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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Ladies and gentlemen, there you go. I'm Jimmy Sanenberger filling
in for Michael Brown, and I'm not satisfied to have
this talkback and situation be as it is where Dragon
had no choice.
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He's for us.
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It's Friday, I know it is already on vacation the cats.
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Cackle and kamala. Boy, that's one thing I don't miss
in the White House, much as I might at times
be frustrated with President Trump. Like and we'll touch on
them again in the next segment, the Tina Peters so
called pardon Oh my gosh, so many things that are
just so much better and nicer with Trump in office
versus Biden, with JD. Vans in office versus Kamala and
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really going to hear the cackle is on this program,
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Speaker 4 (02:47):
Thank you, sir. You always do it right. You know it,
You've got it internalized. It's fantastic.
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Of course it is easy, exactly. I was hoping you'd
bring it another easy into there. Yes, Indy, Jimmy Sayinberger
dot com. Now, Dragon, I want to ask you about something.
This is kind of wild. This from the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Disney is making a one billion dollar investment in Open AI.
That's the company behind chat GPT, the text based AI program,
and Sora the video program, and there are others. But
you can create AI generated videos on Sora.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Disney will allow the AI platform to use its characters
and properties to generate short user prompted social videos. Disney's
three year licensing deal will let users generate videos using
Sora Open AIS short form AI video platform. Like I
said of more than two hundred Disney Marvels, Star Wars
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and Pixar characters. A curated selection of these short videos
will be available to stream on Disney Plus. So you
can use the program and you can create this content
and then it ends up where they might put it
on to Disney Plus. My question, do you have any
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ownership of it? What do you get to do with it?
Number one? And number two? How do you get around
the fact that, so there are some restrictions the agreement.
Of course, it doesn't allow any sort of content related
to drugs and alcohol or sex.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
But interactions with other companies'.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Properties is also expressly forbidden. So you can't, for example,
say I want to do a situation at the Star
Wars canteena where Jerry Seinfeld is telling jokes. This being
the Seinfeld from Seinfeld, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So you can merge Disney properties, so you can have
Iron Man at the cantina, you could, gotcha, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
But those properties that are not Disney can't do that.
So what do you make of this?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It makes me worry because the person cre so you're you,
the the individual that you're sending the prompts over to
this Disney AI. You're creating it in quotes, you don't
own it because Disney's buying, buying all the rights and everything,
so you you have nothing behind that at all.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So you're you're now working for free for Disney.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Congratulations.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
See.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
One of the interesting things that is very common now
is fan films are driving some of the best content
for Star Wars, for example, and sometimes it's AI generated,
really like some of the main I watched something with
Darth Maul and it looked very realistic and it was.
It was really well done content because it's not just
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telling the machine, hey, you do this. There's a lot
more that you have to do as a creator to
get what you want in AI. There's actually a lot
of work that has to go into making one of
those videos. I have no idea how to do it,
but if you want it done right and in detail,
there's a lot to do. So some of the great content.
This seems to be a way for Disney to tap
into that with recognizing all the fans that they have
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out there making this content, which generally speaking, they're not
making any money off of that because it's just fan
films that are not supposed to make revenue for themselves,
and then they get to drive people to Disney Plus
to see fan made Star Wars or Marvel content too.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So it's all a big play, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I just worry because some of them may be really
great ideas, and then Disney's going to turn around and
run with it and make a whole new empire off
of it, and you get nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Here's one other little thing.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The companies announced the deal a day after Disney sent
a cease and desist letter to Google accusing the tech
giant of infringing Disney's copyrights on a massive scale, demonstrating
the carrot and stick approach it is taking to artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
This again from The Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Alphabet's Google is the biggest tech company to encourage Disney's
wrath for allegedly using copyright material to train its AI
systems and allowing its tools to output material that violates copyrights.
The Disney letter includes dozens of images and screenshots of
videos created with Google's Gemini, Nano, Banana, and Vio apps
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featuring Disney owned characters like Darth Vader, Homer Simpson, and
Spider Man. So they're basically saying, open AI, you have
the license to use this stuff. But any other company
where somebody's creating these images, we're gonna sue your ass.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I just I don't know. This is a wild, wild world.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
What do you think about the direction that they're taking
with AI five six six nine zero koa common Spirit
health text line. It's a brave new world. The carrot
and stick approach is pretty crazy. You can't create this
stuff with other platforms.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
It's all AI. I don't know. Jivy sanging Berger in
for Michael Brown, O KOA.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
How can we leave talk back for waiting for the shockbacks?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Okay, you don't need to be great. Yeah, that works.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Exactly to be sagod Burger for Michael Brown. By the way,
that tune Santa Claus Is Back in Town by Johnny
Lang came out in the nineties, and of course Elvis
Presley did the original and it was very different. That
song is probably my favorite Christmas song. The Johnny Lang
version that you just heard. It is perfect. It has
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the sort of laid back vibe of Merry Christmas Baby.
Best version of that always has to be Charles Brown
may rest in peace, but there are so many other
fantastic Joe Bodamasa has an excellent version. I think Eric
Clapton does bb King, but that to me is just
the classic and that's fantastic, but it's got so much
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more to it.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Santa Claus is back in. Tell you know what I
need to do. Jimmy Sangenburger dot com All ease, all
the time. I should put back there. I have a
playlist that I had on a YouTube playlist that was
for the best Christmas bumper music, and I just might
link that up on my website, Jimmy Sangenburger dot com.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Go there this weekend. I'm gonna try and do that.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The big news of the day, of course, is that
Tina Peters. President Trump has announced a pardon for the
convicted former clerk of Mesa County. And it's really interesting
because well, he doesn't have the authority to do this.
