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October 4, 2025 • 37 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To night, Michael Brown joins me here the former FEMA
director talk.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Show host Michael Brown. Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a
heck of a job the Weekend with Michael Brown Broadcasting
Life in Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey, so be caon with Michael Brown. Glad to have
you joining the program today. We have rules of engagement
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we obviously I'm part of the media. I'm an employee

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of iHeartMedia and Premier Radio Networks, and as such, we
pay a lot of attention, I mean, not as much
attention as we should be, because the company is really
revenue driven. And what drives revenue well, advertising, and what
drives advertising the ratings that you get from Nielsen. Now,

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all the numbers that we get are proprietary, and obviously
I can't discuss those on air. But because I am
a consumer of media so that I can come on
here and talk about issues, I'm no different than you
in that regard, and I happen to have a and
I'm going to go talk to them because it's just

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you know, I got my bill and I'm thinking this
is outrageous considering what I pay for it. But I
have comcasts, you know, NBC Universal have Comcast which is
called Exfinity their cable package, and I don't know, I've
got either their you know, their Ultimate or their Premium
or whatever it is. It offers more than one hundred
and eighty five channels. One eighty five channels. And then

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you think about all the radio stations across the country,
and of those one hundred and eighty five channels plus
all the radio stations, and then you think about all
of the websites. Then you think about social media and
all the influencers on social media. I mean, there's billions
of people on x probably you know, hundreds of billions
also on Facebook. Where are people getting their news, what

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are they watching, what are they reading, where are they going?
And all that ties back to these numbers that I
want to give you in just a minute. Because of
a stupid exercise, I started going through Now I don't
have well, actually I do have it somewhere. Hang on
a minute. So I started making the list. I'm not
going to tell you now. I left it at home.

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I started making the list of all of the subscriptions
that I pay for. Now I'm talking hundreds of subscriptions,
and it ranges everything from obviously, you know, the Wall
Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, the La Times,
the Denver Post, which, by the way, for those of
you that live in Denver, uh, don't get upset. I

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didn't really give them any money. They had a special
going on for a one year subscription for one dollar.
So I subscribed to the Denver Post for one year
for one dollar and then marked my calendar to be
sure and cancel it, you know, three or four days
prior to the renewal date. So I didn't get charged
the full rate whatever it is, you know, a couple
hundred dollars or something, because it's not worth it. But

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I at least now have access to the liberal newspaper
in in Denver. And I subscribed to the Denver Gazette,
and then lots of substacts, lots of websites that I
pay a premium to get their additional information, the stuff
that's behind the paywall. And so I started making a
list of all of those and when I put them on,

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you know, in a word document, it's front and back,
single spaced, so it must be I don't know, maybe
a couple of hundred. And I start using an artificial
intelligence program to figure out where am I overpaying? How
much am I overpaying? Where could I consolidate? Are there

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any deals that would you know, reduce the cost of
say a subscription to the Los Angeles Times. And as
I started going through all of that, it got me
to thinking about, well, how many people are out there
subscribing to let's just say cable television. There are sixty

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million folks best, and there may be more or less.
This is just one place that I found some stats
sixty million people subscribe to some form of cable TV bundle.
It's always a bundle. You know, you don't want this, this,
and this, but what you really want is just these
two things over here. But to get the two things

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over here, you have to subscribe to the bundle that
gives you, you know, eighty other stations that you don't
really want. One analysis shows that there are about sixty
million people subscribed to and getting most name brand cable
TV networks as part of a TV bundle that they
pay for every single month. And I'll just tell you

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what the bundle that I pay for includes. Now don't
laugh at me when I tell you this, but it
includes a vote, you know, voice over Internet protocol telephone.
Now I don't want that void, but if I take
it out of the bundle, it increases the cost of

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the bundle. So I have this stupid what we call
the home number that nobody ever uses, nobody knows and
I'm not even sure we have a handset for it anywhere.
But it's an extra five or ten dollars a month
if I don't have it in the bundle. I mean,
that's just how stupid these things are. So let's go
back to the sixty million people subscribe to and getting

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most of the name brand cable TV networks as part
of the TV bundle that they pay for every single month.
As I was going to say, my bundle costs I
think about three hundred and thirty five dollars a month
just for the Exfinity. Now, that may seem high to you,
but one reason is because I get the highest available
speeds on the Internet, so that when I'm producing commercials

