October 7, 2024: Overreaction Monday - Are the Browns and Bengals done This Season? - The Press Box with Marty Bannister

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the press box with Marty Banister, the latest
on all local sports from Wright State to the Dayton Flyers,
from the Reds and Buckeyes to the Bengals and Browns.
Called Marty now at nine three seven by three one
six ' one seven zero the press Box on Fox
Sports nine eighty WNA.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
My promise to the organization and to the fans is
that I'll spend all my energy ensuring that they spend
all their energy trying to play the game correctly and
with respect.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
See there is hope. Terry Francona, the new manager of
the Cincinnati Reds, introduced earlier today, Welcome to the press
Box on Fox Sports nine eighty WNE. On this as
usual an over reaction Monday. I'm still trying to gather
myself from what happened yesterday. We'll get into all of

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that coming up during the program this afternoon. Kelly b
first place, Kelly b. Oh By the way, we have
to give props where props are necessary and where props
are who are beloved. Washington Commanders, for the second time
this season, went out knocked off one of Ohio's teams. Well,
the other Ohio team we all know which one is
the Ohio team that's the Bengals anyway, and it did

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it an impressive fashion, and in doing so have opened
up a whole boatload of question marks on the north
part of the state of Ohio, as if there weren't
any on the southern part. Well, were you right up
until five o'clock today, we have a lot to get
into on the program. We'll hear from Terry Francona. We'll
hear from Joe Burrow, who is obviously not happy, nor
should he be. We'll hear from Kevin Stevanski, who I'm

(01:39):
trying to figure out whether he's upset or not. I
he looked at yesterday when Deshaun Watson left the field
on that fourth end whatever it was fourth and one
or whatever the situation was, late in the first half,
and so everybody's still trying to fare exactly what happened there.
We'll hear his comments as well too, and we have

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a lot to dissect from what happened yesterday. Program coming
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with you again right up until five o'clock this afternoon,
So some things update you on before we dive into
what we have for you on the program today. The
Bengals have lost Dax Hill for the rest of the

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season with an acl that announce a little bit earlier today.
He went down I think it was in the first
half of the game yesterday, and you could tell when
he walked off the field that that was an end
of the season walk off. You could just kind of
sense it in the way he went off. So and
already depleted secondary that, let's be honest, just as I'm
playing very well right now, loses another key performer. So

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there you have that that coming out of yesterday. The Browns, well,
the Browns are still trying to figure out what happened
to them on Sunday just outside of our nation's Capitol
when they were boat raced by the Commanders, who really
are one of the without a doubt, one of the
field good stories in the NFL right now. So again,
graduations to Kelly. Her team is rolling right along. She

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has a smug smile on her face as well. She should.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I feel good. You said it's to feel good. I
feel good. It's I'm still shocked. Right before the show,
I was. I was telling Marty that this was the
first game that I was able to actually cheer while
the game was happening. Typically, I've been either pacing in
my home or just you know, panting, kind of just

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staring at the television.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
But I was.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
I had expectations and even though we struggled, because here's
the thing, the Browns have a good defense.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
If they were, I think you're gonna get a lot
of pushback on it would at least continue.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
They up until up until yesterday, there was an idea.
The idea was that they had a pretty good defense,
and I mean honestly a good defense. Everyone was like,
we need to make sure that Deshaun Watson that the
offense works because they're in the bottom tier of the
league in offensive production. But the defense was what they

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were able to hang their hat on. And well, you know,
it's a week by week league, that's what.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Oh yeah, Well, I think though, we're getting to the
point of the season, and again, these are the things
we're all gonna break down. We're gonna go through both
games here in this in this first hour. But I
think we're kind of getting past week by week right
now for these two teams. You have to start looking
down the road now because that's kind of where this

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is at right now, and it's not It's not good
on either end of the state. So there's a lot
to get into it. But again, we just want to
make sure we give props where props are due. Kelly's
commanders are in first place, and as I said, one
of the really one of the feel good stories of
this young well getting young, getting getting older. As it
is early NFL season, if that makes any sense to

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you whatsoever, some of the things update you on the
baseball has been just fabulous over the weekend. If my goodness,
that Phillies Mets game last night that was that was
something else really really was and Nick Castianos with the
big hit as the Phillies win, and in about an
hour the Guardians will try to go up two to
oh on the Detroit Tigers, where they get their hands

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full going up Againstcruble today, who's probably gonna win the
Cy Young Award in the American League as well. He should. Uh,
this will be an interesting one. I think if the
Guardians win this win today, they win the series because
then there's it's two out of three. If you have
to play a fifth game, you're coming back to Cleveland.
I like their chances if they get this one today
and again the first pitch will be a little bit
after four o'clock. Will keep you updated during hour number

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two of the program here today. Then tonight Yankees Royals
go at it? Did you see the scene in San
Diego late last night after the after the Podreys had
punished the Dodgers yesterday? And that that sounds good to say,
doesn't it?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
It does?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
They spend all that money and and their and they
and they get torched in well, I was game two
of that series the Potrays where they hit six home
runs in that game.

Speaker 5 (06:01):
Something goofy like that.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Yeah, And the fans in the right field seats were
throwing things at one of the Potter's outfielders had to
calm everybody down. And of all places, Los Angeles where
I'm surprised there are still fans in the stands out
late in the game, because normally they're gone by about
the eighth inning. So but still, it was kind of
a wild situation out there last night in Los Angeles.

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Dodgers Pottery's even had a winn apiece in that series,
and the Phillies Mets are even at a game apiece,
so they get the day off today. That's where both
those series will resume tomorrow. So all of this that's
happened in the last twenty four hours, we haven't even
talked about college football. And Saturday was you want to
use the term off the rails, please go right ahead

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and do so. I mean number one, Vanderbilt. I mean,
are we kidding each other here? I'm watching that game
and I'm thinking to myself, all this can't continue, can it.
It was when I was with my daughter, was back
in town. Were so much fun over the weekend, went
out and golfed on Saturday. Had just had a wonderful time.

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She's in town for the first time in about about
two years. Military service will do that to you. But
good to have her back in town. Uh and uh.
We got back from the golf course and we're watching
the game and we kept looking at you the going oh,
it's it's twenty three to ten. Vander But Alabama was
gonna say, all right, enough of this, We've had enough
of this, and Vanderbilt just would not let him do it.

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Just would not let them do it and hung on
on one. When you look at upsets, that is a
kin I think right now to what would be the
Big Ten equivalent of that? Would that be Northwestern coming
into Columbus and winning? Would that be close?

Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Although although Northwestern's had success over the years, they've been
to bowl games, Vanderbilt's just been kind of muddling along
in the bottom of the.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Maryland. Or Rutgers, I feel like that.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Rutgers, Yeah, Rutgers coming in.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
To Columbus and and winning in a in a game
that comes down to the wire, sure, but still winning.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, and winning it in impressive fashion as well too.
Uh So, props too of Vannerbilt. Then later in the
night in Fayetteville, Arkansas, Arkansas, it was funny. We ran
a poll last Friday and I went back and looked
at it.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
I did too.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Of the top of the top four teams in the polls,
we asked you which one was more likely to lose first,
and Tennessee was the winner in the poll kind of
going away, but Alabama was second. They both lost on
the Yeah, I was like, I never would have thought
they both would have went down on Saturday. Of the
two I would have gone with Tennessee. Yeah, yeah, I

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would have gone. I felt like we jinxed them. Honestly,
I literally went back to the poll like, oh.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Man, we we definitely put that energy in the air,
because I honestly, after Alabama I thought not, okay, okay, okay,
we've already done enough. You know, the football gods have
had their way. And then I'll watching late into the
evening and it's it's getting worse, and I was like, wow,

(09:11):
it was upset upset city this weekend.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
I thought it was interesting if you saw the end
of the Tennessee Arkansas game with about it was about
two minutes left, I think it was pretty obvious that
Tennessee let Arkansas score so they could get the ball back.
I mean some of the Tennessee defenders, you could tell
they just kind of stopped and put their hand and
not put their hands up there, but just stopped. Which
Kirk k Herbstreet all credit to him. He was on

(09:35):
that right away. Yeah, he said on their because it
looks to me like Tennessee just decided to let them
score so they get the ball back.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Yeah they time, Yeah, yeah, they went at a time.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
So I that's such to me, and I've had a
lot discussions with a lot of coaches I know over
the years about that situation, and that's a very difficult
situation to be in as a coach. Well what do
you do because you know, well, if if they just
keep running the football, the game's.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Over, you're gonna eat the glass.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
But if Arkansas, I mean, if Arkansas would have been smart,
they just would have the running backs just would have
taken a knee or gone down. But it's so it's
an interesting question, and I think one that is certainly
fun to deal with here. So let's see. Other than that,
of course, Terry Francona introduced earlier today's new manage in
the Cincinnati Reds. We weren't with you on Friday. When
this news broke late Thursday night, I cannot tell you

(10:26):
my level of excitement that Terry Francona is managing my
favorite baseball team. I just cannot believe that they actually
swung for the fences for a change and hit a
home run here. I know he didn't manage last year,
but if you listen to him, and I listened to
his press or earlier today, we're gonna play you some

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snippets of it here. A little bit later on, I
was we always like to do. He is energized, he
is excited, he is ready to go. I was texting
with Tom Hamilton to play by play voice of the
Guardians over the weekend and just asking him about Tito
and the rave reviews, just topped to bottom about this

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guy and what he's going to do. And I asked
Tom about his health and how much of a concern
that was, and he said, you have to understand Tito
needed to do that just to get away from the
game so he could survive, so he could live. He
was that messed up from a mental and a health standpoint,
He just needed to get away from baseball for a year.