So last week I interviewed Dan Rubinstein, the Mesa County
district attorney, who himself is a Republican. Now, if you're
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not recalling who Tina Peters is, she's the one who
in twenty twenty one engaged in an election security breach
that she's now serving just shy of ninety years behind bars.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
At least that's the sentence.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
She'll be eligible for parole beginning of twenty twenty eight,
potentially serving only three and a half years in jail
and prison. But when I talked with Dan Rubinstein about
the push for some things from the federal government to
get Tina Peters transferred into federal custody and so forth,
he had signed a letter co signed a letter with
Attorney General Phil Wiser and explained the following here in
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our Q and A.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
I just think it would create a constitutional crisis. You know,
it's a big Republican tenant that states have rights, that
states retain most of the power that the federal government
has lived in authority. And for the federal government to
swoop in and say, we don't like what a state
prosecution was of local people, and we're just going to
take your offenders, take your prisoners, and put them in
our own custody. That's just that's not a good plan.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, and the other thing, real quickly as well, is
that these were not federal crimes. This is specifically state issues.
Now some are claiming there's a federal nexus. Even Tina Peters, Oh,
I was following federal law. But as we pointed out before,
that's not the case here.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Lots of things violate both state and federal law. Clearly,
the victims here were local. The crime was a local
crime of a local official against the local tax payers.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
This was a state issue.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
This was a state issue, and in fact President Trump
even acknowledged that back in September when he talked about
this case.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
It's a state charge, so it's hard to do anything with.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, exactly, that's exactly the case. This is an astonishing moment.
Now there's nothing he can do. It's just performative. He
didn't even identify charges that she was convicted of, so
he was not pardoning her for any actual crimes than
she committed. So it doesn't matter even if he did
have some jurisdiction, which he doesn't. Just very disappointing to
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see this move from President Trump. More to come, I'm
sure on this. I'm Jimmy Segenberger in for Michael Brown.
On the other side, my dear friend Rabbi Jonathan Houseman
will join us.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
He is always a blast.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
As Hono Cup begins on Sunday, keep it here, it's
koa what.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Do you call a guy that's always hanging around with
a bunch of musicians.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Answer the drummer, I gotta tell Mike ROSSI that one.
Jimmy Segenberger in for Michael Brown and Dragon asked earlier,
and I must oblige. Plus, our final guest to close
out the day is a huge blues fan in aficionado,
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just as I am. So we might as well bring
a little bit of harmonica. Welcome, Welcome now the good
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friend of mine who always stirs the pot in good
ways when we.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Bring him on.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Rabbi Jonathan Houseman of a Havas Torah congregation in Stoughton, Massachusetts,
joins me now just ahead of Honakkah, Happy Hanikah, my friend,
and welcome back to Kawa.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Thanks Jimmy, you know that and that that heart playing there?
So should we call you little Walter? Should we call
you little Jimmy? Should we call you Bobby Rush?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
What should we call you today?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Jimmy Jr? There you go, that's remembers. That's the stage
name channeling.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know the name of Junior Wells a little bit
in there, and I am a junior you know, so Junior.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Well what a great what a great musician? What a
great musician. You know.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
This summer I saw Bobby. I saw Bobby Rush playing
with Kenny Wayne summer. Yeah, oh, great, great show.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll tell you, you wouldn't know that Bobby Rush is in
his nineties the way he was cavorting.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Around the stage, ninety two years old and even better,
Rabbi Ausman, he was here at fifty two eighty feet
a mile high and he was still blowing that harp
like nobody's business.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
He's unbelievable, just unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Not that he's a hard player, but buddy guy is
having a month's residence at his club.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
In Chicago next Legends.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And my and my youngest brother and
I are talking about maybe going out for a couple
of days.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Oh if we could, if we could.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Snag tickets, go out for a couple of days and
just go to his club and listen to him.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I'd love to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I thought about it, but I just don't think it's
going to be feasible for me.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But we'll converse about that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I have to ask you though, coming back, that bump
in was from the Queen of the Blues herself, Cocoa Taylor.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That voice man, just powerful.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And one of the things I love is you're all
about the Christmas blues bumpers that I bring on the
program in all the years that I've had you annually
on the radio to talk at this time of year.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, Coco Taylor absolutely distinctive. And you know she for
a female voice in blues you had, she was it.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
She was the queen, you know, And much the same
way with regard to soul music.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Aretha Franklin with the queen you know what I mean, Yeah,
Aretha Franklin. And you know, not that the world others
aren't other good singers with great voices, but she was.
She was the diva.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
When it came to soul sign for a woman, Coco Taylor,
she was the diva of her generation.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And that's that.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
That is.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
The rough, powerful blues vocals out of that woman.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Boy, well said, and spot on I do. Since we're
on the subject of music, let's talk about something that
I've always found really interesting rabby Johnathanouncement. How many Christmas
songs and name a few, talk a little bit were
written by Jews? Oh God, pulling up a listen to
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remind you.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
No, I mean the question really is you know where
to start.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, and why why that is the case, because I've
always found it, uh pretty cool that you would have
Jewish musicians and songwriters put together some of the most
notable Christmas tunes.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, you know, the reality is, I don't think that
there's an I've never done this, but I'm.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Just quickly going through a catalog in my head. I
don't know as if there's an exact number of Christmas
songs actually written by composed by Jews.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
But you know there are.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
I mean, just start thinking, just start thinking of some
of the holiday classics. White Christmas, Root Off, the Red
Nosed Reindeer, Winter Wonderland, the Christmas Song. I mean you're
talking Irving Berlin, you're talking Johnny Marks, You're talking about
Sammy Kahn, You're talking about the great vocalist Mel Tormey,
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who happened to have been Jewish.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, it's it's pretty and actually, well, which one there
was one? Uh, Holly Jolly Christmas one of my absolute favorites. Also,
that's a Johnny Marx tune.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
How about silver Bells?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
The list goes on.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Levingston and Evans written by Jews. I mean they were Jewish.
