September 3, 2025 • 48 mins
Fitness professional Carrie O'Rourke joins Rich to discuss how her golf fitness program took off, and helped golfers in their 40s revitalize their game. Plus, she explains how PGA professionals can better incorporate fitness at their establishments.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the rich Comwallgosh Show. It is a well it's August,
but it feels like a fall day in western Pennsylvania
and West Virginia. We are joined this week as I promised,
I'd get into some very interesting guests because a couple
of weeks, you guys had to listen to me talk
for a long time. This week is is Carrie O'Rourke.
(00:26):
Carrie is has a really kind of actually is a
very very highly qualified fitness professional and has a has
a really really really interesting and correct and dynamic take
on fitness and golf and and things like that. And
we'll get into all that as we go, but first
(00:47):
I wanted to say, Carrie, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
My pleasure. And it is a fall day in Detroit
as well today.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Ah, so what part of Detroit are you in.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm in Oakland County, Detroit by Oakland Hills Golf Course,
which is probably most familiar to your audience.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, yes, Oakland Hills. See Hogan won the US Open
there in nineteen fifty one, still considered to be the
hardest US Open setup in history, shut sixty seven in
the third round. That's when they played thirty six holes.
So see now you have useless information.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
To I was impressed by it that you could pull
out that stair.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeahly in nineteen fifty one and one forty eight fifty
to fifty one and fifty three lost in a playoff
in nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, we also just had the live tournament here over
the weekend as well. Did you go, brught br I
did not go, but I did watch some of it
and definitely brought high energy golf to the area.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I will tell you this, I've been, I've worked a
couple of them, Carrie. I'm telling you right now, you
if you have a chance, if they come back, and
I don't know if they will or not, but if
they can, you have to go. It is the most
it is the you're talking about high energy. I mean,
it's it's nothing compared to it. There's no golf torm
that compares to it. None, none. I mean, it's just
(02:05):
it's it's a phenomenal environment. As a matter of fact
that I'm surprised the PGA Tour hasn't taken a page
from them, because I'm not saying the music and all
that stuff, but I'm just saying, just like the connection.
It's like you're there, they're there for the fans and
not the other way around. It's kind of really.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, that makes it exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It's really neat. It's really neat. Okay, So now we're
gonna not talk about mister Hogan at Oakland Hills in
nineteen fifty one anymore or live golf. But so before
we get started into into like your your everyday activity
with all this, why don't you tell us about your
your early years. And I realized we're going to kind
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of transition through your education and things like that, but
go ahead and start, like, how you like, what was
your earliest connection to golf? Let's do that first.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh gosh, my earliest connection to golf was I would
say my teenage years. My mom was derman to make
my brother and I country club children, not coming from
that background herself, but providing a different life for her
children than she experienced, and dropping my brother and I
off to the golf course back in the day where
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you could leave your kids all day on the golf
course and nobody cares, and learning how to golf in
my I would say middle school, teenage years with my
brother on the golf course and Now what's fun is
my younger cousins are at that same golf course doing
junior golf as well.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's neat. So did you did you? Did you become
pretty good or did you just kind of tell me
how good you got?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh? I back at that time. I think that at
that time it was not as popular amongst the female
girl golfers. So I played. I had soun you know,
it dropped off my wife when I went to college
and then graduate from college and getting into the dating world.
My husband was a golfer, so I got back into
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that into it, then joined golf leagues, had children, didn't
golf as much. Just like the regular progression that I
hear from my golfers, they get to their careers and
their families, and sometimes that falled off the wayside. And
then my children ended up becoming high level golfers, and
I segued back into the golf world myself, but then
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also into a career in golf because we do anything
to help our children, right, And that's where I ended
up landing. And here we are now, all.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Right, So, okay, so you were a college University of Cincinnati, correct, Yes, yeah,
So you're you're like a bearcat throw and through. Right,
So I'm well, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It's very exciting with a dealer swift hitting engaged to
a bear cat.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yes, my god. Okay, so all right, I'll go to
tell you right now. I never ever ever really thought this.
We were going to have to not have to, but
we were going to talk talk about that today. But
that is true. He is a he is a university
says today bearcat. But he is nowhere near as famous
as like your basketball player Oscar Robertson, Like nowhere near it.
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I mean, let's just let's just get really let's just
get really clear, like Oscar Robertson might be the best
basketball player ever to live. Travis Kelsey really good football player,
but not there yet, but he does have a more
famous girlfriend and or wife to be than Oscar Robertson did.
So yeah. So so what did you study at UC
because this is interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh okay, well, I studied civil engineering. I was actually
a construction engineer in a previous life, and like many people,
we have different transitions throughout our careers over the years. Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So so you're like really smart. It's okay to say it.
It's all right, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
My mom sometimes believes I'm wasting my smart talents, of course,
but nobody understands how difficult it is to run a business,
even if it's a gulf.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So so okay, it's okay to be really smart. That's okay,
that's good. So all right. So so you you know,
obviously you were you're a construction engineer, and you do
all those nifty things, and then, as you said before,
you you have kids and and and they get into
how many how many kids did you have that that
were actively in golf.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I have two sons, both college golfers, one currently graduated
and the other one I just dropped off yesterday for
a third year of college golf. Where Hillsdale College. Yeah, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, sure, So I've been to. Let's see, I've been to.
I've been Adrian College in Michigan. I've been. I'm going
to go speak to the professional golf Management program at
Farris State in November.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So I'm a little I'm a program.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I'm a little. I'm a little familiar with with Michigan,
not much. My brother lived in Brighton for a while,
so I'm a little familiar with with Michigan. So where
did your other son play.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
He played at Wayne State, which is the great public university.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yes, yes, so all right, So as you mentioned before,
you know, you're an engineer or smart engineer and all
that stuff. And you know, my brother that lived in
Brighton is an is an engineer too, but he's so
smart he's stupid. So he's really smart, but he doesn't
have that common sense thing. And you know, I'm allowed
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to say that on the radio because he'll you know,
he can't refute it. So you decide at some point
to start to transition your career away from this engineering thing, right, yes,
all right, So tell me how how that came about.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Sure, I would say, like many other women, I had
a family, had children, stopped working to raise my children.
I'm very grateful and lucky that i had that opportunity.
But at a certain point it was time for me
to get back into the working world from my own
peace of mind and to be like myself again. And
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going back to full time fifty sixty hours a week
of engineering was not what I wanted to do. So
I started personal training and did that for many years.
I would get up at the crack of dawn, go train,
a few clients, come home, take my children to school,
go back. But it worked for my lifestyle, and, as
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I mentioned earlier, as my kids started getting older and
into golf. At one point I took my son, he
was about sixteen, to a lesson at Oakland Hills, actually
a local pro there and I was watching and at
one point the pro turned to me and said, hey, mom,
I heard you're a personal trainer. Max is just way
too stiff. He's not flexible. I need you to fix
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that for him. And in that moment, despite the fact
that I had been a professional fitness trainer for over
five ten years, at that point, I had no idea
what I needed to do physically to fix his golf swing.
Like that was foreign territory to me. And that's what
inspired me to become certified as a Titleist Performance Institute
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Golf Fitness Professional so that I could, in that moment,
help my son be better at golf. And then it
just segued from there and I realized that there is
an entire market and group of golfers who do not
know how to get flexible and fit for golf, even
if you are already working out that the golf athleticism
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is so much different than any other sport out there,
and core golf fitness was born from there.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah. So it's funny because you said that before. You know,
we do anything for our children. That's funny. So all right,
So the Titlist Performance Institute, so talk to me about
what they talk to me about what that training consists of.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Sure, well, Titles Performance Institute is the world's largest organization
that's studying the science behind the golf wing. So that
ties into my engineering training. I'm very fascinated by physics
and what's happening behind the scenes structurally and that training.
As far as the fitness side, they do certify swinging instructors,
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golf fitness professionals and also medical professionals all on how
to treat our golfers the best way, and we all
have a little different path within TPI depending on our
specialty and golf fitness wise, it was actually a very
challenging training. So I've been through multiple certifications, let's say
for general fitness, and those are fairly easy, I'll be honest,
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but the golf fitness was hard. I had to study
for it. It was fun because my kids were involved.
They were interested in the different things I was learning,
but it really dialed into the specific movements that are
required in our bodies for golf, and very likely how
it came to rotation, because golf is really one of
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the only sports where we're really rotating at a fast
speed from a stationary point where we need finesse and
power at the same time. Because the harder you try
and the stronger you are, sometimes the more difficult it is.
