10-15-25 - 8am - Politically Motivated and Indigenous Peoples Day

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning Michael and Dragon. I hope you're both doing
well today. Michael, I think I texted this in before,
but I would prefer to see Gaza Gaza City left
in ruins as it is today. Leave it there, especially
for those who claim to be Pala Sintians, to see
what can happen if they do what they did. A
reminder for both sides, Reilly, don't don't improve it one inch.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Great day, guys, this.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Might be uh, you might be forty one was his number?
Four one three seven. Can you tell Dragon count uh?
Four one three seven?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Rights? Michael.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I hate to say it because I like Trump, but
he is starting to look like a combination of Jimmy
Carter and P. T.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Barnum. And we should leave the mess in Gaza just.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
As it is not one cent for rebuilding, or we
just encourage more of the same hamas these yesterday ground
zero as Alec and I are discussing with our daughter
al Qaeda, and one of the follow one questions was

(01:09):
what happened to specifically like what happened to Osama bin Lauden,
which interestingly, in the museum they do they do cover
al Qaeda and they even have the models that the
CIA used for al Zahari's compound and for beIN Lauden's compound.

(01:30):
So you can see those models they use as they
were doing their planning and studying about you know, what
do we put into the PDB about how actionable do
we believe the intelligence is that either Zarahi or or
Ben Lauden or in either one of these compounds. But
the follow one question was what happened to them? Did

(01:51):
you know? Did not them individually? And you know, also
just dawned on me to to show how little that
they're teaching about what occurred on that day.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Was.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
She wanted to know two things, well, lots of things,
but in context of this question, what happened to the
pilots of the planes and what happened to the hijackers?
Now I found that interesting because that tells me and

(02:31):
I believe this more so later on than I did.
When she asked the question, I thought, that means she's
not seen the videos. They're not showing the videos in schools,
and so I asked, I said, have you seen the
actual planes go into the towers? And she said, I

(02:54):
don't know. We didn't. There was nothing in the textbooks
there may be in some photos, but we never saw
any video or anything else about it. And so we
explained that, you know, these are seven sixty sevens. They
were headed from Boston all the way to Los Angeles

(03:14):
or wherever they were headed on the West coast, so
they had tons and tons of jet fuel, and they
specifically chose those flights because they were making a very
short trip. The hijackers were from Boston Logan to Lower Manhattan,

(03:35):
so that meant when they crashed the planes into the towers,
they had all of that jet fuel to burn and
weaken the building in hopes that you know, they would
bring the building down, and you know, they would bring
down the American economy. So we went through all that explanation,
and I said, but kiddo, the pilots were killed, as

(03:59):
were a few of the flight light attendance as they
were trying to hijack the planes, and then they slammed
the planes into the Pentagon the two trade towers. And
then I explained to her about Shanksville. She did not
know anything about Shanksville, anything about United ninety three. So

(04:19):
as we go through and there are it's done very tastefully,
and every every single one thing that Zach and I
talked about was how every single thing involved a lot
of thought and decision about where do we place things,
what are the orders, do we put any info about

(04:41):
I'll tie it into the museum or not.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
You know, there was a difference.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Family members had differences of opinion, but the decision was
made that people needed to understand what.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Was behind it.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
So when you get to a part of the museum
where they show Kaida, it's in a very dark room
and you have to look down on them to read
about them, as opposed to, you know, looking at eye level.
You have to look down at them. And then there
are snippets of some of the videos. So one of

(05:15):
the things I plan to do this week is to
pull up some of the documentaries because I wanted to
see that because when she saw some of the snippets
of the planes going into the tower, I don't know
for a fact, but I have the impression that was
her first time seeing that occur and realizing that, oh, hell,

(05:40):
of course nobody survived. The plane's going in at you know,
six hundred miles an hour or whatever and slamming right
into those towers.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I just I'm appalled at.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
What they are not teaching about that seminal moment in
American history. We should be spending I think, because it
changed so much about our lifestyles and about how we
deal with other countries. It led to you know, Afghanistan
and Iraq, which we have debates about that all along.

