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listen on to your computer, but you can also download
the podcast and listen on the podcast too. Let's talk
about New Orleans for a moment. There is I think
one of the reasons that Trump won is that there
is a general feeling in the country that people are
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not held accountable. That you know, criminals that commit heinous crimes.
You know, at least the dirt bag from Guatemala or
wherever he was from that burned the woman to death,
the homeless woman to death on the New York City subway,
at least he was arrested, and in so far as
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I know, at this very moment on Saturday morning, he
is still in jail. How long you obeli in jail,
I don't know what. If he's gets due process and
if he is convicted of murder, surely he will get
a life sentence. I mean, it was a horrendous murder.
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But then we see people that you know, it's a
revolving door, and we just feel like people that do
bad things or do things that cause other people harm
are never held accountable or when people just look. I'm
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sure that you know. People sometimes say to me, oh, gosh,
we wish you'd run for governor of Colorado. Well, it'd
be over my wife's I'd be over my dead buddy,
not my wife's dead body, because she would kill me.
But have you ever thought about of eighteen twenty years
on radio and how many stupid things I've said. But
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sometimes people say stupid things that are really harmful, that
really reveal just how out of touch they are. And
I think we saw that in New Orleans. So what happened, Well,
surely by now you know what happened. So you have
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at the intersection of Canal and Bourbon Street, you have
an ICE's sympathizer, a member of the United States military
that gets radicalized and takes a truck that. Now I'm
not certain of these facts. In fact, I don't want
to call them facts, but I'm not certain of all
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the chronology of events. But the pickup truck that he
was driving crossed the border in Eagle Pass, Texas. Now,
why that's happened, I don't know. It was he the driver,
not the driver. I'm not even sure we know those
know that yet. But that pickup truck makes its way
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through Orange, Texas and goes on through I don't know
whether it goes up to Baton Rouge than down to
New Orleans, or it just goes along the coast, but
somehow it ends up in New Orleans. It doesn't take
a rocket scientist, it doesn't take anybody with the room
IQ even of room temperature to figure out that. Oh, well,
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we've seen it in this country where people have taken
vehicles and they have plowed into crowds deliberately in an
attempt to kill people. Now, whether that's terrorism or whether
that's a mass criminal act is in some ways immaterial,
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and in many ways it's very material. But let's just
set aside whether it's domestic terrorism or not for a moment.
Let's just take the idea that we have seen in
foreign countries and in this country, we have seen people
take cars or trucks and drive them into crowds on
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purpose in order to kill people. So we know that
that is something that it's not novel. It's not something
that's you know, fictional that we saw in a movie somewhere.
We've seen it on the news. So last week a
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guy takes a pickup truck during all the celebrations going
on for New Year's and you've got the Sugar Bowl
and everything else going on, and New Orleans is also
going to be home to the Super Bowl this year.
So you would think that New Orleans would be a
little attuned to the idea that that we need to
have safety for crowds or going to be spilling into
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the streets on Bourbon Street and throughout the French Quarter
and well, for that matter, not even the French Quarter,
but even Long Canal Street. So you've got all of
these crowds and you know they're going to be there.
It's not like hod Dush Slam people showed up. Wonder
what they're doing. So this guy has the pickup truck,
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and you can watch the video, and he sees an
NPD cop car parked perpendicular to Bourbon Street. Now, who
how want you really think about this? Who in the
chain of command thought that parking a patrol car perpendicular
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to Bourbon Street along Canal was somehow going to protect
all of the people in the French Quarter, all of
the people along Bourbon Street, was going to protect them
from anybody or anything that might be able to get
past a patrol car. Hell's bells. All you have to
do is just watch a few high speed chases, which
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you know is always covered by a helicopter in New York.
If you're in Los Angeles, you're gonna have high speed chases.
It's gonna be covered by Fox News or CNN until
the very end. And of course they crash into cars
and they push them aside, and they just keep on going.
So some idiot in the chain of command thought that
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parking the patrol car perpendicular on Bourbon Street was enough
to protect that crowd, and yet it was not. Despite
all of the evidence, all of the information, all of
the news, all of the coverage of everything that has
gone on like that around the world and in this country.
