Lists Chris: Signature attacks for certain teams 9-26-24

Lists Chris: Signature attacks for certain teams 9-26-24

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Who are the five greatest athletes of all time? Who's
the worst player to ever deliver an iconic sports moment?
Who's the least athletic looking athlete in history. It's time
to rank the best and the worst that sports has
to offer. Let's dive in to lists with Chris.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Here we go. We do it every week with my
good friends Chris Beckham and Craig Stevenson. Listen with Chris,
and this week I think we've got a good one.
It is timely because of guys. I was watching college
football last weekend, as I do every weekend, and the
big game USC versus Michigan. Michigan won the game. They
threw for thirty two yards and at the end the

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key play, they were down near to the goal line.
They had three tight ends, two running backs what we
call twenty three personnel ran it into the end zone.
They win the game. And then the announcers said, boy,
that's Michigan football, And I thought, you know what? That
is Michigan football. And so I got to thinking what
else is like a school or a team or an
individual known for this is their style of attack, or

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this is their offense, or this is their defense or
this is what you've got to combat if you know
you're going to play them. So that's this week's list
with Chris like, this is their signature attack. You'll catch on, Chris,
what you got for us?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Well, because I think the majority of these, by nature
of the list are probably going to be football. I
don't know that to be true, but so I'm going
to start off with baseball. And when they name it
after somebody, you know it is an adapted style. But
that's Whitey ball, the type of baseball employed by the
Saint Louis Cardinals under manager Whitey Herzog in the nineteen eighties.

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And basically it meant, you know, they in the nineteen
eighty two World Series when that term was coined, they
didn't have really a power hitter. Then a bunch of
guys who ran a lot of great runners and great teaching.
And that's kind of what Whitey ball is, you know,
having a lot of your butts, a lot of basics,
a lot of steels, kind of manufacturing runs like they

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might to say, and he said that he did it
because of the Uh. That was also the time of
the kinds of big, spacious stadiums in artificial surfaces that
you know, he thought he could take advantage of that.
So uh, and it worked. It worked for a long time.
I mean we had guys like, you know, Willie McGee
and it's Coleman and you know, guys who could really

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realize that makes it a lot easier for work.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
When they would play on grass though, Chris, like they'd
go to Chicago, they wouldn't cut the grass for a week,
you know, at Wrigley Field. So yeah, they were definitely
trying to combat that one style of play. I had that, Craig.
Did you have that one?

Speaker 4 (02:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:46):
For sure, Yeah I did too. I had that one too.
All right, Craig, what you got officially for your pick?

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Well, it's interesting you mentioned the Michigan the example that
led us into it, because like a lot of things
at Michigan, it was stolen from Ohio State. Three yards
and a cloud of dust nice, which was Woody Hayes's
philosophy in the nineteen fifties and sixties. Obviously, they ran, ran,
ran all the time, you know. Wood he has famously said,

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when you passed the ball, three things can happen, and
two of them are bad. But the three yards in
the cloud of dust. Think I never quite understood it,
because you run the ball three times for three yards,
that's not a first down, so it should be four
yards in a cloud of dust.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, you know, yeah, and were.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
In the third yards in a cloud of dust. Maybe,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
And nobody hardly went for it on fourth down back then, so.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yes, yeah you got if you're facing third and four,
you probably quit kicking. Yeah, there's a style of play exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
A quick kick. That's a style of play we got
to combat. I like it, all right, Well I'll go
with our I'll go with our third sport then, and
I'm gonna go basketball. The Chicago bull running the triangle offense,
you know that. Michael Jordan's like, oh man, I don't
run a triangle, just give me the ball. And eventually,

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you know, Phil Jackson and what Text Winters right, was
the offensive coordinator basically for the Chicago Bulls. They ran
that triangle, they became the best at it, and then,
like so many trends, everybody started doing like some variation
off of the triangle offense. And of course they won
multiple NBA championships with the Chicago Bulls triangle offense. So

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that's another one. All right, we're on the roll. Now
we've got three different sports, Chris, you can pick one
of those sports or go for a fourth.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
What you got, Well, I'm going to go to football
and staying football because it's I got to see this
one up closest. A lot of folks have. Now that's
the what's now called the air raid offense. And there's
been a lot of folks who have kind of developed
their own style of this. And I think you'll find
out in a lot of these And sometimes it's arguable

