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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael, especially during the holidays.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's it's kind of disconcerting, you know, to tune in
to the podcast and I hear you. But at the
same time, it's it's really cool that I get to
hear some new voices after If it wasn't for the
holidays and Jesse Kelly taking off, I never would have
got to hear you, and and I think of you
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as part of my family.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I can start the new year out in the first
program of the new year with a hearty thank you
for that very nice talkback.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Do you know what airy code that was from?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Do not? Okay?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But instead I would be my typical jerk self.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You were just waiting for the other shoe to drop,
weren't you.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
No, If I'm a member of the family, where's my gift?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Here's how the two of us are different. To me,
the formerly fat ass five three and fifty plus pound guy,
You're thinking where's my gifts? And I'm thinking, where's my
Christmas dinner invite?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, yeah, well I take that too.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Although not knowing, but he might be the crazy uncle.
He might be the crazy one, so you don't really
want to go over there for dinner. You just want
them to like send you a really nice gift. Yeah,
sure that will work, you know, which would probably end
up being what a gift card to Sears Sears roebucking company.
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I'm trying to think of anything I could that doesn't
exist anymore. I don't think there are any Seers.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Maybe some outlets and like the back end of a
strip mall that you really don't want to go to.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, we do have some news today,
and I'll.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'm surprised you were able to fit through the door
with your ego.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Well, between that and then the email I just received
from our head muckety muck that is actually you know
what this comes from, mister Chris Berry. Mister Chris Berry
happens to be the he's the head of twenty four
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to seven News and he is like the senior VP here.
I'm gonna get his title wrong, so you'll probably be
now he's gonna be pissed.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Off about that signature line in the email.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Oh yes here executive vice president News talking sports. So
he's over all of that, like he's over Jojo, you
know and everybody else. Michael, I had a chance.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
This literally just.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Came in like eight fifty nine. I had a chance
to listen to the Weekend and was very pleased with
how you were able to develop the Venezuela story just
hours after it broke. It seems like we've got a
lot of news stories on the weekend, and you do
a terrific job of giving it to your listeners in
real time.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Well done, Chris. Wow Wow, wow, wow wow.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I have to say that truly, that to me is
coming from who it comes from. And I've known Christopher.
I don't know, I'm in my what nineteenth year here
or something. I've known chrispher ten years or something, but
I've never had that. It's always been hey can you
It's always been a request, can you go do this?
Can you go do that? Can you go do this?
It's been always been that sort of stuff. It's never
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been a hey, wow, that was really good stuff. And
we have some other breaking news today which even makes
my head even bigger. How many AM stations do we
have in this in this building?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Three AM stations?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
We got Freedom over here ninety three seven, seven sixty AM.
We've got our old stomping ground six thirty k out
six thirty AM. And of course we got the blowtworts
here eight fifty AM ninety four to one FM news Radio.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
KOA right, correct, Yeah, guess who.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Is now back on the old station and now is
the only person in the entire building on all three
A M stations. We need to get like a bulldozer
here to make this door double.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Wide, the jaws of life just right, Yeah, to.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Get back to get my big exploding ego in through
the door. Uh, you want to tell them what we're doing.
I guess we're not doing it.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
We were told I'm doing it, but yeah, yeah, uh huh,
I'm doing more work to make sure that this happens.
But but you, I'm.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Sure that there will be you know, do compensation for
the extra work that you're doing, just as I've been assured.
Checked the mailbox, nothing there yet about you know, do
compensation for you know, using my voice everywhere? What time
is it two to four am? I to be calling it?
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Actually we should say what are they? You and I
have no say in this book. I guess we had
a little bit to say. It was kind of like, hey,
here's what we're doing. Are you okay with this?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I like you.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That's kind of a passive aggressive way of saying, hey,
here's what we're doing. We don't really care what you
think we're doing it anyway, but we thought we'd just
give you an opportunity to if you object, you know
you can object. Now why I don't know why we
would have objected. There's no reason to object.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Of course. You wouldn't, you know, object to any of
this because you're not doing anything extra to work on this. Me,
on the other hand, I got a couple of buttons
I need to push.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So from two to four on six thirty k h
w W k h o w h. It's called situates.
Michael Brown.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
What reloaded? Michael Brown reloads?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Oh, Michael Brown situates Michael Brown reloaded correct from two
to four on six thirty K.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
You haven't even heard the opener yet. You you want
me to play that here for me?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I haven't heard it at all, haven't you? Again?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
This is this situation we load it with Michael Brown
reloading top moments from today's situation.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Now I'm nine to noon on K away.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Oh, there you go. Let's they just you know it,
put some time into that.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
They actually between Tepper and AJ and the voiceover guy,
the vo guy, they actually did a fairly decent job.
Should we give them a golf clap?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Anything happened while we were gone, not a thing.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I didn't pay attention to this single bit of news
at all.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I didn't for the first few days, and then I
just I couldn't resist, And of course then I had
to come back and I and I'm so glad I
did the Saturday program. One because Chris Barry heard it,
but two because it was It allowed me to I'm
not gonna let that one go. It allowed me to
ease back into things. Of course, I eased back into
it by spending.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
The entire three hours.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Dissecting everything you could possibly want to know about what
was going on in Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh real quick, let's get to the text line three
three one zero three from Gouber number seventy five forty
four of Mike. Isn't this how cancer sells take over
an organism? Yes, yes, I am the cancer of iHeart.
I'm metasticizing. I'm metastasizing every.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Oh you know I haven't done that yet, but that
you remind me, I've not yet opened the text line
for today, so I've got to go do that.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Three three one zero three text Mike or Michael, wait
for the verification code. That's still annoying, and that's still
going on.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
That's still going on, and I'm still trying to get
the eliminating the keyword Mike or Michael, but we have
not yet accomplished that. So let me put in the
verification code and get to log in and yes, oh
here's a nice one. Let's see, good morning, and welcome
back to you, mister redbeer. This is Goober number six
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zero eight five, six zero eight five, stupid question of
the day. The Duro was air quotes here, collected in
the middle of the night, and arrived in New York
on Saturday morning. By Saturday morning, there were already protesters
with matching signs marching.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
In the streets.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
How do they have time to get any signs, much
less matching signs?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
What am I missing? Well, Goober's six zero eight five.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
If you stay tuned, you might learn what the term
AstroTurf means and exactly what was going on in New York.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
The city so nice they named it twice. So let's
get rolling.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
But we're not going to do Venezuela just yet, because
there is I'm always fascinating. Having been privileged in my
lifetime to have been inside the bubble with potus on
you know, dozens and dozens and dozens of occasions. I
know what it's like when the president is driving along
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in the motor kid and says to the driver or
to the head of his security detail, Hey, I want
to stop and get a diet coke, or let's stop
at the donut shop, or let's you know, go through
in and out or whatever it might be, all of
which I have seen happen.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So we're getting ready to execute a precision, highly.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Coordinated military slash criminal activity inside a Did you knowl
at Maduro lived on a military base. He didn't live
like in some presidential palace. He lived on a military base.
