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December 10, 2025 15 mins
“Is your grocery cart blocking the aisle, or are you the one laying on the horn the second the light turns green?”

 🚦🛒 This episode of dives headfirst into the everyday frustrations that unite us all—whether it’s clueless shoppers, infuriating drivers, or the hilarious quirks that make Sandy and Tricia’s dynamic so irresistible. From birthday shoutouts to Raven Simone and Bobby Flay, to a jaw-dropping $120,000 New Year’s Eve package at the Knickerbocker Hotel, the show is packed with surprises, laughter, and a dash of holiday magic. Key Moments & Themes:
  • Relatable Rants: Sandy’s witty take on grocery store etiquette and Tricia’s “come on little friend” mantra will have you nodding (and laughing) in agreement.
  • Driving Drama: “You really turned me on last night when you laid on the horn!” Sandy confesses, revealing the couple’s playful banter about road rage and honking habits.
  • Diary of Perpetual Disappointments: Inspired by John Cena’s decade-long Mandarin studies, Sandy adds “languages I’ll never learn” to his list, sparking a candid conversation about goals, regrets, and the Duolingo owl’s relentless reminders.
  • Holiday Extravagance: Tricia breaks down the ultra-luxurious Knickerbocker Hotel New Year’s Eve package, complete with a $20,000 glam budget and a personal content capture concierge. “That’s the only way I’d do Times Square!” she declares.
  • Care or Don’t Care: From Will Ferrell’s $319,000 Elf costume to Joe Jonas’s seven-minute parallel parking struggle, Sandy and Tricia debate the stories that matter most—ending with America’s favorite Christmas movie, as chosen by everyday people (not critics!).
Memorable Quotes:
  • “I have a little timer at red lights. If the car in front doesn’t move, I just honk. Let’s go!” 🚗🔔
  • “Languages I’ll never learn… I just got out of the Duolingo routine. The little owl misses me.” 🦉
  • “You really turned me on last night when you laid on the horn!” 💥
Why Listen? If you’ve ever felt the sting of a perpetual disappointment, or just want to laugh at the chaos of holiday shopping and driving, this episode is for you.  Sandy and Tricia’s chemistry, honesty, and humor will keep you hooked from start to finish.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Take a look at some birthdays for today. Raven Simone from.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
The Cosby Show, Rudy right, yeah, she is forty years
old now, Oh my.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Gosh, it's impossible. She's six.

Speaker 4 (00:13):
I know.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Bobby Flay, the Iron Chef. He celebrates number sixty one today.
Susan Day from the Partridge Family is seventy three years
old today. And someone I haven't thought of, but sir,
was a nice reminder to see. That is her birthday today.
If you were an Entourage fan, you know who I'm
talking about. Emmanuel shrie Que. I think I said her

(00:35):
last name c h R I q u I is
her birthday today? She is celebrating number fifty. She's real pretty?

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Is she pretty?