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who actually started it, but how Mummy is kind of
given credit, and Mike Lee to who of course worked
for how Mummy, it's kind of giving credit with being
the the innovator of the modern air raid at Iowa
Wesley and and then of course moving to Valdosta State
where we got to see it on a small scale,
and then Kentucky when people thought, well what if Kentucky
hearing a Division two guy? For see if new Voss's

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mind and they won some games, they win the conference
or anything, but the first round pick and all that.
And now, I mean, when you look at that coaching
tree that came from Mummy, that really leach Uh and all,
you know, the all the Lincoln Riley and and you
know all the guys who have come out of that.
It's pretty impressive. So it's it's definitely a very style

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of office, which I think a lot of people think
it's very complicated, and it's really the opposite is very simple.
It's just matters of you know, how the deepest lines
though what they're going to do. But uh, there certainly
kind of took people by storm. I guess back in
the nineties whenever they first got famous.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, they famously beat Alabama, right, Craig, were you in
school when they beat Alabama?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
No, I was out of school in Kentucky now that Yeah,
the first time Kentucky had beaten Alabama in seventy something years. Yeah,
I remember that though. For sure, what you got, Craig,
this one became those synonymous with this coach in this school.
That it was the name of the sec Story documentary,
and that is Arkansas forty minutes of Hell in basketball

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where they would give full court press for the entire
game and obviously if you had to play against them,
that's what you felt like. You were in hell for
forty minutes. And Melan Richardson originated it when he was
at Bowie High School in El Paso, but brought it
to the college game when he went to Tulsa first
and then to Arkansas and obviously won a lot of games,

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a lot of great defensive players.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Check out the voice of Nolan Richardson.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
And that's why forty minutes hell became so prevalent, because
that's what it was all about. We wanted to give
every t the same punishment.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Nolan Richardson, Boy, it was. It was novel at the
time where they were just they were pressing. Forty minutes
the entire game, they were pressing. And of course he
had some good players too, and he coached them up.
But I like it. Nolan Richardson, forty minutes a hell.
Clearly I had that one. You had that one, Chris, Yes,
oh yeah, yeah, forty minutes a hell. Yeah, that definitely.

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I'll go back to football here and a man who
passed away recently but certainly is famous for an NFL defense,
and that is Monte Kiffin with the fame Tampa two defense,
which was he was the first ever. Basically it's his
own defense. But you have to have a very athletic
middle linebacker who basically when it's a pass can drop back.

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It almost be like a third safety, so you got
three safeties instead of two. That's oversimplified, but that's the
Tampa two where your middle linebacker is able to drop
back and cover passes a little deeper down the field.
Money Kiffin and of course the father of Lank Giffon
and Chris Kiffin the inventor of the Tampa too.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
Yeah. And I think the other part of it is
that the linebacker is athletic enough that he can, but
the safeties don't have to give as much run support
so they can drop back and play deeper that too. Yeah,
it's all part of that.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
It's all part of that guy in the middle being
extremely athletic. Yep, all right, Chris, what you got we're
doing signature plays or attacks of teams in any sports.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Well, I was always attracted to the to the styles
where they say, you know, we try to this is
a good style if you're not as athletic as the
other team. That was usually the team I was on,
and that was the reason was because I was on
that team. But one of those that I and I
just love to watch it for so many years when
you got to. The big dance was the Princeton offense. Boy,

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the backdoor there's nothing pretty back Georg cut, I'm gonna
tell you, And that's beautiful to watch. And Princeton, you know,
with a bunch of spark guys in the geometry and
know all the angles, and they're beating much more athletic
teams and Pete Corell if it doesn't like football, I
mean a basketball coach. But man, that was pretty to watch.
And that was their deal, you know, the back door
cut to get kind of five guys all around the

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perimeter and the guy at the top of the key
and and you know, uh, just running that thing. I mean,
it's just great. And they won a lot of games
against teams who were you know, a lot better certainly,
and of course they just killed everybody in the IVY League.
But for every year, for so many years in the tournament,
the old guy faced Princeton boy, nobody wants to see
Princeton on Selection Sunday maxim against their team. That's gonna

