10-8-25 - 6am - ICE Tactics vs Police Tactics

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning from South Dakota. Note to self, don't get
on the wrong side of Pam BONDI. Everyone have a
great day.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
We may get to some of that later in the
day because it was pretty interesting. However, something's been on
my mind and it's I'm gonna try to analyze it
and do a little self reflection, and you can ride
along with me and see whether or not we come
to the same conclusion. Let's start with that we have

(00:32):
a problem, and the problem is that we have an
inordinate number of people who have come into the country illegally.
They have overstayed visas. They came here on a student visa,
and then they decide not to you know, get an education,
or they get their education, and then they decided to
stay in the United States because they realized that the

(00:54):
country they came from is such a craphole country and
this is so much better. Let's stay here. But then
let's let's try to turn this country into the socialist
craphole that I came from, because well that's what I know,
and I'm just I've been, you know, indoctrinated by higher
higher education. So let let's let's turn this country inside out.

(01:15):
And then that led me to wonder, just what are
not not the total number. The total number is going
to be, you know, in the tens of millions, in
terms of the total number of illegal aliens, including so
called dreamers, people who you know, at the age of
two or four whatever, were brought here by their parents

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through you know, they have no they have no free
will of their own in the sense that they can't say,
you know, a two year old can't say to mom
and dad, no, I'm want to stay back here in
Mexico with Grandma, So you guys go and also here.
They don't have that kind of mental capacity or ability
to do anything like that. So set them aside for
a moment, and then set aside all of the people
that came here through all the previous administration. Is going

(02:01):
back to you know, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, you know,
as far back as you want to go, that have
come into this country illegally and have remained illegal aliens
and have done nothing to become citizens and certainly haven't assimilated.
The general estimate, just a general estimate of the number
of illegal aliens that entered this country during the Biden

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administration is at least six point seven million dollars six
point seven million dollars six point seven million between January
twenty twenty one to December twenty twenty three. Now that's
according to different analysis that aggregate border encounters. You know,
you encounter the you know, CBP or ICE, encounter someone

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at a border somewhere. And remember it's not just the
southern border. You've got the ports. You've got the Canadian border.
You've got airports. So border encounters releases, Hey you know here,
Oh you filled out the app. Here, go go about
your business. The godaways, the Awakata where we saw them,
we couldn't catch up to them. They're running with the mules.
They're running through the desert, the Sonoran desert wherever in Arizona,

(03:07):
and they get away. The parole programs where we give
someone temporary status because well, we have compassion and we
feel sorry for him for whatever dumb ass reason. And
of course, as I mentioned at the beginning, the visa overstays.
Some sources, not all sources, but some sources place total
illegal alien encounters at the border since FY twenty twenty

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one closer to ten point eight million, though not all
of those aliens remain in the country. Some would be
repeat counts, some eventually get deported, which is the part
I want to get to in just a minute. So
Heritage Foundation, others you can go find. Let's put it
this way. You can go find whatever number you want

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to find. But can we agree that it's ten million?
Just to keep around number ten million? The Heritage Foundation
analysis is at six point seven million unlawfully entering and
taking up residents between January twenty one and December twenty three.

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That included the Southwest border releases, Northern border encounters, the godaways,
undetected entries, unaccompanied minors, paroles from specific countries like Venezuela,
and long term visa overstays. You've got CBP data and
Congression reports themselves. Kumunthive border encounters since FY twenty one
have got have exceeded at least ten point eight million.

(04:37):
But that figure includes repeat crossers, not cross dressers, repeat
a dressers, repeat crossers altho they may be repeat cross
dressers too, I don't know. And individuals who may have
been to port or released remain in legal limbo. Not
all remain in the country permanently. Some you know, get
up and leave. We do have some reports of you know,
upwards of you know, a million people of have packed

(05:00):
up and left on their own. You got the migration
policy analysis from Pew, you know, the Pew organization. Their
overall the unauthorized illegal alien population in the United States,
they say reached historic heighths of fourteen million by twenty
twenty three. That's up about three million from the pre

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pandemic levels. These estimates all vary because of the discrepancies
in record keeping, double counting repatriations, legal parole programs initiate
initiated during the Biden administration. You've got encounters released immigrants
that they didn't all remain in the country. Some may
have stayed, some got deported, Others remain in court or

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asylum proceedings. So they're still here illegally. They're presumed to
be here illegally, and so they're going through the court
proceedings and who knows what happens with them. The migration
surge then started to recede in twenty twenty four after
Trump started implementing stricter border measures, and recent border crossings

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have declined, but overall numbers remain high, and they are
what they are and quite honestly, I don't care what
they are, because more than a few hundred that you're
simply not going to ever be able to get it
to zero. It's too many. So again, let's just use
a round figure of ten million. So there are ten million.

