December 16, 2025 • 22 mins
BEST OF - Rob Reiner's son Nick charged with murder, Brown University shooting update, ABC News Correspondent Jordana Miller joins us from Jerusalem with the latest on the terror attack on a Hanukkah celebration in Australia, and our White House Correspondent Rory O'Neill discusses more details about the Brown University shooting and the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife at the hands of their son.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This trending story brought to you by Trajanwealth. Visit them
at trajanwealth dot com. Rob Reiner's thirty two year old
son has been arrested and charged with murdering his parents.
Rob and his wife, Michelle Singer Reiner, were found dead
in their home on Sunday afternoon by their daughter Romy.
She immediately called nine one one and told police she
believed her brother was responsible. He was found and arrested
(00:23):
at around nine to fifteen near usc which is about
fifteen miles away from the home. He's being held without
bail and is reportedly on suicide watch. And I actually
just saw on the New York Post that the LAPD
released photos and videos of his arrest with his face
blurred at and then deleted them later. So those pictures
(00:43):
have I mean, they're everywhere now, but the PD actually
deleted them.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Nick has had a long history of drug abuse and
did seventeen stints in rehab. He apparently got into a
loud argument with his parents at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party
on Saturday night. Robin Michelle left the party early, and
Nick was seen acting erratic and was asking people at
the party, are you famous, Are you famous?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Weird?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And a lot of people have told various media outlets
that Robin Michelle had grown more and more concerned about
his mental health recently. TMZ is also reporting that Billy
Crystal and his wife went to the home while their
bodies were still there. Romy called them over and I
also saw that Larry David went over there too.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah. And the scene must have been really grocery, I think.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Yeah. And the scene at the hotel where Nick had
checked into that was pretty grucial too, area right right.
President Trump had a little something to say about Rob
Reiner following the Hollywood legend's brutal murder. In a truth
social post, Trump wrote, Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling
but once very talented movie director and comedy stars, passed
(01:50):
away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the
anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable
affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump Derangement syndrome.
He was known to have driven people crazy by his
raging obsession of President Donald J.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Trump. So there was more to that post. He did say.
At the end. May Robin Michelle rest in peace.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yes, that was nice, but there was a lot of
blowback from Democrats obviously, Republicans, also a lot of people
who are very much aligned and supportive of aligned with
and supportive of President Trump.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh yeah, people definitely say that it was inappropriate. Heraldo,
who's a fan of Trump, was saying that he thinks
it was way out of line, and even some of
our listeners who are very strong Trump supporters, said, yeah,
you know what, that was a.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
Lot that was harsh.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
When asked about those comments in the Oval Office yesterday,
Trump doubled down.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think he heard himself in career wise, he became
like a deranged person Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So I was not a fan of Rob.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Reiner at all in any way, shape or for him.
I thought he was very bad for our country.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
And you go after someone who was just brutally murdered
throat slit like that by that person's son.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
That makes people think you're the deranged one.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, it's just totally inappropriate, out of line, and just
factually incorrect.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
And look, look like I got a note from a listener,
why don't we talk about what Rob Reiner said about Trump?
It doesn't matter like nobody's saying that Trump had to
say anything about Rob Ryaner liked it.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
And that was one of the comments that we got.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
One of the messages that we got on Instagram were
a poll about this where you know, they didn't like
Rob Reiner, but Trump should have just stayed away from this.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
One.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Another person said, sometimes I wish you would just and
then they put the zip mouth emoji.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Nobody is saying that Trump has to go deliver Rob
Reiner's eulogy. Okay, it's just like, don't link his brutal
death to trump derangement syndrome when it had nothing to
do with it.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And just you know, back to that old saying, if
you know something nice to say that, don't say anything
at all. Can we get back to that in this
country would be a much better place.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, and remember we commented on the fact that when
Dick Cheney died, Trump didn't say anything, and we thought
it was odd that he was so silent about it,
But he made the right call in that, you know,
in that situation, he didn't say anything.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Right, I can understand why Trump would be unhappy with
Rob Reiner. Rob Reiner was very critical of him. Okay, well,
just you know, don't say anything in the aftermath of
his brutal.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Death, right, exactly, That's what you asked.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
So the big new development tied to the Brown University shooting. Yesterday,
Providence Police and the FBI released new surveillance video and
photos of a person of interest that followed the release
of the person they had originally suspected of being responsible
for the shooting. The photos and videos not very clear.
(04:46):
I mean, you can't get a great look at the suspect.