And in that base or on that base or whatever,
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you know, baracks that he was living in, there was
a safe house.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And so the military, you.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Know, the CIA, the military, the DEA, everybody had everything
co ordinated and they grabbed him just as he was
getting into the safe house. That's amazing. But what all
went on before that? And you think I want to
talk about all the logistics. You think I want to
talk about all of the the effort and the planning
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the op sect. It's amazing. I think if anything, Secretary
of War, Secretary of Defense, whatever we're supposed to call him,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't care. Pete Heggs, I think learned.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We chat?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
What's happened? What telegraph? What were they texting on when
we were going to bomb him? And and he texted
his wife and somebody else about, oh the universe launch
the bombs in a couple of hours, and it almost
I think it almost cost him his job this time.
Nothing absolutely nothing in terms of leaks about this about
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to take place. But I just find this fascinating because
I've seen it happen before, but nobody reports it that.
I don't think the press pool, the White House presspool
that was down in mar Lagu reported on this. Trump
had the motorcade pulled into a Florida strip mall Friday morning.
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I don't know where they're going from the airport to
mar Alogo. I thought, I don't know what they he arrived,
but think about this, he knows it in the back
of his head or maybe in the in the frontal forte.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I don't the frontal lobe.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I don't I don't know where it was, but somewhere
in his head he knew that I'm going to pull
the plug on this operation at some point, and that's
got to be you know, you hope it. You hope
it doesn't turn into a Jimmy Carter fiasco, you know
in Caracas. You hope it turns into a you know,
a successful operation. But on the way you decide, hey, guys,
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pull over here. According to White House pool reports, the
motorcade arrived at a shopping center in lakewook Worth, Florida,
at nine six in the morning on Friday, and Trump
went him to arc Stone and Tile. If you look
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up arc Stone and Tile, this is great. This is
great advertising for them, isn't it. They're an importer of
Italian marble, marble, Italian marble. A White House official says
that the President was buying Lake and Onyx marble at
his own expense for that ballroom that is going to
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be built on the east end of the White House complex. Now,
of course, their critics have to chime in, and we're
gonna I find it funny because there's a parallel to
the criticism here about Venezuela, who originally put now Trump
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indicted Maduro. Biden put up a reward. I think I
started out at twenty five million dollars. Fifteen US senators
signed a letter to Trump asking why have it you
got Maduro?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now, they never wrote Trump Biden, they never asked Biden that.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
But Democrat senators were really upset in Trump one point, oh,
that he didn't go after Maduro. Those very same senators
now that he's captured, absconded, whatever word you want to
use Maduro, now they're all pitching and moaning about it.
This is American politics in twenty twenty six. Just take
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every single thing you believe or hear, and just take
it with a grain of salt and just you know,
it's either AI or it's just total utter bulltrap.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's amazing to me. But back to the back to
the ballroom.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
So the president was apparently going to buy some Onyx
marble at his own expense for this ballroom. But of
course the critics have to get upset about it. The
New Republic claims that Trump was shopping for his construction
project on the taxpayer's die. Now technically he was, but
is that a criticism because if the president, if the
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president finishes his day and he he goes to the
East Wing, goes up to the residents, it has dinner.
He's having dinner on the taxpayers dime. Yes, because he's
getting paid his salary. Yes, And he's living in public housing.
The utilities are paid for by the taxpayers.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Isn't he still done? I'm not a humber sent sort
I have looked at I haven't looked this up yet,
But isn't he still donating his presidential salary?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Well?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I haven't gotten to that yet. He's donating his salary,
and he's paying for the marble that he bought.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
And I arguement like you were saying that, Yeah, that
the everybody around him and fueling the Beast and the
Secret Service and all that kind of stuff. That's that
is the tax all the embedded costs.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Right, That's what happens when you're president.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Right. So if you, for example, if if Bush and
I are driving along somewhere in southern California and during
the wildfires in two thousand and three, and Bush decides
he wants in and out burger, and we stopped it
at the in and out to get a burger, that's
on taxpayer's dying even if we paid for it ourselves.
But that's the new Republic for you. That's the state
of politics today. Now it's interesting, interesting to me because
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this is somebody that doesn't get reported widely. But apparently
Trump has a history of incorporating marble into his projects.
He remodeled the bathroom. I didn't know this in the
Lincoln bedroom. The Lincoln bedrooms sweet because it's not really
just a bedroom, it's a sweet entirely in marble. He
is an apparently you can find those photos on Truth
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Social Truth Social. I did it in black and white
poly statuary marble. And he says that the design he
chose was appropriate for the Lincoln era. Now, the ballroom construction,
of course, as Dragon points out, is facing scrutiny since
it began with the demolition of the And I want
to point out here when I say the east wing,
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I'm talking about what you see like if you were
to walk on Loafayette Park just north of the White House,
you'll see that those big columns that's the east wing,
and upstairs is the residence. The west wing is actually
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a little difficult to see from Lafayette Park because it's
lower at a lower elevation, and it kind of sits
lower that's the west wing. So when people talk about
him demolishing the east wing, that is technically incorrect. What
he demolished was it would be almost In fact, it
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was about the same size as a double White and
it kind of looked like a double White on the
inside too. It was a structure. I don't know what
the dimensions of it were because it's now been demolished,
but it was just added on to the East wing.
It was an East Wing annex, and it was just
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a bunch of dusty, dirty old offices that sometimes were
used by the First Lady's office or if there were
some like a commission like there there was this FEMA
I don't know whether they used it or not, but
this commission that was gathered from around the country to
look at what to do with FEMA. Well they may
have met in that area. They may have Mountain Roosevelt
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Room too. But my point is this was just a
small annex about the size of a double wide, attached
to the East wing. But everybody wants to make you
think that they've torn down the East wing nose, that
would mean that would mean tearing down the White House.
As most people picture it when I when I say
the White House, that picture you have in your mind,
that's actually the East Wing. And then later on Friday
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and into Saturday morning, that's when Trump over all the
operation to capture the president of the illegitimate President of Venezuela,
Nicholas Maduro. So I just thought that was kind of
an interesting little tidbit about, you know, get a lot
of things on your mind. I gotta buy some marble,
and I gotta capture a president and then have dinner,
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you know what. That's all I gotta do. So hang tight,
We'll be right.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Back, Ronnie.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I can't believe you took two weeks off.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I had to listen to holiday programming in this rig
or should we call it holiday reprogramming?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Hell, I almost turned democrat.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I'll be honest with us. Did you think about him
during the Christmas break?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Honestly I did one time because we were I can
tell you exmightly where it was too. We were going
on the one oh one down to Skyarboro Airport and traffic,
it's just it was just bizarre. And there was a truck.
