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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael and Dragon and all the other goopers out in Googleville.
I just wanted to say thank you so much for
your donations yesterday to Food Bank.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm not using them now, but I have had to
use food banks in the past, and it makes a difference.
And I sure appreciated it back then, and I know
everyone else does now too.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thanks everyone, that's very.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
That's very sweet of you, and thank you for thanking
those who came by yesterday and drop stuff off. I
got to meet some of you goobers. I met one
Dragon who listens to us in Peru.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Huh huh, where's our map?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It's somewhere on the way, somewhere on the you know,
it's it's label has been you know, on ups label
has been created. Uh oh, so it's they've they've made
the labels though, who knows.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And thank you for thanking her for thanking them. Yes, yes,
and all of you came by yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It was It was interesting because some people didn't have
time to sit and stand around, but you could tell
he wanted to talk, but I was too busy talking,
you know, And so it was nice to meet people
and I didn't have to like pull the shotgun out once.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It was amazing. I just love the fact that I
could hear more people asking, Hey, where's Dragon, Hey, where's Dragon?
More people that are say hi to me than for you.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I didn't hear that one time at all. I didn't
hear that at all. All I can hear was the
shopping cards and they were trying to fix something out front.
It was like I was in the construction zone. It
was hilarious, but I don't how much of that bled through.
I have a request of you to remind me later,
but not right now, because I got to get to
the story. To remind me later. Let's talk to the
goobers about the rules of engagement. I know we have
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some new ones, Bill, we always need more, and so
let's talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Though. Do you remember.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yesterday when I mentioned something about this guy on the
Chicago Transit Authority, The CTA decided that, hey, you know,
think I'll just doubt somebody with gas and just burn Burnham.
And I don't know whether she's still alive or not.
I failed to check this morning, but that story percolated
up again again today, and I know that all the
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bleeding heart liberals out there are right about one thing.
Career criminals do not deserve all of the blame for
the mayhem that they inflict.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No, they don't. We should.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We should not blame the criminals. Others are arguably more responsible.
Consider the case of Lawrence Read. Now we know his name,
and I usually don't give out the names of the
thugs that do this kind of stuff, but I want
you to know about Lawrence Reid. Federal prosecutors alleged to
Read intentionally. My source for this is the uh it
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was Fox News, federals, because I'm this percolated up. Also
because I heard Paul Morrow, who is a former NYPD
cop detective or something and he's a Fox News contribute.
I heard him on the way in today and we're
going to talk about what he had to say. But
in an entirely different context, Fox News said, federal prosecutors
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alleged Reid intentionally used gasoline and a lighter to set
a woman on fire aboard a CPA Blue Line train
at about nine thirty pm on Monday. US District Attorney
for the Northern District of Illinois, Andrew buttro So, the
woman was quote minding your own business, and reading her phone.
I didn't know you could read your ponemore reading your
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phone while seated in the middle of the train car.
When Reid approached her from the back of the car,
doused her head and body with gasoline and attempted to
ignite the liquid. Can you imagine you're sitting there on
the train and you're just you're a light rail You're
just trying to get home.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You've had a really lousy day.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You had to you know, you had to listen to me,
or you had to deal with Dragon, or you know,
we had to deal with our management team or whatever,
and we just we just want to go home. And
some dirt bag thug behind just stands up and pours
gasoline on you. Good grief.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Maybe this guy was inspired by his call his colleague
to Carlos Brown.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That's the guy that slipped Irena Zeruski's throat when she
was sitting minding.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Her own business on the Charlotte light rail. So all
these liberals, you know, probably will start to go fund
me for read like they did for Brown. They yes,
they they actually start go fundme for the backcrap crazy
and our people in our in our society that tried
to killed each other, just randomly on the subways or
on the trains. The woman, The Fox News says, the
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woman ran to the back of the car as he
ignited the rest of the liquid in the bottle and
then used it to light her on fire. According to
the complaint, footage allegedly showed read watching the woman engulfed
in flames as she tried to put out the fire
by rolling on the floor. Can you imagine now, I've
been in burnwards, but look, do you want to shoot
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me in the Headshoe me in the head. I really
don't want to be stabbed to death. I really don't
want to bleed out or anything. But the one thing
I don't want to do is to be burned, to
burn to death, have third degree burns over you know,
X percent of your body. It is if you've if
you've never been in a burn ward, you're fortunate. When
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you go, you'll understand what I mean, Boutro said, is
the woman was rolling on the ground deserally trying to
put out the fire. Nobody came to her aid. Nobody
came to her aid. Nobody said, oh, let me take
my jacket off, or let me row you on the floor,
let me do something, try to put you out?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
What do you do? Did you take a damn video
of it? Holy crap?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Now, if if somebody let loose, let's say, a rattlesnake
and in a in a nursery, who's the blame when
the baby gets bitten? Who's the blame? Of course, you
take care that the snake is never going to bite again.
How many times have I taken a shove and boom
chopped off the head.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Of a rattlesnake? Were taking a shotgun to it? But
the moral.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Responsibility belongs to the liberals, who time and again unleashed
people like Read and the sky Brown at the public's throat,
No pun intended there for their whatever warped ideological reasons
they have the judges, all the sorols appointed district attorneys
who let them loose need to be tried as accomplices
to the crimes that inevitably follow from their public policies.
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But then where do you draw the line? Sure, everyone
who votes for pro criminal democrats bear some of the glame,
the blame they are angling to get Read off for
setting the woman on fire with the insane insanity defense.
