10-17-25 - 8am - Dirty Medical Tools and Waymo Hacked

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael and Dragon. So I went down last night, bought
a car, starving, trying to figure out what I was
going to eat for dinner.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Just I don't know. I had this.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Craving for a Chick fil a chicken sandwich. And then
I remember the whole fry debate and they were not good.
I don't know what they did, but it ain't good.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Try again, See how amazing our influences on people.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, we caused at least two people me included to
did chick fil A yesterday?

Speaker 4 (00:33):
And of course the thing, the sad thing is we
only hear from her when she calls in to grip
about fries. Nothing like, oh I miss you guys. You
know I missed the girls, I missed the dogs. You
know you were a lousy tipper. But nonetheless I still
like taking care of your dog. None of that, none
of that note at all. No, just oh you know,

(00:53):
I had an odd, you know, subliminal desire for you know,
Chick fil A, see kick fl A, MacDonald's, Taco Bell,
all these places. They should be sponsoring this program. Crumble weed,
grumble cookies. We drive business, We drive business, We do business.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, if you're interested in advertising, Michael Brown at I
Heart Media dot com dot com and.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'll let you get you a good salesman. Do we
have any good salesman left in ie? Joel's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
It was weird seeing Joel over there just a second ago.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
He was in a regular T shirt. That's not Joel's uniform.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Joel just normally dresses to the nines every day.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
It was like T shirt and did you just roll
out of bed right? Weird? You looked like us. I
didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Did see him at the Broncos game, the first Broncos
game of the season. I honestly I did not recognize
him because he was wearing regular clothes, shirt and jeans.
It's like comment, everybody's got their uniform around your eye.
I've got my shorts and funny shirts. You've got your
white button down untucked and jeans, and Joel's got the
nines and no, you can't beat It'd be like if

(02:03):
I showed up been a suit.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
D I'm better now, do you feel better?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
I've been thinking about starting to tuck my shirts back in.
Why I don't know what you why? Why was that
your reaction?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
There's nothing wrong with the way I mean because it's
so you now, so why change it?

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well, because earlier that was so me then, so it
could be me then again. But the white Shirts.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Aren't going away, right of course. Yeah, that's not gonna
go away.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
The University of Colorado Hospital and Shoots is one of
the highest ranked hospitals. In fact, it is ranked as
the number one hospital in Colorado for the fourteenth consecutive
year and is recognized nationally as one of the best

(02:56):
hospitals in the United States according to US News and
World Report, which is always doing all those rankings of
universities and things. It is nationally ranked in four adult
specialties pulmonology, lung surgery obviously in cooperation with National Jewish
Cancer the diabetes at interracinology, and obgyn.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
It is consistently listed.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
As a high performing hospital in treatments for acute kidney failure, stroke,
heart arrhythmias, heart failures, spinal fusion, hip fractures, and in
a broader scope u see Health. University of Colorado Hospital
is among the top performing academic hospitals, frequently mentioned in
Best in State Hospital list again according to rankings and Newsweek.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Now.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Compared to other places in the metro area. You see,
Denver is the number one, but you still and it
ranks above like Inner Mountain Health, Saint Joe HCA Health one.
It's repeated recognition includes acknowledgment by different you know, ranking

(04:10):
organizations and different institutions that rank and study hospitals. It's
and because my son obviously as a professor or a
doctor out there, it's not gonna stop me from telling
you what I'm going to tell you. I find this
mind boggling based upon their ranking, and it shows that. Now,

(04:37):
let's be honest. You see, Health Colorado is like public schools.
We refer to public schools, I think erroneously as public schools.
We should refer to them as government schools. You see health,
University of Colorado Hospital in Aurora is a government hospital.

(05:02):
State health inspectors force you see health to halt most
surgeries this summer after discovering hundreds, if not thousands, of
surgical instruments contaminated with dried blood and tissue in the
sterile processing department. Now I want to make clear, not

(05:22):
in the o rs themselves, So not in this sterile
area I'm talking about. You know, Dragon goes in because
Dragon was too busy eating his fries and his Chick
fil a driving down the interstate, you know, a Parker
Road or whatever at one hundred and eighty miles an
hour because he was too busy shoving the food in
his mouth, and he ran and he drove into a
telephone pole. So they pick him up, they take him

(05:44):
to you see health, They start putting all his guts
back in. They can't find the brain, but they didn't
make any difference. They just leave that out anyway, and
they start sewing them all up. And then you know,
they got all of the blood and the guts and
everything else, and all the instruments, and so that you know,
the doctor's rip off their gloves. They throw all the
instruments on the silver tray, the you know, the steel tray,

