October 16, 2025 • 24 mins
The U.S. issues a direct warning to Hamas to end the violence in Gaza amid escalating tensions and renewed clashes. ABC News Correspondent Jordana Miller reports live from Israel with the latest on-the-ground developments, and National Correspondent Rory O’Neill provides an update on the broader Israel–Gaza situation and global response.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Basically where things stand. You have Israel. They obviously want
the bodies of the dead hostages back. There's a big
push to get them back. They thought they were getting
more of them back initially when only four were returned.
A few more have been returned since it seems like
they know where the bodies are. Amas is saying that
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we can't get to them because of the rubble and
all of that. We need specialized equipment to get the bodies.
So there's some frustration. It sounds like, especially on the
part of Israel. You've got the president coming in and
he's just trying to come everything right now, assuring Israel
and the families of the victims that they will get
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the bodies back, and then also you know, talking with
some of the allies in the region and maybe working
out a way for them to get in there and
retrieve these bodies. But essentially the president trying to keep
this whole thing on track. While that plays out. There
were some reports that you had is and Hamas and
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mediators starting to move on to Phase two. Have some
of those discussions, which includes disarming Hamas and starting to
create a governing body and a security force in Gaza.
There was a really interesting report from Axios's Barack Ravide.
He's done fantastic reporting on all of this, and he
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said he was told by a senior American official that
the US wants to begin rebuilding the city of Rafa,
which isn't under Hamas control, and basically turn that into
a model that shows how the rest of Gaza can
look and operate without Hamas, which I thought was really
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interesting and really smart.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, it sounds like a really good idea if they
can see that we can run a city, build the city,
have it functioning, have it peaceful, and then kind of
bring that to other areas.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, exactly. So I thought that was a really great strategy.
There's obviously a lot that would have to happen to
make that work, but that was one of the details
that stood out to me. Let's go back to the
hotline and bring in ABC News correspondent Jordanana Miller coming
to us live from Israel with all the latest. Jordana,
great to talk to you again, and I want to
get to the latest on the return of the bodies
(02:20):
of dead hostages to Israel. That seems to be at
the center of the tension that we're seeing right now.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, I think that's accurate, Brian. The Israelis believe that
Hamas actually knows where more bodies are than they're letting
on or trying to find, and that they had misled
the United States and mediators about the number. Right, they said,
they re understand Hamas indicated they had about half the bodies,
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which would be fourteen of the twenty eight. In the end,
they turned over four on the first day, which really
shocked the Israelis, and then three two days ago, and
last night two more bodies came came over. So now
Hamas has turned over nine of the twenty eight, right,
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which leaves nineteen still in the Gaza strip, And the
Israelis are really, through the United States and through the
mediators Cutter in Egypt, trying to put pressure on Hamas
to find those other bodies. Again, these really intelligence we
understand knows where some of those most of the bodies are,
and they're in areas that Hamas can access. So they're
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trying to get Hamas to go there.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The United States says, you know, Hamas hasn't necessarily violated
the deal, and they're giving them time. The Israelis are
calling it a violation. But we just got off the
phone with a very senior source in the Israeli government
and he said, you know, Israel's going to give There's
still some time to turn over those bodies. We're not
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at a crisis moment.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It does sound like the Trump administration realizes how big
of an issue this is becoming, and they're trying to
take steps to make sure it doesn't lead to the
whole thing falling apart, and they're also trying to move
on to the next phase while all of this is
playing out.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That's right, and I think it's important to understand that
the United States and Israel are not waiting for the
full completion of Phase one before they start planning and
engaging in talks on Phase two. Right, so things can
be done, as the President said earlier this week, out
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of order, right and simultaneously so while Hamas is searching
for the rest of the bodies, we can anticipate in
the next several weeks that the sides will start to
talk about the mechanism for disarming Hamas, the mechanism for
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really letting Gaza with aid. There has been a boost,
but it's not at the levels that many expected, and
there'll be a mechanism for setting up an internal interim
government or a technocratic government as it's been called. Right,
there's so many details that have to be kind of
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hashed out and frameworks that have to be laid down,
and of course training and getting in the international security force. Right,
reopening the rougha crossing for people to go in and
out of FASA for the first time in two years freely.
That's going to take time. So you know, there is
an understanding that everything's going to be worked on, you know, everything.
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They're not going to wait until as well, has all
the deceased hostages back before they move forward, Right, They're
going to try to move forward where they can, wherever
they can.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller coming too US live from
Israel this morning. Jordana, thanks so much for the update,
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Thanks touching.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I want to get to real quick something else that
I've been following. You're starting to hear some stories from
the hostages of what they went through, and one of
them said that one of the guards was a first
grade teacher, another was a lecture at a university, and
another was a doctor. You got You've got people in
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you know, decent professions in Gaza who became terrorists.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, that was That's a really crazy detail to hear
because and I don't think we've heard that from any
of the other hostages that have been released. And I
wonder if as time went on and they needed more
of their actual terrorists to fight than they recruited other
people and forced them into this.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, or as they're moving the hostages around to kind
of hold them.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No common to you're a home and tell them you're
going to hold these people.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And he said that he was intentionally starved for psychological warfare.