So taking a step back and looking at your mobility
first is what they preach. So look at mobility first,
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and then we build speed and power and strength on
top of that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So did you did you ever I mean, this is
like the question of faith in yourself, But did you
ever think that you you couldn't you couldn't achieve your
certification with TPI?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh no, silly, Okay, I like that.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
But I do feel like it's relevant that it's not
an easy training so that you can have trust in
your TPI experts.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So So okay, so once you get through,
now obviously you have you have at least two clients
in your own house, right, but how do you get
into how do you get, how do you start to
expand that? How do you do you mean from yeah, like,
how do you yeah? How do you how do you
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start to expand your business aspect of this?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's a great question. At the time, I was who
I would say, not struggling. It was struggling in the
sense of the calendar that I was running around town
in my local country club's Oakland Hills included Bloomfield Country Club,
all the different clubs in my area, going place to place,
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finding clients that I could work with. And that's a
challenging format and challenging lifestyle because there's only so many
clients in one spot when you're in such a specific
niche and then COVID happened, and like many other professionals
in all sorts of different in different areas, we had
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to quickly change and pivot in our businesses. And it
was at that time that I crossed my mind that
this could be an online business. And that was out
of necessity for one, but two out of myself thinking
what do I want for my life in my business?
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So I've been running around, I've been using this fitness certification.
I'm successful at it, but I can only reach so
many people in a day. If I'm physically going from
place to place, and then somebody has had done its
appointment and they can't make their appointment and they miss
out on that workout that week. So all those factors
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coming together, I thought, is it possible to take what
I've created in the gym in person settings and put
it into a platform that one can be accessible to
more people worldwide, that I can help you faster and
you know, at a better investment rate versus hiring a
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one on one personal trainer and still get those same
results in this new technology world. For those of us
that are forty five, fifty and older, this is new
to us, and I did it, and I tried it,
and it's three years now since I started in this format,
and I could never have predicted where this would go.
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And really the amount of people that I can help,
that I can change lives, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Really, Yeah, that's that's really, that's really neat because every
so often we talk, actually I do. I do a
decent amount of stuff with with veterans and with UH
and with people you know, older people like elderly. Let's
just do it that way and and when you can
change somebody's outlook or their their thought on something and
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it effectively changes their life, that's really really, really cool.
So all right, so when we come back from this
commercial break, we are going to talk about, you know how,
how your business expanding, how wide it is, like, what
your what your core what your core strengths are no
pun intended, and how we're going to you know what,
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what you focus on the most with the most amount
of people. This is the rich Comwoll Golf Show. Welcome
back to the rich Comboll Golf Show. We are joined
this week by a very special guest by the name
of Kerry O'Rourke. Carrie is a is just how she's
told us in the first segment about how she transitioned
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from being an engineer into a golf fitness specialist. We'll
just do it that way. But so through COVID, you
expanded your your business, Carrie, and and has it exceeded
what you thought it would be?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Oh, it's it's definitely exceeded what I thought it would be.
It is more challenging than I thought it would be,
I would say that, but at the end of the day,
the success the way I've grown being on podcasts and
the people I've met along the way at some of
the top golf courses, not only in the United States
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but internationally, helping even directors of golf along with my
I would say, irregular guys who just want longevity on
the golf course. That are one, I believe getting the
message out there that fitness is the missing piece in
your golf game, especially if you're playing at a high level.
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That's one of the most important messages I've been able
to get across to my audience, whether it's in a
fun way or a serious way. But getting the exposure
and the networking and the relationships that you can build,
even though we may be behind a phone or behind
the computer or via zoom and not in person in
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the the old fashioned way, has has really been wonderful.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That's awesome. So all right, so let me ask you this,
who if you could, if you just take a snapshot
of your target market. Who. I realize you mentioned a
lot of people. You've mentioned somebody you know that's just
trying to kind of stay on the golf course and
kind of keep things going, or or people who are
trying to play professionally or trying to get like get
into the into the professional realm. So tell me who
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your target market is. I know it's everybody you know who.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yes, well, you can't help everybody at end of the day.
So my target market is golfers that are age forty
five and older. I would say most of my golfers
range in the fifties and sixties, some in their seventies,
and I currently have won eighty one year old God
bless him. I would say a competitive golfer who is
serious about their game and likes to win, and that
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could be at different levels, whether you're on the Champions
Tour or if you just like to win skins against
your buddies on a Saturday. That's really an important element
that I see in most of my golfers, as they
are competitive, whether they're former college athletes or maybe in
the sales world and retire and still needs a place
for their competitive spirit. So I would most of my
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clients are men, but I do have some women. The
women that I train tend to be like club champions
and higher level golfers.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Okay, so that's interesting you mentioned that because I was
fortunate enough to spend some time with a former Pittsburgh
Steeler and he played thirteen years in National Football League
and he's been retired for probably fifteen years, give or take.
And I asked him if he missed it, and he said,
every day. And you talk about that competition thing like
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it's it's instilled in a lot of people in a
lot and it comes from a lot of different ways.
I mean, like you said, you know, maybe you were
selling you know, widgets, you know, for thirty years, and
how you're done doing that, but that juice is still
there and like you and now you get to compete
against yourself effectively and obviously your friends. But yeah, it's
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just that bringing out that competition in people is probably,
I would think would probably be pretty easy to tap into. Right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Well, not everybody is competitive on the golf course, and
those probably aren't my people, and that's fine, right, But
golf is more than just hitting a ball at the
end of the day. It is again the competition, the camaraderie,
your own challenging, challenging yourself, the physical aspect of it
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being in nature. For some people it's their their peace,
their time away from work or family obligations. And the
fitness side of it, of course helps your performance but
also the piece we forget about is longevity. I may
speak to a golfer who's fifty five, and I point out, well,
you may have thirty years of golf ahead of you,
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So what are you doing to make sure that you
have the physical ability to be that eighty five year
old on the golf course?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That we all really want it to be, right, right,
We all want to say we'll play, we'll be able
to shoot our age when we're eighty six. But if
you're not doing something and then pretty near future you're
not going to You're not going to be able to
do that. You're just not going to. You know, probably
chances are you probably not gonna be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So right, it's not even just the scores, but the
ability to.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Be out there, to be out there right, to actually
be right, to make yourself readily availble to walk on
to the first he at age eighty six. Probably start
somewhere long before you turn eighty six. Definitely, what all right,
So give me your give me your you know what,
and give me your first like big success story, like
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because I know you had one where you kind of
had like, hey, I can do this.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Oh that's that's a good question that no one's ever
asked me before. I would say my first moment where
I felt like, Okay, I've made it was when a
Champions Tour player came to me. I didn't seek them
out pursue them, came to me and said, hey, I
need some help. I'm fifty five. I played college golf
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and at that time our workouts were like chug a
beer and run around the track. And at this age,
for me to stay competitive, I definitely need to work
on my fitness. I'm only going to do it in
a hotel room in flip flops. What you got for
me And that was a great moment. But also the
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moments that are just as special are a golfer I
haven't Wisconsin and when we were finishing up his ninety
days with me, we both teared up and he said,
you know, thank you for your help. No one's ever
listened to me or giving me this help before. And
also to people who've had medical issues. One of my
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favorite clients Kai, he was coming out of a stroke.
He as soon as he was clear from rehab, he
was immediately in my program. And for him, after going
through a stroke and getting back on the golf course.
That was his return to life, and I like I
had to, I had to cut out the end of
our interview because we are both like cheering up after that,
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Like this is an emotional golf is emotional. It is
the day if it's gone from your life because of
a medical situation, and I can help you bring it back.
I mean, that's that's how I know. That's how I
know I've made it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That's neat. That's neat. That that's actually really cool because
that that is you know, you start to you start
to get people. Look, you know, because a lot of
people there's a lot of people out there and they
kind of keep it in my opinion, because I've been
doing this for longer than I sometimes care to admit,
but there are people that kind of keep it to themselves,
like how important this game is to them? You know,
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they kind of like slough it off, like, yeah, it's
it's kind of neat, but it's not, you know, it's
you know, it's not as important as it is to
you know, some other people. And then when you really
kind of get close to them and next to them,
and you start to realize, like it's vitally important to
them and for somebody to want, you know, to get
a bad break and hey you, by the way, you
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know you did this, you did that, you had a
stroke like you mentioned, or something happens, you know, and
and to be able to inject it back into their
life at that same level has got to be a
tremendously gratifying experience. Has to be.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Oh it is. And anytime you can help somebody with
their health and not just their golf game, it's extremely rewarding.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That is really really really neat. That's yeah, that's those
those are the those are the fun stories because you know,
and it's funny because I on a different level. You know,
I've had kids, you know, they've and adults that have
played better than they thought they could, and like, that's
that's pretty cool too. But when you sit there and say,
you know this was this was taken from somebody and
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you got it back, you know, that's that's really that's
that's really neat. That's really neat. So okay, So again,
so I asked you your core customers, So so tell me,
like what do you work on, what kind of like
training do you do the most of you know, I mean,
like what are the most amount of people the most
amount of good. If you took a snapshot, what do
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they need?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
The golfers I work with are one needing flexibility to
regain effortless rotation. So if you think about that, think
about people you see on the golf course, maybe your
friends that you've watched over the years, or even yourself.