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And Francona will talk about it a little bit later
on about his the way he reacted when the Reds
approached him. It took. Initially, he said he wasn't interested
in coming back, he didn't want to manage again. But
when Nick Krawl and the other Reds front office people
were spending time with him and talking with him, the

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more it went on, the more he got energized. And
at one point he said, heck, I was even ready
to go. Put a uniform on. Then during the conversation,
which stretched into the neighborhood about five and a half hours.
Oh but as far as I'm conserved, Tom Hamilton says,
the guy is good. I'm I'm I'm I'm happy this
And well, if you remember when David Bell was let

(12:09):
go and we talked about the day after, what was
one of the names you and I both both mentioned.
We both said Terry Franco. But we but we both
also went, it's just not gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
He's done, he's realiring.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
He does he has nothing to prove, he has nothing
to come back for. Well, apparently he does. And why,
I just I just can't wait. I mean, I this
is I mean, it's October. Yeah, and I would love
to be excited about my baseball team in October for
another reason. But I'm excited about my baseball team in
October right now for this reason. I'm just, uh, I
just can't believe they did this. I can't either. I was.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
I was actually shocked when I found out. And really
he sounded so energized that I think that I think
that Reds fans have a lot to look forward to
coming out.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
He's he's obviously, and he even said, as you heard
in the SoundBite we played, which is why I played it,
because I think that's a very interesting SoundBite. These guys
are gonna play the game the way it's supposed to
be played, which it obviously hasn't been played the last
three or four seasons. Whether that's David Bell's fault or
wherever that's that's the case. So more we'll hear more

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about Terry Francona a little bit later on a lot
of high school football on Friday night, big games all
across the area. Once again, we had to week number
eight this week of a high school football season. Playoffs
are right around the corner. We have two fan polls up.
We'll tell you about those when we come back. And
as painful as is, we'll have to start diving into
what happened yesterday in Cincinnati and just outside of our

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nation's capital. Yeah, we have to. We're contractually obligated to
do that, well not contractly abligated, but we didn't do it.
You whatever smidget of respect you have for this program,
you'd lose anyway. So Cowboys and Steelers, by the way,
ended after midnight this morning because of the rain, your
cowboys gotta win and see again that's where yesterday even

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still dark, frustrating because Cincinnati. Look, I'm mad at a
game out of first first, right though.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Because they should have won that game. They should have
You are, We're tall.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
We're gonna find somebody angry and we come back. It's
three fifteen. It's the press box, Fox Sports nine eighty wo.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Get on the press box called Marty now at nine
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Speaker 3 (14:34):
N eighty and welcome back to the program Fox Sports
nine eighty w O and em Marty Banners. Great Tad
is here on this sensational Monday afternoon. As far as
the weather in our area is concerned, bright sunny skies,
temperature more seasonal right now mid to upper sixties. But
goodness sakes, have you looked at the weather yet for
uh look down south? I mean, my goodness. If you

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have friends or family in Florida, boy, prayers and everything
go out their direction. They're about to get that cat.
That Hurricane Milton overnight went from a tropical depression to
a category five I mean almost overnight, and it is
an enormous storm which is bearing down on the Gulf
coast of Florida and an entire western coast of Florida

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within the next couple of days. The University of Cincinnati
is scheduled to play football at UCF on Saturday. Yeah.
I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
There's and with everything that's still going on in the
aftermath of Helene, all the clean up that's surrounding that
right now. Boy, I tell you, emergency responders, first responders,

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they're being stretched thin right now. And not to mention
the Goonna says the families who are dealing with just
so much right now. And it's a boy. And then
this thing is, I was watching I'm a Weather Channel nerd.
I love to watch the Weather Channel. When it first
came on back whatever, it was, eighty to eighty one
something like that, I was there almost I mean weather

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on to ten. I mean I could I could recite
it verbatim. I just there was just something that fascinated
me about that, and still does. I would not want
to be Jim Canty or any of those other they're
they're on what they what do they call them? O
c m's on camera meteorologists. I would not want to
be one of them, because you know he's going to
be right in the middle of it in Tampa or
wherever it is. That's always the running joke. If you've

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seen Jim Cantre in your town during a weather situation,
you know it's bad. You know it's bad, so but
hopefully uh well, I mean, just those folks just be
thinking of hope. If you have family or friends down there,
we uh were with you thinking of them. And it's
a it's gonna be brutal. It looks like it's going
to be a whopper of a storm. And just how

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fast it strengthened into a Category five is the other
phenomenal part about this. But the climate's fine. Don't worry
about that, all right, Let's move on. We don't want
to we don't want to do anything on those lines.
Oh okay, we'll get to our fan poles first. Get
we got to start our fan poles for you here today.
We have a couple of them. I've already getting good
response on both of the Number one would benching quarterback

(17:08):
Deshaun Watson be a positive move for the Cleveland Browns
If you watched yesterday and I try to go back
and forth when they both play at the same time,
and it was just abysmal from what I saw, from
almost the time they got off the bus until they
got on to the to the field in Washington and
all throughout. Is benching him a positive move? Yes, he's

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obviously struggling. Doubtful. There are too many other issues. Ken Dorsey,
the offensive coordinator, is maybe perhaps more the issue, or
simply he's still the guy. There's really no one else
you can play because I think if you think Jameis
Winston is going to walk in there and beat Joe
Flacco from last year, you're fooling yourself. That's not going
to happen. There are too many I think. I think

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there are too many other issues they're dealing with right now,
and I think it starts. The big issue is the
fact they're paying him two hundred and forty what is it,
two hudred and fifty million dollars.

Speaker 5 (18:05):
To be thirty quarterback to thirty guaranteed?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Are you benching this guy? If you're Jimmy Hasn'm paying
him these kind of dollars, I don't think, Well, you.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Don't, Well, here's that okay.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
So this is the actual issue, is that nobody else
on the team, including I think the coaches, want Deshaun
Watson to play. So it's the owner because and I understand,
if I'm paying a guy that much money, I want
him to do the thing he's supposed to do. But
at this point, it is at it is to the

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detriment of everyone else on the team. Nobody wants to
play on either side of the ball for Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
But here you have an owner. Though he's in that category.
He falls into that category of the of those people
who do not like to be told that they're wrong, correct,
and he and this would be telling him, hey, you're wrong,
you made a mistake here. Now, whether it's guy, whether
it was if you listened to some of the Cleveland
talk shows, and I tuned into Ken Carmon for a

(19:06):
little bit this morning just to kind of get a
thought on what the feeling is up there, and it's
not good. It's not good up there in Cleveland right now,
but to kind of get his response and the way
people were reacting to all of this, and the general
consensus seems to be is that it's Andrew Barry's guy,

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or that's Andrew Berry is stuck with this guy because
maybe he didn't really want him, but was told to
go out and make this deal work when it came
to fruitional companies. Because if you remember, initially during all
of this, the Browns were almost tossed out of the
hunt immediately. If you remember back a couple of years
ago about this when the Watson, when teams were going

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after Watson, the Browns were like, automatically, I'm not going there.
I'm not going I'm not gonna go play there. But
somehow it turned around and the Browns threw this all
this money at him and away we go. So but
it's apparent that nobody wants to play with this guy
right now. I mean, you just have to watch him play.
Body language, everything tells you nobody wants to play with
this guy right now. And that's tad bit of a problem.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
It's it's a.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Problem right now so huge because everyone at like everyone
on book. It's not even just that the offense can't
move the ball. It's that now the defense that is
pretty good knows no matter what we do, we could
we could stop, we could get three three and outs

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in a row, three in a row, and we will
still have zero points on the board.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
The Browns. The Browns, to put it in perspective, are
the third lowest scoring team in the NFL. You know
who's behind them? The Carolina and New England.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, I was like, it's got to be the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Those are only two teams they're scoring more point. How
bad is that? It's horrible because those are those are
two bad football teams, I mean badroom ball teams. So anyway,
that's our that's our first question today. The second question,
we're gonna turn our attention to this one. Now. Of course,
yesterday Baltimore beating Cincinnati in overtime forty one thirty eight,
were the Bengals too conservative on offense in the overtime

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after recovering the Ravens fumble and plus territory? Okay, all right,
now here we go. Number one? Were they too conservative? Yes?

Speaker 5 (21:20):
And no.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Now here's why I say yes. Obviously, you've got to
take a shot. You have to take at least one
shot down the field. You do the way Borrow through
five touchdown passes. Yes, yeah, that was probably the best
game he has played at Cincinnati's quarterback. He could pretty
much do whatever he wanted to do, put the ball

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wherever he wanted to put it. Yesterday, how I mean,
any receiver, any route. The interception really wasn't his fault.
That was Jamar Chase's fault because he didn't run the
route right. Yeah, if you will go back, and even
after the game, Jamar even ad minute, Hey, that was
my fault, right, didn't run the route correctly. So take
that out of the mix. And so Burrow his best game.

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I think that was his best game as a Bengal.
I can't recall a better game for Burrow. And that's
like back to back weeks. Now where he is, he's
topped himself. So the the yes part of it falls
to that. Here's the no part of it. And and
I initially I was like the vast majority of Bengals

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fans that I know, and I was with quite a
few of them yesterday, and we were all yelling and
screaming at the television when they ran three straight running
plays in the overtime and got did they get a yard?