This defense might also apply to those liberal judges, and
for that matter, to Democrat voters who keep putting these
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people in place. But go back to the point where
no one came to her aid, That says an awful
lot of at our society. Nobody came to her, aid,
I want to tell you a story. I know, and
we've talked, probably incessantly, not quite as much as.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
We do other things.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But this will not be the first time that I've
talked about the broken windows theory. But have we ever
stopped and thought about the implications of the broken windows
theory and what it means for our society as a whole,
for your children, your grandchildren, for you just going to
work today. Have you ever thought about it that theory
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holds that visible disorder vandalism, graffiti, literally broken windows, or
somebody being dashed with gasoline on a train and nobody
doing a damn thing about it, that signals neglect. It invites,
you know, more minor transgressions, and then that can escalate
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into serious crimes if we don't quickly address those simple
things that start out simply, you know, a little mugging here,
you know, just a minor mugg You know, nobody cares
that's a purse snatching or somebody just you know points that.
You know, they they pull the old drake and they
is a.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Pickle in your pants? Are you happy to see me?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
They put a little they put their finger in their
coat pocket and then they stare at you like, you know, hey.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
This is a stick up, this is a hold up.
Give me what you got.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
This broken windows theory is now a broken menan. When
I came in today, they're downstairs, and I watched them
for a moment because I'm just curious how they do it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We have these gigantic windows in the lobby of this building.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And they're I don't know, thirty forty fifty feet high,
and there's some window washers inside Washington, and I thought,
that's kind of ironic. I'm gonna talk about broken windows today.
I wonder if you're gonna break the windows. So then
I'm watching them, and then they start watching me watching them,
and I'm just They're probably like, you know, are you
are you at the boss of the building, are you
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are you the maintenance supervisor or no, I'm just curious.
I'm just curious. I'm just watching you do your work.
It's a good work, guys, good work, good work. Broken windows.
This whole theory. I shouldn't say the theory, but the
phrase the broken windows theory got popularized by James Q.
Wilson and George Kelly in nineteen eighty two. The theory's
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narrative and the origin for the theory traces to Philip Zimbardo,
who in nineteen sixty nine conducted a field experiment. He
took two abandoned cars he put and these were identical cars,
absolutely the same. So let me tell you a story
about the cars. Nineteen sixty nine. He's a Stanford psychologist,
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phil Philip Zimbardo. He left two identical cars without license plates,
with their hoods raised in two contrasting settings, one on
a Bronx street Bronx, New York, and the other one
in Palo Alto, California, Silicon Valley today. He wanted to
test how context and disorder influence vandalism. So the Bronx
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car was attacked within minutes and stripped within a day.
And you're not surprised by that, are you. The subsequent
destruction of the car in the Bronx included smashed windows,
torn upholstery, as passers by treated the vehicle as abandoned
and fair game. Now let's go to Palo Alto, exact
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same car. It remained completely untouched for about a week,
showing the mere abandonment without overt queues of damage that
did not immediately trigger opportunistic vandalism in that environment.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So to probe the role of a salient.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Disorder, Qzimbardo then struck the Palo Alto car the sledgehammer.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
He started breaking the windows.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
After that trigger that was a trigger vandalism on that car,
Impalo Alto began to accelerate and the car was rapidly destroyed,
suggesting that visible disorder somehow grants permission for further violations
by signaling that the norms are not enforced. Speaking of
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norms not enforced, let me just add a little footnote here.
Not totally related, but I think there's some real I
think there's some correlation here. So Sean Duffy, the Secretary
of Transportation, in ahead of next week's you know, heavy
Thanksgiving travel. You know, everybody gets Hong Go see rama
and everybody runs through the airport and then we have
TV cruise, radio cruise everywhere we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh my god, look at the lines. Look at the lines.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, yeah, because everybody keeps eating it and everybody thinks
it's time to go. But he talked about civility in
airports and airlines, and he made a comment that just
made me chuckle. He said, how about you just learned
to say please and thank you? How about you learn
not to yell at the gate agents even though you're frustrated.
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You know what, they're probably as frustrated as you are.
How about this, how about you not where your pajamas
on the plane?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Now?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I see that all the time, or the wife beaters,
or you know, the flip flops. Give me a break, now,
I don't. I don't expect people to put a suit on,
a suit and tie. I don't expect Dragon. When Dragon goes,
you know, hauling off to Vegas wherever he's gonna take
missus Redbera on the next vacation.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I don't expect him to put on a suit and tie.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
But I don't expect him to wear his flip flops
and his pajamas either. Nobody dragging, Nobody wants to see it.
Nobody wants to see nobody pjs. We just don't want
to see it, So back to the professor from Stanford
that that professor and other commentators emphasized that there are
two interpretive points. First, a conspicuous queue of neglect can
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rapidly change social behavior. Then, second, the initial vandal need
not be a typical criminal. Ordinary people can be drawn
in once the norm appears broken. Then, accounts of this
experiment consistently highlighted that when the Palo Altos car's first
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window was broken, all of the onlookers people just you know,
walking by, shifted from a spectator to a participant, and
that illustrates how disorder can lower inhibitions and foster imitation. Now,
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two professors Wilson and Kelling, translated the logic of Zimbardo's
observation into a broader urban and policing framework in an
essay in The Atlantic magazine in nineteen eighty two. They
offered the broken window as a metaphor for how small
signs of disorder undermine the community norms and inform our
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social control and our social compact. They argue that when
windows stay broken, graffiti persists, or aggressive panhandling goes unchecked.