When you watch a video of your swing and you
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look at it outboard them and say, man, just if
this swing doesn't look the way it used to you,
and it's maybe not getting so far up on your backswing,
or you can't hold that full of finish because your
balance is off a lettle bit, and those things happen
gradually over time the decline and we all think it's
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so important to take more lessons, get more clubs by
more hours on the range. But what we really need
to do at a certain age, which is why I
target forty five and older, when we naturally are going
to start losing our flexibility or your hips are tight
because you sit all day. That affects your golf swing.
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And we have to start with the flexibility and mobility first,
because it doesn't make sense to build speed or strength
on a body that can't even move correctly, especially in golf,
where your movement is the foundation of everything that happens.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, that's like putting cement in a wheelbarrow. Without a wheel,
you're not going anywhere. A little bit true, you're not
going anywhere. It's going to get heavier, but it's not
going to go anywhere. So you said a really cool
word a little while ago, and balance. How much do
you work on balance?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, most people don't work on balance at all, right,
but within my program, yes, we definitely work on balance
and weight shift. And if you want to, if you
want to try it yourself, I would encourage you to
stand on one leg and then shut your eyes. And
that's what gets people. And that's when even golfers who
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think they have great balance suddenly realize, oh gosh, I
don't have that great of balance because if you think
about the golf swing, you're not necessarily looking in the
direction of where you need the balance because we've all
been told keep your head down, keep your head down.
So you have to have the stability and the perception
of your own body and movement to keep your balance
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even without having your eyes. A part of the whole,
the whole.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Puzzle Wow, that's you know, it's interesting because you know
you kind of described you know, you know, close your
eyes instead on one foot. That's a that's that's it's
so simple. But people don't realize how how bad their balance. Mine.
Mine is too. I mean I am normal human being.
(27:20):
I have bad balance too. But you don't know because
you're walking around. You're walking around like I'm you know,
people think that because they're off balance obviously, that they're
on balance in their everyday life because they made it
from from the kitchen to their car, or from their
house and their car. That's not it's not what we're
talking about. We're talking about an actively athletic motion in balance.
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And you know, we used to fit golf clubs with balance,
and that was twenty twenty three years ago. There's a
company out of Idaho called the Henry Griffiths Golf Club,
Golf club Company that that was their that was their
big thing with fitting golf clubs. If you got them,
if you got the individual in a golf club that
was correct for them, it would show up in better balance.
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They'd hold their finished position easier, they'd make a full
complete backswing because the golf club wasn't encumbering them. And
it's interesting. Of course the people we're fitting were twenty
five and thirty years old too, So when you go
to you at forty eight years old, me me at
forty eight years old, you know, or whatever I am,
you're a core client. You know. The golf clubs aren't
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the problem anymore. It's actually their act of balance. And
that's really, really really neat to me. And do you
have a lot of people that get bogged down in
strength versus flexibility?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Not as much in this age group. I would say
that is going to be more common amongst your college golfers,
because of course they all want to be ripped right right,
and they're looking at what they're looking at. Our professional
golfers who are are very athletic and they work out
and they do strength training, and that is important and
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probably more important for them who are trying to muscle
through the ball, but they still sometimes are missing the
mobility issues as well. So it's not necessarily age related.
Like looking at balance. I've tested college golf teams to
golfers who are in their seventies and eighties, and I
wouldn't say there's a direct correlation between age and balance.
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It's just a matter of trying to see how your
balance is, which people forget about. But when it comes to,
like you said, getting bogged down with strength training, I
actually have a lot of clients who come to me
who are very active strength training, do strength training workouts
or CrossFit or boxing or karate or other types of activities,
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and they're really all missing the flexibility foundations. So you
could be an active, in fit person in your sixties
and still not be golf fit.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Is that's the that's so that's what you're after. You
after golf fit, I mean, because because golf is completely different,
it is completely different. So all right, so how okay,
let me ask you a question. This is kind of
a general question because all of these are, but like,
how much time do you say, Obviously, everybody's different, because
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you know, I might be more flexible than Timmy over
there or Billy over there or Jenny over there, But
how much time do you think an average fifty five
year old, fifty two year old whatever, who you know
is pretty good or wants to stay pretty good, how
much time do you think they need to spend a
day in improving their flexibility When.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You have the right program and the right path, you
will have efficient success. And my program is twenty five
minutes three times a week. If anybody tells me they're
too busy for that, and yeah, you're creating your own problems,
right right, And this is tried and tested. I've put
hundreds of golfers through this program and it makes significant changes.
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But what I will say to that is I prefer
smaller amounts of time every day versus three hours on Saturday,
two hours on Saturday. So even if you can't manage
to twenty five minutes, but you can give me fifteen
minutes every day, that is going to start to build
up the momentum and compounding results over time, so that
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when you get to the golf course, your warm up
isn't to suddenly create flexibility in your hamstrings and decide
you can touch your toes in the three minutes before
you hit the first tee, but it's there to just
activate the progress you've already created on a daily basis.
So does that sound like too much time for those results?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Rich No, no, no, no, I understand that completely. Yeah, you
look into fifteen minutes to twenty five minutes three times
a week that's like people say to me, how much
did I practice? Well about I don't know, forty golf
balls three times a week and then call me and
we'll go look at your golf again. But if you
say Sunday afternoon, I'm going to practice from three to five,
well about three twenty five, you're actually now regressing because
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now you've actually turned off your your thought process. So
all right, when we come back from this commercial, we
are going to talk about what's next in your business, Carrie,
and and how what what kind of growth growth potential
you see and some of the goals that you have,
you know, business wise and for for your clients. This
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is the Rich Combo Golf Show. Welcome back to the
Rich Combo Golf Show. We're joined this week by carry
O Rourke or with Carryer Rourke, fitness professional, a highly
highly qualified fitness professional and as everybody knows, Carrie, I
am a PGA professional. So I want to talk to
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you about PGA professionals in general. So tell me how
much on a scale one to ten, and it's okay
if you insult me and say it's none, I'll a
scale one to ten. How clued in PGA professionals are
with what you're trying to do with fitness and all
that fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I'm going to give that a three because PGA professionals
are more aware than the average person that the fitness
is an important side of golf. But I left off
those seven points because they don't know how to achieve that.
So they're aware of the problem, they're aware of the benefit,
but the how is the part that they're missing.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Well, i'll tell you what. Too bad that I didn't
have you a ninth grade consumer math because I probably
would have gotten a better grade than I did, because
you know, miss Brandell probably would have given me a
one for my question. But how do we improve that?
How do we change that from a three to a
say a six or a seven or eight? Because they
know the problems there, but how do we solve the problem.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I don't think it's your responsibility as a pg professional
to solve the problem. You can only do so much, right, So,
just like I'm not going to look at my golfers
and tell them how to change their grip. That's not
my wheelhouse, it's not your wheelhouse. It's not what you've
been taught. And that's why through TPI. We're meant to
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be compliment to your instruction as a PGA professional or
your own work as a professional golfer, not someone to
take over what you're doing. So we should be working
hand in hand. So just like you may have multiple doctors.
You've got an allergist for your allergies and a heart
surgeon for your heart issues. You're not going to cross
the two. They both have separate things that they work on,
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but they're all doctors. So we're all golf coaches. We're
all in the golf world, but we have different specialties.
And as a PGA professional, I would say rely on
your TPI professionals because you want to stay in your
lane on what you're really good at niche down to
what you're good at, rely on other people that can
help you with it. I did do a a talk
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with my first PGA professional client. He's in Ohio, and
he asked me to come speak to his PGA Yearly chapter.
And that was the moment where I realized that none
of the PGA professionals know how to get this done
because the questions they were asking me are the exact
same as my amateur golfers. Is yoga the solution. No
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is the stretch lab, the stretch zone, the solution. No,
it's not. And I could go into why all those
are not, but I know we're limited on time here.
But as a PGA professional, to have the knowledge for
yourself but also to share with your clients on a
high level, but then have the resources and the other
professionals in your back pocket, in your network that you
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can refer them to, just like you refer someone to
a club hitter.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Wow, that's that's actually, that's actually that that's really really
really well put. It's funny you say that's not my
responsibility because because I was talking to another pg professional
on the way down here today before I before I
we called you. And it's really interest because he said
to me, he goes, you know, you think you can
solve every problem in the world, and and you can't.
I'm like, okay, thanks, you just kind of deflated my balloon.
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But yeah, that's that's really that's really kind of that's
that's he said the same thing. He actually said it
a little more harshly than you did. But so how
do you think obviously, you know, I could refer people
to you and and to to what you're trying to do.
But so if I told you that that I personally
wanted to incorporate one or two thoughts into my teaching,
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you know what what am I looking for from your
from your set of eyes?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
What am I looking for? Am I looking for extremely
short golf swings? Am I looking for for difficulty getting
into a dynamic setup position? What would what would be
like the thing that would set off to the bell
and whistle for you? Like, ah, this needs to be.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Done well all of the above. But as if you're
looking at your students to identify where you believe their
physical limit, patients may be as it relates to the swing.
