October 10, 2025 • 20 mins
What you need to know about the government shutdown, including new comments from congressional leaders and President Trump, and a live report from Capitol Hill with Fox News Radio Congressional Correspondent Ryan Schmelz. Plus, Axios White House Reporter Marc Caputo discusses the Trump administration's involvement in the shutdown, and Aviation Analyst Jay Ratliff breaks down the government shutdown's impact on air travel.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Senators have left Washington, d C. Without a deal to
end the government shutdown, which means it's definitely going to
reach the two week mark on Tuesday. Bills from both
parties to fund the government went nowhere yesterday, the seventh
time that both measures have failed. Signed from the failed votes,
it was more of the same from congressional leaders, lots
of blaming the other sign for the shutdown. Here's how
Speaker Mike Johnson, speaking before that seventh vote failed.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We've done our job, and the Democrats need to do theirs.
Now that ball has been sent to the other court.
That is the place where it lands right now. Six times.
I remind you they voted to shut it down. And
this is not a game. Chuck Schumer thinks it is.
He says, quote, every day of the shutdown gets better
for us. What the heck is he talking about? All
(00:44):
of us, All of us on this side were kept
up at night. This is a sad situation and we've
got to get through.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Johnson, referring to a really stupid and tone deaf comment
Chuck Schumer made yesterday. He is just so awful and messaging.
But Schumer showed no signs of budget and pointed the
finger right back at Johnson and Republicans.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
People will go bankrupt, people will get sick, people will die,
all because the Speaker shows to keep the House on
vacation rather than come to work to negotiate with Democrats
to fix this healthcare crisis and end their Trump shutdown.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
President Trump also commented on the shutdown during his Cabinet
meeting yesterday, issuing this threat, We'll be.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Cutting some very popular Democrat programs that aren't popular with
Republicans frctly because that's the way it works. They wanted
to do this, and we'll be making cuts that will
be permanent, and we're only going to cut Democrat programs.
I hate to tell you, I guess that makes sense,
but we're only cutting Democrat programs.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
So aside from all of that, I thought the most
notable developments were these. You had Speaker Mike Johnson telling
Axios that of course Congress will make sure furloughed federal
workers get back paid once the shutdown ends, and Minority
Leader Hakim Jeffries said that he would support a standalone
bill to pay military personnel during the shutdown, they are
(02:06):
set to go without a paycheck. Coming up on the fifteenth. Now.
House Speaker Mike Johnson said he'd support that too earlier
in the week, but then walked that back on Wednesday
and said this yesterday when asked about it by a reporter.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We have already voted to pay the troops. We did
it three weeks ago. We put that bill on the
floor and the Republicans voted to pay the troops, TSA
agent's border patrol, air traffic control, and everybody else.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
The Democrats voted no.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Go pull the record.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was three weeks ago we had the vote. Only
one Democrat voted with us to pay the troops. We've
done it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The House has done its job.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
The reason the House isn't here in regular session is
because they turned the lights off.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So what he's talking about is the full funding bill,
not a standalone bill, just making sure the troops get paid.
And with that deadline looming next week, you know Wednesday
again when active duty military members would missed their first paycheck,
watch that push for a standalone bill, including from House.
Because there are more cracks right now in the Republican
coalition than the Democratic coalition. Uh and I think that
(03:06):
military pay issue is going to be a huge one.
And that explanation for not voting for it from Johnsen
that's not going to hold up. So that's what I'll
be looking for over the course of the next couple
of days. Let's go to the hotline and bring in
Fox News Radio congressional correspondent Ryan Schmels coming to us
live from d C with the latest on the government
shut down. And Ryan, yesterday was a big day because
(03:28):
the votes failed yet again in the Senate and the
Senate left they're out until Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Yeah they are, yeah, so uh yeah, we're not a
I It got to a point where it just felt
like every everybody was going through the motions right like,
we're just going to vote on this bill again. Nobody's
talking to anybody, nobody's negotiating. Here's big being a little
bit of talks here and there, but it didn't really
amounted to anything. And then you have uh, you know,
fights flat out breaking out in the house or verbal
(03:56):
fights breaking out, and you know, there there was you
know what was funny is that everyone's kind of saying, well,
why isn't the House in session? Why can you believe
Speaker Johnson not bringing them back? And then you see
how bad these tensions are and some people are like, oh, well,
it's probably Besty not even here because this thing is
blowing over really bad.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So with the Senate out until Tuesday, that guarantee service
members are going to miss their paycheck on the fifteenth,
I thought the most notable development to me, and I
want to get your thoughts on this, was House Minority
Leader a Keem Jeffrey saying that he would support a
standalone bill to pay military personnel during the shutdown. Now,
House Speaker Mike Johnson have floated that idea earlier in
(04:34):
the week, and then he reversed course and basically said, well,
we passed the full funding bill that would have paid
the military. I don't want to do a standalone bill.