I think you know, you had.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
A tremendous number of Jewish songwriters, particularly in the Tin
pan Alley era of music, and and you know that
ended up transferring into the Brill Building in New York where.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
You had they just had stables of songwriters, which happened
to include people like like Carol King, Jerry Goffin, Neil Diamond,
and that list just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Okay, listen, they wrote, they wrote holiday music, they wrote
standard classics. You'd be surprised, you know, the song by
Little Eva Local Ocean, Grandfa, Yeah, Ring whatnot?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
That was Little.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Eva was Carol King and Jerry Goffin's Baby Shiver and
Carol King literally and she could sing, and Carol King
literally wrote that that little tune and I don't know
ten minutes or so, Little Eva had a huge hit
with it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, and let me add that just to clarify, Yes,
the songs that we were mentioning were not just performed
by but were in fact written by Jewish. So, for example,
Irving Berlin did write White Christmas. Johnny Marks wrote Rudolph
the Red Nosed Reindeer rocking around the Christmas Tree, Holly
Jolly Christmas, Silver and Gold, and the list goes on
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for those songs not just performed by but written by Jews.
And I think one thing as well that just came
to my mind that I have to mention. When you
say ten panaley, I can't help but want to listen
to Steve Orray Vaughn play that dude tin panale because
you want to talk about fantastic slow blues that just
makes you feel something powerful, that tune.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Man. And now we're gonna pivot a bit because I
have to tell you I got into an argument with
somebody at the gym.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Three days ago.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Guitarist blues Rabbi, you listen to a lot of blues guitars.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
To listen to a lot of rock and roll, I
listened to a lot of guitar.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah, well, who do you consider the number one guitarist
of all time?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And I didn't hesitate Jimmy Hendrix.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Okay, okay, who do you get sitting the number two?
I said, Well, now you're beginning to argue, I said,
but I think, I said, who do you want?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You want? Albert Collins, you want Albert Lee? You want?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
I said, my personal number two would be Stevie Rayaan
and this guy starts to argue with me, and it's
not Steve a Rave one. Maybe he's down near thirty.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Okay, you know, I didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't know I would actually debate if he belongs
in the first place. But I understand where you're coming
from with with Jimmy Hendricks, and I probably if you
forced me, say okay, Jimmy, but I think that there's
a debatable proposition that Stevie might belong in number one.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Yeah, listen without question, which is why I put in
number two.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, okay, you go.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
So I know these were two cars.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
That really shaped a direction of music. And Jimmy Hendrix, Yeah,
what he rock and what he did for rock and roll, rock,
blues and blues was this absolutely phenomenal. You know, he
he came on at Woodstock. This is logged before you
were walk treading this earth. He came on on Woodstock
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very early the Monday morning, that last day of Woodstock,
very early Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And you know, at.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Woodstock, yet half a million people there are only forty
thousand people heard Jimmy Hendrix play when he when he
finally got on stage at Woodstock. And if you go
to YouTube, you can actually watch posted to YouTube. Jimmy
Hendrix is set from woodstock and.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You have to sit there with your mouth.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, oh no, oh, absolutely with that question.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
But Rabbi Jonathan Ounceman, we've got to shift years.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, Honikah coming up starting on a Sunday. Correct, And
every year we have a conversation because people who are
not Jewish, for example, Christians often think, oh, Honikah is
the Jewish Christmas, but it isn't. In more ways than one.
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Talk to us about what Honica is about. Remind us,
and then a little bit about that comparison, you know
what it is really in the Jewish holiday pantheon, and
also in terms of Christmas.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Okay, well, first of all, there's this comparison to Christmas
just because of the calindrical proximity, right of the two holidays.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Other than that they really don't have much to do
with one another. Listen, Jewish parents give gifts right now
on Conica.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
I have to be honest with you, when when my
kid was young, my wife always wanted to give her
gifts on Sonica. I always tried to resist it. By
the way, Jimmy, as you'll know this, you'll if you
don't know this, you'll learn very well, okay. And an
argument between you and you're beloved well right now fiance,
but soon beloved wife, you will lose. Okay, that's just
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the nature already have.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Done that many times.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep yep. Honkah. Except but
that's the only really connection between the two. They both
fall well.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Hankah for the most part falls in December. Sometimes it
traverses into January towards the end. Sometimes it begins in November,
but it's a December holiday, so that's really the only connection.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Between the two.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Honka is known in English at the Festival of Lights
because we light the minoa, the honica manoa.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
The candlog right in a particular fashion with specific blessings.
