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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael. The thing about Elon Musk's son saying you're not
the president. It was when they were all in the
Oval office and addressing the room full of journalists, and
the little boy turned to the left and said shush,
and then also said you're not the president. And it
was he was talking to one of the journalists, I
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believe because Trump also when the little boy said that,
turned his head to the left to see which journalist
he was talking.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh, all right, well in that case, then the comment
by Michael Steele is even dubber than I expected. But
then when you're running and raving, who as one who
rants and raves, sometimes understands exactew what was going on.
(00:52):
Margaret Brennan and John Curz are discussing doge. Whoever thought
that word or that acronym turned into a word whatever
become part of our lexicon, blexicon, dooze Department of Government efficiency.
It's all you hear now, doose those dose? Do you
remember when sixty Minutes did their discussion with the German
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prosecutors about you know, if you offend somebody on the street,
or you say something in the privacy of your home,
or you repost something on X how that could be
a violation of their speech codes and you could be
arrested for it. And everybody's, oh my gosh, you know,
because we don't want to offend anybody. Well, let's first
go to face the nation.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yesterday, federal employees also received an email I'm sure you've heard,
telling them to reply by midnight Monday to a message
with five bullet points of what they accomplished in the
last week. Elon Musk tweeted failure to do so would
result in firing Utah thirty three thousand federal employees.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Is that how they should be treated?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So listen, let's go back to thirty six thousand trillion
dollars of debt and we have to do something dramatic now.
To answer your question, I don't believe. So, you know,
I just published an OpEd Desertnews dot com Desert dot com,
and I talk about my experience as mayor and having
to do similar things.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
If I could say one thing to.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Elon Musket's like, please put a dose of compassion in this.
These are real people, these are real lives, these are mortgages.
It's a false narrative to say we have to cut
and you have to.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Be cruel to do it as well. We can do both.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, it's not just about efficiency, though, I mean the
President himself has characterized this as getting rid of bad people.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Sometimes people are bad. They're poor performers, they're bad employees.
They they are not productive.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I'm curious about this here, though, Michael, about considering your
claim to be a lawyer and whatnot. I don't how
are these emails coming to these employees. Are they coming
from outside of the business, Because if say McDonald's emailed
me and said, here at iHeart, said, what did you
accomplish last week, it's have to tell you crap right.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
No, it's coming from the Office of Personnel Management.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Okay, So it's coming coming from within, from a from
that person's higher up.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's coming from the department within the executive branch that
establishes all employment policies. The Office of Personnel Management is
like it's not a perfect comparison, but it's like the
HR department.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
So for the federal government, because because our boss, you know,
or whichever one we want to choose, our boss here
in this building, and if we have too many by
the way, correct, So if Pittman email to us and
said Hey, what did you accomplish?
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Yeah, this is like, this is he's not my boss,
Yeah he is.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
If you know, let's talk about this. So you're saying
that if you got an email that was from Bob
Pittman and said I want to know what you did
for the past week, you'd refuse to answer it.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
I would go to my direct bosses and go, hey,
this is okay, this is okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You know I don't. I don't.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
I don't feel that I I don't report to him.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Okay, But my guess is your your boss. We're both
wanting to the same person. That person would tell you, yeah,
but that came from corporate, They came from the CEO.
You need to answer it. Okay. That's what For example,
let's say I was still the undersecretary and so in
my purview within DHS, if any of those employees came
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to me and said, hey, we got an email from
the Office of Personnel Management asking us what we did
for the past week, I'd say, you need to answer it.
Reay and my and my my advice to you would
be if you got an email from Bob Pittman or
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Rich Bresler, the CFO, and said I want to know
what you did you know, or tell me what you
do in your job, or however it might be phrased.
My advice you would be answer it bekay, because ultimately
that's the chain of command. If if Bob Pittman decided, now,
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I assume you don't have a written contract, correct, That's
what I thought. So if if Pittman decides that for
whatever reason, he heard something bad about you, and he
decides that he wants you gone, he's going to pick
up the phone and call one of these other two guys,
one of three people in this building, one, two or three,
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and say I want that guy gone, and you're going
to be gone, right because they're not going to argue
with him.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah, I agree to agree to that.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Right. So I think that my my, again, my advice,
you would be answer the email because it's coming. It's coming.
It's an official government email coming from in essence the age.
Let's let's put it in this. Let's put it in
a parallel in a true uh analogous situation. So you
get one from HR for you, that's our Do you
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get an HR for you at iHeartMedia dot com that
says we need to know what you did last week?
Tell us the five things you did last week? Would
you answer that one?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I would go to again, I would go, hey, why
are they curious about this? What's going on? Is this
a real thing kind of thing?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Because I think that's I think that's legitimate. Yeah, you know, hey, listen,
I got I got this from HR for you. They're like,
you know, uh, in your case or at least one
removed from your supervisor. So yeah, I don't think that's unreasoned.
