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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good Cyber Monday Morning, Michael and Dragon. Oh, I love
how Polus is trying to make himself the upper more sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I know what's right and wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Man, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Let the Dems eat themselves alive.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Donald Trump has nominated Cash Pattel to be the next
director of the FBI. Now let's get some stupid stuff
that's being discussed out of the way. Initially, yes, I
understand that FBI directors are appointed for a ten year term.
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Donald Trump fired the last FBI, the FBI director previous
Christopher Rae a dos by the name of James Comy.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
During his term.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Chrisopher Ray is not do I think his term runs
through twenty twenty seven. But if you listen to just
the up doing, including Fox News and this morning driving in,
I was flabberguested by Fox News trying to play I'm
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not sure what they were doing, but Fox News kept
talking about, well, you know, Chrispherray his you know, they
have ten year terms of office, and they are you know,
and Chris Farray is not given any indication that he's
going to resign, and so you know, there's a there's
a fight about to occur, and I'm thinking a fight
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over what.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Why do you know why?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
They First of all, their terms are for a maximum
of ten years. So you appoint me today as FBI
director on December two, twenty twenty four, then my term
of office would go through December second of twenty thirty four,
a ten year term. But it can't go beyond that.
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You're you're kind of term limited. To put it in
a vernacular, a political vernacular, You're you're kind of term limited.
Now why is that? Because we don't want another j
Edgar Hoover. We don't want another we don't want these
FBI directors just serving forever. And they actually end up
exercising more power than the president or the president having
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such influence over the FBI director that they become, you know, simpatico,
and it's just like kind of one organism doing their
bidding and really politicizing the FBI director. So there is
no fight to be had. There's something real, there's something
that if that in con law, or for that matter,
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in political science that you learn about the unitary execs,
and the unitary executive is is the concept that all
executive power, particularly that named in the Constitution, but everything
necessary to carry out the powers enumerated in Article two
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are given to the president. He's the CEO of the
Executive Branch, so the president can fire anybody that is
subject to the confirmation process. You have, are you know?
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I have two presidential commissions. I've been twice confirmed by
the US Senate, twice nominated by the President, twice confirmed
by the US Senate. During both during the terms of
both of those commissions, I was subject to the unitary
power of the presidency, So the President could have fired
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me at any time.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
For any reason or for no reason.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Those I'd have to go back and look at the
exact language of the commissions. I'm quite proud of those commissions.
You know, out of I don't know, but not very
many people out of three hundred and fifty some million
Americans have a presidential commission.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I've got two level.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And I have them very nicely framed, and they're hanging
in my office at home. I don't make any bones
about it that I'm proud of those. Those commissions, signed
by the President and the Secretary of State, authorize me
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to serve in that those two positions that I had
subject to the executive subject to the president, so that
at any time, for no reason at all, the president
could just decide, you know what, I just I want
to change. I want to change the direction of the
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department or the sub cabinet that list that you're heading.
I want to make a change. And so therefore I'm
going to now what's my recourse. Nothing I could if
I really wanted to completely kill a political career or
completely kill any future employment by anybody that has any
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sense whatsoever, fight it. But that fight will be public,
and you're going to lose that fight. So when when
Trump named Cash Battel as his nominee to serve as
the FBI director, the FBI immediately came out and issued
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a statement. I don't have it in front of me
because I really don't.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I don't give a ratsass about it. But it said
something to the effect that, well, the FBI and all
the men and women who work for the FBI, including
FBI Director Christopher Ray, are busy working on behalf of
the American people to keep America safe and and of course,
I would like to add parenthetically, and to continue to
spy on all of you who engage in protests at
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school board meetings, or that go to pray in front
of an abortion clinic, or that you know, we need
a we need a win somewhere. So we're gonna set
you up and try to convince you to go strap
on a suicide vest somewhere, and we're going to convince
you of doing it. But we're gonna give you a
fake vest, and even though you had no intention of
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ever doing it, some matter, we convince you to do it,
and so we entrap you into doing it, and we're
you know.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's just it's all ball craft.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
That's why I made the argument on the weekend program
that the smartest thing that that Cash Betel could do.