So if you notice their right hip isn't rotating and
instead of making a full turn their swing, you may
look at them and say, hey, you need to open
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up your right hip a little bit more. So, now
you've identified the problem and they can go figure out
how to fix their rights or find a professional in
that sense, or if they have shoulder injuries, things like that.
So essentially, what I recommend to my students, especially if
they want to make swing changes, is to work with
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me and let's determine what we can and can't fix
in your body because there's something that you just can't fix,
maybe because of a past surgery or whatnot. Let's go
through it. Let's see what we can and cannot fix,
and then the next step would be to go back
to your swing coach and say, hey, this is what
I did. I was able to open up my right
shoulder so we can make swing adjustments based on that,
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and not able to fully rotate my left hip. So
now your job as their swing instructor is to work
around that restriction instead of now guessing. So now you're
not saying like, hey, I wonder if we could open
up your left hip a little bit and then make
this thing changes. Now you know and you have the
data on their bodies, so as a professional instructor, you
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can work around that instead of again guessing and what
or what not what may or may not be fixed
in their bodies.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
That makes sense, Yeah, that does. It does. So basically, basically,
you're going to mold declay. Before we start to mold declay,
you're going to figure out what kind of what you
got going on here and then say, okay, you know what,
we're capable of this, this and this, but we're not
capable of that. So let's not work about what we're
not capable of. Let's work with what we are capable of.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And wouldn't that make your job so much easier you
or just handed that information.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yes, yes, if somebody came to me and said, somebody
came to me and said, you know what, I can't
use my right shoulder. I just can't. Like this happened.
That happened, and I'm never going to be able to
use it. So we got to figure out something around that.
So so yeah, I get you'll work not through it,
but with it. That actually does help because now now
the prescriptions there, we know what we have, we know
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the good. Let we know the good, so let's focus
on the good and let's not worry about the bad
because or the inact of for lack of a better.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Term, we can't fact. And that was an unexpected side
effect when I started having more and more clients as
they came back to me saying, well, my lessons with
my instructor now are a lot more efficient.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Ah. Interesting, Yeah, because now because now we all know
what we're working with. Because now they know they know
their left tip can Yeah, the left tip can fire now,
so so you know, don't don't stand there and say, well,
you know, let's let's try to move now, go ahead
and move it because I know it's there, so fire
it right. Yeah, that's that's and then you.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Can determine is it an actual mobility issue or is
it like a brain issue that your body is just
not getting into that position anymore coordination issue. But we
can eliminate and off the boxes on all the mobility.
We just start dialing down on where the issues really are.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So you're so you're actually I can I can kind
of tell you're you're kind of kind of passionate about this,
aren't you.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I mean, I love it. It's it's crazy because this
is my favorite part of golf. I know when I
watch just anyone on the golf course, I'm looking at
it probably different than a swing instructor or a spectator
is looking at their swing because this is just what
I do all day. And sometimes I feel so frustrated
because the fixes are so easy, but you just have
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to do it.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
That's yeah, that's that. That's interesting. That's interesting. What what
what do you think in terms of of you personally?
How are you going to how are you going to
grow your business. You're just going to kind of keep
doing what you're doing, or you can actually put some
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sort of do you have a goal, do you like
have an X amount of number of people you want
to if you want to help or is there no limit?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So as an engineer, I'm an a planner.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Let's put it out shocking shocking, I know, and I've put.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
A probably too much thought into how i want my
business to go. And I'm fifty one years old, so
at this point I'm not trying to run the world.
I actually really like the space that I'm in right now.
I can help between ten and fifteen golfers per month
and still be able to give them my full attention.
Any more than that I would have to bring on
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a junior coach or additional members. And anyone who runs
a business, more employees does not always equal more freedom.
And so this is the space I want to be in,
is about ten to fifteen clients per month, because again
I can personally assist them. When you get bigger than that,
you just can't give people the personal attention. And this
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is what gives me pleasure, is having the personal relationships
with my clients. Of that being said, the places I
like to grow is to be a bigger voice for
golfers to understand where what can really move a needle,
especially as you get older. I love doing podcasts and
networking with people. I've got a TED talk coming up
(42:17):
next year. So those places for growth are exciting. Uh,
and I can still maintain the integrity of my coaching
business at the same time. Wow.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Man, So so you've never thought about that answer before?
Because I'll tell you what, that was actually pretty solid.
And that was pretty solid. I mean, we thought about it,
we covered that one before. Wow, wow, somebody else you
asked yourself that question before I asked it to you.
That was pretty good. That was pretty good. So okay,
so you're on.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Your own business. That's twenty four to seven thinking about
your business.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, I hear, I know that. I know that. What
So that's that's pretty neat. So So I like I
like how you. I like how you you you know, small, dedicated, dedicated, small, whatever,
you know, fifteen twenty people. I'm not saying that's small,
but you know that's that's it's very very very good
of you two to to know, I think, to know
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what your capabilities are, you know, and what's your biggest
impact is with how many? How many people? Because I,
you know, I know golf professional, like you know I
I only teach like seven seven days, you know, seven
lessons a week. And it's because I'm in such you know,
that's that's where I can do the most amount of good.
Well are you sure you know what I mean? And
then and then I have the other ones to say,
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you know what, I charge X amount of exorbitant amount
of money, and that tells me you don't want to teach,
you know what I mean? So that's that's really that's
really interesting. You guys set that number, so all of.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Us finding a balance between you know, who we can
help and the reach we can have, but also we
need to still have our own lives and our own balance.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah. That's as I get older, I hear that work
life balance thing, and I thought it was like a
twenty four year old thing. But I don't think it is.
I don't think it is. I don't think it's supposed
to be something it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
When you've been in business for a long time, though,
your experience has earned you the right to make your
own rules.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Wow, I'm going to write that one down. My experience
has allowed me to learn that make my own rules.
I like that. I like that. So so how much
do you let me ask you this question? How much?
Because you have fifteen twenty how much? How much do
you evaluate or how often do you evaluate? Or is
it or is it student based your your thought processes
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on how all this works? Like you like obviously a
dermatologist you're an hour just knows this is what analergy
looks like. But do you ever are you ever going
to go back and do more training or always? Are
you always doing more training so you can make a
bigger impact with you with your clients.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Well, I'm sticking with the online format as far as training.
I'm not going to go back to in person, one
on one training as a business model. However, the one
piece I'm adding this year is in person intensive at
I would say country clubs that have the membership that
can support, you know, bringing someone in from another state passively.
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So that'll be starting in Florida later this year. So
that'll be a fun way to still be connected to
two people. So that would be the next step in
my training.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Wow, that's that's really that's really cool. That's really cool.
So so basically, the sky's the limit and because you
have you have really good control of what you're doing.
Did you out Okay? So let me ask you this question,
because we only have a few minutes left. Did you
ever like if I could, if I could hit rewind
and make you twenty five years old again, and you're
a newly minted engineer from the University of Cincinnati. You know,
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go bearcats, But did you ever could you in your
wad streams thought you'd be doing this today?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Absolutely not. And maybe that's the lesson that we take
away from this is to be open to whatever opportunities
come across your way and be brave enough to do them,
because there are not many people who are brave enough
to just start their own business and start from scratch
and take the risks. But it is one hundred percent possible.
(46:24):
And in three years that I've been online again, I
would have never imagined to be in golf fitness, for sure,
But to the extent that I am now speaking with
you like, it's wonderful. And you just have to believe
in yourself, whether it's doing your golf fitness to be
the best on the golf course or starting a business.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Wow, that's yeah. I guess maybe, I guess maybe the
I think the word that actually comes true with all
that is faith. If you have faith in yourself, I mean,
do you believe you can do this and if you do,
it'll work itself out. And if you don't believe in that, that's,
in my opinion, that's when people kind of look away
from opportunities.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
You know what I mean, it's hard to take on opportunities,
and even in your health and fitness, there's so many
excuses out there, and it's so easy to rely upon
excuses to not do the work. It's not in my DNA,
so it's hard for me to understand, but I know that, Yeah,
excusees are easy. It's easier to stay in your comfort
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zone than it is to actually try to get better.
But I imagine, you know, people who are listening to
this are here because they are obsessed with golf. They
love golf and they want to be better at it,
and they're not excuse makers.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
There you go. Well, Carrie, I tell you what this
has flown by for me. I cannot tell you how
much I appreciate your time. Once you get up and
move into Florida and things like that. I'll reach out.
I'll reach out maybe the beginning of next year, and
we'll catch up and see where everything stands with you.
Is it okay?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
My pleasure?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Thank you, Kerrie, thank you so much. This is the
Rich Come Woll Golf Show.