You know, how we here, we can't We've enter out
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of the the HLV lanes. Yeah, well in Arizona you can't.
And they're very good at it too. By the way,
my daughter is excellent at it. I know it drove
Tammer crazy because she's excellent getting in and out of
the h O V LANX. But there was a semi
doing it, and I just for that brief moment, thought.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, that's him. It's exactly something he would do, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
What he would do.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
So I spent considerable time on Saturday talking about why
the arrest of Maduro was legal. It was lawful, and
obviously it was long overdue. So I don't want to
go through in detail, but I want to spend at
least some time giving you a baseline to explain why
I think it's legal. He was not seized as the
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president of Venezuela. In fact, I don't consider him to
be the president of Venezuela. He was a dictator that
had just usurped power on his own and was sitting
on the presidential throne. He was seized captured as an
indicted narcotics trafficker, and that fact matters. It's not a
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rhetorical fact, it's not a rhetorical flourish. It is a fact,
and in fact, it's the organizing premise of the case.
Now we can and you should be able to have
several thoughts in your mind at the same time. Yes,
I understand that he was a tyrant, he was a dictator,
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and he claimed to be the president of Venezuela, and
clearly arresting him is going to have political and international implications.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But there's no doubt that if you were to arrest
the head of the Sainteloa cartel, it would have political
ramifications in Mexico. It might not, well maybe it would,
you know, quite frankly, if it would, I wouldn't be
I wouldn't be opposed to that. If if the arrest
of the Sina Looa cartel leader resulted in the demise
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of the Mexican government and put in a or create
enough chaos that there was a friendlier Mexican government elected
in Mexico, and I'd be all for that, because I'm
for the for the incarceration, the arrest, the incarceration, the trial,
and I'd like to see the death penalty imposed. But
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I you know, that's just wishful thinking. But if they
get since supermacs. Then Colorado would have something at least
good that we could say, hey, we're good for something,
and we got super Max down here, and we've got
all these narco terrafts being held down in in Florence.
That would be a good thing, right. It's better than
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all the other crap going on in Colorado right now.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So let's cool.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
All the way back to March of twenty twenty, federal
prosecutors in the Southern District of New York unsealed the
charges against Maduro for narco terrorism, cocaine trafficking, weapons offenses,
and conspiracy to import massive quantities of drugs. The indictment
alleged that he was the head of the Cartel Dele Solis.
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That is, this is a fact that is a transnational
criminal organization that is embedded within Venezuela security services and
their political institutions. Now, these charges are not just you know,
paper tigers. They carry life sentences. In fact, he very
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well could end up on some military compound somewhere, maybe
send him up to Girl Dad in Alaska and they
can jail him up there somewhere, But more than likely
he might end up in supermacs. There was a a
I forget it was it fifty million? Biden had twenty
five million. I thought we had upped it. So there
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was somewhere between a twenty five and a fifty million
dollar reward for information leading to his arrest. From that
moment forward, from the indictment from the Biden administration offering
a reward to the Trump administration upping the reward, Maduro
was not being treated by the United States as a
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protected sovereign. That's an important distinction to understand. He was
not a protected sovereign.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I forget. For example, I got a.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Text message over the weekend from a listener from somewhere
out in the hinterlands. They said, well, what would you
think that if some foreign country decided to fly in
the in the dead of night and arrest Donald Trump
and haul him off to their country for trial. And
I pointed out that your prem is faulty because here
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you have an indicted individual that is not duly elected.
You cannot challenge that Trump was duly elected Number one.
Number two. They couldn't pull that off because you have well,
you get the Pentagon right there. You have not all always,
but there is a how can I say this without
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violating any sort of secrecy agreement.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
There are.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
There are certainly protective devices, anti aircraft, all sorts of
security measures on the sixteen acres that comprise the White
House compound. So if some foreign country, and I think
I use France as an example, but that France is
the wrong example. Let's use Yemen, or let's use the Iranians,
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the Uranians, because they hate us right now and they
want to assassinate They want to assassinate Bush forty three.
They want to assassinate Well, Cheney's dead now they can't
assassinate him. Well, they might still try if they clearly
what to assassinate Trump. So let's see the Iranians decide
to fly over well nor Rad, somebody South, Tom North, Tom,
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Somebody's going to intercept those flights. They're never going to
make it to the White House. They probably wouldn't make
it onto US airspace. So that would be the first
thing that would happen. The second thing would happen if
they did, somebody's gonna shot him down. Military aircraft are
going to shoot them down. If they did make it
into the White House, that would be a kidnapping, and
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that would cause us to do what I mean, think
of it seriously, What would happen if if somebody, if
the Iranians made it all the way into into the
Oval office or the residents, and they captured Trump, put
a hood over him and hauled him out, put him
on a chopper, got him somewhere where they had a plane,
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and flew him out of the country. What do you
think you would do? We would bomb the fisis out
of the Iranians. It would start a war. So the
premise of that text was incorrect, because what's happened since.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
We capture Maduro.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Nothing, which is a whole another subject we're going to
get to, because I think there are a whole lot
of things that are going to happen, some things that
do need to happen, and some things that are just
naturally going to occur because we've created somewhat of a
power vacuum. I know, the vice presidents now assumed the
presidency in Venezuela, but she's a communist. She is the
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head of the she's the facto head of the security services.
She's the one that disappears people in Venezuela. So this
action was legal, and I want to explain why it
was legal Following the fraudulent elections in twenty eighteen, Venezuela
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National Assembly declared the presidency vacant and they recognize Wuanguado
as the interim president under their constitution. More than fifty
other countries did the same thing. So we then the
United States formally withdrew recognition from Maduro's.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Regime and we put the label of illegitimate on it.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That matters because heads of state immunity is not some
you know, ephemeral, metaphysical kind of idea. It is a
legal consequence of recognition. States decide, and by states, I
mean governments, countries decide who they treat as governments. And
when that recognition is withdrawn, any immunity that that person
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has completed dissolves with it. And that's not controversial. That's
something that courts have long held that immunity flows from
recognition decisions made by the political branches. And we recognize
political decision made by political branches in other countries too.