This is just a little parenthetical. It is to destroy
the Counterintelligence Division of the FBI, which I know people
I tried to point this out Saturday, but for some
reason people weren't hearing what I was saying. The Counterintelligence
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Division of the FBI, which is a STAB, which was
established by the Patriot Act. Yes, was done under my
old boss, and I think it's a huge mistake. The
FBI is a law enforcement division. That's what it's supposed
to do. It's supposed to enforce the laws. It's supposed
to investigate crimes. It's not supposed to spy on Americans. Now,
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if they think of crime as being committed, or if
they think of crime is about to be committed, then
they should do the really you know, gumshoe work that
needs to be done to go investigate that individual that
might be a suspect and go try to find out
if they're about to commit a crime, and try to
prevent that crime from being committed. If they can improve
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a conspiracy to commit a crime. Uh, you know, whether
it's one or two individuals, you know, one person you
can engage in a conspiracy to commit a crime because
that one person you can go about, you know, acquiring
all the materials and goods and whatever they need to
commit the crime. Well, that's a conspiracy. You don't need
a counterintelligence division.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It's it's an essence.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
A it's creating a CIA domestically to spy on Americans. Now,
some police departments, most notably the NYPD. The New York
Police Department has a intelligence division, but their intelligence division
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is solely to prevent terrorist attacks, and so they rely
on other intel agencies. They have an agreement with the CIA,
so that if there is intel that is developed overseas,
because remember the.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
C I A.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
C I A is air quotes here prohibited from spying
on Americans or operating domestically, nonetheless, the need the NYPD
has an agreement with the with the CIA that if
there is intel developed overseas in which that intel indicates
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that New York is a target of some potential tariffs attack,
the c I A and the and the and the
Intel division of the NYPD will share that information, not
all of it, but whatever NYPD needs to know to
handle the situation up to an including making arrest on
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domestic soil. If there is some nexus between the intel
developed by the CIA and what's what they know about
what's happening domestically, FBI can do the same thing. They
don't need their own counter intelligence, and in fact the
counterintelligence is a great example of mission creep and has
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led to things like spying on Americans going to.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
School board meetings.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Cash Battel, let me back up before I get to
him specifically, so cash Battel gets nominated.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And the Left goes crazy. Do you know why they
go crazy?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I mean, I know all the reasons that the cabal
will tell you that they go reasy, that they go crazy.
The cabal goes crazy because he has said things that
they find disturbing, that they find that, Oh my gosh,
this is the kind of guy that is going to
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destroy the FBI.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Do you remember.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Struck Stroke, Andy McKay, the little triumvirate in the FBI.
They talked about having an insurance policy that, you know,
if Trump gets elected, don't worry about it. We got
ways we're gonna take care of him. I mean, they
were conspiring the Russian hoax, the Steele dossier, fusion GPS.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Do you remember.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I know it's ancient history because it occurred, you know,
eight years ago or longer. And Americans have short term
memory loss. They're smoking too much marijuana. That's what they're
upset about. But why are they upset about things that
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they were involved in.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Because the guy by the name of Cash Battel used
to work for.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Devin Nunya, congressman from California, who was on the House
Intel Committee, who developed a memorandum, a memorandum that was
let me see, I've get it pulled up here, dated
January eighteen, twenty eighteen, subject Foreign intelligence Surveillance Act PAISA,
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PISA abuses at the Department of Justice and the FBI.
The purpose of the memo. This memorandum provides members an
update on significant facts relating to the Committee's ongoing investigation
into the DOJ and the FBI and their use of
FISA during the twenty sixteen presidential election cycle. Our findings,
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which are detailed below. One raised concerns with the legitimacy
and the legality of certain DOJ and FBI and interactions
with the PHISA Court, and two represent a troubling breakdown
of legal processes established to protect the American people from
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abuses related to related to the phis A process. Now,
I've been hypercritical of the FISA Court and the whole
phis A process again established nd the Patriot Act, because
it is so easily subject to abuse, and it's subject
to abuse because you're unlike you know, Let's say that
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the local Denver Police department, if there are any actual
investigators or detectives left, and they are investigating a murder case,
but they need a wire tab, or they need a
search warrant, or they need something, they need a court
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order to allow them to do something, search warrant, whatever,
it might be they develop and put together and then
under oath say that everything we're presenting to you, Judge,
is true, and we're verifying its truthfulness so that you
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can read what we are claiming to be the basis
for our requests for a search warrant. Let's just say,
let's just say basic search war, a Fourth Amendment search war.
So the judge relies upon their representations, including in many
cases they're actually appearing before the judge in his chambers
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or her chambers and having a discussion about, Okay, what
is this evident show and what are you looking for?
And why are you doing it? And how solid is
this and how do you develop this? Judges will oftentimes
ask lots lots of questions. Now, sometimes I'm being be
completely objective here. Sometimes judges, depending upon the detective and
their track regard with that detective, will simply read the
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affidavit for the search warrant and go, okay, well that
meets all the elements here, signs the search warrant, hands
the search warrant over to the detective, and they go
execute the warrant.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
The Phiza court can do that, but often does not.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
They rely upon the FBI because the FBI is supposed
to have all this integrity, right, but they don't, and
they lied. They lied in order to get warrants to
spy on the Trump campaign. To spy on Trump, they
relied on fake documents, They relied on the public news
reports about the fake documents, and Cash Battel working for
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the Intel, working for the House Majority, the Republicans on
the House Intel Committee at the time, developed this memorandum
dated January eighteen, twenty eighteen. Now I forget when. I
think it was sometime also in twenty eighteen that they
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asked the White House to declassify that memo, and the
White House declassified the memo, and then the proverbial feces
hit the thing because, oh my gosh, this memo is
full of untruth. It's false, it's inaccurate, it's misleading, it's
it's every pejority of adjitive you could find to describe
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this that they the Left went after this memo like
applies to a bugs to a bug light. It turns
out the memo was entirely true.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Michael, I have a question. Haven't we all heard of
the term at well employment arrangement? It's a basic tenet
of employment in America.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Is it not?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yes, in the private sector. In the public sector, it's
not in the public sector. Particularly that this is the
problem with I want to avoid going down the rabbital here.
The civil service is incredibly difficult to terminate. Now, that
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can be done, but you're facing different bargaining units, like
like one individual may be a member of a couple
of different unions. And then you have the Merit Protection Board,
which basically requires that there has there has to be
cause to terminate a civil servant.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And then you have the lawyers. So you've got.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
You've got three whammies against you when you try to
get rid of them. Now, political appointees an entirely different animal.