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be a headache for three days.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
And then even if you're not Prinston, you can run
the Princeton offense. Yeah, exactly, Chris, what do you what
do you run if you've got a future NBA player
at point guard and Chris Beckham at center.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Uh, you run a lot of get out of the
way and let the point guard drive in. That's what
you run. Yeah, yeah, oh no.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
They ran the wheel with Chris Beckham and Charlie Ward
at Thomas Tennis Central High School. They're running the wheel.
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I had a lash back with wheel and one four
and that was it. Charlie's dad was our coach. They
didn't madical. We had Charlie. But if I go, what's
a going to run the wheel one four?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I just say, shut up, man, Well the one four
would be my answer. The wheel, Oh my goodness, we
ran that. To Chris, that is a that's brutal, man.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
The one four.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
At least y'all get out of the way and let
Charlie go score. That seems like a good plan. Yeah, yeah,
I'd go with the one four. Oh the wheel, My goodness, man,
my apologies. I didn't know. I want I didn't know
it was going to bring up a flashback to the
wheel and let's go basketball.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Key right there, you go, set that pick, start saying
start the wheel or wheel don't turn or.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
The wheel don't turn. Oh my goodness, this is awful.
All right, Greg, get us onto something else.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I mean, this never was the official designation. I don't
know that it ever showed up on any official literature.
But the best discribtion of the Nick Saban style at
Alabama was coined by Mark Ennis, who is now a
radio talk show host in Louisville. In two thousand and eight,
he referred to Alabama football as joyless murder ball. Perfect

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description of the way Alabama plays.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, the joys in winning, Craig.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Absolutely a lot of That's what Gene Staling said. The
fun is in the winning. Yeah, but yeah, just completely
ruthless domination of your opponent. Joyless murder ball.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Well that's such a good phrase. Joyless murder ball. That
doesn't appeal to you, you know, go play for Western
Kentucky if it does, you can.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Bill's brother.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Barrett, Barrett, Barret Jones, Barrett, don't you? Yeah? He said,
I remember the interview, said, Uh, I mean, I can
think of a thousand eights to describe my time in Alabama.
A fun eight one of those thousands.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Multi time national champion, Chris that was fun. Yeah, right,
oh man, all right, I'm gonna go back to football.
Just like the Monte Kiffin had the Tampa too that
he was famous for. Buddy Ryan had the forty six defense,
and forty six they named it that because that was
the jersey number of Doug Plank, a defensive player for

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the Bears. You know, a lot of people thought, oh,
they got like four linemen and six linebackers or something. No,
forty six was just Doug Plank's number, which was interesting.
Buddy Ryan came up with that. They won the Super
Bowl obviously what in eighty five? That great team they had,
and then Buddy Ryan got a lot of the credit,
much to the chagrin of Mike Ditka. I think. But
the forty six, which, by the way, guys, it's interesting

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because I never hear about the forty six anymore, But
I hear a lot about a Bear front, you know,
where you got like guys covering up the center in
both guards, which is different than the forty six, I
guess to some degree. But anyway, the forty six with
Buddy Ryan and Doug Plank.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, you don't like you hear you talking about that?
Cannot liken it. They carried Buddy Ryan off the field
after the Super Bowl, and I think that didn't help
their relationship in this for sure.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
It did not all right, Chris signature move or play
or set up for any sports team.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
What you got, this is a new side of you, Randy.
Two defenses you come up. I know you have more
of an offensive guy. I know, I know, well, well
I am an offensive guy. And there was a key
reason why this offense took hold in the NFL. And
again it's named after somebody. I'm talking about Air Coriel
sending your chargers, Don Cooreele, because you know, most in

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the seventies it was mostly a pro set formation, more
of a grinded out kind of style. But then the
mail blunt rule which took fake the nineteen seventy eight,
which meant defenders you couldn't make contact with receivers past
five of the arsenal line chemmage. Well, that really opened
things up, and Don Coyela said, well, we about airs
this thing out. He did. Man Charlie Joyner and John

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Jefferson looked God at the uniform. John Jeffson jerk killing low.
But anyway, of course they had fount front of the show.
But they threw it around better than anybody in that
time frame. And there's a lot uh you know, they
came after the end. The kind took bits and pieces,
but air Corio was the first one and they made
a fun on Sundays.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Former Florida quarterback West Chandler part of that bunch too. Yeah.
I liked him. Yeah, I didn't like Winslow, but I
did like all those other guys you mentioned for sure. Yeah,
Chuck Munty with the big glasses. I love the big glasses. Yep,
Al Greg.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
All right, I'm gonna go to football as well, but
I'm gonna go to high school football. And I'm not
even going to high school football. I'm gonna have to
fictitious high school football movie. I rewatched recently, The mPire
Bulls on six stacked Monster. They had to use the
six to two stack monster. Yeah, don't, uh won'tly You

