10-13-25 - 8am - Jon Caldara Filling In - Smoke Shop Owners on Prop 310

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, John, all of this AI and technology, it's making
a mess out of my eight track and reel to reel.
I'm so confused. I don't know what to do. Oh,
eight tracks. What I loved about eight tracks the two things.
And you had an eight track cassette in your car.

(00:21):
You had an eight track, but you also had to
have a book of matches. Why because that little triangle,
that shape that it made, you could put it in
there and move the eight track up or down because
the tracks never never aligned right. And two I loved
the eight track because it looped, so when a song

(00:43):
went too long, they would fade it out and then
pop it back up when it switched over to the next. Click.
It was, it was great, It was great. Hey, I'm
John Keldarrek. What was that? The chunk, chunk, the chunk?
Imagine I'm trying to explain an eight track cassette to
a kid today. Well, it had a limited number of songs,

(01:08):
and you couldn't go right to the song you wanted.
You had to play it all the way. But to
make that easier, you could jump ahead. They split it
into four sections. That's why they called it an eight track. What. Well,
because that four stereo things. What and to top off,
it sounded bad about on the bright side, it sounded

(01:28):
bad and it would always you could move it and
it would move out in and out of out of
songs to another track. Oh, it was a glorious day.
Too bad, we don't still have that technology. I'm John Caldera.
So on your ballot if you live in Denver is
a proposition called three one zero three ten. I get

(01:53):
very excited about this because I don't smoke. I don't smoke,
I don't vape, I don't do tobacco, I don't do pot.
I do scotch, and not enough of it. A while back,
our elites in Denver decided to outlaw flavored nicotine products
and flavored tobacco. What does that mean? Well, he doing

(02:18):
it for the kids. It means that you cannot get
your Swisher sweet cigar. Yeah, Swiss or sweet cigar is
now contraband in Denver. Well it soon will be a
bunch of vape shop tobacco shop owners who are going
to get ruined by this have decided to put something

(02:39):
on the ballot through the initiative process to undo this
bit of elitism. What concerns me is that this band
has support from the nanny left and the nanny right,
even though kids can't buy any of these products. So
I thought i'd invite a couple of the shop owners on.

(03:01):
Kristin Hansel is the owner of a place called Rusties
Vape and Smoke Shop, and Phil Garin, if I have
that correct has mixed up creations. Welcome guys. I'm glad
to have both of you on. I tell you what
we'll see if we can keep this conversation on track.
Let me start by Phil. I haven't talked to Phil.

(03:22):
I've talked to Kristen before.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Phil.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Good morning, Thank you. What is the store that you own?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Good morning, John, and thanks for having us on this
beautiful morning. Well we I'm a lifelong I was born
in Denver, lifelong resident, and I don't like the track
that our city's been on and pretty much probably the
last decade. And this is the last straw. But it's
I was moved to action because it's directly targeting me,

(03:50):
and it's it's basically blaming people like me and Kristen
or a problem that we have absolutely nothing to do with,
and it's time that we stand up. And this is
one of the few times in my life more than
fifty years old, and I can remember that this is
going to be a time when the voters can really

(04:10):
hold our government accountable. And I really feel like this
is our supercific you know, responsibility.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, you said that you're being held responsible for a
problem you didn't cause. What problem is that specifically?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
So according to the other side, it's it's the youth
vaping epidemic, which we've seen the numbers on that, by
their own numbers declined by almost two thirds in the
last just three years. And that's because of a lot
of things that we implemented during COVID and right before COVID,

(04:45):
and now they're actually working.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
But just to be clear, I just want to make clear,
this is about kids having flavored, nicotine flavored, tobacco flavored
vape products. That's why the Denversity Council put in this ban.
Let me ask you, Phil, how many times have you
sold a vape product to a nicotine product, a tobacco

(05:09):
product to someone under twenty one?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Zero times?