Political appointees are indeed that and they are at well employed. Please,
even if you have a term of office, like the
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FBI director who has a termament, you know, you get
a pointed, you get appointed for a term of ten years.
Well during that ten years, presidents can change or a
president nominated you can change their mind. Remember, as you
hear all of this stuff about Cash Patel and the
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current FBI director, Christopher Ray, remember Donald Trump fired James
Comy in the middle of his tenure. So just keep
that perspective in mind, because the cabal is going to
try to convince you that somehow either Donald Trump can't
fire Christopher Ray or.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That there's gonna be some huge battle.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Well I don't. I'm sure that they want a battle
by day. I mean the FBI they want a battle
because all I'm going to tell you about Cash Mattel.
In fact, I'm not gonna tell you. I'm gonna let
Andy McCain tell you about Cash Mattel is exactly why
they're opposed to him. He is probably the most qualified
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to clean it up. Listen to this is CNN, and
this is this. This is not the one I was
originally going to use. The one I was originally going
to use was from yesterday, but this is from this morning.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
You want to ask right now on this the CNN
senior law enforcement analysts former Deputy Director of the FBI,
Andrew mccab So, the.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Very guy, this may take forever to get through this,
the very guy that was involved in the abuses of
the Pisa Court and the Russian hoax and the Steele
dossier and Fusion GPS. The very guy that was involved
in all of those Krau, and I would argue illegal activities,
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is the illegal analyst for CNN, your honor, I arrest
my case.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's all you need to know.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So as you hear him bitch and moan about Cash Paatel,
just remember who you're listening to.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Hey, what's your take on Cash Battel being picked ahead
up the FBI?
Speaker 7 (20:24):
Okay, it's it's a somewhat confounding pick. You know, there's
a there's a whole there's a whole conversation to be
had about whether or not he's qualified for the job.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I would argue he's clearly not.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
He doesn't have the experience and knowledge of the law
enforcement community.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Is a fairly undistinguished legal career.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
He doesn't really have a fraction of the qualifications that
any former FBI director chosen by any president has.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
But that's really not my main concern.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
My main concern is what it says about Donald Trump's
intention for the FBI and where Cash Paateel might take
the FBI if he's confirmed as director, and that all
points in one direction, and that is back to the
FBI's regretful history of acting as essentially the enforcement arm
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for the president's political activities. That's where we come from
as an institution. That's who we were under our first director,
Jay Edgar Hoover. But it is something we've gotten away
from in the last fifty years, the post Watergate, post
Church Committee, Pike Committee investigations, and the FBI today is
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an independent entity that the nation relies on to enforce
its criminal laws and protected from national security threats.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So I think it's a really really concerning pick.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And some of the things that we know Cash Mattel
has said he would like to do with the FBI
Justice Fartment. He's called for a comprehensive house cleaning of
the Justice Department.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Well, that's pretty bad. He's called for a house cleaning
of the DOJ, including the FBI. Well, uh, nobody wants that,
do we? Why would we need that.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
That he wants to the He wants to dismantle or
shut down FBI headquarters in Washington.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yes, you know they got it. In fact, I blame
Trump for this.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
This is one of the things that bugs me about
Trump is why did Congress and Trump go along with
the FBI's request to build a new building. I've been
in the FBI now, it's been quite a while. Since
I've been in the FBI building. But you know what,
it's an FBI building. They don't need a new building.
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Nobody in DC needs a new building.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Nobody and have it be turned into a museum of
the deep state. If you would do that, it would
be clearly hugely disruptive. If it's something short of that.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Oh, disruptive, I thought that's what we voted for.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Then what.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, it would almost certainly be something short of that.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
That's not kind of an absurd you know, podcast talking point.
If he's actually if he's actually serious about that, I
guess it means he doesn't understand that the seven thousand
people who work at headquarters, six thousand of them are
not even agents.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
They are scientists.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
And computer specialists and analysts and secretaries and professional support
staff who aren't clearly wouldn't be sent out around the
country to.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Work as cops, as he's threatened, But.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
It would be a significant disruption to pursue any you know,
any portion of that. And that again is you know,
it gets back to my concerns about him, and.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
He gets back to my concern We don't want to disruption.
We're we're we're just marching along fine to our own tune,
doing what we want to do, violating the law when
we want to just going after our political enemies, and
we don't want to be disturbed. That's all this mounts to.
They don't want to be disturbed. They want to be
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left alone. And CNN brings out one of the most
corrupt individuals in the FBI to be their legal analyst
tells you a lot about CNN. It also tells you
that everything that he's bitching and moaning about is exactly
why we want Cashptel there.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
We haven't heard anything from Cashpitel about what his what
his plans will, what's his vision for the FBI?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
What does he say in what ways does.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
He think he could make the FBI more effective or efficient?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
And it's just importance your decades of working the FBI.
He's facing Will Will would face confirmation. What question would
you have for him given the breadth of your knowledge
and experience in serving in the department.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh many, Kate right there there.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
You shouldn't even think about accepting a nomination like this
unless you're someone who has spent a lot of time.