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can't run on it. I don't know if you want to.
He only got one guy deep, so let's hope they
don't play action pass. That's all the right moves, right, Yes, absolutely, oh.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Six two stack Monster.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
You know, while we're talking about that, I watched that
movie again, you know, probably two weeks ago, the first
time I've seen it in years. Do you realize there
was only one football game portrayed in that entire movie,
like an hour and a half movie, and that Walnut
huts Kim is the only game they showed. They practiced
a couple of times, but not a whole lot of
football from football movie. Really weird.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I remember the marching band performance, but I don't know
about how much football. I like that movie. I like
that Tom Cruise before we knew who Tom Cruise was
more or less.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Yeah, absolutely, I'm go go back and watch that.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
But that's a good.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Yeah. Lee Thompson's girlfriend, Craig T. Nelson as the head coach. Yeah,
he portrayed all other pop Yeah, a couple other people.
You'd recognize that you've seen anyway he did.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
He betrayed us. Hell they cared about was getting a
college job.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Is also in the middle lineback.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
They ran the six two stacked monts or boy, I
wish I had thought that one. I did not have that.
I did not have that, but I would have loved
to have had it. All Right, I'm gonna go to baseball.
Go to baseball.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
We have.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It took a long time, but we eventually outlawed this,
and that is the Ted william shift. You know, everybody
started getting the shift later on when cyber metrics came in,
but originally it was the Ted william shift, and former
White Sox manager Jimmy Dikes is credited with the first
one to say, you know what, Ted Williams hits it

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to the right side of lot, let's put some more
guys over there. And so he did, and and not
everybody followed suit. But then like in the maybe early
two thousands, everybody started saying, hey, let's do this because
the cybermetrics tells us to. So the Ted Williams shift.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah. I think the Tampa Bay Rays and the Houston
Astros were the first one to start doing it, and
eventually everybody did it. Yeah. The thing about that too
with Williams is he wouldn't adapt and try to go
the other way. And whatever series it was where they
employed it, he went like one for fourteen or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, it worked.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Well. Look, I think you should be able to do it.
I mean, I know it's against the rules now, but
I think you should be able to put your defenders
wherever you want to put them, all right, Chris, what
have we got?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
All Right? So I'm gonna go with maybe Little Down
High School except for outside of the state of Arkansas,
Pulaski Academy.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
That's where I thought Craig was going that with that
last one.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yes, Kevin Kelly, the guy who doesn't punt, he's only
on side kick, throws about every down. I love it,
and you can argue you want to listen, he's studied
no books. He is not gonna plan it. He won
nine Arkansas state championships in eighteen years, and then he
went on to a coaching college of Presbyteria work out

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quite as well. But again, yeah, that's just the whole style,
the whole no punt thing, always on side kick at
every kick off. Again, how many sense?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Now?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I mean the guy was successful. Now I don't know, Okay,
the league he's played it, I don't okay, I athlete's got.
But if you call the tack the whole thing of
the old tech Kich is just kicking them off guard.
He's gonna do it every time. It seems like it's
gonna be a lot less successful, but he's got ans sake,
Kim as she brings down any south.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm not arguing with man, you didn't get one with
reward running the wheel?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
We did not.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Unfortunately, how about the wheel?

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Apparently he's back in high school in Arkansas, a place
called Sheridan High School, trying to look up what their
record was, but I haven't. I couldn't find any new information.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I bet it was good.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah, yeah, so I did see they won their first
game forty four to twenty. I haven't seen anything for since.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
There you go, all right, Greig, what you got?