(06:13):
It would be like post civil war and not really
studying and understanding civil war another seminal moment in American history,
or for that matter, for that matter, d Day more
about world history. But that's how we stop the march
of tyranny back in the forties. So back to Gaza.

(06:39):
Not one cent for rebuilding, and we just encouraged more
of the same. I then had to explain that, yes,
our Kaida still exists, it's split it off into all
these different groups. And there's al Taida in the Arabian Peninsula,
there's all Taida here, there's all Taida there. Some of
us split off into their own groups ISIS and got

(06:59):
the Talibano here in Afghanistan.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And these terrorist.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Organizations are you know, not really all of the Talimani,
I guess you could say is now since it runs
Afghanistan is state sponsored terrorism. There's just not that connection
between you know, even the bombing of nineteen ninety three

(07:23):
and then two thousand and one and then how that
changed our lives.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And maybe it's too much.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I was gonna say, maybe it's too much for high school,
and I caught myself because no, it's not too much
for high school.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
They should be doing.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
It six zero eight fire rights Michael. Okay, so you're
a Hamas terrorist, You're totally lay down your weapons. What
do they do now, go get a job? Well, can
you imagine their resume? Torture people. I'd behead people, I
set people on fire, I rape women. Even McDonald's would
turn them down. Big life change as all they know

(07:59):
is death and destruction. That's why going back to that
story in the last hour, I wanted to work and
I hope it works, but there seems to be a
lot of euphoria that I think right now is a
little over the top, and we ought to be realistic
about it and think about boy, there's a lot of

(08:21):
work still to be getting done, and there's still a
lot of booby traps that could very easily derail a ceasefire.
So everybody just calmed down. I was shocked to learn that.
Jack Smith, Yeah, that, Jack Smith, you know, let's go

(08:42):
after Donald Trump is back in the news because Congress
is starting hearings. Well, I guess when you're facing a
possible indict which I'll get to in a minute, When
you're facing a possible indictment down in Florida and you're
facing congressional hearings, what do you want to do? You
want to go out and dirty up the jury pool.

(09:03):
You want to make certain that the jury pool starts
to hear your side of the story before you walk
into a courtroom, Jack Smith.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
These are team players who don't want anything but to
do good in the world. They're not interested in politics, And.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, grab if they're not interested in politics, you have
the opportunity to prosecute a president and you throw your
hand up and say, yes, I will go do that.
Of course you're interested in politics. What a dumb ass
thing to say.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
I get very concerned when I see how easy it
is to demonize these people for political ends, when these
are the very sort of people I think we should be.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Celebrating, really celebrating.

Speaker 4 (09:47):
Then the idea that politics would play a role in
big cases like this, it's absolutely ludicrous and it's totally
contrary to my experience as a prosecute.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
That's all you've done, is a prosecutor, is you've taken
to political cases that nobody else in DOJ wanted. You
were the guy that was so bad about your political prosecutions.
They sent you overseas, They sent you to Brussels to
go do work over there and to get you out
of the country because every single conviction you were getting

(10:22):
was being overturned. So don't tell me about your political
bias being ludicrous. What's ludicrous as your statement.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Then the district court agreed with us, the appellate court
agree with us, even the Supreme Court. It didn't expedite
the case as much as we wanted to.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
They did expedite it.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, because it involved the president of the United States.
Of course they're going to it was a it was
a these were cases of national concern that needed to
be addressed quickly, or this one. Here's where he starts
to really trying to influence the jury pool.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
We had tons of evidence of wilfulness and the obstructive
evidence publicly saying these are my documents or things like
that and I can keep them.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, there was a legitimate dispute or whether he keeps
certain documents or not. But rather than sit down with
National Archives, rather than sit down and negotiate what you
can and because other presidents do that, Hey I want
to keep this. No you can't keep that, Well why
not let's debate it. Well, well, if I give you this,
then that I mean it's yes, it's public record, its

(11:34):
public documents, it belongs to the National Archives, but some
is personal and presidents are entitled to keep some of that.
It was all political. So here's the guy that for
the on behalf of the Biden Department of Justice, a
special counsel of dubious appointment, whether it was constitutionally appointed