I am thinking about understanding the FBI, knowing its people,
and how it works, and having a clear, articulable vision
about where you intend to take the organization.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Every new FBI director.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
You know, I've ever worked for the FBI. I'm not
in law enforcement. I've never been a law enforcement officer.
I've never been a LEO. I've got a vision for
the FBI. I want it to be the nation's premier
law enforcement agency that treats every citizen equally, fairly with
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due process. And I want every member of the support staff,
whether that's somebody working in the lab, whether that's a
trainer at Quantico, whether that's a secretary, whether that's a
data processing person, whether that is you know, just an
agent that works, you know, works the case at headquarters.
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I want them to be adherence to the law, the constitution, fairness,
basic tenets of due process, both procedural due process and
substantive due process. And I want everybody treated equal under
the law, and I want the rule of law followed.
If you want me to, I can take some time
out and write a mission statement for the FBI right
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now if you wanted me to. And I have I
have zero I mean, have I been involved with law enforcement, yes,
But have I been a LEO no, but I know
exactly what I want, and I think that's what most
Americans want. You want the cop on the street. You
want the cop that stops you, you know your you
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know you're speeding, but you want the cop to treat
you fairly, with respect, dignity, with due process, reasonableness, all
of that. That's that's all we want. If if you
are a if you're a child molester, then you know
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that the cops are going to smack you around a
little bit because you're going to resist and they're gonna,
you know, force you in the car and you're but
you're still going to get due process and they're going
to have a case built against you. And if they
don't have a case against you, they're not going to
come after you. So don't be a child molester. So
it's like taxpayer relief shots. You know, when the officer
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asks you to put your gun down and you don't
and you point the gun at the cop, the cop
is going to shoot you and you're going to end
up maybe d RT, and you know what, it sucks
to be you, but you didn't do what you were
supposed to do. We want cops to be cops and
the FBI are cops. Now, they are specialized in some areas.
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You know, they do forensics, and they do all sorts
of you know, stuff that you know, maybe an ordinary
patrolman doesn't. But the end of the day, they're just
cops and that's what we want them to be. Now,
how does cash Battel fit in with that. Let's think about.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
His experience, Mike.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
If you want to know what shady crap the Democrats
are up to, just listen to how they blame the
Republicans and what they are blaming the Republicans for because
Rust assured the Democrats are doing it.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
The blowback against cash Battel really hits home with me
personally because he's being, in my opinion, unjustly maligned for
doing his job and for doing it the right way.
Go back to that memo, the memo which exposed the
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House It wasn't the House Intel Committee, was the House
Special Intelligence Committee on Russia or something?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It add some special name.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
He's the he was the investigator that uncovered all of
the FBI abuses. To me, that alone qualifies him. But
he's so much broader than that. He was the chief
of staff at the Pentagon. That is a humongous job.
I would put the chief of Staff at the Pentagon
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just below Chief of Staff to the President. He also
carried at the same time the title of assistant Deputy
Assistant to the President.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So as chief of staff, he's.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Responsible for more than three million employees, a seven hundred
and forty billion dollar budget, and two trillion dollars in assets.
He served as Deputy Director of National Intelligence. The DNI
oversees all seventeen intelligence community agencies. He's done the Presidential
daily Brief and brief Cabinet members and all these nations
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security issues. He led President Trump's counter Terrorism Mission. He
was the Deputy Assistant to the President of the National
Security Council, and his focus was on eliminating high value
targets such as Al Qaeda and IS's leaders, while at
the same time in charge of repatriating American hostages. He
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was a national security prosecutor at the DOJ under the
Obama administration. During his tenure there, he led investigations into
terrorism and served as the DOJ liaison officer to the
Joint Special Operations Command at Jaysak. He was coordinating operations
in high threat areas even served as a public defender
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at one time, trying complex cases across federal, state, state courts.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
This is a striking.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Combination of prosecutorial acumen, defense advocacy, high level government service,
and is a blend of broad government experience that sets
him apart from all of his predecessors. In fact, I
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would argue that where other FBI directors have come up
short cash battel excels, you compare.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Him to think of that.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Just think back on some of these names, Christopher Ray,
William Webster, Clarence Kelly, Thomas, Picard, William Sessions, every single
one of those, y'ah, who's had less prosecutorial experience than
Cash Betail's in his years of experience and prosecution, including
high stakes cases focused on national security and counter terrorism,
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that alone tips it in his favor. And then his
experience as a defense attorney, well, that sets him apart
from Bob Muller, James Combe, Christopher Ray, who had little
or no exposure to that side of the legal system.
You know, there's there's nothing better than a lawyer that's
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been on both sides of the of the court room
as defense counsel and as a prosecutor. He knows what
it is to argue on behalf of the accused, to
ensure that justice is not only administered, but administered properly
with due process, something that's sorely missing in the FBI today.
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Oh you know, in fact, I may there's other things
that cash betail. Yeah, I'm
Good Cyber Monday Morning, Michael and Dragon. Oh, I love
how Polus is trying to make himself the upper more sophisticated.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I know what's right and wrong.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Man, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Are you kidding me? This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Let the Dems eat themselves alive.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Donald Trump has nominated Cash Pattel to be the next
director of the FBI. Now let's get some stupid stuff
that's being discussed out of the way. Initially, yes, I
understand that FBI directors are appointed for a ten year term.