I think what's probably I just think they would still
tell you, yes, it came from corporate.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Answer right, yeah, Again, if if my direct bosses say yeah,
go ahead and fill this out. This is something that's
mandated by it's like, okay, perfect, that's fine, I'll go
ahead and do that. But I think what's what's confusing,
shockingly enough, is the way the media.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Is reporting this, saying.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
You're gonna get an email from Elon.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Which you didn't, right, which is not true. You're not
getting an email from.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Elon musk dot com, right, and you must feel this
out and send it back or you're fired.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Like if you I got an email from Elon at
SpaceX dot com we'd be basically f off, screw that
crap out right, or elon from PayPal dot com or
what boring dot com, whatever it might be. Yeah, totally
blow it off. But yeah, if if the domain is
iHeartMedia dot com and it's anybody above us, my advice is, yeah,
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you can still go ask you know who and I
know what you know who's going to say, and this
going like, yeah, it came from corporate.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So if you're a federal employee and you're getting something
from dot Gov saying hey.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
What did you do, particularly the Office of Personnel Management.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Then yeah you probably should.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
But like I said, the way, the way the media
seems to be reporting this is that you're going to
be geting trying.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
To tell me that you think the media is trying
to be misleading and what they're reporting about these emails
going out is that what you're really trying to say
never happen. Now, I can't believe you think that way.
You know, I regret that narrative. You know, By the way,
I should point out this is a senator from Utah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We all know, you know, thousands millions of federal workers
who are good people who work hard. But the reality
of it is we have three million federal workers, not
all of them do many aren't coming to work. In
my business, working from home, you need working from home?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Was home? Well there, as he's about to say, let's
hope they're working from home, but they're working from home.
You wouldn't believe number of conversations I've had with people.
I won't say where, but oh yeah, I air quote here,
work from home.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Some a little bit in my business working from home.
Working from home was hope they're working from home. We
don't know. That's why the email, What are you doing?
It's not unusual in a corporate setting to have people
report and explain what they're doing, especially if they're working
from home. So I don't think this is a request.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Is that difficult?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I would ask my employees to let me know what
they're doing, but I will double down on the fact
of we don't need to be so cold and hard,
and let's put a little compassion and quite frankly dignity
in this as well.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
To let me say something so Friday, when I talked
about this, I pointed out that the real world is
that oftentimes people get laid off, riffed, fired, whatever, without
any notice, you get called into the boss's office, you're
told to hand in your key card, gather up your belongings,
sometimes not even given time to gather up your belongings. Hey,
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we'll box them up for you later. And you you know,
if you if you dare come back, we might have
it stored somewhere. We can't promise you anything. And one
of one of the many government employees that listened to
this program was offended by what I said. Well, I
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stand by by what I said, and that is, in
the real world, you do not have the protections that
you have at the government level. The civil service system
has become probably the most immovable object in the federal government.
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And that's saying a lot, because there's a lot of
immovable objects in the federal government. So I read through
the email and I thought, they're just as I've often said.
Maybe I don't say it often enough, but as I've
often said, there were many people that worked for me
that were career civil servants that actually did a very
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good job. And in fact, I put some of them
on my direct staff, knowing that they were Democrats and
knowing that they disagreed with many things, but nonetheless I
trusted them to carry out what I expected them to
carry out, and indeed they did that. But just because
there are a few good does not mean that you
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cannot say, and I will continue to say that there
are a lot of bad, and there are a lot
of unnecessary, and there's a lot of duplication, and they
all need to be removed. Now. In so far as
compassion is concerned, I can tell you that I find
that hilarious in this regard. Rarely is compassion shown in
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the private sector. Dragon, When when you got laid off,
was there a lot of sympathy? Was there like, oh, Jimney, Christmas,
we feel so badly about this, or was it this
is what we got to do, you're gone? Or was
it somewhere in between.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
It was a little bit in between. But more or less, Hey,
these are the numbers, man, It's got to happen.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, so it is what it is. Yeah, let's make
this quick, easy, get out of here. Yeah, that's the
real world. And I don't know why many people have
so much difficulty understanding that. Well, finally somebody has come
out and said what needs to be said, Selena Zito,
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where was sixty minutes when Russ's belt jobs were cut.
She right, September seventeen marked forty eight years since thousands
of workers who were mainly men, did what they did
every Monday in the valley. They walked into the Campbell
Works of Youngstown Sheet and Too along the Hanging River
for the early shift that day. There was a lot
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of ribbing over the big game of Monday night football
between the Browns and the Steelers. The workers held almost
evenly divided loyalties, with both cities almost equidistance. Within an
hour of the workers shift, Youngstown Sheet Into abruptly furloughed
five thousand of them in a single day. Within six
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within months, sixteen more plants owned by US Steel shutdown,
including Youngstown based Ohio Works. She continues. The company cited
foreign imports, lack of profitability aging facilities, and the cost
of growing government regulations on the industry to explain the move.
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And of course, she points out that the workers were mumbling,
they were upset, they were grumbling about you know, it
didn't help us that they didn't upgrade the facilities. They
didn't give us what we needed. Of course you always
have those complaints. Well, the company didn't do this. They
didn't do that, of course, because that's always true. I
got light bulbs. Wow, I got light bulbs. The lines
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are still broken, but they got light bulbs. Within three days,
she says, more than one hundred thousand signatures were collected.