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah? This is another NFL from the late seventies, early eighties,
and kind I guess probably inspired by air Cory Yale,
and that's the West Coast offense, Bill Walsh's brainschild, and
you know, adopted all over the NFL. And basically the
idea behind the West Coast offense was to get the
ball in the hands of everybody you could, so, in

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other words, throwing the ball to the running backs, a
tight end to the receivers, and all of that short
passes that would almost at times act as a running
game if you needed them. So you're not just you know,
back and handing them all off. You might as well
do like a you know, three yard pass to the pullback.
It's just as good as a dive player or whatever.
So obviously that became, you know, took over the NFL,

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and you know, still in use today in a love
place at the West Coast offense.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
All right, my next one is going to make some
people mad in this date. But when I say the
wishbone attack, people around the country will tell you, oh, yeah, Oklahoma,
the Oklahoma Sooners wishbone with those guys, you know, all
those fast guys. I was talking to somebody a couple
of weeks ago who said they were on the field
one time at a home game for Oklahoma back in

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those days in the seventies, and they said there was
such a crown on their field because once the quarterback
like got to the defensive end, they had four guys
running downhill at you running that wish park.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
I understand why people would take exception to that because
it was invented by a guy that was at Texas.
I understand that Emery Ballard come on, end up being
the head coach at Texas A and M and Mississippi State,
but offensive coordinator with with our guy Darryl Royal at
and you know.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
But Craig if I said, who ran the Wishbone. People
would tell you it's Oklahoma. They would, they would.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
I mean they stole it, but it's rid of it.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
But yeah, yes, yes, but Oklahoma the Wishbone and those
guys running Downhill. I love those guys.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I had it, and I had Texas slash Oklahoma slash
Alabama for all of them.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Oh Alamama famously ran it, that's for sure, and soided
a whole bunch of other people. But Oklahoma is what
most people are going to think of when they hear Wishbone.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
That was the thing about Bear Bryant was that he
was not really an innovator. He stole stuff and perfected it,
which is kind of what he did with the I take.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, no, I'm on that, no shrewd. Yeah, all right,
here we go. We are doing signature moves or strategies
or attacks, much like Michigan, who last week beat usc
with They scored the winning touchdown with three tight ends,
two running backs. They running it on fourth down the
announcer screen. That's Michigan football. He's right about that. That

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is Michigan football. They only threw for thirty two yards
the whole game, so other attacks of that are famous
and synonymous with a particular team.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
What you got, Chris, Yeah, well I'm gonna go with
my man, Paul west Head and the Weyl the Marymount
running gun back in the eighties. And man, I tell
you what it was. You know, this was just you
run a fast you can, you take the first shot
you get usually a three, and you play fool court
press on defense. You gotta be in shape to play
it that it works. Uh, you know, work in college.

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They be beat Michigan and the lead eight the year
when the mission was defending champion, and of course it's
some high scoring game. And then he got hired the pros,
and it's just it didn't quite work out the pros
because it's just a different style of play. They scored
a lot of points, but I know they gave up
a ton of They give one hundred and seven points
and a half to the Phoenix Suns. You know, yeah,

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the Nuggets were not known as a defensive you know,
great team. But anyway, but man a college, especially that
loyal and Marymount we all, you know hang gathered in
bow kemball and all that, and that's kind of a
famous offense. But it was, I mean, and the first
time I saw it live was covering Troy basketball because
they were in the same thing, and man, they'd run
you at the gym blow out.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, Chris, it's interesting that you bring that up because
earlier you said about the air raid offense. I can
remember being on the sideline with how Mummy and Mike
Leach and those guys, and how Mummy very famously saying
when his defense was on the field, stop them or
let him score. Stop them or a lettle score, but
do something that was the Paul Westhead style, like stop
him or let them score, either one, but let's get

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the ball back so we could go score.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah. A lot of those, A lot of those offenses
were referred to as basketball on grass as well.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
So a good point.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Well, the exact opposite of the Paul west Head run
and gun system is the North Carolina four corners, which
was actually invented by a height by the coach at
North Carolina Central, John McClendon. But Dean Smith, uh, you know,
perfected it obviously with the with the tar heels, and
you know, once they came up with shot clock, it

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got rid of the four corners. But for a while,
you know, it was all the rage.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Craig, that was gonna be my next one.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Last summer I was up in Chapel Hill and right there,
you know, just a couple of steps off campus, there's
a little like barring grill that's called the Four Corners. Now,
it doesn't have a whole lot of things on the
menu that are you know, like related to the Four Corners,
but the little napkins that you put your drink on
all have like a basketball diagram of you know, feel

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Ford at the top and everybody else in the corners.
So uh so they do have that. It's it's kind
of the most famous little place right off campus the
Four Corners.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
So they don't call it. They don't have these phil
Ford fries or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Well they did, Traig. None of the items are are numbered,
like you can't get like a like you go to
a Mexican restaurant, get a number eight with extra halpinos
or whatever, but you can't get a number twenty three.
So you know that's a obviously for Michael Jordan's number
twenty three. It's just basically like a it's like a
ground beef sandwich with coleslaw. But Anyway, that's a that's