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Donald Trump fired the last FBI, the FBI director previous
Christopher Rae a dos by the name of James Comy.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
During his term.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Chrisopher Ray is not do I think his term runs
through twenty twenty seven. But if you listen to just
the up doing, including Fox News and this morning driving in,
I was flabberguested by Fox News trying to play I'm
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not sure what they were doing, but Fox News kept
talking about, well, you know, Chrispherray his you know, they
have ten year terms of office, and they are you know,
and Chris Farray is not given any indication that he's
going to resign, and so you know, there's a there's
a fight about to occur, and I'm thinking a fight
(01:43):
over what.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Why do you know why?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
They First of all, their terms are for a maximum
of ten years. So you appoint me today as FBI
director on December two, twenty twenty four, then my term
of office would go through December second of twenty thirty four,
a ten year term. But it can't go beyond that.
(02:10):
You're you're kind of term limited. To put it in
a vernacular, a political vernacular, You're you're kind of term limited.
Now why is that? Because we don't want another j
Edgar Hoover. We don't want another we don't want these
FBI directors just serving forever. And they actually end up
exercising more power than the president or the president having
(02:33):
such influence over the FBI director that they become, you know, simpatico,
and it's just like kind of one organism doing their
bidding and really politicizing the FBI director. So there is
no fight to be had. There's something real, there's something
that if that in con law, or for that matter,
(02:55):
in political science that you learn about the unitary execs,
and the unitary executive is is the concept that all
executive power, particularly that named in the Constitution, but everything
necessary to carry out the powers enumerated in Article two
(03:19):
are given to the president. He's the CEO of the
Executive Branch, so the president can fire anybody that is
subject to the confirmation process. You have, are you know?
(03:43):
I have two presidential commissions. I've been twice confirmed by
the US Senate, twice nominated by the President, twice confirmed
by the US Senate. During both during the terms of
both of those commissions, I was subject to the unitary
power of the presidency, So the President could have fired
(04:04):
me at any time.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
For any reason or for no reason.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Those I'd have to go back and look at the
exact language of the commissions. I'm quite proud of those commissions.
You know, out of I don't know, but not very
many people out of three hundred and fifty some million
Americans have a presidential commission.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
I've got two level.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And I have them very nicely framed, and they're hanging
in my office at home. I don't make any bones
about it that I'm proud of those. Those commissions, signed
by the President and the Secretary of State, authorize me
(04:51):
to serve in that those two positions that I had
subject to the executive subject to the president, so that
at any time, for no reason at all, the president
could just decide, you know what, I just I want
to change. I want to change the direction of the
(05:14):
department or the sub cabinet that list that you're heading.
I want to make a change. And so therefore I'm
going to now what's my recourse. Nothing I could if
I really wanted to completely kill a political career or
completely kill any future employment by anybody that has any
(05:35):
sense whatsoever, fight it. But that fight will be public,
and you're going to lose that fight. So when when
Trump named Cash Battel as his nominee to serve as
the FBI director, the FBI immediately came out and issued
(05:57):
a statement. I don't have it in front of me
because I really don't.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I don't give a ratsass about it. But it said
something to the effect that, well, the FBI and all
the men and women who work for the FBI, including
FBI Director Christopher Ray, are busy working on behalf of
the American people to keep America safe and and of course,
I would like to add parenthetically, and to continue to
spy on all of you who engage in protests at
(06:23):
school board meetings, or that go to pray in front
of an abortion clinic, or that you know, we need
a we need a win somewhere. So we're gonna set
you up and try to convince you to go strap
on a suicide vest somewhere, and we're going to convince
you of doing it. But we're gonna give you a
fake vest, and even though you had no intention of
(06:43):
ever doing it, some matter, we convince you to do it,
and so we entrap you into doing it, and we're
you know.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's just it's all ball craft.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
That's why I made the argument on the weekend program
that the smartest thing that that Cash Betel could do.
This is just a little parenthetical. It is to destroy
the Counterintelligence Division of the FBI, which I know people
I tried to point this out Saturday, but for some
reason people weren't hearing what I was saying. The Counterintelligence
(07:13):
Division of the FBI, which is a STAB, which was
established by the Patriot Act. Yes, was done under my
old boss, and I think it's a huge mistake. The
FBI is a law enforcement division. That's what it's supposed
to do. It's supposed to enforce the laws. It's supposed
to investigate crimes. It's not supposed to spy on Americans. Now,
(07:38):
if they think of crime as being committed, or if
they think of crime is about to be committed, then
they should do the really you know, gumshoe work that
needs to be done to go investigate that individual that
might be a suspect and go try to find out
if they're about to commit a crime, and try to
prevent that crime from being committed. If they can improve
(07:59):
a conspiracy to commit a crime. Uh, you know, whether
it's one or two individuals, you know, one person you
can engage in a conspiracy to commit a crime because
that one person you can go about, you know, acquiring
all the materials and goods and whatever they need to
commit the crime. Well, that's a conspiracy. You don't need
a counterintelligence division.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
It's it's an essence.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
A it's creating a CIA domestically to spy on Americans. Now,
some police departments, most notably the NYPD. The New York
Police Department has a intelligence division, but their intelligence division
(08:42):
is solely to prevent terrorist attacks, and so they rely
on other intel agencies. They have an agreement with the CIA,
so that if there is intel that is developed overseas,
because remember the.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
C I A.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
C I A is air quotes here prohibited from spying
on Americans or operating domestically, nonetheless, the need the NYPD
has an agreement with the with the CIA that if
there is intel developed overseas in which that intel indicates
(09:24):
that New York is a target of some potential tariffs attack,
the c I A and the and the and the
Intel division of the NYPD will share that information, not
all of it, but whatever NYPD needs to know to
handle the situation up to an including making arrest on
(09:46):
domestic soil. If there is some nexus between the intel
developed by the CIA and what's what they know about
what's happening domestically, FBI can do the same thing. They
don't need their own counter intelligence, and in fact the
counterintelligence is a great example of mission creep and has
(10:09):
led to things like spying on Americans going to.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
School board meetings.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Cash Battel, let me back up before I get to
him specifically, so cash Battel gets nominated.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And the Left goes crazy. Do you know why they
go crazy?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
I mean, I know all the reasons that the cabal
will tell you that they go reasy, that they go crazy.