Welcome to the rich Comwallgosh Show. It is a well it's August,
but it feels like a fall day in western Pennsylvania
and West Virginia. We are joined this week as I promised,
I'd get into some very interesting guests because a couple
of weeks, you guys had to listen to me talk
for a long time. This week is is Carrie O'Rourke.
(00:26):
Carrie is has a really kind of actually is a
very very highly qualified fitness professional and has a has
a really really really interesting and correct and dynamic take
on fitness and golf and and things like that. And
we'll get into all that as we go, but first
(00:47):
I wanted to say, Carrie, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
My pleasure. And it is a fall day in Detroit
as well today.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Ah, so what part of Detroit are you in.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm in Oakland County, Detroit by Oakland Hills Golf Course,
which is probably most familiar to your audience.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes, yes, Oakland Hills. See Hogan won the US Open
there in nineteen fifty one, still considered to be the
hardest US Open setup in history, shut sixty seven in
the third round. That's when they played thirty six holes.
So see now you have useless information.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
To I was impressed by it that you could pull
out that stair.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeahly in nineteen fifty one and one forty eight fifty
to fifty one and fifty three lost in a playoff
in nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Well, we also just had the live tournament here over
the weekend as well. Did you go, brught br I
did not go, but I did watch some of it
and definitely brought high energy golf to the area.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I will tell you this, I've been, I've worked a
couple of them, Carrie. I'm telling you right now, you
if you have a chance, if they come back, and
I don't know if they will or not, but if
they can, you have to go. It is the most
it is the you're talking about high energy. I mean,
it's it's nothing compared to it. There's no golf torm
that compares to it. None, none. I mean, it's just
(02:05):
it's it's a phenomenal environment. As a matter of fact
that I'm surprised the PGA Tour hasn't taken a page
from them, because I'm not saying the music and all
that stuff, but I'm just saying, just like the connection.
It's like you're there, they're there for the fans and
not the other way around. It's kind of really.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, that makes it exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It's really neat. It's really neat. Okay, So now we're
gonna not talk about mister Hogan at Oakland Hills in
nineteen fifty one anymore or live golf. But so before
we get started into into like your your everyday activity
with all this, why don't you tell us about your
your early years. And I realized we're going to kind
(02:44):
of transition through your education and things like that, but
go ahead and start, like, how you like, what was
your earliest connection to golf? Let's do that first.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Oh gosh, my earliest connection to golf was I would
say my teenage years. My mom was derman to make
my brother and I country club children, not coming from
that background herself, but providing a different life for her
children than she experienced, and dropping my brother and I
off to the golf course back in the day where
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you could leave your kids all day on the golf
course and nobody cares, and learning how to golf in
my I would say middle school, teenage years with my
brother on the golf course and Now what's fun is
my younger cousins are at that same golf course doing
junior golf as well.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
That's neat. So did you did you? Did you become
pretty good or did you just kind of tell me
how good you got?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh? I back at that time. I think that at
that time it was not as popular amongst the female
girl golfers. So I played. I had soun you know,
it dropped off my wife when I went to college
and then graduate from college and getting into the dating world.
My husband was a golfer, so I got back into
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that into it, then joined golf leagues, had children, didn't
golf as much. Just like the regular progression that I
hear from my golfers, they get to their careers and
their families, and sometimes that falled off the wayside. And
then my children ended up becoming high level golfers, and
I segued back into the golf world myself, but then
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also into a career in golf because we do anything
to help our children, right, And that's where I ended
up landing. And here we are now, all.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Right, So, okay, so you were a college University of Cincinnati, correct, Yes, yeah,
So you're you're like a bearcat throw and through. Right,
So I'm well, yes, and.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It's very exciting with a dealer swift hitting engaged to
a bear cat.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yes, my god. Okay, so all right, I'll go to
tell you right now. I never ever ever really thought this.
We were going to have to not have to, but
we were going to talk talk about that today. But
that is true. He is a he is a university
says today bearcat. But he is nowhere near as famous
as like your basketball player Oscar Robertson, Like nowhere near it.
(05:10):
I mean, let's just let's just get really let's just
get really clear, like Oscar Robertson might be the best
basketball player ever to live. Travis Kelsey really good football player,
but not there yet, but he does have a more
famous girlfriend and or wife to be than Oscar Robertson did.
So yeah. So so what did you study at UC
because this is interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh okay, well, I studied civil engineering. I was actually
a construction engineer in a previous life, and like many people,
we have different transitions throughout our careers over the years. Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So so you're like really smart. It's okay to say it.
It's all right, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
My mom sometimes believes I'm wasting my smart talents, of course,
but nobody understands how difficult it is to run a business,
even if it's a gulf.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So so okay, it's okay to be really smart. That's okay,
that's good. So all right. So so you you know,
obviously you were you're a construction engineer, and you do
all those nifty things, and then, as you said before,
you you have kids and and and they get into
how many how many kids did you have that that
were actively in golf.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I have two sons, both college golfers, one currently graduated
and the other one I just dropped off yesterday for
a third year of college golf. Where Hillsdale College. Yeah, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah, sure, So I've been to. Let's see, I've been to.
I've been Adrian College in Michigan. I've been. I'm going
to go speak to the professional golf Management program at
Farris State in November.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So I'm a little I'm a program.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, I'm a little. I'm a little familiar with with Michigan,
not much. My brother lived in Brighton for a while,
so I'm a little familiar with with Michigan. So where
did your other son play.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
He played at Wayne State, which is the great public university.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yes, yes, so all right, So as you mentioned before,
you know, you're an engineer or smart engineer and all
that stuff. And you know, my brother that lived in
Brighton is an is an engineer too, but he's so
smart he's stupid. So he's really smart, but he doesn't
have that common sense thing. And you know, I'm allowed
(07:25):
to say that on the radio because he'll you know,
he can't refute it. So you decide at some point
to start to transition your career away from this engineering thing, right, yes,
all right, So tell me how how that came about.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Sure, I would say, like many other women, I had
a family, had children, stopped working to raise my children.
I'm very grateful and lucky that i had that opportunity.
But at a certain point it was time for me
to get back into the working world from my own
peace of mind and to be like myself again. And
(08:02):
going back to full time fifty sixty hours a week
of engineering was not what I wanted to do. So
I started personal training and did that for many years.
I would get up at the crack of dawn, go train,
a few clients, come home, take my children to school,
go back. But it worked for my lifestyle, and, as
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I mentioned earlier, as my kids started getting older and
into golf. At one point I took my son, he
was about sixteen, to a lesson at Oakland Hills, actually
a local pro there and I was watching and at
one point the pro turned to me and said, hey, mom,
I heard you're a personal trainer. Max is just way
too stiff. He's not flexible. I need you to fix
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that for him. And in that moment, despite the fact
that I had been a professional fitness trainer for over
five ten years, at that point, I had no idea
what I needed to do physically to fix his golf swing.
Like that was foreign territory to me. And that's what
inspired me to become certified as a Titleist Performance Institute
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Golf Fitness Professional so that I could, in that moment,
help my son be better at golf. And then it
just segued from there and I realized that there is
an entire market and group of golfers who do not
know how to get flexible and fit for golf, even
if you are already working out that the golf athleticism
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is so much different than any other sport out there,
and core golf fitness was born from there.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah. So it's funny because you said that before. You know,
we do anything for our children. That's funny. So all right,
So the Titlist Performance Institute, so talk to me about
what they talk to me about what that training consists of.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Sure, well, Titles Performance Institute is the world's largest organization
that's studying the science behind the golf wing. So that
ties into my engineering training. I'm very fascinated by physics
and what's happening behind the scenes structurally and that training.
As far as the fitness side, they do certify swinging instructors,
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golf fitness professionals and also medical professionals all on how
to treat our golfers the best way, and we all
have a little different path within TPI depending on our
specialty and golf fitness wise, it was actually a very
challenging training. So I've been through multiple certifications, let's say
for general fitness, and those are fairly easy, I'll be honest,
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but the golf fitness was hard. I had to study
for it. It was fun because my kids were involved.
They were interested in the different things I was learning,
but it really dialed into the specific movements that are
required in our bodies for golf, and very likely how
it came to rotation, because golf is really one of
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the only sports where we're really rotating at a fast
speed from a stationary point where we need finesse and
power at the same time. Because the harder you try
and the stronger you are, sometimes the more difficult it is.