Residents infer that hey nobody's in charge, so the offenders
they perceive impunity. Nobody's going to enforce anything. I'm not
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going to be held accountable. I knew whatever. I damn
well please, And then both physical and social disorder began
to expand and propagate. I think they're exactly right now.
Their account distinguished between chasing criminals and maintaining order, contending
that just routine, visible enforcement of norms and support for
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community standards can prevent the sequence by which a minor
disorder begets more serious crime. Their emphasis was on restoring
signals of guardianship. What does that mean? Things like, oh,
I don't know, clearing the graffiti, fixing the windows, addressing
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the low level in fractions, lettering, panhandling, begging, muggings, you know,
purse snatchings. That would mean that a neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Somebody I talked to you yesterday at the at the
food drive was an not to be named. I'm not
going to name him Denver cop who's main main area
of jurisdiction is downtown Denver, and I asked, hey, you know,
off the record, you know how bad is its? All
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of the nonverbal signals were there to affirm what I
believe about downtown Denver. So what are we doing in
places like downtown Denver or light rail or the Chicago
Transit Authority or the light rail and Charlotte. Well, you're
indicating that neighborhoods are communicating that rules are known, but
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they're not enforced. And when they're not enforced, then that means, hey,
you can just do whatever you want to do. Just
do whatever you want to do. Yeah, let's take a
break and I'll finish this on the other side of
the break. But I think that this is this whole
liberal idea of we keep seeing people that have rap
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sheets a mile long.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's a broken window, Michael.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I'm waiting for the mainstream media to start blaming the
victim for being on her phone and not being aware
of her surroundings.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Three two, one, go, go.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Exactly now, think about this. So nineteen sixty nine, this
professor in Palo Alto at Stanford decides to conduct this
experiment nineteen sixty nine, and there we and then in
an Atlantic essay in nineteen eighty two they translated into
the broken windows theory. And now here we are in
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twenty twenty five, and we.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
See it all around us. We see it everywhere.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
You see it in You know, one of my bugaboos
is how filthy the interstate highways are in Colorado. Not
necessarily in the rural areas, but you get into the
urban areas and they clean the media's what once every
six months or something, and you'll find all sorts of
debris in those medians. Or you go down to downtown Denver,
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or you go anywhere, and all the little things are ignored.
And then we wonder why crime is rampant in places
like Colorado, because we know that the broken windows theory
is alive and well today in Colorado and in Chicago,
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Los Angeles, New York, Charlotte, wherever you see these things
taking place. And it's all because judges and prosecutors and
quite frankly, we use the public. Don't demand that we
do that we take care of the little things. Oh
so it's your first defense and you rob the liquor store,
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but you only took twenty bucks or you stole something
from the liquor store or whatever. Okay, so where's going
to give you probation?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, that just.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Encourages them that they know they're no consequence instance, no
consequences whatsoever. And we now have subsequent field studies that
extend this logic. When people encounter graffiti or litter, they
become more likely to violate the norms themselves, reinforcing the
idea that one single visible transgression invites another one. We
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synthesize all of the scholarly studies about this. It's described
as a developmental sequence by which unchecked physical and social
disorder directly and indirectly raises crime via weakened community control
and emboldened offenders.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Look around you, look around you today.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So something that is first identified in nineteen sixty nine
is given a name in nineteen eighty two, and in
twenty twenty five. Here we are witnessing it all around
and people are going, we'll shusaim. What do I do?
You demand better of our society? You demand that politicians
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actually enforced the law, that prosecutors prosecute, that cops arrest,
that they actually filed police reports, and then that judges
themselves actually impose penalties for the crimes that are committed.
Or you demand that mayors clean up the streets, that
they get the homeless off the street. I'm sorry, you
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get the drug addicts, you get all of those people
off the streets that just continued to contribute. I pulled
up today to get my diet coke and I'm looking
around and at an intersection very near to the studio,
there is trash everywhere, and when I looked closely, couldn't
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find any needles.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But there were some drug vials, drug vials.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Like you know, if you've got one docking mount mens
clink and you take testosterings shots like I do, the
little the files of medicine. Who knows what it was,
baggies of stuff, trash everywhere. That's the signal to everybody
else that nobody cares, that nobody cares. The power of
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broken windows lies in its intuitive claim that environments communicate norms.
So when you see, you know, a bunch of drug addled,
you know, nincompoops hanging around a light rail station in Denver,
then you know that there's likely.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
To be crime.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And when you look around and you see the or
you notice the absence of any law enforcement, then you
know that those drug addled nincompoops are empowered and are
going to be brazenly engaged in criminal activity. And then
we wonder why crime's out of control. Visible maintenance calibrated
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norm enforcement is the only way to prevent these spirals
of decay that we are witnessing. Modern practices, modern practices
should stress balancing order. Obviously with civil liberties. I'm not
trying to saying that we need to abandon civil liberties,
but good grief with the modern practices that we're now
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engaged in, with the modern practices that we're allowing to occur,
and with liberal Democrats absolutely allowing these things to take place.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And if you think that I'm being partisan, here go
look at Denver. Go look at you know. I've challenged
my earlier audience. I want to challenge this audience too.