(11:57):
or not as questionable, who led the Democrat law against
Donald Trump before they were dropped following Trump's victory in
twenty twenty four, is now out there publicly defending his investigation.
And I think he's doing it solely because there's a
new congressional inquiry and there's that possible indictment that's going

(12:18):
to come about if the Grand Journey returns the indictment,
which I probably think they will early next year in
Fort Pierce, Florida. So that was him in London last
week claiming his team acted independently and then trying to
downplay all the allegations that his goal was to interfere
in the twenty twenty four presidential election. Bull crap is
exactly what you were trying to do. These are team

(12:40):
players who don't want to do anything but good in
the world. They're not interested in politics. They're interested in politics,
and they thought they were doing good in the world
because the only good in the world that you could
see was to make sure that Donald Trump never became president.
You see how you take the words that face value,
and that's what the media will play, that cabal will

(13:02):
play that for you. Oh, these are team players who
don't want to do anything but good in the world.
They're not interested in politics. Well, the good in the
world that we were after as a team that was
prosecuting that guy was to keep as far away from
the presidency as possible. You know, you think about this,
all the pardons, all of the pardons, whether they were

(13:25):
auto panned or the few that were actually signed by
the president President Biden himself. Neither Jack Smith nor anybody
in his team of investigators got a pardon from Biden
in those last few days in the White House and
then to go on and argue that it was absolutely
ludicrous to imply that his investigations were politically motivated. Seriously

(13:48):
appointed by then Attorney General Merrick Garland in November twenty
twenty two, he was looking into Trump's retention of the
classified documents at Marlago and his a legend in the
January sixth Capitol riots, both of which are political issues.
Are they're political issues that have a subtext of legal issues.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
These are not.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Legal issues that have a subtext of politics. It was
exactly the inversion of that. So this guy, the spearheaded
the Biden's True Law fair against Trump, is now facing
serious legal jeopardy. But making those comments is pretty unusual,

(14:37):
and considering Jack Smith, some would say arrogant, but if
you understand Jack Smith's track.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Record, it's not.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Well, yes, it is arrogance, but it's not surprising whatsoever.
So Jim Jordan, Republican from Ohio, has called for Smith
to testify behind closed doors before Honor before October twenty eighth,
and he's accused him of overseeing politically motivated investigations. Now

(15:07):
that includes allegations that the FBI agent's under Smith's direction
got the phone toll records of all those Republican lawmakers
during the January sixth pro They reportedly, and I think
probably could be proven, used a grand jury subpoena for
those records, But there's no indication that the lawmakers were

(15:29):
targets of investigation. And in the meantime, the Independent Office
of Special Counsel, they've opened an inquiry into whether Smith
violated the Hatch Act, which is rarely, if ever, used
as a matter for former prosecutors. But then there was this,
and this gets overlooked too much, and that is Jack

(15:52):
Smith filed some legal documents late September which revealed that Miami,
Florida's usattorney, Jason Redding he knowns, had impaneled the grand
jury in Fort Pierce, That's where Smith's document case prosecution
against Trump one Point I was taking place, set to

(16:12):
begin reviewing evidence in an unknown case on January twelve,
twenty twenty six. That grand jury impanelment, that formation of
that grand jury has led to I think serious and
legitimate speculation that Jack Smith could be facing prosecution for
actions that he took during the document's case, including the

(16:37):
FBI rate on mar Algo. It ain't overtain it until
it's over. And I think the other thing is this
is not retribution. This is if somebody freed them. Let's
switch parties. If these were Democrats going after republics with

(17:01):
anybody in the media being using would they be using
the term retribution?

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Of course not.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, the republic is just crup We're gonna go get Yeah, well,
I think the Democrats are corrupt. Maybe they're all corrupt.
Whoever is corrupt not corrupt. I want to weed it out.
And that's what exactly is going on.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Me, Michael, if you bought a person New York, don't
blame it on your wife. Own up to it.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
It looks so good on me though. It just looks fabulous.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Matches your shoes, it's just fantastic.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'll put a picture of it on an Instagram so
all of you can have a picture of it. I'll
autograph them for you. So Monday was.