He's wearing a mask and a beanie, and you know.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
You can't see his face or any defining features.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
Really.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, right, you said there's a big focus on.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
His gut, his belly, Yeah, I mean because that stand o.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It does.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yeah, although as someone with the belly that stands out,
I didn't realize that could potentially become a clue in
solving a crime. But that's something investigators are looking at.
It's a distinctive feature.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
It is.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Investigators are campassing neighborhoods for more video evidence as well
ring cams, doorbell cams, private footage. A few years ago,
the school newspaper they did a report on surveillance around
campus and it noted that Brown has more than eight
hundred cameras operating. And the reporter wrote this, and I'm quoting,
(05:37):
the scope of the surveillance is staggering. It's impossible to
cross or even approach Brown University without being surveiled. I
encourage you to try. Well, the suspect did, and he
seemed to have picked the one place on campus where
there aren't a lot of cameras.
Speaker 8 (05:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And as I was watching the News Nation coverage of
this story over the last couple of days, one thing
that kept being pointed out over and over is that
school's college campuses need to do a better job of
having more surveillance and more cameras in place to prevent
something like this from happening, or to be able to
have more evidence should something happen.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, and clear cameras. Why is it that in a
case like this, Yeah, it's like you know, bigfoot footage
where it's all blurry and he can't make out the person.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Very clearly, is better than right they.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Have right now.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
He does have a bit of a wattle with his walk,
so you know that the belly, and I guess you
know some other features they'll try to piece together to
find an identity. There was one more story I wanted
to mention time to all of this. Eva Erickson, twenty
five year old survivor contestant. She's a Brown University PhD
student and she narrowly avoided the campus shooting. You know me,
(06:48):
when it comes to these stories, I don't know why,
I just get all.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Wrapped up in.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
She'd been working in the same building where the gunmen
later entered, but left about fifteen minutes earlier after randomly
deciding to go to the gym, something she normally never
does in the afternoon. Just one of those things.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Like she needed to work out.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Felt like, you know what, I guess I'll go to
the gym now, fifteen minutes before the shooting happened. Yeah,
so strange those stories, Yeah, always get me like this.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They got shann the right.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Exactly circumstance that saved someone.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, just randomly decided to go to the gym in
the afternoon, never does it, and luckily for her, wasn't
there when the shooting occurred.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Right now, let's go to.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
The hotline and bring in ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller
with the latest on the Australia terror attack. So Jordana,
we get some new details, especially on the suspects. What
have we learned over the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 9 (07:41):
Well, we've learned from Australian authorities that they now believe
the shooters were motivated by an ideology connected to ISIS right.
We had heard reports that ISIS flags were found in
the car. Authorities have now confirmed there were handmade if
you will ISIS flags that were found, as well as
(08:05):
components of what appear to be an ied right components
to make explosives. Now, the Australian police say they do
not believe these two shooters were connected to a larger cell,
but again that's an initial assessment and obviously the investigation
is continuing, and.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
There are some questions about their travel to an island
in the Philippines. I believe where Islamist insurgency is exactly
a rare thing. Is that something that they're continuing to
look into.
Speaker 9 (08:40):
They are and police have confirmed that they spent about
a month on an island in the Philippines known to
have a lot of ISIS activity. So it is increasingly
looking like these two shooters, the father and son, were
there planning for this attack. We've also learned overnight that
(09:06):
not only was there one very successful hero who took
down one of the shooters, but at least three others
tried to stop this duo from carrying out their massacre.
Two of them were married. They were a married couple
in their sixties, and it appears that as the two
(09:26):
shooters were exiting their car, right dash cam video of
a car on the highway picked up images of this
couple actually again tackling what looks like the father and
again taking an arm away from him, one of the weapons,
but unfortunately, it looks like he scrambled took another weapon
(09:50):
and from another angle another camera, it appears that he
was able to kill this couple, and that is obviously
it's heart renting, but it shows that there were, you know,
there were in all the darkness of this attack, there
were there were lights, if you will, of humanity that
that shone through.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
We're joined by ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller. I think
one question a lot of Americans probably have as we're
hearing this story, and we also learned about the ISIS
attack in Syria that led to the deaths of two
Iowa National Guard soldiers and uh An interpreter, what's going
(10:34):
on with ISIS?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Right?
Speaker 9 (10:36):
Well, I think it's you know, we're seeing ISIS try
to come back onto the world scene right as you know,
for a long time, I think people thought that ISIS
had been neutralized. Yeah, and you can. You can never
kill an ideology, right, there will always be pockets of it.
But ISIS is showing that they can mount deadly attacks.