You drive through.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Denver, but all you do is you just kind of
you know, you glance over and you see the mountains,
or you see the skyline, or you're busy focused on
the traffic in front of you. And then you pull
off the interstate and you try to drive through a
neighborhood or you try to get downtown to your business meeting,
and whatever you're doing, stop it and really observe, observe
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your surroundings, do that situational awareness she referred to, and
you'll realize we're allowing the entire country in many particularly
in the urban areas, not so much in the rural areas,
but particularly in the urban areas, to become just gigantic
broken windows. That signals to anybody that has any proclivity
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towards crime, And in fact, you don't even have to
have that proclivity toward crime, because the original nineteen sixty
nine experiment shows that even in a place like Silicon
Valley in Palo Alto, all it takes is for the
abandoned car to sit there for a week hood's open.
People just think, oh, somebody's you know, somebody's gonna eventually
come and get their car. But no, you take a
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sledgehammer to it, you break a couple of windows, and
it's just like, have you ever seen an animal, If
you've never seen an animal die in the wild, or
you've come across an animal that has recently died like
within the past, you know, thirty minutes you'll see that
suddenly all the insects and worms and everything begin to
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just consume that that body, that animal. The same is
true here when you see the broken window, when you
see that there is this absence of enforcement, all those
insects come out, even the decent insects realize, oh, there's
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no accountability case. Surrah sarrah. The theory is still today
a touch tone in urban policy because it links the
mundane esthetics of public space to the psychology of rule
following and the sociology of community control. And we've completely
given up on that.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Good morning, Michael and Dragons.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
This is your favorite Jew Guber.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Hey, Mike was nice, Senior, Yes, Ray been good.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yes, Here's here's a story.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Me and my synagogue sometimes we go out and we
give out Israeli flags. It's Long's lake, and so people
like when one person takes a flag, that a person
after them takes a flag, and that person after them
takes a flag. And then when one person doesn't take
a flag, then the person behind them maybe sees it
and they will not take a flag. So it would
give the Israeli flags to a person like a person
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behind her if they see him or her take the flag,
they were also most likely they will repeat that same thing.
And if they don't take the flag, then the person
behind them will also repeat that as well. I mean,
it's not one hundred percent, but it's a good ninety
percent of people that do that. They see, but one
person does it, and they do it, and they just follow.
They have no mind of their own.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's basically human behavior. By the ways, let me remind
everybody the text line for this program is three three
one zero three, keyword Mike or Michael. I don't read
the other text line. Guys, if you want to tell
me something three three one zero three three, I only
know that you've done it because Dragons.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Told me that.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Somebody says I just make you dumber. Well, why don't
you tell me that it's so I can make fun
of it.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Tell me that at three three one zero three, you
don't even have access to the other line.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So so if you want to tell me that I
make you dumber, uh, tell me three three one zero three.
So here's why I can't find the SoundBite. It's unavailable.
Fox hasn't posted it, our clipping surface doesn't have it.
But Paul Merrow was on America's newsroom this morning as
I was driving in and he was. They were talking
about crime stats, but he happened to talk about the
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subway system in New York City, which, by the way,
I'm proud to say that if all the thousands of
times I've been in New York.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I am I am going to die having never written
the New York City subway.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh, I've written the subways in Paris, the Tube in London,
I've written the subways all here on DC, all over
the world, but not in New York City. And now
I'm never going to But Paul described how that his
wife has as an example, was a starving artist or
maybe a you know, a striving actress or something, and
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she would take jobs that would cause her to not
get off work until say midnight or after and she
would ride the subway back when they were young. He
says that does not happen today, and that women will
not take a job that requires them to work after, say,
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anywhere from eleven to eleven PM to two am, because
they find the subway so incredibly dangerous, broken windows, because
there's no law enforcement. So therefore there's a cascading effect.
Because businesses can't find workers, particularly females, to serve, you know,
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in a club or in a nightclub of some sort,
or as a wait person, they end up closing their doors.
They either go out of business or they cut back
on their hours because they can't find workers, and they
can't find workers because these people aren't riding the subway,
and then he went on to describe how bad the
crime is on the subway. It is the perfect example,
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going all the way back to nineteen sixty nine to
nineteen eighty two to twenty twenty five, how broken windows
theory is alive and well, and it is the degradation
of American society. We are slowly but consistently becoming a
third world country. And it's the broken windows theory because
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we keep liberals, in particular, keep electing these dumbass judges
and these really horrific prosecutors that will not enforce the law.
And then we elect mayors that decide that, oh, a
bike path is more important than making certain that, oh
that we have bridges that can actually carry fire trucks,
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because in Denver, fire response time has been the intended
is longer in some areas because the fire trucks can't
cross the bridge. Is because they're so outdated and they're
too dangerous for the fire trucks to cross. Broken windows.
Why are we spending money on homelessness, illegal aliens, free this,
and free that, when instead we should be focusing on
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the very basic functions that government is supposed to provide
and for which you pay taxes, and for our services
we're not getting. You can take this broken windows theory
and you can apply it to almost every aspect of
our current political situation. And the latest example of Chicago
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and somebody pouring gas on a woman. So we had
a woman whose throat's been slipped, she dies right there.
Now we have a woman that has been doused with gasoline,
lit with a cigarette lighter, and everybody stands around and watches.
You need to play through your mind what you would
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do in that situation. It's not theoretical, it's I want
you to actually play through in your mind what would
you do, because if you're going to stand around, you
might be part of the problem.
Michael and Dragon and all the other goopers out in Googleville.
I just wanted to say thank you so much for
your donations yesterday to Food Bank.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm not using them now, but I have had to
use food banks in the past, and it makes a difference.