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Maybe like maybe maybe two one.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Or two yards on on that on that series. No,
Because you've got a weapon in Evan McPherson, and I
know it would have been a fifty three yard field goal.
I'm not I'm not naive to that part of it
at all. But when this guy has won so many
games for you in the past making those type of

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field goals, there has to be something in the back
of your mind as a coach that says, we're gonna
win the game right here, We're gonna if and I
think part of the plot, part of the play calling
kind of went into the mindset, well, maybe we can
get lucky and snap one off and get about seven
or eight yards and make it more make it more manageable.
Because the negative to this is, remember Baltimore had been

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getting to Burrow at times during the game. If he
drops back to throw and takes a sack, then all
of this is out the window. All of this is out. Yeah,
the conservative thing that's gone. The questions go from was
he too conservative? To why couldn't they offensive line block
for him? That's where that's where it goes. So to me,

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it's a yes and no answer on this. The no
part of it is you've got a guy in McPherson
who had I mean goodness, saxth the guy kicked you
to the Super Bowl three years ago. He's one game
after game and I know again it was fifty plus
yards and it was it was a bit of a
of a shot, but he's made those with no problem before.
And you have to think too, if the hold is

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if it's a good hold by Ryan Rico, Yeah, he
probably splits the upright. It's I mean that even even
on the even the kicking the ball off that bad hold,
he had the distance.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
It was just obviously looked like one of my t
shots on Saturday at a bridgeview out on the broad Street.
It was way left. You just knew that as soon
as it left the t and as soon as it
left his foot you knew. But a credit to CBS
for right away jumping on the replay and noticing what happened.
I mean, they were on it right away.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
So it was clear something went wrong because Evan McPherson is.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Is I mean, he's he doesn't miss that bad Yeah,
he's he misses to you know, if he misses, it's
curving on the inside, it's hitting the upright. Yeah, he
doesn't miss like that.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Not like that, And I mean it was clear some
thing went wrong. So I think everyone was like, well,
we wouldn't what had what had to have happened. But
that's the thing, even if you get those seven eight yards,
that the hold was the issue, Now.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
That wouldn't made it if the whole would have been bad. Yeah,
you're exactly right. You're exactly right.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
It's the conservative you as as a football coach in
the NFL with a with a kicker like this, a
proven kicker, you rely on that kicker. That's that's the
reason you got that guy there.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
How many games has as I said, how many games
has it won it won for you in the past.
Yeahs AFC Championship, AFC semi finals. I mean you can
go back game after game after gamers game. So that
to me, knowing the way Zach Taylor coaches this football team,
I have to think that somewhere in the back of
his mind when they got the football, he went, Okay,

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we're gonna run a couple of plays here. We're gonna
see what happens if if Zach Moore, Zach Moss or
Chase Brown is able to kind of snap one office
and give us about seven or eight more yards, so
much the better. But the Ravens well, they were. They
weren't going to allow that to happen. I mean, they
they had ganged the middle of the field. But that's
that I I don't and in a lot of respects,

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I don't fault Zach Taylor for that part of it,
But I do fault him for the part of automatically
almost just kind of throwing your hands up and say, well,
we're gonna just play for the feldball. At least take
one shot, take one shot down the field. I happy
with that. I'd have been happy with that.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
But here's the thing about the Bengals right now. They
were able to stop Derrick Henry yesterday, the defense got
a safety, a safety and Joe Burrow put up over
thirty points. Why can't the Bengals win games like those things?

Speaker 5 (26:44):
If you say those things happen to any team.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
We stopped there, weepy, and it's happened multiple times now
and you still lose the game. That's a that's that's
bigger than than there's no than anything.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
And then you know what I mean, it's insane.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm right with you. I'm right with you, and I
think you can seriously question his game planning. A lot
of times yeah. But my point is I think that
I think that's a yes or no answer on was
he too conservative? Right now? Sixty six percent of you
say yes, take at least one shot down the field,
Twenty eight percent of you say it's okay to rely
on McPherson, five percent of you saying no, A sack

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takes you out of range. In that we'll get We'll
continue with this when we come back. It's the press box.
Weread to head with us here on overreaction Monday, Fox
Sports nine eighty w name.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
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Speaker 3 (27:55):
There's baseball playoff action this afternoon. In about oh forty minutes,
the Cleveland guard Deals will try to go up two
zero on the Detroit Tigers in the American League Division Series.
First pitch a little bit after four o'clock today from
Progressive Field in Cleveland. Tonight, Kansas City and the Yankees
will play Game two of the American League Division of
the other half of the American League Division Series. We'll
continue our conversation after Sunday's games in Cincinnati. And in

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watching we're dealing with the Cincinnati into things first. We'll
get into the Browns here in a little bit. We
our pole question I think has generated a lot of response,
a lot of good discussion today asking about the Bengals.
Were they too conservative in the overtime? And we've got
some great responses here, some of these coming in as
a part of our poll question today. DJ Shelley Shell
Joe was thirty for thirty and had five touchdowns or so. So, Yeah,

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I don't know why you run the ball up the
middle three times again. I cannot disagree, cannot disagree. Jared
Ferrar says, can't coach scare Zach has to go. Okay,
we'll circle back to that. Jay says, you have to
try to improve your field position somehow. Three straight runs
isn't the way, Shannon Atkins, at least spread the field

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out if you're sat on running the ball in that situation.
Only having one wide receiver allowed Baltimore to put nine
guys in the box and a safety nearby. That is
an outstanding point right there, because you've gotta, yeah, spread
the field. Put Higgins on one side, put Chase on
the ailside. At least give them the thought that you
might take a shot instead of just bunching everybody up.
Because as soon as that happened, the ravensknew exactly what

(29:23):
was coming. Yeah, they knew exactly what was coming. Bred
Hoofs just simply says, amen, Marty, and I see where
you're coming from with that bread. I appreciate that. And again, yeah,
that's I see your thought. There also responses as well
too from Jump and Jojosa fat they were moving up
and down the field with the ease all day long.

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Zach was beyond conservative. Yeah, and again, as I said,
I can't it's not a cop out. I see both
sides of it. I do. After initially I was as
angry as anybody, But back can think about it a
little bit and maybe you can kind of see where

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Zach what was coming from. So I will say those
are some of the responses on that.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
That there are times to be smart, and I think
that what's the name of the Lions head coach San
Campbell Dan Campbell a couple of seasons ago, he was
if it was fourth and eighteen, fourth and one, he
was like, we're going forward, that's what we do.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
And he had to learn the hard way.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Sometimes you kick the field goal and you get off
the field and you live to play another set of downs.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Right.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
I think that right now, Zach Taylor, because here's the
thing the Bengals needed. They needed that game. They at
the end of the game should have been playing desperation football. Well,
there's nothing conservative to be had at this point of
the season, that point in the game. So I absolutely

(31:03):
understand the frustration there, and I think that I think
fans are right. I think the criticism he's getting makes
sense because this is the one time that we can't
we we need to be smart, but we need to
be almost reckless. We need to look reckless with the
other team. Should be scared of how we're gonna show

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up on the field. The Ravens weren't scared. They're there,
and because the play calling, and I mean even even
with Jamar and Jamar looked good for most of the game.
They were on the same page, Jamar and Joe, and
I think that the end of the game, I don't
know what happened there, but for the most part those

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two were like in sync. Higgins was finding his rhythm again,
and so I don't understand why Zach doesn't lean into
what the team is doing well on this day. That
would frustrate me as well.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Well, sure, sure, Well the point about where the season
is your entire season hung on that game yesterday. I'm
a firm believer in that now because of the way
he approaches things all the time, Zach Taylor. He I'm
guaranteeing you he didn't see it that way, or at
least he's not saying it publicly, because if you listen

(32:23):
to him after the game, Hey, I still think you know,
I still see bright things ahead for us. We're still
gonna get better, We're still gonna do this. Okay, that's fine,
but sometimes I think you have to be realistic and
understand too, to at least to tell your team, hey,
I understand, we know where we're at right now. Everything
kind of hinges on what happens here today because as
the way things play themselves out, and obviously you don't

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know how things are going to play themselves out the
rest of the day, but you had to think. You
had to think of think big picture here because if
you win that game, your two and three, the Ravens
are two and three. The Steelers lost earlier this morning,
so there're three and two. Suddenly you're a game out
yep with a division win, and they haven't won at

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home yet either, they're owing three at home. This is
supposed to be the jungle, supposed to be the players.
Teams don't want to come into and play, so all
of a sudden, now but now you're one and four,
you're old one in the division, still having one at home,
and you're facing now now you gotta go to New
York on Sunday night to face the Giants, and I mean,
who knows. I mean, somehow the Bengals are three and

(33:27):
a half point favorites. And again that's why it pay
zero attention to those those silly odds and how people
I just I just completely ignore those things, because are
you kidding me? The Bengals are three and a half
point favorites in that game. That's silly.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
So I mean the Giants, dude, But I'm.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I know, I know, I know. But my point in
all this is right now is simply you had to
understand what was hanging in the balance here and and
that mentality of oh, don't worry, everything's gonna be great.
Were we still got a lot of football ahead of us. Yeah,
you've got you've got no what one and four, You've
got twelve games ahead of you. If you have five
hundred those twelve games, that's seven, that's seven and ten

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that that ain't getting it done. That ain't getting it done.
So of these twelve games left, if you're going to
do the things you think you are capable of doing,
you're going to have to nine and three it.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Yeah, at the very least ten.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
And to it. And with that defense, you're not nine
and three in anything, right, A thing losing losing Dax Hill,
not that he is out there locking people down, but
that's a little bit of depth you lose. It's obvious
to me Von Bell has lost a step. I think
you can see that. That's pretty obviously. You saw it yesterday.