Speaker 6 (17:59):
Broad Days Day, Columbus Day.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
We sat down, we had we had stopped at a
little cafe to have some distregrated little sandwich or something,
and it was packed. The really there was you know,
typically it's just like in Tokyo. So there was a
there was a table and there was a couple sitting there,
and then the two chairs next to them were open.
So I just told my granddaughter, let's just sit next

(18:26):
to this couple and we'll just eat sandwiches. And I
can feel I can tell she was a little uncomfortable
that because you know, it's all crammed in, and you
know you're kind of like invading their space. But that's
what you're doing in New Yorker, in cities like that.
When we sit down and turns out there Italian because
he can't he's you know, he starts on my English

(18:47):
is not very good. I want to ask you some questions,
and he starts talking to me, and that's where theory.
I'm sorry, you know who on the iPhone is amazing.
You can you can say please translate and he can
talk in Italian that I can read in English, and

(19:09):
then we can do the same thing back the other way.
It was totally awesome. Tara Babbel's gone. I mean, it's like,
you know, everybody's everybody's camoring each other.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Now.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Turns out he's a retired firefighter. He was there for
the Columbus Day Parade, and you know they've come all
the way from they were up and they lived in Turin,
which is in northern Italy, and they were there all
excited about that. Of course, the prey got canceled. I
thought about them all day. Monday pray got canceled, which
is fine with me because that that freed up. It

(19:42):
was a holiday. Anyway, did you did you get Monday off?
Do we get Monday off?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Dragon?

Speaker 6 (19:46):
No, that's not It's a company holiday around here.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
What are you talking.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
About, Well, but it's well, it's a Columbus Day. However,
some people think that it's Indigenous something day, Indigenous People's Day,
or something where they.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Caught along those lines.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, yeah, well guess who thinks that.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
It is an honor, of course to be.

Speaker 6 (20:12):
Oh wait, I thought she was dot nut feather.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
It is an.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
Honor, of course to be with you this week as
we celebrate Indigenous People's Day, as we speak truth about
our nation's history. Since nineteen thirty four, every October, the
United States has recognized the voyage of the European explorers

(20:35):
who first landed on the shores of the Americas. But
that is not the whole story.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Oh, now we get the Paul Harvey. The rest of the.

Speaker 7 (20:45):
Story that has never been the whole story. Those explorers
ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations, perpetrating violence,
steal land, and spreading disease. We must not shy away
from this shameful past, and we must shed light on

(21:10):
it and do everything we can to address the impact
of the past on Native communities today.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Would you like an alternate view of that? We should
probably go to. This is George Carlin. Don't don't pantic dragon.
He's at He's at the National Press Club, which probably
doesn't mean anything he said, just also being carried by
sea span and he had a new book that came out,

(21:44):
I remember the Brain Droppings book. He had something to
say about Columbus Day or Native Americans.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
And in case you missed that, go to Michael says
go here dot com. I'll have that posted because reasons.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Would that pass?

Speaker 4 (22:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I thought I had it down enough that it would pass.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
No, Michael says, go here dot com. You'll see the
George Carlin video there. So thanks for playing it twice,
meaning I have to cut out two things. Appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Oh is it what control haul highlighted?

Speaker 6 (22:25):
Delete your experience with a you know, Adobe audition from
Friday could take me forever.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Well, true, because that's right, you're on the same version
that I'm over here, right, but the version I'm on
here is like updated like last week.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
So so all.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
The people show up in New York City because all
the Italians, I mean everything is Italian. Here's there are
there are firefighters from all over the country.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
All over the world. They're they're all.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
You know, walking around visiting, and you know, you get
to the Memorial, they're still there at the Memorial Memorial.
It's Columbus Day, and all I can think.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
About is look around, look around at this place, and
we you know.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
The granddaughter commented on, you know, how many different language
languages she had heard, commented about how many different you know,
ethnicities and races that she had seen, and how truly
was a melting pot of everybody from all over the world. Now,
I did try to explain to her that, yes, now,
if everybody that you see, probably you know, eighty percent

(23:36):
of them I just give or take, are living and
working here and the other twenty percent are just passing through,
like we are, just just visiting. But then I asked
about indigenous people's day, and I got the right answer. Well, yeah,
they teach us that it's you know, that he was

(23:59):
originally Colo. Well what they really do is they just
teach the version of.