So taking a step back and looking at your mobility
first is what they preach. So look at mobility first,
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and then we build speed and power and strength on
top of that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So did you did you ever I mean, this is
like the question of faith in yourself, But did you
ever think that you you couldn't you couldn't achieve your
certification with TPI?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Oh no, silly, Okay, I like that.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I like that. I like that.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
But I do feel like it's relevant that it's not
an easy training so that you can have trust in
your TPI experts.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So So okay, so once you get through,
now obviously you have you have at least two clients
in your own house, right, but how do you get
into how do you get, how do you start to
expand that? How do you do you mean from yeah, like,
how do you yeah? How do you how do you
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start to expand your business aspect of this?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That's a great question. At the time, I was who
I would say, not struggling. It was struggling in the
sense of the calendar that I was running around town
in my local country club's Oakland Hills included Bloomfield Country Club,
all the different clubs in my area, going place to place,
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finding clients that I could work with. And that's a
challenging format and challenging lifestyle because there's only so many
clients in one spot when you're in such a specific
niche and then COVID happened, and like many other professionals
in all sorts of different in different areas, we had
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to quickly change and pivot in our businesses. And it
was at that time that I crossed my mind that
this could be an online business. And that was out
of necessity for one, but two out of myself thinking
what do I want for my life in my business?
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So I've been running around, I've been using this fitness certification.
I'm successful at it, but I can only reach so
many people in a day. If I'm physically going from
place to place, and then somebody has had done its
appointment and they can't make their appointment and they miss
out on that workout that week. So all those factors
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coming together, I thought, is it possible to take what
I've created in the gym in person settings and put
it into a platform that one can be accessible to
more people worldwide, that I can help you faster and
you know, at a better investment rate versus hiring a
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one on one personal trainer and still get those same
results in this new technology world. For those of us
that are forty five, fifty and older, this is new
to us, and I did it, and I tried it,
and it's three years now since I started in this format,
and I could never have predicted where this would go.
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And really the amount of people that I can help,
that I can change lives, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Really, Yeah, that's that's really, that's really neat because every
so often we talk, actually I do. I do a
decent amount of stuff with with veterans and with UH
and with people you know, older people like elderly. Let's
just do it that way and and when you can
change somebody's outlook or their their thought on something and
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it effectively changes their life, that's really really, really cool.
So all right, so when we come back from this
commercial break, we are going to talk about, you know how,
how your business expanding, how wide it is, like, what
your what your core what your core strengths are no
pun intended, and how we're going to you know what,
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what you focus on the most with the most amount
of people. This is the rich Comwoll Golf Show. Welcome
back to the rich Comboll Golf Show. We are joined
this week by a very special guest by the name
of Kerry O'Rourke. Carrie is a is just how she's
told us in the first segment about how she transitioned
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from being an engineer into a golf fitness specialist. We'll
just do it that way. But so through COVID, you
expanded your your business, Carrie, and and has it exceeded
what you thought it would be?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Oh, it's it's definitely exceeded what I thought it would be.
It is more challenging than I thought it would be,
I would say that, but at the end of the day,
the success the way I've grown being on podcasts and
the people I've met along the way at some of
the top golf courses, not only in the United States
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but internationally, helping even directors of golf along with my
I would say, irregular guys who just want longevity on
the golf course. That are one, I believe getting the
message out there that fitness is the missing piece in
your golf game, especially if you're playing at a high level.
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That's one of the most important messages I've been able
to get across to my audience, whether it's in a
fun way or a serious way. But getting the exposure
and the networking and the relationships that you can build,
even though we may be behind a phone or behind
the computer or via zoom and not in person in
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the the old fashioned way, has has really been wonderful.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
That's awesome. So all right, so let me ask you this,
who if you could, if you just take a snapshot
of your target market. Who. I realize you mentioned a
lot of people. You've mentioned somebody you know that's just
trying to kind of stay on the golf course and
kind of keep things going, or or people who are
trying to play professionally or trying to get like get
into the into the professional realm. So tell me who
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your target market is. I know it's everybody you know who.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yes, well, you can't help everybody at end of the day.
So my target market is golfers that are age forty
five and older. I would say most of my golfers
range in the fifties and sixties, some in their seventies,
and I currently have won eighty one year old God
bless him. I would say a competitive golfer who is
serious about their game and likes to win, and that
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could be at different levels, whether you're on the Champions
Tour or if you just like to win skins against
your buddies on a Saturday. That's really an important element
that I see in most of my golfers, as they
are competitive, whether they're former college athletes or maybe in
the sales world and retire and still needs a place
for their competitive spirit. So I would most of my
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clients are men, but I do have some women. The
women that I train tend to be like club champions
and higher level golfers.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Okay, so that's interesting you mentioned that because I was
fortunate enough to spend some time with a former Pittsburgh
Steeler and he played thirteen years in National Football League
and he's been retired for probably fifteen years, give or take.
And I asked him if he missed it, and he said,
every day. And you talk about that competition thing like
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it's it's instilled in a lot of people in a
lot and it comes from a lot of different ways.
I mean, like you said, you know, maybe you were
selling you know, widgets, you know, for thirty years, and
how you're done doing that, but that juice is still
there and like you and now you get to compete
against yourself effectively and obviously your friends. But yeah, it's
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just that bringing out that competition in people is probably,
I would think would probably be pretty easy to tap into. Right.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Well, not everybody is competitive on the golf course, and
those probably aren't my people, and that's fine, right, But
golf is more than just hitting a ball at the
end of the day. It is again the competition, the camaraderie,
your own challenging, challenging yourself, the physical aspect of it
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being in nature. For some people it's their their peace,
their time away from work or family obligations. And the
fitness side of it, of course helps your performance but
also the piece we forget about is longevity. I may
speak to a golfer who's fifty five, and I point out, well,
you may have thirty years of golf ahead of you,
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So what are you doing to make sure that you
have the physical ability to be that eighty five year
old on the golf course?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
That we all really want it to be, right, right,
We all want to say we'll play, we'll be able
to shoot our age when we're eighty six. But if
you're not doing something and then pretty near future you're
not going to You're not going to be able to
do that. You're just not going to. You know, probably
chances are you probably not gonna be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So right, it's not even just the scores, but the
ability to.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Be out there, to be out there right, to actually
be right, to make yourself readily availble to walk on
to the first he at age eighty six. Probably start
somewhere long before you turn eighty six. Definitely, what all right,
So give me your give me your you know what,
and give me your first like big success story, like
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because I know you had one where you kind of
had like, hey, I can do this.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Oh that's that's a good question that no one's ever
asked me before. I would say my first moment where
I felt like, Okay, I've made it was when a
Champions Tour player came to me. I didn't seek them
out pursue them, came to me and said, hey, I
need some help. I'm fifty five. I played college golf
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and at that time our workouts were like chug a
beer and run around the track. And at this age,
for me to stay competitive, I definitely need to work
on my fitness. I'm only going to do it in
a hotel room in flip flops. What you got for
me And that was a great moment. But also the
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moments that are just as special are a golfer I
haven't Wisconsin and when we were finishing up his ninety
days with me, we both teared up and he said,
you know, thank you for your help. No one's ever
listened to me or giving me this help before. And
also to people who've had medical issues. One of my
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favorite clients Kai, he was coming out of a stroke.
He as soon as he was clear from rehab, he
was immediately in my program. And for him, after going
through a stroke and getting back on the golf course.
That was his return to life, and I like I
had to, I had to cut out the end of
our interview because we are both like cheering up after that,
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Like this is an emotional golf is emotional. It is
the day if it's gone from your life because of
a medical situation, and I can help you bring it back.
I mean, that's that's how I know. That's how I
know I've made it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
That's neat. That's neat. That that's actually really cool because
that that is you know, you start to you start
to get people. Look, you know, because a lot of
people there's a lot of people out there and they
kind of keep it in my opinion, because I've been
doing this for longer than I sometimes care to admit,
but there are people that kind of keep it to themselves,
like how important this game is to them? You know,
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they kind of like slough it off, like, yeah, it's
it's kind of neat, but it's not, you know, it's
you know, it's not as important as it is to
you know, some other people. And then when you really
kind of get close to them and next to them,
and you start to realize, like it's vitally important to
them and for somebody to want, you know, to get
a bad break and hey you, by the way, you
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know you did this, you did that, you had a
stroke like you mentioned, or something happens, you know, and
and to be able to inject it back into their
life at that same level has got to be a
tremendously gratifying experience. Has to be.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Oh it is. And anytime you can help somebody with
their health and not just their golf game, it's extremely rewarding.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
That is really really really neat. That's yeah, that's those
those are the those are the fun stories because you know,
and it's funny because I on a different level. You know,
I've had kids, you know, they've and adults that have
played better than they thought they could, and like, that's
that's pretty cool too. But when you sit there and say,
you know this was this was taken from somebody and
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you got it back, you know, that's that's really that's
that's really neat. That's really neat. So okay, So again,
so I asked you your core customers, So so tell me,
like what do you work on, what kind of like
training do you do the most of you know, I mean,
like what are the most amount of people the most
amount of good. If you took a snapshot, what do
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they need?
Speaker 2 (24:31):
The golfers I work with are one needing flexibility to
regain effortless rotation. So if you think about that, think
about people you see on the golf course, maybe your
friends that you've watched over the years, or even yourself.