So when the executive branch says an individual is not
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a recognized head of state, then the courts defer to
that decision because they did a political decision that is
not a legal decision. It's also a matter of separation
of powers. So as early as twenty twenty, American prosecutors
had described Maduro as the de facto ruler who had
usurped power corrupted all the state institutions in order to
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facilitate international drug trafficking, and that is exactly how the
indictment frames his status. Now, extra territorial jurisdiction in drug
cases is very well established.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
What do I mean by.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Extra territorial jurisdiction? If I'm a known drug dealer and
I'm dealing infentel like Maduro or coke, and I run
off to and let's use France. Now I run off
to hide somewhere in Perrie. You think I'm not subject
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to the long arm of the law from the United States.
You don't think that they can't arrest me. Now in France,
it would be particularly easy because we probably have an
extradition treaty with France, So in cooperation with French authorities
or on their own, the FBI could.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Track me down in Paris and arrest me hold me
there now.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
The French government may say fine, taking we don't care,
or the French government say, wait a minute, go through
our extradition process.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
The point being courts and this.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Extra territorial jurisdiction and drug cases is a well established
tenet of American jurisprudence. And when foreign conduct is intended
to produce criminal effects inside this country, our jurisdiction of
patches to the individual engaged in those activities. You don't
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have to declare war. All these stupid democrats out there claiming, oh,
you should have declared war, you should have come to us.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
In fact, well, we'll get to I don't whether get
to it today or not. But I think the War
Powers Act is not as a whole, but part of
it I think is unconstitutional. But we also have president.
We got some really good president here, Manuel nor Jega.
Does that ring a bell? Let's talk about Manuel, old,
(30:35):
pimple faced Manuel nor Jega.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Next, Michael, I'm glad that you were able to get away,
and I hope at the time with your therapist was helpful.
But you need to seriously reconsider leaving gubernation untended for
such an extended period of time. Some of these people
don't do well unsupervised. It's pandelarium, Okay, I'm glad you
and dead Beard are back, and I hope you have
(30:57):
a happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
How dead Beard? Yeah like that dead Beard sure got
the dead braid. Dead Beard's all just kind of dead
back there anyway.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And my father, Franklin gray Beard looks exactly like Jerry Garcia,
serious guy. Oh yeah, I'll sure he's got the kind
of fuller beard that's kind of puffed out, straight gray
and gray hair. And he's got the big sung the
big glasses as well. Maybe it is very well could
be he sorry tangent, but he's got a T shirt
whenever it goes on vacation that says, and you thought
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I was dead. It's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I bet there's a lot of double tings.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, especially when he goes to Vegas. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
there's a lot of people Jerry No.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, you know Elvis is still alive of course. Yeah. Yeah.
And Paul McCartney's dead.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
So back in nineteen eighty eight, Manuil pimple fized nor Yeah,
it gets indicted by a US grand jury on drug
traffic and rocketeering charges. At the time, he was the
de facto ruler of Panama. And he also although I
don't really think Madua's done this, yet Noyega claimed sovereign immunity,
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but like Maduro, he dismissed the charges as just being
a political act.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And also, like Maduro, nor.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Diega nullified elections in Panama and intrenched himself as the leader,
as the so called president through force. So when American
forces entered Panama in December of nineteen eighty nine, the
objective was not regime change, although over time that is
(32:41):
exactly what happened. The objective was to arrest nor Diega,
protect US nationals that were working in particularly in Panama City,
and to restore Panama's legitimate government.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So he was captured, I.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Don't think ironically on January three, nineteen ninety. January three,
the same date that Madureau was captured, and he was
flown to Florida to stand trial, and all in Noriego's
lawyers they, you know, they raised all the same arguments
the Democrats are raising right now. They claim the invasion
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was illegal, They claimed that Noriego was immune, they claimed
it it's captured, you know, shocked the conscience of a
country that is based.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
On the rule of law.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
And the federal courts said, nope, none of that applies.
The judge actually held that Noriega had no head of
state immunity because this country had never recognized him as
Panama's lawful leader. That's that recognition doctrine that I'm talking about.
So the court refused to adjudicate the legality of the
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military operation. They treated it as a political question. And
the court held that even a forcible apprehension is aren't
most apprehendial? Think about this. I mentioned this Saturday. The
court held that even though the apprehension of Noriego was forcible,
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that doesn't bar prosecution unless there had unless there was
torture or some sort of extreme abuse involved, and that
might been a violation of his rights. Wait a minute,
forcible apprehension. Every Friday at eleven am, we do something
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called taxpayer relief shots. How many of those involved cops
trying to forcibly apprehend somebody. I'd say about half of them.
The other half are homeowners or business owners or private
end of you know, civilians so to speak. They're trying
to protect their lives or their or their own property
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forcible apprehensions. And the court said, Nope, doesn't apply here.
So Norjega gets convicted, He gets imprisoned, and not one
single appellate court reversed the outcome, and more importantly, the
United Nations, the International Court or Criminal Justice. None of
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these international tribunals, not a single one of them invalidated
what we did with Nordega back in nineteen eighty eight
and nineteen eighty nine. So the Maduro operation is virtually
I can't think of really much difference parallel to what
we did with Maduro. Just like Noriego, Maduro's regime have
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been delegitimate, delegitimized internationally, and like Noriega, he was accused
of turning a state into a narcotic up and like Noriega,
he was arrested pursuing to a criminal indictment. There are
no treaties involved, there's no international law involved. And then
think about what didn't happen, And this is I think
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the next one hundred hours, the next one hundred days,
as I mentioned on Saturday, will be the most important.
We didn't anex venezuela. Now I don't know whether it's
AI or it's fake, or it's real, but I saw
on X this morning that Jijing Ping has said, oh,
you think that you're going to take over the refineries
(36:25):
you're going to take over, you know, Venezuela. We've been
We loaned all of this money to Venezuela to build
all of this infrastructure, which when you look around at
Caracus or any of the other places, it's like, hm, hm,
you kind of got ripped off because I don't see
anything new in Venezuela. So if Jiging Ping thinks that
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somehow he's going to sue, he's going to descend ten
thousand lawyers to somehow overturn what we did, We'll just
ignore it.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And what are they going to do?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Are they Are they going to invade Venezuela? No, I
don't think so. It proves maybe you should have done
a credit report, maybe before you loaned them all that money.
Maybe you should have checked out Maduro or Venezuela's credit
score before you loaned them all the money.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
So what happens next, well that's to be seen.