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And because of where of where I'm going with this biatribe,
I want you to think about law enforcement. Colorado State
Patrol Trooper Arapahole County deputy sheriff, a Denver police officer,
A I don't know, a special district, some special police

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h RTD that would be a good example, RTD police force.
I just want you to think about law enforcement in general.
All right, what are we witnessing in the country. We're
witnessing law enforcement in this case, in these particular cases,

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we're witnessing immigrations and customs enforcement doing what law enforcement does?
They track down or they get word that there's a
bad guy, a bad guy that's committed a crime. I
really don't care what crime it is, but a crime,
a crime that would require law enforcement to go find

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that individual, A domestic dispute, a misdemeanor, a felony. So
all of the crimes included in all of those different
kinds of categories within which a local law enforcement or
a state law enforcement officer may go, seek out and
search to find that individual, detain them, arrest them, put

(08:02):
them back into a squad car, take them down for processing,
put them in jail, hold them in jail until you
can have a bond hearing, and then either they go
in most cases, then they just get let out because
who wants to be No bonds, no cash, no bonds,
no problem, Just go on bout your business. Just give
me your promise you'll come back. That's all local law
enforcement for all the crimes that we that we have

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going on in society, that we just accept. Now I
don't mean accept in the sense that we say, oh,
we approve of it, because we don't approve of any crime,
but we accept that in a nation of three hundred
and fifty plus million people, there are going to be
crimes committed, and when those crimes are committed, we expect

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law enforcement to go track down those people. And sometimes
you might have to have a swat team because the
people that you're trying to catch are let's say, the
members of some the notorious that the denver I Heart
gang bangers and the Denver. I Heeart gang bangers are

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known for breaking into homes, burglarizing people while they're at home,
you know, holding people at gunpoint while we rob them
of their jewelry because they don't pay us enough. And
so we do all of that, and we go and
we accept that we see somebody, we see them using
the you know, the all the whatever you call them

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to bust down the door or they kick in a
door and they go rushing in and they you know,
they've got flashlights and they got lasers on their guns,
and they're doing everything they can and trying to protect themselves.
They got full body armor, and nobody says a word
about it. Nobody says a word. The only tactic that
I don't like that local, state, and even federal law

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enforcement uses are no knock raids. That that's I still have.
I've got a serious practical and legal problem with no
knock raids. But nonetheless that exists too. We even have
shows that you can watch on television where you can
watch cops going out and doing what they do. Got
it all right, Now, go back to all those illegal

(10:11):
aliens that are in the country illegally, in which the
President of the United States has ordered them to be deported. Now,
don't get me wrong. It's entitled to due process, but
so is the same damn criminal that committed a rape
or a murder. They're entitled to do process also. But
just because you're entitled to do process doesn't mean that

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you track down the murderer or the rapist and then you,
you know, like a London bobby without any weapons whatsoever
except maybe a nightstick. You don't walk up to them
on Federal Boulevard and say, you know, pull up in
a unmarked car and get out in street clothes and say,

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by the way, here's my shield, here are my credentials.
I'm a law enforcement officer. You're wondered for the you know,
the rape of Sally Sioux or the murder of Billy Bob,
and would you please get in the squad car. It
doesn't work that way, and we don't expect it to
work that way. Why would we expect it to work
that way. They're either gonna pull a gun and shoot

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the cop, or they're gonna take off running and the
cops gonna have to take off running and they're gonna
have to chase them down and they might tackle them
and when they tackle them, they might break somebody's nose,
they might get scarred up, the other face, might hit
their face. When I saw some guy driving down the
highway the other day on a motorcycle, no helmet, no nothing,

(11:37):
short sleeves, shirt, He's weaving in and out of traffic,
doing about eighty miles an hour, and all I can
think about is one little mismove and all the skin
on his arms and his hands, his face and everything
is just gonna become him, mashed into the asphalt.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I see those guys, and I go, yeah, organ donor exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
But we we do. When when cops are chasing down
somebody and somebody, you know, their elbow gets grape. We
don't think anything about it, do we. If you do,
then you're probably listening to the wrong program. You might
want to go somewhere else. ICE agents use many of

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the same standard law enforcement tactics and strategies for tracking, detaining,
holding individuals suspected of being in the country illegally or
without authorization. If you want to be technical, now, there
are some key differences there are specific to immigration enforcement
and specific to federal law. But they may be specific,