When you watch a video of your swing and you
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look at it outboard them and say, man, just if
this swing doesn't look the way it used to you,
and it's maybe not getting so far up on your backswing,
or you can't hold that full of finish because your
balance is off a lettle bit, and those things happen
gradually over time the decline and we all think it's
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so important to take more lessons, get more clubs by
more hours on the range. But what we really need
to do at a certain age, which is why I
target forty five and older, when we naturally are going
to start losing our flexibility or your hips are tight
because you sit all day. That affects your golf swing.
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And we have to start with the flexibility and mobility first,
because it doesn't make sense to build speed or strength
on a body that can't even move correctly, especially in golf,
where your movement is the foundation of everything that happens.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, that's like putting cement in a wheelbarrow. Without a wheel,
you're not going anywhere. A little bit true, you're not
going anywhere. It's going to get heavier, but it's not
going to go anywhere. So you said a really cool
word a little while ago, and balance. How much do
you work on balance?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, most people don't work on balance at all, right,
but within my program, yes, we definitely work on balance
and weight shift. And if you want to, if you
want to try it yourself, I would encourage you to
stand on one leg and then shut your eyes. And
that's what gets people. And that's when even golfers who
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think they have great balance suddenly realize, oh gosh, I
don't have that great of balance because if you think
about the golf swing, you're not necessarily looking in the
direction of where you need the balance because we've all
been told keep your head down, keep your head down.
So you have to have the stability and the perception
of your own body and movement to keep your balance
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even without having your eyes. A part of the whole,
the whole.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Puzzle Wow, that's you know, it's interesting because you know
you kind of described you know, you know, close your
eyes instead on one foot. That's a that's that's it's
so simple. But people don't realize how how bad their balance. Mine.
Mine is too. I mean I am normal human being.
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I have bad balance too. But you don't know because
you're walking around. You're walking around like I'm you know,
people think that because they're off balance obviously, that they're
on balance in their everyday life because they made it
from from the kitchen to their car, or from their
house and their car. That's not it's not what we're
talking about. We're talking about an actively athletic motion in balance.
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And you know, we used to fit golf clubs with balance,
and that was twenty twenty three years ago. There's a
company out of Idaho called the Henry Griffiths Golf Club,
Golf club Company that that was their that was their
big thing with fitting golf clubs. If you got them,
if you got the individual in a golf club that
was correct for them, it would show up in better balance.
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They'd hold their finished position easier, they'd make a full
complete backswing because the golf club wasn't encumbering them. And
it's interesting. Of course the people we're fitting were twenty
five and thirty years old too, So when you go
to you at forty eight years old, me me at
forty eight years old, you know, or whatever I am,
you're a core client. You know. The golf clubs aren't
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the problem anymore. It's actually their act of balance. And
that's really, really really neat to me. And do you
have a lot of people that get bogged down in
strength versus flexibility?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Not as much in this age group. I would say
that is going to be more common amongst your college golfers,
because of course they all want to be ripped right right,
and they're looking at what they're looking at. Our professional
golfers who are are very athletic and they work out
and they do strength training, and that is important and
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probably more important for them who are trying to muscle
through the ball, but they still sometimes are missing the
mobility issues as well. So it's not necessarily age related.
Like looking at balance. I've tested college golf teams to
golfers who are in their seventies and eighties, and I
wouldn't say there's a direct correlation between age and balance.
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It's just a matter of trying to see how your
balance is, which people forget about. But when it comes to,
like you said, getting bogged down with strength training, I
actually have a lot of clients who come to me
who are very active strength training, do strength training workouts
or CrossFit or boxing or karate or other types of activities,
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and they're really all missing the flexibility foundations. So you
could be an active, in fit person in your sixties
and still not be golf fit.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Is that's the that's so that's what you're after. You
after golf fit, I mean, because because golf is completely different,
it is completely different. So all right, so how okay,
let me ask you a question. This is kind of
a general question because all of these are, but like,
how much time do you say, Obviously, everybody's different, because
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you know, I might be more flexible than Timmy over
there or Billy over there or Jenny over there, But
how much time do you think an average fifty five
year old, fifty two year old whatever, who you know
is pretty good or wants to stay pretty good, how
much time do you think they need to spend a
day in improving their flexibility When.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You have the right program and the right path, you
will have efficient success. And my program is twenty five
minutes three times a week. If anybody tells me they're
too busy for that, and yeah, you're creating your own problems,
right right, And this is tried and tested. I've put
hundreds of golfers through this program and it makes significant changes.
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But what I will say to that is I prefer
smaller amounts of time every day versus three hours on Saturday,
two hours on Saturday. So even if you can't manage
to twenty five minutes, but you can give me fifteen
minutes every day, that is going to start to build
up the momentum and compounding results over time, so that
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when you get to the golf course, your warm up
isn't to suddenly create flexibility in your hamstrings and decide
you can touch your toes in the three minutes before
you hit the first tee, but it's there to just
activate the progress you've already created on a daily basis.
So does that sound like too much time for those results?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Rich No, no, no, no, I understand that completely. Yeah, you
look into fifteen minutes to twenty five minutes three times
a week that's like people say to me, how much
did I practice? Well about I don't know, forty golf
balls three times a week and then call me and
we'll go look at your golf again. But if you
say Sunday afternoon, I'm going to practice from three to five,
well about three twenty five, you're actually now regressing because
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now you've actually turned off your your thought process. So
all right, when we come back from this commercial, we
are going to talk about what's next in your business, Carrie,
and and how what what kind of growth growth potential
you see and some of the goals that you have,
you know, business wise and for for your clients. This
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is the Rich Combo Golf Show. Welcome back to the
Rich Combo Golf Show. We're joined this week by carry
O Rourke or with Carryer Rourke, fitness professional, a highly
highly qualified fitness professional and as everybody knows, Carrie, I
am a PGA professional. So I want to talk to
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you about PGA professionals in general. So tell me how
much on a scale one to ten, and it's okay
if you insult me and say it's none, I'll a
scale one to ten. How clued in PGA professionals are
with what you're trying to do with fitness and all
that fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I'm going to give that a three because PGA professionals
are more aware than the average person that the fitness
is an important side of golf. But I left off
those seven points because they don't know how to achieve that.
So they're aware of the problem, they're aware of the benefit,
but the how is the part that they're missing.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Well, i'll tell you what. Too bad that I didn't
have you a ninth grade consumer math because I probably
would have gotten a better grade than I did, because
you know, miss Brandell probably would have given me a
one for my question. But how do we improve that?
How do we change that from a three to a
say a six or a seven or eight? Because they
know the problems there, but how do we solve the problem.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I don't think it's your responsibility as a pg professional
to solve the problem. You can only do so much, right, So,
just like I'm not going to look at my golfers
and tell them how to change their grip. That's not
my wheelhouse, it's not your wheelhouse. It's not what you've
been taught. And that's why through TPI. We're meant to
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be compliment to your instruction as a PGA professional or
your own work as a professional golfer, not someone to
take over what you're doing. So we should be working
hand in hand. So just like you may have multiple doctors.
You've got an allergist for your allergies and a heart
surgeon for your heart issues. You're not going to cross
the two. They both have separate things that they work on,
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but they're all doctors. So we're all golf coaches. We're
all in the golf world, but we have different specialties.
And as a PGA professional, I would say rely on
your TPI professionals because you want to stay in your
lane on what you're really good at niche down to
what you're good at, rely on other people that can
help you with it. I did do a a talk
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with my first PGA professional client. He's in Ohio, and
he asked me to come speak to his PGA Yearly chapter.
And that was the moment where I realized that none
of the PGA professionals know how to get this done
because the questions they were asking me are the exact
same as my amateur golfers. Is yoga the solution. No
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is the stretch lab, the stretch zone, the solution. No,
it's not. And I could go into why all those
are not, but I know we're limited on time here.
But as a PGA professional, to have the knowledge for
yourself but also to share with your clients on a
high level, but then have the resources and the other
professionals in your back pocket, in your network that you
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can refer them to, just like you refer someone to
a club hitter.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Wow, that's that's actually, that's actually that that's really really
really well put. It's funny you say that's not my
responsibility because because I was talking to another pg professional
on the way down here today before I before I
we called you. And it's really interest because he said
to me, he goes, you know, you think you can
solve every problem in the world, and and you can't.
I'm like, okay, thanks, you just kind of deflated my balloon.
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But yeah, that's that's really that's really kind of that's
that's he said the same thing. He actually said it
a little more harshly than you did. But so how
do you think obviously, you know, I could refer people
to you and and to to what you're trying to do.
But so if I told you that that I personally
wanted to incorporate one or two thoughts into my teaching,
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you know what what am I looking for from your
from your set of eyes?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
What am I looking for? Am I looking for extremely
short golf swings? Am I looking for for difficulty getting
into a dynamic setup position? What would what would be
like the thing that would set off to the bell
and whistle for you? Like, ah, this needs to be.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Done well all of the above. But as if you're
looking at your students to identify where you believe their
physical limit, patients may be as it relates to the swing.
