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October 22, 2025 • 33 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Did you just say that a company is going to
support a nuclear power plant and that will keep another
power plant alive for a whole other generation.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Oh, I love that pun.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Good job, buddy, apparently made a pun and didn't even
know it, but he caught onto it, So you're clever
because of it.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Did you catch the punt? I don't get too, hone,
Sure it didn't. You don't get it either. No, I
don't get it either.

Speaker 5 (00:29):
He is, and he thought it was funny, soul.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Great, Yeah, fantastic. It was all planned. I had a
script of that right here.

Speaker 6 (00:38):
Right that scripted that right on my laptop.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I I'm really kind of amazed at the negativity towards
this story.

Speaker 6 (00:50):
So maybe, although I'm really convinced that.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
You if you've listened to this program for any length
of time, you know how I feel about Google and Meta,
about companies that come in and lie about what they're
going to do and not.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
Going to do.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
But you've also heard me complain about ignorant people that
go out and bitch a moan about things that they
don't truly understand, and because they just don't understand it,
then they're opposed to it. And you know how I
feel about our national security. I want the American world

(01:34):
order to remain in place. I want us to be
the world's superpower. I don't give a crap about uh.
I mean I do give a crap about China and
Russia and for that matter, of the European Union or India,
and I want us to be ahead of them because
the world is changing. To Kathleen's point about creative destruction,

(02:00):
we are moving into a new phased economy where it's
going to have an effect on our everyday lives, and
it's going to have an effect on our national security.
Let's address the national security idea first. Artificial intelligence, cloud computing,
advanced analytics, quantum computing, all of that all rely on

(02:24):
data center infrastructure.

Speaker 6 (02:26):
Every bit of it does.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
And in my opinion, those facilities are the digital equivalent
of a naval shipyard. It's the equivalent of the interstate
highway system. Because without those, Without all of those, the shipyards,
the interstate highway system, and AI, cloud computing, advanced analytics,

(02:51):
quantum computing, without any of those, we cannot maintain our
technological edge against China, nor can we safeguard our our
own critical information systems. Go back to the Biden administration
from it, the Biden administration purposely delayed permitting, and then

(03:12):
you couple their delay in permitting with local ignorant obstruction
that slowed our domestic capacity expansion for the last four
and a half years. And if that pattern were to
continue cloud workloads, well, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
I cannot empirically tie what happened over night before last
with the collapse of the Internet through Amazon Web Services
and others. But the more we become I mean, what
do you want to do. Do you want to start
going backwards or do you want to move for forward?

(04:01):
Because I guarante nt the rest of the world is
moving forward. And Biden's already put us behind the eight ball,
so to speak, and now we've got a leap frog ahead.
So whether you like it or not, we've got to
do this. When he delays expansion for the last four
and a half years, and if that pattern we're to continue,

(04:24):
that means that all of the cloud workloads, all of
the data center, all all of the analytics that takes
place now will migrate overseas to countries that are actually
willing to host them. I don't want my stuff hosted
in India. I don't want hosted in in a country
controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. I want to hear.

(04:47):
That means that sensitive data, everything from defense logistics to
AI research, would be running on foreign servers, and that
would mean that this country's security, you would be compromised,
not by espionage, although they would engage in espionage, well

(05:08):
not even they wouldn't even have to technically engage in
espionage because they would control the servers, so they could
just well, let's just make sure that we got one
little wire coming out, so we can just pull out
all the data that the US is using to do
all of their analytics and all their research. It would
be compromised by that kind of espionage and also by

(05:29):
local zoning boards that are afraid of all of the
people that show up because they're being ignorant about what's
really going to happen. So, as I said, there is
a way forward, and that is we need we need
clear education about what drives energy prices and how the
modern data centers operate. And as I said in the

(05:53):
last hour, the hyperscalers, the utility companies ought to engage
early explain the plans offer the transparency that I said,
but then go further and voluntarily insulate yourself from the
local tax paying base. Now I gave what I what

(06:13):
I thought was a stupid example, a stupid example of Okay,
we're going to build a data center, and one way
to offset the increase in the power costs is we're
going to put solar panels in every home in the community.
I think that's a stupid idea. I think the more
logical idea is because even even without the data centers,

(06:37):
all of us need more electricity, and we need to
stabilize rates. We need to stabilize rates by increasing by
one improving. Do you know how much power I don't
have the stats in front of me. Do you know
how much power is generated, say, at a local power plant,

(06:57):
and then is lost as it goes from that baseline
creation through the grid, finally gets to a substation, gets
distributed into your local neighborhood. Probably half of it, I mean,
I'm just guessing right now, but probably half of it
is lost. And a lot of that loss is because