(06:06):
and then they wheeled down to the to the plex
for it to be sterilized, so that when I go
to Togo Bell and I fart in the car and
I pass out and I drive into the poll that
they can use those same instruments, you know, to put
me back together. But they don't do that. And I
don't know why I'm laughing, because this is a serious,

(06:27):
this is.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
An f up. I mean they really, this is horrible.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
The Coluada Department of Public Health and Environment suspended operations
at U See campus after an unannounced inspection this last July. Now,
I don't know why we're just now hearing about it.
I first saw this story last night, and that's when
I started dating.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, kay, you said July July chucks calendar. Yes it's October.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Wow, that's so for.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Some reason, nobody wanted to report. Now I may be wrong,
but I found only one local source. Now, you may,
your mileage may vary, you might find some other sources.
But last night I finally only found one local source,
which is why I then started digging into Lexus and
Texas to see if I could find other sources. So

(07:18):
here's what happened. The Conraido Department of Public Health and
Environment CDPH, the same ones that want.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
To you know, get rid of I want to get
rid of CO two.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
They did an unannounced inspection in July this past summer.
That inspection revealed severe sterilization failures. The inspectors responding to
a formal complaint. Hmmm, so we have a whistleblower. Can
I just say to whoever that whistleblower is out there.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
This is what people should be. You did the right thing,
but somebody needs it, and not you, the whistleblower, but
somebody needs to be the discipline. We'll get to that
in a minute. Responding to this formal complaint, they documented
seventeen stainless steel carts, each of those stacked with eleven

(08:14):
to thirty trays of dirty instruments. So imagine you have
a steel cart. Imagine something we would be something similar
like you know, at a donut store or crumble cookies
for someplace where they pull stuff out and they put
them on the you know, they put the different trays
on the carts so they can wheel it around, So

(08:35):
imagine that. So they found seventeen of those kinds of carts,
each stacked with eleven to thirty trays of dirty instruments.
Then they found additional carts. I don't know why I'm
laughing about this except it's just so in it's surreal.

(08:55):
They found additional carts filled with unwashed tools near the
operating rooms. So the state officials that I got to
give the inspectors, as much as I despise the kind
of Department of Health and environment, mainly for their environmental
climate change bull crap. They immediately classified the findings as

(09:18):
an immediate jeopardy violation. That is the highest severity level
used because it means patients face imminent risk of harm.
Of course, duh. We just operated on Dragon red Beard.
We let all the blood and guts and everything else
that came out of him dry on the instruments, and

(09:39):
then we just wheeled and put.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
It over to the side.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
And then you could have I mean it didn't, but
you could have had, you know, someone just accidentally. Oh,
surely a doctor would notice you ever pick up surely
you've done this. You've gone to a restaurant and you've
picked up a spoon or a fork or a knife,
and there's like a water mark on it because the

(10:04):
water didn't get completely dried off.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
So it's got I look at that, and I won't
use that.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
I won't even use that because that tells me that
something in the water. Maybe you know better from subway,
but something in the in the washing process you didn't
exactly dry it right or something. But I'll send it back.
I'll point out, look, there's a there's a water mark
on here. I'm not gonna use it.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, that's a big pet peeve. Missus redbeard sho will
open up the napkin bundle with the supper inside, and
she looks at Nope, Nope.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Not touching this one. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's just how it is dried, and I know, I knows. Example,
if you don't put them upside down, it'll pool that
little bit of water and it'll dry.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
And it's just because they weren't put upside down probably
most likely. Yeah, oh okay, I'm still not gonna use them. Yep, okay,
all right.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Anyway, so this is the highest severity level used because
the patient face face a.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Minute, I'm at risk of heart.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
You see, Health halted non emergency or elective surgeries for
a full week in July. Now, emergency and urgent procedures
continued at a reduced capacity. In other words, unit as
taxpayers didn't get the full benefit of a hospital we're

(11:26):
paying for.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Because of this.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Mistake, thousands thousands of instruments that were waiting cleaning were
exposed to air. They were visibly contaminated. Now, the shutdown
primarily affected operating rooms at the university's tower on the
end Shoots Campus. That's one of the highest volume surgical
centers in the entire state of Colorado. Now, CDPH the

(11:53):
kind of department Health and Environment they determined the problems
stemmed from an overwhelmed sterile processing department. Those are the
people that you know, once the surgery's done, the instruments
are put on the cart, those carts get collected, they
get taken on a service elevator, you know, down below

