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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is it nine to thirty yet?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (00:03):
I can leave my radio WAF till nine twenty nine
and turn it on at nine thirty, or is it
I have to stay listening till my thirty I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Is it nine thirty?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Nye thirty nine thirty? Bye? It's been a week.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Almost it was Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Was it wednesday? Yeah? Okay, well we we haven't heard
earballs yet.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm surprised on that.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I expect anymoy And by the way, that's a good
rule of engagement too. We need him to redo his
well for sure.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Speaking of the rules of engagement, Dawn, you just left
three talkbacks to leave rules of engagements and filled up
all thirty seconds of each, So that means it's going
to be longer than the sixty No, go, my friend,
try and redo it to just two talkbacks, please and
thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
All right, so let's go back to and there's there's
a very specific reason why we've allowed this to happen,
and we're seeing that played out in real time right
now with the government shut down because Democrats believe that
they can use all the entitlement programs that we have,
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which accounts for way more than fifty percent of the
annual operating budget of the federal government. Most of the
federal government's budget is just transfer of money from hard
working taxpayers to other people. Not all are not just bums.
They're not all just people that you know. You have retirees,
you have you know, social Security, you have disability, you
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have Medicare, Medicaid transfer payments, transfer payments, and when you
have that, you create a working class. You actually can
kind of destroy the middle class, but you create a
working class that at some point becomes resentful of the
fact that you know, you're schlubbing away to work, you're
working your butt off, you're doing everything that you're supposed
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to do to take care of yourself and your family,
while others do not. And then when you look at
your withholding, you realize that everything that you pay in
federal taxes and for that matter, state taxes is still
not enough to cover all of the transfer payments. So
then we have to go borrow. And when we borrow,
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that reduces the value of the dollar and oftentimes means
that the debt grows larger and larger. Doesn't often it
always means the debt's going to grow larger larger and larger,
which means that your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren,
your great great grandchildren, and assuming that the Republic survives
that long, that they'll have to pay absolutely unbelievably burdens
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some taxes in order to deal with that, or will
default and will be like Argentina was going to be
until my life came on and started fixing everything. Then
that fits into the Cloward Pivens strategy because you have
overwhelmed the system and this is now. I truly believe
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that one. I think Democrats, I sincerely believe Democrats are
responsible for this shutdown, primarily because Democrats in the House
joined with Republicans and so there was bipartisan support in
the House of Representatives for this clean continuing resolution. They
send it to the Senate because the Senate has the
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filipbuster rule, which requires sixty votes to shut down debate.
They can't get the sixty votes because Democrats won't vote
for this. Because Democrats have believed, and they've always they've
assumed that you know what's that past performance is not
always indicative of future performance. Well, they believe that past
performances Republicans always get blamed for the shutdown, they'll get
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blamed for the shutdown again. So we're not going to
vote for this. Besides, we don't want to keep things
at and here's the key, we don't want to keep
things at the level of spending that Biden was spending,
which is exactly the same level. You know, if Biden
was spending one hundred dollars a year, this continuing Resolution
still spends one hundred dollars a year. Now, they may
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have changed some of the priorities, but the dollar amount
of spending stays the same. It is a constant amount.
There's no reduction in federal spending year. If you thought, oh,
since Republicans have control of the government, why they might
actually do spending, you idiot, How foolish of you to
think that. So Democrats believe once again we can blame
the Republicans, and even the Cabal will do that.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Interestingly, the Cabal is even beginning to back off and say,
because of the snap and the a, the whole food
stamp issue, they're becoming panic stricken. They're becoming panic stricken
because the Cabal knew long before that it was the
Democrats that were preventing the the invoking of stopping the
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debate so they could have a vote on this continuing resolution,
which if they just sixty votes to invoke cloture to
stop debate, you then only need a simple majority to
pass this clean resolution. So that's the procedural part that
we're at right now now. Insofar as abdicating your compassion
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to the government, I've said that for years, and then
Friday night, I'm just I don't know. Well, we've gotten
back so I'm able to watch the you know, the
six five point thirty or six o'clock version of katvr's
evening news, and I.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Hear this business owner says that he is taking the
problem of food insecurity into his own hands while the
government remains shut down.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
At Fox thy one's Ashley Michaels took a trip up
to Ford Collins to see what he's doing and the
impact it's having on the community.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Fridly Next butcher is not a food pantry. It's a
small business, but right now they're giving away some of
their products.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
For free originate. We're a whole.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Animal butcher shop. We break down whole animals, pork, beef,
and chicken.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
The sausages and steaks have become a staple for customers,
and it's heard that now has people lining up at
Friendly Nicks.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's frustrating for me to watch people go through food
and security, especially with my background where I've always cooked
for people.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
His idea started small.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I thought I could take five hundred bucks, and like,
I have access to me at wholesale prices, so I
can stretch that a lot farther than people would at
the grocery store. And I thought I could make I
don't know, fifty bags of meat.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
He posted on Facebook, chicken, beef, pork and eggs free
for federal workers who aren't getting paid and anyone on
Snap do.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You have your Snap card?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And the response, he says, has been eye opening.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The emotion on people's face when they get that and
they're how much like it really has to help them.
It's amazing. It's a great feeling, but it's also like,
why is it my job to do this? Like it
shouldn't be the government should be doing this.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Friendly Nicks has already given out about four hundred bags
of food before running out Friday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm happy that I can help. It's like disheartening to
see you hear that there are forty two million people
on Snap until they lined up outside your door. You know,
to put a face to that hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Now the community is pitching into help.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
As of Friday, a gofund me had already raised about
thirty thousand dollars. Nick says that money is now funding
a big movement. His small business didn't plan to start all.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
This money that we have. We're gonna keep putting out
these little packages even after the government's reopened, even after
Snap gets funded again. That way people can hopefully have
a little bit of reliefd That.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Go fundme is still active.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
If you'd like to help, we have a link to
it on our web.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Okay, he said. He said the quiet part out loud
that most people want to ignore.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Why is it my job to do this and the
government should be doing this?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Friendly wow and admission that. Now, let's back up a
little bit, he said. I can take five hundred dollars.
I can take five hundred dollars because I have access
to wholesale prices for meat, so I can make that
go further than the average person could at a grocery store.
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So I'm gonna take the five hundred dollars and I'm
gonna make small bags of meat checking eggs, and then
I'm going to give those away to federal workers. Show
me a federal ID or show me that you have
a snap card, and I will give you a small
package of food for free, well without cost to you.