I don't think that position is going to be tenable
if you've got Democrats who would be behind something like that.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Yeah, I mean that's the way for Hackeen Jeffery to
put pressure on Speaker Johnson. And you know, but the
reality is that, you know, Republicans have held firm and
they still feel that the offer that they made a Democrats,
which is that clean extension of funding until mid to
late November, is a good deal, and they should just
accept it and we can then negotiate everything else after that,
(05:11):
Because what Republicans are arguing is that, look, it's a
seven week extension of government funding. You don't put a
permanent extension of a tax credit program into something like that,
and you don't try to negotiate changes to the powers
of the executive branch either. So Republicans are saying, look,
these are not conversations we should be having right now,
(05:32):
especially over a seven week spending proposal, especially if it's
a long term healthcare policy issue that can be very complicated.
You can't negotiate that in a matter of weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Another thing that stood out to me it seemed like
there was an idea that was being floated around of
some kind of a guarantee on a vote in the
Senate for the Obamacare subsidies, something that could end the
shutdown and get enough Democrats to switch their their vote.
(06:07):
What are you hearing about something like that coming from
Majority Leader John Done.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I mean, there's been talks about it, but I hadn't
really materialized into anything just yet, you know, Doing, I
think has that he he would have conversations about these
Affordable Care Act tax subs that but he says that
the program needs to be significantly reformed. So you know,
there are some small talks going on, but it doesn't
seem like there's any hard negotiations. I mean, there was
(06:34):
one senator on the Republican side yesterday who had at
one point been one of the people who had been
talking to Democrats, and we asked, well, you give an
update on the negotiations over the Affordable Care Act tax
subs that he said there are none, very bluntly, So
it doesn't look like this is really going anywhere as
of right now, and that's why you're seeing the Senate
leave for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It also seems like i' we're joined by Fox New's
radio congressional correspondent Ryan Schmel's Democrats are in lockstep on
this one.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You've mentioned numerous times that the Republicans are as well.
I've seen I think a few more cracks on the
Republican side, like Marjorie Taylor Green and a few others.
But Democrats they seem like they're in lockstep and they're
not budging anytime soon. Although I got to say Chuck
Schumer saying every day gets better for us during the
(07:23):
shutdown that that did not go over well, and I
don't even think Democrats loved that comment. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Well, and that's one of those comments that gets made
when you're in the until of a shutdown and everyone
starts to talk about this idea. Well, once, I just
going to crack because people just get exhausted after a while.
And that's kind of what happened during the month long
shutdown in twenty nineteen. It just kind of got to
a point where they just couldn't drag on anymore. They
had to they had just ended. And you know that
(07:50):
a comment like that could add to the pressure for
Democrats to be like, look, you know, Republicans have said
they negotiate with us on these affordable care actech subsidies.
Let's just take that as a win to get out
of here. We don't don't have any indication that's going
to happen as of right now, but you know, there
there always is. I thought that this, if this just
drags on, someone's going to get exhausted and decide to move.
(08:11):
And you know, you hear some cracks on the Republican side,
but I don't think there's cracks are Oh yeah, let's
attach the tax credits to the bill. Now, I have
Republicans think that they made a good offer and they
did their job like doing the clean extension, but you
know that they're open to doing it separately, and I
(08:32):
think that's where Republicans are.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Last thing I want to ask you about. You've got
the President very busy with this Middle East peace plan,
very focused on that. He has made some comments on
the government shutdown. How much has the White House been
involved in all of this, how much have they been
talking and communicating with lawmakers? And do you expect that
to pick up maybe next week after he returns from
the Middle East.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
I think it's very possible the President gets back involved.
We haven't really seen him, you know, way in too
much on this. He's been very centric on the Middle East.
It's his point man on the government shutdowns. Either been JD.