The cabal goes crazy because he has said things that
they find disturbing, that they find that, Oh my gosh,
this is the kind of guy that is going to
(10:52):
destroy the FBI.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Do you remember.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Struck Stroke, Andy McKay, the little triumvirate in the FBI.
They talked about having an insurance policy that, you know,
if Trump gets elected, don't worry about it. We got
ways we're gonna take care of him. I mean, they
were conspiring the Russian hoax, the Steele dossier, fusion GPS.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Do you remember.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I know it's ancient history because it occurred, you know,
eight years ago or longer. And Americans have short term
memory loss. They're smoking too much marijuana. That's what they're
upset about. But why are they upset about things that
(11:48):
they were involved in.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Because the guy by the name of Cash Battel used
to work for.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Devin Nunya, congressman from California, who was on the House
Intel Committee, who developed a memorandum, a memorandum that was
let me see, I've get it pulled up here, dated
January eighteen, twenty eighteen, subject Foreign intelligence Surveillance Act PAISA,
(12:19):
PISA abuses at the Department of Justice and the FBI.
The purpose of the memo. This memorandum provides members an
update on significant facts relating to the Committee's ongoing investigation
into the DOJ and the FBI and their use of
FISA during the twenty sixteen presidential election cycle. Our findings,
(12:41):
which are detailed below. One raised concerns with the legitimacy
and the legality of certain DOJ and FBI and interactions
with the PHISA Court, and two represent a troubling breakdown
of legal processes established to protect the American people from
(13:02):
abuses related to related to the phis A process. Now,
I've been hypercritical of the FISA Court and the whole
phis A process again established nd the Patriot Act, because
it is so easily subject to abuse, and it's subject
to abuse because you're unlike you know, Let's say that
(13:27):
the local Denver Police department, if there are any actual
investigators or detectives left, and they are investigating a murder case,
but they need a wire tab, or they need a
search warrant, or they need something, they need a court
(13:48):
order to allow them to do something, search warrant, whatever,
it might be they develop and put together and then
under oath say that everything we're presenting to you, Judge,
is true, and we're verifying its truthfulness so that you
(14:09):
can read what we are claiming to be the basis
for our requests for a search warrant. Let's just say,
let's just say basic search war, a Fourth Amendment search war.
So the judge relies upon their representations, including in many
cases they're actually appearing before the judge in his chambers
(14:30):
or her chambers and having a discussion about, Okay, what
is this evident show and what are you looking for?
And why are you doing it? And how solid is
this and how do you develop this? Judges will oftentimes
ask lots lots of questions. Now, sometimes I'm being be
completely objective here. Sometimes judges, depending upon the detective and
their track regard with that detective, will simply read the
(14:52):
affidavit for the search warrant and go, okay, well that
meets all the elements here, signs the search warrant, hands
the search warrant over to the detective, and they go
execute the warrant.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
The Phiza court can do that, but often does not.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
They rely upon the FBI because the FBI is supposed
to have all this integrity, right, but they don't, and
they lied. They lied in order to get warrants to
spy on the Trump campaign. To spy on Trump, they
relied on fake documents, They relied on the public news
reports about the fake documents, and Cash Battel working for
(15:40):
the Intel, working for the House Majority, the Republicans on
the House Intel Committee at the time, developed this memorandum
dated January eighteen, twenty eighteen. Now I forget when. I
think it was sometime also in twenty eighteen that they
(16:01):
asked the White House to declassify that memo, and the
White House declassified the memo, and then the proverbial feces
hit the thing because, oh my gosh, this memo is
full of untruth. It's false, it's inaccurate, it's misleading, it's
it's every pejority of adjitive you could find to describe
(16:23):
this that they the Left went after this memo like
applies to a bugs to a bug light. It turns
out the memo was entirely true.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Michael, I have a question. Haven't we all heard of
the term at well employment arrangement? It's a basic tenet
of employment in America.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Is it not?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Yes, in the private sector. In the public sector, it's
not in the public sector. Particularly that this is the
problem with I want to avoid going down the rabbital here.