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah? She real pretty?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Really pretty. So those are the birthdays. If it's your birthday,
Happy birthday from everybody here. From me, I don't know
if Trisha's gonna wish you a happy birthday.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Of course I wish them a happy birthday. Okay, not
an animal?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
No, what's first thing made you laugh? Today?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
They should build a separate grocery store for people who
have actually purchased food before, who know how to push
a cart and possess.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
At least an ounce of spatial awareness.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Esthetic, I think they're the only person in the world
when they leave their grocery cart in the middle of
the aisle.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
You know, stop in the middle of the aisle.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, take a look around people.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
There are other people around you shopping.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
What frustrates you more? At Tricia the grocery store. I mean,
Trisia's pretty irritable. But driving our grocery store, I think
it's driving. I think driving frustrates me more. Yeah, Tricia's
funny little thing that she says, come on, little friend,
Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Little friend, let's go. If I'm letting you.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
In, the light is green, little friend.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
See, I start off coming from a place of niceness
and it very quickly dissolves into not niceness. But in
the grocery store, if you're one of those people who
stops in the middle of the aisle or blocks everything,
I will step up from behind my cart and go
move your cart over so I can get through.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Or I'll say, excuse me, you really turned me on.
Last night when we were driving home from we went
and grabbed a burger for dinner. Last night, We're going
through the parking lot of a big shopping center and
there was a car that was coming and did not
have the right of way and didn't even look and
just barreled through the intersection and Trista.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Laid along the horn on the hark.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
I was so attractive.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Are you you love a lay on the horn?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Oh yeah, I'm a honker.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
You're a lay on the horn half a second after
the light turned screen and they haven't gone.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Like, I'm a lay on the horn for that kind
of a violation.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm an escalated lay on the horn. You're an all
the time lay on the horn.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, I have.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I have a little claw, a little timer that goes
off on me at red lights and if the car
in front of me doesn't move in time, it just
automatically at his honk Im like, let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
When I'm with you and you do that, I'm all easy, dude,
God get me.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
People are set, people are staring at their phone.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh I know.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
It just drives me, insane, drives me.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Do you.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I just think that you deploy the lay on the
horn way more than it should be deployed. I think
you save that for extreme cases and you don't do that.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Maybe I'll make that my new Year's resolution, lay off
the honking a little bit and see if it does anything.
Coming up on the show today, we haven't done it
in a while, but I've got another entry into my
diary of perpetual disappointments. I know this is the time
of hope and cheer, but I have disappointments.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
All year long, all year long, and he writes them
down so he doesn't forget them.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
And it was John Cena who made me realize this disappointment.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Oh. John Cena is normally such a nice, up positive guy.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
He was, but I heard an interview with him recently
and it made me realize that that's a perpetual disappointment
of mine.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
You'll never be John Cena.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Well something else.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, you'll You'll get it in just a little bit,
so stick around.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Also, the story We Love is next one three one
Austin dot Com.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I want to spend New Year's even Times Square. I
question your sanity, but there's a really nice package you
can purchase. Trisha's gonna tell us about it, and just
what I feel like this is outrageous.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's out rageous, but also this is the only way
that I would be in Times Square on New Year's Eve.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
All right, that's just a moment away. Powerball players.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
Nine hundred and thirty million dollars up for grabs, could
be yours, but you can't win if you don't play.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Got to pay it to play. Nine hundred and thirty
million dollars. Jackpop that drawings tonight, boy.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
That'd make for a nice Christmas. What 'n it?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I'd go ahead and get you those Hokahs you want
so badly, Sandy his Stories We Love. In honor of
its upcoming one hundred and twentieth anniversary, the knicker Barker
Hotel is going all out for New Year's Eve. The
Times Square Hotel has unveiled its toast to one hundred
and twenty years, a one hundred and twenty thousand dollars
New Year's Eve experience.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
It's for two guests.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
It gives you if you this is what you buy
when you want ultra luxury front row all the perks
that you can possibly get to go with it. This
includes a twenty thousand dollars glam budget designed to make
the night feel like a red carpet premiere, so you
get all new clothes and all glammed down you enjoy
a three night stay in one of the Knickerbocker's suites.

(05:04):
You receive private access to the Saint Claud rooftop, where
there's a dedicated pod overlooking the ball drop.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
It comes with.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Bottle service Palmer's steak Well, I don't, let's see bottle
service champagne at midnight. You start the evening with a
multi course New Year's Eve dinner at some fancy steakhouse
like the whole thing, one hundred and twenty thousand dollars
all in to bring twenty twenty six in right.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
Wow, Yes, yet bad kind of money. Wow. But now
you say that's the only way you can do it.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Huh's the only way you can do it.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Also, you get a quote personal content capture concierge.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Do you know what that is? Handy?