We have specific.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Prayers, and the foods we eat really appertain to the
holiday itself. Why because the holiday deals with the consecration
of oil. So we Jews have to have our alta
felts already because we eat a lot of fried foods
at this time of year. That's what we do. That's
what we do, no pun, no joke intended. Yeah, the
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word itself means dedication and it's named It's named in
this way because it celebrates the rededication of the Second
Temple in Jerusalem after it.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Was recaptured and.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Reconsecrated following its defilement by the Selucid Greeks.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Okay, and Robby, how long ago was that.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Let's put a timestamp on it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Welcome the Maccabees.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Well, listen, you're talking about the middle of the second century.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
We just would call it before the Common Area. You
guys would call it BC.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So okay, let's just let me just clarify or make
one really important point in the context of the debates
over what happened in Gaza and the idea that Israel
is a settler colonial state. We're talking thousands of years
ago that the Jewish people were there in Jerusalem.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I mean, come on now, all right, listen, listen.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
The Desert Arabs and the Muslim conquerors didn't reach the
land of Israel until the seventh century CE.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You guys will call it a d that's when they
came in. Okay.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
And there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the
land of Israel since at least since at least the
eleven hundreds BCE.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
BC.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Okay, that's how far back and arguably if you take
the Bible as history, which many many people do, and
it's very interesting as archaeology has proceeded, it's amazing how
much of the Jewish Bible.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Has proven to be historically accurate. Okay, one can argue
that there's been a Jewish presence.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
In the land of Israel for four thousand years. You
either accept it or you don't yet, you know, it's
as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
But happening, Yeah, what ends up happening is, you know,
in the second century.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
The Selucid Greeks tried to force the indigenous people to
the Land of Israel, meaning the Jewish people, the people
to accept Greek culture, Greek beliefs instead of Jewish observance,
midst observance, and beliefs in God, and a family that
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was a priestly family. The Maccabees, outnumbered, poorly armed, gathered followers.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Around them, and followed a.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
What's transpired was today we'd probably called it a guerrilla war,
and they defeated what was considered.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
To be the mightiest army on earth at the time
and drove the Greeks. The solution Greeks from the land
of Israel.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
They reclaimed the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and rededicated it
to the service of God with the appropriate sacrifices that
were to take place there.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's what the holiday's about.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Now, I only have a few minutes as we get
low on time, Rabbi Jonathan Houseman our guests. So for Christians,
Christmas is the second most important holiday after Easter. How
important if you can use that word in this case,
or how significant?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Where does it sort of ranked?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, I don't know if I'm using the right
terminology here, but in terms of significance Jews with regards
to the various holidays in the Jewish faith.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Well, okay, it's going to depend on who you ask,
who you ask, but uh, the reality is Hanakah is
not a.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Major Jewish holiday. It is a minor holiday.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
It lacks a lot of the prohibitions on activities that
you see and.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
All major Jewish holidays.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
The most important, which happens to be Shabbat, the Jewish Sabbath.
You don't have any of the parameters that deal with
observance like you do with Yom Kipoor or Passover. I
would say, if it's anything, if it's a major in
any aspect. It's probably major as a cultural holiday, you know, especially.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Here in the United States. Bear Why because it's a
festive nature to the holiday. We have, you know, easy
rituals that surround it. What ends up happening is we
get together with family and friends at our houses. You know.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Now you have this exchange of gifts and listen the
gifts come in.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Because what ends up happening.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
You had Jewish parents back in my day when I
was in my Youthube didn't want their kids, Jewish kids
to feel left out at that at this particular time
of year. But it is, it is.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It is not a holiday ordained by the Torah.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Okay, it is a holiday that is rabbinically ordained.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It is post.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Torah, post Biblical, so there's a different pecking order to it.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Plain and simple. So there you go. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Mean that's really what it's all about. That's really what.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It's all about. Well, but I have to tell you
the one ritual, and I have to hit this before
we go. The one ritual happens to be lighting the
hanaka Minoa.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
Why because as the Maccabees were cleansing.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
The temple, of defilement. All that ritual defilement, they found
a single cruise of oil that was.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
That could be used to light the Minoa, that wasn't
contaminated by anything that the Greeks had brought in ritually
miraculously what according to the story. According to the legend,
the Maccabees lit the Manoa with this one day supply
and what.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Ended up happing.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
The supply miraculously lasted for eight days until no oil.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Could be prepared under the conditions of ritual purity. That's
the holiday in a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Rabbi Jonathan Hauseman of a Havath Turah congregation in Stoton, Massachusetts,
My friend, Happy Hanakah, and thanks so much for joining
us as always anytime.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Jimmy, you know I'm always here for you.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You better believe it once again, Rabbi Jonathan Houseman joining us.
Mandy Connell in the house. You are, How are you,
my friend?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Say jim second Burger Christmas.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
I wish I'd known that years ago, because I would
have stopped selling your name wrong a lot sooner.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
It's easy. Once you know that, it really is, it's
it all worth worthwhile. Merry Christmas. By the way, Merry Christmas.
Back at you do me. So what have you got
coming up?
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Well, we've got to talk about the fact that, once again,
as you reiterated multiple times during your program, President Trump
cannot pardon Tina Peters.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
We've got that.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
We're going to talk with somebody from the Maine Society
about the Home for the Howlidays promotion. If you're looking
for a new pet and it's an ask me anything.
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There you go, make it easy for Mandy on a Friday.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Tgif thank you, Mandy, I'll hopefully see some of you
at in the Zoning Golden seven to eleven PM the
Jimmy Junior Blues Band performing tonight. Have a great weekend
and may God bless America.
Well, here is where I would play a talkback if
I had any and there are rules, hence the rules
of engagement we just played. If you do not play
a talkback or you do not leave us in the back, no, yep,
I'm gonna make it quick, just rip it off like
a bend. If you don't leave a talkback, you get
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the kamala cackle.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Ladies and gentlemen, there you go. I'm Jimmy Sanenberger filling
in for Michael Brown, and I'm not satisfied to have
this talkback and situation be as it is where Dragon
had no choice.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
He's for us.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
It's the rules.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's Friday, I know it is already on vacation the cats.
It's the rules.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Cackle and kamala. Boy, that's one thing I don't miss
in the White House, much as I might at times
be frustrated with President Trump. Like and we'll touch on
them again in the next segment, the Tina Peters so
called pardon Oh my gosh, so many things that are
just so much better and nicer with Trump in office
versus Biden, with JD. Vans in office versus Kamala and
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the cackle. I mean, at least The only time you're
really going to hear the cackle is on this program,
The Situation Room with Michael Brown. When you don't submit
a talkback on the iHeartRadio app. Simple rules, very simple rules.