He got about two hundred to three hundred calories a day,
not just for him, but to with two other hostages
he was being held with.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And he went on to say that his Hamas captors,
they kept boasting about stealing humanitarian aid. He said, I
saw with my own eyes that they stole boxes and
boxes and boxes of humanitarian aid from Egypt, from Turkey,
from Emiordis, and they didn't agree to give us any
of this food in the tunnels, so we knew they
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were stealing the aid. And that was part of the
problem with you know, allowing the aid to get through.
Then there was another hostage who's been talking about his experience,
and he said he was in complete isolation, cut off
from all other hostages, no books, no human contacts, nothing
for two years. Had no idea this is this is
the one who was taken with his partner on the motorcycle.
(07:49):
Oh okay, yeah, no idea what happened to his partner
was kept in a tiny cage less than two meters high.
He's two meters tall, so he couldn't stand. He was
chained inside the cage for more than a year of
his captivity. At one point, while he was being moved
between tunnels, he tried to escape but failed. Then after
that the captors they tightened their conditions on him and
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beat him. And that's you know, some of his experiences said,
you know, I don't know how I came out of
this alive.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
It's a miracle.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That's what I'm thinking, is how do you survive something
like that?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, and then what they're I'm sure the nightmares are
going to have, the trauma they're going to be dealing
with just horrific. But that just gives you a sense
as to what they were going through right now, let's
bring in our national correspondent, Rory O'Neil, whose report is
brought to you by Mark Spain Real Estate. So, Rory,
the issue of the return of the bodies of dead
hostages to Israel. That seems to be the real focus
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right now, and with tensions as high as they are,
because Israel thinks that Hamas isn't doing all that it
can to return those bodies. You've got this peace steal
kind on thin ice at the moment.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Well, right, so there are nineteen bodies yet to be returned,
and Hamas says we've returned all week hand, So that's
one of the issues. They say they'll need specialized equipment
to find any other bodies which may be trapped under
rubble or near unexploded ordinances.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
So those are some of the issues.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Now, the US sounds like it's sort of believing Hamas here.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Israel's a bit more frustrated.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
They've even dialed back the amount of aid going into Gaza.
But it just shows that, you know, it wasn't the
end of something. The peace process is really just beginning
now and it's not going to be a straight line.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, Hamas claimed, like you said, it needed special equipment
to recover the bodies of some of those hostages, like
rocket launchers, automatic weapons, things like that. I'm sure that's
the special equipment they're looking for in order to you know,
dislim Now the Trump administration trying to keep this whole
thing together. Apparently they assured the families of the victims
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who are waiting for the bodies of their loved ones
to be returned, that they're going to do everything they
can to make sure that happened. There was also taught
that maybe they would offer some money for information on
the location of the bodies, But it sounds like Israel's
got a pretty good idea where they are right.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Even some of that information that Israel has is being
shared sort of through the US and partners to try
to perhaps find other burial site locations. But again, I
think they sort of knew going into this that it's
not as if the bodies were in some Morgan are
all going to be delivered immediately, that some actually may
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never be returned. And that's still that idea is having
real consequence.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You can understand if some of the bodies are difficult
to recover. I mean, when you see those overhead shots
of guaz, it's all destroyed. I think like eighty percent
of it is rubble at this point, and you've got
international partners who I guess are saying that they could
help with the recovery as well. We're also hearing from
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some of the hostages who were released, and one thing
that stood out to me about some of the stories
they're telling, I mean, the torture and all of that
is just you know, it's hard to hear, but apparently
the people holding them weren't who you'd think they were.
They were normal people like teachers and doctors. Those were
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the ones who were holding the hostages all this time
for like, you know, I think it was seven hundred
and twenty seven days.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, No, a pretty remarkable turn. As you said, you
suspected that someone standing there, you know, a terrorist. Yeah,
and it's yeah, it's sort of about, oh, you're just
a resident of the area, off at their course into
doing it. They're forced into into turning into guards of hostages.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
The details of some of these stories are are startling.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about another story of covering
this morning. We're joined by our National correspondent Rory O'Neil.
Some problems at the Pentagon, so the Press Corps they
officially had their credentials revoked for refusing to agree to
restrictions on their reporting. The Pentagon Press Association released this
statement yesterday saying the Defense Department confiscated the batches of
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the Pentagon reporters from virtually every major media organization in America.
It did so because reporters would not sign onto a
new media policy over its implicit threat of criminalizing national
security reporting and exposing those who sign it to potential prosecution.
It's not often that you have Fox News, Newsmax, CNN, NBC,
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all of those news organizations in agreement on something, but
they were on this.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Right and even Fox News the former employer of Secretary
Heiks Yeah saying that this policy is not sustainable.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And essentially, look, yes it does.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It put restrictions on where you can walk in the building,
and and yes, that's a big part of it. But
you know, they were also getting sort of jerked around
since January. The big networks always had the same office locations.