(34:38):
He's lost a step. And it was nerve wracking every
time the Ravens put the ball in Zye Flowers hands,
because that was just frightening, just frightening, because you know
he was just gonna run away from me.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
He's good, he's good.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Oh, he's very good. So that this is a Bengals defense,
a safety's room that now all of a sudden isn't
very good. Maybe it wasn't at all to start the season.
The one thing I will say defensively yesterday, well he's
still good to see bj hillback up front. I mean
he was. He was a factor on against the run

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game yesterday he really really was also up front. McKinley
Jackson I thought played well uprunt for Cincinnati. Miles Murphy
played well. Sam Hubbard may had maybe had the best
game he's had since maybe the Super Bowl year. I
mean Sam Hubbard was everywhere they lined him up a linebacker.
They had him moving inside on on third and short situations,

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came out of that huge tackle on the safety.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
What I do know he had a heck of a
game about having is when you're when your defensive line
is head and shoulders above the folks behind them, it
kind of becomes more of a liability than a benefit
to your team. And I say that as a Commander's
fan who last season I knew this very well. We

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had Jonathan Allen in the middle, crushing, crushing, get to
the quarterback. But guess what, our linebackers aren't fast enough
to get to where the receiver is in two point
one seconds. So the ball's out and now we're behind
because our safeties lackadaisical and so when when you have

(36:16):
that that imbalance, it actually becomes more of a liability
than a benefit to your team. And I think that
coaches don't acknowledge that. They're like, you know, we're gonna
win up front, but listen, you can this is the NFL.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
You could get beat behind all all day long.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
And I think that's what we're seeing with with the Bengals,
because the front line, the front seven, I'm not even
mad at they are pressuring the quarterback. It is uncomfortable
to play in front of them. And yet if you
if you outlast that as the quarterback, throw it right
over their head and nothing and no one's gonna stop

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you back there.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
Here's the thing that I think is becoming somewhat of
an unfortunate reality right now. And folks in Cleveland have
been saying this for the last couple of years, about
Nick Chubb and about Miles Garrett. You're wasting generational talent.
And now here's Cincinnati. Now. I mean, let's say Joe
Burrow is going to be a very good quarterback for

(37:18):
the next seven eight years, seven eight years, But but
you see how dangerous you are with number five on
one side of the field and number one on the
other side of the field, they are almost impossible to guard.
And that's a good Ravens defense. That is a good
Ravens defense. But those three guys did pretty much whatever
they wanted to do yesterday, which again kind of goes

(37:41):
back to that conservative thing we talked about a little
bit earlier. But they pretty much did whatever they wanted
to do. The running game showed signs. I think Chase Brown.
To me, Chase Brown is a step away from becoming
a very good NFL running back. Oh yeah, and he
is also a step away from a big play. How
many times yesterday at the last second he was tripped
up honestly nothing, but he's he's very good. I like

(38:02):
him a lot.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
He trains a little bit.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
If he trains in the offseason or something with like
a Austin Eckler, someone who shows him how to get
that extra wiggle, he's gonna be a east Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Here's my point though, is we will wrap up the
segment with this. You're starting to fall into that category
now where you're wasting generational talent. This window that Joe
Burrow has talked about it's open as long as I'm here. Okay, fine,
I get that, But you're not gonna have number five
next year to throw the football team. I mean, he's gone.
We know that he's gone. I don't If the Bengals

(38:35):
were smart, they'd resign him obviously and and Chase and
keep that that trio together. But they're not going to
do it. They're not going to do it. There's just
that just is just not just not going to happen.
And I don't know right now if I'm T Higgins,
if I if I want to come back. I mean,
obviously he's great playing with this quarterback because you know
he's gonna get you the ball. But at the same time,

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here you are kind of mired in the mud right now,
but you're wasting generational talent. And that's becoming more and
more and more apparent that here's where you are. I mean,
you mean to tell me that folks in Cleveland wouldn't
love to have number nine snapping the ball for them,
wouldn't love to have T Higgins on the outside, wouldn't
love to have I mean, I mean, you just hate you.

(39:21):
But the point is you got lucky with the draft
and this guy was available, Joe Burrow. When you were
at your bottom of the pile, you got this guy.
Your fortunes turned around in the snap of a finger.
You've been to a Super Bowl, you've been to an
AFC Championship game, and that's all sliding quickly away from
you right now. And it shouldn't be. It just shouldn't be.

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But it is because I don't know why, because I think, yeah,
but you can't. You've got to be smarter than that
you got, and I don't know that they are right now.
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Speaker 1 (40:01):
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Speaker 3 (40:14):
If we roll along here on this Monday afternoon over
reaction Monday, as we look back at what happened all
over the weekend a lot of college football. Ohio State
rolled to an easy win over Iowa on Saturday. Well
maybe easy, he's not the correct term. A somewhat. Oh

(40:34):
i was a good defensive team. I would put it
in the Was it impressive, Yeah, I think so, And
I mean I think it was pretty clear that even
what was it seven to nothing at the half or
something like that on Saturday, I think it was pretty
obvious the Ohio State had way more talent and if
if Jeremiah Smith continues to do these type of things,

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I mean that one handed.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Catch was just he said, he is just silly. He's
just silly. It's kind of wild watching.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Louise it is. Yeah, whoever Louise is. Yeah, I agree
with you. It's that's one of those things that's like
they always say somebody should do something about that. They well,
who's somebody anyway, I'll find a tangent there. Squirrel. That's
my wife would always like squirrel. That's whoever Louise is,

(41:28):
whoever louises. But but at any rate, Uh, the the
guys were impressive and as I said, I as a
good defensive team Iowa has. It was good to see
Luke Lache make some catches on Saturday. I was really
happy for the Lache family. I know it was. It
was kind of tough for Jim in some respects the
long time color rounds on the Ohio State Football Radio network.
If if you're not aware, his son Luke is Iowa

(41:49):
was starting tight end and I was very much tight
End University because they just keep chucking out tight ends.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
And Luke will be another one. He'll be playing on
Sundays next year. But I was gonna see a couple
of catches and I thought he played pretty well from
all indications on Sunday. So anyway, but congratulations. Also to
comment as we talk about our two fan polls, today
is the time to bench Deshaun Watson for the Browns
and where the Bengals too? Conservative? Al checks in two conservative,

(42:16):
don't have to go nuts with Burrow as the type
of day he was having, but give him a chance
to win it. Don't disagree there, and adds that benching
a D four Deshaun Watson is the only shot they
have of winning a game now. So I don't I don't.
I don't know if that's the only shot they have
of winning a game, does it increase their chances? I

(42:36):
don't know, because I don't know. We have enough of
a sample of Jameis Winston to know where they stand
right now. But and anyway, well, we'll dive into the
Browns next hour as we have roll on here all
right after the game yesterday, Joe Burrow addressed the medium,
answered questions concerning what happened on the field and his
thoughts on the play calling. Wait and yesterday's loss.

Speaker 7 (43:02):
He's reflect on the game.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
What did you when you reflected?

Speaker 6 (43:05):
What kind of jumped down the most?

Speaker 3 (43:08):
Mm?

Speaker 8 (43:08):
You know we had our opportunities, didn't take advantage of him.

Speaker 7 (43:15):
Uh, they made plays down the stretch.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Can you take us through the interception?

Speaker 7 (43:21):
Yeah, it was man to man u Jamal Slanton. Uh
took a shot.

Speaker 8 (43:32):
You know, I'm he made a really good play. I'm
not sure I would have made any any other decision
than that. Uh, credit to him, honestly.

Speaker 7 (43:41):
Almar took play for that.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
After the game, Joe, he cause the said he ran
a really crappy route. Your your thoughts on Jamarrow was
where you expected him to be when you let go
in the home.

Speaker 7 (43:52):
You know, Marlon, Marlon's a great player. Uh. You know
we made plays. They made plays. Uh, So that's that's
a credit to him.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
You know, he's he's a smart, savvy player, knows what
we're trying to do in that situation.

Speaker 7 (44:06):
And uh, uh played it perfect.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Oh the overtime. In the overtime that you you guys
recovered the fumble. Would you have like Tod had a
chance to throw a pass.

Speaker 7 (44:14):
Or two on the draft mm.

Speaker 8 (44:16):
I mean, as good as their rush is, you always
take a chance at getting sacked in that situation, we're
in field goal range. Uh, you know they made a
kick down the stretch and we didn't.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Exact Saif you checked out of the past he is
to cause that way, you'd.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
Think it was kind of make shure.

Speaker 7 (44:35):
It wasn't a good look for the one we I called.

Speaker 9 (44:38):
I know, you guys are executing at a high level
on offense and you're putting up the points week after week,
But when you're at one in four, do you feel
like at some point you guys need some sort of
change in your week tweek preparation to be able to
finish some of these.

Speaker 10 (44:51):
Games to get your season going.

Speaker 8 (44:53):
The way and eased have to make plays down the stretch.
We're playing really well on offense. You know, I don't
know what the what the league stats are, but we're
one and four.

Speaker 7 (45:05):
That's that's not where we wanna be.

Speaker 8 (45:09):
So obviously something has to change, you.

Speaker 7 (45:12):
Know, I'm I'm not sure what that is. On our end.

Speaker 8 (45:17):
We'll, uh, we'll do some critical thinking watch the tape
and see where we could have done better. There's plenty
to improve on. That's uh, that's no secret. So we'll
treat it just like any other week. Come back, get better.

Speaker 10 (45:31):
Well, I guess to that point, obviously, you can't play defense,
so do you.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Guys usitt offense?

Speaker 10 (45:36):
You get as the way that you're playing, you're gonna
have to keep scoring as many points as you are
to be able to give your guys a chance, yourself
a chance to win each game.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
We're gonna have to do more. We're gonna have to
do whatever it takes to win. And uh, you know,
so forth so far, three out of four games.

Speaker 7 (45:53):
We haven't done enough. So, uh, you know, I'll put
that on me.

Speaker 8 (45:58):
I'll put that on on us to to go and
finish finish it when we get our opportunities to.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I'll just stay a boys that go for a championship
level team to play with that little of a margin
to be able to play basically.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Better than we're not a championship level team right now.
We're not.

Speaker 8 (46:18):
You know, I like to think that, you know, we'll
come back and improve throughout the season to get to.

Speaker 7 (46:23):
That point, but right now we are not and we
have to get better.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
And that right there sums it up. When your quarterback
steps up and says something like that that I think
answers a lot of questions. We are not a championship
a little level team right now. We're just not. And
he's one hundred percent right because they're not. And the
question becomes, how do you figure out how to get
to that? Right now?