(10:58):
What I think is new when we look get what
happened in Australia. We've not really seen ISIS, you know,
target Jews, right, that's something that has fallow Hamas Palestinian
Islamic jihad Aran do. But ISIS is usually targeting enemies
that they you know, sects of Islam that they don't
(11:21):
believe are are strict enough or authentic enough they say, right,
or they're striking Christian communities. So to see them target Jews,
I think is something new and it should it should
worry all of us.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
What has the response been like in Israel? You're coming
to us from Jerusalem, what has the response been like there?
You know, just a few years after the October seventh attacks,
you have a horrific attack like this.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Well, first of.
Speaker 9 (11:56):
All, I have to say I think a lot of
people here were triggered by seeing hundreds of Jews fleeing
gunfire reminded them of the Nova massacre, right when Hamas
opened fire and ended up killing over three hundred young Israelis.
But I also think there's a fair amount of anger,
certainly among Israeli officials, from the Prime Minister to you know,
(12:19):
high level officials in the Mosad Israel spy agency. They
claimed that they had been warning Australia for several months
that the environment was becoming hateful to a point where
it could it could result in violence against the community.
(12:40):
And so I think there's a lot of anger. We
heard some of that from the Israeli Prime Minister himself,
who essentially accused the Australian Prime Minister of being silent
and far too tolerant of the pro Palestinian protests in
Australia that you know, many believe crossed a red line.
In other words, you know, Oviuslee, it is everyone's right
(13:02):
to go on the streets and protest for a cause
they believe in a Palestinian cause, of a cause for gossins, right,
But when you hear chants like gas the Jews over
and over again at these at these rallies, and nothing
is done to rein them in there's no consequences, then
(13:24):
you know you're in a very dangerous territory and this
is you know, it can lead to what we saw,
you know over the weekend, which was you know, basically,
you know, a massacre of Jews, you know that had
gathered hundreds of them on the beach, you know, and
those killed include a Holocaust survivor, a ten year old girl, right,
(13:48):
a couple of rabbis that had helped organize the event,
and other locals from the Jewish community, as well as
two police officers from Australia from Sydney.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But again, you know, Ryan, if you look.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
At what at the video that has come out and
piece it together, I mean, these two shooters were able
to continue to fire for seven minutes. Yeah, right, that's
a long time. That is a long time. I mean
here in Israel we're used to, unfortunately Palestinian militants opening fire,
(14:21):
but it's a minute, a minute and a half, two
minutes until someone usually kills the shooter, whether that's a
civilian or security force an Israeli security force person.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Right.
Speaker 9 (14:34):
But there you saw went on and on and on,
and it was the brave act of that Australian civilian,
Asmaed Alahmad, who finally was able to tackle the father
and take him down, rustle his weapon away. At least
that prevented him from continuing to fire and certainly helped
(14:56):
police later get closer to him and kill him.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Jordana Miller ABC News correspondent with us with all the
latest on the Australia terror attack. Jordana really appreciate the
time and all the great information.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Thanks so much. It's Ryan Gorman with Dan McCain.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Right now, let's bring in our national correspondent Rory O'Neil,
who supports brought to you my Mark Spain real Estate.
So Rory, lot to catch up on this morning. Let's
start with the latest on the Brown University shooting. Some
new surveillance video and images released yesterday, but the suspects
still on the loose.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Yeah, and we don't have a good picture of the
guy's face. The video is better, much clearer quality. You
can see he's about five foot eight, a little bit chubby,
but he's got a mask on so you can't really
see what's going on there. So it's a little bit frustrating.
And they've already told us that the video what does exist,
they haven't showed it from but inside the school is
(15:53):
no help at all. So, you know, again, it gets
us a little bit closer. You're not going to find
him at the gym for sure, But that's about it.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I know, I know we're not supposed to that shame anymore,
But I guess when you've got someone who's the suspect
in school shooting like Brown University, responsible for the debts
of two people and then countless others injured, I think
it's I guess.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Okay, okay to them a little bit.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Yeah, talk about the fact that's an attack on my
hometown's a little ticked off.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Oh is that right, Rhode Island.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So what can you tell us about this any kind
of unique insight for those of us who have.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Never been there or don't know the area or anything. Well,
And it's.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
It's the best part of Providence in terms of the
housing area. It's a very historic neighborhood. You've got some
of the oldest houses in the country on this one
street called Benefit Street. It's like the largest collection of
sixteenth houses from the sixteen hundreds and seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
The cameras are like from the seventeen hundreds too. I
think that's.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Also part of it.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
There's nothing new that's been built over there in a
long long time, so it wouldn't be uh yeah, so
it wouldn't necessarily have that stuff included. So it's a
little frustrating. And yeah, and now that they had the
false flag with the guy getting you know, the suspect
that not a suspect, So it's been a little frustrating
watching from Afar.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
But it does sound like with this latest video, like
you said, Rory, they were able to get a better
idea of height and weight and things like that because
it's a bit clearer. And then also his walk, he's
got kind of a wild Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I likened it earlier to the show The Penguin on
HBO Max.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
You know, he's a little chubby, he's got the wattle
going on there.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's kind of the same.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
Yeah, And maybe that's distinctive and maybe someone there knows
recognizes And remember it's small, small, small state, right yah,
small town, and you know, if the guy's a local,
there's a good chance that someone would know enough to say, hey,
I know that guy. Yeah, I mean or you know,
my cousin knows that guy.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
And how many places are there a search, especially if
you're excluding gyms and things like that, like Rory just said, right,
you know, you would figure investigators could really hone in.