They now suddenly had this rotating policy and oh, look
suddenly news organizations that are favorable to President Trump get
the good seats and the old ones are put in
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the back.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
That's the little petty stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
But then they were kept out of the briefing room,
which has got like the only Wi Fi in the
building so that they can communicate because obviously you don't
want a lot of Wi Fi in the Pentagon and
little things like that. But then the policy changed that
also said you could essentially only report what was approved
by the Pentagon or have your badge vote. Yeah, and
that really was the bridge too far in terms of well,
(13:41):
wait a minute, announced you're just doing press.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Releases and they weren't.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Even the Pentagon wasn't even cracking down on classified information.
It was unclassified information as well. Anything anything you couldn't
ask a question yep had to be officially approved by
the Pentagon. And that's just insane, I'm sorry. And especially
if there is a department that needs's journalists constantly keeping
an eye on what they do. To me, it's the Pentagon,
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as we've seen in the past.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You know what happened with the transparency that this was
going to be a transparent administration.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, I don't know if you remember this, Rory, but
the Pentagon hasn't always been truthful with us about certain
things when it comes to you know, operational And I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This the other day, but I wonder how much this
has to do with Pete Hagsath being embarrassed by that
signal chat that a looted, you know, because with this
have prevented them from doing that.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I maybe I don't know, but yeah, I think that
had something to do with it. But again, when you've
got all of these news organizations right left and center
coming out and saying this is insane and un president
And I don't know if you saw this. Fox News
contributor retired General Jack Keane, he said the same thing.
Never seen anything like it.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
No, Yeah, that was pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And again I always trying to say, just imagine if
this was the other side, President Kamala Harris, Yeah, and
her secretary of Defense whoever be, you know, doing this
kind of of thing.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, it would be a very different caller.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You can be critical of the media and still say
like this is a bridge too far here, This is no.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Pelosi reporter, Did you said that Nancy Pelosi clip from yesterday?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
What did she do?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Where she where?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The reporter asked her about January sixth, Then she snapped
the reporter, is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Yeah? Yeah, So why did you refuse to National Guard troops?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
And she was being rushed around the front steps of
the Capitol and she stopped, turned and told the reporter
shut up from that.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
I I didn't refuse anything. Stop giving Republican talking points.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, because she's on her way out,
so she does. I don't think she cares anyone, and
I think that's reflective in that comment. All right. Rory
O'Neil our national correspondent with US this morning. Rory, thanks
so much.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
California Democrat Katie Porter is trying to clean up her
image after she was exposed for lashing out at staffers.
She's running for governor, and a twenty twenty one video
in which she curses staffer for coming into her camera
shot went viral, along with some other videos and reports
about her nasty side.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So listen to this.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
She's on a video call and then you can see
her staffer pop into the background the air.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Pollution and other problems and the state could lose.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Get out of my shot.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And so then the staffer is correcting her on something
she's getting wrong on the call.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, it does.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Okay, you also were in my shot before that.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Stay out of my shot.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Okay, I'm gonna start it again.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So she just did her first interview since all of
this came out, and she was asked if she has
the temperament to lead the state of California.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
When I look at those videos, I want people to
know that I understand that I could have handled things better.
I think I'm known as someone who's able to handle
tough questions, who's willing to answer questions, and I want
people to know that I really vow you the incredible
work that my stuff can do. I think I can.
People who know me know I can be tough, but
I need to do a better job expressing appreciation for
(17:08):
the amazing work that my team does.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
How about I need to not be a crazy psychope.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's it's amazing that she could sit there and say
I can handle tough questions. There was another interview she
did recently where she ended the interview because she didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Like to follow up handled the tough sho she can handle.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
The tough questions, and you had her ex husband accuse
her of abuse. He says that she dumped a bowl
of hot mashed potatoes on his head during a fight.