Five chartered buses of three hundred men, local elected officials
and faith leaders went to Washington deliver their message to
Jimmy Carter, who was president at the time. Former Senator
John Glenn remember him, the astronaut joined them for a
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rally saved the steel industry. Lynn said Carter never bothered
to send out an aid, to even receive the petitions
when they arrived, or even acknowledged them. National newspapers buried
the story on page A twelve. If the New York
Times even wrote about it, Selina Zito, who is a
journalist extraordinary, a columnist extraordinaire, could not find it anywhere
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in the New York Times or archives. As she points out,
those workers were expendable to the elite. Had the Mahone
Valley River Valley been hit by a rocket, the region
would have looked no less hallowed out. Only a few
years later, exactly one year ago, one year ago, sixty
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miles south we're in West Virginia. Nine hundred people lost
their jobs in much the same way when Cleveland Cliffs
Steel announced it was idling its ten plate production plant,
the last ten plate plant left in the United States
thirty years ago. More than ten thousand people worked at
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that plant. Now it's shuttered. People don't like to lose
their jobs, and I don't believe that most managers like
firing people. I don't think they do. But the reality is,
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when you look at a business and you look at
the numbers, sometimes you gotta cut. And sometimes when you're
cutting nine hundred, five thousand, whatever it is, how are
you to show compassion? Assuming that there wasn't email back
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when the plant first, when they shut her the first
five thousand, there wasn't email. So what a little postcard everybody? Hey, sorry,
you know, sorry you had lay you off. You know,
here's a Christmas turkey. It doesn't take away the steam.
But the bigger question is you've got all of these stories.
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And she points out that sixty minutes Scott Pelley interviewed
a woman by the name of Christina Dry. She lost
her job during the USAID shut down. She says this
to sixty minutes twelve days ago. People knew where their
page next paycheck was coming from. They knew how they
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were going to pay for their kids' daycare, their medical bills,
and then all gone overnight. Wait a minute, the same
thing is said by every individual in the private sector.
I knew where my paycheck was coming from Friday, I knew,
you know what I was going to get paid. I
knew how I was going to pay the bills, and
then boom, it's just gone sixty minutes. Nor anybody other
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than the local newspapers that still actually still existed at
the time, covered any of the stories that Selina Zito
was just pointing out. Well, now here we are, and
the days of job security for anyone not working for
the government began just incrementally descending starting in the nineteen seventies.
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By the nineteen nineties, the New York Times survey showed
that two thirds of Americans believed that job security had deteriorated. Well,
I'll take it one step further. I don't think job
security exists anymore. So why why suddenly, this is a
legitimate question, Why suddenly is there so much national concern
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being driven by the cabal over individuals in government losing
their job. He didn't care about the steel worker. You
don't care about the radio production crew. You don't care
about them.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Why not?
Speaker 7 (18:32):
In twenty twenty one, the same liberals who are crying today,
we're cheering on our president Joe Biden for firing anybody
that didn't want to take an unproven and untested vaccine. So,
in my opinion, crime a River booooooooooooooo.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You need to be more compassionate in all seriousness as
And this is what I both love and hate about
radio is I know that people weave in and out
all the time. And I know, even if you're listening
all the time, even if you're a P one listener
and you've got the radio on turned on, you know,
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to this program all four hours, you don't hear everything
that I say. And I understand that. And so when
I get, you know, nasty text messages or emails about
you know, I'm like, well, you didn't hear me say.
You know, you didn't hear the first five sentences of
what I said. And I get it, and I just
blow it off. I don't care. But let me say
it again, everyone, private sector, public sector doesn't make a
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rats ass difference to me, I feel sorry for those
people I've been fired in my lifetime. It is a
horrible feeling. It hits at your self confidence. You ask yourself,
what did I do wrong? You instantly start unless you've
managed to somehow, which fortunately I've mostly been a able
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to do. Set yourself up pretty well financially so you
can survive it. Most Americans have not. There's some outrageous
statistic about the number of people who could not pay
for a thousand dollars emergency. I find that astonishing, but
it's the truth. So yes, I have great sympathy and
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empathy for those people who lose their job, regardless whether
it's a private sector job or a public sector job. However,
this great hue and cry over government workers losing their
job is beyond my comprehension. Why. Well, I know why,
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but we'll get to that in a minute. Why should
I feel any differently about a private sector person who
is take just taking up space, consuming too much oxygen,
not doing a damn thing, making my job actually harder
because I've got to do more because they're not doing
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their fair share. They're gone. I've known people that were
like that that I was on the one hand, glad
that they were gone, but also at the same time,
which proves that two things can be true. At once
glad that they were gone, while at the same time
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I felt badly because, well, they have been fired. Maybe
now they can find something to do that fits more
of what their capabilities are, or you know, they can
find something where they don't really have any responsibilities, they
just have to go through some motions whatever. Oh, that
might be a government job. Shouldn't have said that, But
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that's the smart ass in me. I just don't understand
this out cry of everybody screaming about public sector employees
losing their jobs. That doesn't mean that I think that
every public sector employee is a worthless piece of crap.
But I can tell you from personal experience that there
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are thousands, if not millions, of public sector employees. I'm
not talking about just the federal government. I'm talking at
all levels of government that are just eating up your
hard earned tax dollars, and I'd like to see them
be treated exactly the same way the private sector does.
How many times have we heard, oh, we went to
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government to run like a business. Well, now someone's trying
to run the government like a business. And the cabal
has stepped in, and now the cabal is going bullet Now,
why would they suddenly go ballistic? Why would the cabal
all of a sudden be, oh my god, we've got
to go out and defend these people. I can tell
you exactly why, because this is how they go after
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the president. Why do you think they came after me
so hard? Did I make mistakes? Of course I made mistakes.
But was I primarily to blame for things that went
wrong during Katrina? No? I was not, absolutely was not.
But the cabal used me to go after the Bush administration.
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The cabal is now using these laid off employees who
in many cases should have been laid off decades ago.
Oh why there's just no compassion being shown for them.
If you think that I'm alone, smart ass four four
sixty seven. Why I didn't hear you? Fifty two thirteen, Michael.