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or doing the program from home or from the undisclosed location,
I have the best possible Internet connection back to LA
or back to Denver. So yeah, I pay a premium
for that, and that's just you know, that's part of
my business expense. But for the bundles that these sixty
million people pay for, only one, only one, what I

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would describe as a general entertainment network had over four
hundred thousand viewers on a given night. Sixty million people,
and there's one network that has on average four hundred
thousand viewers on a given night. Four of the five
general entertainment cable TV networks had just slightly more than

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only three hundred and fifty thousand viewers during the last
week of September, the latest for which I could get
any sort of Nielsen numbers. Now, that's about zero six
zero point six percent of people paying for cable TV
watching one of the top four rated non sports or
news networks on any given night. And of that zero

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point six percent, the vast majority of those people are
over fifty. They're my age, they're fifty five or over.
And remember the median age for those three big cable
news networks I'm talking about the big three, ABC, NBCBS,
all of their viewers are on their upper sixties. This

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is really a sad record, and it shows how the
media landscape is totally changing. And why if you're not
engaged in talk radio, if you're not engaged in social media,
and you're not engaged in websites, and you're getting your
news from cable television and all those stayed newspapers, most

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of which the don't even have a print edition anymore,
then you're missing out on most of the news. Now,
the folks over at Nielsen are releasing some new weekly
reports with their new big Data plus panel metrics, where
they've changed the metrics by which they garner and calculate
the ratings for television and radio, and it's not breaking news.

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But when you look at where things stand for the
average linear TV audience on cable TV networks in the
final week of September, Wow, the cable bundle has really
become just sports and news. That's it more accurately. If
you went and narrow it down even further, the cable

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TV bundle is just ESPN, the three cable the three
cable news networks, Fox in An, MSNBC, and one lifestyle
network on any given evening, not Monday through Friday, Sunday
through Saturday, for the entire week. Elsewhere, where are the

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viewers and what are they watching? Those numbers Coming up
next to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Text lines open
three three, one zero three, keyword Micha or Michael. Hang time,
I'll be right back. Welcome back to the Weekend with
Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. We're talking
about the changing media landscape and how that affects it. Really,

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the reason I find this fascinating is one, obviously I'm
involved in the business. To you do this in your
daily life. You have cable TV, or you haven't over
the air antenna, or you're subscribing to Hulu or Disney
or Paramount or something or you know, YouTube. You're subscribing
to different things, and it's totally changed the way that
we consume entertainment and news. And if we step back

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and we analyze some of these numbers, then you'll realize that, perhaps,
depending on how you look at it, either the news
is driving the agenda or because of the numbers I'm
going to tell you in a minute, we may be
actually driving the agenda. And I say that because now,

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let's take this program for example. This is this is
a decidedly and unabashedly conservative slash libertarian talk show. I
don't have to go out and seek an audience because
you know, based on what I talk about that, oh,
I'm going to listen to Michael Brown because he talks

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about things, and he talks about things from a perspective
that interests me, so you tune in. So I don't
sit here every day thinking and and I've told my
local audience this. I'm not sure I've ever told you
guys this, But I never come in here thinking about
doing a story because I think that it's going to

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drive ratings or it's going to drive you to listen
longer or to an end next Saturday. And the reason
for that is I don't fake it, and I don't
want to take time to try to fake something that
I'm not interested in to pretend like I'm interested in it.
So I only do things that interest me, because if
I do things that interest me, then obviously you're going

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to either find it interesting or not, and you're either
going to listen or you're not going to listen. And
I know that in radio, an audience turns over all
the time, just like it does on television. How many
of you have worn out your remote control because you're
constantly changing channels, or you're fighting with your spouse, you're
a girlfriend, you're a boyfriend, or whomever, leaving the dog

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over what you're going to be watching. So think about
it in terms of these primetime audience averages, and then
think about the politics in this country in terms of
the news networks. Now, I'm talking about cable right now,
because I'll tell you about the over the air of
the networks in just a second. Let's talk about just

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the cable networks, and let's first talk about news networks.
Fox News leads the pack with two point four to
five million MSNBC is way behind at eight hundred and
fifty three thousand, and CNN's behind that at five hundred
and thirty eight thousand, So the combined MSNBC and CNN