Banter or it's been russ Though those have probably been
the two leading voices on this issue, and they consistently
said they felt like they've done their job and that
they kind of are unlockstep with Dune about saying if
(09:14):
they feel the offer that has been made was a
good one, but it hasn't moved at all. So yeah, Yeah,
I think there is a thought that if President Trump
weighs in on this government shutdown situation, that can move
the needle at least maybe if it's either a negotiation
or just a plan on the ACA. But as of
right now, that's not happened.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
All right, Fox News Radio Congressional correspondent Ryan Schmell's. You
can follow him on x for more at Ryan Schmell's Fox. Ryan,
appreciate time and insight. Have a great weekend, you too, Ryan,
have you go go to the hotline and bring in
Axios White House reporter Mark Kapudo. You can find all
of his reporting and a whole lot more at axios
dot com. Mark, thanks so much for coming on the
(09:54):
show this morning. And before we get to your latest
report on furloughed worker pay, can you give us a
census to how involved the White House has been in
the government shutdown strategy, messaging, negotiations, all of that.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
I don't think there's much negotiations going on, so not
much at all. What's odd about this shutdown is there
hasn't really been that much of a sense of urgency.
I suspect that changes essentially starting today. Today's the day
that government workers, federal government workers get their last paycheck.
(10:31):
So what happens going forward is going to be more
intense because you know, seven hundred and fifty thousand people
are going to start feeling the real pinch of this.
Troops aren't going to get paid, Various programs are going
to get unfunded, and the pressure is going to ratchet up.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, we have heard from the White House, through some
things that members of the administration have said and reporting
like yours, is that perhaps some of these furlough workers
won't get back pay, and there was also talk of
mass firings taking place during this government shut down on
(11:09):
the furloughed worker pay issue. Explain how this view has
evolved to where again, maybe some of these federal employees
they don't get the back pay that they would normally expect.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I think it's more the issue of whether they're guaranteed
it or not. And up until last week, everyone's assumption
is that federal workers who get furloughed through no fault
of their own are guaranteed back pay once the government reopens,
and people base that on a law at the time.
It's called GEFTA. By the way, it's nicknamed that which
(11:44):
in twenty nineteen was signed by Donald Trump that appeared
to guarantee it. The thing was is that the law
was subsequently amended with language that gave a different interpretation
of this guarantee. And now the White House is reading
and they have produced contemporary it is emails from twenty
nineteen showing it is that it's not entitlement to get
(12:09):
paid back pay for a furlough through that was through
no fault of your own. If you're a federal worker.
Congress needs to specifically say, Okay, we're setting aside money
to reimburse to give back pay to these furloughed workers,
and we're going to specifically vote on that issue. It's
kind of a hyper technical thing because in the end,
(12:31):
Congress is probably going to do it anyway. But the
reason it is cropped up as an issue is it's
just a sort of another leverage point for President Trump
to use in this standoff with Congress. He's saying, as
you'd pointed out, on one hand, Okay, guys, if you
want to shut down the government, we might start laying
people off. Don't throw me in that brier patch. I'm
(12:52):
a Republican. I want to reduce the size of government anyway.
Argument one. Argument two is like, Okay, maybe some of
the people that we don't fire, you might just not
give them their money when they come back. You guys
need to come to the table Democrats and make a deal.
Now that hasn't been explicitly said like that, but it's
pretty clear where the White House is going with this
sort of posturing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Last question for you. We've really seen House Speaker Mike
Johnson Senate Majority Leader John Dune out in front on
all of this. You've got the President set to take
this trip over to the Middle East, obviously that has
been a huge deal. Upon his return, do you see
him taking a more active role in all of this.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yes, you've implicitly hit on something unknown's really reported much about.
It's like Donald Trump is really not that focus on
this issue, right, Yeah, and the members of the legislative
branch have and that's probably going to change as again,
the pressure.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Sort of ratchets up as people start to say, oh
my god, how am I going to pay the bills?
Who are federal government workers, and then other people who
use federal government services that are now essentially defunct or
on pause are going to say, well, you know, what
happened to my government functioning?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Axios White House reporter Markapudo with us. You can find
all of this reporting on this and a whole lot
more at axios dot com. Mark always appreciate time and insight.
Thanks so much, Thank you A Mutch. Let's come to
the hotline and bring in our aviation analyst, Jay Ratlift,
to talk about how the government shutdown is impacting air
travel across the country. Jay, really appreciate you taking a
few minutes to come back on the show. So what
(14:27):
do we need to know about these delays that we're
starting to see pomp up at airports in major cities?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
You know, right.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
One of the nice things about conversations with you is
that we always have a way of looking at specific stories,
regardless of how they're fun and many times used for
you know, people trying to make certain points. And I've
been getting so many calls for comments with regard to Jay.