He's paying for it obviously five hundred dollars. But then
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after saying, you know, makes me mad that I'm doing this.
The government should be doing this. Now he's doing what
he started to go fund me, and he's going to
continue to do that post reopening of the federal government. Now,
I don't know this guy from Adam. He's doing a
great thing, and in fact, he's now recognizing that, oh
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wait a minute, I could keep doing this. I can
take five hundred dollars out of my out of my business.
You know, it's probably not going to kill his business
or kill his profit. It is five hundred dollars. But
he's doing something, by the way, that would be tax
deductible too, so he can take that five hundred dollars off.
It's certainly part of his cost to doing business, so
he can reduce his his profit. He can reduce his
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income by five hundred dollars by doing this. But then
he started to go fund me, and now he's going
to continue it past the shut down. Well, then why
are you upset about and why are you claiming that
this responsibility the government to do this when you're doing
it yourself. It really isn't the responsibility of the government.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's amazing, it's a great feeling, but it's also like,
why is it my job to do this? Like it
shouldn't be the government should be doing this.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Friendly neck.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
See, this is where he and I are miles apart.
He's way over here on one side and I'm way
over here on the other side. Now, what's the name
of this place? Nick's Booker's Nick's butcher in Fort Collins.
If every individual, if every person that owns a business,
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whether it's a butcher shop or anything else, if we
all decided that it was not the role of the government,
because government can't be compassionate, and government is obviously think
about let's think about the economics, and they value the
five hundred dollars that he spends to put a little
bag of food together. So he takes five hundred dollars
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out of the till. Now with that, he's got to
buy a little extra meat or just take whatever meat
he currently has, and he's going to take that. He
already has the cost of the bags and the wrapping
paper and everything else, because that's what he does. He
packages meat to give to people that come in and
pay for it. So when he takes five hundred dollars
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and sets that aside and then puts that in bags
that he's already purchasing, now he might have to increase
the number of bags that he purchases, particularly with the
go fundme, which means that his cost may increase. But
oh he's got to go fund me, he can actually
offset that cost. The point being this, if he takes
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five hundred dollars and he's buying meat at wholesale, he's
getting more than five hundred dollars worth of meat. They
would sell it retail. So his dollar, his five hundred dollars,
is more than just one hundred percent efficient. It's actually
more than one hundred percent efficient because he's got it
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at a lower cost and he has no distribution costs.
He has his sacks and his wrapper, which he is
already purchasing, so he might have a little bit of
a delta, not much, but a slight deal don't increase
of the cost there, and then people come to him
and get it. He has no distribution issues, he has
no additional cost. That is the most efficient way to
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provide to people. Whereas if I gave five hundred dollars,
I pay five hundred dollars in taxes to the federal government.
It gets eaten up by all of the administrative costs.
It gets eaten up by paying the salaries and the
benefits and everything else of all of all of the
employees that handle that five hundred dollars that I pay
in taxes, and then it gets sent down to the states,
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and then they eat up some of what's left of
the five hundred dollars. Then they eat some of that
up with all of their personnel costs and their benefits,
and then they spread it out and it goes into
a local food bank. And the local food bank has
its cost, particularly if it's one that is operating. I
know it's nonprofit, but they may still pay people to
do Now they have volunteers, but they also have paid people,
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so they pay them. So all of that five hundred
dollars gets whittled down and finis it finally gets to
we're gonna go purchase something. I know the government has
huge purchasing power, but you've already limited that five hundred
dollars total less than five hundred dollars. Now, I'm I'm befuddled.
I'm truly befuddled. If he thinks let's stop and analyze
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what he said for a moment, if he really thinks
he's mad, because he has to be doing this and
it's the responsibility of the federal government, because I'd have
a simple question for him, then why are you continuing
to do it?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Why?
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Why?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Why'd you start to go fund me? You got, you
got a lot of native advertising. Why KATVR has run
this story still on their website. I mentioned the name
of the company a dozen times now, Nick's Butcher Butcher.
I announced it to three hundred and fifty stations all
across the country yesterday or Saturday, and now I've announced
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it to all of you all over the country, and
again all the local audience. Nicks Butcher in Fort Collins, Yeah,
if I were near Fort Collins, I'd go and I'd
buy something. Absolutely, even though his politics may be the
exact opposite of mine, I don't know, I don't care,
and you know, why I don't care, because he's doing
what we should all be doing, and that's taking care
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of each other and not asking the federal government to
do it. The government is inefficient, it's ineffective, and then
when it shuts down, then we have all of this
commotion that is completely and totally unnecessary. But Democrats want that.
The Democrats truly want this. Oh, they'll deny it. They'll
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talk about the starving children, that distant, the babies, people
are gonna die of starvation, YadA, YadA, YadA. They're gonna
go on that until ad infinitum, ad nauseum. They're gonna
keep doing it when all they have to do is
five of them joined with the Republicans and vote to
end debate, and then the Republicans could pass the bill,
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you know, fifty to fifty. JD. Vans can step in
as the vice president, break the tie fifty one to
fifty and boom, you've got it done. Or the Democrats
one Democrat or are just all sorry. All Republican senators
could vote for the bill, pass it fifty three to
forty seven, in boom, it's over with. So the Democrats
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are the ones that are keeping the government shut down
because the dirty little secret is they want people to
be hungry, they want people to be stressed out, they
want people to get mad because they believe that that
anger is going to be directed toward Republicans. So they're
using politics. They're using hunger and food as a political
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weapon to try to get what they want. And what
they want.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
Is a.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Halloween bag full of candy of things that are not
in the Continuing Resolution, but which they want to add
and even increase the spending above and beyond what Biden
was spending and in hopes when I played the stories
Friday Thursday Friday on this program last week about the
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people complaining that, you know, they can't feed their kids,
they can't get the snacks, they're gonna start stealing, and
when woman did a TikTok video where she actually showed
us what she stole from the grocery store. The Democrats,
they'll never admit this publicly, but they want that to happen.
They want the absolute collapse of society because when they
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get that kind of collapse and that kind of overwhelming
of the system, that means that people, including conservatives, will
start clamoring for Oh my gosh, somebody get control of this,
Somebody take charge, somebody impose law and order, somebody shut
this down, and pretty soon now you're in tyranny, and
Cloward Piven has been fulfilled. That's what's going on. That's
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exactly what's going on. But when I say, as I've
said for years, that the reason we're in this situation
is because too many people don't want to take either
the let me be objective, let me be honest here.