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does not even equal the average evening on any given
time in primetime on Fox News. But remember Fox News
is at two point four to five million. Well, let's
go to sports for a moment, meaning ESPN, because it's
all e ESPN alone is two point seven million, some

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three hundred thousand more than Fox News by itself, and
then Fox Sports averages about sixty two thousand, so they're
way behind. So obviously the dominant the dominant beast in
sports is ESPN. All other cable networks, all the other

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cable shows averaging at least four hundred thousand viewers in primetime.
There's only one HGTV, and that's at four hundred and
ninety two thousand, which is obviously much less than even CNN,
well one hundred thousand less than CNN and forty nine thousand.
So ten percent of the viewers watching HGTV are under

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fifty years old, meaning that ninety percent of they're more
over fifty years old. To see how this landscape is
changing and affecting everything, And so if you're an old
fart like me, but I really encourage you if you
really want to understand and have the same perspective that Now.

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I'm not asking you to believe them, obviously, I'm not
asking you to believe what they believe in. But if
you want to understand the perspective of say, Black Lives
Matter or Antifa, or for that matter, the Democrat Party,
or the Marxist and the Communists and the Socialists and
all of those, you need to get your butt off
Fox News all the time and be looking at MSNBC
or cn CNN or maybe even going over to the Food,

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Hallmark or TLC networks, because that's where the rest of
the audience is. Out of those sixty million, again, zero
point six percent are watching only four top rated and
that's either News and those three channels Sports, the two,

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ESPN and Fox, and then HGTV. Now, if you want
to break it down even further, all the other cable
networks that average at least three hundred and fifty thousand
years in primetime. The Food Network has three hundred eighty
three thousand, Hallmark has three hundred and seventy eight thousand.
TLC has three hundred and sixty seven thousand. That's the
best they can do. You understand why this fascinates me

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because people are going elsewhere, elsewhere to get their news.
So when I tell you, for example, hey, do me
a favor and go follow me over on X at
Michael Brown USA, that's not just because I want to
build up my followers. It's because if you want to
know what I think about a particular news item or

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something that's breaking in the news, the best place to
find that. Since I'm on air for only four hours
Monday through Friday and three hours on Saturday. If you
want to know about what I think about because I
can't possibly cover everything in twenty three hours of radio,
you know, six days a week, it's over on X
And where do you think I go a lot of
times to find out what's the big topic, because I'll

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use an AI platform for example, or I might use
Google Trends to go look and see, you know, what's
most being searched. What's everybody talking about? For the very
sad part of this record, and it is a sad
part of the record, nine networks out of all of

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these that everybody's subscribing to nine networks averaged a primetime number.
It was only somewhere between three and four hundred thousand
viewers at any given time, any given night, seven days
a week, and eighty nine networks averaged less than one
hundred and fifty thousand viewers in prime time. The interesting
those were MTV, free Form, E Paramount, TNT, and v

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H one all fell in that category. You've got to
go to number one thirty nine on the top two
hundred cable network programs to find something that is not
sports or something on Fox News or on MSNBC. To
number one thirty nine, and that's something was The Adventures

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Love Birning movie on Hallmark on a Saturday night. There
were just four other shows on the top two hundred
cable network programs that were not news or sports TLC,
TLC C Ninety Day Finance, TLC, Sister Wives, Disco, Deadliest Catch, TBS,
Big Bang Theory. CNN doesn't even make the top two

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hundred list until well number one eighty nine, and that's
Cassie Hunt Show. The whole purpose of this segment get
out of your cave. Get out of that cave of
cable TV, which I know you already are because you're
listening to this program. But once this program's over and

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you go back to TV network or to the cable networks,
you're got your blind Get the blinders off. I'll be
right back tonight. Michael Brown joins me here, the former
FEMA director of.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Talk show host Michael Brown. Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing
a heck of a job the Weekend with Michael Brown.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Welcome to the Beacon with Michael Brown. Glad to have
you with me. I appreciate you tuning in. If you
like what we do on the weekend. You got to
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Just search for and then set as a presept this
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That way, you can listen live to the program Monday

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through Friday from six to ten Mountain time. Later in
the program, probably at the beginning of the next hour,
we will get to this whole issue about healthcare for
illegal aliens. But as kind of a lead up to that,
I want to talk about something that's going on in
the United Kingdom that has as much to do with
societal control and socialized medicine as it has to do