All right, we're joined by our national corresponder Rory O'Neill.
Real quick, I've got to touch on the Australia terror attack.
So we learned isis inspired. The two suspects, one of
them dead, the father dead, the son apparently just came
(18:20):
out of a coma, and it was interesting. One of
the people who was there, who was near the suspect
in the aftermath of the shooting and managed to I think,
like kick him in the head. He was interviewed on CNN.
He's like, hell, yeah, I do it again. It's like
that guy got what was coming to.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Him, Little Aussie justice.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Yeah, from the crowd then before the cops got on
the scene and arrested him. So a lot of his
wounds were inflicted by the people who the people who
responded right to the gunfire.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So that's right.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Yeah, But as you said, out of his coma, apparently
they say the father and son may have gone to
the Philippines a few weeks before this happened. Not sure
what annection there may be there. And then you brought
up this isis inspired. You know, it's that use of
the word inspired that they're going to look at very carefully.
Are there more direct links? Was this just sort of
inspired by remotely? You know, that's what they want to
(19:14):
look into. And of course, you know Australia reviewing some
of its gun laws again that are already pretty tight.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
And then we had this comment from Chuck Schumer about
the Australia terror attack and of.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Course I'm going to say a few words about the
terrible shooting in Sydney, Australia. Okay, so when first, of course,
as I always say, no matter what go bills, they
beat the Patriots today. It's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
That's that is an awkward say. I mean, just go
into the thoughts on the terror attack. Yeah, you need
to do the whole football thing. I think it was
like he was about to go in on his comments
and then remember that he had something else that he
wanted to say.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
First, get just really bad, very bad.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You just let it go, right, Rory. You can't. You
can't circle back to me. Yeah, after that.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, especially in these days, you know, back in
the day, like you could have sort of gotten away
with that.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, there was nothing streaming lives.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
All that stuff. It's all over end, yeah, Dan found Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Right, you get the whole thing. Bosom upset that my
Patriots laws that also upset. So I'm ticked off for
Chuck too.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
So let's go not the list.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Last thing we have to get to. We're joined by
our national correspondent Rory O'Neill Rob Reiner. I mean, this
is just a gruesome, gruesome murder. I mean, from the
details that we're getting about the crime scene itself, to
the details that we're getting in the hotel room where
apparently Ryner's son Nick was staying before he was apprehended.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Right, and still a question, you know, apparently an argument
at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party. Uh but what was it
that you know, this was all about that led to
this horrific crime?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Right?
Speaker 7 (20:51):
And look, this has been a strained relationship for a
long time, sort of ins and outs, ups and downs
that everyone's going back over old interviews they did over
that movie that was sort of loosely based on Nick's life.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And his addiction issues.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
And then Nick would apparently appear on a frequent podcast
sort of about drugs and drug use and drug recovery. Yeah,
that showed just how difficult and challenged his relationship was
with his parents, who Rob Ryder had been quoted in
the past is saying, I will talk to anybody with
a diploma on the wall who can give me an
idea about how to handle this. I think the first
(21:27):
stint and rehab for Nick was when it was fifteen
years old.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, so this has been a lifelong thing.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And props to People magazine. They nailed it. They were
the ones.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yes, but they actually took some criticism I saw because
of the way they presented the headline before he had
even been arrested. They blamed him without even using the
word allegedly or anything like that.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
They put it on him right away.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, because that's when I was talking about the story yesterday,
I mentioned, you know, People Magazine saying that it's the
son Nick and sure enough and the daughter, Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
She told the daughter told police when she called nine
one one. I think it was my brother. He's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, And again that made been what people was going from.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, I think so all right.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Rory O'Neil, our national correspondent with US this morning. Rory,
thanks so much for the update. Appreciate it all right.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Thanks Ryan,
This trending story brought to you by Trajanwealth. Visit them
at trajanwealth dot com. Rob Reiner's thirty two year old
son has been arrested and charged with murdering his parents.