Some people can't afford to tithe to their church, or
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to give ten percent or whatever it is to a
charitable organization, or to give anything because they're so tapped out.
And I'm not going to sit here and try to
rationalize every single circumstance, but some people pay. If you
knew what I paid in taxes and then realize that
if I had even half that money back, I could
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substantially increase what I give to charitable organizations. But I
don't because I give based on what I can afford,
based upon my lifestyle. Knowing how much the government's going
to take out of my paycheck every week, or that
if I sell some stock, but the capital gains is
going to be on that stock, I calculate all of
that income, so that I know where I am financially,
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and it limits what I can do. It doesn't just
limit what I can do in terms of jedable organizations.
It limits what I can do just in terms of
a consumer economy and consume. So I don't consume. I
still invest, but that could increase. Also, we do it
to ourselves and you know.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
It, Michael Kenny nick s. Butcher has got it right.
It is the way charity was taken care of for
eons before the government decided to muck it all up.
And not only is he doing it right. That is
the best meat I have ever eaten. I've shot there
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and it is so good.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I was going to move on, but your comment, your
talk back, I'm I'm not sure I agree with you.
Listen to it again and this time when you hear
him speak, listen to him get emotional when he talks
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about the people showing up.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Poops.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm sorry, got it said, Double click there, Michael. Listening
to something else here we.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Go is that he is taking the problem of food
insecurity into his own hands while the government remains shut down.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
At Fox three one's Ashley Michaels took a trip up
to Fort Collins to see what he's doing and the
impact it's having on the community.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Friendly Nicks Butcher is not a food pantry. It's a
small business, but right now they're giving away some of
their products for free.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We're a whole animal butcher shop. We break down whole animals, pork, beef,
and chicken.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
The sausages and steaks have become a staple for customers
and it's heard that now has people lining up at
Friendly Nicks.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's frustrating for me to watch people go through food insecurity.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Now, I believe him, just frustrating for me to see that.
I also recognize that we have way too many people
who've become dependent upon that and there is no incentive,
no incentive to get off. In fact, the incentive lies
with just like in the homelessness industry, the incentive lies
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with you know, for example, the Trailhead Institute, the fewer
people on snap or wig, the less money they receive,
the less likely they can stay in business. And then
that's true for all of their partners that they then
dole the money out to those people, so it becomes
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a self fulfilling prophecy. They want to keep hungry people
around so that they can stay in business. They're not
trying to in words, they're not trying to get people
out of hunger. They're not trying to get people away
from food, deserts or whatever you want to however you
want to phrase it. Because their very livelihood depends upon it.
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They're disincentivized.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Especially with my background where I've always.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Cooked for people.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
His idea started small.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I thought I could take five hundred bucks and like,
I have access to meet at wholesale prices, so I
can stretch out a lot farther than people would at
the grocery store, and I thought I could make I
don't know, fifty bags of meeting.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
He posted on Facebook chicken, beef, pork and eggs free
for federal workers who are getting paid and anyone on
snap do you.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Have your ear snap card?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And the response, he says, has been eye opening.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
The emotion on people's face when they get that in there,
how much like it really has cut them.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
He's starting to get emotional, well good because he's seen
and this is what this is why may get lost
in my conversation about this, I actually feel sorry for
people that are struggling to put food on the table.
But I also you can have these You can have
these two thoughts in your head simultaneously, and that is
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you can feel sorry for them, you can have empathy
and even sympathy for them, and you can want to
do something for them at the same time that you
recognize that we've created this problem, if we've exacerbated the problem.
I don't think he ever quite gets there.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's amazing. It's a great feeling, but it's.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Also like, it's a great feeling, but you know my
rule about but yeah, you know, your new haircut looks
really good, but I think I would do this this
or that. You know that that shirt looks really good,
but you know it gives me a really good feeling.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But I is my job to do this, like it
shouldn't be the government should be doing this.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Friendly Nick, just let.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
That simmer for a moment. He believes that, well, it
makes him feel good, and I acknowledge that makes him
feel good. He doesn't believe he should be doing it.
I don't think you should be forced to do it either.
He's doing this because he has, As he says, I've
always been around, you know, cooking and feeding people. That's
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my profession. And so that's what I chose to do.
But but it's not my job. I'm doing it because
it makes me feel good.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Already given out about four hundred bags of food before
running out Friday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm happy that I can help. It's like disheartening to
see you hear that there are forty two million people
on step until they lined up outside your door. Hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
There's really something insightful that I don't think he realizes.
He said, So, we've got forty two million people or
whatever the number is on food stamps snap. But you
never think about that because one that's hidden from you.
It's hidden, and we've made it so that it remains hidden.
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So unless you're looking, when the person in front of
you is paying for their groceries, how they're paying for
their groceries, you don't know. So it becomes a nameless,
faceless bureaucracy, a nameless, faceless problem. So it's really easy.
It's very easy for people to say, well, yeah, that's
you know, it's not it's not my job. That's the
government's job. I pay my taxes, I expect the government
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to go do that. Well, guess what your taxes, don't
you don't pay. You do not pay enough taxes to
pay for all of the stuff that we're spending money on.
You're not, and that's going to destroy the republic. And
you're actually with your tax dollars, you're actually supporting and
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incentivizing organizations like the Trailhead Institute, just like you do
with any of the With the homeless industry, it's the
same thing here. We create these so called air quote
here industry trees that only survive as long as they
have people that they can designate as homeless or hungry.
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And when they can do that, the government will continue
to feed them, and Democrats will continue to confess sorry,
politicians of all stripes will continue to campaign on I'm
going to get this more and more money for this
program because we have more and more people that are hungry,
we have more people that are homeless. We are self
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fulfilling prophecies by disincentivizing anything or incentivizing anybody to get
off these programs, and that people who administer them are
certainly disincentivized to do anything about it. They continue to
make more money and get more money as long as
more hungry people come to them, And quite frankly, what
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we've done is we've made the qualification and the requalification
easier and easier and easier.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You know, to put a face to that.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's hard to put a face to that. It's hard. Yes,
That's why you abdicate your compassion to the government because
you don't have to deal with it. You don't have
to face it. You don't have to decide, you know,
at the end of you know, every pay period, am
I going to give ten dollars, twenty dollars, one thousand
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dollars whatever it is to a local food bank or
to a local church who has you know, the place
in the church where they give out clothing or they
give out food, or they you know, or they have
programs to help people find jobs or to help them
to transit. You know, they're trying to get back to
some place where they you know, if I can only
move to if I can only get to Nevada, I've
got I've got a job waiting in Nevada, but I
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don't have enough money to get a bus to get there.