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with anything else. You know, I have. I've complained, bitch
and moaned about the United Kingdom and how the Home
of the Magnet Carta is just degenerating into this kind
of dystopian place where you can get arrested in the
middle of the night for posting a meme that offends
somebody that you leave. You don't even who the person is,

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or your neighbor that lives, you know, two blocks down
and around the corner, just happens to know that you're
the person that posted a meme, so they call the cops,
and the cops come and knock on the door in
the middle of the night and literally arrest you for
posting something on Facebook or x or some other social
media platform that somebody found offensive. Now, if I were

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to get arrested for everything that I say that somebody
somewhere finds offensive, I'm as well just broadcast full time
from the Colorado State Benediciary because I'm always saying something
offensive to somebody, and quite frankly, I just don't I
don't give a right sass because I come on the program.
As I said earlier, I come on to talk about

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what interests me, to tell you the stories that interest
me and what my perspective on the stories are. And
then you have the opportunity to text me or to
comment on X or whatever. You send me emails, whatever
it is, and trust me, I read all the emails.
I read all the text messages, because sometimes you really
do convince me. For great example is I apparently made

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the comment in the last segment about how you know,
like over on Facebook there must be hundreds of billions
of people, and somebody sent me a text and said,
you know, hate to break it to you, but you
just hand it like Joe Biden. When you said that,
and I thought about it for a second, I thought,
oh damn, they're absolutely right, because there are things. I
think there's like three or four billion people. There's not
hundreds of billions of people. But it did sound like

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Joe Biden. And unlike the Democrats, who if you point
out something, if they say stupid, they get upset about it.
I kind of laugh about it. And I laugh about
it because Okay, you come and sit in this chair
and you do either three hours on a Saturday or
four hours Monday through Friday starting at six o'clock in
the morning. And you'll say some stupid stuff too. And
I'm sure I say stupid stuff, and I'm sure I

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say offensive stuff. But England's taking it. And this is
this is a canary in the coal mine for us
to pay attention to. England has now implemented a ban
on buy one, get one free deals for certain junk
food and certain free soda frefills. Now, just as a parenthetical,

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real quickly, somebody sent me a great article about my
addiction to diet coke and why I have it. And
I read the story and it's really interesting about how
McDonald's has such high standards for their diet coke, which
is probably why I prefer McDonald's diet coke to any
other diet coke anywhere in the world, say maybe Europe.

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Europe has they have cooke Whatt's called a Coca Cola
light and it's really good. So Garrett might have better
chemicals than the United States does. But in that story,
very deep in that story was the McDonald's is getting
ready to sometime over the next I think, I don't
know a few years to get rid of their self
service soda machines, so that you will just get your machine.

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Probably you know, there'll be some robot that will produce
your diet coke for you, and then somehow put it
on a conveyor belt and you'll pick it up from
the counter and that'll be It didn't say anything about
whether you get a free refill or not. But I
tend to if well, I don't really tend to because
I don't go into McDonald's that often, but if I'm
having lunch somewhere and I'm having a diet coke, yeah,

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I tend to get a refiller. Two. This rule in
the United Kingdom applies to grocery stores and all the
other major retailers, as well as online vendors. Now, they've
been discussing these regulations for years. I never really thought
they would do it. It also bans free drink refill promotions
for specific beverages in restaurants and cafes. Now, of course,

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that's caught the attention to social mediu another reason why
while social media may if you don't control it and
you don't know how to use it properly, can be
very poisonous and cancerous, but at least social media users
in the United Kingdom have expressed disbelief at seeing signs
appear on soda machines warning them that quote based on

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new government laws, they are only allowed to refill low
sugar soft drinks, with one asking wtf this country? Yes,
and they posted a picture Coca Cola Classic. It's one
glass only. Based on new government laws, we've had to

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limit Coca Cola Classic to one glass per customer. Still thirsty,
it says, help yourself to any of our low sugar
fizzy bottomless soft drinks. So starting in January, advertising unhealthy
food and drinks some TV before nine pm, it's like,
oh my gosh, we gotta wait till the kids go
to bed will be prohibited, along with any online promotions

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for those products. A Department of Health and Social Care
spokesman call them measures a crucial step toward ensuring that
children have a healthy and happy start in life, quoting
obesity robs children of the best possible start in life,
sets them up for a lifetime of health problems and
costs the National Health Service billions. Oh so that's why