And he also alleged, and I'm quoting here, that she
wouldn't let him have a cell phone because she said,
you're too effing dumb to operate it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Goodness, this woman sounds like a nightmare, like just a
raging nightmare.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
She sounds like like a Karen And she comes across.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That show Baby Reindeer on Netflix with that psycho woman.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, and she will though, if she's elected, she'll get
stuff done. She'll beat Democrats and the Republicans into submissions.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Jd.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Vance is facing some backlash for basically defending the racist
and vile things leaders from the Young Republicans organization we're
saying in a group chat. So the messages were published
by Politico earlier this week and included the then chair
of the group saying people who didn't vote for him
need to quote go to.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
The gas chamber.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
The general counsel for the New York State Young Republicans said,
can we fix the showers? Gas chambers don't fit the
Hitler aesthetic, and another committee woman from New York said,
I'm ready to watch people burn now words like the
F word, the one that's slang for gay, the R word,
and the N word appeared more than two hundred and
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fifty times. So jd Vance reacted on x by sharing
a screenshot of the text of Virginia Democrat Jay Jones
saying he wanted to shoot his political opponent and said
this is far worse than anything said in a college
group chat, and then he doubled down on a yesterday
saying this.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
By focusing on what kids are saying in group chat,
grow up, I'm sorry, focus on the real issues, don't
focus on what kids say in group chats.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So he's kind of just making excuses for them, like, oh,
this is just boys being boys kind of thing, instead
of condemning what they said. And also, you know, this
makes that group look really really bad and puts a,
you know, a damper on the entire organization.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Why wouldn't he be.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Disappointed to them and say, guys, yeah, get it together exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That's leadership saying no, no, no, this is not how we
do things. And look, democrats, I saw a lot of
them hesitate to distance themselves from that candidate for attorney
general in Virginia who put out those texts, and you
know they're no better. But is somebody going to stand
up one of these sides and say, you know what,
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we're going to be the adults in the room, and
we're going to hold our side to account. It just
never happens. It's so frustrating. I don't understand what's so
difficult about it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
This is from Mark Pudo at Axios. President Trump is
obsessed with remodeling the White House.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
And we've seen this.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I mean these replaced trees, put pavers, and a new
patio in the rose Garden.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
He's put art and mirrors all over the place.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
The gold the flagpoles, the new two hundred and fifty
million dollar ballroom, and he's apparently spent up to twenty
hours working on some of these projects. In between negotiating
piece deals and talking about the shutdown, he's on the
phone having design sessions, talking.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
About Marvil Tyland.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And then when world leaders are going to the White
House lately, like when Netanyahu was here visiting, he ended
up getting a forty minute tour with Trump showing off
all their renovations. When some Florida politicians visited the White House,
they were shown the new marble tile and the Lincoln
bedroom bathroom, and he apparently now wants to build a
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giant arc at the entrance to Arlington National Cemetery near
the Memorial Bridge, something you'll be able to see from
the air.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
So it's like when he's flying.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Over, you know, coming back to the house, he's looking
at the city thinking, oh, what else can I build?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
What can I put that you can see from the sky.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I think, you know, a big part of his legacy, honestly,
is going to be the change to the White House.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Oh yeah, all the gold and everything.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And I guess some people are concerned about the historical
preservation of some of the things in the White House
because he's made so many changes and kind of manage
his own that it looks more.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Like you know, a Trump town, right exactlything else well,
I mean, he's got the rest of this term and
then don't forget a third term. Yeah, so it's going
to be there for a while.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
A terrifying scene unfolded at Disney's Contemporary Resort earlier this
week as a person died on the Mono rail tracks.
Now earlier reports suggested the person was hit by the monoail,
but the Orange County Sheriff's office later said the death
was an apparent suicide, and witnesses told police they saw
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the person jump onto the tracks and die, so it's
been ruled a suicide.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You don't hear that very often. I mean, it's the
happiest place on Earth. Then, yeah, somebody doing something like that.
I wonder if that's ever happened before, coming in front
of a monorail track.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, I don't think I've heard anything like that happening before.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But that's uh. They do come in threes, they say.
So you've got Epic Universe, yep, You've got Disneyland, the
Haunted Mansion, Mansion, Yeah, and then you've got this one.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Three theme park debths, the Haunted Mansion one. I looked
that up to see, you know, what ended up happening.
And they're not going to release any autopsy results because well,
it sounds like it was a medical emergency, probably just
a coincidence that happened to be on the ride and
maybe had a heart attack or something and died. The
family doesn't want an investigation.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Or okay like that.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So not like what we're seeing with Epic Universe, where
you know the family.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, it sounds like the family's pretty confident that this
was not the park's fault.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And the monoail thing, again, that's just chocking. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And it's not clear if it was a guest or
an employee or you know, it's not clear who this
person was.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yet one of their I mean, I still think back
to the craziest trend of all time I think at
Disney was when that little boy at the Alligator. I mean,
that was a story that was horrible, fight sure story.
And now when you go there and you see those
like ponds and stuff, there are signs everywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, Maga World is lashing out at Alyssa Farrah Griffin
because she hasn't worn a Maga hat yet on the view.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
So back in January, she made this promise, if.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
He does good, if he gets the Israeli hostages out,
I promise I will wear a Maga hat for one
day on the show and say.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Thank you for doing it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
She'll not right off my head.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
But you have to be able to cheer for wins
when they happen and then call out relentlessly the wrongdo.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Now she did cheer for his win.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
She has given him credit for negotiating the peace deal
and getting the hostages released. But it's been three days.
Today will be the fourth, and she has not worn
the hat. So Donald Trump Junior shared that clip on
x and said, sending this to the top, let's go.
Another Maga influencer said, we're all waiting. And she also
she did her own post about the piece deal. Yeah,
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and she disabled the comments on it, probably because she
knew everybody was going to be like, put on the
Maga hat.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Just wear the hat. Yeah, it'll go viral. It'll be
a totally true put on the hat.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I don't know if the other women could even sit
the table with her though, if she did, they would
not be able to contain themselves to be so triggered.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And I also think at this point she runs in
circles where if she ever did something like that, I
don't know that. You know, the people at the cocktail
parties that she goes to, if it would be thrilled.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, no, they wouldn't at all ostracized.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, but just do it. I mean it would be funny.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I bet you she comes out and says, well, I might
do it when the last body is returned, you know,
there'll be some caveat to why she hasn't done it yet.
Basically where things stand. You have Israel. They obviously want
the bodies of the dead hostages back. There's a big
push to get them back. They thought they were getting
more of them back initially when only four were returned.