We take these problems steralyze them, and then we isolate
ourselves from them, and then the government grows and grows
and grows, and the politicians abuse it, and they use
it and abuse it to keep themselves in power. And
then when he's confronted with it, Oh, I put to
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you what he put together, forty or fifty bags and
suddenly all gone. Then then when he sees the faces
of the.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
People, now the community is pitching in the help.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
As of Friday, a gofund me had already raised about
thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Which tells me that the adage that this is the
most giving country in the world is absolutely true. But
we don't do it except when it gets thrown in
our faces. So when we get struck with, you know,
a hurricane or a tornado, or some natural or man
made disaster, then we all chip in. Otherwise we just
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bury our heads because the government's taking care of that.
The government's doing this, the government's doing that. The more
you allow that to happen, the stronger, larger, more powerful,
and influential and intractable. Not only will the problems become,
but so will the so called agencies or departments that
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are designed to alleviate the problem. Although I would argue
they're not really designed to alleviate the problem. They're just
designed to finance the problem. That's what they're doing. It's
like some subprime lender somewhere just you know, just keep churning.
You know, you gotta you've got a note car lot,
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so you sell a car, so somebody doesn't really have
any credit. They have to they got to pay, you know,
one hundred dollars a week. And if you don't come,
you know, if you don't pay your hundred dollars a
week in cash, we're going to come and repo your car. Well,
it's the same thing here. They're just acting like a
note car lot. They're just they're just keeping you churning
and keeping you incentivized to keep paying that one hundred
dollars to keep coming back. Don't try to do anything,
you know. And Dragon mentioned something on Friday that I
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think I failed to get back to, and that is
we don't, for some reason, we don't allow a step up.
So and by that, I mean when somebody gets a
raise and they earn fifty cents more an hour than Boom,
that cuts them off because they've now crossed some artificial
threshold that the government has set. Well, why don't you
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reduce by just a little bit As they start to
increase their income and wean them off. We don't do that.
And you know why we don't do that because the
government's not compassion. The government cannot set up a system
that on a case by case basic you can figure out, Oh,
he's got a job, he's earning. You know, he's earning
(29:42):
I don't know whatever it is now, but that's going
to put him over the edge. But you know, let's
give him some time to make sure he can stay
in that job. Let's reduce the benefits by a little
bit to incentivize him to work really hard at keeping
that job. And what bureaucrat in the right mind is
going to spend time doing that. A single one, a church,
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or a private and privately funded charity might have the time,
the energy, and the resources to do it. The government
simply does not.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
We need to mimic some of the things the deems do,
including changing language. Some of the language we absolutely need
to change. Is anything that says government funded or free
needs to be changed to legal taxpayers fund it. Let's
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see how that goes over, because that is the truth.
Nothing is government funded. Nothing is free.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
As you can tell by the amount of time that
I've spent on this topic for the past well Friday,
then on the National Show Saturday, and then again this morning.
I want to make sure you understand that it's not
that I'm not sympathetic. It's not that I feel badly
for people who find themselves in these situations. And I
(31:02):
fully understand that oftentimes people find these themselves in these situations.
And I'm not going to say that it's not their
fault because usually you know, you lose a job, well,
that truly may not be your fault. The company may
be downsizing so you get riffed, or you may lose
your job because of poor performance and you haven't done
(31:26):
the kind of saving or investment or you know, putting
side for a rainy day. Many people live paycheck to paycheck.
They don't have any assets, they don't there's there's it's
it's such a complex story. But because it's complex, and
then you add on to the complexity emotion, and then
(31:49):
you add on to the complexity the emotion that we're
talking about real people with real lives. It's a very
difficult conversation to have, and that's shown by his emotion.
Nick the Butcher when he realizes that he put out
forty to fifty bags whatever it was, and those were gone.
And then he saw and then he sees the faces
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of those individuals, and now he's oh, now I'm still
mad at his He says, I'm still mad that I'm
doing this. I shouldn't have to be doing this the government.
You have to be doing that. That is the first.
That's almost like an alcoholic. You have to first admit
that you have a problem. And I don't think that
Nick's at the point where he must admit that we
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have a problem because his solution while he is taking
on some additional responsibility, personal responsibility himself through his business
to try to help people, and I applaud that, and
I think that is great, but he still falls back
on but this is really not my problem. I'm only
doing this because I feel badly and doing it makes
me feel good. Well, let me ask you, does it.
(32:55):
Does it make you feel good? If the Democrats finally
vote to reopen and the benefits get reinstated, and they
go back to the status quo and nothing changes, do
you still feel good because those people won't show up
in your butcher shop anymore, because now they're going to
go to the grocery store and use their EBT cards
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and they're going to either buy goods or use the cash.
You get whatever they want, and suddenly, well we'll go
right back to the same old samo. I think this
this situation today with food stamps, food stamps, snap Wick,
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all of these, all these entitlement programs, and by the way,
speaking in language that bugs me, entitlement programs. The only
entitlement program I think to truly exist is Social Security.
Why because people themselves have taken their own hard earned
money and put it into it, they are entitled to
get that money back. People who have not participated in
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the system and have not paid paid taxes, or they
have paid taxes for a short period of time and
then gone onto these programs are not necessarily entitled to
those benefits. But by law we have made it so.
So you want to change the language, I would change
that language. It just seems to me that we ought
to have an honest conversation about what we're doing with
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our tax dollars. Otherwise, will never ever solve. Hunger will
never ever The Bible tells us the poor in the hunger,
you will always be among us. The question, then, is
who should be taking care of them, well, we should
not the government. The government simply cannot be compassionate and
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won't be. Oh trust me, they won't be either,
Is it nine to thirty yet?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (00:03):
Wait?