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you're doing it. You're doing it because in socialized medicine,
somebody consumes too many cheeseburgers. Now we already know this
to be a fact. You walk into a hospital in
the National Health Service and you need some life saving
surgery and your obese, or you need bariatric surgery, you
need back surgery, you need some sort of surgery, but

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you're too damn fat. Well, you're gonna get kind of
you're going and he's gonna get pushed over into the
corner somewhere and then you're gonna eventually get set home
and say, yeah, we'll give you the surgery if and
when you lose some weight. Socialized medicine, that's how you
control the population. So the National Health Service has created

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a classification system that supports this advertising ban, and now
it's going to target soda, candy cakes, chocolate and potato
chips coming to a TV station, a radio station, an
online advertisement or to a store sign somewhere near you soon.

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Because once you decide that you're going to pay for
everybody's health care, then those costs are going to just rocket.
And once they rocket, your system is going to start
imploding on itself. And what's one way to reduce costs,

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reduce services? And how do you reduce services. Well, you
tell people that you can't have it because you're too fat.
And by the way, we're not going to let you
start having more than one regular coat because that's too
much sugar for you. You know, I have. In fact,
I had dinner with this friend on Thursday night and

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he's in He's a few years younger than me. He's
in very good health. He's in good shape, does a
lot of manual labor, and he probably drinks, I don't know,
three or four cokes a day. Now, I'm not talking
about day co come and talking about all of the sugar.
I don't know how much. I don't have any grams
of sugars in a regular coat, but I'm sure it's
more than what my doctor wants me to consume, which

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is somewhere between seven and fifteen grams of sugar, you know,
per day, trying to keep it on the lower end.
I bet he consumes thirty forty to fifty grams of
sugar a day. But he's in good health. But that
wouldn't be acceptable. Even if he's in good health, that's
still not acceptable under the National Health Service. So while
they're trying to tell you what you can post, and

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if what you post offend somebody, you can be arrested
for that. Then they're telling you if you want a
regular coke, well you're limited to one because we're trying
to solve obesity. I always thought obesity was either genetic
or is based on individual habits, and those individual habits

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were probably learned in childhood, and that the parents, the
parents were the ones that needed to take care of that.
But we live in a world now where government has
become the parent. We live in a world where the
government is deciding, and it'll come to this country. It

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already is in many ways, it'll come to this country
where we're told, well we can think, well, we can
say how much we can eat and how much we
can drink. If you don't pay attention to what happens
in other parts of the world, because just as in
this country, we often look to say New York or
Illinois or California. And now I hate to say it,

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but now you can watch Colorado too to see how
a blue state starts to overtake your lives. Well, if
you want to see how countries overtake your lives, just
look to the north, to Canada, or look to the
East to the United Kingdom, or look down Under to Australia.
All of those, you know, That's what I pointed out.

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I pointed out three or four countries that are not
tyrannical dictatorships, although they may be on the way. I
didn't point to, say Saudi Arabia. I didn't point to
communist China. I pointed to parliamentarian governments that operate on
some basic principles of democracy but are turning tyrannical. We

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need to pay attention to what happens overseas. I'll be
right back. Welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown.
Glad to have you with me. Appreciate you tuning in
text lines. Always open the numbers three three, one zero three.
Key word is Michael or Mike or Michael. Be sure

(29:22):
and follow me on X formerly Twitter. It's at Michael
Brown USA. You'll find that I tend to go in
spurts on X. I'll go on a tweet storm and
then I'll move on to something else. Then I'll come
back and be another tweet storm. But I think you
do enjoy it. So we talked. We started the hour
out by talking about these cable news channels and the

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ratings and the bundles what you're paying for, but what
you're really watching. Well, one of the examples I gave,
obviously was CNN. But Don Lemon, a former prime time
CNN anchor, has left for various reasons, some of these
are probably true and some of the probably which are not.

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And he's now hosting a podcast another place that people
can get a lot of news and really good information.
But if you want to see festering bigotry based on
race and sex, it's really unpleasant to behold. But Lemon
launched into a bizarre, explosive rant blaming white men as

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the real issue behind violence in America. He snarled, you
keep talking about oh, Chicago and black on black crime.
I want to know white men, are you okay? Because
that is the real issue here. Now. What he means
by that is that even though blacks are many more
times likely to commit violent crimes, white people are the problem.