(07:19):
of a crappy grid system, because of a crappy transmission system.
So regardless of whether these data centers come along or
not your power. Your power costs are going to increase
because we have not maintained this infrastructure. Now we have
an opportunity with these data centers to put the pressure

(07:42):
on them to not only upgrade the system, but insulate
ratepayers from the increased costs by bearing those costs yourselves. Now,
quite truthfully, economically, we know that even if the data
centers themselves absorbed those additional costs, those costs are going

(08:07):
to be eventually spread out based on whatever that data
center does. But if it's for national security, we be
paying for that anyway. As I said, Google worked with
Nevada's in the energy they created a special tariff that
if under renewable generation without raising rates for anybody else.

(08:29):
I said earlier. Meta did the same thing in Oregon
by contracting for geo thermal power under structure that shielded
customers from those costs. Amazon's deal in Pennsylvania will keep
an existing power plant alive for another generation, that sustains
the local jobs, that stabilizes the rates. That demonstrates that
they're willing to do this. Why because they're the builders

(08:53):
of the next generation of American energy infrastructure and they
know it, and because they need it, and quite frankly,
we need it. But here's where I think that everybody
just expects this to happen on its own. Policymakers have

(09:15):
a role in this too. Regulators ought to in every state,
the regulators ought to update outdated rate models that treat
high capacity users as burdens rather than partners. In other words,
if you got a high capacity user, then that high

(09:39):
capacity user ought to absorb some of those costs. Now
I know those costs will eventually get passed on, you know,
let me take it down to a very simple example.
When when when I was on a city council in Oklahoma,
when I was the city council and in Edmund it
was it was one of the fastest girl cities in

(10:00):
the country. And we said to the developers, if you
want to take this raw land over here and you
want to develop, then you're gonna pay for the infrastructure.

Speaker 6 (10:12):
You're gonna pay for the.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Roads, you're gonna pay for the curbs, you're gonna pay
for the water extension, you're gonna pay for the power extension.
You're going to be on our own power distribution systems.
You're gonna pay for all of that. Now we know
We're not ignorant. We know that those costs go into
all of their costs for developing that section of land,

(10:36):
so that when they start developing that land, those costs
will be recouped. I understand that. But that kept all
that front end costs off those ratepayers all throughout the area,
which meant that the people that built a house in
that development, they absorbed those costs. In other words, the

(10:58):
users absorbed the cost. But I want you to think
about the alternaty. Let's go negative for a minute. Microsoft
has already canceled the Wisconsin project because of the local protests.
Google abandoned a campus in Indiana because residents there were
misled about water and power demands. And all these small

(11:20):
but vocal movements are now targeting similar projects in Virginia,
North Carolina, Arizona. And if that trend continues, it's going
to choke off the computing backbone of this America's AI revolution.
The irony is that these same communities are they going
to start bitching about losing manufacturing or service jobs to

(11:41):
regions that embraced digital infrastructure. So what they and I
think some of you perceive as corporate intrusion is in
truth the modern equivalent of the railroad or the interstate
highway system. It is the creative destruction that Kathleen was
talking about. We're just happen to be in the midst

(12:04):
of it. So don't be the Neanderthals that say, oh,
I'm gonna pose it because my rate's gonna.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
Go up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Well, if you don't want your rate to go up
a little bit, then get off your fat ass and
go down to the Public Utilities Commission and demand that
instead that the people that are going to cause the
rate increase, that.

Speaker 6 (12:22):
They absorb that rate increase.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Those who block what's going on right now are not
protecting our way of life. They are ensuring that we
become a second rate country. They're ensuring that we become
the United Kingdom. They're ensuring that China will lead in
this process. I don't want China to become the world's superpower?
Do you really want? Look, Russia is not. Of course

(12:50):
Russia is a threat, but Russia is not the threat
that China is. With billions of people run by a
horrific comony. This party, a communist party that the current
chairman of assuming survives this week, is as bad or
worse than now. I don't want them leading the world

(13:14):
and dictating the world order. I want the freedom and
liberty and the constitutional order that we show the rest
of the world can work. I want us to be
that power. So all of these stakes are a lot
higher than the local zoning disputes going on. The lesson
is really clear here, misinformation short term politics is not

(13:39):
a substitute for informed planning and a national vision. I'm
telling you, communities that welcome data centers are going to
eventually find themselves to be the wealthier, more resilient, and
the better connected communities than those that just reflexively.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
Say oh no, no, no, my right, you're.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Going to go up.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
But I don't want this. Get a choice before us.
The choice before us is whether we're going to leave
the digital age or we're gonna fear the digital age.
If we can continue to let fear and rumor dictate
infrastructure policy, we're going to surrender the very advantage that
made this nation a technological superpower in the first place.