Speaker 1 (05:14):
John is zero times. Because it is illegal for you
to sell that product to kids, anybody.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Under twenty one, not just kids, anybody under twenty one
years of age, and.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Let me see if I got this right. I understand
that kids can get hold of some of your products.
I'm going to focus it on a Swiss or sweet
cigar because when I was a kid, there was a
law passed that every grandfather had to smoke these. I
don't know why, but that was the law, and every
grandfather had them. This law gets rid of that flavored
tobacco product that every old man had. I've here, I

(05:55):
haven't seen because I'm sure this never happens. But alcohol
also gets into kids' hands, and marijuana products also gets
into kids' hands. Both of those things are a danger
for kids. I'm assuming the city council outlawed selling those
products to adults, just like they are have outlawed selling

(06:20):
your product to adults, because they're consistent. Am I right?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
You are right? And it's bizarre.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Wait wait a minute, they ban the sale. They ban
the sale of alcohol and marijuana to adults.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's nuts, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
No, no, no, you missed, you missed my read. Let's
try this again. So they outlawed your product, I'm asking,
so they obviously outlawed alcohol and marijuana, correct, And the
answer is no, they haven't. Outlawed alcohol or oh, I
thought you were talking about the under twenty one to
under twenty one, but but to all people. So the

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difference is adults can't buy your product even though it
finds its way into kids' hands. They're doing the same
for liquor stores and marijuana shops, and the answer is
absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
That logic would make sense.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
All right, So Christy wanted to jump in. You own
a store called Rusties, and I mean, I get it.
Kids should not be smoking, they shouldn't be vaping, they
shouldn't be drinking alcohol. They shouldn't be doing this, which
is why it's illegal. Why do you think you guys
are getting picked on? While the liquor stores still could
sell their product to adults and marijuana stores can still

(07:41):
sell their product, why are they picking on you guys.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
We're not really sure.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
That's why it seems extra strange and hypocritical. I would
imagine they probably use alcohol products themselves, and so you know,
their white claws and strawberry margaritas are fine, but this
they're they're kind of using the kid argument and using

(08:06):
that to just make a blanket. Hurry up, everyone freak
out because kids are vaping and let's just band these
products and they're not really looking into the whole picture
of adults that use these products, Adults that use these
products to quit smoking, adults like who, adults who just
like these products. You know, if I choose to go
buy a strawberry mango vape over a strawberry mango margarita,

(08:30):
like I said, I should, I feel I should be
able to.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, what's so weird about this is alcohol has all
these flavored alcohols you mentioned white claw and Margarita's. There's
vodkas that are peach infused. Marijuana does the same thing.
But when you guys have tobacco like a Swiss or
suite that is a flavored tobacco, somehow that's evil and

(08:57):
that's wrong. This is this is the incan consistency of
this that just drives me nuts.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
So what does three ten do. Let's go to Phil. Phil.
I know you guys, you small shop owners. We're able
to get enough signatures to get this on the ballot
and Denver voters can vote yes or no on it.
Which way do you want them to vote? And what
does it do?

Speaker 2 (09:27):
We need the Denver voters to vote no, And what's
happened here is that for some reason, Michael Bloomberg he's
a bully and he's using the course of power of
government to force his values on us, and we don't
want them, and we need Denver voters to be active
and step up and take control of our destiny.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
John, So, voting no means that the ban goes away.
So basically, you've put this the question that they voted on,
back onto the ballots. Shall we have a ban on
flavored tobacco products? And you hope people say no?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
What happens if it stays. Let's assume that this ban
stays and adults, I want to make it very clear,
it's already illegal for kids to buy your product. Let's
assume the ban stays in effect and adults can no
longer buy Swiss or sweets in Denver, or flavored nicotine products.

(10:32):
What happens to your.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Stores, We will essentially shudder, and it will be the
same for at least one hundred businesses inside the city
of Denver. This impacts over five hundred businesses in the
city of Denver, which I think is massive, and I
don't understand whether it's not a much stronger just movement
and push behind us. We've been mischaracterized as big tobacco,

(10:56):
and you know, we started this and we are not
big tobacco. Go and we do not have the resource
of the big tobacco. So we're really expecting this to
you know, people to really get behind us, and people
like you, John that really champion, you know, for the
rights of adults, and we appreciate this opportunity and helping
us get this message out because we are not big tobacco.