Come on, Goober's get with the program now. I have
not done it? Dragon? How have I gone to this
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point without mentioning the place where folks can go to
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fill in here we're on our sister station K Howe
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and my drummer Mike Rossi bass player Ken Cornell. You'rs
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Speaker 4 (02:14):
I've got it. I made it.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Easy so that you can see the details on where
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Speaker 4 (02:23):
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Speaker 2 (02:24):
Send me an evil, send me hate mail if you
want to. It's right there on the website. But I
haven't given the website yet, dragging its time, Jimmy Sangenburger
dot com. Remember there's no AI or you in Sangenburger.
It's all ease, all the time. Once you know that,
sang in Berger is easy.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Thank you, sir. You always do it right. You know it,
You've got it internalized. It's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Of course it is easy, exactly. I was hoping you'd
bring it another easy into there. Yes, Indy, Jimmy Sayinberger
dot com. Now, Dragon, I want to ask you about something.
This is kind of wild. This from the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Disney is making a one billion dollar investment in Open AI.
That's the company behind chat GPT, the text based AI program,
and Sora the video program, and there are others. But
you can create AI generated videos on Sora.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Disney will allow the AI platform to use its characters
and properties to generate short user prompted social videos. Disney's
three year licensing deal will let users generate videos using
Sora Open AIS short form AI video platform. Like I
said of more than two hundred Disney Marvels, Star Wars
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and Pixar characters. A curated selection of these short videos
will be available to stream on Disney Plus. So you
can use the program and you can create this content
and then it ends up where they might put it
on to Disney Plus. My question, do you have any
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ownership of it? What do you get to do with it?
Number one? And number two? How do you get around
the fact that, so there are some restrictions the agreement.
Of course, it doesn't allow any sort of content related
to drugs and alcohol or sex.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
But interactions with other companies'.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Properties is also expressly forbidden. So you can't, for example,
say I want to do a situation at the Star
Wars canteena where Jerry Seinfeld is telling jokes. This being
the Seinfeld from Seinfeld, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So you can merge Disney properties, so you can have
Iron Man at the cantina, you could, gotcha, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
But those properties that are not Disney can't do that.
So what do you make of this?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It makes me worry because the person cre so you're you,
the the individual that you're sending the prompts over to
this Disney AI. You're creating it in quotes, you don't
own it because Disney's buying, buying all the rights and everything,
so you you have nothing behind that at all.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So you're you're now working for free for Disney.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Congratulations.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
See.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
One of the interesting things that is very common now
is fan films are driving some of the best content
for Star Wars, for example, and sometimes it's AI generated,
really like some of the main I watched something with
Darth Maul and it looked very realistic and it was.
It was really well done content because it's not just
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telling the machine, hey, you do this. There's a lot
more that you have to do as a creator to
get what you want in AI. There's actually a lot
of work that has to go into making one of
those videos. I have no idea how to do it,
but if you want it done right and in detail,
there's a lot to do. So some of the great content.
This seems to be a way for Disney to tap
into that with recognizing all the fans that they have
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out there making this content, which generally speaking, they're not
making any money off of that because it's just fan
films that are not supposed to make revenue for themselves,
and then they get to drive people to Disney Plus
to see fan made Star Wars or Marvel content too.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So it's all a big play, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I just worry because some of them may be really
great ideas, and then Disney's going to turn around and
run with it and make a whole new empire off
of it, and you get nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Here's one other little thing.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
The companies announced the deal a day after Disney sent
a cease and desist letter to Google accusing the tech
giant of infringing Disney's copyrights on a massive scale, demonstrating
the carrot and stick approach it is taking to artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
This again from The Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Alphabet's Google is the biggest tech company to encourage Disney's
wrath for allegedly using copyright material to train its AI
systems and allowing its tools to output material that violates copyrights.
The Disney letter includes dozens of images and screenshots of
videos created with Google's Gemini, Nano, Banana, and Vio apps
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featuring Disney owned characters like Darth Vader, Homer Simpson, and
Spider Man. So they're basically saying, open AI, you have
the license to use this stuff. But any other company
where somebody's creating these images, we're gonna sue your ass.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I just I don't know. This is a wild, wild world.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
What do you think about the direction that they're taking
with AI five six six nine zero koa common Spirit
health text line. It's a brave new world. The carrot
and stick approach is pretty crazy. You can't create this
stuff with other platforms.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
It's all AI. I don't know. Jivy sanging Berger in
for Michael Brown, O KOA.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
How can we leave talk back for waiting for the shockbacks?
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Okay, you don't need to be great. Yeah, that works.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Exactly to be sagod Burger for Michael Brown. By the way,
that tune Santa Claus Is Back in Town by Johnny
Lang came out in the nineties, and of course Elvis
Presley did the original and it was very different. That
song is probably my favorite Christmas song. The Johnny Lang
version that you just heard. It is perfect. It has
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the sort of laid back vibe of Merry Christmas Baby.
Best version of that always has to be Charles Brown
may rest in peace, but there are so many other
fantastic Joe Bodamasa has an excellent version. I think Eric
Clapton does bb King, but that to me is just
the classic and that's fantastic, but it's got so much
(09:00):
more to it.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Santa Claus is back in. Tell you know what I
need to do. Jimmy Sangenburger dot com All ease, all
the time. I should put back there. I have a
playlist that I had on a YouTube playlist that was
for the best Christmas bumper music, and I just might
link that up on my website, Jimmy Sangenburger dot com.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Go there this weekend. I'm gonna try and do that.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Now.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The big news of the day, of course, is that
Tina Peters. President Trump has announced a pardon for the
convicted former clerk of Mesa County. And it's really interesting
because well, he doesn't have the authority to do this.