The Bourbank Airport, you know, we had new air traffic
controllers and it was actually cut down and we had
(14:56):
to have a remote air traffic control center monitor the
flight activity, and oh my gosh, isn't that horrible? And
we had a similar situation in Dallas and in Chicago,
and I understand that, and we have many times had
this exact thing situation happen without any of the media outcry.
In fact, it's been pointed out more than a few
(15:18):
times that over the last nine months, Ryan this has
happened more than a thousand times, and it happened because
of the shortage of air traffic controllers. Now there was
not the media outrage and all the other coverage that
we've seen of late because the shutdown seems to be
maybe passing a spotlight on it. I don't know, but
the way the air traffic control towers are operated is
(15:41):
if we do not have adequate staffing or no staffing,
there is a plan in place where things pivot to
a remote, designated secondary air traffic control center that will
handle the arrivals departure of that specific airport. Is ideal, no,
but it is something that allows us to mean pain
safety within the aviation that work. Pilots are trained aircraftic controllers,
(16:04):
they're trained, and everything is as it could be.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
One of the problems we have now that's kind of
making that scenario worse is you have air traffic controllers
that are not getting paid. They're being required to work,
and next well Tuesday, I believe is coming up here,
they'll be getting a partial paycheck, and then two weeks later,
on the twenty eighth of this continues, they'll be getting
no paycheck. And a lot of these men and women ran,
(16:30):
they don't have four or five thick weeks of savings
set aside, so it's a matter of look, I've got
to put food on the table, I've got to pay
my rent.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And many of these.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
Individuals have secondary jobs that they can immediately go to
and get paid for. Is they work, they can call
in sick and then they can take care of that.
And obviously a lot of these people don't want to
let their coworkers down because we've talked before about how
short staff they are and how they're working over time.
And the last thing you want to do is make
somebody's job more difficult that you work with. But if
(17:01):
it comes down to my kids having food or my
co worker, obviously the family's going to come first. So
right now we've got this scenario where more and more
people are calling in thick simply because they've got you know,
it's not that you just want to sit them on
their button do nothing. A lot of them are struggling
to try to pay the bills. The thing that I'm
looking at here is we're sick week away from the
(17:24):
business travel week of the year and Thanksgivin. And if
we run into this situation that goes a little bit further,
we could be starting to come into play with that.
We cannot have the same scenario right now with own
not only a reduced number of air traffic controllers, but
an additional number of people calling in thick and expect
(17:45):
that week to go move. I mean, that will simply
not happen. So there's more and more pressure right now
with the industry to you know, add pressure hopefully to
get this cutdown taken care of. Because we just before
Ryan the aviation world. It's five percent of the country's
GDP is aviation driven. So that's an important part of
(18:07):
the American economic engine, and if you start having issues
with this, it's going to affect the overall economy to
a certain point, and you don't want to have that
issue on top of everything else.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
We're joined by our aviation analyst, Jay Ratliffe, and we've
seen in the past, especially back in twenty nineteen with
the shutdown that went for over thirty days that it
was some of that air travel chaos that really started
to put pressure on lawmakers to reach a deal.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
It was, in fact, that's when we had to bring
in military air traffic controllers to assist because we were
short staff then as much as we are now. We've
been battling this for over a decade plus with regards
to the shortage of air traffic controller. So it is
something that's getting more and more pressure, and you just
don't know who's going to blink first. You know, you
(18:55):
kind of hope there's a compromise where we can just
you know, both sides are for a little then we
just move on. But you know, when you've got one
side that seems to be unusually so for them kind
of digging their heels in and saying, hey, look this
is the way it's going to be, it's going to
be interesting to see how things pan out. But you know,
obviously I feel for everybody that's being affected. And in
(19:15):
the world of the FAA, we have let's say fifty
thousand employees and round numbers and they say eleven thousand
or not essential employees, And I really had a hard
time with that word. I would agree they're less essential employees,
but I would never call them, you know, not a centil.
