full-blown existential celebration! In this episode, our hosts dive into recognising when it's time to make a move, overcoming the "I could do this, or this, or this" paralysis, and why women over 50 might just be...

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Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 214: Developing Your People (Without Losing Your Mind)

Ish and Sacha return from their international adventures (Chicago and Morocco, respectively) to tackle one of leadership's biggest challenges: how to develop your team without burning yourself out in the process. Is investing in people worth it if they might leave? (Spoiler: the alternative is worse!)

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Episode 213 (RE-RELEASE): Is Comparison Killing Your Creativity?


Ever find yourself scrolling social media and suddenly feeling like a complete failure? In this fan-favourite episode, Ish and Sacha dive into why comparison can either fuel your fire or completely extinguish it! Get ready for some straight talk about why your Instagram envy might be holding back your best ideas.

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