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Do you put any weight into what he said though
about you know, I'm not sure what on the offense
we need to do to get that done. Do you
think that was a dig at the defense?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I think it was thinly failed. I do, because he's
he's not going to be that guy. He's not going
to step out and call people out. He's he's just
not going to do it. I mean, that's just not
how he's built. He is a team first guy. But
I think you could sense in his comments there is

(47:18):
some frustration there right now. Yeah, there is some definite
frustration about the fact that he's having I mean, he's
just to use a term, kids us, he's bawling out
right now, and he's one and four. He's having as
good as season as he's maybe has had. He's healthy,
he's finally got even though he did have a couple

(47:39):
of breakdowns yesterday, and credit Amarus Mims are coming back
into the game yes as well too. He is playing.
He has probably his best offensive line that he has
had in his tenure in Cincinnati. I think that's a
fair statement to make right now. Those guys up front,
I think, I mean, Cordell Volson at left guard is
still it is probably the weak link of that group
right now. He got beat a couple of times by

(48:02):
Matta uk a couple who hasn't. I mean, that guy's
a disruptor across the front. But I think there is
some frustration there in the franchise. I think you can
hear it, and he's what else can he possibly do?
He threw five touchdown pass.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
And that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
I am he was thirty of thirty nine, the one
interception wasn't his fault, and his team still can't win.
I mean, would you be.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Frustrated more than more than one straight darn.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Straight All right, Well, we'll dive into the other end
of the state when we come back. I think it's
bad in Cincinnati. It's the press box box Sports nine
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Speaker 1 (49:15):
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Speaker 8 (49:37):
I mean, as good as their rush is, you always
take a chance at getting sacked in that situation. We're
in field goal range. You know, they made a kick
down the stretch and we didn't.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
And Joe Burrow something up what happened yesterday in Cincinnati.
Welcome back to the press box, Fox Sports nine eighty
W one eight. This is the press box. I'm Marty Bannis.
You're great to have you with us today. Kelly B's
producing the program, and you have us for another hour
here on Fox Sports nine. Ady w on any coming
up tomorrow on the program, our friend Dave Secuti will
visit with us. We talk so much football, We talk
so much baseball, high school football, college football. Oh yes,

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a college basketball season is rapidly approaching. Teams are practicing
right now as we speak, and a Day's going to
visit with us tomorrow. We'll talk about the ud Flyers
and some other things going on college basketball related. We
always enjoy our visits with our basketball and own'st our
good friend Dave Secuti. He'll be with us tomorrow and
we'll have some other things online for you and set
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Fox Sports nine eighty w on. He great to have
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Always good to stop down here and see those folks,
and we appreciate them being kind to and allow us
in and being very hospitable. We appreciate that as always.
All right, So it's a college football week. A lot

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going on Ohio State with an enormous game on Saturday night.
We'll find out I think a lot about the Buckeyes
and exactly they are when they travel out to Oregon
to face the Ducks at Austin Stadium on Saturday night.
That one should be a lot of fun about a
seven I think it's seven thirty kick. I think it
is Eastern time on Saturday. I love the scoreboard in Oregon.

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If you've ever seen pictures, I've ever seen a game there,
if you've had the fortune to do that, The scoreboard
a top the scoreboard, it says mighty Oregon, one size
as mighty, those lights of Oregon, Mighty Oregon.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
And we we'll find out, and we'll find out.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
There's no question they're gonna be playing the best team
they've seen all season long on Saturday night.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Kind of by leaps in and bounds though not.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Even close, not even close. And I think the challenge,
certainly for Ohio State will be as much as going
on the road at Michigan State was a different environment.
This is a completely different environment because the team you're
going up against, at least on paper right now, looks
like it can play with you. Michigan State obviously could.

(51:59):
I mean we all knew that going in, so you
just basically had to not make any mistakes, not game
by a hurt, go up by, just kind of punched
Sparty in the face, and go about your business. That's
what they did, did the same thing on Saturday. I
was a good football team, but you knew you don't
have to watch a lot of college football to know
when Ohio State walked on the field, and then I
walked in the field. Okay, this game's overferent level. You

(52:19):
can you can. You can just say I've related this
story a couple of times when I when I've talked
to people of the year Ohio State played Notre Dame
in the Fiesta Bowl would have been that was my
last year working the football game, so that i'd have
been the twenty sixteen Fiesta Bowl in Tempe Aaron Glendale

(52:40):
rather and Ohio State is basically toyed with Notre Dame
that day. I mean it was it was I think
it was forty one twenty one or something like that,
and it wasn't that close. That was the Ohio State
team that lost to Michigan State earlier in the year,
which caused him a shot at going back to back
for the National Championship. And I recall walking on the
field prior to the game doing my pregame stuff. As
I was, I would always go to both ends of

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the field, watch both teams warm up, do things, just
try to maybe catch something that maybe Paul or Jim
Paul Keels Jim Lasche may not have seen. And I
remember watching Notre Dame warm up, then walking down to
the Ohio State side and watching the Buckeyes warm up,
and the first thing that came to my mind on
the Ohio State side offield, I went varsity. I know,
Notre names sidefield, I went JV. Yeah, that's what it was.

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And that's the same thing you've seen so far for
Ohio State in these games. That's the varsity and they're
taking on the JV teams. That's what it is. And
but it'll be a little different on Saturday night. I
think the varsity they're gonna see, they're gonna see another all.
But I don't know that Oregon has not too many
teams I actually have the type of talent Ohio State
has right now. But they're still pretty good. And Jill

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and Gabriel quarterback will be the will be the best
quarterback the Buckeyes have faced, So it be it'd be
a very good test.

Speaker 5 (53:51):
It absolutely will.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
And I mean what we've learned in all of these
upsets over the weekend is that any giving Saturday day, Sunday, Friday, now,
any day that football's happening, anything can happen on that field.
And and honestly, I think with nil, the fact that
there's so many kind of like Tier two and three

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players that normally would have just waited their turn at
these other bigger colleges are going to smaller colleges to
kind of be the premier guy. I'm going to be
the guy at a smaller at a smaller place. I
think that is giving some of these smaller programs or
or programs that have not been historically successful a little

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bit more of a chance to be competitive. Sure with
these bigger programs, these Ohio States, these Michigan's Oregons, the Alabama.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
That yeah, exactly the other thing that came out of
this past weekend last year, Vanderbilt BT Alabama, Crimson Tyrn
or truckload of trouble. Getting back to the COLLEGEO ball player.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
It's done, it's over.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Tennessee loses, Tennessee loses Arkansas. You're done. You're get ready
to go to the Capitol One Bowl or whatever. Bullet
Now now you're still in this thing. I mean Alabama, Alabama,
they still have to play Tennessee in a couple of weeks.
I think they still I think they go to LSU
a little bit later on. I don't have their schedule
pulled up in front of me. Tennessee still has to

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play Oklahoma, or they already played Oklahoma. They have to play
They don't play Texas this year, Tennessee, I forget what anyway,
what they have left. But the point of the matter
is this is a year now where you can kind
of sustain one of those losses as long as you
don't stump stub your toe again. The rest of the
way out an eleven and one Alabama that let's say

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doesn't go to the SEC Championship game because of the
goofy tie breakers. Now that we're away from divisional play,
they're in. They're a wild card. They're in.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Tennessee still has uh they have Alabama left. They also
have Vanderbilt left and Georgia.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Okay, now see they're in trouble. Tennessee. They're in trouble
because they could lose either one of them they could
lose or both of these could.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Lose both of those. I mean, realistically, yeah, three losses
won't do it.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Two losses, it puts you on the fringe of being
an at large team. Three losses, forget about it. You're done.
You're not You're not getting in I.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Mean, Missouri was was feeling a little bit formidable for
a little while. Alabama cell has Missouri, but I don't
think that's gonna matter. LSU, Auburn, Oklahoma on on here
as well.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, and again that's why against Saturday night in Eugene
is big as well. Yep. If Ohio State somehow loses
that game, Okay, yes it's not a crushing blow, but
you can't stub your toe anymore. Yeah, because I mean,
a two loss Ohio State probably one of the best
teams in the country still, but do they get in

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that becomes a little the dynamic suddenly takes on an
entirely different feel.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
I think they. I think they.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
I think that even a two loss Ohio State, you
have to look at the rest.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
I mean, every their school is still.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Even unbeaten and unbeat I mean, and most of these
teams are not unbeaten. But an unbeaten MISSOO is not
better than a oh Hot, than a two loss Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
The other but the part of it is the other
thing that matters is who What's what's the other two?
If the other two is Michigan, sure, because Michigan is
not what Michigan's been that's obvious. We're seeing that right now.
If they somehow stub their toe on the last Saturday, November, uh,
that becomes something because of property. That makes things a
little different. So again that's why there are a lot

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of there's still a lot of a lot of parameters
and things that still kind of have to play themselves
out in all this. I want to give you a
quick update to college coaching wise. This is a name
that whenever a spot opens up, a position opens up
around the Midwest or a fringe Power five school, you
hear this name tossed about. Jason Kandell, the head coach

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at Toledo earlier today signed a four year contract extension.
So okay, not that that not that that well, not
that that takes him completely out of the mix of
all of these. It just means it becomes a tad
bit harder and teams at schools we really have to
pony up to get him. And credit to Toledo because
again their name has been mentioned in conference realignment. I mean,

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Mountain West has told the mac hey, we're gonna we're
gonna talk to them to see if there's any any interest.
So that's a pretty stable move for that football program.
And I mean I call games in the MAX, so
I have a pretty good handle. I think that's what's
going on. I think they're the best team in the
MAC right now. Toledo is. They've got a huge win
over Miami on Saturday thirty to twenty in a rematch

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of last year's conference championship game. So they are a
team that Toledo. I think they're probably the MAC favorite
right now. Ohio goes up there on the I think
it's the thirteenth of November. I think it is when
a Bobcats travel up there. So but yeah, but that's
the name again. As I said, you always hear his
name tossed out as being one of those up and

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coming moves. And that's an interesting move that he's signed
on with the UH with Toledo for another for a
contract extension. So a little bit of money right there.
Kevin Stefanski meeting with the media earlier today, kind of
reiterating his.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Move.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
His thoughts on Deshaun Watson did say when it talks
about the ownership role in the quarterback decision. This is
posted by Darryl Ryder, who covers the Browns for ninety
two three to the fans. I wouldn't get into all
the specifics. I think you guys know that we make
great decisions together. I've obviously talked to Andrew about everything
we do. We talk to ownership about everything we do.