(14:21):
It is indeed creating destruction. We just happen to be
living in the midst of it. And you know what
I think else is going on? I think we've become
so dumb, fat and lazy that we just assume that
it's just going to have to be this way that
a you know, in fact, somebody mentioned on the text

(14:42):
line Sorry, I'm not going to go look and give
you a number out, but somebody mentioned that they're in
the HVAC system, and that you would be amazed at
the number of small local data centers that exist already
around you. In fact, you ought to go drive around
Centennial Airport right now and look at the buildings that
the script buildings, or they're really nice looking office buildings,

(15:03):
but you really can't see them. Oh yeah, those are
data centers. They're already here, and what we need to
do is to recognize that as they expand, they're transforming
our lives, not only individually and not only where we live,
but they're transforming this country. And they're transforming this country

(15:24):
into the digital age, which is absolutely necessary for us
to maintain our superpower status. So, yeah, some jobs are
going to be lost, but in doing so, going back
to Kathleen's example, all the blacksmiths, not all of them
lost their jobs, but what happened new jobs were created.

(15:48):
Oh now you needed tires, you needed wheels, you needed oh,
all the infrastructure that provides all of the filling stations.
It was kind of interesting, just as my granddaughter, while
we were in midtown Manhattan, you know, she's a new driver,
was like, we're all the gas stations and I said, well,

(16:11):
interestingly enough, there are a few gas stations in Manhattan,
but you have to look really closely to fine them.
They tend to be on the outer edges, like over
on the West Side, on the West Side Highway, you'll
see someone and they're usually near the bridges of the
tunnels because people do need to fill up with gas
before they either come into or leave Manhattan, so they

(16:32):
are there. It's just that she's used to a place
where there's, you know, a gas station on every corner.
The destructive, the creative destruction that's going to happen because
of this is a good thing and we shouldn't fear it.
And what we should do is we should recognize that
if you if you want to have some influence over

(16:53):
what the electrical rates are going to be, then you
got to get off your ass and go to the
Public Utilities Commission. You got to get involved, but not
reflexively oppose it because you hear horror stories about electric
prices increasing elsewhere.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
We've got so.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Many things going on right now simultaneously that affect power costs.
You've got all the stupid green energy projects that the
bid deministration. The Democrats are trying to force down our throats,
trying to save the climate. At the same time, you've
got miss spending and miss priorities, and you're not working
and making sure that the infrastructure for power is maintained.

(17:36):
You're spending it on other stupid stuff like bike lanes.
Get our priority.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Here, Michael, thank you for bringing up SMRs today. People
do not realize the technology that is available to us
out there.

Speaker 6 (17:50):
It's the only.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Saving grace for cities like Colorado Springs and possibly is
the entire part of Denver. Thanks again, Let's see if
we can get it past good day.

Speaker 6 (18:05):
Dragging. Yes, is he in the hospital?

Speaker 5 (18:10):
Should he be?

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Did you hear then there was a heart monitor in
the background. Listen to that again or did Michael?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Thank you for bringing up SMRs today. People do not
realize the technology that is available to us out there.
It's the only saving grace for cities like Colorado Springs
and possibly the entire part of Denver.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Here.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Thanks again, Let's see if we can get it past
good day.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I didn't hear it until that very end. Yeah, that
would die on us. We'll have to take applications for
new coopers. I know.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Listen, if you're going to die on this. If you're
in the hospital, die, you know you've you've had a stroke, Rocks, Well,
you didn't have a stroke, or at least it didn't
affect a speech, But if you're dying in the hospital,
you need to let us know. We got to get
We've got a pile of applications we got.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
To go through here.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, and I don't want to do all that extra work,
So just just straight up don't die.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
Yeah that's better. Yeah, even better yet, Mats, if you
haven't learned by now, I really don't listen to your talkbacks.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
I listen to all the background noise.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
It's like if I were to walk into your house,
you could be talking to me until I'm blue in
the face. I'm looking around. I'm seeing what's on your bookshelves.
I'm seeing what's on your mantle. I'm looking at your couch,
I'm looking at your dog. I'm looking at everything. Cabinet,
that's right. Can I use your bathroom real quickly? You
might have some drugs in there that I want. Speaking

(19:50):
of clues, so that guy left a clue. I think
sometimes the most important clues get lost in the noise
of everything he goes on around us. This time it's
a slip up by the governor of Illinois. I think
somebody told me that Jesse Water calls him Ribs because

(20:11):
he's kind of he looks like dragon.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
Used to look like he's thick.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
He is thick, but you know.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
When you when you're the heir to the Hyatt Hotel,
you know, empire, you can afford to be fat. And
then his follow on commentary after this slip up really
does kind of indicate that I think the Democrats are
really worried about Trump's Blue city crackdowns for a lot
of other reasons than we initially feared.