Michael, especially during the holidays.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's it's kind of disconcerting, you know, to tune in
to the podcast and I hear you. But at the
same time, it's it's really cool that I get to
hear some new voices after If it wasn't for the
holidays and Jesse Kelly taking off, I never would have
got to hear you, and and I think of you
(00:22):
as part of my family.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I can start the new year out in the first
program of the new year with a hearty thank you
for that very nice talkback.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Do you know what airy code that was from?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Do not? Okay?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
But instead I would be my typical jerk self.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You were just waiting for the other shoe to drop,
weren't you.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
No, If I'm a member of the family, where's my gift?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Here's how the two of us are different. To me,
the formerly fat ass five three and fifty plus pound guy,
You're thinking where's my gifts? And I'm thinking, where's my
Christmas dinner invite?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Okay, yeah, well I take that too.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Although not knowing, but he might be the crazy uncle.
He might be the crazy one, so you don't really
want to go over there for dinner. You just want
them to like send you a really nice gift. Yeah,
sure that will work, you know, which would probably end
up being what a gift card to Sears Sears roebucking company.
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I'm trying to think of anything I could that doesn't
exist anymore. I don't think there are any Seers.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Maybe some outlets and like the back end of a
strip mall that you really don't want to go to.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, we do have some news today,
and I'll.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I'm surprised you were able to fit through the door
with your ego.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Well, between that and then the email I just received
from our head muckety muck that is actually you know
what this comes from, mister Chris Berry. Mister Chris Berry
happens to be the he's the head of twenty four
(02:12):
to seven News and he is like the senior VP here.
I'm gonna get his title wrong, so you'll probably be
now he's gonna be pissed.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Off about that signature line in the email.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Oh yes here executive vice president News talking sports. So
he's over all of that, like he's over Jojo, you
know and everybody else. Michael, I had a chance.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
This literally just.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Came in like eight fifty nine. I had a chance
to listen to the Weekend and was very pleased with
how you were able to develop the Venezuela story just
hours after it broke. It seems like we've got a
lot of news stories on the weekend, and you do
a terrific job of giving it to your listeners in
real time.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Well done, Chris. Wow Wow, wow, wow wow.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I have to say that truly, that to me is
coming from who it comes from. And I've known Christopher.
I don't know, I'm in my what nineteenth year here
or something. I've known chrispher ten years or something, but
I've never had that. It's always been hey can you
It's always been a request, can you go do this?
Can you go do that? Can you go do this?
It's been always been that sort of stuff. It's never
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been a hey, wow, that was really good stuff. And
we have some other breaking news today which even makes
my head even bigger. How many AM stations do we
have in this in this building?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Three AM stations?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
We got Freedom over here ninety three seven, seven sixty AM.
We've got our old stomping ground six thirty k out
six thirty AM. And of course we got the blowtworts
here eight fifty AM ninety four to one FM news Radio.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
KOA right, correct, Yeah, guess who.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Is now back on the old station and now is
the only person in the entire building on all three
A M stations. We need to get like a bulldozer
here to make this door double.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Wide, the jaws of life just right, Yeah, to.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Get back to get my big exploding ego in through
the door. Uh, you want to tell them what we're doing.
I guess we're not doing it.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
We were told I'm doing it, but yeah, yeah, uh huh,
I'm doing more work to make sure that this happens.
But but you, I'm.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Sure that there will be you know, do compensation for
the extra work that you're doing, just as I've been assured.
Checked the mailbox, nothing there yet about you know, do
compensation for you know, using my voice everywhere? What time
is it two to four am? I to be calling it?
(04:52):
Actually we should say what are they? You and I
have no say in this book. I guess we had
a little bit to say. It was kind of like, hey,
here's what we're doing. Are you okay with this?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I like you.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That's kind of a passive aggressive way of saying, hey,
here's what we're doing. We don't really care what you
think we're doing it anyway, but we thought we'd just
give you an opportunity to if you object, you know
you can object. Now why I don't know why we
would have objected. There's no reason to object.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Of course. You wouldn't, you know, object to any of
this because you're not doing anything extra to work on this. Me,
on the other hand, I got a couple of buttons
I need to push.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
So from two to four on six thirty k h
w W k h o w h. It's called situates.
Michael Brown.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
What reloaded? Michael Brown reloads?
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Oh, Michael Brown situates Michael Brown reloaded correct from two
to four on six thirty K.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
You haven't even heard the opener yet. You you want
me to play that here for me?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I haven't heard it at all, haven't you? Again?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
This is this situation we load it with Michael Brown
reloading top moments from today's situation.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Now I'm nine to noon on K away.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Oh, there you go. Let's they just you know it,
put some time into that.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
They actually between Tepper and AJ and the voiceover guy,
the vo guy, they actually did a fairly decent job.
Should we give them a golf clap?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Anything happened while we were gone, not a thing.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I didn't pay attention to this single bit of news
at all.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
I didn't for the first few days, and then I
just I couldn't resist, And of course then I had
to come back and I and I'm so glad I
did the Saturday program. One because Chris Barry heard it,
but two because it was It allowed me to I'm
not gonna let that one go. It allowed me to
ease back into things. Of course, I eased back into
it by spending.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
The entire three hours.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Dissecting everything you could possibly want to know about what
was going on in Venezuela.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Oh real quick, let's get to the text line three
three one zero three from Gouber number seventy five forty
four of Mike. Isn't this how cancer sells take over
an organism? Yes, yes, I am the cancer of iHeart.
I'm metasticizing. I'm metastasizing every.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Oh you know I haven't done that yet, but that
you remind me, I've not yet opened the text line
for today, so I've got to go do that.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Three three one zero three text Mike or Michael, wait
for the verification code. That's still annoying, and that's still
going on.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
That's still going on, and I'm still trying to get
the eliminating the keyword Mike or Michael, but we have
not yet accomplished that. So let me put in the
verification code and get to log in and yes, oh
here's a nice one. Let's see, good morning, and welcome
back to you, mister redbeer. This is Goober number six
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zero eight five, six zero eight five, stupid question of
the day. The Duro was air quotes here, collected in
the middle of the night, and arrived in New York
on Saturday morning. By Saturday morning, there were already protesters
with matching signs marching.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
In the streets.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
How do they have time to get any signs, much
less matching signs?
Speaker 1 (08:20):
What am I missing? Well, Goober's six zero eight five.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
If you stay tuned, you might learn what the term
AstroTurf means and exactly what was going on in New York.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
The city so nice they named it twice. So let's
get rolling.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
But we're not going to do Venezuela just yet, because
there is I'm always fascinating. Having been privileged in my
lifetime to have been inside the bubble with potus on
you know, dozens and dozens and dozens of occasions. I
know what it's like when the president is driving along
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in the motor kid and says to the driver or
to the head of his security detail, Hey, I want
to stop and get a diet coke, or let's stop
at the donut shop, or let's you know, go through
in and out or whatever it might be, all of
which I have seen happen.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
So we're getting ready to execute a precision, highly.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Coordinated military slash criminal activity inside a Did you knowl
at Maduro lived on a military base. He didn't live
like in some presidential palace. He lived on a military base.