And I sure appreciated it back then, and I know
everyone else does now too.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thanks everyone, that's very.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
That's very sweet of you, and thank you for thanking
those who came by yesterday and drop stuff off. I
got to meet some of you goobers. I met one
Dragon who listens to us in Peru.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Huh huh, where's our map?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
It's somewhere on the way, somewhere on the you know,
it's it's label has been you know, on ups label
has been created. Uh oh, so it's they've they've made
the labels though, who knows.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And thank you for thanking her for thanking them. Yes, yes,
and all of you came by yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It was It was interesting because some people didn't have
time to sit and stand around, but you could tell
he wanted to talk, but I was too busy talking,
you know, And so it was nice to meet people
and I didn't have to like pull the shotgun out once.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It was amazing. I just love the fact that I
could hear more people asking, Hey, where's Dragon, Hey, where's Dragon?
More people that are say hi to me than for you.
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I didn't hear that one time at all. I didn't
hear that at all. All I can hear was the
shopping cards and they were trying to fix something out front.
It was like I was in the construction zone. It
was hilarious, but I don't how much of that bled through.
I have a request of you to remind me later,
but not right now, because I got to get to
the story. To remind me later. Let's talk to the
goobers about the rules of engagement. I know we have
(01:46):
some new ones, Bill, we always need more, and so
let's talk about that later.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Though. Do you remember.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yesterday when I mentioned something about this guy on the
Chicago Transit Authority, The CTA decided that, hey, you know,
think I'll just doubt somebody with gas and just burn Burnham.
And I don't know whether she's still alive or not.
I failed to check this morning, but that story percolated
up again again today, and I know that all the
(02:13):
bleeding heart liberals out there are right about one thing.
Career criminals do not deserve all of the blame for
the mayhem that they inflict.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
No, they don't. We should.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We should not blame the criminals. Others are arguably more responsible.
Consider the case of Lawrence Read. Now we know his name,
and I usually don't give out the names of the
thugs that do this kind of stuff, but I want
you to know about Lawrence Reid. Federal prosecutors alleged to
Read intentionally. My source for this is the uh it
(02:45):
was Fox News, federals, because I'm this percolated up. Also
because I heard Paul Morrow, who is a former NYPD
cop detective or something and he's a Fox News contribute.
I heard him on the way in today and we're
going to talk about what he had to say. But
in an entirely different context, Fox News said, federal prosecutors
(03:09):
alleged Reid intentionally used gasoline and a lighter to set
a woman on fire aboard a CPA Blue Line train
at about nine thirty pm on Monday. US District Attorney
for the Northern District of Illinois, Andrew buttro So, the
woman was quote minding your own business, and reading her phone.
I didn't know you could read your ponemore reading your
(03:29):
phone while seated in the middle of the train car.
When Reid approached her from the back of the car,
doused her head and body with gasoline and attempted to
ignite the liquid. Can you imagine you're sitting there on
the train and you're just you're a light rail You're
just trying to get home.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You've had a really lousy day.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You had to you know, you had to listen to me,
or you had to deal with Dragon, or you know,
we had to deal with our management team or whatever,
and we just we just want to go home. And
some dirt bag thug behind just stands up and pours
gasoline on you. Good grief.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Maybe this guy was inspired by his call his colleague
to Carlos Brown.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
That's the guy that slipped Irena Zeruski's throat when she
was sitting minding.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Her own business on the Charlotte light rail. So all
these liberals, you know, probably will start to go fund
me for read like they did for Brown. They yes,
they they actually start go fundme for the backcrap crazy
and our people in our in our society that tried
to killed each other, just randomly on the subways or
on the trains. The woman, The Fox News says, the
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woman ran to the back of the car as he
ignited the rest of the liquid in the bottle and
then used it to light her on fire. According to
the complaint, footage allegedly showed read watching the woman engulfed
in flames as she tried to put out the fire
by rolling on the floor. Can you imagine now, I've
been in burnwards, but look, do you want to shoot
(04:59):
me in the Headshoe me in the head. I really
don't want to be stabbed to death. I really don't
want to bleed out or anything. But the one thing
I don't want to do is to be burned, to
burn to death, have third degree burns over you know,
X percent of your body. It is if you've if
you've never been in a burn ward, you're fortunate. When
(05:22):
you go, you'll understand what I mean, Boutro said, is
the woman was rolling on the ground deserally trying to
put out the fire. Nobody came to her aid. Nobody
came to her aid. Nobody said, oh, let me take
my jacket off, or let me row you on the floor,
let me do something, try to put you out?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
What do you do? Did you take a damn video
of it? Holy crap?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Now, if if somebody let loose, let's say, a rattlesnake
and in a in a nursery, who's the blame when
the baby gets bitten? Who's the blame? Of course, you
take care that the snake is never going to bite again.
How many times have I taken a shove and boom
chopped off the head.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Of a rattlesnake? Were taking a shotgun to it? But
the moral.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Responsibility belongs to the liberals, who time and again unleashed
people like Read and the sky Brown at the public's throat,
No pun intended there for their whatever warped ideological reasons
they have the judges, all the sorols appointed district attorneys
who let them loose need to be tried as accomplices
to the crimes that inevitably follow from their public policies.
(06:28):
But then where do you draw the line? Sure, everyone
who votes for pro criminal democrats bear some of the glame,
the blame they are angling to get Read off for
setting the woman on fire with the insane insanity defense.