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That's just how we operate, because that has been one
of the questions about Deshaun Watson. Who makes the call?
And as I said earlier, we're gonna take a break
and come back and talk about the Brown situation after this.
But as I said, uh, I communicated with Ken Carmen
in Cleveland and his reaction was that that's a big

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part of this right now, because who makes the decision
if you bench him? As I said, I don't think
Jimmy has them will allow that right now.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
But well, I mean Stefanski. My thing is Stefansky already
went out of his way. I mean, he was asked,
but he was like, we're we're keeping We're staying with DeShawn.
And it's like after I mean, even if that's how
you feel, I don't. I don't think any fan wanted
to hear that yesterday, and it happened immediately after the game,

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and I understand, I mean that's something that you could
be more coy about as a coach, even if internally
you're like, yeah, DeShawn, you're still our guy. But no,
but it's like, did you watch the game, Kevin, Like
were you there? It's for me, it was we we saw.
We saw DeShawn Watson look pedantic. He there was there
was no moment, And I'm here's the thing. I am

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not very high on the Commander's defense. I obviously the
offense is great, but I could spend fourteen hours straight
picking apart what I think is wrong with the Commander's defense.
Even still, so I there was there were moments where
I felt like I should have been scared of Deshaun Watson,
and it was just like, this is not.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
The guy from Houston. It's not He's not that guy.
I'm sorry. So I think that's that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Yeah. The only highlight that I have seen more than
Deshaun Watson walking off the field with his arms extended
at the twelve to fifteen mark of quarter number three
on the fourth and goal, where they had too many
men on the field and absolutely no one came over
to him and said anything to him. I mean no one.
The only hat that I've seen more is Ryan Rico

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bobbling the snap on the field goal ten y today,
I means like every time I look at a big
screen here at at the facility I'm at that's on. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Well, in the WNBA, to change the subject, the aces
are out and the Connecticut Sun forced the game.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Five championship basketball got I love it in October, all right,
when we come back, Well, we'll go more than the Browns.
We he got off of the little coage football tangent there,
but it was worth mentioning with some of the things
going on on this Monday, baseball underway in Cleveland. We'll
keep you updated there the press box Fox Sports nine
eighty WA.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
to three, seven by three, one six, one seven zero
the press box on Fox Sports nine eighty WN.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
And we continue back with you here on this Monday afternoon.
It is over reaction Monday, as we always do with
you here. Great to have you with us on this Monday.
As you look back at all the things that happened
from a busy, busy weekend, so many things to get
into from what happened yesterday on both ends of the
state in the National Football League Baseball playoffs are underway
this afternoon in Cleveland. Guardians and the Detroit Tigers are
at it today and that game's in the bottom of

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the first scoreless right now. As Cleveland the Guardians. How
impressive were they on Saturday? I mean, they just hammered
Detroit seven to nothing, and I think a lot of
people were worried about a week away from game action
didn't affect him at all. They put a five spot
on the board to the bottom of the first and
that was pretty much all she wrote and rolled to
the victory. But against US Detroit today, a little different

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animal in this one this afternoon, I think as they
have their handsful of one of baseball's best pitchers, a
guy who is probably going to be your Cy Young
Award winner in the American League. I don't know that
there's a whole lot of doubt about that. In Twerik
schoobl eighteen and four, a two point three nine er
run average this year, two hundred and twenty eight strikeouts

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in case you missed that, two hundred and twenty eight strikeouts, Yeah,
just a couple. So he'll be a hard one to
deal with. Guardians will only faced him once this season,
despite the fact they're in the same division. Only saw
schoobl once this year, so we'll keep an update on
that one. We move along the second game tonight in
the American League Division Series Kansas City and the Yankees

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first pitching. That one will be a little bit after
seven thirty tonight from Yankee Stadium in New York. The
city's so nice they named it twice New York, New York.
All right, we move on here, okay, yesterday. I see,
I'm a new I like going to New York. I've
always enjoyed visits there. A lot of people say that
they can't stand going there. I don't know. I like

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the people watch. That fascinates me and may not be
a better place on the globe than to do it
than there.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
I'll give you that. It's still pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
You see all kinds well, I mean, come on to me.
You cram. When you cram, what is it? Eight million
people into an island? Is Isa Gilligan's island? I mean,
I mean, what do you want two square block? You're
liable to have a smell or two in that situation,
and it may not be one that you care to remember.

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All right, Okay, now, now we've got to switch to
Cleveland now. And after what happened in Washington yesterday, the
number one I thought Washington would probably win the game.
They're just on a roll right now. And here's here's
a thing that that that I've kind of bounced back
and forth with. Uh. I've heard a lot of people

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say that the Browns quit yesterday, that they gave up,
that they that they just basically they basically random white
flag up in that game yesterday. Do you really believe
that professional athletes do that. Did they quit yesterday? I
I don't. Here's the thing, if you quit in an
NFL game, you're gonna get your head taken off by

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somebody exactly. You have to continue to play hard every down. Now,
you may be out of position, if you're getting beat
downfield on a long throw, you may not run one
to chase down the guy. But I don't. I think
mentally they checked out yesterday. I think when it got

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I mean it was twenty four to three early third quarter, sure,
but I think they probably mentally checked out of the game.
But I don't. I just I don't believe that players quit.
I mean a lot they just they just gave up. Yeah, yeah,
I don't. I don't know. I just I will say
I think they mentally checked out, and so that kind

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of gives the appearance of physically checking out of the
game because there's no question they just want we can
there's nothing we can do here. We're still gonna play
hard because, as I said, if you don't play hard
in an NFL game, somebody's gonna take you out. You're
going to get hurt. And there's there's a little bit
of value in staying healthy in this league. You know,
you make a lot of money, So that part of it.

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I but I don't think there's any question mentally they
were done.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Super gun and that's how you have twelve guys on
the field plays in a row exactly at the end
of the game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Yeah, that bring that brings the question, now, whose fault
is that? Is it? Are you tired of everything that
number four brings to the package right now? Is this
all on him? Is it? That? Is it that everything
that surrounds him right now? Is that the big issue?
Does as we've asked you, if you bench him, does

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that solve all the problems? Does it? Does it bring
a breath of fresh air, because I think this whole
thing with him, since he's been there, I think it's
been suffocating to the franchise. I do. I just I
just think because the questions, there's always something lingering in
the background. Is he healthy? Are we going to get

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another allegation, where's his mind? Did we spend way too
much money? There are just so many questions, it seemingly
every day that I just think. I just think they're
just this entire team and franchise is pretty much just suffocation.
Is suffocating with all of this. I think everybody is.

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If you listen again to the call in shows, you
listen to the reaction of the people who cover the team,
everybody's hired. They're done with this, they are done with
this fully. So that that poses the question number one,
if you if you move on from him, does that
make things immediately better? Does that solve all the because

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there are a lot of other issues right now. Everybody
says this defense is great. Okay, it is, it's good,
But I think the other part of the defense right now,
it's it's kind of the flip side of what happens
in Cincinnati. The offense knows they can't take a playoff
or in Cleveland, the defense knows it can't take a playoff.
If they make one mistake, if they give up fifteen points,
they're not gonna win. They're not gonna win. And that's

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been proven to this point. So I think that's the
flip side of it. But again, as I said, it
just seems to me as if this is such a
cloud and over this team and this franchise right now,
I just don't know how you get out from underneath
it right now.

Speaker 5 (01:08:57):
Yeah, you thought.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
I think that you're absolutely right. And I think that
the part of being a quarterback that we discount is
kind of that X factor.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
Your quarterback is.

Speaker 4 (01:09:08):
Supposed to give you hope that you can win the game.
They are the they're considered the face of the franchise
for a reason. They're the person you put on the flyers,
on the posters, on the tickets. If your if you're
the face of your franchise, is mired by controversy, that

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to the point where you don't even you don't want
to talk about any of the other things. When Joe
Burrow t change in hair color, that was something people
wanted to talk about. Why, because we're interested in Joe
as a person. Joe still gives us hope that we
can win when we get on the field. Deshaun Watson,
especially because of the price tag, had expectations that I mean,

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honestly and truly, he was never going to meet two
hundred and thirty million guaranteed. Do you know how good
you have to play to get guarantee money like that?
The next closest guy is Lamar Jackson with like one
hundred and seventy five million guaranteed, So fifty million guaranteed money.

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Guaranteed money is the money that matters. Like we talk
of these big numbers, they can move all of that
stuff around. The guaranteed money. That's what these players are
worth to organizations. Deshaun Watson is not worth two hundred
and thirty million guaranteed, period, point blank, even at his best,
because at his best, his team.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Was four and twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
So I just think that this team set themselves up,
this organization set themselves up for a insurmountable issue, and
then you then you tie in his off the field issues. Cloud.
This is this is a dark, dank tunnel. This is

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worse than a cloud.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
This is a whole.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
This is a it's it's it's a canyon. Uh. Nine
three seven five three one sixty one seven. I know
there's some Browns fans out there we would love to
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that's right, Kelly will find you, and you don't want
that to happen, so it's it's not it's not a
good thing. So but I would love to hear from
some of you, because I know there's some Browns fans
after listening to the program, and I know we talk
a lot, Kelly and I do. We kind of have
our opinions on things. We sometimes maybe don't give you
a chance. That we get responses from a lot of
you online, and I appreciate that and then kind of

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these days that's kind of the way we communicate these days,
which is fine. But I would just love to hear
from a couple of Browns fans if you're out there again.
Nine three seven five three one sixty one seventy is
our number. What do you think are you? I guess
is he the issue with all of this right now?
Deshaun Watson? And does benching him or moving on from

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him does it? Does it lift this dang feeling? I
think that surrounds this franchise right now because I think
the vast majority of fans feel that way, that they're
just so tired of this. I mean, I, as I said,
I have a sizeable group of friends who are all
Browns fans, and they're all done with this guy. They're

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just done with him. They can't take any more of this.
They hope he fails, so it falls apart. And if
you think about it, going back to even the Baker
Mayfield days when they were when I think it was
kind of obvious that Kevin Stefanski wanted to move on
from Baker Mayfield, what did they do? They left him
out there to just to try just a flounder. You

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had a flounder, and I think they're doing the same
thing here. They're just leaving him out there to hopefully
the problem will solve itself. Is I think is sometimes
you you you go down that direction, you don't want
to make a different move. You don't want to step forward.
You just let it solve itself. And maybe that's where
this is headed right now. I don't know, but it's
obvious to at least to me, it's obvious that nobody