The civil service is incredibly difficult to terminate. Now, that
(17:16):
can be done, but you're facing different bargaining units, like
like one individual may be a member of a couple
of different unions. And then you have the Merit Protection Board,
which basically requires that there has there has to be
cause to terminate a civil servant.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
And then you have the lawyers. So you've got.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
You've got three whammies against you when you try to
get rid of them. Now, political appointees an entirely different animal.
Political appointees are indeed that and they are at well employed. Please,
even if you have a term of office, like the
(18:06):
FBI director who has a termament, you know, you get
a pointed, you get appointed for a term of ten years.
Well during that ten years, presidents can change or a
president nominated you can change their mind. Remember, as you
hear all of this stuff about Cash Patel and the
(18:28):
current FBI director, Christopher Ray, remember Donald Trump fired James
Comy in the middle of his tenure. So just keep
that perspective in mind, because the cabal is going to
try to convince you that somehow either Donald Trump can't
fire Christopher Ray or.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That there's gonna be some huge battle.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Well I don't. I'm sure that they want a battle
by day. I mean the FBI they want a battle
because all I'm going to tell you about Cash Mattel.
In fact, I'm not gonna tell you. I'm gonna let
Andy McCain tell you about Cash Mattel is exactly why
they're opposed to him. He is probably the most qualified
(19:17):
to clean it up. Listen to this is CNN, and
this is this. This is not the one I was
originally going to use. The one I was originally going
to use was from yesterday, but this is from this morning.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
You want to ask right now on this the CNN
senior law enforcement analysts former Deputy Director of the FBI,
Andrew mccab So, the.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Very guy, this may take forever to get through this,
the very guy that was involved in the abuses of
the Pisa Court and the Russian hoax and the Steele
dossier and Fusion GPS. The very guy that was involved
in all of those Krau, and I would argue illegal activities,
(20:03):
is the illegal analyst for CNN, your honor, I arrest
my case.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
That's all you need to know.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So as you hear him bitch and moan about Cash Paatel,
just remember who you're listening to.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Hey, what's your take on Cash Battel being picked ahead
up the FBI?
Speaker 7 (20:24):
Okay, it's it's a somewhat confounding pick. You know, there's
a there's a whole there's a whole conversation to be
had about whether or not he's qualified for the job.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I would argue he's clearly not.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
He doesn't have the experience and knowledge of the law
enforcement community.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Is a fairly undistinguished legal career.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
He doesn't really have a fraction of the qualifications that
any former FBI director chosen by any president has.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
But that's really not my main concern.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
My main concern is what it says about Donald Trump's
intention for the FBI and where Cash Paateel might take
the FBI if he's confirmed as director, and that all
points in one direction, and that is back to the
FBI's regretful history of acting as essentially the enforcement arm
(21:13):
for the president's political activities. That's where we come from
as an institution. That's who we were under our first director,
Jay Edgar Hoover. But it is something we've gotten away
from in the last fifty years, the post Watergate, post
Church Committee, Pike Committee investigations, and the FBI today is
(21:34):
an independent entity that the nation relies on to enforce
its criminal laws and protected from national security threats.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
So I think it's a really really concerning pick.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And some of the things that we know Cash Mattel
has said he would like to do with the FBI
Justice Fartment. He's called for a comprehensive house cleaning of
the Justice Department.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Well, that's pretty bad. He's called for a house cleaning
of the DOJ, including the FBI. Well, uh, nobody wants that,
do we? Why would we need that.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
That he wants to the He wants to dismantle or
shut down FBI headquarters in Washington.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yes, you know they got it. In fact, I blame
Trump for this.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
This is one of the things that bugs me about
Trump is why did Congress and Trump go along with
the FBI's request to build a new building. I've been
in the FBI now, it's been quite a while. Since
I've been in the FBI building. But you know what,
it's an FBI building. They don't need a new building.
(22:40):
Nobody in DC needs a new building.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Nobody and have it be turned into a museum of
the deep state. If you would do that, it would
be clearly hugely disruptive. If it's something short of that.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Oh, disruptive, I thought that's what we voted for.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Then what.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, it would almost certainly be something short of that.
Speaker 7 (23:06):
That's not kind of an absurd you know, podcast talking point.
If he's actually if he's actually serious about that, I
guess it means he doesn't understand that the seven thousand
people who work at headquarters, six thousand of them are
not even agents.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
They are scientists.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
And computer specialists and analysts and secretaries and professional support
staff who aren't clearly wouldn't be sent out around the
country to.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Work as cops, as he's threatened, But.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
It would be a significant disruption to pursue any you know,
any portion of that. And that again is you know,
it gets back to my concerns about him, and.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
He gets back to my concern We don't want to disruption.
We're we're we're just marching along fine to our own tune,
doing what we want to do, violating the law when
we want to just going after our political enemies, and
we don't want to be disturbed. That's all this mounts to.
They don't want to be disturbed. They want to be
(24:02):
left alone. And CNN brings out one of the most
corrupt individuals in the FBI to be their legal analyst
tells you a lot about CNN. It also tells you
that everything that he's bitching and moaning about is exactly
why we want Cashptel there.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
We haven't heard anything from Cashpitel about what his what
his plans will, what's his vision for the FBI?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
What does he say in what ways does.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
He think he could make the FBI more effective or efficient?
Speaker 5 (24:32):
And it's just importance your decades of working the FBI.