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I was struck by the lack of a accountability when the
police commissioner, in essence, the chief of police of the
New Orleans Police Department, I forget the woman's name, I
don't even care what her name is. When she was
holding a press conference and she was the press conference
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was almost over, and someone said to her, well, what
about the planning that took place? I'm paraphrasing here, but
what about the planning that took place to protect people
from these known kind of events. And her response initially
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was pretty much a pablem. Well, we took all of
that into consideration and all that was part of our planning,
and of course we didn't expect anything like that. Well,
that's why you do planning. You plan for those things
that you don't think are going to happen. That's why
you do exercises. That's why you do both tabletop and
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field exercises to plan and to think about things that
you don't think are going to happen but could happen,
and then you plan against those. And then an intrepid
reporter said, well, what about barricades? What about ballards? Now,
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a ballard can be any type of round, or it
could be, you know, a fancy shape or whatever, but
it's an essence. I'm not trying to be condescending here.
I'm just make sure everybody understands that a ballard is,
in essence, this metal, solid object that is either secured
firmly to the street or is inlaid into the street
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and can be through hydraulics, be lifted up so that
it blocks the street, so that an armored personnel carrier
couldn't get through it. Do you know they had ballards
in New Orleans? But do you know where they were
hang tied? I'll tell you. Hey, welcome back to the
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or ask me anything. So we're talking about New Orleans,
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and we're talking about this attack that occurred, and I
want you to think for a moment about I mean,
I think we all pretty much know that people have
been driving vehicles into crowds and they've been doing that,
some just for pure domestic criminal purposes and some because
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of terrorism. And we now find out that here in well,
here in New Orleans, it was done because of terrorism.
Where were the ballards? Where was the security devices to
protect people? They were in the French Quarter. Let's go
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to CNN strict.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
A twenty nineteen security report recommended the safety barriers should
be fixed because they.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Quote didn't work.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
They were being replaced at the time of the attack.
The city's police superintendent explained Thursday why those barriers proved ineffective.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
This particular terror rest drove around onto the sidewalk and
got around the hard, hard target where you did have
a car there. We had barriers there, we had officers there,
and they.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Still those are not hard that's those are not hard targets.
A car is not a hard target. A patrol car
it got around.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
San Lee Waldman live on the scene for us this morning. Lee,
can you tell us what you're seeing there this morning? Thanky,
good to be with you this morning.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It seems all as normal here on Bourbon Street. We're
seeing the street completely open now to vehicle traffic. Yesterday
they opened it back up to pedestrian traffic, but we're
starting to see within the last hour vehicles starting to
drive up and down Bourbon Street. But what has taken
our breath away this morning is a growing memorial to
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the fourteen lives that we're taken here in the very
early hours of New Year's say. I'm gonna move out
of the way so you can see that for yourself
this morning. You can see it's off to the side
next to these temporary barricades that have been put into
place on the sidewalk. It's candles and crosses that have
been left here for those fourteen people that were killed
in this vehicle ramming attack. They're right beside these yellow
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barricades that were dropped off yesterday afternoon by law enforcement.
These are next to that mechanical barricade that we keep
focusing on that wasn't functioning on New Year's Day that
they're hoping to get functioning in time for the Super
Bowl next month. Now you hear the sounds of vehicles
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driving to meeting here. That shows you that forty eight
hours after this attack, more than forty eight hours after
this attack, things are back up and running. Bourbon Street
was opened yesterday. People were businesses were back open, people
were visiting bars last night. The life was back in
Bourbon Street. We got here over an hour ago and
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people were leaving those wars walking back to their homes
their hotels here.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
So in the video you see that oh now after
the fact, they've put the auto ballards on the sidewalks,
and then she should see an end shows he embedded
below surface steel ballard that's not functioning. How long do
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they know it wasn't functioning? And do you realize that
in New Orleans they spent forty million dollars on a
Bourbon Street safety plan. Here's the Attorney General of.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Louisiana, and what happened to the money? By the way,
because there was forty million? I know it was back
in I guess twenty seventeen. But there was money, forty
million dollars given specifically focusing on on Bourbon Street as
a potential target of terrorists. Do we know what happened
all that money.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I don't think we know the answer to that question
yet that I'm sure we will obtain it.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
We don't know yet back I'm sure we'll find out
where it is. Nobody will be illed accountable. The police
chief who admitted on air that she didn't even know
they had them. The attorney general says, well, I don't
know where the money went, but we're gonna try to
find out. The governor, the mayor forty million dollars for
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a safety plan to protect Bourbon Street and nobody knows
where the money went. Nobody knows what's going on. I
think this is another example of why Trump won. The
mayor should have the honor to resign. The police chief
in particular should have the honor to resign. She should
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add actually, she should have the shame to resign, and
if not, she had to be fired because to admit
publicly or to even admit that you knew that you
didn't know that you had those kind of barriers, and
then oh, I don't know where that I didn't know
he hadn't I didn't know where they were. And then
to forty million dollars. I don't care if it was
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twenty seventeen or twenty twenty. Forty million dollars, and you
can't account for it, and the Attorney general doesn't know
where it was spent, how what was done, And now
fourteen people are dead because of a lack of planning
and someone and CNN is trying to convince you that
putting a cop car is somehow a hard target. No. No,
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you ever seen video of you can find them on
YouTube all over the place of a car getting t boned,
somebody runs through a stop sign, is t boned. That's
exactly what happened on Bourbon Street. And yet nobody will
be held accountable. Nobody will be held accountable. And as
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that report goes on to point out, and I'm not
saying that you need to shut it down permanently, although
that's been under consideration in the past. Now vehicles are
just willing nelly driving up and down Bourbon Street, pedestrians everywhere.