(11:16):
And actually what we're doing is we're advocating the adults
use responsible products and make better choices for themselves. And
if you want to flavor John and you're responsible, there's
no reason that you should not have that. So we
really the one thing about this, the biggest impact is
going to be the jobs, thousands of jobs, and they're

(11:37):
talking about the health and well being the kids. One
of my employees' fourteen year old daughters, I just saw
her on Friday, said to me that she doesn't want
her mom to lose her job. And so they're doing
this to protect the kids, and they're not thinking about
the thousands of kids that this is going to impact immediately.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
That's a great point. I hadn't even really thought about that,
which is, this is for the kids, but the law
doesn't affect the kids. This is the first one just
drives me nuts. Secondly, when mom and dad are out
of a business, it's not good for those kids, and
it's going to hurt their children. Your opponents have a

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issue committee. It's like for the kids or kids off
tobacco or something like that. They have the word kids
in it, and I took a look and lo and behold,
none of the people on their committee are children. They're
all a bunch of adults. And this law should it stand,
says adults shall join children in not being able to

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buy this product. In other words, not only should it
be illegal for kids, but it should be illegal for
adults too. This has nothing. This law has nothing to
do with kids. The title of their program their committee
makes no sense because it's already illegal to sell this

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product to kids. It's all about denying adults the ability
to buy flavored tobacco products, and that just it. It
infuriates me because of the inconsistency. It infuriates me because
adults should be able to be treated like adults. And

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then I think about it from a tax point of view,
this city is going broke, and so let's put these
businesses out of business and lose the sales tax revenue.
How much do you guys contribute into the pockets of
the city of Denver tax wise.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
We generate, We generate hundreds of millions of dollars and
it it translates to over thirteen million dollars in tax
revenue direct tax revenue for the city, but through prop
ee to the state, it contributes again to the wellbeing
of young children with pre K education. So this is
negatively impacting children in a lot of different ways. And

(14:12):
that's really another whole ironic piece of what's going on here.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
It is pretty funny that in Colorado, if you love
the children, you should smoke cigarettes, because when you smoke cigarettes,
money goes to Colorado's Read to Achieve program and kids
reading programs. So that's why I hang around playgrounds and
light up cigarettes so that I can show those kids

(14:37):
how much I love them. That's how backward our tax
policy is in Colorado. Christ let me ask you about
this one. I know you guys raise some money because
you small shop owners were pouring in your own money
to keep your businesses alive. And then last week I
see that and out of state guy Michael Bloomberg. This

(15:00):
is a guy who when he was mayor outlawed Big
Sodas at seven to eleven put in a million and
a half bucks. A million and a half bucks. How
does that compare to what you guys have raised and
how do you feel about some out of state billionaire
putting the money into this fight.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Well, first of all, I got to say, it was
a little alarming to turn on the news and see
my face and sales face next to Michael Bloomberg's face.
It's just like I never thought that would happen. But
it truly is a David versus Goliath story in this case.
And they have way more money to plug into these
commercials and stuff that they're doing. But Bill and I

(15:44):
are out there putting yard signs up. We're you know,
ordering the stickers and the posters. We're driving around town.
We're begging people for donations. You know, we're trying. We're
connecting with all the shops in town. It's a real
grassroots effort, and it is Denver businesses and Denver families
and Denver you know, their employees, families that are going

(16:05):
to be impacted by this, and Denver as a whole.
Michael Bloomberg is going to be, you know, just fine,
you know, but me and Phil and all of our
employees are going to be the one struggling.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
So there. Their committee to keep this band is called
Yes for Denver's Kids, and both positive yes vote yes.
They say it's for Denver's Kids. You guys must be
no because you hate children, which should be your name
of no, because we hate kids. What I love by

(16:39):
the name is Let me let me ask you if
if this thing goes down, if if it's no, do
Denver kids have the ability to buy your product?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
No?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
No?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
No?