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So all those things happened to me at my manufacturing
job regarding the COVID vaccine, and the media wanted me
exiled and jailed for not taking the shot. I lost
my job for getting the shot nine zero five to five, Mike. Importantly,
government is not to be compassionate, not proper role of government.
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I would add to that that the government cannot be compassionate.
The government is bound by a box, and within that
box are all these rules and regulations that they're supposed
to follow. So when they come after you for violating
some rule or regulation, are you expecting them to be compassionate?
Because if you are, you're fooling yourself because they're not
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going to be sixteen oh three Michael, And rarely is
their compassion shown by the government employees to the citizens
when they deal with them. True, you know there is
an extent. Now I'm going to say something and I'll
probably run into the exception today, So I have to
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run by to get I've got to run by it
Douglas County DMV office because I've got to get a title.
I've got to get a clear title on something. Now.
This one particular location that I walk into, the people
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behind the counter have always been very efficient, very friendly,
and have been very quick at getting whatever I needed
done done. However, I would like to fire the little
nut job that sits behind the check in place. Who
is I want you to think about this, So you
walk into a Douglas County DMV place, you got to
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get a new tag, or you got a register of a
vehicle or whatever you have to be doing. And of
course you can make an appointment. So if you walk in,
you know you should be able to scan your QR
code that shows you've got an appointment. But then they
still make you take a number. And I'm like, well,
I just checked in, so you know I'm here, so
I'm showing up on everybody's screens, so why do I
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take a number? But even beyond that, there's somebody sitting
behind the check in counter. Now what are they doing? Well,
I suppose if I'm trying to rationalize it, Well, they're
there for people who don't know how to take a number.
I guess where it stays.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Why the chair doesn't roll away?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, exactly, they're there, So the chair they're sitting in
doesn't roll away. That's exactly why they're there. I cannot
in good faith rationalize why in this day and age that.
I mean, even let's say you don't know how to
make an appointment. Let's say you're an old fart like
dragon and you don't know how to scan your phone
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with your QR code on it when you made the
appointment or you don't know even how to know how
to make an appointment. That's why you could still take
a number. You don't need a person there, But by Gully,
there's a person there, and every time I look at them,
I think to myself, I wonder how much I'm paying
you to sit there and do this. So there's an
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example of where I'm going to go into a government
building today. That's actually it's actually a government it's not
a government building. It's they've leased out some space and
I'll probably get some Really, I hope I'll continue to
get really good service behind the counter, as I always
have in the past, but I'll still look at the
little numbnut sitting behind the chair at the check in
place and tak to myself, why are you here? Why?
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What's here? Gooble number seventy four hundred, Mike. I have
meetings with my supervisor every two weeks. We discuss what
I've been doing and address any issues I'm having. WTF, Well,
that's what I'd like to say too, Dragon, can you
imagine that? And we Dragon, I want to be careful
because Dragon and I like to be just left alone.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
We enjoy being left alone.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
We enjoy being left alone. So I'm kind of fascinated
by the phrase and address any issues I'm having. Well,
I fell the broken blinds, i still have the unhealthy,
hazardous workplace that I'm working in. We've still got the
broken light switches, we still got the exposed drywall, we
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still have all of the cables hanging from the cables
hanging from the ceiling. We still still got all of that.
So you know, I've tried to address them. It doesn't
any difference. Just consider for a moment that Americans have
been screaming for decades about inefficient, ineffective government, and now
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whether you and look, let me, let me tell you
where I'm coming from. I think what Doge is doing
is in and of itself pretty damn good. I would
call it a good start. But that's it. It's just
a start. It's just kind of trying to get the
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landscape kind of like what is kind of what are
we dealing with here? In so far as the numbers
are concerned, I'm happy that we save any money, But
when you step back and you look at a six
trillion dollar federal budget, you can't be happy at all.
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When you look at a thirty plus trillion dollar national debt.
You cannot be happy other than to say, hey, at
least we've started something. I say all of that because
I don't want you to get too excited, and I
don't want you to get to enamored by this process.
Be happy we've started a process. But because this is
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the first time in my lifetime that there has been
a semi quasi coherent process does not mean that it
doesn't need to be tweaked, improved, expanded, you know, put
in place for In fact, I've got a local story
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in a minute, not local here, but a local government
story about where they're trying to do do something similar. Well,
imagine it's doing it in Colorado, because Colorado is facing
a what did I say this morning, dragon? What was it?
One point two billion dollar budget deficit? One point two
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billion dollars. Now, I don't know what your income taxes are,
and your property taxes and your sales taxes. I know
what mine are, and they're outrageous. So I'm not willing
to pay anymore, and I'm not willing to give up
my taxpayer Bill of Rights refund so they can fill
their budget hole. Colorado, All of you yahoo's at the
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poloit Bureau and you domb ask Governor Jared Polis, you
need to fix it. And one way I would fix
it is stop giving illegal aliens public health, public education,
public transportation, whatever else benefits we give them. Cut it off,
quit feeding the stray cat.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
Right you feel that I have one of your.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
P one listeners.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
I hear every word you say. I just choose not
to listen.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well, you know how they sometimes say that dogs look
like their owners, and owners look like their dogs. Do
you think the same thing's true with listeners of the program.
Are we like that? Yes? Okay, Well that's depressing, isn't it?
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Very much?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
So?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So Trump announced on True Social that Don Dan Don
Dan Bongino is gonna be the next deputy director of
the FBI under Cash Betel. The wedding's pretty good, isn't it.