So if you notice their right hip isn't rotating and
instead of making a full turn their swing, you may
look at them and say, hey, you need to open
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up your right hip a little bit more. So, now
you've identified the problem and they can go figure out
how to fix their rights or find a professional in
that sense, or if they have shoulder injuries, things like that.
So essentially, what I recommend to my students, especially if
they want to make swing changes, is to work with
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me and let's determine what we can and can't fix
in your body because there's something that you just can't fix,
maybe because of a past surgery or whatnot. Let's go
through it. Let's see what we can and cannot fix,
and then the next step would be to go back
to your swing coach and say, hey, this is what
I did. I was able to open up my right
shoulder so we can make swing adjustments based on that,
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and not able to fully rotate my left hip. So
now your job as their swing instructor is to work
around that restriction instead of now guessing. So now you're
not saying like, hey, I wonder if we could open
up your left hip a little bit and then make
this thing changes. Now you know and you have the
data on their bodies, so as a professional instructor, you
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can work around that instead of again guessing and what
or what not what may or may not be fixed
in their bodies.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
That makes sense, Yeah, that does. It does. So basically, basically,
you're going to mold declay. Before we start to mold declay,
you're going to figure out what kind of what you
got going on here and then say, okay, you know what,
we're capable of this, this and this, but we're not
capable of that. So let's not work about what we're
not capable of. Let's work with what we are capable of.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
And wouldn't that make your job so much easier you
or just handed that information.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yes, yes, if somebody came to me and said, somebody
came to me and said, you know what, I can't
use my right shoulder. I just can't. Like this happened.
That happened, and I'm never going to be able to
use it. So we got to figure out something around that.
So so yeah, I get you'll work not through it,
but with it. That actually does help because now now
the prescriptions there, we know what we have, we know
(39:13):
the good. Let we know the good, so let's focus
on the good and let's not worry about the bad
because or the inact of for lack of a better.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Term, we can't fact. And that was an unexpected side
effect when I started having more and more clients as
they came back to me saying, well, my lessons with
my instructor now are a lot more efficient.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Ah. Interesting, Yeah, because now because now we all know
what we're working with. Because now they know they know
their left tip can Yeah, the left tip can fire now,
so so you know, don't don't stand there and say, well,
you know, let's let's try to move now, go ahead
and move it because I know it's there, so fire
it right. Yeah, that's that's and then you.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Can determine is it an actual mobility issue or is
it like a brain issue that your body is just
not getting into that position anymore coordination issue. But we
can eliminate and off the boxes on all the mobility.
We just start dialing down on where the issues really are.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So you're so you're actually I can I can kind
of tell you're you're kind of kind of passionate about this,
aren't you.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I mean, I love it. It's it's crazy because this
is my favorite part of golf. I know when I
watch just anyone on the golf course, I'm looking at
it probably different than a swing instructor or a spectator
is looking at their swing because this is just what
I do all day. And sometimes I feel so frustrated
because the fixes are so easy, but you just have
(40:33):
to do it.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
That's yeah, that's that. That's interesting. That's interesting. What what
what do you think in terms of of you personally?
How are you going to how are you going to
grow your business. You're just going to kind of keep
doing what you're doing, or you can actually put some
(40:55):
sort of do you have a goal, do you like
have an X amount of number of people you want
to if you want to help or is there no limit?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So as an engineer, I'm an a planner.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Let's put it out shocking shocking, I know, and I've put.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
A probably too much thought into how i want my
business to go. And I'm fifty one years old, so
at this point I'm not trying to run the world.
I actually really like the space that I'm in right now.
I can help between ten and fifteen golfers per month
and still be able to give them my full attention.
Any more than that I would have to bring on
(41:33):
a junior coach or additional members. And anyone who runs
a business, more employees does not always equal more freedom.
And so this is the space I want to be in,
is about ten to fifteen clients per month, because again
I can personally assist them. When you get bigger than that,
you just can't give people the personal attention. And this
(41:55):
is what gives me pleasure, is having the personal relationships
with my clients. Of that being said, the places I
like to grow is to be a bigger voice for
golfers to understand where what can really move a needle,
especially as you get older. I love doing podcasts and
networking with people. I've got a TED talk coming up
(42:17):
next year. So those places for growth are exciting. Uh,
and I can still maintain the integrity of my coaching
business at the same time. Wow.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Man, So so you've never thought about that answer before?
Because I'll tell you what, that was actually pretty solid.
And that was pretty solid. I mean, we thought about it,
we covered that one before. Wow, wow, somebody else you
asked yourself that question before I asked it to you.
That was pretty good. That was pretty good. So okay,
so you're on.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Your own business. That's twenty four to seven thinking about
your business.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Yeah, I hear, I know that. I know that. What
So that's that's pretty neat. So So I like I
like how you. I like how you you you know, small, dedicated, dedicated, small, whatever,
you know, fifteen twenty people. I'm not saying that's small,
but you know that's that's it's very very very good
of you two to to know, I think, to know
(43:13):
what your capabilities are, you know, and what's your biggest
impact is with how many? How many people? Because I,
you know, I know golf professional, like you know I
I only teach like seven seven days, you know, seven
lessons a week. And it's because I'm in such you know,
that's that's where I can do the most amount of good.
Well are you sure you know what I mean? And
then and then I have the other ones to say,
(43:35):
you know what, I charge X amount of exorbitant amount
of money, and that tells me you don't want to teach,
you know what I mean? So that's that's really that's
really interesting. You guys set that number, so all of.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Us finding a balance between you know, who we can
help and the reach we can have, but also we
need to still have our own lives and our own balance.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah. That's as I get older, I hear that work
life balance thing, and I thought it was like a
twenty four year old thing. But I don't think it is.
I don't think it is. I don't think it's supposed
to be something it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
When you've been in business for a long time, though,
your experience has earned you the right to make your
own rules.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Wow, I'm going to write that one down. My experience
has allowed me to learn that make my own rules.
I like that. I like that. So so how much
do you let me ask you this question? How much?
Because you have fifteen twenty how much? How much do
you evaluate or how often do you evaluate? Or is
it or is it student based your your thought processes
(44:40):
on how all this works? Like you like obviously a
dermatologist you're an hour just knows this is what analergy
looks like. But do you ever are you ever going
to go back and do more training or always? Are
you always doing more training so you can make a
bigger impact with you with your clients.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Well, I'm sticking with the online format as far as training.
I'm not going to go back to in person, one
on one training as a business model. However, the one
piece I'm adding this year is in person intensive at
I would say country clubs that have the membership that
can support, you know, bringing someone in from another state passively.
(45:21):
So that'll be starting in Florida later this year. So
that'll be a fun way to still be connected to
two people. So that would be the next step in
my training.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Wow, that's that's really that's really cool. That's really cool.
So so basically, the sky's the limit and because you
have you have really good control of what you're doing.
Did you out Okay? So let me ask you this question,
because we only have a few minutes left. Did you
ever like if I could, if I could hit rewind
and make you twenty five years old again, and you're
a newly minted engineer from the University of Cincinnati. You know,
(45:54):
go bearcats, But did you ever could you in your
wad streams thought you'd be doing this today?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Absolutely not. And maybe that's the lesson that we take
away from this is to be open to whatever opportunities
come across your way and be brave enough to do them,
because there are not many people who are brave enough
to just start their own business and start from scratch
and take the risks. But it is one hundred percent possible.
(46:24):
And in three years that I've been online again, I
would have never imagined to be in golf fitness, for sure,
But to the extent that I am now speaking with
you like, it's wonderful. And you just have to believe
in yourself, whether it's doing your golf fitness to be
the best on the golf course or starting a business.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Wow, that's yeah. I guess maybe, I guess maybe the
I think the word that actually comes true with all
that is faith. If you have faith in yourself, I mean,
do you believe you can do this and if you do,
it'll work itself out. And if you don't believe in that, that's,
in my opinion, that's when people kind of look away
from opportunities.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
You know what I mean, it's hard to take on opportunities,
and even in your health and fitness, there's so many
excuses out there, and it's so easy to rely upon
excuses to not do the work. It's not in my DNA,
so it's hard for me to understand, but I know that, Yeah,
excusees are easy. It's easier to stay in your comfort
(47:27):
zone than it is to actually try to get better.
But I imagine, you know, people who are listening to
this are here because they are obsessed with golf. They
love golf and they want to be better at it,
and they're not excuse makers.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
There you go. Well, Carrie, I tell you what this
has flown by for me. I cannot tell you how
much I appreciate your time. Once you get up and
move into Florida and things like that. I'll reach out.
I'll reach out maybe the beginning of next year, and
we'll catch up and see where everything stands with you.
Is it okay?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
My pleasure?
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Thank you, Kerrie, thank you so much. This is the
Rich Come Woll Golf Show.
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