A few more have been returned since it seems like
they know where the bodies are. Amas is saying that
(00:21):
we can't get to them because of the rubble and
all of that. We need specialized equipment to get the bodies.
So there's some frustration. It sounds like, especially on the
part of Israel. You've got the president coming in and
he's just trying to come everything right now, assuring Israel
and the families of the victims that they will get
(00:41):
the bodies back, and then also you know, talking with
some of the allies in the region and maybe working
out a way for them to get in there and
retrieve these bodies. But essentially the president trying to keep
this whole thing on track. While that plays out. There
were some reports that you had is and Hamas and
(01:02):
mediators starting to move on to Phase two. Have some
of those discussions, which includes disarming Hamas and starting to
create a governing body and a security force in Gaza.
There was a really interesting report from Axios's Barack Ravide.
He's done fantastic reporting on all of this, and he
(01:23):
said he was told by a senior American official that
the US wants to begin rebuilding the city of Rafa,
which isn't under Hamas control, and basically turn that into
a model that shows how the rest of Gaza can
look and operate without Hamas, which I thought was really
(01:48):
interesting and really smart.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, it sounds like a really good idea if they
can see that we can run a city, build the city,
have it functioning, have it peaceful, and then kind of
bring that to other areas.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, exactly. So I thought that was a really great strategy.
There's obviously a lot that would have to happen to
make that work, but that was one of the details
that stood out to me. Let's go back to the
hotline and bring in ABC News correspondent Jordanana Miller coming
to us live from Israel with all the latest. Jordana,
great to talk to you again, and I want to
get to the latest on the return of the bodies
(02:20):
of dead hostages to Israel. That seems to be at
the center of the tension that we're seeing right now.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, I think that's accurate, Brian. The Israelis believe that
Hamas actually knows where more bodies are than they're letting
on or trying to find, and that they had misled
the United States and mediators about the number. Right, they said,
they re understand Hamas indicated they had about half the bodies,
(02:50):
which would be fourteen of the twenty eight. In the end,
they turned over four on the first day, which really
shocked the Israelis, and then three two days ago, and
last night two more bodies came came over. So now
Hamas has turned over nine of the twenty eight, right,
(03:11):
which leaves nineteen still in the Gaza strip, And the
Israelis are really, through the United States and through the
mediators Cutter in Egypt, trying to put pressure on Hamas
to find those other bodies. Again, these really intelligence we
understand knows where some of those most of the bodies are,
and they're in areas that Hamas can access. So they're
(03:34):
trying to get Hamas to go there.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
The United States says, you know, Hamas hasn't necessarily violated
the deal, and they're giving them time. The Israelis are
calling it a violation. But we just got off the
phone with a very senior source in the Israeli government
and he said, you know, Israel's going to give There's
still some time to turn over those bodies. We're not
(03:58):
at a crisis moment.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It does sound like the Trump administration realizes how big
of an issue this is becoming, and they're trying to
take steps to make sure it doesn't lead to the
whole thing falling apart, and they're also trying to move
on to the next phase while all of this is
playing out.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
That's right, and I think it's important to understand that
the United States and Israel are not waiting for the
full completion of Phase one before they start planning and
engaging in talks on Phase two. Right, so things can
be done, as the President said earlier this week, out
(04:36):
of order, right and simultaneously so while Hamas is searching
for the rest of the bodies, we can anticipate in
the next several weeks that the sides will start to
talk about the mechanism for disarming Hamas, the mechanism for
(04:56):
really letting Gaza with aid. There has been a boost,
but it's not at the levels that many expected, and
there'll be a mechanism for setting up an internal interim
government or a technocratic government as it's been called. Right,
there's so many details that have to be kind of
(05:18):
hashed out and frameworks that have to be laid down,
and of course training and getting in the international security force. Right,
reopening the rougha crossing for people to go in and
out of FASA for the first time in two years freely.
That's going to take time. So you know, there is
an understanding that everything's going to be worked on, you know, everything.
(05:44):
They're not going to wait until as well, has all
the deceased hostages back before they move forward, Right, They're
going to try to move forward where they can, wherever
they can.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller coming too US live from
Israel this morning. Jordana, thanks so much for the update,
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Thanks touching.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I want to get to real quick something else that
I've been following. You're starting to hear some stories from
the hostages of what they went through, and one of
them said that one of the guards was a first
grade teacher, another was a lecture at a university, and
another was a doctor. You got You've got people in
(06:24):
you know, decent professions in Gaza who became terrorists.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, that was That's a really crazy detail to hear
because and I don't think we've heard that from any
of the other hostages that have been released. And I
wonder if as time went on and they needed more
of their actual terrorists to fight than they recruited other
people and forced them into this.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, or as they're moving the hostages around to kind
of hold them.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
No common to you're a home and tell them you're
going to hold these people.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And he said that he was intentionally starved for psychological warfare.