Speaker 4 (00:03):
I can leave my radio WAF till nine twenty nine
and turn it on at nine thirty, or is it
I have to stay listening till my thirty I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Is it nine thirty?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Nye thirty nine thirty? Bye? It's been a week.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Almost it was Wednesday?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Was it wednesday? Yeah? Okay, well we we haven't heard
earballs yet.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I'm surprised on that.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I expect anymoy And by the way, that's a good
rule of engagement too. We need him to redo his
well for sure.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Speaking of the rules of engagement, Dawn, you just left
three talkbacks to leave rules of engagements and filled up
all thirty seconds of each, So that means it's going
to be longer than the sixty No, go, my friend,
try and redo it to just two talkbacks, please and
thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
All right, so let's go back to and there's there's
a very specific reason why we've allowed this to happen,
and we're seeing that played out in real time right
now with the government shut down because Democrats believe that
they can use all the entitlement programs that we have,
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which accounts for way more than fifty percent of the
annual operating budget of the federal government. Most of the
federal government's budget is just transfer of money from hard
working taxpayers to other people. Not all are not just bums.
They're not all just people that you know. You have retirees,
you have you know, social Security, you have disability, you
(01:40):
have Medicare, Medicaid transfer payments, transfer payments, and when you
have that, you create a working class. You actually can
kind of destroy the middle class, but you create a
working class that at some point becomes resentful of the
fact that you know, you're schlubbing away to work, you're
working your butt off, you're doing everything that you're supposed
(02:03):
to do to take care of yourself and your family,
while others do not. And then when you look at
your withholding, you realize that everything that you pay in
federal taxes and for that matter, state taxes is still
not enough to cover all of the transfer payments. So
then we have to go borrow. And when we borrow,
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that reduces the value of the dollar and oftentimes means
that the debt grows larger and larger. Doesn't often it
always means the debt's going to grow larger larger and larger,
which means that your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren,
your great great grandchildren, and assuming that the Republic survives
that long, that they'll have to pay absolutely unbelievably burdens
(02:49):
some taxes in order to deal with that, or will
default and will be like Argentina was going to be
until my life came on and started fixing everything. Then
that fits into the Cloward Pivens strategy because you have
overwhelmed the system and this is now. I truly believe
(03:12):
that one. I think Democrats, I sincerely believe Democrats are
responsible for this shutdown, primarily because Democrats in the House
joined with Republicans and so there was bipartisan support in
the House of Representatives for this clean continuing resolution. They
send it to the Senate because the Senate has the
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filipbuster rule, which requires sixty votes to shut down debate.
They can't get the sixty votes because Democrats won't vote
for this. Because Democrats have believed, and they've always they've
assumed that you know what's that past performance is not
always indicative of future performance. Well, they believe that past
performances Republicans always get blamed for the shutdown, they'll get
(03:54):
blamed for the shutdown again. So we're not going to
vote for this. Besides, we don't want to keep things
at and here's the key, we don't want to keep
things at the level of spending that Biden was spending,
which is exactly the same level. You know, if Biden
was spending one hundred dollars a year, this continuing Resolution
still spends one hundred dollars a year. Now, they may
(04:15):
have changed some of the priorities, but the dollar amount
of spending stays the same. It is a constant amount.
There's no reduction in federal spending year. If you thought, oh,
since Republicans have control of the government, why they might
actually do spending, you idiot, How foolish of you to
think that. So Democrats believe once again we can blame
the Republicans, and even the Cabal will do that.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Interestingly, the Cabal is even beginning to back off and say,
because of the snap and the a, the whole food
stamp issue, they're becoming panic stricken. They're becoming panic stricken
because the Cabal knew long before that it was the
Democrats that were preventing the the invoking of stopping the
(05:02):
debate so they could have a vote on this continuing resolution,
which if they just sixty votes to invoke cloture to
stop debate, you then only need a simple majority to
pass this clean resolution. So that's the procedural part that
we're at right now now. Insofar as abdicating your compassion
(05:25):
to the government, I've said that for years, and then
Friday night, I'm just I don't know. Well, we've gotten
back so I'm able to watch the you know, the
six five point thirty or six o'clock version of katvr's
evening news, and I.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Hear this business owner says that he is taking the
problem of food insecurity into his own hands while the
government remains shut down.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
At Fox thy one's Ashley Michaels took a trip up
to Ford Collins to see what he's doing and the
impact it's having on the community.
Speaker 7 (05:58):
Fridly Next butcher is not a food pantry. It's a
small business, but right now they're giving away some of
their products.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
For free originate. We're a whole.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Animal butcher shop. We break down whole animals, pork, beef,
and chicken.
Speaker 7 (06:09):
The sausages and steaks have become a staple for customers,
and it's heard that now has people lining up at
Friendly Nicks.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's frustrating for me to watch people go through food
and security, especially with my background where I've always cooked
for people.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
His idea started small.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I thought I could take five hundred bucks, and like,
I have access to me at wholesale prices, so I
can stretch that a lot farther than people would at
the grocery store. And I thought I could make I
don't know, fifty bags of meat.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
He posted on Facebook, chicken, beef, pork and eggs free
for federal workers who aren't getting paid and anyone on
Snap do.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You have your Snap card?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And the response, he says, has been eye opening.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The emotion on people's face when they get that and
they're how much like it really has to help them.
It's amazing. It's a great feeling, but it's also like,
why is it my job to do this? Like it
shouldn't be the government should be doing this.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Friendly Nicks has already given out about four hundred bags
of food before running out Friday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I'm happy that I can help. It's like disheartening to
see you hear that there are forty two million people
on Snap until they lined up outside your door. You know,
to put a face to that hard. It's hard.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Now the community is pitching into help.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
As of Friday, a gofund me had already raised about
thirty thousand dollars. Nick says that money is now funding
a big movement. His small business didn't plan to start all.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
This money that we have. We're gonna keep putting out
these little packages even after the government's reopened, even after
Snap gets funded again. That way people can hopefully have
a little bit of reliefd That.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Go fundme is still active.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
If you'd like to help, we have a link to
it on our web.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Okay, he said. He said the quiet part out loud
that most people want to ignore.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Why is it my job to do this and the
government should be doing this?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Friendly wow and admission that. Now, let's back up a
little bit, he said. I can take five hundred dollars.
I can take five hundred dollars because I have access
to wholesale prices for meat, so I can make that
go further than the average person could at a grocery store.
(08:22):
So I'm gonna take the five hundred dollars and I'm
gonna make small bags of meat checking eggs, and then
I'm going to give those away to federal workers. Show
me a federal ID or show me that you have
a snap card, and I will give you a small
package of food for free, well without cost to you.
He's paying for it obviously five hundred dollars. But then
(08:44):
after saying, you know, makes me mad that I'm doing this.