I find this hilarious. Imagine that you are one of
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the other nominees to be the deputy secretary or the
undersecretary of another department or agency, or you're waiting to
be announced to be the next secretary of I don't know,
how do we have a secretary of agriculture yet?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Uh, But Trump has called the quote best ever pick. Yeah, okay,
well what about what about me? What wasn't I a
good pick? Uh? Bongino, who's a former NYPD officer, so
he's a big city cop a former secret service agent.
That's both pretty good qualifications to be the deputy director
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of the FBI. He has a master's degree in psychology
from City University of New York and he has an
NBA from Penn State. Those are pretty darn good credentials.
And of course you know him probably mostly as a
conservative commonator and one of the most successful podcasters I think,
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one of the original investors or founders of Rumble, and
he's willing to forego that to take on this position.
Trump emphasized that Bongino, Cash, Battel and Attorney General Pam
BONDI going to work to restore quote fairness, justice, law
and order in America. Now, assuming that's true, which I
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do believe it is. That is a dramatic shift for
the FBI because of what they've been focused on for
the past I don't know, umpteen years, political bias. He
wrote this great news for law enforcement and American justice.
Dan Bongino a man of incredible love and passion for
our country has just been named the next Deputy Director
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of the FBI by the man who will be the
best ever director, Cash Batail. Dan has a master's degree
in psychology from Cunay Cuney and an NBA from Penn State.
He was a member of the New York Department in
New York's finest a highly respect a special agent with
the United States Secret Services, now one of the most
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successful podcasters in the country. Something is willing and prepared
to give up in order to serve. Working with our
great new United States Attorney General Pam Bondi and Director PTEL, Fairness, Justice,
law and order will be brought back to America and quickly.
Congratulations Dan, Amen and amen. The winning's pretty good. And
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what I find fascinating about all of the appointments to
date is they all seem to be on the same page,
and they all seem to be enthusiastically embracing the Trump agenda,
and they all seem to be in many ways activists,
not just placeholders, not just because it's so easy to
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be captured by the bureaucracy. And for the first time
in my life, including including many people I saw in
the Bush, administration. Many people I saw during the Reagan administration. Well,
we're actually seeing are people who want to actively manage
their departments, who want to actively and hopefully successfully alter
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and change those departments and agencies for the better. And
I think that is a great example of how leadership
something I've been screaming that we've lacked in this country
for a long time. Leadership, setting a tone, setting an agenda,
and then holding people accountable. He's actually going to I
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think it's this week. Think you could be next week,
but this week or next Trump's actually going to hold
a cabinet meeting, and doctor Jill Biden is not going
to conduct the meeting.
Michael. The thing about Elon Musk's son saying you're not
the president. It was when they were all in the
Oval office and addressing the room full of journalists, and
the little boy turned to the left and said shush,
and then also said you're not the president. And it
was he was talking to one of the journalists, I
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believe because Trump also when the little boy said that,
turned his head to the left to see which journalist
he was talking.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Oh, all right, well in that case, then the comment
by Michael Steele is even dubber than I expected. But
then when you're running and raving, who as one who
rants and raves, sometimes understands exactew what was going on.
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Margaret Brennan and John Curz are discussing doge. Whoever thought
that word or that acronym turned into a word whatever
become part of our lexicon, blexicon, dooze Department of Government efficiency.
It's all you hear now, doose those dose? Do you
remember when sixty Minutes did their discussion with the German
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prosecutors about you know, if you offend somebody on the street,
or you say something in the privacy of your home,
or you repost something on X how that could be
a violation of their speech codes and you could be
arrested for it. And everybody's, oh my gosh, you know,
because we don't want to offend anybody. Well, let's first
go to face the nation.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yesterday, federal employees also received an email I'm sure you've heard,
telling them to reply by midnight Monday to a message
with five bullet points of what they accomplished in the
last week. Elon Musk tweeted failure to do so would
result in firing Utah thirty three thousand federal employees.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Is that how they should be treated?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So listen, let's go back to thirty six thousand trillion
dollars of debt and we have to do something dramatic now.
To answer your question, I don't believe. So, you know,
I just published an OpEd Desertnews dot com Desert dot com,
and I talk about my experience as mayor and having
to do similar things.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
If I could say one thing to.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Elon Musket's like, please put a dose of compassion in this.
These are real people, these are real lives, these are mortgages.
It's a false narrative to say we have to cut
and you have to.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Be cruel to do it as well. We can do both.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, it's not just about efficiency, though, I mean the
President himself has characterized this as getting rid of bad people.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Sometimes people are bad. They're poor performers, they're bad employees.
They they are not productive.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
I'm curious about this here, though, Michael, about considering your
claim to be a lawyer and whatnot. I don't how
are these emails coming to these employees. Are they coming
from outside of the business, Because if say McDonald's emailed
me and said, here at iHeart, said, what did you
accomplish last week, it's have to tell you crap right.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
No, it's coming from the Office of Personnel Management.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Okay, So it's coming coming from within, from a from
that person's higher up.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's coming from the department within the executive branch that
establishes all employment policies. The Office of Personnel Management is
like it's not a perfect comparison, but it's like the
HR department.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
So for the federal government, because because our boss, you know,
or whichever one we want to choose, our boss here
in this building, and if we have too many by
the way, correct, So if Pittman email to us and
said Hey, what did you accomplish?