And in that base or on that base or whatever,
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you know, baracks that he was living in, there was
a safe house.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And so the military, you.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Know, the CIA, the military, the DEA, everybody had everything
co ordinated and they grabbed him just as he was
getting into the safe house. That's amazing. But what all
went on before that? And you think I want to
talk about all the logistics. You think I want to
talk about all of the the effort and the planning
(10:16):
the op sect. It's amazing. I think if anything, Secretary
of War, Secretary of Defense, whatever we're supposed to call him,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't care. Pete Heggs, I think learned.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
Was it?
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We chat?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
What's happened? What telegraph? What were they texting on when
we were going to bomb him? And and he texted
his wife and somebody else about, oh the universe launch
the bombs in a couple of hours, and it almost
I think it almost cost him his job this time.
Nothing absolutely nothing in terms of leaks about this about
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to take place. But I just find this fascinating because
I've seen it happen before, but nobody reports it that.
I don't think the press pool, the White House presspool
that was down in mar Lagu reported on this. Trump
had the motorcade pulled into a Florida strip mall Friday morning.
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I don't know where they're going from the airport to
mar Alogo. I thought, I don't know what they he arrived,
but think about this, he knows it in the back
of his head or maybe in the in the frontal forte.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I don't the frontal lobe.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I don't I don't know where it was, but somewhere
in his head he knew that I'm going to pull
the plug on this operation at some point, and that's
got to be you know, you hope it. You hope
it doesn't turn into a Jimmy Carter fiasco, you know
in Caracas. You hope it turns into a you know,
a successful operation. But on the way you decide, hey, guys,
(11:51):
pull over here. According to White House pool reports, the
motorcade arrived at a shopping center in lakewook Worth, Florida,
at nine six in the morning on Friday, and Trump
went him to arc Stone and Tile. If you look
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up arc Stone and Tile, this is great. This is
great advertising for them, isn't it. They're an importer of
Italian marble, marble, Italian marble. A White House official says
that the President was buying Lake and Onyx marble at
his own expense for that ballroom that is going to
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be built on the east end of the White House complex. Now,
of course, their critics have to chime in, and we're
gonna I find it funny because there's a parallel to
the criticism here about Venezuela, who originally put now Trump
(12:54):
indicted Maduro. Biden put up a reward. I think I
started out at twenty five million dollars. Fifteen US senators
signed a letter to Trump asking why have it you
got Maduro?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now, they never wrote Trump Biden, they never asked Biden that.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
But Democrat senators were really upset in Trump one point, oh,
that he didn't go after Maduro. Those very same senators
now that he's captured, absconded, whatever word you want to
use Maduro, now they're all pitching and moaning about it.
This is American politics in twenty twenty six. Just take
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every single thing you believe or hear, and just take
it with a grain of salt and just you know,
it's either AI or it's just total utter bulltrap.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's amazing to me. But back to the back to
the ballroom.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
So the president was apparently going to buy some Onyx
marble at his own expense for this ballroom. But of
course the critics have to get upset about it. The
New Republic claims that Trump was shopping for his construction
project on the taxpayer's die. Now technically he was, but
is that a criticism because if the president, if the
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president finishes his day and he he goes to the
East Wing, goes up to the residents, it has dinner.
He's having dinner on the taxpayers dime. Yes, because he's
getting paid his salary. Yes, And he's living in public housing.
The utilities are paid for by the taxpayers.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Isn't he still done? I'm not a humber sent sort
I have looked at I haven't looked this up yet,
But isn't he still donating his presidential salary?
Speaker 6 (14:42):
Well?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I haven't gotten to that yet. He's donating his salary,
and he's paying for the marble that he bought.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
And I arguement like you were saying that, Yeah, that
the everybody around him and fueling the Beast and the
Secret Service and all that kind of stuff. That's that
is the tax all the embedded costs.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Right, That's what happens when you're president.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Right. So if you, for example, if if Bush and
I are driving along somewhere in southern California and during
the wildfires in two thousand and three, and Bush decides
he wants in and out burger, and we stopped it
at the in and out to get a burger, that's
on taxpayer's dying even if we paid for it ourselves.
But that's the new Republic for you. That's the state
of politics today. Now it's interesting, interesting to me because
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this is somebody that doesn't get reported widely. But apparently
Trump has a history of incorporating marble into his projects.
He remodeled the bathroom. I didn't know this in the
Lincoln bedroom. The Lincoln bedrooms sweet because it's not really
just a bedroom, it's a sweet entirely in marble. He
is an apparently you can find those photos on Truth
(15:45):
Social Truth Social. I did it in black and white
poly statuary marble. And he says that the design he
chose was appropriate for the Lincoln era. Now, the ballroom construction,
of course, as Dragon points out, is facing scrutiny since
it began with the demolition of the And I want
to point out here when I say the east wing,
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I'm talking about what you see like if you were
to walk on Loafayette Park just north of the White House,
you'll see that those big columns that's the east wing,
and upstairs is the residence. The west wing is actually
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a little difficult to see from Lafayette Park because it's
lower at a lower elevation, and it kind of sits
lower that's the west wing. So when people talk about
him demolishing the east wing, that is technically incorrect. What
he demolished was it would be almost In fact, it
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was about the same size as a double White and
it kind of looked like a double White on the
inside too. It was a structure. I don't know what
the dimensions of it were because it's now been demolished,
but it was just added on to the East wing.
It was an East Wing annex, and it was just
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a bunch of dusty, dirty old offices that sometimes were
used by the First Lady's office or if there were
some like a commission like there there was this FEMA
I don't know whether they used it or not, but
this commission that was gathered from around the country to
look at what to do with FEMA. Well they may
have met in that area. They may have Mountain Roosevelt
(17:33):
Room too. But my point is this was just a
small annex about the size of a double wide, attached
to the East wing. But everybody wants to make you
think that they've torn down the East wing nose, that
would mean that would mean tearing down the White House.
As most people picture it when I when I say
the White House, that picture you have in your mind,
that's actually the East Wing. And then later on Friday
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and into Saturday morning, that's when Trump over all the
operation to capture the president of the illegitimate President of Venezuela,
Nicholas Maduro. So I just thought that was kind of
an interesting little tidbit about, you know, get a lot
of things on your mind. I gotta buy some marble,
and I gotta capture a president and then have dinner,
(18:20):
you know what. That's all I gotta do. So hang tight,
We'll be right.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Back, Ronnie.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I can't believe you took two weeks off.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I had to listen to holiday programming in this rig
or should we call it holiday reprogramming?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Hell, I almost turned democrat.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I'll be honest with us. Did you think about him
during the Christmas break?