The government should be doing this. Now he's doing what
he started to go fund me, and he's going to
continue to do that post reopening of the federal government. Now,
I don't know this guy from Adam. He's doing a
great thing, and in fact, he's now recognizing that, oh
(09:05):
wait a minute, I could keep doing this. I can
take five hundred dollars out of my out of my business.
You know, it's probably not going to kill his business
or kill his profit. It is five hundred dollars. But
he's doing something, by the way, that would be tax
deductible too, so he can take that five hundred dollars off.
It's certainly part of his cost to doing business, so
he can reduce his his profit. He can reduce his
(09:28):
income by five hundred dollars by doing this. But then
he started to go fund me, and now he's going
to continue it past the shut down. Well, then why
are you upset about and why are you claiming that
this responsibility the government to do this when you're doing
it yourself. It really isn't the responsibility of the government.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's amazing, it's a great feeling, but it's also like,
why is it my job to do this? Like it
shouldn't be the government should be doing this.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Friendly neck.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
See, this is where he and I are miles apart.
He's way over here on one side and I'm way
over here on the other side. Now, what's the name
of this place? Nick's Booker's Nick's butcher in Fort Collins.
If every individual, if every person that owns a business,
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whether it's a butcher shop or anything else, if we
all decided that it was not the role of the government,
because government can't be compassionate, and government is obviously think
about let's think about the economics, and they value the
five hundred dollars that he spends to put a little
bag of food together. So he takes five hundred dollars
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out of the till. Now with that, he's got to
buy a little extra meat or just take whatever meat
he currently has, and he's going to take that. He
already has the cost of the bags and the wrapping
paper and everything else, because that's what he does. He
packages meat to give to people that come in and
pay for it. So when he takes five hundred dollars
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and sets that aside and then puts that in bags
that he's already purchasing, now he might have to increase
the number of bags that he purchases, particularly with the
go fundme, which means that his cost may increase. But
oh he's got to go fund me, he can actually
offset that cost. The point being this, if he takes
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five hundred dollars and he's buying meat at wholesale, he's
getting more than five hundred dollars worth of meat. They
would sell it retail. So his dollar, his five hundred dollars,
is more than just one hundred percent efficient. It's actually
more than one hundred percent efficient because he's got it
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at a lower cost and he has no distribution costs.
He has his sacks and his wrapper, which he is
already purchasing, so he might have a little bit of
a delta, not much, but a slight deal don't increase
of the cost there, and then people come to him
and get it. He has no distribution issues, he has
no additional cost. That is the most efficient way to
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provide to people. Whereas if I gave five hundred dollars,
I pay five hundred dollars in taxes to the federal government.
It gets eaten up by all of the administrative costs.
It gets eaten up by paying the salaries and the
benefits and everything else of all of all of the
employees that handle that five hundred dollars that I pay
in taxes, and then it gets sent down to the states,
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and then they eat up some of what's left of
the five hundred dollars. Then they eat some of that
up with all of their personnel costs and their benefits,
and then they spread it out and it goes into
a local food bank. And the local food bank has
its cost, particularly if it's one that is operating. I
know it's nonprofit, but they may still pay people to
do Now they have volunteers, but they also have paid people,
(12:45):
so they pay them. So all of that five hundred
dollars gets whittled down and finis it finally gets to
we're gonna go purchase something. I know the government has
huge purchasing power, but you've already limited that five hundred
dollars total less than five hundred dollars. Now, I'm I'm befuddled.
I'm truly befuddled. If he thinks let's stop and analyze
(13:08):
what he said for a moment, if he really thinks
he's mad, because he has to be doing this and
it's the responsibility of the federal government, because I'd have
a simple question for him, then why are you continuing
to do it?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Why?
Speaker 8 (13:22):
Why?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Why'd you start to go fund me? You got, you
got a lot of native advertising. Why KATVR has run
this story still on their website. I mentioned the name
of the company a dozen times now, Nick's Butcher Butcher.
I announced it to three hundred and fifty stations all
across the country yesterday or Saturday, and now I've announced
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it to all of you all over the country, and
again all the local audience. Nicks Butcher in Fort Collins, Yeah,
if I were near Fort Collins, I'd go and I'd
buy something. Absolutely, even though his politics may be the
exact opposite of mine, I don't know, I don't care,
and you know, why I don't care, because he's doing
what we should all be doing, and that's taking care
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of each other and not asking the federal government to
do it. The government is inefficient, it's ineffective, and then
when it shuts down, then we have all of this
commotion that is completely and totally unnecessary. But Democrats want that.
The Democrats truly want this. Oh, they'll deny it. They'll
(14:27):
talk about the starving children, that distant, the babies, people
are gonna die of starvation, YadA, YadA, YadA. They're gonna
go on that until ad infinitum, ad nauseum. They're gonna
keep doing it when all they have to do is
five of them joined with the Republicans and vote to
end debate, and then the Republicans could pass the bill,
(14:47):
you know, fifty to fifty. JD. Vans can step in
as the vice president, break the tie fifty one to
fifty and boom, you've got it done. Or the Democrats
one Democrat or are just all sorry. All Republican senators
could vote for the bill, pass it fifty three to
forty seven, in boom, it's over with. So the Democrats
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are the ones that are keeping the government shut down
because the dirty little secret is they want people to
be hungry, they want people to be stressed out, they
want people to get mad because they believe that that
anger is going to be directed toward Republicans. So they're
using politics. They're using hunger and food as a political
(15:34):
weapon to try to get what they want. And what
they want.
Speaker 9 (15:39):
Is a.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Halloween bag full of candy of things that are not
in the Continuing Resolution, but which they want to add
and even increase the spending above and beyond what Biden
was spending and in hopes when I played the stories
Friday Thursday Friday on this program last week about the
(16:04):
people complaining that, you know, they can't feed their kids,
they can't get the snacks, they're gonna start stealing, and
when woman did a TikTok video where she actually showed
us what she stole from the grocery store. The Democrats,
they'll never admit this publicly, but they want that to happen.
They want the absolute collapse of society because when they
(16:26):
get that kind of collapse and that kind of overwhelming
of the system, that means that people, including conservatives, will
start clamoring for Oh my gosh, somebody get control of this,
Somebody take charge, somebody impose law and order, somebody shut
this down, and pretty soon now you're in tyranny, and
Cloward Piven has been fulfilled. That's what's going on. That's
(16:50):
exactly what's going on. But when I say, as I've
said for years, that the reason we're in this situation
is because too many people don't want to take either
the let me be objective, let me be honest here.