This defense might also apply to those liberal judges, and
for that matter, to Democrat voters who keep putting these
(06:49):
people in place. But go back to the point where
no one came to her aid, That says an awful
lot of at our society. Nobody came to her, aid,
I want to tell you a story. I know, and
we've talked, probably incessantly, not quite as much as.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
We do other things.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But this will not be the first time that I've
talked about the broken windows theory. But have we ever
stopped and thought about the implications of the broken windows
theory and what it means for our society as a whole,
for your children, your grandchildren, for you just going to
work today. Have you ever thought about it that theory
(07:36):
holds that visible disorder vandalism, graffiti, literally broken windows, or
somebody being dashed with gasoline on a train and nobody
doing a damn thing about it, that signals neglect. It invites,
you know, more minor transgressions, and then that can escalate
(07:57):
into serious crimes if we don't quickly address those simple
things that start out simply, you know, a little mugging here,
you know, just a minor mugg You know, nobody cares
that's a purse snatching or somebody just you know points that.
You know, they they pull the old drake and they
is a.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Pickle in your pants? Are you happy to see me?
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
They put a little they put their finger in their
coat pocket and then they stare at you like, you know, hey.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
This is a stick up, this is a hold up.
Give me what you got.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
This broken windows theory is now a broken menan. When
I came in today, they're downstairs, and I watched them
for a moment because I'm just curious how they do it.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
We have these gigantic windows in the lobby of this building.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And they're I don't know, thirty forty fifty feet high,
and there's some window washers inside Washington, and I thought,
that's kind of ironic. I'm gonna talk about broken windows today.
I wonder if you're gonna break the windows. So then
I'm watching them, and then they start watching me watching them,
and I'm just They're probably like, you know, are you
are you at the boss of the building, are you
(09:09):
are you the maintenance supervisor or no, I'm just curious.
I'm just curious. I'm just watching you do your work.
It's a good work, guys, good work, good work. Broken windows.
This whole theory. I shouldn't say the theory, but the
phrase the broken windows theory got popularized by James Q.
Wilson and George Kelly in nineteen eighty two. The theory's
(09:32):
narrative and the origin for the theory traces to Philip Zimbardo,
who in nineteen sixty nine conducted a field experiment. He
took two abandoned cars he put and these were identical cars,
absolutely the same. So let me tell you a story
about the cars. Nineteen sixty nine. He's a Stanford psychologist,
(09:56):
phil Philip Zimbardo. He left two identical cars without license plates,
with their hoods raised in two contrasting settings, one on
a Bronx street Bronx, New York, and the other one
in Palo Alto, California, Silicon Valley today. He wanted to
test how context and disorder influence vandalism. So the Bronx
(10:23):
car was attacked within minutes and stripped within a day.
And you're not surprised by that, are you. The subsequent
destruction of the car in the Bronx included smashed windows,
torn upholstery, as passers by treated the vehicle as abandoned
and fair game. Now let's go to Palo Alto, exact
(10:45):
same car. It remained completely untouched for about a week,
showing the mere abandonment without overt queues of damage that
did not immediately trigger opportunistic vandalism in that environment.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So to probe the role of a salient.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Disorder, Qzimbardo then struck the Palo Alto car the sledgehammer.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
He started breaking the windows.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
After that trigger that was a trigger vandalism on that car,
Impalo Alto began to accelerate and the car was rapidly destroyed,
suggesting that visible disorder somehow grants permission for further violations
by signaling that the norms are not enforced. Speaking of
(11:43):
norms not enforced, let me just add a little footnote here.
Not totally related, but I think there's some real I
think there's some correlation here. So Sean Duffy, the Secretary
of Transportation, in ahead of next week's you know, heavy
Thanksgiving travel. You know, everybody gets Hong Go see rama
and everybody runs through the airport and then we have
TV cruise, radio cruise everywhere we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh my god, look at the lines. Look at the lines.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Well, yeah, because everybody keeps eating it and everybody thinks
it's time to go. But he talked about civility in
airports and airlines, and he made a comment that just
made me chuckle. He said, how about you just learned
to say please and thank you? How about you learn
not to yell at the gate agents even though you're frustrated.
(12:27):
You know what, they're probably as frustrated as you are.
How about this, how about you not where your pajamas
on the plane?
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Now?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I see that all the time, or the wife beaters,
or you know, the flip flops. Give me a break, now,
I don't. I don't expect people to put a suit on,
a suit and tie. I don't expect Dragon. When Dragon goes,
you know, hauling off to Vegas wherever he's gonna take
missus Redbera on the next vacation.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I don't expect him to put on a suit and tie.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
But I don't expect him to wear his flip flops
and his pajamas either. Nobody dragging, Nobody wants to see it.
Nobody wants to see nobody pjs. We just don't want
to see it, So back to the professor from Stanford
that that professor and other commentators emphasized that there are
two interpretive points. First, a conspicuous queue of neglect can
(13:18):
rapidly change social behavior. Then, second, the initial vandal need
not be a typical criminal. Ordinary people can be drawn
in once the norm appears broken. Then, accounts of this
experiment consistently highlighted that when the Palo Altos car's first
(13:43):
window was broken, all of the onlookers people just you know,
walking by, shifted from a spectator to a participant, and
that illustrates how disorder can lower inhibitions and foster imitation. Now,
(14:05):
two professors Wilson and Kelling, translated the logic of Zimbardo's
observation into a broader urban and policing framework in an
essay in The Atlantic magazine in nineteen eighty two. They
offered the broken window as a metaphor for how small
signs of disorder undermine the community norms and inform our
(14:29):
social control and our social compact. They argue that when
windows stay broken, graffiti persists, or aggressive panhandling goes unchecked.