Speaker 6 (20:40):
They drone on and on and on.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
About protecting these immigrant communities and have learned about states
rights since federal overreach no longer favors them. And while
the irony is thick, the rampid corruption, I think is
a lot thicker. It reminds me of you. I've got
this great photo of me and Bob Dole together, and

(21:04):
Bob Dole was well. My good friend Andy Lester used
to work for Doe, and Doe worked with me on
some stuff, and so I get this great letter. But
it reminds me when he published a farewell letter to
America in twenty twenty one, it had a really scathing.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
Shot at Chicago.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
He wrote, I also confess that I am a bit
curious to learn if I am correct in thinking that
heaven's going to look a lot like Kansas, and to
see like others who have gone before me, if I
will be able to vote in Chicago when I'm dead,

(21:48):
Will I be able to vote in Chicago? That would
be I think about one hundred and two years old today.
So if he has equipped like that on his way out,
that might be a sign that cheating and corruption have
been generational. Oh, I'm using the word for the guy
that's thinking about the pun. I'm using the word generation again,

(22:09):
except now it's generational in Chicago. Now for any lookers
who will try to troubleshoot this idea, I think we've
already documented election fraud in other stories at other times
on September five, Pritzker went on the briefing with Jen

(22:32):
Saki and peaked out the following statement about current federal
law and immigration efforts in Chicago, and he said this,
we know what this is about, and it's got nothing.
It has nothing to do with fighting crime and it
has Honestly, sending the National Guard in has nothing to
do with immigration either. It what it has to do

(22:54):
with is he's trying to set the stage for interferre.
It's in the elections in twenty twenty six and twenty
twenty eight. Now, I'm kind of wondering, if you're wondering,
why didn't this get more airtime. I think the story
was suppressed by the murder of Charlie Kirk in the

(23:17):
subsequent investigation.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
In all the fallout.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
All happened September five, Less than two weeks after that,
the porker Pritzker gave an interview to Dana to Dash
of Burns. Started to say, Dana dash of Burns for Politico,
and he kind of echoed the same sentiments. He says,

(23:43):
I think it's not very far away from him offering
and providing the military to protect the polling places across America.
But particularly in blue states and blue cities, with the
idea that they could confiscate the ballot boxes if they
think there is fraud in the election. To the mind

(24:05):
of this host, who has been involved in the intel community,
Prince Gere's posturing, I think, tells us three things. First,
Democrats are hedging their bets. Odds makers are continuously downgrading
the odds of Democrats flipping the House, which according to

(24:29):
almost ninety years of electoral history, ought to be a
near certainty.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's all.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
It's true that almost always the party in.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Power, particularly after the very first election, and even more
so after the second election, assuming that president against two terms,
they tend to lose the majorities in the House and
the Senate more than election more than the year before
election day. Now, Democrats are accusing Trump of trying to
steal the elections, which they desperately need to win if

(24:59):
they're going to remain relevant as a political entity. Most
of the blame is dished out over the redistricting circus
going on right now, But now that immigration efforts are
being undertaken expulsion of illegal aliens, the Democrats are creating
a seriously confusing stream of messaging, leading us to the

(25:23):
next logical question. Remember, the first thing is the Democrats
are actually hashing their bets because I think the odds
of the Democrats flipping the House, which should be a
near certainty, Yeah, I'm not convinced it's going to happen
this time, which leads me to the second point.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
Are the illegals voting?

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Now? Something that's that kind of drives me nuts. Of course,
lots of things drove me nuts. Is this claim that
Democrats do win states like California because of the votes
of illegal aliens. I think it's maddening because there is
so much low hanging fruit related to other types of
election corruption. It makes no sense to me that illegal

(26:10):
aliens would risk being caught voting, or risk being caught
by mobilizing to vote in groups, at least in largers,
you know, in numbers large enough to change the major outcomes,
such as in a you know, a statewide race like
for the governor of California. Now I know, don't get
me wrong. I know there have been isolated cases caught

(26:32):
and prosecuted here and there of the illegal aliens voting.
But I do not believe that a significant chunk of
the thirty million or whatever the number is that are
here are actively engaged in casting ballots. What I do
believe is that illegal aliens are voted for. They don't vote.