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and there may be some slight differences. But tell me
if this sounds like something that you've never heard an
FBI agent, or you've never heard a state patrolman, or
you've never heard the Colorado Bureau of Investigations, or you've
never heard of, you know, the Denver Police departments squad squad,

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swat division doing ICE agents use surveillance, okay, databases, got it,
license plate readers, workplace inquiries, field observation. Those are all
traditional police investigation tactics and they're all used to simply
locate individuals that have been targeted for enforcement. Now wait

(13:30):
a minute, I said, and I wrote in my notes
very specifically targeted for enforcement. They are targeted for enforcement
because they're in the country without authorization. They are, according
to federal law, illegal aliens. If if in the course
of investigation it turns out that me or Dragon are

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suspected of being the criminal that committed a robbery or
a murder or you know, whatever the crime might be,
they'll use those same tactics to track us down. Why
do we get all wrapped around the actle about ICE?
Now let's go back and let's think about but what

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else ICE does. They'll arrest someone in the country without authorization,
illegal alien. They may arrest them in a home, in
a workplace, on the street, maybe in a courthouse. Have
you ever seen I can't think of anything in particular,
but I can I can imagine, which means I've probably

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seen it somewhere. You know, some detective show on television,
and they've got one person that's you know, on trial,
but the real criminal is sitting back in the in
the in the galley, watching the trial go on, and
for whatever reasons, things start to fall apart, and the
police suddenly realize, oh, that's the guy we really need,

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and they arrest them at the courthouse. But nobody, everybody
thinks that's a great drama and that's a great turn
of events and it makes for great TV. But when
they show up at a courthouse to arrest someone in
the country that's here unlawfully, we have judges that actually
try to help them escape, or we got protesters outside

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that saying you can't do this, You're you're somehow violating
some ephemeral right that I don't even know what they're
talking about. But it happens in the state and local level.
It happens with the FBI, and it happens with the ICE. Now,
they also use plain clothes. Okay, that doesn't seem to

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be shocking. They use unmarked vehicles. I hate unmarked highway
patrol vehicles. And they even sometimes identify themselves as police
when they are law enforcement, but they may not be
a local cop. They might be you know, an ICE
agent that is just say hey, you know, this is
the police, because they're using a ruse or deception to

(16:06):
gain access or compliance, which is not uncommon among some
specialized police units out in the rest of the world.
And by the rest of the world, I mean in
this country, not the world, but in this country, ICE
officers are authorized to use force in the same way

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that police officers are. You follow federal standards that require
force to be objectively reasonable. It encourages de escalation and
the use of less lethal options before you have to
get lethal. And force is to be used as necessary
and only the minimum force required, and deadly forces restricted

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to those situations where it is warranted. Gosh, sounds like
I'm talking out of a Denver Police Department operations manual. Now,
like the cops, ICE requires probable cause, individualized suspicions for
stops and arrests, particularly when you get away from the border. Now,

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you know, as I've explained ad nauseum on this program,
if you are caught at the border, in fact, if
you're caught within one hundred miles of the border, you
can be spun around like on a swivel and sent
right back across the border. No due process, no inquiry,
just you don't have authorization to be here. Turn around,

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go back, cross the river, get out of here. So
there's a little bit of a difference there, But that's
a difference that Congress has written into the statute and
authorized ICE since EBP to do. Individuals detained by ICE
have due process rights. They've got the right to remain silent,
they have the right to request, you know, an attorney

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if you can't afford one. Blah blah blah, similar to
those arrested by the low hook toop. Yeah, immigration proceedings
do differ from criminal court in different ways, but so
far I'm just focusing on ICE and their enforcement power. Well,
another day, Mark's.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Safe from the government shutdown.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
And I'm listening to the dumb.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Assery because I'm a goober and I'm a glutton for punishment.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
All we do is simply try to prepare you for
the day so that when the dumb assery slaps you
in the face, you're like, oh, there it is, Yeah, yeah,
thank you sir. May I have another exactly? You'll learn
to turn the other cheek? Why am I going through
all of this about Ice? ICE's primary authority is to

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enforce immigran law, not unlike local cops enforcing state or
local criminal statutes. Although they frequently operate in cooperation with
each other, ICE has some latitude to use administrative warrants
that would not be valid for a local cops criminal investigation,

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and the agents sometimes use ruses or other indirect tactics
that are actually more associated with federal law enforcement or
undercover work than would say, a routine cop on patrol.
So you could say that overall, ICE uses a blend
of standard police tactics alongside distinct federal immigration enforcement procedures,