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Yeah, this is like, this is he's not my boss,
Yeah he is.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
If you know, let's talk about this. So you're saying
that if you got an email that was from Bob
Pittman and said I want to know what you did
for the past week, you'd refuse to answer it.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
I would go to my direct bosses and go, hey,
this is okay, this is okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You know I don't. I don't.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
I don't feel that I I don't report to him.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Okay, But my guess is your your boss. We're both
wanting to the same person. That person would tell you, yeah,
but that came from corporate, They came from the CEO.
You need to answer it. Okay. That's what For example,
let's say I was still the undersecretary and so in
my purview within DHS, if any of those employees came
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to me and said, hey, we got an email from
the Office of Personnel Management asking us what we did
for the past week, I'd say, you need to answer it.
Reay and my and my my advice to you would
be if you got an email from Bob Pittman or
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Rich Bresler, the CFO, and said I want to know
what you did you know, or tell me what you
do in your job, or however it might be phrased.
My advice you would be answer it bekay, because ultimately
that's the chain of command. If if Bob Pittman decided, now,
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I assume you don't have a written contract, correct, That's
what I thought. So if if Pittman decides that for
whatever reason, he heard something bad about you, and he
decides that he wants you gone, he's going to pick
up the phone and call one of these other two guys,
one of three people in this building, one, two or three,
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and say I want that guy gone, and you're going
to be gone, right because they're not going to argue
with him.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah, I agree to agree to that.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Right. So I think that my my, again, my advice,
you would be answer the email because it's coming. It's coming.
It's an official government email coming from in essence the age.
Let's let's put it in this. Let's put it in
a parallel in a true uh analogous situation. So you
get one from HR for you, that's our Do you
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get an HR for you at iHeartMedia dot com that
says we need to know what you did last week?
Tell us the five things you did last week? Would
you answer that one?
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I would go to again, I would go, hey, why
are they curious about this? What's going on? Is this
a real thing kind of thing?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Because I think that's I think that's legitimate. Yeah, you know, hey, listen,
I got I got this from HR for you. They're like,
you know, uh, in your case or at least one
removed from your supervisor. So yeah, I don't think that's unreasoned.
I think what's probably I just think they would still
tell you, yes, it came from corporate.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Answer right, yeah, Again, if if my direct bosses say yeah,
go ahead and fill this out. This is something that's
mandated by it's like, okay, perfect, that's fine, I'll go
ahead and do that. But I think what's what's confusing,
shockingly enough, is the way the media.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Is reporting this, saying.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
You're gonna get an email from Elon.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Which you didn't, right, which is not true. You're not
getting an email from.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Elon musk dot com, right, and you must feel this
out and send it back or you're fired.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Like if you I got an email from Elon at
SpaceX dot com we'd be basically f off, screw that
crap out right, or elon from PayPal dot com or
what boring dot com, whatever it might be. Yeah, totally
blow it off. But yeah, if if the domain is
iHeartMedia dot com and it's anybody above us, my advice is, yeah,
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you can still go ask you know who and I
know what you know who's going to say, and this
going like, yeah, it came from corporate.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So if you're a federal employee and you're getting something
from dot Gov saying hey.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
What did you do, particularly the Office of Personnel Management.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
Then yeah you probably should.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
But like I said, the way, the way the media
seems to be reporting this is that you're going to
be geting trying.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
To tell me that you think the media is trying
to be misleading and what they're reporting about these emails
going out is that what you're really trying to say
never happen. Now, I can't believe you think that way.
You know, I regret that narrative. You know, By the way,
I should point out this is a senator from Utah.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We all know, you know, thousands millions of federal workers
who are good people who work hard. But the reality
of it is we have three million federal workers, not
all of them do many aren't coming to work. In
my business, working from home, you need working from home?
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Was home? Well there, as he's about to say, let's
hope they're working from home, but they're working from home.
You wouldn't believe number of conversations I've had with people.
I won't say where, but oh yeah, I air quote here,
work from home.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Some a little bit in my business working from home.
Working from home was hope they're working from home. We
don't know. That's why the email, What are you doing?
It's not unusual in a corporate setting to have people
report and explain what they're doing, especially if they're working
from home. So I don't think this is a request.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Is that difficult?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I would ask my employees to let me know what
they're doing, but I will double down on the fact
of we don't need to be so cold and hard,
and let's put a little compassion and quite frankly dignity
in this as well.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
To let me say something so Friday, when I talked
about this, I pointed out that the real world is
that oftentimes people get laid off, riffed, fired, whatever, without
any notice, you get called into the boss's office, you're
told to hand in your key card, gather up your belongings,
sometimes not even given time to gather up your belongings. Hey,
(10:03):
we'll box them up for you later. And you you know,
if you if you dare come back, we might have
it stored somewhere. We can't promise you anything. And one
of one of the many government employees that listened to
this program was offended by what I said. Well, I
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stand by by what I said, and that is, in
the real world, you do not have the protections that
you have at the government level. The civil service system
has become probably the most immovable object in the federal government.
(10:45):
And that's saying a lot, because there's a lot of
immovable objects in the federal government. So I read through
the email and I thought, they're just as I've often said.