(26:54):
That people vote for illegal aliens, especially in states that
have automatic voter registration. Just think about California moment where
home state Canada, Kamala Harris lagged Joe Biden by more
than one point eight million votes in California and Trump
barely added to his twenty twenty totals.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
In Illinois.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
It's pretty similar, yet smaller, but it's a similar equation.
Trump gained just over two thousand votes there over his
twenty twenty totals, yet closed the margins substantially. Why Because
Kamala Harris lagged behind Biden by more than four hundred
thousand votes, the Chicago ballot harvesting network wasn't nearly as

(27:46):
engaged for her as it was in twenty twenty for Biden.
Remember how states with almnate voter registration, especially especially when
they shotgun blast mail ballots to either the entire.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
Role universal man in ballot Colorado.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Or in at least massive quantities, giving ballot harversers weeks
in October to get them collected and turned in. Illegals
get on the rolls thanks to automatic voter registration, which
leads me to the third point, which I'll get to next.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Michael, it isn't a heart monitor.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
It's probably his smoke detector.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
That's going off.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I don't know, maybe maybe not, Maybe he is yikes.

Speaker 6 (28:33):
If it is.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
A heart monitor or any sort of monitoring device in
the hospital, that's the kind of goober we like. You're
listening to us in the hospital. That's dedication leaving a
talk back. That's what we call it P one and
that that's why we're very concerned about your health. We
don't want you to die, we don't want you to

(28:56):
be disabled, because we need you.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
We need you out there.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
So that sounded like she was at like a breakfast
diner or something, you know, or a village in what's
for breakfast?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (29:07):
What is for jekifast? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Oh, I'm sure it's that at the Independence Institute. I'm
sure that John had You know, Caldera has a nice
buffet set up for the workers.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
Every month, provides breakfast.

Speaker 6 (29:20):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
You know, he's such a kind hard you know, it's
such a good soul that you know he would be
doing that, except you know what he would do for
them for breakfast.

Speaker 6 (29:29):
It'd be a bar, just drinks, just drinks. It could
just be hard liquors.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Orange juice there somewhere.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
I should there be orange juice somewhere for a right exactly.
So here's the third point, the impenetrable Chicago Fortress. Think
about this. Illinois really was once reliably Republican and presidential elections.
They backed eight of ten Republican presidential candidates between nineteen
fifty two and nineteen nineteen eighty eight. But now, thanks

(30:02):
to the leftward drift and the expansion of urban areas
where you have ballot harvesting, which is apparently what JB.
Pritchecker's all worried about any things, they're going to lose
the midterm elections, and through the rampant corruption, the states
that are dominated by giant urban centers have become largely

(30:22):
unwinnable for Republicans, even if the rural areas are deep red.
You look at Ohio, you look at Colorado too, but
you look at Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, it's the sea a
red and where you see the deep blue, it's the

(30:44):
urban areas Now you take Illinois for example, there are
six Illinois counties that are really part of Chicago Land.
You got Cook which is course Chicago to page Will K.
McHenry in Lake Counties. And when you look at those
Chicago Land, even though the margin dropped in twenty sixteen

(31:06):
and twenty twenty four, the blue votes were respectively one
point three million, one point three million, and then one
point zero million. That's the margin in twenty sixteen through
twenty twenty four. The rest of Illinois three hundred and
sixty six thousand and twenty sixteen for Republicans, three hundred

(31:27):
and sixty eight thousands for republicans in twenty twenty, and
three hundred ninety one thousand republicans in twenty twenty four.
So the overwhelmingly red counties are what I call that
they're just maxed out, meaning they are now depopulating and
they're incapable of getting much redder.

Speaker 6 (31:45):
So the work to do.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Is in the Chicago area, and that does include scaling
up for the potential for Republican votes, but most importantly
ending the corruption that pritzkerg hints at. When you look
at the twenty fourteen Illinois governor race, a three point
nine percent Republican win. I mean, you look at the map. Oh,

(32:10):
there's Cook County. Historical Cook County. It took all one
hundred and one counties in twenty fourteen to squeeze past
Chicago and Cook County to win that Gubernatoil race. So
when the Democrats speak, you really ought to listen because

(32:32):
they kind of give away the playbook that allows them
to entrench themselves in power in some of the most
important states. Pritz Gerville heads spill betray all at once
in his media appearances. Really ought to listen closely and
think about what he says when he's on TV. I
know he's thinking about running for president, but he's given
you a lot of hints about the corruption going on

(32:54):
in places like Illinois.
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It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.

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