Some people can't afford to tithe to their church, or
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to give ten percent or whatever it is to a
charitable organization, or to give anything because they're so tapped out.
And I'm not going to sit here and try to
rationalize every single circumstance, but some people pay. If you
knew what I paid in taxes and then realize that
if I had even half that money back, I could
(17:36):
substantially increase what I give to charitable organizations. But I
don't because I give based on what I can afford,
based upon my lifestyle. Knowing how much the government's going
to take out of my paycheck every week, or that
if I sell some stock, but the capital gains is
going to be on that stock, I calculate all of
that income, so that I know where I am financially,
(18:01):
and it limits what I can do. It doesn't just
limit what I can do in terms of jedable organizations.
It limits what I can do just in terms of
a consumer economy and consume. So I don't consume. I
still invest, but that could increase. Also, we do it
to ourselves and you know.
Speaker 9 (18:22):
It, Michael Kenny nick s. Butcher has got it right.
It is the way charity was taken care of for
eons before the government decided to muck it all up.
And not only is he doing it right. That is
the best meat I have ever eaten. I've shot there
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and it is so good.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I was going to move on, but your comment, your
talk back, I'm I'm not sure I agree with you.
Listen to it again and this time when you hear
him speak, listen to him get emotional when he talks
(19:07):
about the people showing up.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Poops.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I'm sorry, got it said, Double click there, Michael. Listening
to something else here we.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Go is that he is taking the problem of food
insecurity into his own hands while the government remains shut down.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
At Fox three one's Ashley Michaels took a trip up
to Fort Collins to see what he's doing and the
impact it's having on the community.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Friendly Nicks Butcher is not a food pantry. It's a
small business, but right now they're giving away some of
their products for free.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We're a whole animal butcher shop. We break down whole animals, pork, beef,
and chicken.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
The sausages and steaks have become a staple for customers
and it's heard that now has people lining up at
Friendly Nicks.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's frustrating for me to watch people go through food insecurity.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Now, I believe him, just frustrating for me to see that.
I also recognize that we have way too many people
who've become dependent upon that and there is no incentive,
no incentive to get off. In fact, the incentive lies
with just like in the homelessness industry, the incentive lies
(20:17):
with you know, for example, the Trailhead Institute, the fewer
people on snap or wig, the less money they receive,
the less likely they can stay in business. And then
that's true for all of their partners that they then
dole the money out to those people, so it becomes
(20:39):
a self fulfilling prophecy. They want to keep hungry people
around so that they can stay in business. They're not
trying to in words, they're not trying to get people
out of hunger. They're not trying to get people away
from food, deserts or whatever you want to however you
want to phrase it. Because their very livelihood depends upon it.
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They're disincentivized.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Especially with my background where I've always.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Cooked for people.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
His idea started small.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I thought I could take five hundred bucks and like,
I have access to meet at wholesale prices, so I
can stretch out a lot farther than people would at
the grocery store, and I thought I could make I
don't know, fifty bags of meeting.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
He posted on Facebook chicken, beef, pork and eggs free
for federal workers who are getting paid and anyone on
snap do you.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Have your ear snap card?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And the response, he says, has been eye opening.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
The emotion on people's face when they get that in there,
how much like it really has cut them.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
He's starting to get emotional, well good because he's seen
and this is what this is why may get lost
in my conversation about this, I actually feel sorry for
people that are struggling to put food on the table.
But I also you can have these You can have
these two thoughts in your head simultaneously, and that is
(22:04):
you can feel sorry for them, you can have empathy
and even sympathy for them, and you can want to
do something for them at the same time that you
recognize that we've created this problem, if we've exacerbated the problem.
I don't think he ever quite gets there.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's amazing. It's a great feeling, but it's.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Also like, it's a great feeling, but you know my
rule about but yeah, you know, your new haircut looks
really good, but I think I would do this this
or that. You know that that shirt looks really good,
but you know it gives me a really good feeling.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But I is my job to do this, like it
shouldn't be the government should be doing this.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Friendly Nick, just let.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
That simmer for a moment. He believes that, well, it
makes him feel good, and I acknowledge that makes him
feel good. He doesn't believe he should be doing it.
I don't think you should be forced to do it either.
He's doing this because he has, As he says, I've
always been around, you know, cooking and feeding people. That's
(23:15):
my profession. And so that's what I chose to do.
But but it's not my job. I'm doing it because
it makes me feel good.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Already given out about four hundred bags of food before
running out Friday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm happy that I can help. It's like disheartening to
see you hear that there are forty two million people
on step until they lined up outside your door. Hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
There's really something insightful that I don't think he realizes.
He said, So, we've got forty two million people or
whatever the number is on food stamps snap. But you
never think about that because one that's hidden from you.
It's hidden, and we've made it so that it remains hidden.
(24:02):
So unless you're looking, when the person in front of
you is paying for their groceries, how they're paying for
their groceries, you don't know. So it becomes a nameless,
faceless bureaucracy, a nameless, faceless problem. So it's really easy.
It's very easy for people to say, well, yeah, that's
you know, it's not it's not my job. That's the
government's job. I pay my taxes, I expect the government
(24:26):
to go do that. Well, guess what your taxes, don't
you don't pay. You do not pay enough taxes to
pay for all of the stuff that we're spending money on.
You're not, and that's going to destroy the republic. And
you're actually with your tax dollars, you're actually supporting and
(24:48):
incentivizing organizations like the Trailhead Institute, just like you do
with any of the With the homeless industry, it's the
same thing here. We create these so called air quote
here industry trees that only survive as long as they
have people that they can designate as homeless or hungry.
(25:10):
And when they can do that, the government will continue
to feed them, and Democrats will continue to confess sorry,
politicians of all stripes will continue to campaign on I'm
going to get this more and more money for this
program because we have more and more people that are hungry,
we have more people that are homeless. We are self
(25:34):
fulfilling prophecies by disincentivizing anything or incentivizing anybody to get
off these programs, and that people who administer them are
certainly disincentivized to do anything about it. They continue to
make more money and get more money as long as
more hungry people come to them, And quite frankly, what
(25:59):
we've done is we've made the qualification and the requalification
easier and easier and easier.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You know, to put a face to that.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's hard to put a face to that. It's hard. Yes,
That's why you abdicate your compassion to the government because
you don't have to deal with it. You don't have
to face it. You don't have to decide, you know,
at the end of you know, every pay period, am
I going to give ten dollars, twenty dollars, one thousand
(26:31):
dollars whatever it is to a local food bank or
to a local church who has you know, the place
in the church where they give out clothing or they
give out food, or they you know, or they have
programs to help people find jobs or to help them
to transit. You know, they're trying to get back to
some place where they you know, if I can only
move to if I can only get to Nevada, I've
got I've got a job waiting in Nevada, but I
(26:52):
don't have enough money to get a bus to get there.