Speaker 1 (16:59):
If voter vote yes as they want you to, as
Michael Bloomberg wants you to, Yes for Denver's Kids. Do
kids have the ability to buy your product?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yes? No, No, well they will. They buy them online
and they sell them to each other like they will
still have the ability because they don't get them from us.
It's a very resourceful, just like either taking a little
liquor out of your parents' liquor cabinet and everybody did it,

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and city councils sat there like kids are from another planet.
They don't know what language they speak, they don't know
how they get you. And we were telling them they
did not bring us to the table as the largest stakeholders,
and we actually had solutions to this problem, real solutions,
which are hard, and it's not as easy as a
lazy band.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
It's it is so insultant. Hey, I'm going to keep
both of you guys over this long break here. I
want to I want to keep rolling with this. I
find it insulting that the nanius hide behind kids when
whether this passes or fails, it's illegal to sell this
product to kids, and they'll just find another way. This

(18:15):
is this is crazy. This is to punish adults for.

Speaker 4 (18:18):
Being Hey, John just wanted to chime in and say,
this is another great example of an effective leadership. When
you do not enforce the laws that you have on
the books, you end up with more stupid laws that
will be enforced for a while until they are no
longer enforced.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Hmmm, what a spectacular point. I'm John teldera good morning.
Thirty three minutes after give me a call three or
three seven to one, three eight, two five five, or
give us a talkback or a text on the line
with me as Kristen Henzel. She owns Rusties vape and
smoke shop. Phil Gurrin owns a shop called Mixed Up Creations.

(18:58):
Their businesses are at st I really don't care about that.
I care about our liberty being at steak. I don't smoke,
I don't do nicotine products. But for some reason, this
just hacks me off. What is it this City Council
of Denver is put forward at ban on flavored tobacco?

(19:23):
What is that? Those are Swisher sweets? You know what
Grandpa used to smoke. Now that's one of the products,
but also flavored weight products, flavored nicotine products. So I
just don't understand how liquor stores can stay in business.
And so peach infused vodka to adults and marijuana stores

(19:45):
can do cherry infused marijuana to adults, but these guys
can't sell Swisher sweets to adults. It really angers me.
And they put on the ballot. I guess what's hard
for me to also understand is you guys put something
on the ballot and you want to know vote explain that.

(20:08):
So you put something on the ballot that you hope
people vote down. It's another trick they have to use. So,
if I understand it correctly, you put the original proposal
on the ballot and that's the way it has to
be in order to get it to fail. Is that right?

(20:29):
Why don't we go to Kristin on that one. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (20:32):
So, since they kind of just put this stand through,
rushed it through. They put it in the middle of December,
so we basically had ninety days over the Christmas and
New Year's holiday to gather these signatures. They rushed it through.
They didn't hear any I got kind of lost in my.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Thought, what was the question again, you need people? How
did you get this on the bills a no vote?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Really? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Because they pushed it through without doing all their due
diligence and stuff. So it was already a band that
went into place, and since we were able to get
the signatures, that's the reason that it is delayed until January.
So if we hadn't been able to get these signatures,
it would have just been, like you said, nanny city
Council making this decision for everyone in the city. So
since we have to fight against the band that they

(21:25):
pushed through, now we're having to say do you want
to keep this ban? An answer is no.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
The answer is no, Phil, How hard was it to
get this on the ballot?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
It was nuts, And I mean it's one of those things.
As a kid, you always kind of fantasized about doing
something like this, and when we embarked on this journey,
I had no idea how hard it is just for
a regular citizen to be heard, and it actually we
had to collect. We collected seventeen thousand signatures, which means

(21:59):
the voters, we have a lot of people supporting us.
But then we had to verify those signatures, John and
each time each signature causes twenty dollars to verify. So
if you do the map on that, it costs us,
you know, well over two hundred thousand dollars just to
collect the signatures. And if you look at the campaign
financing right now, that's still half of the money that