(19:44):
but they actually adopt traditional strategies to the unique circumstances
of immigration law and policy. Bottom line is, it's not
that different. So why is everybody so damn upset about it?
Why do we he keeps hearing story after story after
story about everything about how awful. It is, and it's

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leading to tyranny, and it's going to destroy the republic.
It's going to do everything what they're actually doing his
law enforcement. I can't play this audio for you, but
over on X there is you can watch an Antifa
freak just spit on an ice officer. Now, the ice

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officer has his tactical gear on, he's got a shield,
he has the helmet, he's got eye his ski goggle
like glasses on, so he's protected from you know, whatever
filth is in this goober's mouth that he's spitting on him.

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But these Antifa freaks are play acting as some sort
of Bolshevik revolutionaries, and they're going to keep pushing and
pushing and pushing until they get the appropriate response, just
as a cop would if I go out. Well, in fact,
you know, it happened this morning. I guess I could

(21:10):
have done this morning to see what would have happened.
As I was checking out of the quick trip getting
my diet coke, there was I presume a Rappahole County
Deputy sheriff in full tactical gear buying buying some skull
or something. I should have told him, you know, that's
not good for you. Don't do that. And when he
told me, if he had told me to mind my
own business, I could have just sucker punched him. Then

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I could have had the day off. What's the difference
between me sucker punching a deputy sheriff for buying skull
at the Quick Trip then this dumb ass sitting here
spitting on an ICE agent who's simply trying to protect
an ice facility. What's the difference. I don't think there's

(21:55):
any difference. But you go to someplace like Portland and
oh my gosh, they're upset and they're going to get
serious now about preventing Trump from restoring order and enforcing
immigration law, which the way I just said it, let
me rephrase. It looks like portlandiers are serious about stopping

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Trump or preventing Trump from enforcing immigration law. I know
that Trump talks about crime a lot, and we're going
to send you know, troops in the National Guard in
different places to enforce the law. And we take that
and we hear it, and we think it's about you know,

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just doing regular police work. Well not really, if you
pay close attention to it. Most of it is really
about assisting local law enforcement who are failing or refusing
or incapable of, or being not allowed to assist ICE
agents in protecting federal facilities. But in Portland they're taking

(23:06):
a step further. They've been laying siege to an ICE
facility for months on end, and apparently it's not defeated fascism.
So they're now going to prevent the National Guard from
restoring public order with a naked bait naked bike ride. Yeah. Now,

(23:27):
I can tell you, in all honesty, I have never
ridden either a real bicycle or a tricycle, or for
that matter, of stationary bike naked.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Never done that, not even a stationary one, not even.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
A stationary one. Nope, nope, nope. I always had something on,
because well, he can be uncomfortable with that something else.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Just put a towel down on the seat, you'd be fine.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, but you know, just stuck. Yeah right. The World
Naked Bike Ride, Portland and offshoot of the official World
Naked Bike Ride, has confirmed that plans are being worked
on to peacefully resist the National Guards deployment. So riding
around on a bicycle naked is an all purpose liberal

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tactic that has also been wielded against those who provide
us with the energy that makes everything SAT Bicycles go.
Portland first started hosting naked bike rides back in two
thousand and four. As cyclists, we're protesting the high profits
enjoyed by oil companies in Oregon. Public nudity, by the way,

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is a legal form of protest in Oregon. Other jurisdictions
rightly restrict that based on public and decency laws. But
why would you expect that in a state that would
elect this moon Back as governor? Yes, this is governor totech.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Lawful demonstrations happen in the city of Portland outside of
this facility. It is being managed. What I'm seeing and
what we're seeing and what the mayor is seeing. The
around is an escalation from the agents who are protecting
the building.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
An escalation from the agents protecting the building, which came
first to chicken or the egg. Because if you have
to escalate your protection of a building, do you just
sit around? And I don't know, maybe they do, but
I don't think so. Do you just sit around and say, hey, guys,
it's kind of a slow day. Let's, you know, escalate

(25:26):
our enforcement. Okay, what are you going to do? Let's
just find random people driving by the facility and let's
go out and just you know, tear gassle. No, you
escalate your protection, you escalate your enforcement because there's a
counter force that is trying to overtake.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
You, trying to antagonize those protesters who are there.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I hate to tell you, Governor, but the people
that you're protecting and defending are antagonized by the mere
presence of Ice, nothing to do with their tactics escalating
their enforcement. They could be standing around drinking diet cokes.
They could be standing around smoking giant cigars. They could