Maybe I don't say it often enough, but as I've
often said, there were many people that worked for me
that were career civil servants that actually did a very
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good job. And in fact, I put some of them
on my direct staff, knowing that they were Democrats and
knowing that they disagreed with many things, but nonetheless I
trusted them to carry out what I expected them to
carry out, and indeed they did that. But just because
there are a few good does not mean that you
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cannot say, and I will continue to say that there
are a lot of bad, and there are a lot
of unnecessary, and there's a lot of duplication, and they
all need to be removed. Now. In so far as
compassion is concerned, I can tell you that I find
that hilarious in this regard. Rarely is compassion shown in
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the private sector. Dragon, When when you got laid off,
was there a lot of sympathy? Was there like, oh, Jimney, Christmas,
we feel so badly about this, or was it this
is what we got to do, you're gone? Or was
it somewhere in between.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
It was a little bit in between. But more or less, Hey,
these are the numbers, man, It's got to happen.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, so it is what it is. Yeah, let's make
this quick, easy, get out of here. Yeah, that's the
real world. And I don't know why many people have
so much difficulty understanding that. Well, finally somebody has come
out and said what needs to be said, Selena Zito,
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where was sixty minutes when Russ's belt jobs were cut.
She right, September seventeen marked forty eight years since thousands
of workers who were mainly men, did what they did
every Monday in the valley. They walked into the Campbell
Works of Youngstown Sheet and Too along the Hanging River
for the early shift that day. There was a lot
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of ribbing over the big game of Monday night football
between the Browns and the Steelers. The workers held almost
evenly divided loyalties, with both cities almost equidistance. Within an
hour of the workers shift, Youngstown Sheet Into abruptly furloughed
five thousand of them in a single day. Within six
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within months, sixteen more plants owned by US Steel shutdown,
including Youngstown based Ohio Works. She continues. The company cited
foreign imports, lack of profitability aging facilities, and the cost
of growing government regulations on the industry to explain the move.
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And of course, she points out that the workers were mumbling,
they were upset, they were grumbling about you know, it
didn't help us that they didn't upgrade the facilities. They
didn't give us what we needed. Of course you always
have those complaints. Well, the company didn't do this. They
didn't do that, of course, because that's always true. I
got light bulbs. Wow, I got light bulbs. The lines
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are still broken, but they got light bulbs. Within three days,
she says, more than one hundred thousand signatures were collected.
Five chartered buses of three hundred men, local elected officials
and faith leaders went to Washington deliver their message to
Jimmy Carter, who was president at the time. Former Senator
John Glenn remember him, the astronaut joined them for a
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rally saved the steel industry. Lynn said Carter never bothered
to send out an aid, to even receive the petitions
when they arrived, or even acknowledged them. National newspapers buried
the story on page A twelve. If the New York
Times even wrote about it, Selina Zito, who is a
journalist extraordinary, a columnist extraordinaire, could not find it anywhere
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in the New York Times or archives. As she points out,
those workers were expendable to the elite. Had the Mahone
Valley River Valley been hit by a rocket, the region
would have looked no less hallowed out. Only a few
years later, exactly one year ago, one year ago, sixty
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miles south we're in West Virginia. Nine hundred people lost
their jobs in much the same way when Cleveland Cliffs
Steel announced it was idling its ten plate production plant,
the last ten plate plant left in the United States
thirty years ago. More than ten thousand people worked at
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that plant. Now it's shuttered. People don't like to lose
their jobs, and I don't believe that most managers like
firing people. I don't think they do. But the reality is,
(15:56):
when you look at a business and you look at
the numbers, sometimes you gotta cut. And sometimes when you're
cutting nine hundred, five thousand, whatever it is, how are
you to show compassion? Assuming that there wasn't email back
(16:18):
when the plant first, when they shut her the first
five thousand, there wasn't email. So what a little postcard everybody? Hey, sorry,
you know, sorry you had lay you off. You know,
here's a Christmas turkey. It doesn't take away the steam.
But the bigger question is you've got all of these stories.
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And she points out that sixty minutes Scott Pelley interviewed
a woman by the name of Christina Dry. She lost
her job during the USAID shut down. She says this
to sixty minutes twelve days ago. People knew where their
page next paycheck was coming from. They knew how they
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were going to pay for their kids' daycare, their medical bills,
and then all gone overnight. Wait a minute, the same
thing is said by every individual in the private sector.
I knew where my paycheck was coming from Friday, I knew,
you know what I was going to get paid. I
knew how I was going to pay the bills, and
then boom, it's just gone sixty minutes. Nor anybody other
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than the local newspapers that still actually still existed at
the time, covered any of the stories that Selina Zito
was just pointing out. Well, now here we are, and
the days of job security for anyone not working for
the government began just incrementally descending starting in the nineteen seventies.
(17:50):
By the nineteen nineties, the New York Times survey showed
that two thirds of Americans believed that job security had deteriorated. Well,
I'll take it one step further. I don't think job
security exists anymore. So why why suddenly, this is a
legitimate question, Why suddenly is there so much national concern
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being driven by the cabal over individuals in government losing
their job. He didn't care about the steel worker. You
don't care about the radio production crew. You don't care
about them.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Why not?
Speaker 7 (18:32):
In twenty twenty one, the same liberals who are crying today,
we're cheering on our president Joe Biden for firing anybody
that didn't want to take an unproven and untested vaccine. So,
in my opinion, crime a River booooooooooooooo.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
You need to be more compassionate in all seriousness as
And this is what I both love and hate about
radio is I know that people weave in and out
all the time. And I know, even if you're listening
all the time, even if you're a P one listener
and you've got the radio on turned on, you know,
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to this program all four hours, you don't hear everything
that I say. And I understand that. And so when
I get, you know, nasty text messages or emails about
you know, I'm like, well, you didn't hear me say.