He's facing Will Will would face confirmation. What question would
you have for him given the breadth of your knowledge
and experience in serving in the department.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Oh many, Kate right there there.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
You shouldn't even think about accepting a nomination like this
unless you're someone who has spent a lot of time.
I am thinking about understanding the FBI, knowing its people,
and how it works, and having a clear, articulable vision
about where you intend to take the organization.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Every new FBI director.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
You know, I've ever worked for the FBI. I'm not
in law enforcement. I've never been a law enforcement officer.
I've never been a LEO. I've got a vision for
the FBI. I want it to be the nation's premier
law enforcement agency that treats every citizen equally, fairly with
(25:38):
due process. And I want every member of the support staff,
whether that's somebody working in the lab, whether that's a
trainer at Quantico, whether that's a secretary, whether that's a
data processing person, whether that is you know, just an
agent that works, you know, works the case at headquarters.
(26:03):
I want them to be adherence to the law, the constitution, fairness,
basic tenets of due process, both procedural due process and
substantive due process. And I want everybody treated equal under
the law, and I want the rule of law followed.
If you want me to, I can take some time
out and write a mission statement for the FBI right
(26:25):
now if you wanted me to. And I have I
have zero I mean, have I been involved with law enforcement, yes,
But have I been a LEO no, but I know
exactly what I want, and I think that's what most
Americans want. You want the cop on the street. You
want the cop that stops you, you know your you
(26:46):
know you're speeding, but you want the cop to treat
you fairly, with respect, dignity, with due process, reasonableness, all
of that. That's that's all we want. If if you
are a if you're a child molester, then you know
(27:07):
that the cops are going to smack you around a
little bit because you're going to resist and they're gonna,
you know, force you in the car and you're but
you're still going to get due process and they're going
to have a case built against you. And if they
don't have a case against you, they're not going to
come after you. So don't be a child molester. So
it's like taxpayer relief shots. You know, when the officer
(27:30):
asks you to put your gun down and you don't
and you point the gun at the cop, the cop
is going to shoot you and you're going to end
up maybe d RT, and you know what, it sucks
to be you, but you didn't do what you were
supposed to do. We want cops to be cops and
the FBI are cops. Now, they are specialized in some areas.
(27:53):
You know, they do forensics, and they do all sorts
of you know, stuff that you know, maybe an ordinary
patrolman doesn't. But the end of the day, they're just
cops and that's what we want them to be. Now,
how does cash Battel fit in with that. Let's think about.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
His experience, Mike.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
If you want to know what shady crap the Democrats
are up to, just listen to how they blame the
Republicans and what they are blaming the Republicans for because
Rust assured the Democrats are doing it.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
The blowback against cash Battel really hits home with me
personally because he's being, in my opinion, unjustly maligned for
doing his job and for doing it the right way.
Go back to that memo, the memo which exposed the
(28:52):
House It wasn't the House Intel Committee, was the House
Special Intelligence Committee on Russia or something?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It add some special name.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
He's the he was the investigator that uncovered all of
the FBI abuses. To me, that alone qualifies him. But
he's so much broader than that. He was the chief
of staff at the Pentagon. That is a humongous job.
I would put the chief of Staff at the Pentagon
(29:25):
just below Chief of Staff to the President. He also
carried at the same time the title of assistant Deputy
Assistant to the President.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So as chief of staff, he's.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Responsible for more than three million employees, a seven hundred
and forty billion dollar budget, and two trillion dollars in assets.
He served as Deputy Director of National Intelligence. The DNI
oversees all seventeen intelligence community agencies. He's done the Presidential
daily Brief and brief Cabinet members and all these nations
(30:00):
security issues. He led President Trump's counter Terrorism Mission. He
was the Deputy Assistant to the President of the National
Security Council, and his focus was on eliminating high value
targets such as Al Qaeda and IS's leaders, while at
the same time in charge of repatriating American hostages. He
(30:22):
was a national security prosecutor at the DOJ under the
Obama administration. During his tenure there, he led investigations into
terrorism and served as the DOJ liaison officer to the
Joint Special Operations Command at Jaysak. He was coordinating operations
in high threat areas even served as a public defender
(30:45):
at one time, trying complex cases across federal, state, state courts.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
This is a striking.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Combination of prosecutorial acumen, defense advocacy, high level government service,
and is a blend of broad government experience that sets
him apart from all of his predecessors. In fact, I
(31:14):
would argue that where other FBI directors have come up
short cash battel excels, you compare.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Him to think of that.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Just think back on some of these names, Christopher Ray,
William Webster, Clarence Kelly, Thomas, Picard, William Sessions, every single
one of those, y'ah, who's had less prosecutorial experience than
Cash Betail's in his years of experience and prosecution, including
high stakes cases focused on national security and counter terrorism,
(31:44):
that alone tips it in his favor. And then his
experience as a defense attorney, well, that sets him apart
from Bob Muller, James Combe, Christopher Ray, who had little
or no exposure to that side of the legal system.
You know, there's there's nothing better than a lawyer that's
(32:04):
been on both sides of the of the court room
as defense counsel and as a prosecutor. He knows what
it is to argue on behalf of the accused, to
ensure that justice is not only administered, but administered properly
with due process, something that's sorely missing in the FBI today.
(32:26):
Oh you know, in fact, I may there's other things
that cash betail. Yeah, I'm
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