(12:13):
the o RS and that's where they go through the
immaculate process of sterilizing everything. Because what's the number one
danger in going were you most likely to get sick
in a hospital?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
From what?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
Infections? So that's why they have such an immaculate and
such a very what's the word, I'm looking for, a
very meticulate process by which all these instrument instruments are sterilized.
Why did this occur? I found a quote from a spokesperson,

(12:54):
Kelly Christensen said that the sterile processing department was quote
working at reduced capacity, forcing postponements or relocation of elective surgeries. Okay,
why Well, the combination of understaffing, an increased workload, lousy

(13:14):
or poor oversight led to hundreds and thousands of instruments
being left unclean. The regulators required the department to implement
both immediate corrective measures and long term in a long
term compliance plan to prevent recurrence. Now, while the state
found no confirmed patient infections or injuries, it obviously caused

(13:39):
a widespread disruption to patient care and put a financial
strain on the hospital. Now they verified, they the department
verified that they had regained full compliance. Now, remember they
found this in July. They regained full compliance by September,

(13:59):
and that's when they allowed surgeries to resume. Now, the
broader context is this. Now, they've had similar contamination problems
at other hospitals. But why here, Why did this happen? Well,
the government, the state and shoots the hospital decided to

(14:25):
expand THEIRR facilities. It's right, number one, people prefer to
go there. It is indeed a great place. But you
increase the number of sterile o rs. You increase the

(14:46):
number and the amount and the you know, the the
conveyor belt of surgeries that occur. But you don't increase
the sterilization department. You don't bring on additional personnel. Now,
in one story in the Colorado's Son, it said that

(15:08):
someone told them anonymously that a provost or a vice
president or someone at a high level was aware of
this and didn't do anything about it.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Now, I don't know about you, but we seem to
be demanding and not getting the kind of accountability that
we demand from these public facilities that we pay for.
So why has now and maybe but nobody's reported on
it yet. Maybe that provost or vice president or whomever

(15:48):
it is that was in charge of this that was
aware of it and did nothing. Maybe they'd been suspended
with or without pay for a while, Maybe they'd been demoted.
Maybe they got a ride up, you know, maybe they
got a call from the HR department and they sat
down and said, shame on, you don't do it again.
Did anything happen? All I want to know is what,

(16:10):
if anything happened?

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Now?

Speaker 4 (16:14):
State officials emphasize that these cases, while rare, highlight the
vulnerabilities and hospital sterilization systems, especially as hospitals expand capacity
but failed to match it with staffing and safety oversight.
That's according to Denver Gaze. Now let me tell you
that again, it's rare, but it's a recognize the Department

(16:41):
of Health and Environment recognizes this as one of the
vulnerabilities when hospitals expand capacity and don't match staffing in
safety oversight. Why did it take so If the car
Department of Health and Environment knows that this is a vulnerability,

(17:01):
and they know that CU and shoots is expanding the
number of oars so they can expand the number of
procedures they do, isn't the government oversight also at fault?
So isn't this a complete failure of the system. And
but for a whistleblower, how much longer would have taken

(17:23):
CDPH to know about this?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
And where's that?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
In terms of that Vice president at provosts he were
sleeping the switch too. Everybody's asleep with a switch. Fortunately
no one was harmed in this ineptitude.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Michael, preemptive talk back, no cackle and Camela I remember some.

Speaker 6 (17:49):
People say she's the most qualified.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Person to ever run for president. Well she is.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
And while I will not do a camel a cackle
just so that you understand that she's not gone away
yet yet.

Speaker 6 (18:07):
They've coined climate anxiety. They're experiencing them what they've coined
climate anxiety, which is their fear that because of changing
in extreme weather that the future of their lives is
very much at sake. My goddaughter, who's a junior in
college right now, is crying to me just two days ago,

(18:29):
worried about what is the world going to be for me? Auntie?

Speaker 2 (18:33):
She said, when I want to have kids?