Because everybody plays an important role and they're needed. We
need to get them back at work as quickly as possible,
(19:36):
and I'm certainly hoping that that happens sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
All Right, our aviation analyst Jay Ratliffe with us talking
about how the government shutdown is impacting air travel across
the country. Jay, really appreciate the time and insight. Thanks
so much. Yeah, it's always my player, So Ryan Gorman
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Senators have left Washington, d C. Without a deal to
end the government shutdown, which means it's definitely going to
reach the two week mark on Tuesday. Bills from both
parties to fund the government went nowhere yesterday, the seventh
time that both measures have failed. Signed from the failed votes,
it was more of the same from congressional leaders, lots
of blaming the other sign for the shutdown. Here's how
Speaker Mike Johnson, speaking before that seventh vote failed.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We've done our job, and the Democrats need to do theirs.
Now that ball has been sent to the other court.
That is the place where it lands right now. Six times.
I remind you they voted to shut it down. And
this is not a game. Chuck Schumer thinks it is.
He says, quote, every day of the shutdown gets better
for us. What the heck is he talking about? All
(00:44):
of us, All of us on this side were kept
up at night. This is a sad situation and we've
got to get through.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Johnson, referring to a really stupid and tone deaf comment
Chuck Schumer made yesterday. He is just so awful and messaging.
But Schumer showed no signs of budget and pointed the
finger right back at Johnson and Republicans.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
People will go bankrupt, people will get sick, people will die,
all because the Speaker shows to keep the House on
vacation rather than come to work to negotiate with Democrats
to fix this healthcare crisis and end their Trump shutdown.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
President Trump also commented on the shutdown during his Cabinet
meeting yesterday, issuing this threat, We'll be.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Cutting some very popular Democrat programs that aren't popular with
Republicans frctly because that's the way it works. They wanted
to do this, and we'll be making cuts that will
be permanent, and we're only going to cut Democrat programs.
I hate to tell you, I guess that makes sense,
but we're only cutting Democrat programs.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
So aside from all of that, I thought the most
notable developments were these. You had Speaker Mike Johnson telling
Axios that of course Congress will make sure furloughed federal
workers get back paid once the shutdown ends, and Minority
Leader Hakim Jeffries said that he would support a standalone
bill to pay military personnel during the shutdown, they are
(02:06):
set to go without a paycheck. Coming up on the fifteenth. Now.
House Speaker Mike Johnson said he'd support that too earlier
in the week, but then walked that back on Wednesday
and said this yesterday when asked about it by a reporter.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
We have already voted to pay the troops. We did
it three weeks ago. We put that bill on the
floor and the Republicans voted to pay the troops, TSA
agent's border patrol, air traffic control, and everybody else.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
The Democrats voted no.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Go pull the record.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
It was three weeks ago we had the vote. Only
one Democrat voted with us to pay the troops. We've
done it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The House has done its job.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
The reason the House isn't here in regular session is
because they turned the lights off.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So what he's talking about is the full funding bill,
not a standalone bill, just making sure the troops get paid.
And with that deadline looming next week, you know Wednesday
again when active duty military members would missed their first paycheck,
watch that push for a standalone bill, including from House.
Because there are more cracks right now in the Republican
coalition than the Democratic coalition. Uh and I think that
(03:06):
military pay issue is going to be a huge one.
And that explanation for not voting for it from Johnsen
that's not going to hold up. So that's what I'll
be looking for over the course of the next couple
of days. Let's go to the hotline and bring in
Fox News Radio congressional correspondent Ryan Schmels coming to us
live from d C with the latest on the government
shut down. And Ryan, yesterday was a big day because
(03:28):
the votes failed yet again in the Senate and the
Senate left they're out until Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Yeah they are, yeah, so uh yeah, we're not a
I It got to a point where it just felt
like every everybody was going through the motions right like,
we're just going to vote on this bill again. Nobody's
talking to anybody, nobody's negotiating. Here's big being a little
bit of talks here and there, but it didn't really
amounted to anything. And then you have uh, you know,
fights flat out breaking out in the house or verbal
(03:56):
fights breaking out, and you know, there there was you
know what was funny is that everyone's kind of saying, well,
why isn't the House in session? Why can you believe
Speaker Johnson not bringing them back? And then you see
how bad these tensions are and some people are like, oh, well,
it's probably Besty not even here because this thing is
blowing over really bad.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So with the Senate out until Tuesday, that guarantee service
members are going to miss their paycheck on the fifteenth,
I thought the most notable development to me, and I
want to get your thoughts on this, was House Minority
Leader a Keem Jeffrey saying that he would support a
standalone bill to pay military personnel during the shutdown. Now,
House Speaker Mike Johnson have floated that idea earlier in
(04:34):
the week, and then he reversed course and basically said, well,
we passed the full funding bill that would have paid
the military. I don't want to do a standalone bill.