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a number twenty three if you want it at four
Corners restaurant right in downtown.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Beef sandwich with Colaw.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Chile e, Coleslaw mustard and onions. Yeah, I said what
I said. Yes, they've got a Carolina Burger and they've
got a number twenty three. But other than that, it's
just basically you know, nachos, you know, it's just like
regular stuff. So anyway, yeah, four Corners, I.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Like it all right.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Next up, I'm going to go basketball as well. This
happened in the NBA the Houston Rockers Rockets with the
Twin Towers. It was something completely different when they got
Elijah Won and added Ralph Sampson. With those two big guys,
I mean, Lajawan in reality was probably like six ' ten,
but you know, Ralph Sampson was like seven to four
or something. But to have two guys who were like

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sinners was just a really big deal, Like, oh my gosh,
how are we going to combat this now? Today you've
got like shooting guards that are six to ten. But
the Twin Towers of the old Houston Rockets is the
next on my list, right, Chris, what you.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Got Yeah, I found drawn to these styles that include
the name of the person who perfected them. And we
were talking about this flight up an offense. So that's
all what Marty Schottenheimer was all about. And so he
got he started his own called Marty Ball, which was
run the ball, short pass the game, the turnovers, aggressive defense.

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It's kind of in the size for being kind of bland,
but it was Marty Ball, that's what they called it.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
And he won.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
He won a lot of division titles that he never
got to the Super Bowl, went to the AFC Championship game.
Uh three times, I think with the with the Chiefs.
But yeah, just basically run dynamite.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
That's basically.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
That's what they call effective.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
It's effective.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Effective, that's right, Greg.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
Uh, this is baseball and it doesn't really have a
specific name, but it was definitely what they did the
Baltimore Orioles of the Earl Weaver era. Kitching defense and
three run homers and uh, he didn't bunt, didn't steal bases. Uh,
just sit back and get guys on base and wait
for somebody to hit a home run. And that's what
they did, and they want a lot of games doing.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
It, didn't They Craig. Am I wrong about this? Aren't
they the ones that popularized the five man rotation? Am
I wrong about that?

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah? It was no. I thought we were only kept
poor because he said it was easier to find four
than was to find five. The Dodgers, I believe, were
the ones who created the five men, right.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
That may be right, That may be right. Yeah, all right,
I'm gonna go back to football. Look, you guys might
not know the difference between air coriel or the air
raid offense or whatever, but you would know the difference
if you were watching the offense of mouse Davis in
the run and shoot. Now, that offense you had to
completely prepare differently for that because they spread the field

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all the way from one side line to the other,
and the quarterback would take the ball under center and
then usually do like a little half roll and then
throw a short pass. You knew you were watching the
run and shoot when you were watching the run and shoot,
And wherever mouse Davis was the Houston Gamblers, or wherever
he was coaching Mouse Davis in the running shoot, you
knew you were watching his offense.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Portland, Portland's Portland State Neil Lomax.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Was Portland State then eventually made it to the pros
with the Houston Gamblers, and it was good. I mean
he was six. That's well. You can't complain about that.
He was successful, all right, Chris, what else.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
You got, buddy, Ryan, funnybody, he'll punch Kevin gil right
over on the sideline. Yeah, well, I don't know this
is necessarily a style, but it's it's a fantastic name
for a defense. It's the name and has been for
many years of my fantasy team, and it's a favorite

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of your show and a favorite of mine. The Jerry
Glensville Grits blitz. Well, if you're a Falcon with the
grit blitz, man, I'm telling you it was just and
they had a great defense. This is the seventy seven
Falcons and he was defense assistant. It was a great defense.
I don't know they blitzed that much more anybody else,
but the rhymes with grits. That's where everybody said, you
know so uh so, just for that, uh and I

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think the next year they probably were the worst events
in the league. Falcon success that the last too long
as we all know, But just for the name and
Jay Glanviield like the clip.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I actually did think about that one. The gritz Blitz.
I thought about that was like, well, how am I
going to describe what that was? But there you go.
You did a good job, Craig.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
What you got.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
This is related somewhat and it was created to combat
the West Coast offense, and that is the zone Blitz,
which was Dick Laboe the Bengals. Seed actually invented by
Bill Lawrensberger with the with the Dolphins, but kind of
popularized by Dick Laboe with the Bengals in the late eighties,