Speaker 6 (18:36):
Should I even be thinking about having children? That's on
top of unaffordable. You know, not for her, but for
so many in that generation. They don't aspire to own
a home. They don't believe us within their reach.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
Gen Z's afraid to have kids because of climate anxiety.
Do you think her god daughter really came to her
crying as.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
The anti Kama? What what shall I do? When should
I have a child? When shall I not have a child?
Will they be as smart as you?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
It feels like the thing that you do when you're
like five or six years old and you realize I'm
gonna die one of these My mom and dad are
gonna die with You're a child, you're five or six
years old. Yes, while that is true, but that's not
gonna happen for a time.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Why you can't before you get to be my age
and you start realizing, ooh today could be today.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Here's hoping what bad bad, A screening joke, whatever, I'm
sure it was awful. Whatever it was, I have to
go back and listen. No, I don't listen to the podcast.
I'm not gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Remember yesterday were talking about the United Nations Digital ID
and and I was being totally irrational about how imagine
who has access to all that info and that it
could be you used against you and you know subject
cyber attacks. Well, a major cyber incident recently struck Los Angeles,

(20:08):
involving the technology and transportation company Weimo. The incident exposes
the vulnerabilities in autonomous vehicle systems, It raises questions about
urban cyber safety, and it should spark some debate about
the future of smart city deployments because going back to

(20:29):
to Kamala's point, they're all worried about climate change and
they want to create these fifteen minute cities where you
just you know, everything's within fifteen minutes, so you don't
need a car, you don't need to own anything, and
in fact, you just you know, push up, push up
on your on your on an app, the car shows up,
takes you wherever you want to go, and just you know,

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reappears when you want to leave. This took place in
Beverly Grove, a neighborhood in Los Angeles, UH during the
early morning hours between three thirty five in the morning
and four o'clock on a Saturday. Law enforcement had gotten
multiple calls regarding a large group somewhere between fifteen one
hundred people gathered at the intersection of Los Cienaa Boulevard

(21:13):
in West third Street because they were going to do
one of these street takeovers. During the chaos, the crowd
targeted and vandalized Awaimo Robotaxi, one of those self driving
vehicles that operates without a human being in it. Video
footage showed bystanders tearing off a passenger door, shattering the windows,

(21:34):
flattening attire, and then standing on top of the vehicle.
No injuries were reported, and of course, of course we've
got video, we've got the local television stations covering it.
We have vandalizing occurring, but no arrests were made. Now
a vandalism report was filed WOW and detectives began investigating

(21:59):
the motives and organization behind the event, but as of
most latest reporting, WAYMO said it was cooperating with law
enforcement agencies and reviewing the breach to somehow strengthen their
safety protocols. So the primary target was Weimo. They're they're
the one of the In fact, I think Weymo Beak

(22:19):
may be coming to Denver. I'm not sure, but it's
it's the leading AI kind of taxi services. It's the
AI uber, if you will. Now, the perpetrators appear to
be just participants in a street takeover, which is obviously
an illicit gathering, often organized via social media and messaging apps,

(22:39):
so they can have drag races and do stunts and
do all of that. They you know, they still occur
upon well maybe they don't occur in Colfax anymore because
the construction, But I've been walking down Colfax going to
you know, going to Baston's East Steak when I've watched
one of those occur. It really is kind of frightening
because you never know when something's going to happen. Somebody's
gonna have an accident. It'd be like standing on the

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on the rail at you know some sort of you know,
at the ND five hundred for example, just waiting for
the crash to come over the wall and hit you.
But Here's what was interesting, at least for me. The
attack centered on not just the physical but also on
the digital vulnerability of these driverless cars. During the street party,

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the way More vehicle had stopped at a red light
when it got surrounded and assaulted. Social media posts and
the local news stories highlighted that during this incident, the
vehicles remote operators, the or the AI driven safety protocols

(23:45):
did not prevent the damage. So that obviously raises questions
about how these systems cope with mass disruptions and coordinated
hacking attempts or digital interference. Now, the initial rumor suggested
that cyber hacking might have disabled the vehicle before it

(24:06):
was physically attacked. But investigators call me skeptical, say, there's
no direct evidence of remote hacking. Okay, well, is there
evidence of indirect hacking? And perhaps WAIMO doesn't want you

(24:27):
to report, So where would you go? Do you think,
let me just do a couple of what ifs here?
Do you think a detective with the Los Angeles Police
Department has the capacity? I don't mean this derogatorily, I'm
just as a practical matter. Do you think when they're

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conducting an investigation, do you think they have the wherewithal
whatever that might be, the tools, the brain power that
the knowledge, the abilities that the knowledge skills and ability
the KSAs to figure out whether or not there was
a cyber attack that disabled the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't think they do.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
And I think that perhaps that these people that organize
all these street things by doing the you know, all
the social media apps, that perhaps they or someone in
the know with this group disabled to vehicle so it
could be attacked. Now for the street takeover gain bangers,