So last week I interviewed Dan Rubinstein, the Mesa County
district attorney, who himself is a Republican. Now, if you're
(09:51):
not recalling who Tina Peters is, she's the one who
in twenty twenty one engaged in an election security breach
that she's now serving just shy of ninety years behind bars.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
At least that's the sentence.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
She'll be eligible for parole beginning of twenty twenty eight,
potentially serving only three and a half years in jail
and prison. But when I talked with Dan Rubinstein about
the push for some things from the federal government to
get Tina Peters transferred into federal custody and so forth,
he had signed a letter co signed a letter with
Attorney General Phil Wiser and explained the following here in
(10:26):
our Q and A.
Speaker 6 (10:28):
I just think it would create a constitutional crisis. You know,
it's a big Republican tenant that states have rights, that
states retain most of the power that the federal government
has lived in authority. And for the federal government to
swoop in and say, we don't like what a state
prosecution was of local people, and we're just going to
take your offenders, take your prisoners, and put them in
our own custody. That's just that's not a good plan.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, and the other thing, real quickly as well, is
that these were not federal crimes. This is specifically state issues.
Now some are claiming there's a federal nexus. Even Tina Peters, Oh,
I was following federal law. But as we pointed out before,
that's not the case here.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Lots of things violate both state and federal law. Clearly,
the victims here were local. The crime was a local
crime of a local official against the local tax payers.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
This was a state issue.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
This was a state issue, and in fact President Trump
even acknowledged that back in September when he talked about
this case.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
It's a state charge, so it's hard to do anything with.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, exactly, that's exactly the case. This is an astonishing moment.
Now there's nothing he can do. It's just performative. He
didn't even identify charges that she was convicted of, so
he was not pardoning her for any actual crimes than
she committed. So it doesn't matter even if he did
have some jurisdiction, which he doesn't. Just very disappointing to
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see this move from President Trump. More to come, I'm
sure on this. I'm Jimmy Segenberger in for Michael Brown.
On the other side, my dear friend Rabbi Jonathan Houseman
will join us.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
He is always a blast.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
As Hono Cup begins on Sunday, keep it here, it's
koa what.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Do you call a guy that's always hanging around with
a bunch of musicians.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Answer the drummer, I gotta tell Mike ROSSI that one.
Jimmy Segenberger in for Michael Brown and Dragon asked earlier,
and I must oblige. Plus, our final guest to close
out the day is a huge blues fan in aficionado,
(12:34):
just as I am. So we might as well bring
a little bit of harmonica. Welcome, Welcome now the good
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friend of mine who always stirs the pot in good
ways when we.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
Bring him on.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Rabbi Jonathan Houseman of a Havas Torah congregation in Stoughton, Massachusetts,
joins me now just ahead of Honakkah, Happy Hanikah, my friend,
and welcome back to Kawa.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Thanks Jimmy, you know that and that that heart playing there?
So should we call you little Walter? Should we call
you little Jimmy? Should we call you Bobby Rush?
Speaker 3 (13:48):
What should we call you today?
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Jimmy Jr? There you go, that's remembers. That's the stage
name channeling.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You know the name of Junior Wells a little bit
in there, and I am a junior you know, so Junior.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Well what a great what a great musician? What a
great musician. You know.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
This summer I saw Bobby. I saw Bobby Rush playing
with Kenny Wayne summer. Yeah, oh, great, great show.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I'll tell you, you wouldn't know that Bobby Rush is in
his nineties the way he was cavorting.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Around the stage, ninety two years old and even better,
Rabbi Ausman, he was here at fifty two eighty feet
a mile high and he was still blowing that harp
like nobody's business.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
He's unbelievable, just unbelievable.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Not that he's a hard player, but buddy guy is
having a month's residence at his club.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
In Chicago next Legends.
Speaker 7 (14:46):
Yes, yeah, yeah, And my and my youngest brother and
I are talking about maybe going out for a couple
of days.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Oh if we could, if we could.
Speaker 7 (14:54):
Snag tickets, go out for a couple of days and
just go to his club and listen to him.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I'd love to do that.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
I thought about it, but I just don't think it's
going to be feasible for me.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But we'll converse about that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I have to ask you though, coming back, that bump
in was from the Queen of the Blues herself, Cocoa Taylor.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That voice man, just powerful.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And one of the things I love is you're all
about the Christmas blues bumpers that I bring on the
program in all the years that I've had you annually
on the radio to talk at this time of year.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, Coco Taylor absolutely distinctive. And you know she for
a female voice in blues you had, she was it.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
She was the queen, you know, And much the same
way with regard to soul music.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Aretha Franklin with the queen you know what I mean, Yeah,
Aretha Franklin. And you know, not that the world others
aren't other good singers with great voices, but she was.
She was the diva.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
When it came to soul sign for a woman, Coco Taylor,
she was the diva of her generation.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And that's that.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
That is.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
The rough, powerful blues vocals out of that woman.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Boy, well said, and spot on I do. Since we're
on the subject of music, let's talk about something that
I've always found really interesting rabby Johnathanouncement. How many Christmas
songs and name a few, talk a little bit were
written by Jews? Oh God, pulling up a listen to
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remind you.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
No, I mean the question really is you know where
to start.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, and why why that is the case, because I've
always found it, uh pretty cool that you would have
Jewish musicians and songwriters put together some of the most
notable Christmas tunes.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, you know, the reality is, I don't think that
there's an I've never done this, but I'm.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Just quickly going through a catalog in my head. I
don't know as if there's an exact number of Christmas
songs actually written by composed by Jews.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
But you know there are.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
I mean, just start thinking, just start thinking of some
of the holiday classics. White Christmas, Root Off, the Red
Nosed Reindeer, Winter Wonderland, the Christmas Song. I mean you're
talking Irving Berlin, you're talking Johnny Marks, You're talking about
Sammy Kahn, You're talking about the great vocalist Mel Tormey,
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who happened to have been Jewish.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, it's it's pretty and actually, well, which one there
was one? Uh, Holly Jolly Christmas one of my absolute favorites. Also,
that's a Johnny Marx tune.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
How about silver Bells?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
The list goes on.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Levingston and Evans written by Jews. I mean they were Jewish.