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Honestly I did one time because we were I can
tell you exmightly where it was too. We were going
on the one oh one down to Skyarboro Airport and traffic,
it's just it was just bizarre. And there was a truck.
You know, how we here, we can't We've enter out
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of the the HLV lanes. Yeah, well in Arizona you can't.
And they're very good at it too. By the way,
my daughter is excellent at it. I know it drove
Tammer crazy because she's excellent getting in and out of
the h O V LANX. But there was a semi
doing it, and I just for that brief moment, thought.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah, that's him. It's exactly something he would do, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
What he would do.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
So I spent considerable time on Saturday talking about why
the arrest of Maduro was legal. It was lawful, and
obviously it was long overdue. So I don't want to
go through in detail, but I want to spend at
least some time giving you a baseline to explain why
I think it's legal. He was not seized as the
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president of Venezuela. In fact, I don't consider him to
be the president of Venezuela. He was a dictator that
had just usurped power on his own and was sitting
on the presidential throne. He was seized captured as an
indicted narcotics trafficker, and that fact matters. It's not a
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rhetorical fact, it's not a rhetorical flourish. It is a fact,
and in fact, it's the organizing premise of the case.
Now we can and you should be able to have
several thoughts in your mind at the same time. Yes,
I understand that he was a tyrant, he was a dictator,
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and he claimed to be the president of Venezuela, and
clearly arresting him is going to have political and international implications.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
But there's no doubt that if you were to arrest
the head of the Sainteloa cartel, it would have political
ramifications in Mexico. It might not, well maybe it would,
you know, quite frankly, if it would, I wouldn't be
I wouldn't be opposed to that. If if the arrest
of the Sina Looa cartel leader resulted in the demise
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of the Mexican government and put in a or create
enough chaos that there was a friendlier Mexican government elected
in Mexico, and I'd be all for that, because I'm
for the for the incarceration, the arrest, the incarceration, the trial,
and I'd like to see the death penalty imposed. But
(21:40):
I you know, that's just wishful thinking. But if they
get since supermacs. Then Colorado would have something at least
good that we could say, hey, we're good for something,
and we got super Max down here, and we've got
all these narco terrafts being held down in in Florence.
That would be a good thing, right. It's better than
(22:01):
all the other crap going on in Colorado right now.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So let's cool.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
All the way back to March of twenty twenty, federal
prosecutors in the Southern District of New York unsealed the
charges against Maduro for narco terrorism, cocaine trafficking, weapons offenses,
and conspiracy to import massive quantities of drugs. The indictment
alleged that he was the head of the Cartel Dele Solis.
(22:26):
That is, this is a fact that is a transnational
criminal organization that is embedded within Venezuela security services and
their political institutions. Now, these charges are not just you know,
paper tigers. They carry life sentences. In fact, he very
(22:46):
well could end up on some military compound somewhere, maybe
send him up to Girl Dad in Alaska and they
can jail him up there somewhere, But more than likely
he might end up in supermacs. There was a a
I forget it was it fifty million? Biden had twenty
five million. I thought we had upped it. So there
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was somewhere between a twenty five and a fifty million
dollar reward for information leading to his arrest. From that
moment forward, from the indictment from the Biden administration offering
a reward to the Trump administration upping the reward, Maduro
was not being treated by the United States as a
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protected sovereign. That's an important distinction to understand. He was
not a protected sovereign.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I forget. For example, I got a.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Text message over the weekend from a listener from somewhere
out in the hinterlands. They said, well, what would you
think that if some foreign country decided to fly in
the in the dead of night and arrest Donald Trump
and haul him off to their country for trial. And
I pointed out that your prem is faulty because here
(24:03):
you have an indicted individual that is not duly elected.
You cannot challenge that Trump was duly elected Number one.
Number two. They couldn't pull that off because you have well,
you get the Pentagon right there. You have not all always,
but there is a how can I say this without
(24:25):
violating any sort of secrecy agreement.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
There are.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
There are certainly protective devices, anti aircraft, all sorts of
security measures on the sixteen acres that comprise the White
House compound. So if some foreign country, and I think
I use France as an example, but that France is
the wrong example. Let's use Yemen, or let's use the Iranians,
(24:53):
the Uranians, because they hate us right now and they
want to assassinate They want to assassinate Bush forty three.
They want to assassinate Well, Cheney's dead now they can't
assassinate him. Well, they might still try if they clearly
what to assassinate Trump. So let's see the Iranians decide
to fly over well nor Rad, somebody South, Tom North, Tom,
(25:15):
Somebody's going to intercept those flights. They're never going to
make it to the White House. They probably wouldn't make
it onto US airspace. So that would be the first
thing that would happen. The second thing would happen if
they did, somebody's gonna shot him down. Military aircraft are
going to shoot them down. If they did make it
into the White House, that would be a kidnapping, and
(25:38):
that would cause us to do what I mean, think
of it seriously, What would happen if if somebody, if
the Iranians made it all the way into into the
Oval office or the residents, and they captured Trump, put
a hood over him and hauled him out, put him
on a chopper, got him somewhere where they had a plane,
(25:58):
and flew him out of the country. What do you
think you would do? We would bomb the fisis out
of the Iranians. It would start a war. So the
premise of that text was incorrect, because what's happened since.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
We capture Maduro.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Nothing, which is a whole another subject we're going to
get to, because I think there are a whole lot
of things that are going to happen, some things that
do need to happen, and some things that are just
naturally going to occur because we've created somewhat of a
power vacuum. I know, the vice presidents now assumed the
presidency in Venezuela, but she's a communist. She is the
(26:37):
head of the she's the facto head of the security services.
She's the one that disappears people in Venezuela. So this
action was legal, and I want to explain why it
was legal Following the fraudulent elections in twenty eighteen, Venezuela
(26:58):
National Assembly declared the presidency vacant and they recognize Wuanguado
as the interim president under their constitution. More than fifty
other countries did the same thing. So we then the
United States formally withdrew recognition from Maduro's.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Regime and we put the label of illegitimate on it.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
That matters because heads of state immunity is not some
you know, ephemeral, metaphysical kind of idea. It is a
legal consequence of recognition. States decide, and by states, I
mean governments, countries decide who they treat as governments. And
when that recognition is withdrawn, any immunity that that person
(27:45):
has completed dissolves with it. And that's not controversial. That's
something that courts have long held that immunity flows from
recognition decisions made by the political branches. And we recognize
political decision made by political branches in other countries too.