(25:36):
vandalizing a robotaxi represents an active rebellion. It's a digital protest.
It's an opportunistic mischief against a highly visible AI technology
that is penetrating our daily lives. So as we kind
of go forward and keep going down more AI driven technologies,

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is there.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Going to be a rebellion? Now.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I'm not going to rebel against most of it, because
I think most of it can be used for good.
But I'm not going to be a part of some
organization that's going to go out there and try to
do the disruption. However, I do sincerely believe that there
will be groups that are so you know, they're.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
They're they're.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
They're anti technologists. They're they're there Unibomber, They're there, ted
cazentsk eat like individuals that are opposed to this, these
advances in technology, and they see it as a threat
to humanity.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
So what are they going to do.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
They're going to start doing cyber attacks, They're going to
start doing all sorts of things that whatever they can
do to create chaos, which raises the question, what is
either the government or these technology companies doing to ensure

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our safety. Every time I see someone driving a self
driving Tesla, I think to myself, hmm, it's like seeing
someone that's maybe a little sleepy, or maybe a little
drunk or little whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Not paying attention, or are they're on their phone. What
do I do?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I try to get around them as quickly as far
away as I can and move on because I never
know when they're going to start crossing the line, or
when they're going to lose control of the car, or
when someone's going to attack the car. Call me paranoid
or just call me practical. I don't care which one,
but I want to avoid that. Now, with this occurring
in Los Angeles, it makes me raise the question even further,

(27:45):
what about the anti technology groups out there, or what
about non state actors that just want to create chaos? Hmm,
and we expect the government or the tech companies themselves
to protect us from that. You probably like Chick fil

(28:08):
a fries.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
Hey, Michael, I'm not an attorney, nor do I play
one on the radio. But could we fund the government
in sections such as vote to like fund the military
and force the Democrats to vote on that and then
vote to fund different sections of the continuing resolution? Or
does it have to be an all or nothing bill?

(28:31):
Just curious?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
You sound like someone I know? Do I know you?

Speaker 4 (28:35):
You sound familiar anyway? The answer is yes, yes, And
so that's what Trump and the Republicans were trying to
do with regard to the military. Hey, let's just pass
a continuing resolution to fund the Pentagon. Oh no, Democrats
wouldn't even do that, so they won't get their paychecks

(28:57):
until later. Now that may have changed since yesterday. I
haven't really paid much attention to the news this morning.
But yes, we could do that too. Ough shut down
so stupid. Speaking is stupid. There was a decision by
the British cops to ban Israeli Jews.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
That these are.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Jews either coming from Israel or in the UK. They
can't go to a game in Birmingham because the Maccabi
tel Avis soccer team is playing there. Now, you know,
getting from Israel to Birmingham is not that big of
a deal, or from London to Birmingham's not.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
That big of a deal.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
And in fact, several Muslim members of Parliament want to
see a general ban on Israeli Jews from participating in
the Europa League writ large. Why because the West Midlands
Police believe they cannot guarantee the safety of Jewish fans
in England's second largest city, which just happens to be

(30:05):
home to a large Muslim population which is mostly of
Pakistani origin.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
This apartheid South Africa, huh.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
In fact, that's what one of these Muslim members of
Parliament said. Apartheid South Africa was banned from the Olympics
for thirty two years. The same people would called Nelson
Mandela terras now say we can't boycott apartheid Israel. They
were on the wrong side of history then and they're
on the wrong side of history now. You don't have
normal relations with genocide and apartheid. Boycott, devestment and sanctions

(30:41):
until Palestine is free. So the cops capitulated. Wait a minute,
isn't that the same of us as a heckler's veto?
Now in this country, that's unlawful. That's a violation of
the First Amendment. Now I know the United Kingdom's Kingdom
is different, but it is analogous because it is a
heckler's veto. Hey, we can't guarantee your safety, so we're

(31:04):
just going to say you can't come.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Pretty antismitic because that is saying to the Muslims who
are threatening the violence, Okay, okay, well we'll not do it.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
You can.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
You jew stay home. This is how insane, utterly insane
anti Semitism is giving. And I think that's a part
and parcel of this tyranny that is spreading around the world.
When when the home of the Magnet Carta is telling
Israeli Jews, particularly from Tel Aviv, that you can't come

(31:43):
to Birmingham because, oh, the Muslims here don't want you. Wow,
that's basically saying to all of those who want to
commit violence, who threaten violence, who text or say things
that are violent, Oh, like the Democrats do all the time.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
They're winning. They the people who advocate violence, are winning.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
At what point do we say no, not gonna happen.