Residents infer that hey nobody's in charge, so the offenders
they perceive impunity. Nobody's going to enforce anything. I'm not
(14:50):
going to be held accountable. I knew whatever. I damn
well please, And then both physical and social disorder began
to expand and propagate. I think they're exactly right now.
Their account distinguished between chasing criminals and maintaining order, contending
that just routine, visible enforcement of norms and support for
(15:12):
community standards can prevent the sequence by which a minor
disorder begets more serious crime. Their emphasis was on restoring
signals of guardianship. What does that mean? Things like, oh,
I don't know, clearing the graffiti, fixing the windows, addressing
(15:33):
the low level in fractions, lettering, panhandling, begging, muggings, you know,
purse snatchings. That would mean that a neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Somebody I talked to you yesterday at the at the
food drive was an not to be named. I'm not
going to name him Denver cop who's main main area
of jurisdiction is downtown Denver, and I asked, hey, you know,
off the record, you know how bad is its? All
(16:11):
of the nonverbal signals were there to affirm what I
believe about downtown Denver. So what are we doing in
places like downtown Denver or light rail or the Chicago
Transit Authority or the light rail and Charlotte. Well, you're
indicating that neighborhoods are communicating that rules are known, but
(16:33):
they're not enforced. And when they're not enforced, then that means, hey,
you can just do whatever you want to do. Just
do whatever you want to do. Yeah, let's take a
break and I'll finish this on the other side of
the break. But I think that this is this whole
liberal idea of we keep seeing people that have rap
(16:57):
sheets a mile long.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's a broken window, Michael.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I'm waiting for the mainstream media to start blaming the
victim for being on her phone and not being aware
of her surroundings.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Three two, one, go, go.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Exactly now, think about this. So nineteen sixty nine, this
professor in Palo Alto at Stanford decides to conduct this
experiment nineteen sixty nine, and there we and then in
an Atlantic essay in nineteen eighty two they translated into
the broken windows theory. And now here we are in
(17:35):
twenty twenty five, and we.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
See it all around us. We see it everywhere.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
You see it in You know, one of my bugaboos
is how filthy the interstate highways are in Colorado. Not
necessarily in the rural areas, but you get into the
urban areas and they clean the media's what once every
six months or something, and you'll find all sorts of
debris in those medians. Or you go down to downtown Denver,
(18:06):
or you go anywhere, and all the little things are ignored.
And then we wonder why crime is rampant in places
like Colorado, because we know that the broken windows theory
is alive and well today in Colorado and in Chicago,
(18:28):
Los Angeles, New York, Charlotte, wherever you see these things
taking place. And it's all because judges and prosecutors and
quite frankly, we use the public. Don't demand that we
do that we take care of the little things. Oh
so it's your first defense and you rob the liquor store,
(18:49):
but you only took twenty bucks or you stole something
from the liquor store or whatever. Okay, so where's going
to give you probation?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Well, that just.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Encourages them that they know they're no consequence instance, no
consequences whatsoever. And we now have subsequent field studies that
extend this logic. When people encounter graffiti or litter, they
become more likely to violate the norms themselves, reinforcing the
idea that one single visible transgression invites another one. We
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synthesize all of the scholarly studies about this. It's described
as a developmental sequence by which unchecked physical and social
disorder directly and indirectly raises crime via weakened community control
and emboldened offenders.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Look around you, look around you today.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
So something that is first identified in nineteen sixty nine
is given a name in nineteen eighty two, and in
twenty twenty five. Here we are witnessing it all around
and people are going, we'll shusaim. What do I do?
You demand better of our society? You demand that politicians
(20:04):
actually enforced the law, that prosecutors prosecute, that cops arrest,
that they actually filed police reports, and then that judges
themselves actually impose penalties for the crimes that are committed.
Or you demand that mayors clean up the streets, that
they get the homeless off the street. I'm sorry, you
(20:27):
get the drug addicts, you get all of those people
off the streets that just continued to contribute. I pulled
up today to get my diet coke and I'm looking
around and at an intersection very near to the studio,
there is trash everywhere, and when I looked closely, couldn't
(20:50):
find any needles.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
But there were some drug vials, drug vials.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Like you know, if you've got one docking mount mens
clink and you take testosterings shots like I do, the
little the files of medicine. Who knows what it was,
baggies of stuff, trash everywhere. That's the signal to everybody
else that nobody cares, that nobody cares. The power of
(21:17):
broken windows lies in its intuitive claim that environments communicate norms.
So when you see, you know, a bunch of drug addled,
you know, nincompoops hanging around a light rail station in Denver,
then you know that there's likely.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
To be crime.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And when you look around and you see the or
you notice the absence of any law enforcement, then you
know that those drug addled nincompoops are empowered and are
going to be brazenly engaged in criminal activity. And then
we wonder why crime's out of control. Visible maintenance calibrated
(22:04):
norm enforcement is the only way to prevent these spirals
of decay that we are witnessing. Modern practices, modern practices
should stress balancing order. Obviously with civil liberties. I'm not
trying to saying that we need to abandon civil liberties,
but good grief with the modern practices that we're now
(22:26):
engaged in, with the modern practices that we're allowing to occur,
and with liberal Democrats absolutely allowing these things to take place.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And if you think that I'm being partisan, here go
look at Denver. Go look at you know. I've challenged
my earlier audience. I want to challenge this audience too.