Speaker 4 (05:42):
I mean someone following you around taking pictures.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Taking pictures, so you get the perfect social media picks,
rooftop party access, live music, everything, photo shoots.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I just did a I just did a quick search
of the Knickerbocker Hotel. If we wanted to stay there
this Friday night, how much would cause for a deluxe
king room. Listen to this seven hundred and fifty nine
dollars a night seven hundred and fifty nine dollars.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
A night for Deluxe King Room. Yeah, at the Knickerbocker.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
If you want to go Deluxe Premiere with a view
of the city, you're going to spend thirty bucks more
seven hundred and eighty nine bucks.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Look up the Knickerbocker's Tribute Suites Tribute Suite, Tribute Suites,
because that was included a three night stay and one
of their Tribute suites.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
I can't find the suites right now. I'm just in
the rooms all.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
You're too expensive to even be listed.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Here is a junior suite for nine hundred and thirty
nine dollars that doesn't have the Tribute Suite listed in Deluxe.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Maybe it does.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
No, have you ever been a big, a big New
Ye's Eve fan. I'm just not. I'm really not not really.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
I tried hard once to like it, but i'd spent
nineteen ninety nine. In the two thousand, I went with
a group of people down in Mexico. Yeah, and we
rented a house there and had a party and stuff,
and I think I passed out at like eleven. Oh.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
Yeah, you've I've known you for twenty three years.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Now almost and I think I've ever seen you one
time stay up till midnight.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
No, it's not my thing anymore.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Even when I was younger and I drank a lot,
and I'd start early and just never make it to midnight.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
You know. It's one of those things. Yeah, that's the story.
We love. Stick around. We've got more coming up. One
O three point one Austin.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
A Perpetual Disappointment's Diary.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
It's done by the guy. His name is.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
It's Asberry and Asberry on Twitter if you want to
follow on. It's a real book, Like you go down
and you write things that just disappoint you, things that
haven't gone your way. Just a way to be reminded
of things of your reality.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Really is what it is supposed to be a joke,
and never in a millionaires that you'd actually fill it in.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Here are some of my past entries, and I'm gonna
give you my new entry, which was inspired by John
Cena in just a Moment entry. How I know I
am not one of God's little soldiers. People I know
I will never speak to again, grudges, I will all
keep things. I will never organize game shows, I'll never
host people, I used to dislike, but now I like.

(08:07):
I just won't even remember that I used to dislike them.
It's a long list, and just a couple more here.
Best guess when I die. And annoying conversations. I have overheard.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Texts I shouldn't have sent, games.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Games I'm not good at. Yeah, things like that. Now
I've got.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
My latest interview is inspired by John Cena, the wrestler
and actor. Yeah, and I heard him in an interview
recently and he was discussing how the when he was
a wrestler, the wwe offered all these all kinds of
things that they would offer you to do, and one
of them was a language course, and he spent ten
years studying Mandarin Chinese.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Ah geez.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
So that made me realize a great entry into my
diary of perpetual disappointments is languages I will never learn. Yeah,
I've tried to learn Spanish. It's gotten better, but it
just doesn't click with me.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Click or you just didn't do it long enough.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
I did it.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I mean it's better, I mean it's much better than
when I started. But I'm not I'm certainly not fluent,
and I want to be. I guess I just don't
want to put in the work, yea to do it.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I just got out of the dual lingo routine.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes, I did too, I did. I used to do
it every day. Yeah, and then I just kind of
quit doing it. And then I get all kinds of
messages from him. Hey, we missed you over here.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Du a lingo? You know what I mean? Yeah, the
little bird shows up at owl. I think it's what is.
But yeah, so those are that's my latest entry.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
And what's funny about John Cena is he studied the
language forever and then he was over in China promoting
one of his movies and he said something really offensive.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Oh no, yeah, and he didn't really know that he was.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Oh he didn't do it on purpose.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Didn't do it on purpose, but he said something really
really offensive and spent a long time.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Like apologizing trying to fix it.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think that John Cena has the record for the
most make a wish, yeah, for children, make a wishes granted? Yeah, children,
isn't that cool? Yeah, and you never really hear about them.
I love it that he just kind of does it.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, they get out every once in a while, but
he does it on the down low.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I used to think it was on the lowdown. I
used to think the phrase was the lowdown. Now kids
say low key, Oh yeah, same thing, yeah right, yeah,
but I would.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Low key also means I don't really care like I
low key like him. Yeah, A little bit, yeah, a
little bit bit like him.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I low key like.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
But I used to say, yeah, he would do it
on the lowdown. Isn't there Isn't there a phrase like
you low down? Dirty rash? Yeah, rotten scandal, Yeah, yeah,
there's some. I'm happy to have a new entry into
my diarrhea. Perpetual disupport languages you will never learn.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Stay with us more. Coming out three Austin dot com.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Happy holidays everyone. It is Sandy from The Sandy Show.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
And you know the holidays are a magical time of
the year, a time where anything can happen, like maybe
a rode parking spot at the mall or a family
photo where everybody looks great. This year, give a little
magic of your own. Give holiday scratch tickets. We're talking
top prizes from five hundred dollars all the way up

