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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome, do Psychobabble dash me. I'm your host Daniel Bartley
along with Merrimar Weeks. Hi everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Today we're going to talk about suicide.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
But before we do, we want to put out a
disclaimer that this episode may be triggering for some and
is in no way meant to replace professional mental health
treatment or therapy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So, suicide is one of the leading causes of death
in the USA, right, which is you know, so sad
because it can be you know, preventable and with proper treatment.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
It says that it's the second leading cause of death
in people ages ten to fourteen and twenty five to
thirty four, and the third leading cause of death and
people ages fifteen to twenty four, and the fifth leading
cause of death in people thirty five to forty four.
Nearly two times as many deaths by suicide and by
a homicide a point of the CDC, And the most
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common method of suicide is firearms.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, And whenever I was reading this doing the research,
it says that women have more suicidal thoughts intents, but
men are the ones that carry it out the most
because they use a Firearmah.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
So we're going to talk about that how important it
is to take threats or gestures seriously.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
If you know someone who's you know.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Threatening suicide or superficial cuts or whatever, that that's a
that's a call for help.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, it is. And make sure that people are, you know,
locking up their guns, especially if somebody has has voiced
thoughts of suicide. Suicide hotline number will We'll probably say
this throughout the podcast. The US, you can down nine
to eight eight talk. Chat to talk is eight lifeline
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dot org chat dot. For veterans, they can call nine
to eight eight impress one. In Spanish, there's a one
eight hundred number. It's one eight eight six two eight
nine four five eight And obviously nine to one one
is your local emergency line and you can always, i
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mean just definitely call that, just get the person help
as soon as they voice suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And the thing that people don't realize is that suicide
impacts the survivors of the family or the friends so deeply.
Not only does it cause grief, but the stigma related
to someone in your family or a friend, especially family
members who commit suicide. It also increases psychiatric conditions and
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the survivors as well. It increases the rates of suicide
for generations in the family of the people suicide, and
so lots of times like I would see patients who'se
you know, brother, mother had all committed suicide.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I mean, it just it just trickles down.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, And that's why it's so important that you're asking
if you know family history of mental illness, because then
they'll be like, oh, my uncle committed suicide, my dad
committed suitside. So you got to take that into account
that that person's going to be more at risk, right exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I just want to read this quote that the World
Health Organization said, because I think it puts it pretty
very well. They say that suicide is of all the
modes of death, that which leads, in the hearts of
the survivors, the most poignant and the most enduring story.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, just think about the guilt and what if if
I had done this or if I'd seen this? Yeah,
got and and sometimes there are signs and said, there
are like warning signs, but sometimes there's not, right exactly,
So if you want to talk.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Of a warning, yeah, orse. So a lot of this
goes back to obviously.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Someone's going to commit suicide, you know they're already suffering
from some form of depression. Also want to just put
in there that people who abuse drugs and alcohol are
higher risk for attempted suicides.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
But so some of the signs are.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Withdrawal from friends, right, Yeah, talking about suicide, like saying
I'm going to kill myself. I wish I was dead,
I wish I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Here, suicidal gestures which just like we briefly touched on people,
you know, superficially cutting themselves, hoarding.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Pills, buying guns.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We have guns and buying large amounts of pills, extreme
mood swings, being preoccupied with death, dying or violence.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Right. And some of the symptoms of.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Depression, as I said, so sleeping too much or not enough,
eating more than usual or eating less, taking risks such
as driving to Yeah, of course I've had people tell
me sometimes I think about just driving into the wall.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Or over the bridge. So yeah, someone says that.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah. No, oftentimes they'll say goodbye to people, they'll oftentimes
can give away their property.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, get the affairs in order. Yeah, give any.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
More of those I just said. Given you said risky
behaviors like the driving.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, Also, so trouble concentrating or thinking what we call antedonia,
which is people say that they no longer enjoy anything
that they used to find joy in. People saying that
they feel hopeless or helpless.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, I think that's it, right, Yeah, I mean, besides.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
All the you know things you look for someone who's.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Depressed, Yeah, and some of the risk factors. Obviously, if
they've attempted before, they're going to be at higher risk
feeling hopeful, hopeless, worthless, lonely, life stressors. Sometimes a breakup,
financial problems, legal problems will prompt you know, people to
do it. You had mentioned substance abuse, aging.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
People, older people who have a higher rate of suicide
because they're alone, like everyone around them has died. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Medical issues is a big one too, like product pain disease.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
You know, if.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Patients are in pain and they can't do the things
that they used to like to do, so they almost
feel like their life's over.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Unemployment or money problems, people can't see a way out. Yeah,
an emotional trauma like you know, yeah, PTSD, things like that.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I mean, I know people.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Who you know, I used to treat they would say
it feels like I'm like in a black hole and
there's no way out, right, and so that's the only
thing they can see. And I remember I used to
tell some patients, especially mothers, the legacy that you're leaving
your kids like they aren't enough for you to.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Go on living.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Sometimes people are so far down that rabbit hole they
can't they can't even see that, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, they.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Talking about children and teens. So sometimes it's just like
a stressful event that happens to them, and it's something
that probably is very minor and small to us, but
it's huge for a child, like loss of friendship, conflict
with friends, history of sexual abuse, alcohol, being bullied at school,
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which we touched a lot on bully. We just did
one on bullying.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Also living in a community like sometimes I remember there
was a few years ago, like all these kids were
committing suicides.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yet the way out because all these people were doing it.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well, yeah, and now there's like TikTok challenges, there's danger
all those yeah, dangerous things. I I wanted to do this.