Rob and his wife, Michelle Singer Reiner, were found dead
in their home on Sunday afternoon by their daughter Romy.
She immediately called nine one one and told police she
believed her brother was responsible. He was found and arrested
(00:23):
at around nine to fifteen near usc which is about
fifteen miles away from the home. He's being held without
bail and is reportedly on suicide watch. And I actually
just saw on the New York Post that the LAPD
released photos and videos of his arrest with his face
blurred at and then deleted them later. So those pictures
(00:43):
have I mean, they're everywhere now, but the PD actually
deleted them.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Nick has had a long history of drug abuse and
did seventeen stints in rehab. He apparently got into a
loud argument with his parents at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party
on Saturday night. Robin Michelle left the party early, and
Nick was seen acting erratic and was asking people at
the party, are you famous, Are you famous?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Weird?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And a lot of people have told various media outlets
that Robin Michelle had grown more and more concerned about
his mental health recently. TMZ is also reporting that Billy
Crystal and his wife went to the home while their
bodies were still there. Romy called them over and I
also saw that Larry David went over there too.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah. And the scene must have been really grocery, I think.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Yeah. And the scene at the hotel where Nick had
checked into that was pretty grucial too, area right right.
President Trump had a little something to say about Rob
Reiner following the Hollywood legend's brutal murder. In a truth
social post, Trump wrote, Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling
but once very talented movie director and comedy stars, passed
(01:50):
away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the
anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable
affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump Derangement syndrome.
He was known to have driven people crazy by his
raging obsession of President Donald J.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Trump. So there was more to that post. He did say.
At the end. May Robin Michelle rest in peace.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yes, that was nice, but there was a lot of
blowback from Democrats obviously, Republicans, also a lot of people
who are very much aligned and supportive of aligned with
and supportive of President Trump.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Oh yeah, people definitely say that it was inappropriate. Heraldo,
who's a fan of Trump, was saying that he thinks
it was way out of line, and even some of
our listeners who are very strong Trump supporters, said, yeah,
you know what, that was a.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
Lot that was harsh.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
When asked about those comments in the Oval Office yesterday,
Trump doubled down.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think he heard himself in career wise, he became
like a deranged person Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So I was not a fan of Rob.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Reiner at all in any way, shape or for him.
I thought he was very bad for our country.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
And you go after someone who was just brutally murdered
throat slit like that by that person's son.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
That makes people think you're the deranged one.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, it's just totally inappropriate, out of line, and just
factually incorrect.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
And look, look like I got a note from a listener,
why don't we talk about what Rob Reiner said about Trump?
It doesn't matter like nobody's saying that Trump had to
say anything about Rob Ryaner liked it.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
And that was one of the comments that we got.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
One of the messages that we got on Instagram were
a poll about this where you know, they didn't like
Rob Reiner, but Trump should have just stayed away from this.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
One.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Another person said, sometimes I wish you would just and
then they put the zip mouth emoji.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Nobody is saying that Trump has to go deliver Rob
Reiner's eulogy. Okay, it's just like, don't link his brutal
death to trump derangement syndrome when it had nothing to
do with it.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And just you know, back to that old saying, if
you know something nice to say that, don't say anything
at all. Can we get back to that in this
country would be a much better place.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, and remember we commented on the fact that when
Dick Cheney died, Trump didn't say anything, and we thought
it was odd that he was so silent about it,
But he made the right call in that, you know,
in that situation, he didn't say anything.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
Right, I can understand why Trump would be unhappy with
Rob Reiner. Rob Reiner was very critical of him. Okay, well,
just you know, don't say anything in the aftermath of
his brutal.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Death, right, exactly, That's what you asked.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
So the big new development tied to the Brown University shooting. Yesterday,
Providence Police and the FBI released new surveillance video and
photos of a person of interest that followed the release
of the person they had originally suspected of being responsible
for the shooting. The photos and videos not very clear.
(04:46):
I mean, you can't get a great look at the suspect.
He's wearing a mask and a beanie, and you know.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
You can't see his face or any defining features.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
Really.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah, right, you said there's a big focus on.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
His gut, his belly, Yeah, I mean because that stand o.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
It does.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yeah, although as someone with the belly that stands out,
I didn't realize that could potentially become a clue in
solving a crime. But that's something investigators are looking at.