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wants this guy. Nobody wants to play with this guy
right now. I think it's kind of obvious right.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
Now, and it's nobody wants to root for him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
I mean, I'm sure, like in the back of a
lot of Browns fans mind, And I mean just in general,
if you're like any sort of moral person, you're not
really rooting for this guy. You just I mean, beyond
the money and and like the whole package. No one
lives in a bubble, right So you're not producing on

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the field, you're being low key detrimental to the world
off the field. And then now you've sucked the life,
the energy out of this team. Joe Flacco had this
team purring. Even the Indianapolis Colts right now look like
they're having more fun playing football with Joe all old

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grandpa Joe Flacco playing football than anybody in all of Cleveland, anybody,
it's nobody. It's not fun watching them not be good
with the bill. Just in the back of your mind,
two hundred and thirty million, two hundred any throw, any run,
he makes two hundred and thirty million, two hundred and

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thirty million, and it's never making.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
Off the field right because we're paying him all this money.
We can't take him off the field right now. We've
got to keep playing him. And again, as I said,
I kind of think maybe in a roundabout sort of way,
maybe that's what they're doing right now, just leaving him
out there to flounder and the problem will solve itself.
I don't know if there's any I don't know that

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that's kind of what they're thinking, but it sure seems
that way. It's easy because it's obvious.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
To show management like this is the guy. Then to
tell tell.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Them like if you start Winston, they're gonna be like,
what are you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
What are you doing? But if you just like, look
at this guy, that's that's on the story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
You need you reach a point of no return where
you say, we can't go any further, we can't go
any further with this guy. We have to make a
change and we'll see. I mean, you think it's gonna
be any easier on them? In Philadelphia on Sunday with
the things they have to deal with off the field
in Philly. It's the pressbox Fox Sports nine eighty woe.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Get on the press box called Marty Now at nine
to three, seven by three, one, six, one, seven zero
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Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
America leg Baseball action of the Division Series. They are
in the bottom of the second in Cleveland and the
game is scoreless between the Tigers and the Cleveland Guardians
and the American League Division Series. Guardians up one game
to none after grabbing the opener over the weekend on Saturday,
seven and nothing. Welcome back to the pressbox Fox Sports
nine eighty Wolne Marty Brownerster with you, Kelly B. Producing
a program and you have us up until five o'clock

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this afternoon Tomorrow. Friend Dave Sakudi will be among our guests.
He'll be with us an hour number two. Believe it
or not, there is basketball talk about. Yes, the college
basketball season just around the corner a little less than
a month. Monday, November the fourth is when basketball starts.
So Dave will be with us and we'll get an
update on how things are going as the basketball preparation.
I would like to talk to Dave from a coaching standpoint,

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because Dave, obviously, if you don't know Dave's background, coached
at Ohio State, was head coach at Capitol for a
number of years, and has had a lengthy career coaching
and analyzing games. But here you are in the early
part of practice, and I think in a situation like
right now, a lot of teams will be playing exhibition
games coming up a little bit later on this preseason.
Dayton has one coming up. Ohio State does as well too.

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But I think it's interesting what you try to accomplish
right out of the shoot here in these first few
days of practice, as you start things out, whether or
not you there's a lot that has to get done
because you're gonna be playing games, as we said, right now,
a little bit less than a month. So it's an
interesting part of the schedule as well as we roll along,

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all right. Kevin Stefanski talked after the game yesterday about well,
just what happened to his football team, what he looks
ahead to possibly be doing at the quarterback position, and
just where the Browns go from. Well whatever yesterday was, what.

Speaker 6 (01:17:29):
Ill is this right this minute? That's what we'll that's
what we'll focus on. But have to play better, have
to coach better, all the above when you're playing a
good football team. And we didn't do that today, which
again disappointing, frustrating. But we'll stick together and we'll find
some solutions. But that I'll take any questions.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
What's the biggest thing issues?

Speaker 6 (01:17:50):
Yeah, hard to say. I mean, just have to play
better all areas, have to play better, coach better.

Speaker 10 (01:17:57):
Did you think about earlier?

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
Yeah, I'm always thinking about not putting him in harm's way.

Speaker 7 (01:18:05):
But could you consider a change before that?

Speaker 6 (01:18:08):
No? I mean yeah, obviously in that fourth quarter. You know,
we discussed given the struggles of the offense, how much.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (01:18:20):
Yeah, we're not changing quarterbacks. We need to play better.
I need to coach better. And that's really what it is.

Speaker 7 (01:18:28):
What happened, you know, the driving the second half?

Speaker 6 (01:18:32):
Yeah, obviously there are some miscommunity. We had a penalties
and some miscommunications which are completely on me. I'll take
responsibility for all of that. Uh, that's that looks like
losing football to me. I'll get it fixed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
You said you want to change the quarterback when you
look at what's happening while offense put today in overall,
how much would the futributa quarterback playing how much? Are
just the rest of the end.

Speaker 6 (01:18:53):
We need to play better as an offense. We need
to be able to move the ball in first and
second down, convert when we get the third down score
in the red zone. We're not doing that. We need
to play better as an offense. We need to coach
better as an offense.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
More.

Speaker 9 (01:19:06):
After the front cars, we second half and got down
to the second.

Speaker 6 (01:19:12):
To your line as you can do you just address that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
I mean, yeah, but yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
I get just going back. Had a penalty, then a miscommunication,
which is my responsibility.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Why did you show off the field?

Speaker 6 (01:19:31):
We had the wrong amount of people in the huddle
and then at that point we were just going.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
To kick the field goal, and then after several times
there were twelve men on the field, so east procedural.

Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
Yeah, it's it's it's really frustrating. Mary kay we uh
we are we will get that fixed. That's you know,
before you beat anybody, you gotta stop beating yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
Kept you think dam else.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
Yeah, obviously you know had a ton of respect for
him coming into this game. Uh, he made plays, He
was hard to tackle. We had free runners there and
we couldn't get him on the ground. He's just very athletic. Uh,
made good decisions, good throws.

Speaker 10 (01:20:11):
The secer of Loston zil Worth hamstring.

Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
Yeah, injury wise, like you mentioned, Poe will look at
at his knee. Denzel had a hamstring there in the game.
We'll we'll have to m r all those and see
what they are. What do you count that, Uh, you know,
bad result, I would say, certainly, but I wouldn't call
it bad effort. The guys are doing what they're we're

(01:20:39):
asking him to do. Uh. We got beat, That's what
it is. Got out coached, out played.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
What are the commanders the defense to kind of complicate.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
Yeah, obviously, Uh, you know, credit to them that they
they did a nice job keeping uh you know, certainly
rushing the passer. We didn't do a good enough job
protecting the quarterback. But we have we have to find
a way to stay on the football field as an offense.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Example of the reasons why you say we're not changing
quarterbacks that you can see that Shawn is kind of
Undersea's really rot.

Speaker 6 (01:21:10):
Yeah, we need to play better. This is not a
one person issue on offense. We we we have the guys,
we have the coaches. We will get it fixed.

Speaker 5 (01:21:19):
Like you guys want one assist captain.

Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
One last.

Speaker 6 (01:21:24):
Yeah, obviously, like you said, Mary Kay, you know, it
was an emphasis for us that that's a the quarterbacks
hard to get on the ground. We had free runners
a couple of times and we didn't get them on
the ground, and that's disappointing. Do you think the team
is still buying intocause you're trying to do a lot
of Yeah, I think we need to play better, Tony.

(01:21:46):
I really just feel like we have guys that are
preparing the right way. We got to put them in
position as coaches, and we have to play better. It's
it's as simple as that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Do you think the team is still buying into what
you're trying to do on offense? That's a very interesting
question there. I thought the last one there I was
Tony Grosi of the one of the thirteen hundred websites
that follow the Browns and covers the team. I think
he's also on eight to fifty ESPN in Cleveland as
well too during the week. But do you still think

(01:22:16):
the team is buying into what you're trying to do? Offensively,
that's the question what are you trying to do? And
I think a lot of that kind of again rotates
back to the Ken Dorsey part of this. Right now,
when we talked about in our fan pole, would you
bench Deshaun Watson right now, we threw up the option

(01:22:39):
of Ken Dorsey perhaps maybe making a move there, Maybe
it's is it obvious that this just isn't working offensively?
What he wants to do is he has the wrong
personnel to do what he wants to do. Remember, this
guy was coaching Josh Allen the last few years in Buffalo,
and I mean, they had the ability to move up

(01:23:00):
and down the field, but you had pretty good quarterback
to move and now you don't have a pretty good quarterback.
You have a Is it fair to say average?

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
He wishes he was average right now He's not even
playing average.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Not an insult to average.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
But he's playing poorly.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
The hope, I mean to sit back and continually hope
that the switch is going to flip and he's going
to become Deshaun Watson of twenty nineteen. You're fooling yourself.
That's done. That guy's gone. So don't you have to
reevaluate your offense and try to make it fit him
what he is now, the guy that you can't throw

(01:23:44):
the ball downfield, a guy that I mean, he's just
as I said, he's average at best right now. But
the other part of all of this is, I think
what we had talked about a couple of minutes ago,
I think everybody's just fed up. I think everybody's just
done it. Obviously, this just doesn't work for everybody. Now.