I don't think that position is going to be tenable
if you've got Democrats who would be behind something like that.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Yeah, I mean that's the way for Hackeen Jeffery to
put pressure on Speaker Johnson. And you know, but the
reality is that, you know, Republicans have held firm and
they still feel that the offer that they made a Democrats,
which is that clean extension of funding until mid to
late November, is a good deal, and they should just
accept it and we can then negotiate everything else after that,
(05:11):
Because what Republicans are arguing is that, look, it's a
seven week extension of government funding. You don't put a
permanent extension of a tax credit program into something like that,
and you don't try to negotiate changes to the powers
of the executive branch either. So Republicans are saying, look,
these are not conversations we should be having right now,
(05:32):
especially over a seven week spending proposal, especially if it's
a long term healthcare policy issue that can be very complicated.
You can't negotiate that in a matter of weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Another thing that stood out to me it seemed like
there was an idea that was being floated around of
some kind of a guarantee on a vote in the
Senate for the Obamacare subsidies, something that could end the
shutdown and get enough Democrats to switch their their vote.
(06:07):
What are you hearing about something like that coming from
Majority Leader John Done.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I mean, there's been talks about it, but I hadn't
really materialized into anything just yet, you know, Doing, I
think has that he he would have conversations about these
Affordable Care Act tax subs that but he says that
the program needs to be significantly reformed. So you know,
there are some small talks going on, but it doesn't
seem like there's any hard negotiations. I mean, there was
(06:34):
one senator on the Republican side yesterday who had at
one point been one of the people who had been
talking to Democrats, and we asked, well, you give an
update on the negotiations over the Affordable Care Act tax
subs that he said there are none, very bluntly, So
it doesn't look like this is really going anywhere as
of right now, and that's why you're seeing the Senate
leave for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It also seems like i' we're joined by Fox New's
radio congressional correspondent Ryan Schmel's Democrats are in lockstep on
this one.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
You've mentioned numerous times that the Republicans are as well.
I've seen I think a few more cracks on the
Republican side, like Marjorie Taylor Green and a few others.
But Democrats they seem like they're in lockstep and they're
not budging anytime soon. Although I got to say Chuck
Schumer saying every day gets better for us during the
(07:23):
shutdown that that did not go over well, and I
don't even think Democrats loved that comment. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Well, and that's one of those comments that gets made
when you're in the until of a shutdown and everyone
starts to talk about this idea. Well, once, I just
going to crack because people just get exhausted after a while.
And that's kind of what happened during the month long
shutdown in twenty nineteen. It just kind of got to
a point where they just couldn't drag on anymore. They
had to they had just ended. And you know that
(07:50):
a comment like that could add to the pressure for
Democrats to be like, look, you know, Republicans have said
they negotiate with us on these affordable care actech subsidies.
Let's just take that as a win to get out
of here. We don't don't have any indication that's going
to happen as of right now, but you know, there
there always is. I thought that this, if this just
drags on, someone's going to get exhausted and decide to move.
(08:11):
And you know, you hear some cracks on the Republican side,
but I don't think there's cracks are Oh yeah, let's
attach the tax credits to the bill. Now, I have
Republicans think that they made a good offer and they
did their job like doing the clean extension, but you
know that they're open to doing it separately, and I
(08:32):
think that's where Republicans are.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Last thing I want to ask you about. You've got
the President very busy with this Middle East peace plan,
very focused on that. He has made some comments on
the government shutdown. How much has the White House been
involved in all of this, how much have they been
talking and communicating with lawmakers? And do you expect that
to pick up maybe next week after he returns from
the Middle East.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
I think it's very possible the President gets back involved.
We haven't really seen him, you know, way in too
much on this. He's been very centric on the Middle East.
It's his point man on the government shutdowns. Either been JD.