It's a distinctive feature.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
It is.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Investigators are campassing neighborhoods for more video evidence as well
ring cams, doorbell cams, private footage. A few years ago,
the school newspaper they did a report on surveillance around
campus and it noted that Brown has more than eight
hundred cameras operating. And the reporter wrote this, and I'm quoting,
(05:37):
the scope of the surveillance is staggering. It's impossible to
cross or even approach Brown University without being surveiled. I
encourage you to try. Well, the suspect did, and he
seemed to have picked the one place on campus where
there aren't a lot of cameras.
Speaker 8 (05:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And as I was watching the News Nation coverage of
this story over the last couple of days, one thing
that kept being pointed out over and over is that
school's college campuses need to do a better job of
having more surveillance and more cameras in place to prevent
something like this from happening, or to be able to
have more evidence should something happen.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Yeah, and clear cameras. Why is it that in a
case like this, Yeah, it's like you know, bigfoot footage
where it's all blurry and he can't make out the person.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
Very clearly, is better than right they.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
Have right now.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
He does have a bit of a wattle with his walk,
so you know that the belly, and I guess you
know some other features they'll try to piece together to
find an identity. There was one more story I wanted
to mention time to all of this. Eva Erickson, twenty
five year old survivor contestant. She's a Brown University PhD
student and she narrowly avoided the campus shooting. You know me,
(06:48):
when it comes to these stories, I don't know why,
I just get all.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Wrapped up in.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
She'd been working in the same building where the gunmen
later entered, but left about fifteen minutes earlier after randomly
deciding to go to the gym, something she normally never
does in the afternoon. Just one of those things.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Like she needed to work out.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
Felt like, you know what, I guess I'll go to
the gym now, fifteen minutes before the shooting happened. Yeah,
so strange those stories, Yeah, always get me like this.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
They got shann the right.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Exactly circumstance that saved someone.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, just randomly decided to go to the gym in
the afternoon, never does it, and luckily for her, wasn't
there when the shooting occurred.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Right now, let's go to.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
The hotline and bring in ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller
with the latest on the Australia terror attack. So Jordana,
we get some new details, especially on the suspects. What
have we learned over the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 9 (07:41):
Well, we've learned from Australian authorities that they now believe
the shooters were motivated by an ideology connected to ISIS right.
We had heard reports that ISIS flags were found in
the car. Authorities have now confirmed there were handmade if
you will ISIS flags that were found, as well as
(08:05):
components of what appear to be an ied right components
to make explosives. Now, the Australian police say they do
not believe these two shooters were connected to a larger cell,
but again that's an initial assessment and obviously the investigation
is continuing, and.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
There are some questions about their travel to an island
in the Philippines. I believe where Islamist insurgency is exactly
a rare thing. Is that something that they're continuing to
look into.
Speaker 9 (08:40):
They are and police have confirmed that they spent about
a month on an island in the Philippines known to
have a lot of ISIS activity. So it is increasingly
looking like these two shooters, the father and son, were
there planning for this attack. We've also learned overnight that
(09:06):
not only was there one very successful hero who took
down one of the shooters, but at least three others
tried to stop this duo from carrying out their massacre.
Two of them were married. They were a married couple
in their sixties, and it appears that as the two
(09:26):
shooters were exiting their car, right dash cam video of
a car on the highway picked up images of this
couple actually again tackling what looks like the father and
again taking an arm away from him, one of the weapons,
but unfortunately, it looks like he scrambled took another weapon
(09:50):
and from another angle another camera, it appears that he
was able to kill this couple, and that is obviously
it's heart renting, but it shows that there were, you know,
there were in all the darkness of this attack, there
were there were lights, if you will, of humanity that
that shone through.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
We're joined by ABC News correspondent Jordana Miller. I think
one question a lot of Americans probably have as we're
hearing this story, and we also learned about the ISIS
attack in Syria that led to the deaths of two
Iowa National Guard soldiers and uh An interpreter, what's going
(10:34):
on with ISIS?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Right?
Speaker 9 (10:36):
Well, I think it's you know, we're seeing ISIS try
to come back onto the world scene right as you know,
for a long time, I think people thought that ISIS
had been neutralized. Yeah, and you can. You can never
kill an ideology, right, there will always be pockets of it.
But ISIS is showing that they can mount deadly attacks.
(10:58):
What I think is new when we look get what
happened in Australia. We've not really seen ISIS, you know,
target Jews, right, that's something that has fallow Hamas Palestinian
Islamic jihad Aran do. But ISIS is usually targeting enemies
that they you know, sects of Islam that they don't
(11:21):
believe are are strict enough or authentic enough they say, right,
or they're striking Christian communities. So to see them target Jews,
I think is something new and it should it should
worry all of us.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
What has the response been like in Israel? You're coming
to us from Jerusalem, what has the response been like there?