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Dom Capers with the Steelers, later with Carolina Panthers. You know,
they just couldn't figure out how to beat the forty
nine Ers are going there dump it off passes to
Tom Rathman and Roger Craig all day. So they started
dropping defensive linemen back and coverage and brushing linebackers and
it worked pretty well.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm going to go for our first individual. I'm gonna
go John McEnroe and the serve and volley. Now, look,
other people have served in volley since the beginning of time,
but McEnroe was the first one. Like, I'm gonna serve
and valley on the first serve. I'm gonna serve and
Valley on the second serve, and I'm gonna pressure you
on every single point and see how many passing shots
you can hit in the match. So John McEnroe serving

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Vali it's not a creative name, but him doing it
every single point. And then other people like Boris Becker
came along Stefan a Berg who did it every point.
But he was really kind of different that he said,
I don't care when i'm serving, I'm vollying. So John McEnroe,
our first individual guy in the category. You got something else,
Chris real quick.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
I was got to mention growing up, it was so cool.
They weren't the first to do it. The man who
rogers stawed back, jumped back in that shot gun offense.
It looked cool started the helmet didn't look bad. That
made it cooler. But uh, and there were you know,
other teams that did it somewhat kind of before that.
But uh, but the Cowboys, they did a lot of things,
popularized it. And Tom Langer is giving credit for inventing it.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
I don't think he ever denied it a well, and
I don't know that it was hard to combat, but
them raising up and then getting down in their stance.
It was like the coolest thing ever, Like, I think
we could combat it, but it still just looked cool.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Wasn't that too? I was trying to remember what that was.
So the quarterback there, for some reason they did that,
the raised up and back down deal something to to
the quarterback can see the defense better or something. I
thought there was there was some rationale to it. But
all right, I got so is this our last round?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
If you wanted to be sure?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Okay, well I got a couple then one two college football,
one college basketball, one USC football in the sixties and
seventies student body, right, great mckayat where they would just
get in the I formation and pitch the ball to
Charles White or Marcus Allen or O. J. Simpson or
Anthony Davis and you know, run running around the ball.

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Uh the Steve Ferrier punt and gun at Florida. Of course,
you got to say that. We all know that at
the end of the the SEC was very much a
student body right league until Sprayer came along. Yeah, upset
the whole apple cart. And the last one is college
basketball actually not invented by John Wooden, but invented by
Press Marivich of all people, father of Pete and coach

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at NC State at the time, and that the u
c L A high post offense, which you know, obviously
you had a you had a big athletics center like
Kareem or Lououse Center at the time, or Bill Walton,
who could pass, shoot and defend. It made you pretty formidable.
And they ran the u c L A high post
pretty quickly.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
They realized that that was not as effective as the
wheel that Christ was running at Thomas County Center with
Charlie Ward.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
So are the old picket fence the wheel run correctly?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Oh no, no, Well we didn't know how to run
it at Chelsea because we ran the wheel and it
was like, well, this is never gonna work. This is awful.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
You're saying it was not one of those things you
could know what was coming.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
And he's still getting oh no, no, no, it definitely
was not. No dribble it pass half for the way,
Here comes the wheel.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Don't call it out picking the wrong guy. He's supposed
to be over here.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
All right, I got one last one here that this
is a I don't know if it fits the category
or not, because they don't do it all the time,
but you definitely know what's coming when you play the Eagles.
The tush push, that's a you know, I don't know
how you combat it, but they don't do it all
the time, so it doesn't quite fit the category as well,
but still you know you've got to combat it when
you play against those guys.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
None of these as good as the Michigan Wolverines lining
up with three tight ends and two running backs like
they did last week to beat usc That's Michigan football.
But anyway, that is the category. Guys, what's you got
something better than that for the winner? I mean there
are some a lot of good ones.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Signature they stole it from Ohio State, but yeah, I
don't know the uh the Princeton offense is good.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
The prison offense, let's do that. Let's do Priston offense,
which can be run by somebody other than Princeton. Let's
do that one. Right there you go. That's Chris Beckham,
that's Craig Stevenson lists with Chris. We do it every
week here on Sports Talk ninety nine five.