(22:19):
we've raised is just to get the signatures, and the
other side's out raising us by four times. And I
do want to say that the organization that has given
the other half a million dollars on the other side
is fully funded by Michael Bloomberg pretty much, So you're
talking about two million dollars of Michael Bloomberg money against
Kristen and Phil and the rest of these other small businesses.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
It makes me wonder. It makes me wonder the logic
of this, and it shows me that our leaders are emotional.
They don't think this through. This is not about kids.
This is about banning this product for adults. I believe
adults should be able to buy a Swiss or Sweet

(23:07):
cigar if they want one. They don't want you to
go ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Another point I would like to make on about the
Denver City councils oversight on this is that these products
are still going to be the people everywhere else in
the Denver metro area. So not only is it going
to not stop kids from however they're getting access. If
they were getting it, you know, from an older sibling
in Denver, they're going to get it from an older
sibling in Aurora. But all those other customers, that adult

(23:36):
customers that come to me to buy their swisser sweets
and their you know, their babes and their water pipes
and their you know, Colorado T shirt. If they're going
to Aurora to buy their nicotine products, they're going to
buy everything else there. So it's going to put me
out of business.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Quickly, you get a nail on the head. John. This
is this is this is based on emotional decisions by
city council and not taking a pragmatic point of view
and kind of looking at.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
All of the sides, which I've confronted them about that
and they've been extremely disingenuous and that basically said, these
are their personal feelings and this is not what their
constituents want.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
And by the vote how it went in the City Council
and the lack of discussion, it definitely was not an
eleven to one type of situation. You're going to see
this is going to be a close vote just because
people are listening to their lives. But at the end
of the day, the constituents don't want this, so they're
just listening to their own feelings and their own emotions.
So they're creating law based on emotion, and that is

(24:40):
unhealthy for our democracy.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
You have a problem, you have a challenge. The challenge
is that so few of us smoke or use your products.
It's the same reason why it's easy for voters to
tax tourists and jack up hotel tax or rental car
taxes because it's not a tax on us, and it's

(25:05):
easy to beat up other people. Raising taxes on other
people is very easy. Banning things that you don't use.
It doesn't matter if you don't have guns and you
never want a gun. What's a little bit of gun
control because it just doesn't affect you. So for the
vast majority of us who don't buy your product, why

(25:29):
the hell should we care? And go to Christen on
this one? First, this is you've got to get people
who don't buy your product, who don't even really like
your product, to vote no on this proposal and keep
your product legal. Why should they do that?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I think it is just a matter of adult rights.
And it's kind of like who do a study council
thinks that they are that they can just come and
tell us what I can do. You know, I I
don't drink alcohol, but I want to vape. And who
is Amanda Sawyer to tell me that I cannot?

Speaker 1 (26:05):
And I just yeah, I like the way you put it.
You don't drink, but you do vape. So one of them,
the city council will allow to stay legal. So in
Denver you can do mushrooms if you're an adult, that's
okay by them. You can do marijuana if you want to,

(26:26):
that's okay with them. You can have a martini, you
can have a beer, you can have a glass of wine,
all infused with flavors. All of those things have flavors.
But yes, for some reason, what you do is so
perverse that they have the right to tell you not
to do it.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yohnactly, And what's next, Yeah, what's next. It may not
be something as obvious and well used as alcohol, but
it could be something else, you know, and then it
will affect you. And we need to hold our city
council well accountable. We elected them to help us and
serve us. And you know, we chose to open our
businesses in Denver, and now they are fully aware and

(27:10):
prepared to put us out of business.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Let me ask you about about the business part of this.
As you said, it doesn't stop Aurora, it doesn't stop Littleton.
All these other places will now be absorbing the business
that is lost in Denver. But you understand their goal
is the same things as gun rights advocates. They want

(27:36):
to take a little here, take a little there, and
make a patch work of systems around around the state
so that it's easier for the state legislature just to
do it statewide. And I can see the state legislature
doing this. So if you don't live in Denver, you
should still care about this bill any common on that.