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be standing around, you know, like the workers staring at
poor old Billy Bob who's digging the trench while the
other workers just stand around watching. They could be doing that,
and your people would still be offended by it.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
I would like to de escalate the situation. We don't
need a military intervention.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
We don't need a military intervention. And that's the point
I want to make. While you're watching the cabal feed you,
even Fox News, they're all feeding. Everybody's feeding you. This
is to make you believe that what ICE is doing
is somehow inappropriate, unlawful, is unconstitutional, and in fact, what

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they're doing is that they're the fascists, They're the Nazis,
they're the you know, they're the socialist Democrats of America.
They're the bad guys. No, they're doing their job, and
their job is just like any others, except we don't
have a TV camera following every detective, every street cop,

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every person that's ever made an arrest anywhere in this country.
And I'm sick of it. I'm not sick of cameras
not following every cop. I'm sick of the cameras following
ICE agents doing their job. And the picture that has
fed you is meant to propagandize you, is meant to

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indoctrinate you to believe that somehow what they're doing is
awful and unlawful. Now, just like in the real world,
not that ICE, it doesn't live in a real world,
but in the real world of what you and I
deal with law enforcement every single day. What occasionally happens,
Oh yeah, they arrest the wrong guy, or a cop

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gets out of control and gets angry because he's mad
about something happened with his girlfriend. Who knows what is
going on in that CoP's mind, and he beats the
crap out of somebody unnecessarily. Well, we have remedies for that,
and we don't like it when we see it. But
if if the person that they're trying to arrest is

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resisting arrest and is pummeling and pounding and picking up
rocks and throwing him at the cop, we expect in
this other world, we expect the cop to engage in
violence to subdue that suspect. Why should an illegal alien
be any different?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Why?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I simply don't get it. Chicag was taking it one
step further.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I just tuned in and the very first thing I
heard was naked by Gride dropping you this message. I'm
tuning out for about ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'll get back in later to see what next topic
you are hopeful.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
We don't worry about it. We naked bike rides are
pretty interesting, but we've moved on from naked naked bike rides.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
I prefer naked rollerblading yeah, naked skating.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, we could do that.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
We do anything. We're just here to please. Naked skiing stop.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
So the Constitution has what's called the Supremacy Clause. It
prevents pockets of radicalism from establishing their own nations within
this country, which would result in chaos and collapse. So
when the reckless left us, like oh, you know, Mayor
Brandon Johnson in Chicago, ignore the supremacy clause, then you

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got a problem. Johnson has. According to Fox News, Johnson
signed an executive order this past Monday prohibiting federal immigration
agents from using city owned property for immigration enforcement op options.
Johnson has established the ice free zones referring to US

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immigrations and customs enforcement as part of his Protecting Chicago initiative,
so rejecting Trump's crime crackdown and deportation roll out in
the Windy City. Now, Johnson was elected on a pro
criminal black lives matter platform. He actually regards law enforcement

(30:26):
as a sickness, so we shouldn't be surprised by this. Already,
Chicago cops were ordered not to assist federal agents under
coordinated terrorist attack. Rather than back away from the slippery
slope that left us in charge, are now doubling down
because they want to create a constitutional crisis. The media
will be able to twist on their behalf case point.

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Mayor Johnson and Illinoly Governor J. D. Pritzker filed a
lawsuit Monday attempting to block the Trump administration from deploying
the National Guard troops to ill. Prince Kiar refuses to
deploy the National Guard himself, even as the situation in
Chicago area just continues to spin out of control. But

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that both the mayor and the governor aggressively side with
these foreign invaders and these criminals against law enforcement. Confirms
that federal intervention is required, but they don't care about
that whatsoever. They don't care about the supremacy clause. And

(31:34):
once again, what are they trying to do. They're trying
to get you to believe that what's going on here
is that ICE is acting extra or acting unlawfully. Does
somehow their tactics do somehow, their enforcement mechanisms somehow, everything

(31:55):
that they're doing to simply enforce the law that is
parallel to what other law enforcement agencies do at the federal, state,
and local level is essentially the same. Very few differences,
the primary one being, oh, here they have a very
specific narrow area of enforcement subject matter enforcement, and that's

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immigration law, not murder, you know, not drugs, etc. But
immigration law. That's the difference. So when you keep hearing
all of these stories that the cabal keeps feeding you,
stop and just recognize they're indoctrinating you. It's no different

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than what you see on local news cops doing every
single day.