Banter or it's been russ Though those have probably been
the two leading voices on this issue, and they consistently
said they felt like they've done their job and that
they kind of are unlockstep with Dune about saying if
(09:14):
they feel the offer that has been made was a
good one, but it hasn't moved at all. So yeah, Yeah,
I think there is a thought that if President Trump
weighs in on this government shutdown situation, that can move
the needle at least maybe if it's either a negotiation
or just a plan on the ACA. But as of
right now, that's not happened.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
All right, Fox News Radio Congressional correspondent Ryan Schmell's. You
can follow him on x for more at Ryan Schmell's Fox. Ryan,
appreciate time and insight. Have a great weekend, you too, Ryan,
have you go go to the hotline and bring in
Axios White House reporter Mark Kapudo. You can find all
of his reporting and a whole lot more at axios
dot com. Mark, thanks so much for coming on the
(09:54):
show this morning. And before we get to your latest
report on furloughed worker pay, can you give us a
census to how involved the White House has been in
the government shutdown strategy, messaging, negotiations, all of that.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
I don't think there's much negotiations going on, so not
much at all. What's odd about this shutdown is there
hasn't really been that much of a sense of urgency.
I suspect that changes essentially starting today. Today's the day
that government workers, federal government workers get their last paycheck.
(10:31):
So what happens going forward is going to be more
intense because you know, seven hundred and fifty thousand people
are going to start feeling the real pinch of this.
Troops aren't going to get paid, Various programs are going
to get unfunded, and the pressure is going to ratchet up.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, we have heard from the White House, through some
things that members of the administration have said and reporting
like yours, is that perhaps some of these furlough workers
won't get back pay, and there was also talk of
mass firings taking place during this government shut down on
(11:09):
the furloughed worker pay issue. Explain how this view has
evolved to where again, maybe some of these federal employees
they don't get the back pay that they would normally expect.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I think it's more the issue of whether they're guaranteed
it or not. And up until last week, everyone's assumption
is that federal workers who get furloughed through no fault
of their own are guaranteed back pay once the government reopens,
and people base that on a law at the time.
It's called GEFTA. By the way, it's nicknamed that which
(11:44):
in twenty nineteen was signed by Donald Trump that appeared
to guarantee it. The thing was is that the law
was subsequently amended with language that gave a different interpretation
of this guarantee. And now the White House is reading
and they have produced contemporary it is emails from twenty
nineteen showing it is that it's not entitlement to get
(12:09):
paid back pay for a furlough through that was through
no fault of your own. If you're a federal worker.
Congress needs to specifically say, Okay, we're setting aside money
to reimburse to give back pay to these furloughed workers,
and we're going to specifically vote on that issue. It's
kind of a hyper technical thing because in the end,
(12:31):
Congress is probably going to do it anyway. But the
reason it is cropped up as an issue is it's
just a sort of another leverage point for President Trump
to use in this standoff with Congress. He's saying, as
you'd pointed out, on one hand, Okay, guys, if you
want to shut down the government, we might start laying
people off. Don't throw me in that brier patch. I'm
(12:52):
a Republican. I want to reduce the size of government anyway.
Argument one. Argument two is like, Okay, maybe some of
the people that we don't fire, you might just not
give them their money when they come back. You guys
need to come to the table Democrats and make a deal.
Now that hasn't been explicitly said like that, but it's
pretty clear where the White House is going with this
sort of posturing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Last question for you. We've really seen House Speaker Mike
Johnson Senate Majority Leader John Dune out in front on
all of this. You've got the President set to take
this trip over to the Middle East, obviously that has
been a huge deal. Upon his return, do you see
him taking a more active role in all of this.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yes, you've implicitly hit on something unknown's really reported much about.
It's like Donald Trump is really not that focus on
this issue, right, Yeah, and the members of the legislative
branch have and that's probably going to change as again,
the pressure.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Sort of ratchets up as people start to say, oh
my god, how am I going to pay the bills?
Who are federal government workers, and then other people who
use federal government services that are now essentially defunct or
on pause are going to say, well, you know, what
happened to my government functioning?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Axios White House reporter Markapudo with us. You can find
all of this reporting on this and a whole lot
more at axios dot com. Mark always appreciate time and insight.
Thanks so much, Thank you A Mutch. Let's come to
the hotline and bring in our aviation analyst, Jay Ratlift,
to talk about how the government shutdown is impacting air
travel across the country. Jay, really appreciate you taking a
few minutes to come back on the show. So what
(14:27):
do we need to know about these delays that we're
starting to see pomp up at airports in major cities?
Speaker 5 (14:33):
You know, right.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
One of the nice things about conversations with you is
that we always have a way of looking at specific stories,
regardless of how they're fun and many times used for
you know, people trying to make certain points. And I've
been getting so many calls for comments with regard to Jay.