You know, terras had been known to strike twice. Terraces
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had been known to think to them, Okay, we did okay,
we did okay the first time, but we can do
better the next time, so let's try it again. You
remember the nineteen ninety three World Trade Center bombing. Oh,
we didn't bring the towers down. So al Qaeda spent
plenty of time, they spent you know, almost a decade,
and said, well, we'll try it again, but this time,
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instead of doing bombs in the parking garage, let's try
planes and see we can bring them down that way. Yeah.
We live in an entirely different world, and yet here
people are just shrugging their shoulders like, yeah, well we
don't know, we don't know, and no one's held accountable.
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That is a culture change that must occur in this country.
Hang tied, I'll be.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Right back.
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Tonight. Michael Brown joins me here.
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Brown USA. So Monday's January sixth, the anniversary. I wonder
what's going to happen. Well, I know one thing that's
not going to happen, and that is that the cases
against Donald Trump about January six are not going anywhere.
Those are gone. And then we have January twentieth coming up.
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A couple of fascinating to see that. Yeah, two months
both on Mondays. We got January six Monday, then we
have January twentieth Monday. So a lot of interesting Mondays
this month. But there is one thing that will occur
that probably shouldn't occur next week, but nonetheless will anyway
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in what I consider to be a last ditch law
fair effort that far left New York Judge Wan Mersham
is insisting and has ordered that he will sentence President
elect Donald Trump on January tenth in a so called
hush money case. Now, a New York jury found Trump
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guilty back in May on thirty four felony counts of
falsifying business records related to payments made to adult actress
Stormy Daniels back in twenty sixteen. I can't move on
without at least commenting on the case. There's really no
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I mean, I would never tell a client this, but personally,
there's no doubt in my mind that these convictions eventually
be overturned. The case was flimsy, The case violated Trump's
due process rights. They made the jury instructions were wholly
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wholly improper. You can every juror could find Trump guilty
of something different, and then because they all found him
guilty of something, that allowed them to then find him
guilty of a federal statue that had been barred by
the Statute of Limitations. I mean, that is really turning
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yourself into a pretzel trying to find a law that
you can convict somebody on and then using a witless
jury to do so. But nonetheless, the sentencing will occur
on January tenth, were Shawn's sentencing. Everything I read says
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it's likely going to be a conditional discharge. Now I'm
not a New York lawyer, so I'm not quite sure
what this means under New York law, but I can
tell you generically what it means. There's not going to
be any jail time, and the case will be dismissed
if Trump is not arrested again over the next three years.
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In other jurisdictions where I am licensed to practice law
authorized to practice law, we call those deferred sentences. Now
New York may be slightly different. It may not be
exactly the same as a deferred sentence, but oftentimes somebody
will end up with a deferred sentence. You're found guilty
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or you plead guilty, and the judge says, based on
all the evidence, in all the agreements that's been made,
that I'm going to defer your sentencing until you know,
three years from now. In other words, you're going to
be on probation for three years now. Whether the judge
can do that under the immunity case of the Spring
courts in this New York case, I'm not quite sure,
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but it kind of operates the same way. You know,
this is going to be dismissed three years from now
if you're a good boy and you don't do anything
in this case, if he's not arrested again within three years.