(28:00):
Why should anybody outside of Denver worry about this?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Because rights, it's not a bipartisan issue. It's a multi
partis an issue. And I don't care what spectrum that
anybody is identifying in when it comes to their political beliefs.
We should defend our rights, and it's up to us
as citizens to defend our rights. Up it's up to

(28:28):
us to defend the free press because right now, John,
if we're not having this conversation, the right information is
not getting out to the public. And that's why this
is so important. This forum is so important, this discussion
is so important. And these people that we've hired, we
hired them to protect our rights, not to attack them.

(28:49):
And we're seeing it kind of across the board where
things that have never been challenged before are being challenged,
and it's time for us to be a little bit
more boisterous, and like you were saying, if you're on
the extreme right or the extreme left, I think it's
time that we have these conversations and that they understand
that this is not an easy issue, and you know,
the people that are more pragmatic in the center, that

(29:11):
we can really step up and dictate and protect our rights.
And that's important for everybody in the state. And everybody
knows as Denver goes, so does the rest of the state.
So everybody better be paying attention and please help support
us right now.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Conservatives make an interesting ally to these nannyists. Conservatives also
feel very that they want to control kids and they
want to make sure that they don't have a taste
of this. What do you say to conservatives and I
know lots of them who support these flavor bands because

(29:49):
they don't quite get that it's not about the kids,
it's about the adults. I imagine many of Brown's video
of listeners are probably socially conservative and they want to
do this for their grandkids. What do you say to them, This.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Doesn't help them. And we came to the table with
real solutions, and some of the things that are in
place are actually working. But I would say historically, just
look at the history of bands. They do not work.
And I don't understand why we have to keep trying
bands and they keep failing because that is the definition

(30:30):
of insanity. So if you want to subscribe to insanity,
then you are doing exactly that by trying to say
this law is going to change human behavior, because it
is not.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
If people want to learn more about this, do you
have a website? What do you want them to do?
I just get so exercised about about this one. Where
do they go?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Citizenpowerdenver dot org. Please support us wherever you are in
the country. I know that came how is being blasted
out across multi states. If you're in South Dakota and
you agree with this, please help us. If you're in Wyoming, Kansas, Nebraska,
help us. You taught everybody you know, this is our

(31:14):
these are our rights and traditionally, you know what you
were saying about, you know people on the right traditionally
that they're just centurions of the Constitution and we cannot
forget this amazing document that we have.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Been point taken. I gotta run, guys, Thank you so much.
Kristin Hansel from Rusty's Vabe Shop, Phil Gurrin from Mixed
Up Creations go support their businesses, but most importantly vote
no on three ten back after this you're on six
thirty k.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
How John, So we can't have kids smoking flavored cigarettes,
but we sure kids sexually mutilate them for life.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Good job, Colorado, Good job Colorado. I want to come
up with some sort of message that just says, thanks
for the consistency. So you've outlawed adults buying flavored tobacco
like Swishers sweets, you know, for the kids, but you

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still allow adults to buy mushrooms flavored pot flavored alcohol.
Thanks for the consistency. Thanks for the consistency. I'm John
Caldera and for the big man. Just keeping an eye
on the price of gold. I'm a monetary goob. It's

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over forty one hundred dollars an ounce. Just to give
you an idea of hard money versus soft money or
fiat money, which is just printed out of nowhere. Check
this out. If you had a dime from nineteen sixty four,
as back when there was actually silver in that dime,

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there was point zero seven percent of an ounce of
silver in that really tiny bit of silver. That dime
is now worth about three bucks and seventy cents three
p seventy for that one dime. So if we stayed
on a gold standard or some sort of standard, we
would have deflation. Or let me put it this way.

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If nineteen sixty four you had a quarter in your pocket,
it was about zero point one eight percent silver, but
you could use that quarter and buy a gallon of gasoline. Roughly,
here's a quarter gallon of gasoline. If you had that
same silver quarter today, the silver alone would allow you

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to buy three gallons of gasoline. That is deflation. Instead,
what we have is inflation because our money is worthless
because it's printed out of thin air. Why is gold
being pushed to all time highs? I'm John Caldera. Keep

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it right here here on six point thirty k. How