He got about two hundred to three hundred calories a day,
not just for him, but to with two other hostages
he was being held with.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
And he went on to say that his Hamas captors,
they kept boasting about stealing humanitarian aid. He said, I
saw with my own eyes that they stole boxes and
boxes and boxes of humanitarian aid from Egypt, from Turkey,
from Emiordis, and they didn't agree to give us any
of this food in the tunnels, so we knew they
(07:25):
were stealing the aid. And that was part of the
problem with you know, allowing the aid to get through.
Then there was another hostage who's been talking about his experience,
and he said he was in complete isolation, cut off
from all other hostages, no books, no human contacts, nothing
for two years. Had no idea this is this is
the one who was taken with his partner on the motorcycle.
(07:49):
Oh okay, yeah, no idea what happened to his partner
was kept in a tiny cage less than two meters high.
He's two meters tall, so he couldn't stand. He was
chained inside the cage for more than a year of
his captivity. At one point, while he was being moved
between tunnels, he tried to escape but failed. Then after
that the captors they tightened their conditions on him and
(08:11):
beat him. And that's you know, some of his experiences said,
you know, I don't know how I came out of
this alive.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
It's a miracle.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That's what I'm thinking, is how do you survive something
like that?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, and then what they're I'm sure the nightmares are
going to have, the trauma they're going to be dealing
with just horrific. But that just gives you a sense
as to what they were going through right now, let's
bring in our national correspondent, Rory O'Neil, whose report is
brought to you by Mark Spain Real Estate. So, Rory,
the issue of the return of the bodies of dead
hostages to Israel. That seems to be the real focus
(08:47):
right now, and with tensions as high as they are,
because Israel thinks that Hamas isn't doing all that it
can to return those bodies. You've got this peace steal
kind on thin ice at the moment.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Well, right, so there are nineteen bodies yet to be returned,
and Hamas says we've returned all week hand, So that's
one of the issues. They say they'll need specialized equipment
to find any other bodies which may be trapped under
rubble or near unexploded ordinances.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
So those are some of the issues.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Now, the US sounds like it's sort of believing Hamas here.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Israel's a bit more frustrated.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
They've even dialed back the amount of aid going into Gaza.
But it just shows that, you know, it wasn't the
end of something. The peace process is really just beginning
now and it's not going to be a straight line.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, Hamas claimed, like you said, it needed special equipment
to recover the bodies of some of those hostages, like
rocket launchers, automatic weapons, things like that. I'm sure that's
the special equipment they're looking for in order to you know,
dislim Now the Trump administration trying to keep this whole
thing together. Apparently they assured the families of the victims
(10:03):
who are waiting for the bodies of their loved ones
to be returned, that they're going to do everything they
can to make sure that happened. There was also taught
that maybe they would offer some money for information on
the location of the bodies, But it sounds like Israel's
got a pretty good idea where they are right.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Even some of that information that Israel has is being
shared sort of through the US and partners to try
to perhaps find other burial site locations. But again, I
think they sort of knew going into this that it's
not as if the bodies were in some Morgan are
all going to be delivered immediately, that some actually may
(10:40):
never be returned. And that's still that idea is having
real consequence.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
You can understand if some of the bodies are difficult
to recover. I mean, when you see those overhead shots
of guaz, it's all destroyed. I think like eighty percent
of it is rubble at this point, and you've got
international partners who I guess are saying that they could
help with the recovery as well. We're also hearing from
(11:07):
some of the hostages who were released, and one thing
that stood out to me about some of the stories
they're telling, I mean, the torture and all of that
is just you know, it's hard to hear, but apparently
the people holding them weren't who you'd think they were.
They were normal people like teachers and doctors. Those were
(11:28):
the ones who were holding the hostages all this time
for like, you know, I think it was seven hundred
and twenty seven days.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah, No, a pretty remarkable turn. As you said, you
suspected that someone standing there, you know, a terrorist. Yeah,
and it's yeah, it's sort of about, oh, you're just
a resident of the area, off at their course into
doing it. They're forced into into turning into guards of hostages.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Right.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
The details of some of these stories are are startling.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about another story of covering
this morning. We're joined by our National correspondent Rory O'Neil.
Some problems at the Pentagon, so the Press Corps they
officially had their credentials revoked for refusing to agree to
restrictions on their reporting. The Pentagon Press Association released this
statement yesterday saying the Defense Department confiscated the batches of
(12:20):
the Pentagon reporters from virtually every major media organization in America.
It did so because reporters would not sign onto a
new media policy over its implicit threat of criminalizing national
security reporting and exposing those who sign it to potential prosecution.
It's not often that you have Fox News, Newsmax, CNN, NBC,
(12:42):
all of those news organizations in agreement on something, but
they were on this.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Right and even Fox News the former employer of Secretary
Heiks Yeah saying that this policy is not sustainable.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And essentially, look, yes it does.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It put restrictions on where you can walk in the building,
and and yes, that's a big part of it. But
you know, they were also getting sort of jerked around
since January. The big networks always had the same office locations.
They now suddenly had this rotating policy and oh, look
suddenly news organizations that are favorable to President Trump get
the good seats and the old ones are put in
(13:17):
the back.