But this case, even when you turn to CNN, CNN's
own legal analyst Elie Hannig referred to this case as
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a quote ill conceived, unjustified mess. But nonetheless, Alvin Bragg,
the Manhattan District Attorney, gives the power of the judicial
system to try to interfere in the presidential election. Even
the judge's daughter, remember this, She was found to have
a direct financial relationship with top Democrats via her firm
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called Authentic. Now Trump's been ordered to appear in person
or virtually. Somebody on the text line, I forget your
guber number. Somebody on the text line said, you know,
if I were Trump, I just wouldn't do that at all. Well,
he can't. He is required by a court order to
appear either in person or virtually. I think Marshaun recognizes
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that you really can't order the president elect into your
court room, even in this criminal case. So we'll let
you appear virtually, which I'm sure that's what he will do. Yesterday.
The court's order said this, This Court finds that neither
the vacatur of the jury's verdicts nor dismissal the indictment
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are required by the Presidential Immunity Doctor, the Presidential Transition Act,
or the Supremacy Clause. And this Court further finds that
defendants arguments, whether independent of one another or considered together
in support of his motions pursuant to certain statutes, are unpersuasive,
as no compelling factor, consideration, or circumstance submitted demonstrate that
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the imposition of a sentence would result in an injustice.
And this further finds that there is no legal impediment
to imposition of sentence under a certain statute, And so
there is, and so it is hereby ordered that defendant's
motion to dismiss the indictment and vacate the jury verdict
pursued to a statute is denied. And it is further
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ordered that the defendant appear for sentencing following conviction on
January tenth, twenty twenty five, at nine thirty in the
morning at the courthouse located such and such street. And
it is further ordered that the defendant Trump may choose
to appear at his sentencing in person or virtually. Council
is directed to inform this Court of defendant's preference no
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later than tomorrow, January five, twenty twenty five. Here's what
I want you to do. Here's what I believe about
the case. The judge could have just dismissed the verdict,
he could have overruled the jury, and he could have
just missed the case. Why won't he do that? Because now,
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again this depends on the terms of the sentence, and
we don't know what he is yet. So we don't
know what the judge is going to say on January tenth,
what he's going to say this coming week, but he
may word at such that at least until the verdict
is overturned. Trump would be convicted felon. He's not currently
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a convicted felon. He's only a convicted felon once sentencing
is imposed, which is why I can't wait to hear
what the judge really does in terms of sentencing. Because
if he does a deferred sentence, what you're really doing
is saying, I'm putting off the sentencing for three years.
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I handled many criminal cases like this where it might
be a first time offender, or there might be extenuating circumstances,
or I just might be able to cut a deal
with the district attorney where, look, my client's willing to
plead guilty. You put him on probation for twelve months,
twenty four months, thirty six months, whatever, and then if
he comes back into court, you know, whatever that time
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period is. And then he comes back and he hasn't
violated the law, he hasn't been arrested for anything, then
the charges will be dismissed. You'll be able to change
your plea of guilty to not guilty and will dismiss
the charges. Something like that could happen here, but I
don't think it will, because I think this judge wants
to be the one judge that everybody could point to
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and say he convicted Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is
a convicted fellow, and he will be until the appeals
are perfected, and the New York Court of Appea, the
New York Supreme Court and eventually, the New York Court
of Appeals, because that's their hierarchy, would eventually overturn the
conviction and then Trump would no longer be a convicted fellow.
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But that's what's coming up this week. They'll never stop,
and it goes back to accountability. You know. Joe Biden
today is giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom out. He
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gave it to George Soros's son, Ali. I think his
name is Alec or Alex, one of the two. Isn't
it kind of interesting that won Yesterday he gave a
Presidential Citizenship Award to Liz Cheney of all people, and
then today he's giving the Presidential Medal of Freedom to
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not only George Soros's son, but to Hillary Clinton. Now,
I'm not quite sure what either one of them have
done in terms of American freedom, but I think Biden
is just trying to do as much as he can
between now and the next vacation he takes before January twentieth.
But back to the Court in New York. Alvin Bragg
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got into office on the campaign promise that he would
go after Donald Trump, and he was supported by George
Sorows who's getting the medal of Freedom today by Joe Biden,
and one of the lawyers that worked on the case
came from Biden's Department of Justice, who took a cut
and pay to go conduct this lawfair against Donald Trump.
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And yet we won anyone. Trump won anyone. So whatever
happens on January tenth, six, that would be Friday. I
think whatever happens Friday, I want you to take a
deep breath because it is my sincere, deeply held professional
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belief that this court is that this verse in this
case is so screwed up and so messed up that
any competent court's going to look at it and say,
this was a miscarriage of justice, this lack to due process,
this was a convoluted, unnecessary case, and I think it
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will be thrown out. So whatever happens on January tenth,
don't get too wound up over the axle about it.