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This is how they keep racism in the forefront. He
added this, This country keeps waking up to bodies in
the pews, blood on the floor, gunfire and public places,
and the faces behind the trigger looks the same nearly
every single time. Now, So, according to Don Lemon, a
famous journalist and social commentator, the most relevant characteristic of

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the issailants during the ongoing wave of violence that's targeting
Christians and Conservatives is their skin color. However, noting the
pervading skin color of the hordes of criminals who have
been making democrat hell holes like Chicago so unlivable for
whites and blacks, apparently that's taboo and you can't talk

(31:34):
about that. Sure, if you want to isolate the Charlie
Kirk assassination or the attack on a Mormon church, If
you want to isolate those incidents and say, oh, look,
they're all white guys, Okay, Well, that's one common denominator,
But there are there's another common denominator too, and that
is they themselves are bigoted. Clearly, the guy that assassinated

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Charlie Kirk had had a bigotry toward his political philosophy,
and the guy that rammed his car in and burned
down the Mormon church in Michigan clearly had a bigotry
against Mormons. So why not add that to the to
the denominator too, And then you know, occasionally we'll do
a Chicago Weekend crime report so on on Monday or Tuesday,

(32:22):
we'll walk in and we'll be talking about some crime story,
and then we'll realize, oh, let's go look and see
how many people were shot or killed or shot and
killed in Chicago on the South Side over the weekend.
And it's freaking unbelievable. But don Lemon, what have you
believe that you should not when you're thinking about violence

(32:45):
in this country? You should not think about race except
in terms of whites and black the black on black
crime that occurs, which is disproportionate to their makeup of
the general population. You'd understand that really black on black

(33:05):
crime is much worse than was on white crime proportionally speaking,
but noting the prevailing skin color of the hordes of
criminals say on the South Side of Chicago that you
just cannot talk about. Lemen really wants you to know
how much he hates white people, saying white men, something

(33:29):
is broken, something is cracked deep inside you. So many
of you believe the answer is violence. But apparently there
is one white guy that Lemen is okay with, which
I find interesting because you make a broad generalized statement
that white men something is broken with you. White men,

(33:51):
not any particular group of white men. Not white men
that live say north of the thirty eighth parallel, or
white men that are of a certain demographic or economic status,
or not white men that are asexual, bisexual, or homosexual,
Not white men that are a Republican or democrat, but
just white men in general. Something is cracked deep inside

(34:14):
of you, and so many of you believe the answer
is the violence. I wonder if he says that to
some guy named Tim Malone, you know who Tim Malone is.
Tim Malone is the white guy. Yeah, that Don Lemon,
the black guy is married to.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
You.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
See, there is there's this double standard in our national
conversation that allows, I guess, black men or men of
minority status of whatever it might be, whether it's minority
status or social status or political status or your racial status,

(34:57):
whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
That you.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Clump everybody into those categories, and then you try to say, oh,
but then that represents everybody. No, that's not how we
do things. It's not how we do things at all.
Every individual is responsible for their choices and their actions,
and you can't lump groups of black men together anymore

(35:24):
than group groups of white guys or hispanic or Latino
guys or Asian guys, or Vietnamese guys, or Australian guys
or South African guys or whatever. You just cannot do that.
But this is what the left does. They lump everybody together.

(35:44):
I recognize that. As I've said before, I think on
the left side of the political spectrum that the old liberals,
and I always think of mainly because he's in the
intro to this program. One liberal that I got along
famously with but we themly disagreed on policy was Chris Matthews,

(36:08):
who used to host a program on MSNBC. He used
to be the chief of staff, Chief Legislative aide to
former Speaker Tip O'Neil. He's a Massachusetts Liberal. I think
he's of a dying breed because I think the Chris
Matthews of the world. I've be't spoken to Chris in years.
He's kind of retired and gone off into hiding. Pops

(36:32):
his head up once in a while. But that version
of liberalism is gone, and the new vision of liberalism
is pretty much personified by the Don Lemons of the world,
who see everything through the lens of race, Marxism, and socialism,

(36:53):
and it's truly hard to debate somebody who does only that,
So we came with Michael Brown, hang tied, We'll be
right back

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Mm hm
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