So when the executive branch says an individual is not
(28:06):
a recognized head of state, then the courts defer to
that decision because they did a political decision that is
not a legal decision. It's also a matter of separation
of powers. So as early as twenty twenty, American prosecutors
had described Maduro as the de facto ruler who had
usurped power corrupted all the state institutions in order to
(28:30):
facilitate international drug trafficking, and that is exactly how the
indictment frames his status. Now, extra territorial jurisdiction in drug
cases is very well established.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
What do I mean by.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Extra territorial jurisdiction? If I'm a known drug dealer and
I'm dealing infentel like Maduro or coke, and I run
off to and let's use France. Now I run off
to hide somewhere in Perrie. You think I'm not subject
(29:11):
to the long arm of the law from the United States.
You don't think that they can't arrest me. Now in France,
it would be particularly easy because we probably have an
extradition treaty with France, So in cooperation with French authorities
or on their own, the FBI could.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Track me down in Paris and arrest me hold me
there now.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
The French government may say fine, taking we don't care,
or the French government say, wait a minute, go through
our extradition process.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
The point being courts and this.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Extra territorial jurisdiction and drug cases is a well established
tenet of American jurisprudence. And when foreign conduct is intended
to produce criminal effects inside this country, our jurisdiction of
patches to the individual engaged in those activities. You don't
(30:05):
have to declare war. All these stupid democrats out there claiming, oh,
you should have declared war, you should have come to us.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
No, not at all.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
In fact, well, we'll get to I don't whether get
to it today or not. But I think the War
Powers Act is not as a whole, but part of
it I think is unconstitutional. But we also have president.
We got some really good president here, Manuel nor Jega.
Does that ring a bell? Let's talk about Manuel, old,
(30:35):
pimple faced Manuel nor Jega.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Next, Michael, I'm glad that you were able to get away,
and I hope at the time with your therapist was helpful.
But you need to seriously reconsider leaving gubernation untended for
such an extended period of time. Some of these people
don't do well unsupervised. It's pandelarium, Okay, I'm glad you
and dead Beard are back, and I hope you have
(30:57):
a happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
How dead Beard? Yeah like that dead Beard sure got
the dead braid. Dead Beard's all just kind of dead
back there anyway.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And my father, Franklin gray Beard looks exactly like Jerry Garcia,
serious guy. Oh yeah, I'll sure he's got the kind
of fuller beard that's kind of puffed out, straight gray
and gray hair. And he's got the big sung the
big glasses as well. Maybe it is very well could
be he sorry tangent, but he's got a T shirt
whenever it goes on vacation that says, and you thought
(31:29):
I was dead. It's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I bet there's a lot of double tings.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, especially when he goes to Vegas. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
there's a lot of people Jerry No.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Well, you know Elvis is still alive of course. Yeah. Yeah.
And Paul McCartney's dead.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
So back in nineteen eighty eight, Manuil pimple fized nor Yeah,
it gets indicted by a US grand jury on drug
traffic and rocketeering charges. At the time, he was the
de facto ruler of Panama. And he also although I
don't really think Madua's done this, yet Noyega claimed sovereign immunity,
(32:12):
but like Maduro, he dismissed the charges as just being
a political act.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And also, like Maduro, nor.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Diega nullified elections in Panama and intrenched himself as the leader,
as the so called president through force. So when American
forces entered Panama in December of nineteen eighty nine, the
objective was not regime change, although over time that is
(32:41):
exactly what happened. The objective was to arrest nor Diega,
protect US nationals that were working in particularly in Panama City,
and to restore Panama's legitimate government.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
So he was captured, I.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Don't think ironically on January three, nineteen ninety. January three,
the same date that Madureau was captured, and he was
flown to Florida to stand trial, and all in Noriego's
lawyers they, you know, they raised all the same arguments
the Democrats are raising right now. They claim the invasion
(33:17):
was illegal, They claimed that Noriego was immune, they claimed
it it's captured, you know, shocked the conscience of a
country that is based.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
On the rule of law.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
And the federal courts said, nope, none of that applies.
The judge actually held that Noriega had no head of
state immunity because this country had never recognized him as
Panama's lawful leader. That's that recognition doctrine that I'm talking about.
So the court refused to adjudicate the legality of the
(33:48):
military operation. They treated it as a political question. And
the court held that even a forcible apprehension is aren't
most apprehendial? Think about this. I mentioned this Saturday. The
court held that even though the apprehension of Noriego was forcible,
(34:10):
that doesn't bar prosecution unless there had unless there was
torture or some sort of extreme abuse involved, and that
might been a violation of his rights. Wait a minute,
forcible apprehension. Every Friday at eleven am, we do something
(34:31):
called taxpayer relief shots. How many of those involved cops
trying to forcibly apprehend somebody. I'd say about half of them.
The other half are homeowners or business owners or private
end of you know, civilians so to speak. They're trying
to protect their lives or their or their own property
(34:53):
forcible apprehensions. And the court said, Nope, doesn't apply here.
So Norjega gets convicted, He gets imprisoned, and not one
single appellate court reversed the outcome, and more importantly, the
United Nations, the International Court or Criminal Justice. None of
(35:14):
these international tribunals, not a single one of them invalidated
what we did with Nordega back in nineteen eighty eight
and nineteen eighty nine. So the Maduro operation is virtually
I can't think of really much difference parallel to what
we did with Maduro. Just like Noriego, Maduro's regime have
(35:38):
been delegitimate, delegitimized internationally, and like Noriega, he was accused
of turning a state into a narcotic up and like Noriega,
he was arrested pursuing to a criminal indictment. There are
no treaties involved, there's no international law involved. And then
think about what didn't happen, And this is I think
(36:02):
the next one hundred hours, the next one hundred days,
as I mentioned on Saturday, will be the most important.
We didn't anex venezuela. Now I don't know whether it's
AI or it's fake, or it's real, but I saw
on X this morning that Jijing Ping has said, oh,
you think that you're going to take over the refineries
(36:25):
you're going to take over, you know, Venezuela. We've been
We loaned all of this money to Venezuela to build
all of this infrastructure, which when you look around at
Caracus or any of the other places, it's like, hm, hm,
you kind of got ripped off because I don't see
anything new in Venezuela. So if Jiging Ping thinks that
(36:46):
somehow he's going to sue, he's going to descend ten
thousand lawyers to somehow overturn what we did, We'll just
ignore it.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
And what are they going to do?
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Are they Are they going to invade Venezuela? No, I
don't think so. It proves maybe you should have done
a credit report, maybe before you loaned them all that money.
Maybe you should have checked out Maduro or Venezuela's credit
score before you loaned them all the money.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
So what happens next, well that's to be seen.
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