I think you know, you had.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
A tremendous number of Jewish songwriters, particularly in the Tin
pan Alley era of music, and and you know that
ended up transferring into the Brill Building in New York where.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
You had they just had stables of songwriters, which happened
to include people like like Carol King, Jerry Goffin, Neil Diamond,
and that list just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Okay, listen, they wrote, they wrote holiday music, they wrote
standard classics. You'd be surprised, you know, the song by
Little Eva Local Ocean, Grandfa, Yeah, Ring whatnot?
Speaker 3 (19:03):
That was Little.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
Eva was Carol King and Jerry Goffin's Baby Shiver and
Carol King literally and she could sing, and Carol King
literally wrote that that little tune and I don't know
ten minutes or so, Little Eva had a huge hit
with it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, and let me add that just to clarify, Yes,
the songs that we were mentioning were not just performed
by but were in fact written by Jewish. So, for example,
Irving Berlin did write White Christmas. Johnny Marks wrote Rudolph
the Red Nosed Reindeer rocking around the Christmas Tree, Holly
Jolly Christmas, Silver and Gold, and the list goes on
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for those songs not just performed by but written by Jews.
And I think one thing as well that just came
to my mind that I have to mention. When you
say ten panaley, I can't help but want to listen
to Steve Orray Vaughn play that dude tin panale because
you want to talk about fantastic slow blues that just
makes you feel something powerful, that tune.
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Man. And now we're gonna pivot a bit because I
have to tell you I got into an argument with
somebody at the gym.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Three days ago.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Guitarist blues Rabbi, you listen to a lot of blues guitars.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
To listen to a lot of rock and roll, I
listened to a lot of guitar.
Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah, well, who do you consider the number one guitarist
of all time?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
And I didn't hesitate Jimmy Hendrix.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Okay, okay, who do you get sitting the number two?
I said, Well, now you're beginning to argue, I said,
but I think, I said, who do you want?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
You want? Albert Collins, you want Albert Lee? You want?
Speaker 7 (20:38):
I said, my personal number two would be Stevie Rayaan
and this guy starts to argue with me, and it's
not Steve a Rave one. Maybe he's down near thirty.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Okay, you know, I didn't want to.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't know I would actually debate if he belongs
in the first place. But I understand where you're coming
from with with Jimmy Hendricks, and I probably if you
forced me, say okay, Jimmy, but I think that there's
a debatable proposition that Stevie might belong in number one.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
Yeah, listen without question, which is why I put in
number two.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, okay, you go.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
So I know these were two cars.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
That really shaped a direction of music. And Jimmy Hendrix, Yeah,
what he rock and what he did for rock and roll, rock,
blues and blues was this absolutely phenomenal. You know, he
he came on at Woodstock. This is logged before you
were walk treading this earth. He came on on Woodstock
(21:35):
very early the Monday morning, that last day of Woodstock,
very early Monday morning.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And you know, at.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
Woodstock, yet half a million people there are only forty
thousand people heard Jimmy Hendrix play when he when he
finally got on stage at Woodstock. And if you go
to YouTube, you can actually watch posted to YouTube. Jimmy
Hendrix is set from woodstock and.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
You have to sit there with your mouth.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, oh no, oh, absolutely with that question.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
But Rabbi Jonathan Ounceman, we've got to shift years.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, Honikah coming up starting on a Sunday. Correct, And
every year we have a conversation because people who are
not Jewish, for example, Christians often think, oh, Honikah is
the Jewish Christmas, but it isn't. In more ways than one.
(22:30):
Talk to us about what Honica is about. Remind us,
and then a little bit about that comparison, you know
what it is really in the Jewish holiday pantheon, and
also in terms of Christmas.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Okay, well, first of all, there's this comparison to Christmas
just because of the calindrical proximity, right of the two holidays.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Other than that they really don't have much to do
with one another. Listen, Jewish parents give gifts right now
on Conica.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
I have to be honest with you, when when my
kid was young, my wife always wanted to give her
gifts on Sonica. I always tried to resist it. By
the way, Jimmy, as you'll know this, you'll if you
don't know this, you'll learn very well, okay. And an
argument between you and you're beloved well right now fiance,
but soon beloved wife, you will lose. Okay, that's just
(23:25):
the nature already have.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Done that many times.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep yep. Honkah. Except but
that's the only really connection between the two. They both
fall well.
Speaker 7 (23:39):
Hankah for the most part falls in December. Sometimes it
traverses into January towards the end. Sometimes it begins in November,
but it's a December holiday, so that's really the only connection.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Between the two.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
Honka is known in English at the Festival of Lights
because we light the minoa, the honica manoa.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
The candlog right in a particular fashion with specific blessings.
We have specific.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Prayers, and the foods we eat really appertain to the
holiday itself. Why because the holiday deals with the consecration
of oil. So we Jews have to have our alta
felts already because we eat a lot of fried foods
at this time of year. That's what we do. That's
what we do, no pun, no joke intended. Yeah, the
(24:26):
word itself means dedication and it's named It's named in
this way because it celebrates the rededication of the Second
Temple in Jerusalem after it.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Was recaptured and.