(11:13):
to two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Give the gift
of infinite possibilities, give holiday scratch tickets from the Texas Lottery.
Air Goggers, get your imaginary mallet out, get ready to
hit your imaginary gong now. For the first person just
tuning in, it's like, what is he talking about? These
are a group of people that, at the end of
our care, don't care song they strike the gong. And

(11:35):
if you would like your air gonger number, feel free
to text us.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
We will get it right back to you.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
I have to do is text your name the word
gong g O n G two seven three seven three
zero one ninety six hundred.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
All right, Sandy, let's start with my favorite holiday movie Elf.
Do you care or don't care to find out how
much one of Will Ferrell's Elf costumes sold for recently?

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I love this kind of stuff that I planned to
watch Elf over the holiday season having never seen it,
So yes, I care?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yep it sold for three hundred and nineteen thousand dollars.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
What weirdo about that?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
It was one?

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It was the actual costume he wore in the scene
where he gets on an elevator and pushes every single
elevator button the first time in New York City On
an elevator.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
That's pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Oh, it's such a good movie. You have to watch
it with me and Landry our daughter.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Okay, speaking of Landry, and I think all kids do
this when they get in an elevator.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
They want to push every single button. Right.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Oh and when she was a little Landry, God help
you if you push the button and didn't let her
push it.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, oh, she would you right in the ship.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
She would lose it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Something about kids and pushing buttons, All right, Sandy, care
don't care to hear about a very funny Joe Jonas interaction,
I should say, a lurking interaction between Joe Jonas and
a fan who spotted in in New York City trying
to do something we all struggle with.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Of course I care.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
So a woman is sitting in a restaurant and notices
that there's a guy across the street from the restaurant
trying to parallel park. She then realizes it's Joe Jonas.
She sits there and watches Joe Jonas try and parallel
park for seven minutes before he finally got it. She
then edited the video put it up. It was viewed
more than eight and a half million times. And she said,

(13:33):
Joe Jonas trying to park for the last seven minutes,
and he saw it and responded, and I saw you
watch me and not help.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Once I got to give it to Joe Jonas, for
I would have never spent I go find someplace else so.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
I can get into it.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I feel like once you find a spot in New
York City, you got to commit to it. It's probably
few and far between. Oh, but seven minutes? Is there
anything worse? There's been plenty of memes that are like,
if you see someone parallel parking, turn around, walk there way,
give them their privacy.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
It's embarrassing enough as it is.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I am a terrible parallel parker because I, Ah, my
car didn't have a backup camera.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
I haven't even when you had a car that had
a backup camera. You are a terrible parallel But.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Now they've got the lines and they get some cars
you can just push the button in a parallel.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah, that one of those cars.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah. I kind of like the challenge of parallel parking.
I feel very adult when I successfully parallel park.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
You're pretty good at it, too, pretty good at it all?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Right, Sandy, Finally, do you care or don't care to
find out what the most popular Christmas movie in America is?

Speaker 4 (14:33):
The most popular Christmas I thought we just covered this yesterday.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, according to pixel Parade, it's this one. Now, what
do we cover yesterday?

Speaker 1 (14:40):
The Mirror, the the one that we watched a couple
of years ago. Yeah, number one on the list now,
according to IMDb.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
According to IMDb, this is according to another website called
pixel Parade, They surveyed thousands of adults across the United
States and came up with this one movie.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yes I care, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
They talk to the people.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
They talked to the p that people who know, not
the film critics. No, they talked to the to the
every day Joe Schmos who know what a good Christmas
movie is? And what's random about this is our sixteen
year old daughter, just two days ago watched this at
a friend's house.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Foh, yeah, she loved it.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's a classic. Its sucker is that's care? Don't care?
What's your name, Chrisia, I'm Sandy Moore coming up? Well
that's it.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Do us a solid and copy and paste the link
to this episode and send it to a friend or two.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Thanks for listening,
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