You know, just a few years after the October seventh attacks,
you have a horrific attack like this.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Well, first of.
Speaker 9 (11:56):
All, I have to say I think a lot of
people here were triggered by seeing hundreds of Jews fleeing
gunfire reminded them of the Nova massacre, right when Hamas
opened fire and ended up killing over three hundred young Israelis.
But I also think there's a fair amount of anger,
certainly among Israeli officials, from the Prime Minister to you know,
(12:19):
high level officials in the Mosad Israel spy agency. They
claimed that they had been warning Australia for several months
that the environment was becoming hateful to a point where
it could it could result in violence against the community.
(12:40):
And so I think there's a lot of anger. We
heard some of that from the Israeli Prime Minister himself,
who essentially accused the Australian Prime Minister of being silent
and far too tolerant of the pro Palestinian protests in
Australia that you know, many believe crossed a red line.
In other words, you know, Oviuslee, it is everyone's right
(13:02):
to go on the streets and protest for a cause
they believe in a Palestinian cause, of a cause for gossins, right,
But when you hear chants like gas the Jews over
and over again at these at these rallies, and nothing
is done to rein them in there's no consequences, then
(13:24):
you know you're in a very dangerous territory and this
is you know, it can lead to what we saw,
you know over the weekend, which was you know, basically,
you know, a massacre of Jews, you know that had
gathered hundreds of them on the beach, you know, and
those killed include a Holocaust survivor, a ten year old girl, right,
(13:48):
a couple of rabbis that had helped organize the event,
and other locals from the Jewish community, as well as
two police officers from Australia from Sydney.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But again, you know, Ryan, if you look.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
At what at the video that has come out and
piece it together, I mean, these two shooters were able
to continue to fire for seven minutes. Yeah, right, that's
a long time. That is a long time. I mean
here in Israel we're used to, unfortunately Palestinian militants opening fire,
(14:21):
but it's a minute, a minute and a half, two
minutes until someone usually kills the shooter, whether that's a
civilian or security force an Israeli security force person.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Right.
Speaker 9 (14:34):
But there you saw went on and on and on,
and it was the brave act of that Australian civilian,
Asmaed Alahmad, who finally was able to tackle the father
and take him down, rustle his weapon away. At least
that prevented him from continuing to fire and certainly helped
(14:56):
police later get closer to him and kill him.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Jordana Miller ABC News correspondent with us with all the
latest on the Australia terror attack. Jordana really appreciate the
time and all the great information.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Thanks so much. It's Ryan Gorman with Dan McCain.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Right now, let's bring in our national correspondent Rory O'Neil,
who supports brought to you my Mark Spain real Estate.
So Rory, lot to catch up on this morning. Let's
start with the latest on the Brown University shooting. Some
new surveillance video and images released yesterday, but the suspects
still on the loose.
Speaker 7 (15:31):
Yeah, and we don't have a good picture of the
guy's face. The video is better, much clearer quality. You
can see he's about five foot eight, a little bit chubby,
but he's got a mask on so you can't really
see what's going on there. So it's a little bit frustrating.
And they've already told us that the video what does exist,
they haven't showed it from but inside the school is
(15:53):
no help at all. So, you know, again, it gets
us a little bit closer. You're not going to find
him at the gym for sure, But that's about it.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
I know, I know we're not supposed to that shame anymore,
But I guess when you've got someone who's the suspect
in school shooting like Brown University, responsible for the debts
of two people and then countless others injured, I think
it's I guess.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Okay, okay to them a little bit.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Yeah, talk about the fact that's an attack on my
hometown's a little ticked off.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Oh is that right, Rhode Island.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So what can you tell us about this any kind
of unique insight for those of us who have.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Never been there or don't know the area or anything. Well,
And it's.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
It's the best part of Providence in terms of the
housing area. It's a very historic neighborhood. You've got some
of the oldest houses in the country on this one
street called Benefit Street. It's like the largest collection of
sixteenth houses from the sixteen hundreds and seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
The cameras are like from the seventeen hundreds too. I
think that's.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Also part of it.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
There's nothing new that's been built over there in a
long long time, so it wouldn't be uh yeah, so
it wouldn't necessarily have that stuff included. So it's a
little frustrating. And yeah, and now that they had the
false flag with the guy getting you know, the suspect
that not a suspect, So it's been a little frustrating
watching from Afar.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
But it does sound like with this latest video, like
you said, Rory, they were able to get a better
idea of height and weight and things like that because
it's a bit clearer. And then also his walk, he's
got kind of a wild Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
I likened it earlier to the show The Penguin on
HBO Max.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
You know, he's a little chubby, he's got the wattle
going on there.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
It's kind of the same.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
Yeah, And maybe that's distinctive and maybe someone there knows
recognizes And remember it's small, small, small state, right yah,
small town, and you know, if the guy's a local,
there's a good chance that someone would know enough to say, hey,
I know that guy. Yeah, I mean or you know,
my cousin knows that guy.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
And how many places are there a search, especially if
you're excluding gyms and things like that, like Rory just said, right,
you know, you would figure investigators could really hone in.