Speaker 7 (24:05):
It is an honor, of course, to be with you
this week as we celebrate Indigenous People's Day, as we
speak truth about our nation's history.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
How about we speak the truth is just about every
nation's history. How do we just teach the truth about
the nature of man and what we've done since man
was put on this earth. How about we just teach
that it's all been about dominion, conquering, taking over. And

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as Carlon points out, there really are no natives except
maybe along that part of the eastern side of Africa.
There might be some really original native people there, but
otherwise we're all from somewhere else. Wherever you're from. I mean,
think about just what the Romans did. Think about what

(25:01):
Napoleon did, just taking over, you know, all parts of Europe.
Everybody came from somewhere else. Think about just all of
Asia and the Huns and good grease.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
Since nineteen thirty four, every October, the United States has
recognized the voyage of the European explorers who first landed
on the shores of the Americas. But that is not
the whole story. That has never been the whole story.

(25:32):
Those explorers ushered in a wave of devastation for tribal nations,
perpetrating violence, stealing land.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Wait a minute, perpetrating violence and stealing land. Does she
know that that's what the Indians themselves did in order
to establish their areas, to establish their little tribal locations.
Does she understand that?

Speaker 7 (25:58):
And spreading disease?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, so everybody else. Disease was rampant.

Speaker 7 (26:06):
We must not shy away from this shameful past, and
we must shed light on it and do everything we
can to address the impact of the past on Native
communities today.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Oh, I think what we ought to do is just
discuss the impact that the US government had on the tribes.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
How about that? And we still celebrate Columbus Day.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
I wonder why they're upset about Columbus Day when her
comparison is exactly what's happening with illegal immigration today. Yeh,
there's no outrage.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So I'm going to pose a question to you because
I really don't know what I think about it. Yet
the law, your brain and me keeps flipping back and forth.
So two things have occurred over the past maybe two weeks.
The Department of Justice reached out to Apple Court and

(27:12):
asked Apple Corporation to remove an app on from the
app store which was called ICE Box, Immigration's Customs Enforcement Box.
It was designed by some knucklehead to track where ICE
was operating, and I didn't have a lot of downloads.

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It wasn't, like, you know, one of the most popular apps.
But nonetheless it was an application that allowed you to
see in here where ICE was operating. So if you
wanted to go protest, you could go protest. Facebook has
since done almost the same thing at the request of

(27:56):
the Department of Justice. Facebook has the same I did that. Oh,
we got asked to.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Where was that? What was the name of the group?
I thought I had?

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Oh, Ice Sighting Chicago Land was the name of the group. Now,
both of these are part of this online trend in
online efforts to undermine immigration enforcement. Now in context, DHS
reports that attacks on ICE personnel have risen by more

(28:34):
than one thousand percent. There's both doxing attempts and physical assaults.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
So was it wrong?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Was it wrong for DJ to ask these private companies
to remove these groups and that app from their platforms,
And if so, why if it's not okay for us

(29:03):
to know where ICE is operating because the apps themselves
and the groups themselves were agnostic. Now, you could argue
that they designed them because they wanted people to use
them to go find out where they were, But knowing
where they are doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to

(29:25):
attack them. Then you think about Denver. Have you thought
about Denver? You can't listen to Denver police scanners because
the Denver Police Department has encrypted radio communications and online
feeds are no longer available. Now there's some surrounding counties
and some smaller agencies in the metro area that still

(29:46):
have channels that you can monitor, but the primary Denver
Police Department Fire Department transmissions are encrypted. Well, why can't
we listen to those? Why can't we find out what
activity they are engaged in? And what about signs that
say now I know? Because there's certain rules about you know,
speed cameras or you know red light cameras, red light

(30:09):
camera ahead, you know, speed monitoring ahead? Are you flash
your lights let somebody know that there's a cop sitting
on the side of the road. Should Apple and Facebook
have done this? Should Department of Justice have done it?
Does it implicate First Amendment rights? Just think about it.

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Send me a text, what do you think.