I talked to merymore about doing the suicidal one is
because it's becoming so much more prevalent. I got a
call that I'm not going to go into details about it,
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but a middle schooler that had killed themselves recently, but
really left no warning signs. So, like I said, there
might not be warning signs. And then also too, we
got to watch our kids social media and who they're
talking to. I have someone that I talked to recently
that her son was catfished and he thought that he
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was talking to a girl online, but here has ended
up being a guy. And what the guy did is
he put got his picture and then put explicit photos
and sent it to him and said, you've got to
start sending me gift cards or I'm gonna I'm gonna
give this out, you know what I mean, I'm gonna
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post it. Yeah, but it wasn't him. Yeah, So this
kid was finally told his mom and he was in
such distress, you know, and so she called the police
and they said that they had had five accounts of
this happening that week. So just think if that little
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that kid didn't you know what I'm saying, These are
things that lead to it that what country was it
just recently was it New Zealand or Australia that have
they have made it illegal for children under sixteen to
have social media, which.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I think is you know, because when we were growing up.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
We didn't have to worry about how many lights we
had or what comments people were saying.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I mean, he was on the other side exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, So they say.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Some of the prevention, as you're talking about with kids
and homes is to lock up any any medications you have,
do not do not keep, or if you have alcohol,
to lock it up. And if you have guns, also
lock them up and make sure you keep the bullets
separately from the gus.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, definitely, and always, like we said, you always have
to take.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Suicidal attempts or threatened seriously and get these people to
seek treatment.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And some more numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I think Daniel might have given these out, but I'll
give them out again is nine eight eight. And you
can call or text to these people. Is twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week, nine eight eight
lifeline dot org online to chat or one eight hundred
and two seveny three talk and the talk is eight
two five five. And always you know you can always
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call nine one one.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And the treatment is you know, getting people the therapy.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
They need, right, Yeah, therapy, whether it may be even medication,
maybe treating their addiction can help. Family support and education
just know that you're not alone. And oftentimes that crisis
that's happening is happening right then and there. But you
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know what I mean. So that's why open communication is
so important with friends, families, loved ones, coworkers, if you
like any you notice any risks or changes in people's behaviors, and.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Now especially so we're doing this, This is going to
come out right before Christmas, which is a really hard
time for people because not everyone has friends or families,
and so check on each other, check on your coworkers,
check on your neighbors. I mean they have like cy
little commercial now locally remembering with it to like a
little cartoon, a little runs across the street to a widow.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, to give her food.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I mean, check on each other. We're all in this together, right.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, and just even whenever you say Christmas also too,
like the winter months themselves a lot of darkness, Like
it gets dark at five o'clock and it's great and
there's no sun and if it does, know, then it
piles up and it's dirty on that, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Like, and it's not like we're.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Asking you to go, you know whatever, Just check on people.
Get a phone call to someone you know, who's alone
or who's who.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Yeah, it makes me so sad when my patients tell
me that they hate yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
And they're lonely.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But you know there there are support groups around.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So that's check online.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, and that's our job, you know, as providers, to teach,
you know, to teach patients and try to get them
hooked up with some support right.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right, So if you see anyone with any of these
warning signes, like we said, check on them. If they
are saying that they want to and their life or
they're feeling.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Hopeless, get them into some therapy, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And if it's like they have an intent and a plan,
get them to the hospital immediately.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So this is going to be our last podcast right until.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
After the holidays, yes, so we'll be back in February,
and until.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Then, take care
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The