We take these problems steralyze them, and then we isolate
ourselves from them, and then the government grows and grows
and grows, and the politicians abuse it, and they use
it and abuse it to keep themselves in power. And
then when he's confronted with it, Oh, I put to
(27:15):
you what he put together, forty or fifty bags and
suddenly all gone. Then then when he sees the faces
of the.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
People, now the community is pitching in the help.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
As of Friday, a gofund me had already raised about
thirty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Which tells me that the adage that this is the
most giving country in the world is absolutely true. But
we don't do it except when it gets thrown in
our faces. So when we get struck with, you know,
a hurricane or a tornado, or some natural or man
made disaster, then we all chip in. Otherwise we just
(27:54):
bury our heads because the government's taking care of that.
The government's doing this, the government's doing that. The more
you allow that to happen, the stronger, larger, more powerful,
and influential and intractable. Not only will the problems become,
but so will the so called agencies or departments that
(28:15):
are designed to alleviate the problem. Although I would argue
they're not really designed to alleviate the problem. They're just
designed to finance the problem. That's what they're doing. It's
like some subprime lender somewhere just you know, just keep churning.
You know, you gotta you've got a note car lot,
(28:35):
so you sell a car, so somebody doesn't really have
any credit. They have to they got to pay, you know,
one hundred dollars a week. And if you don't come,
you know, if you don't pay your hundred dollars a
week in cash, we're going to come and repo your car. Well,
it's the same thing here. They're just acting like a
note car lot. They're just they're just keeping you churning
and keeping you incentivized to keep paying that one hundred
dollars to keep coming back. Don't try to do anything,
you know. And Dragon mentioned something on Friday that I
(28:56):
think I failed to get back to, and that is
we don't, for some reason, we don't allow a step up.
So and by that, I mean when somebody gets a
raise and they earn fifty cents more an hour than Boom,
that cuts them off because they've now crossed some artificial
threshold that the government has set. Well, why don't you
(29:20):
reduce by just a little bit As they start to
increase their income and wean them off. We don't do that.
And you know why we don't do that because the
government's not compassion. The government cannot set up a system
that on a case by case basic you can figure out, Oh,
he's got a job, he's earning. You know, he's earning
(29:42):
I don't know whatever it is now, but that's going
to put him over the edge. But you know, let's
give him some time to make sure he can stay
in that job. Let's reduce the benefits by a little
bit to incentivize him to work really hard at keeping
that job. And what bureaucrat in the right mind is
going to spend time doing that. A single one, a church,
(30:03):
or a private and privately funded charity might have the time,
the energy, and the resources to do it. The government
simply does not.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
We need to mimic some of the things the deems do,
including changing language. Some of the language we absolutely need
to change. Is anything that says government funded or free
needs to be changed to legal taxpayers fund it. Let's
(30:32):
see how that goes over, because that is the truth.
Nothing is government funded. Nothing is free.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
As you can tell by the amount of time that
I've spent on this topic for the past well Friday,
then on the National Show Saturday, and then again this morning.
I want to make sure you understand that it's not
that I'm not sympathetic. It's not that I feel badly
for people who find themselves in these situations. And I
(31:02):
fully understand that oftentimes people find these themselves in these situations.
And I'm not going to say that it's not their
fault because usually you know, you lose a job, well,
that truly may not be your fault. The company may
be downsizing so you get riffed, or you may lose
your job because of poor performance and you haven't done
(31:26):
the kind of saving or investment or you know, putting
side for a rainy day. Many people live paycheck to paycheck.
They don't have any assets, they don't there's there's it's
it's such a complex story. But because it's complex, and
then you add on to the complexity emotion, and then
(31:49):
you add on to the complexity the emotion that we're
talking about real people with real lives. It's a very
difficult conversation to have, and that's shown by his emotion.
Nick the Butcher when he realizes that he put out
forty to fifty bags whatever it was, and those were gone.
And then he saw and then he sees the faces
(32:10):
of those individuals, and now he's oh, now I'm still
mad at his He says, I'm still mad that I'm
doing this. I shouldn't have to be doing this the government.
You have to be doing that. That is the first.
That's almost like an alcoholic. You have to first admit
that you have a problem. And I don't think that
Nick's at the point where he must admit that we
(32:31):
have a problem because his solution while he is taking
on some additional responsibility, personal responsibility himself through his business
to try to help people, and I applaud that, and
I think that is great, but he still falls back
on but this is really not my problem. I'm only
doing this because I feel badly and doing it makes
me feel good. Well, let me ask you, does it.
(32:55):
Does it make you feel good? If the Democrats finally
vote to reopen and the benefits get reinstated, and they
go back to the status quo and nothing changes, do
you still feel good because those people won't show up
in your butcher shop anymore, because now they're going to
go to the grocery store and use their EBT cards
(33:15):
and they're going to either buy goods or use the cash.
You get whatever they want, and suddenly, well we'll go
right back to the same old samo. I think this
this situation today with food stamps, food stamps, snap Wick,
(33:36):
all of these, all these entitlement programs, and by the way,
speaking in language that bugs me, entitlement programs. The only
entitlement program I think to truly exist is Social Security.
Why because people themselves have taken their own hard earned
money and put it into it, they are entitled to
get that money back. People who have not participated in
(33:59):
the system and have not paid paid taxes, or they
have paid taxes for a short period of time and
then gone onto these programs are not necessarily entitled to
those benefits. But by law we have made it so.
So you want to change the language, I would change
that language. It just seems to me that we ought
to have an honest conversation about what we're doing with
(34:21):
our tax dollars. Otherwise, will never ever solve. Hunger will
never ever The Bible tells us the poor in the hunger,
you will always be among us. The question, then, is
who should be taking care of them, well, we should
not the government. The government simply cannot be compassionate and
(34:44):
won't be. Oh trust me, they won't be either,
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