Speaker 6 (13:18):
That's the little petty stuff.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
But then they were kept out of the briefing room,
which has got like the only Wi Fi in the
building so that they can communicate because obviously you don't
want a lot of Wi Fi in the Pentagon and
little things like that. But then the policy changed that
also said you could essentially only report what was approved
by the Pentagon or have your badge vote. Yeah, and
that really was the bridge too far in terms of well,
(13:41):
wait a minute, announced you're just doing press.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Releases and they weren't.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Even the Pentagon wasn't even cracking down on classified information.
It was unclassified information as well. Anything anything you couldn't
ask a question yep had to be officially approved by
the Pentagon. And that's just insane, I'm sorry. And especially
if there is a department that needs's journalists constantly keeping
an eye on what they do. To me, it's the Pentagon,
(14:06):
as we've seen in the past.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You know what happened with the transparency that this was
going to be a transparent administration.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, I don't know if you remember this, Rory, but
the Pentagon hasn't always been truthful with us about certain
things when it comes to you know, operational And I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
This the other day, but I wonder how much this
has to do with Pete Hagsath being embarrassed by that
signal chat that a looted, you know, because with this
have prevented them from doing that.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I maybe I don't know, but yeah, I think that
had something to do with it. But again, when you've
got all of these news organizations right left and center
coming out and saying this is insane and un president
And I don't know if you saw this. Fox News
contributor retired General Jack Keane, he said the same thing.
Never seen anything like it.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
No, Yeah, that was pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
And again I always trying to say, just imagine if
this was the other side, President Kamala Harris, Yeah, and
her secretary of Defense whoever be, you know, doing this
kind of of thing.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, it would be a very different caller.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You can be critical of the media and still say
like this is a bridge too far here, This is no.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Pelosi reporter, Did you said that Nancy Pelosi clip from yesterday?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
What did she do?
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Where she where?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
The reporter asked her about January sixth, Then she snapped
the reporter, is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Yeah? Yeah, So why did you refuse to National Guard troops?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
And she was being rushed around the front steps of
the Capitol and she stopped, turned and told the reporter
shut up from that.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
I I didn't refuse anything. Stop giving Republican talking points.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah, I mean, look, because she's on her way out,
so she does. I don't think she cares anyone, and
I think that's reflective in that comment. All right. Rory
O'Neil our national correspondent with US this morning. Rory, thanks
so much.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Thanks Ryan.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
California Democrat Katie Porter is trying to clean up her
image after she was exposed for lashing out at staffers.
She's running for governor, and a twenty twenty one video
in which she curses staffer for coming into her camera
shot went viral, along with some other videos and reports
about her nasty side.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
So listen to this.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
She's on a video call and then you can see
her staffer pop into the background the air.
Speaker 7 (16:12):
Pollution and other problems and the state could lose.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Get out of my shot.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
And so then the staffer is correcting her on something
she's getting wrong on the call.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, it does.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Okay, you also were in my shot before that.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Stay out of my shot.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
Okay, I'm gonna start it again.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
So she just did her first interview since all of
this came out, and she was asked if she has
the temperament to lead the state of California.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
When I look at those videos, I want people to
know that I understand that I could have handled things better.
I think I'm known as someone who's able to handle
tough questions, who's willing to answer questions, and I want
people to know that I really vow you the incredible
work that my stuff can do. I think I can.
People who know me know I can be tough, but
I need to do a better job expressing appreciation for
(17:08):
the amazing work that my team does.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
How about I need to not be a crazy psychope.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's it's amazing that she could sit there and say
I can handle tough questions. There was another interview she
did recently where she ended the interview because she didn't.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Like to follow up handled the tough sho she can handle.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
The tough questions, and you had her ex husband accuse
her of abuse. He says that she dumped a bowl
of hot mashed potatoes on his head during a fight.
And he also alleged, and I'm quoting here, that she
wouldn't let him have a cell phone because she said,
you're too effing dumb to operate it.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Goodness, this woman sounds like a nightmare, like just a
raging nightmare.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
She sounds like like a Karen And she comes across.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That show Baby Reindeer on Netflix with that psycho woman.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, and she will though, if she's elected, she'll get
stuff done. She'll beat Democrats and the Republicans into submissions.