I'll be right back, as I always do at the
end of the program every Saturday, I want to thank
everybody for tuning in. I appreciate everybody listening. I hope
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so I kind of understand what you're talking about. But
you can text me time you want to. So I'm
gonna close with this speaking to Joe Biden. So there's
a podcast. Puck News has a podcast. I don't listen
to it regularly. I just look at what the topics
are and sometimes listen called Somebody's Got a Win. And
one of Puck's reporters, Tara Palmery, is the host of it. Well.
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Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley, whom has has written a book
about me, which now I shouldn't say about me. It
was about Katrina in general, but it starts out about me.
I always laugh about him as a historian because in
the book that he wrote about Katrina, on the very
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first page he makes like five factual errors. Five easily
provable factual errors. So anytime I hear Douglas Brinkley talking
about anything, I take it with a huge grain of salt.
But he claims on this podcast that Biden has effectively
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been unable to serve as the commander in chief for
at least the past three years. Now, that's the fact
that the White House and the White House staffers have
been trying to cover up for the past probably four years.
But Brinkley, like in the situation to former President Woodrow Wilson,
and I agree with that Wilson suffered a stroke largely
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hidden from the American public, and his wife, Edith Wilson
essentially ran the country. I think Jill Biden and the
staff and the big donors and Barack Obama. But when
I say to staff, I'm essentially talking about Barack Obama,
I think they've been running the country. Now. During her
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conversation during this Reporter's conversation with the historian Brinkley on
this podcast, she alleges similarities between Biden's final year in
office and that of former President Ronald Reagan, who some
believe was too incapacitated to serve and was leaving decisions
up to his wife Nancy. Now, before I went on
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vacation and before this podcast aired, other people have made
a similar comparison. Now I'm not going to do it
today because I don't have time, but I picked a
speech that Reagan gave shortly before he left office, almost
in the same time frame as were in. Now. He
was lucid, he was coherent. The press conference went on
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for well over an hour. I think he was on
top of his game. You can't say that about Joe Biden. Well.
In response to this reporter from Puck, in response to
her allegation that it was like Ronald Reagan, Brinkley actually
pointed out that Wilson's case was more severe. He said, this,
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an even more exaggerated case of that syndrome was when
Woodrow Wilson was incapacitated by strokes in his last years
in the presidency. Edith Wilson ostensibly ran the government. In
Biden's case, about after a year about after about year two,
there was no there there, it seems, and I'm hoping
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journalists the Wall Street journal is doing a good job
of tracing it, but we really need to know who
were this inner circle in the White House. Was it wrong? Claim.
I mean, who, who do we knew that? Because nobody,
anybody meeting Joe Biden knew that this was an issue.
So who was trying to protect him like that they'd
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been running cover for Biden? You know that, I know that,
But I think she does raise a legitimate question, and
it kind of goes back to the theme of this
entire hour about accountability. How soon after January twentieth do
staffers or doctor Jill Biden, or a big donor or
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somebody run to a publishing house with stories to tell about, Oh,
we knew from almost day one he was incapable of
doing the job. You know, It's been reported that Biden
spent his final years I'm talking about not just this year,
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but probably the past three years largely insulated from anything
else by his wife and a core group of aids
that were considered to be loyal to Jill Biden. This
so called inner circle includes the Deputy Chief of Staff
Annie Thomasini, Jill Biden's top advisor, Anthony Bernall, and of
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course Ashley WI Williams, who's a long time Biden staffer.
But the cabul's scrutiny regarding Biden's health intensified after he
dropped out of the twenty twenty four presidential race, and
at least one CBS news analyst acknowledge that the major
news networks largely ignored his cognitive problems before that June
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presidential debate. He's now running in place. Yesterday giving out medals,
today giving out medals. He just came back from Saint
Croix down in the Virgin Islands, US Virgin Islands on vacation,
and now here we are sixteen days away. Hold your
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breath because we don't know what can happen in sixteen days.
I'm not anxious about it, but knowing what I do
know about what a president can do in sixteen days,
or what foreign leaders, foreign adversaries can do in sixteen days,
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I don't want to wish your life away. I don't
want to wish my life away. Life at my age
passes way too quickly already. But I would just encourage
people to stop, take a moment out of your day,
pray for the nation, and pray that we get through
the next sixteen days. So you've got two assignments. You
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got to go watch the movies Uncle Tom, and you
got to say a prayer. Everybody have a great weekend.
I'll see you next Saturday.