(01:24:05):
I think it's pretty. I think it's pretty to me.
And again, being on the outside looking in from what
are we three hundred miles south of Cleveland two and
a miles south of Cleveland from looking at it from
this standpoint, and we both could be one hundred percent
wrong on this, But just to me from the outside
looking up, it doesn't work. It's over. This is done.
You've got to find something that works now. And who

(01:24:26):
pulls the plug on this right now? I think it's
the direction you have to go.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
It's got to be someone with the authority to do so.
Someone's gonna's and that's a big question. Who is it
that has authority to do it exactly? And that's part
of what's not working right now. In Cleveland. No one
thinks the coach has full say in the roster right now, No, exactly,

(01:24:50):
that's an issue. The players also have heard that. The
players know that too, So that's the part we keep
brushing over. Energetically. Cleveland is done. The morale is in
the toilet.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
Wow, didn't you didn't think that that would happen right now?
I mean I thought there was this. I thought this
team was set up to go to make a nice
little run this year. Well, all right, four to forty
five is the time. We'll continue on about fifteen minutes
left in the program. We will update you on the
baseball and again tomorrow our friend Dave Secouti visits with
us that talks a little college basketball. It's the press

(01:25:26):
box Fox Sports nine eighty wa.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
to three, seven by three, one six, one seven zero
the press box on Fox Sports nine eighty w Ona and.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Her back with you on this Monday afternoon. It's the
press box Fox Sports nine eighty w o on a
almost forgot And this is why we have Kelly running
the program, because she remembers all the things that I forget, which, uh,
well that's you could put that in a well, there's
not enough room for any I think the things I
forget we're supposed to do on this program each and
every day. But we do have tickets to give away
to the performance on Saturday, December seventh of the Trans

(01:26:09):
Siberian Orchestra, one of the hallmarks of the holiday season,
like Mariah Carey, Trans Siberian Orchestra. You just think when
you hear them, you think Christmas, you think holiday season.
And we have a pair of tickets to give away,
so we're gonna do it very easily right now, First
caller nine three seven five, three one sixty one seventy

(01:26:29):
and a pair of tickets to see the Trans Siberian
Orchestra on Saturday, December the seventh, And they're at the
Nutter Center. Great facility, great place to go watch an
event and watch a concert. And if you are the
first caller, you win those tickets and you can go
see what they love to refer to as TSO. Is
that like bt O the Blackman Turner Over, Blackman Turner Overdrive,
This is different. Trans Siberian Orchestra, SO SAP show my

(01:26:51):
age right there, bto SO again nine three seven five three,
one sixty one seventy first caller. Those tickets are yours,
and Kelly will take all your information down heightweight, shoe size,
all the things she needs to get those tickets. They
will be digitally mailed to you, emailed to you, oh,
by the way, which is the way we do things
these days. So again, tickets to see Trans Siberian Orchestra,

(01:27:14):
and you have a chance to win those. Right now.
We have a couple of fan polls up for you
today and each have just a couple of minutes left.
I think one has gone final. We asked you today
we're the Bengals too conservative on offense in the overtime
after recovering Ravens fumble and plus territory, Seventy one percent
of you say yes, they should have at least taken
one shot downfield. Twenty three percent of you said it's
okay to rely on Evan McPherson to try and win

(01:27:34):
the game for you, because I mean, heck, he's done
that so many times in the past. Or four percent
of you say no, they were fine offensively, Sack would
have taken them out of range. The plays that they
ran were ones that should have generated enough. So that
pull question today also, we're asking you today as well too.
We've been focused on this here the last fifteen twenty

(01:27:56):
minutes or so. Would benching Deshaun Watson be a positive
move for the Cleve Browns. That pole has also gone
final sixty five percent off. You say yes, he is
obviously struggling right now quarterbacking the team. We had a
couple of responses to that poll as well too, the news.
I don't even care about the rest of the season.
Hope they lose the rest of their games. Now I
can fill my sundays with disc golf or golf and

(01:28:19):
be somewhat happier. So everybody tells me disc golf is
a lot of fun, and I've never I've never played.
I might have to try it. I know, regular golf
is regular golf, the usual golf. I guess I mean
that that's what I've always played, but I've never tried
disc golf. But I hear a lot of people say

(01:28:40):
it's a great deal of fun and I might have
to give it a shot, And Huga, I think it's
something I might have to try sometime. We should maybe
we should organize a station outing sometime, have a station tournament,
maybe a disc golf for some or outing or something.

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
So well, I don't want to lose that badly to
especially coworkers, so I'll be kimping that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:01):
You'll be skimming out with them. Also on the on
the Watson pool jump and Jojosephat says Watson can't see
wide open receivers and if he does, he's not even
close with his throws. He gave up and walked off
the field yesterday instead of calling a player the goal line.
The FANSKI wasn't happy, and I'm sure his teammates are frustrated.
I think those are a couple of very valid points.
Uh there as well too. So again, thanks to everyone
for participating in our polls. We'll have a couple more

(01:29:22):
questions up for you tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:29:24):
And congratulations to Paul calling from Dayton on winning our
first pair of tickets to tso uh and guess what,
we have tickets every single day this week, so every
single day, keep listening. You've got more chances, more chances, right,
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
See, that's that's that's why we're your radio friends. We're
your pals, we're your best buddies on radio. Kelly and
I we give away tickets, so you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:48):
You can't beat that as much as we can, and
we try to do more, but they keep trying to
hold us down.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
That's right, that's right. We would love to do so
many things for you, but yeah, we keep getting told
we can't do this or we can't do that, though,
We're gonna keep trying. Baseball Bottom of the Third Guardians
and Tigers are scoreless in the Bottom of the third.
College football. With all the shaking and moving around over
the weekend, the polls have obviously changed as well too.

(01:30:13):
As we head into this big next big week of
games coming up, Texas is the new number one in
both polls, followed by Ohio State Oregon. In the AP poll,
Penn State is for Georgia five, Miami six, Alabama seven,
Tennessee eight, ole Miss nine, and Clemson ten. In the
Coaches poll, it's Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, with Georgia at

(01:30:36):
number four, followed by Penn State, Miami, Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee,
LSU rounding out the top ten. They're really no great
surprise that Ohio State and Oregon elevated to two and
three With the Showdown coming up this Saturday, night out
in Eugene, Texas number one. They have Oklahoma this week.

(01:30:56):
By the way they do the Longhorns in the Red
rival Red River used to call it the Red River Shootout,
but they can't use shoot out anymore. So it's the
Red River rivalry between Texas and Oklahoma at the Cotton Bowl.
For years that was played during the week of the
Texas State Fair. And I can wonder why the game
is in Dallas and Texas is playing in it. It's

(01:31:16):
because Dallas is equal distance between Austin and Norman, if
you were ever wondering about that. That's why they play
it there. So but it's still that's again, Thank goodness,
that's another college football rivalry that survived. Texas and Oklahoma
did and Texas. Of course, we'll have to play Texas
A and M at the end of the season this
year too, now that they're both back in the same
conference in the SEC. Penn State's an interesting team right now.

(01:31:41):
Knocked off UCLA on Saturday twenty seven to eleven, I
believe was the final in that one. And here they
are at five and oh, James Franklin again, they are
the only team in college football in the last of
five years to start out five and oh in five
consecutive seasons. Bet you didn't know that, I didn't. And

(01:32:01):
here they are at five and zero right now, and
again you just you just wonder are they that good?
Because James Franklin has the ability to coach his team
out of games, and he's done it so many times before.
Get a real good test this week. They go to
USC this Saturday and play in Los Angeles against the

(01:32:22):
Trojans at the Coliseum, and then they get a pie week.
Then they go to Wisconsin, and then they come home
for Ohio State on the first Saturday in November, and
then they get Washington. So you're going to find out
in these next what is it, one, two, three, four
games just how good Penn State is because their final

(01:32:42):
three games are at Purdue, which is a very bad
football team at Minnesota, which, by the way, speak of
wat finishes. Did you see the end of that game
USC Minnesota on Saturday? Wow? Lincoln Riley none too happy
after the game, especially when a member of the media
asked one of his players if he thought that you
seahead or that Minnesota had scored. Lincoln Riley jumped all

(01:33:03):
over the press, which just shows you where his priorities are.
By that's bad. You should have asked asked a professional question. Well,
it was a professional question. And there's nothing wrong with
asking a player who a nineteen or twenty yearld kid.
There's nothing wrong with asking a player that question. There's
just not And but Lincoln Riley obviously was still salty
from the way that thing ended up. But anyway, but

(01:33:24):
then after that, they close up with Maryland Penn State
what we're referring to. So this four game stretch coming up,
you'll know, you'll find out what Penn State is in
these next four games. My guess is they split them
just a hunch, just a hunch, but we will see
where they go. So at any rate, but yeah, they

(01:33:45):
give them credit. They're five and oh and a lot
of people would love to be five and oh right now.
And but it's gonna be fun. And again I think
that's why, as I said, with the way things kind
of played out on Saturday, a lot of these teams
can survive a lot loss now with the expansion of
the playoff field. So that's a good thing I think

(01:34:05):
in that regard, because still you're going you're going to
get you're not going to have a Florida State situation
like we did last year with this year's expanded playoff.
Not that Florida State has to worry about that this
year because they don't. That's what a mess that is
down there in Tallahasset with that team just struggling big time.
So so there we have. That's what we have for

(01:34:27):
you today. All right, tomorrow's show again. We're with you
from three to five, and our friend Dave Secuti will
visit with us as you talk. A little college basketball
update you one the baseball before we roll out of here.
Right now again, Guardians and Tigers playing this afternoon in
the American League Division Series up in Cleveland at Progressive Field.
It is going to the fourth inning Tigers and Guardians

(01:34:49):
game as scoreless. Tigers have a couple of hits, the
Guardians have yet to get a hit off a two
week school right now in this one, so game two
of the series. Guardian, it's won the opener. Tonight, Royals
and Yankees play in Game two of that Division series,
with the Yankees up one game to none. There the
nationallygue gets the day off. Terry Francona introduced earlier today

(01:35:10):
as the manager of the Cincinnati Reds. I still just
cannot believe that that has happened. Finally finally got a
major league manager in and hopefully it's a sign of
good things to come.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
Can I just say I'm still shook, really just flabbergasted
that Jayde and Daniels and them. Not to bore on
Browns fans, but Jayde and Daniels didn't even play in
the fourth quarter yesterday, which.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
I mean, what, what's going on the new world. It's
I'm happy to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
And you should well again after years of suffering. You
deserve it at four and you got the Ravens this week, Jane,
So they become so they become an enormous football game.
All right. Thanks to Kelly B. Thanks to you for
being with us today. We're back to you tomorrow from
three to five. It's the press box, Fox Sports ninety
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