Speaker 7 (24:49):
Reconsecrated following its defilement by the Selucid Greeks.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Okay, and Robby, how long ago was that.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Let's put a timestamp on it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Welcome the Maccabees.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Well, listen, you're talking about the middle of the second century.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
We just would call it before the Common Area. You
guys would call it BC.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So okay, let's just let me just clarify or make
one really important point in the context of the debates
over what happened in Gaza and the idea that Israel
is a settler colonial state. We're talking thousands of years
ago that the Jewish people were there in Jerusalem.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I mean, come on now, all right, listen, listen.
Speaker 7 (25:33):
The Desert Arabs and the Muslim conquerors didn't reach the
land of Israel until the seventh century CE.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
You guys will call it a d that's when they
came in. Okay.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
And there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the
land of Israel since at least since at least the
eleven hundreds BCE.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
BC.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Okay, that's how far back and arguably if you take
the Bible as history, which many many people do, and
it's very interesting as archaeology has proceeded, it's amazing how
much of the Jewish Bible.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Has proven to be historically accurate. Okay, one can argue
that there's been a Jewish presence.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
In the land of Israel for four thousand years. You
either accept it or you don't yet, you know, it's
as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
But happening, Yeah, what ends up happening is, you know,
in the second century.
Speaker 7 (26:37):
The Selucid Greeks tried to force the indigenous people to
the Land of Israel, meaning the Jewish people, the people
to accept Greek culture, Greek beliefs instead of Jewish observance,
midst observance, and beliefs in God, and a family that
(27:00):
was a priestly family. The Maccabees, outnumbered, poorly armed, gathered followers.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Around them, and followed a.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
What's transpired was today we'd probably called it a guerrilla war,
and they defeated what was considered.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
To be the mightiest army on earth at the time
and drove the Greeks. The solution Greeks from the land
of Israel.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
They reclaimed the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and rededicated it
to the service of God with the appropriate sacrifices that
were to take place there.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That's what the holiday's about.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Now, I only have a few minutes as we get
low on time, Rabbi Jonathan Houseman our guests. So for Christians,
Christmas is the second most important holiday after Easter. How
important if you can use that word in this case,
or how significant?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Where does it sort of ranked?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, I don't know if I'm using the right
terminology here, but in terms of significance Jews with regards
to the various holidays in the Jewish faith.
Speaker 7 (28:05):
Well, okay, it's going to depend on who you ask,
who you ask, but uh, the reality is Hanakah is
not a.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Major Jewish holiday. It is a minor holiday.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
It lacks a lot of the prohibitions on activities that
you see and.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
All major Jewish holidays.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
The most important, which happens to be Shabbat, the Jewish Sabbath.
You don't have any of the parameters that deal with
observance like you do with Yom Kipoor or Passover. I
would say, if it's anything, if it's a major in
any aspect. It's probably major as a cultural holiday, you know, especially.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Here in the United States. Bear Why because it's a
festive nature to the holiday. We have, you know, easy
rituals that surround it. What ends up happening is we
get together with family and friends at our houses. You know.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
Now you have this exchange of gifts and listen the
gifts come in.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Because what ends up happening.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
You had Jewish parents back in my day when I
was in my Youthube didn't want their kids, Jewish kids
to feel left out at that at this particular time
of year. But it is, it is.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It is not a holiday ordained by the Torah.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Okay, it is a holiday that is rabbinically ordained.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It is post.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Torah, post Biblical, so there's a different pecking order to it.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Plain and simple. So there you go. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Mean that's really what it's all about. That's really what.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
It's all about. Well, but I have to tell you
the one ritual, and I have to hit this before
we go. The one ritual happens to be lighting the
hanaka Minoa.
Speaker 7 (29:54):
Why because as the Maccabees were cleansing.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
The temple, of defilement. All that ritual defilement, they found
a single cruise of oil that was.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
That could be used to light the Minoa, that wasn't
contaminated by anything that the Greeks had brought in ritually
miraculously what according to the story. According to the legend,
the Maccabees lit the Manoa with this one day supply
and what.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Ended up happing.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
The supply miraculously lasted for eight days until no oil.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Could be prepared under the conditions of ritual purity. That's
the holiday in a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Rabbi Jonathan Hauseman of a Havath Turah congregation in Stoton, Massachusetts,
My friend, Happy Hanakah, and thanks so much for joining
us as always anytime.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Jimmy, you know I'm always here for you.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You better believe it once again, Rabbi Jonathan Houseman joining us.
Mandy Connell in the house. You are, How are you,
my friend?
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Say jim second Burger Christmas.
Speaker 8 (31:02):
I wish I'd known that years ago, because I would
have stopped selling your name wrong a lot sooner.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
It's easy. Once you know that, it really is, it's
it all worth worthwhile. Merry Christmas. By the way, Merry Christmas.
Back at you do me. So what have you got
coming up?
Speaker 8 (31:14):
Well, we've got to talk about the fact that, once again,
as you reiterated multiple times during your program, President Trump
cannot pardon Tina Peters.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
We've got that.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
We're going to talk with somebody from the Maine Society
about the Home for the Howlidays promotion. If you're looking
for a new pet and it's an ask me anything.
I've done a lot of heavy lifting for the listeners
this week. I feel like they can help a sister
out and just you know, do my work for me.
There you go, make it easy for Mandy on a Friday.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Tgif thank you, Mandy, I'll hopefully see some of you
at in the Zoning Golden seven to eleven PM the
Jimmy Junior Blues Band performing tonight. Have a great weekend
and may God bless America.
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