Speaker 5 (18:04):
Jd.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Vance is facing some backlash for basically defending the racist
and vile things leaders from the Young Republicans organization we're
saying in a group chat. So the messages were published
by Politico earlier this week and included the then chair
of the group saying people who didn't vote for him
need to quote go to.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
The gas chamber.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
The general counsel for the New York State Young Republicans said,
can we fix the showers? Gas chambers don't fit the
Hitler aesthetic, and another committee woman from New York said,
I'm ready to watch people burn now words like the
F word, the one that's slang for gay, the R word,
and the N word appeared more than two hundred and
(18:43):
fifty times. So jd Vance reacted on x by sharing
a screenshot of the text of Virginia Democrat Jay Jones
saying he wanted to shoot his political opponent and said
this is far worse than anything said in a college
group chat, and then he doubled down on a yesterday
saying this.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
By focusing on what kids are saying in group chat,
grow up, I'm sorry, focus on the real issues, don't
focus on what kids say in group chats.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So he's kind of just making excuses for them, like, oh,
this is just boys being boys kind of thing, instead
of condemning what they said. And also, you know, this
makes that group look really really bad and puts a,
you know, a damper on the entire organization.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Why wouldn't he be.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Disappointed to them and say, guys, yeah, get it together exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That's leadership saying no, no, no, this is not how we
do things. And look, democrats, I saw a lot of
them hesitate to distance themselves from that candidate for attorney
general in Virginia who put out those texts, and you
know they're no better. But is somebody going to stand
up one of these sides and say, you know what,
(19:50):
we're going to be the adults in the room, and
we're going to hold our side to account. It just
never happens. It's so frustrating. I don't understand what's so
difficult about it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
This is from Mark Pudo at Axios. President Trump is
obsessed with remodeling the White House.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
And we've seen this.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I mean these replaced trees, put pavers, and a new
patio in the rose Garden.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
He's put art and mirrors all over the place.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
The gold the flagpoles, the new two hundred and fifty
million dollar ballroom, and he's apparently spent up to twenty
hours working on some of these projects. In between negotiating
piece deals and talking about the shutdown, he's on the
phone having design sessions, talking.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
About Marvil Tyland.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
And then when world leaders are going to the White
House lately, like when Netanyahu was here visiting, he ended
up getting a forty minute tour with Trump showing off
all their renovations. When some Florida politicians visited the White House,
they were shown the new marble tile and the Lincoln
bedroom bathroom, and he apparently now wants to build a
(20:52):
giant arc at the entrance to Arlington National Cemetery near
the Memorial Bridge, something you'll be able to see from
the air.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
So it's like when he's flying.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Over, you know, coming back to the house, he's looking
at the city thinking, oh, what else can I build?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
What can I put that you can see from the sky.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I think, you know, a big part of his legacy, honestly,
is going to be the change to the White House.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Oh yeah, all the gold and everything.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And I guess some people are concerned about the historical
preservation of some of the things in the White House
because he's made so many changes and kind of manage
his own that it looks more.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Like you know, a Trump town, right exactlything else well,
I mean, he's got the rest of this term and
then don't forget a third term. Yeah, so it's going
to be there for a while.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
A terrifying scene unfolded at Disney's Contemporary Resort earlier this
week as a person died on the Mono rail tracks.
Now earlier reports suggested the person was hit by the monoail,
but the Orange County Sheriff's office later said the death
was an apparent suicide, and witnesses told police they saw
(21:52):
the person jump onto the tracks and die, so it's
been ruled a suicide.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
You don't hear that very often. I mean, it's the
happiest place on Earth. Then, yeah, somebody doing something like that.
I wonder if that's ever happened before, coming in front
of a monorail track.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, I don't think I've heard anything like that happening before.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
But that's uh. They do come in threes, they say.
So you've got Epic Universe, yep, You've got Disneyland, the
Haunted Mansion, Mansion, Yeah, and then you've got this one.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Three theme park debths, the Haunted Mansion one. I looked
that up to see, you know, what ended up happening.
And they're not going to release any autopsy results because well,
it sounds like it was a medical emergency, probably just
a coincidence that happened to be on the ride and
maybe had a heart attack or something and died. The
family doesn't want an investigation.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Or okay like that.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So not like what we're seeing with Epic Universe, where
you know the family.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, it sounds like the family's pretty confident that this
was not the park's fault.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
And the monoail thing, again, that's just chocking. Well.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And it's not clear if it was a guest or
an employee or you know, it's not clear who this
person was.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yet one of their I mean, I still think back
to the craziest trend of all time I think at
Disney was when that little boy at the Alligator. I mean,
that was a story that was horrible, fight sure story.
And now when you go there and you see those
like ponds and stuff, there are signs everywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yes, Maga World is lashing out at Alyssa Farrah Griffin
because she hasn't worn a Maga hat yet on the view.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
So back in January, she made this promise, if.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
He does good, if he gets the Israeli hostages out,
I promise I will wear a Maga hat for one
day on the show and say.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Thank you for doing it.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
She'll not right off my head.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
But you have to be able to cheer for wins
when they happen and then call out relentlessly the wrongdo.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Now she did cheer for his win.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
She has given him credit for negotiating the peace deal
and getting the hostages released. But it's been three days.
Today will be the fourth, and she has not worn
the hat. So Donald Trump Junior shared that clip on
x and said, sending this to the top, let's go.
Another Maga influencer said, we're all waiting. And she also
she did her own post about the piece deal. Yeah,
(24:00):
and she disabled the comments on it, probably because she
knew everybody was going to be like, put on the
Maga hat.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Just wear the hat. Yeah, it'll go viral. It'll be
a totally true put on the hat.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I don't know if the other women could even sit
the table with her though, if she did, they would
not be able to contain themselves to be so triggered.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And I also think at this point she runs in
circles where if she ever did something like that, I
don't know that. You know, the people at the cocktail
parties that she goes to, if it would be thrilled.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, no, they wouldn't at all ostracized.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, but just do it. I mean it would be funny.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
I bet you she comes out and says, well, I might
do it when the last body is returned, you know,
there'll be some caveat to why she hasn't done it yet.
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