All right, we're joined by our national corresponder Rory O'Neill.
Real quick, I've got to touch on the Australia terror attack.
So we learned isis inspired. The two suspects, one of
them dead, the father dead, the son apparently just came
(18:20):
out of a coma, and it was interesting. One of
the people who was there, who was near the suspect
in the aftermath of the shooting and managed to I think,
like kick him in the head. He was interviewed on CNN.
He's like, hell, yeah, I do it again. It's like
that guy got what was coming to.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Him, Little Aussie justice.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Yeah, from the crowd then before the cops got on
the scene and arrested him. So a lot of his
wounds were inflicted by the people who the people who
responded right to the gunfire.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So that's right.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Yeah, But as you said, out of his coma, apparently
they say the father and son may have gone to
the Philippines a few weeks before this happened. Not sure
what annection there may be there. And then you brought
up this isis inspired. You know, it's that use of
the word inspired that they're going to look at very carefully.
Are there more direct links? Was this just sort of
inspired by remotely? You know, that's what they want to
(19:14):
look into. And of course, you know Australia reviewing some
of its gun laws again that are already pretty tight.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
And then we had this comment from Chuck Schumer about
the Australia terror attack and of.
Speaker 8 (19:25):
Course I'm going to say a few words about the
terrible shooting in Sydney, Australia. Okay, so when first, of course,
as I always say, no matter what go bills, they
beat the Patriots today. It's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
That's that is an awkward say. I mean, just go
into the thoughts on the terror attack. Yeah, you need
to do the whole football thing. I think it was
like he was about to go in on his comments
and then remember that he had something else that he
wanted to say.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
First, get just really bad, very bad.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
You just let it go, right, Rory. You can't. You
can't circle back to me. Yeah, after that.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, especially in these days, you know, back in
the day, like you could have sort of gotten away
with that.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, there was nothing streaming lives.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
All that stuff. It's all over end, yeah, Dan found Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Right, you get the whole thing. Bosom upset that my
Patriots laws that also upset. So I'm ticked off for
Chuck too.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
So let's go not the list.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Last thing we have to get to. We're joined by
our national correspondent Rory O'Neill Rob Reiner. I mean, this
is just a gruesome, gruesome murder. I mean, from the
details that we're getting about the crime scene itself, to
the details that we're getting in the hotel room where
apparently Ryner's son Nick was staying before he was apprehended.
Speaker 9 (20:39):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
Right, and still a question, you know, apparently an argument
at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party. Uh but what was it
that you know, this was all about that led to
this horrific crime?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Right?
Speaker 7 (20:51):
And look, this has been a strained relationship for a
long time, sort of ins and outs, ups and downs
that everyone's going back over old interviews they did over
that movie that was sort of loosely based on Nick's life.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And his addiction issues.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
And then Nick would apparently appear on a frequent podcast
sort of about drugs and drug use and drug recovery. Yeah,
that showed just how difficult and challenged his relationship was
with his parents, who Rob Ryder had been quoted in
the past is saying, I will talk to anybody with
a diploma on the wall who can give me an
idea about how to handle this. I think the first
(21:27):
stint and rehab for Nick was when it was fifteen
years old.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, so this has been a lifelong thing.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And props to People magazine. They nailed it. They were
the ones.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yes, but they actually took some criticism I saw because
of the way they presented the headline before he had
even been arrested. They blamed him without even using the
word allegedly or anything like that.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
They put it on him right away.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, because that's when I was talking about the story yesterday,
I mentioned, you know, People Magazine saying that it's the
son Nick and sure enough and the daughter, Yes.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
She told the daughter told police when she called nine
one one. I think it was my brother. He's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, And again that made been what people was going from.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, I think so all right.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Rory O'Neil, our national correspondent with US this morning. Rory,
thanks so much for the update. Appreciate it all right.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Thanks Ryan,
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