The Bourbank Airport, you know, we had new air traffic
controllers and it was actually cut down and we had
(14:56):
to have a remote air traffic control center monitor the
flight activity, and oh my gosh, isn't that horrible? And
we had a similar situation in Dallas and in Chicago,
and I understand that, and we have many times had
this exact thing situation happen without any of the media outcry.
In fact, it's been pointed out more than a few
(15:18):
times that over the last nine months, Ryan this has
happened more than a thousand times, and it happened because
of the shortage of air traffic controllers. Now there was
not the media outrage and all the other coverage that
we've seen of late because the shutdown seems to be
maybe passing a spotlight on it. I don't know, but
the way the air traffic control towers are operated is
(15:41):
if we do not have adequate staffing or no staffing,
there is a plan in place where things pivot to
a remote, designated secondary air traffic control center that will
handle the arrivals departure of that specific airport. Is ideal, no,
but it is something that allows us to mean pain
safety within the aviation that work. Pilots are trained aircraftic controllers,
(16:04):
they're trained, and everything is as it could be.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Now.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
One of the problems we have now that's kind of
making that scenario worse is you have air traffic controllers
that are not getting paid. They're being required to work,
and next well Tuesday, I believe is coming up here,
they'll be getting a partial paycheck, and then two weeks later,
on the twenty eighth of this continues, they'll be getting
no paycheck. And a lot of these men and women ran,
(16:30):
they don't have four or five thick weeks of savings
set aside, so it's a matter of look, I've got
to put food on the table, I've got to pay
my rent.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And many of these.
Speaker 8 (16:40):
Individuals have secondary jobs that they can immediately go to
and get paid for. Is they work, they can call
in sick and then they can take care of that.
And obviously a lot of these people don't want to
let their coworkers down because we've talked before about how
short staff they are and how they're working over time.
And the last thing you want to do is make
somebody's job more difficult that you work with. But if
(17:01):
it comes down to my kids having food or my
co worker, obviously the family's going to come first. So
right now we've got this scenario where more and more
people are calling in thick simply because they've got you know,
it's not that you just want to sit them on
their button do nothing. A lot of them are struggling
to try to pay the bills. The thing that I'm
looking at here is we're sick week away from the
(17:24):
business travel week of the year and Thanksgivin. And if
we run into this situation that goes a little bit further,
we could be starting to come into play with that.
We cannot have the same scenario right now with own
not only a reduced number of air traffic controllers, but
an additional number of people calling in thick and expect
(17:45):
that week to go move. I mean, that will simply
not happen. So there's more and more pressure right now
with the industry to you know, add pressure hopefully to
get this cutdown taken care of. Because we just before
Ryan the aviation world. It's five percent of the country's
GDP is aviation driven. So that's an important part of
(18:07):
the American economic engine, and if you start having issues
with this, it's going to affect the overall economy to
a certain point, and you don't want to have that
issue on top of everything else.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
We're joined by our aviation analyst, Jay Ratliffe, and we've
seen in the past, especially back in twenty nineteen with
the shutdown that went for over thirty days that it
was some of that air travel chaos that really started
to put pressure on lawmakers to reach a deal.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
It was, in fact, that's when we had to bring
in military air traffic controllers to assist because we were
short staff then as much as we are now. We've
been battling this for over a decade plus with regards
to the shortage of air traffic controller. So it is
something that's getting more and more pressure, and you just
don't know who's going to blink first. You know, you
(18:55):
kind of hope there's a compromise where we can just
you know, both sides are for a little then we
just move on. But you know, when you've got one
side that seems to be unusually so for them kind
of digging their heels in and saying, hey, look this
is the way it's going to be, it's going to
be interesting to see how things pan out. But you know,
obviously I feel for everybody that's being affected. And in
(19:15):
the world of the FAA, we have let's say fifty
thousand employees and round numbers and they say eleven thousand
or not essential employees, And I really had a hard
time with that word. I would agree they're less essential employees,
but I would never call them, you know, not a centil.
Because everybody plays an important role and they're needed. We
need to get them back at work as quickly as possible,
(19:36):
and I'm certainly hoping that that happens sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
All Right, our aviation analyst Jay Ratliffe with us talking
about how the government shutdown is impacting air travel across
the country. Jay, really appreciate the time and insight. Thanks
so much. Yeah, it's always my player, So Ryan Gorman
Show on news radio WFLA.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
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