The Not So Breakfast Show
Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.
Episodes
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Episode 257: The First 5 Minutes That Make or Break Your Presentation
We’re recording early, with Sacha dialling in at 6am in full Hugh Hefner-style pyjamas ahead of a big trip to Mexico
In classic Sacha fashion, preparation has gone deep… including discovering that Mexico City sits at 2,200+ metres above sea level (a slight difference from Queenstown 😅). So if altitude sickness hits mid-podcast next...
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Stop Consuming—Start Controlling What You Can
This week’s mini is a full rant… and honestly, it hits.
With everything happening in the world right now, economic uncertainty, global conflict, constant updates, it’s easy to feel like you need to stay informed.
But here’s the truth: More information doesn’t always help.
In fact, it can leave you feeling more anxious and more powerless.
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Episode 256: Busy or Avoiding? The Truth About Your Workload
We kick things off mid-real-life chaos, with Sacha juggling admin dramas , a perfect reminder that sometimes the small stuff can feel way bigger than it should.
And it sets the scene perfectly for today’s conversation…
👉 Are you actually busy… or are you avoiding the work that really matters?
In this episode, Ish and Sasha unpack the uncomfort...
The Hidden Damage of Gossip
A bit of a different one this week…
This mini was sparked by a real situation where a piece of “well-meaning” information turned out to be completely wrong, but not before it caused stress, confusion, and unnecessary action.
It’s a powerful reminder:
👉 Not everything you hear is true.
👉 And repeating it can do real damage.
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Episode Show Notes: Who Gets the Credit?
Sacha is fresh off a near miss with an Easter chocolate bunny, after realising she’d already eaten lunch (sushi, no less), she heroically returned the bunny and opted for an apple instead. Discipline levels: questionable… but improving.
Meanwhile, this episode was sparked by a real-world frustration pulled straight from Reddit, someone claiming...
Mid-Week Mini
The world feels heavy right now—uncertainty, rising costs, global tension. It’s easy to slip into anxiety when everything feels out of control.
In this quick Midweek Mini, Ish and Sasha share a simple but powerful strategy:
🔑 What We Cover
- Why anxiety increases when we feel powerless
- The science behind action to reduce stress
- Simple ways to regain control in uncertain times
- Creating intentional mo...
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Episode Show Notes: Squeaky Wheels at Work
Before we get into today’s topic, a couple of updates…
Sacha’s headphones have made a miraculous recovery. After a dramatic fall into the moat (yes, actual tears were involved), she pulled them apart, dried them out in the sun, and somehow brought them back to life. A lesson in resilience and maybe not giving up too quickly when things go wro...
Midweek Mini – Mental Vaccination
What’s the worst that could happen?
No really. Write it down.
This Midweek Mini explores a concept used by high-performance athletes, military teams, and leadership groups: mental vaccination.
The idea is simple.
You deliberately imagine the worst-case scenarios so that if they happen, you’re already prepared.
- What if the market crashes?
- What if there’s a cyber attack?
- What if ...
Episode 253 – Show Notes
Sacha starts the episode emotionally compromised.
Why?
Her headphones — her emotional support headphones — fell into the moat outside her front door.
Yes. There is a moat.
Once the mourning period passes, Ish and Sacha get into the real topic of the episode: business aphorisms — those short, punchy sayings that everyone repeats as if they’re universal truths.
But are they?
They unpack...
Midweek Mini – Closing the Loop
Ever had a conversation… made a decision… and then forgot to tell the person who raised it?
This week’s Midweek Mini is about closing loops.
As leaders, parents, partners — we often resolve things internally.
But if we don’t communicate the outcome, the loop stays open for everyone else.
Open loops create uncertainty.
Uncertainty slows momentum.
And sometimes all it takes i...
Leadership styles. We all have one.
Or six.
Fresh from leadership camp, Ish and Sacha unpack the six classic leadership styles — and use some very recognisable global figures to bring them to life (brace yourself).
From directive and commanding… to coaching and democratic… to pace-setting, relationship-driven, and visionary — this episode explores what each style looks like at its best, and at its worst.
Spoiler: there ...
Midweek Mini: Slow Down to Go Fast
A quick reminder that sometimes going slow makes you exponentially more efficient.
The Core Principle
Want to go fast at work building trust and relationships?
Slow down first.
How It Works
Take time to:
- Really understand the people you're working with
- Understand the person on other side of table/deal
- Ask better questions
- Get to know their motivations
- Look for what they're NOT ...
Not So Breakfast Show - Communication (The Number One Skill Leaders Want to Work On)
Sacha's back from the Dominican Republic (near Cuba, NOT Spain, despite Ish's geography) where her mum didn't research the location until after she'd left, then panicked. Meanwhile, Ish is prepping for Leadership Camp and reviewing pre-work responses - discovering yet again that the number one skill leaders wan...
Not So Breakfast Show - Midweek Mini: Focus Check-In (The Dump Day Follow-Up)
A quick midweek pause to audit where your attention actually is - and whether it's serving you or sabotaging you.
The Core Question
"Where is my focus right now?"
There's usually something in your brain controlling your attention, whether you're aware of it or not.
IS THIS SERVING ME?
Your focus is currently on something...
Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 250: Always Be Learning (ABL) - And Why Sacha Wears the Same Outfit All Week
Sacha's wearing the same outfit she wore yesterday (and will wear all week) following the Steve Jobs/Angela Merkel/Hillary Clinton uniform approach to reduce decision fatigue. Ish just learned this today after recording back-to-back sessions. This kicks off a conversation about ABL - Always Be Learning - ...
Midweek Mini: Put Out the Match, Not the Bushfire
Hope is not a strategy. When you see that little flare of trouble in your team, process, or system, and you think "I hope that dies out on its own" - that's the moment to act. Three weeks later when you're fighting a bushfire, you'll wish you'd dealt with the match.
The Core Principle
Small conversations feel awkward because you're bri...
Not So Breakfast Show - Episode 249: How to Be Agreeably Disagreeable
Sacha's experimenting with fake tan for the first time at nearly 53 (she looks like a giraffe's coat of many colors, according to her assessment), while Ish is fresh from the gym, sweaty and smelly (lucky they record on line). Today's topic: How do you disagree without becoming a career-limiting liability? How do you challenge ideas ...
MWM - One-Shot Moments
Ish watched Ed Sheeran's Netflix special - one continuous hour-long shot following him from gig to gig across New York. No cuts, no edits, just seamless performance requiring massive preparation. It got him thinking: How many one-shot moments do we have in our lives where we just wing it instead of doing the prep that moment deserves?
Main Topic
The One-Shot Reality -- First impressions, cru...
Episode 248
It's Wednesday - traditionally "hump day" - but Sacha and Ish are rebranding it as "dump day" because they both have the minds of 12-year-old boys and can't get past the fornication implications. This episode is all about mental decluttering: getting the thoughts, tasks, and guilt out of your head so you can actually focus on what matters. From constipation metaphors to earth...
The Not So Breakfast Show - Midweek Mini
Episode: What Is Your Shadow?
Episode Summary
Every strength has a shadow side. If Superman were evil, he'd have all his abilities but use them for harm. This quick mini explores the downside of your strengths—from being the idea person who never finishes anything, to being so helpful you burn out and resent everyone. The trick? Take micro-pauses to ask: Does thi...
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