You drive through.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Denver, but all you do is you just kind of
you know, you glance over and you see the mountains,
or you see the skyline, or you're busy focused on
the traffic in front of you. And then you pull
off the interstate and you try to drive through a
neighborhood or you try to get downtown to your business meeting,
and whatever you're doing, stop it and really observe, observe
(23:05):
your surroundings, do that situational awareness she referred to, and
you'll realize we're allowing the entire country in many particularly
in the urban areas, not so much in the rural areas,
but particularly in the urban areas, to become just gigantic
broken windows. That signals to anybody that has any proclivity
(23:31):
towards crime, And in fact, you don't even have to
have that proclivity toward crime, because the original nineteen sixty
nine experiment shows that even in a place like Silicon
Valley in Palo Alto, all it takes is for the
abandoned car to sit there for a week hood's open.
People just think, oh, somebody's you know, somebody's gonna eventually
come and get their car. But no, you take a
(23:52):
sledgehammer to it, you break a couple of windows, and
it's just like, have you ever seen an animal, If
you've never seen an animal die in the wild, or
you've come across an animal that has recently died like
within the past, you know, thirty minutes you'll see that
suddenly all the insects and worms and everything begin to
(24:12):
just consume that that body, that animal. The same is
true here when you see the broken window, when you
see that there is this absence of enforcement, all those
insects come out, even the decent insects realize, oh, there's
(24:32):
no accountability case. Surrah sarrah. The theory is still today
a touch tone in urban policy because it links the
mundane esthetics of public space to the psychology of rule
following and the sociology of community control. And we've completely
given up on that.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Good morning, Michael and Dragons.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
This is your favorite Jew Guber.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Hey, Mike was nice, Senior, Yes, Ray been good.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yes, Here's here's a story.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Me and my synagogue sometimes we go out and we
give out Israeli flags. It's Long's lake, and so people
like when one person takes a flag, that a person
after them takes a flag, and that person after them
takes a flag. And then when one person doesn't take
a flag, then the person behind them maybe sees it
and they will not take a flag. So it would
give the Israeli flags to a person like a person
(25:24):
behind her if they see him or her take the flag,
they were also most likely they will repeat that same thing.
And if they don't take the flag, then the person
behind them will also repeat that as well. I mean,
it's not one hundred percent, but it's a good ninety
percent of people that do that. They see, but one
person does it, and they do it, and they just follow.
They have no mind of their own.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
It's basically human behavior. By the ways, let me remind
everybody the text line for this program is three three
one zero three, keyword Mike or Michael. I don't read
the other text line. Guys, if you want to tell
me something three three one zero three three, I only
know that you've done it because Dragons.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Told me that.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Somebody says I just make you dumber. Well, why don't
you tell me that it's so I can make fun
of it.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Tell me that at three three one zero three, you
don't even have access to the other line.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
So so if you want to tell me that I
make you dumber, uh, tell me three three one zero three.
So here's why I can't find the SoundBite. It's unavailable.
Fox hasn't posted it, our clipping surface doesn't have it.
But Paul Merrow was on America's newsroom this morning as
I was driving in and he was. They were talking
about crime stats, but he happened to talk about the
(26:37):
subway system in New York City, which, by the way,
I'm proud to say that if all the thousands of
times I've been in New York.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I am I am going to die having never written
the New York City subway.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh, I've written the subways in Paris, the Tube in London,
I've written the subways all here on DC, all over
the world, but not in New York City. And now
I'm never going to But Paul described how that his
wife has as an example, was a starving artist or
maybe a you know, a striving actress or something, and
(27:08):
she would take jobs that would cause her to not
get off work until say midnight or after and she
would ride the subway back when they were young. He
says that does not happen today, and that women will
not take a job that requires them to work after, say,
(27:28):
anywhere from eleven to eleven PM to two am, because
they find the subway so incredibly dangerous, broken windows, because
there's no law enforcement. So therefore there's a cascading effect.
Because businesses can't find workers, particularly females, to serve, you know,
(27:49):
in a club or in a nightclub of some sort,
or as a wait person, they end up closing their doors.
They either go out of business or they cut back
on their hours because they can't find workers, and they
can't find workers because these people aren't riding the subway,
and then he went on to describe how bad the
crime is on the subway. It is the perfect example,
(28:12):
going all the way back to nineteen sixty nine to
nineteen eighty two to twenty twenty five, how broken windows
theory is alive and well, and it is the degradation
of American society. We are slowly but consistently becoming a
third world country. And it's the broken windows theory because
(28:34):
we keep liberals, in particular, keep electing these dumbass judges
and these really horrific prosecutors that will not enforce the law.
And then we elect mayors that decide that, oh, a
bike path is more important than making certain that, oh
that we have bridges that can actually carry fire trucks,
(28:55):
because in Denver, fire response time has been the intended
is longer in some areas because the fire trucks can't
cross the bridge. Is because they're so outdated and they're
too dangerous for the fire trucks to cross. Broken windows.
Why are we spending money on homelessness, illegal aliens, free this,
and free that, when instead we should be focusing on
(29:18):
the very basic functions that government is supposed to provide
and for which you pay taxes, and for our services
we're not getting. You can take this broken windows theory
and you can apply it to almost every aspect of
our current political situation. And the latest example of Chicago
(29:40):
and somebody pouring gas on a woman. So we had
a woman whose throat's been slipped, she dies right there.
Now we have a woman that has been doused with gasoline,
lit with a cigarette lighter, and everybody stands around and watches.
You need to play through your mind what you would
(30:03):
do in that situation. It's not theoretical, it's I want
you to actually play through in your mind what would
you do, because if you're going to stand around, you
might be part of the problem.
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