You know, you didn't hear the first five sentences of
what I said. And I get it, and I just
blow it off. I don't care. But let me say
it again, everyone, private sector, public sector doesn't make a
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rats ass difference to me, I feel sorry for those
people I've been fired in my lifetime. It is a
horrible feeling. It hits at your self confidence. You ask yourself,
what did I do wrong? You instantly start unless you've
managed to somehow, which fortunately I've mostly been a able
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to do. Set yourself up pretty well financially so you
can survive it. Most Americans have not. There's some outrageous
statistic about the number of people who could not pay
for a thousand dollars emergency. I find that astonishing, but
it's the truth. So yes, I have great sympathy and
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empathy for those people who lose their job, regardless whether
it's a private sector job or a public sector job. However,
this great hue and cry over government workers losing their
job is beyond my comprehension. Why. Well, I know why,
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but we'll get to that in a minute. Why should
I feel any differently about a private sector person who
is take just taking up space, consuming too much oxygen,
not doing a damn thing, making my job actually harder
because I've got to do more because they're not doing
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their fair share. They're gone. I've known people that were
like that that I was on the one hand, glad
that they were gone, but also at the same time,
which proves that two things can be true. At once
glad that they were gone, while at the same time
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I felt badly because, well, they have been fired. Maybe
now they can find something to do that fits more
of what their capabilities are, or you know, they can
find something where they don't really have any responsibilities, they
just have to go through some motions whatever. Oh, that
might be a government job. Shouldn't have said that, But
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that's the smart ass in me. I just don't understand
this out cry of everybody screaming about public sector employees
losing their jobs. That doesn't mean that I think that
every public sector employee is a worthless piece of crap.
But I can tell you from personal experience that there
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are thousands, if not millions, of public sector employees. I'm
not talking about just the federal government. I'm talking at
all levels of government that are just eating up your
hard earned tax dollars, and I'd like to see them
be treated exactly the same way the private sector does.
How many times have we heard, oh, we went to
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government to run like a business. Well, now someone's trying
to run the government like a business. And the cabal
has stepped in, and now the cabal is going bullet Now,
why would they suddenly go ballistic? Why would the cabal
all of a sudden be, oh my god, we've got
to go out and defend these people. I can tell
you exactly why, because this is how they go after
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the president. Why do you think they came after me
so hard? Did I make mistakes? Of course I made mistakes.
But was I primarily to blame for things that went
wrong during Katrina? No? I was not, absolutely was not.
But the cabal used me to go after the Bush administration.
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The cabal is now using these laid off employees who
in many cases should have been laid off decades ago.
Oh why there's just no compassion being shown for them.
If you think that I'm alone, smart ass four four
sixty seven. Why I didn't hear you? Fifty two thirteen, Michael.
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So all those things happened to me at my manufacturing
job regarding the COVID vaccine, and the media wanted me
exiled and jailed for not taking the shot. I lost
my job for getting the shot nine zero five to five, Mike. Importantly,
government is not to be compassionate, not proper role of government.
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I would add to that that the government cannot be compassionate.
The government is bound by a box, and within that
box are all these rules and regulations that they're supposed
to follow. So when they come after you for violating
some rule or regulation, are you expecting them to be compassionate?
Because if you are, you're fooling yourself because they're not
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going to be sixteen oh three Michael, And rarely is
their compassion shown by the government employees to the citizens
when they deal with them. True, you know there is
an extent. Now I'm going to say something and I'll
probably run into the exception today, So I have to
(24:53):
run by to get I've got to run by it
Douglas County DMV office because I've got to get a title.
I've got to get a clear title on something. Now.
This one particular location that I walk into, the people
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behind the counter have always been very efficient, very friendly,
and have been very quick at getting whatever I needed
done done. However, I would like to fire the little
nut job that sits behind the check in place. Who
is I want you to think about this, So you
walk into a Douglas County DMV place, you got to
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get a new tag, or you got a register of a
vehicle or whatever you have to be doing. And of
course you can make an appointment. So if you walk in,
you know you should be able to scan your QR
code that shows you've got an appointment. But then they
still make you take a number. And I'm like, well,
I just checked in, so you know I'm here, so
I'm showing up on everybody's screens, so why do I
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take a number? But even beyond that, there's somebody sitting
behind the check in counter. Now what are they doing? Well,
I suppose if I'm trying to rationalize it, Well, they're
there for people who don't know how to take a number.
I guess where it stays.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Why the chair doesn't roll away?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, exactly, they're there, So the chair they're sitting in
doesn't roll away. That's exactly why they're there. I cannot
in good faith rationalize why in this day and age that.
I mean, even let's say you don't know how to
make an appointment. Let's say you're an old fart like
dragon and you don't know how to scan your phone
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with your QR code on it when you made the
appointment or you don't know even how to know how
to make an appointment. That's why you could still take
a number. You don't need a person there, But by Gully,
there's a person there, and every time I look at them,
I think to myself, I wonder how much I'm paying
you to sit there and do this. So there's an
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example of where I'm going to go into a government
building today. That's actually it's actually a government it's not
a government building. It's they've leased out some space and
I'll probably get some Really, I hope I'll continue to
get really good service behind the counter, as I always
have in the past, but I'll still look at the
little numbnut sitting behind the chair at the check in
place and tak to myself, why are you here? Why?
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What's here? Gooble number seventy four hundred, Mike. I have
meetings with my supervisor every two weeks. We discuss what
I've been doing and address any issues I'm having. WTF, Well,
that's what I'd like to say too, Dragon, can you
imagine that? And we Dragon, I want to be careful
because Dragon and I like to be just left alone.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
We enjoy being left alone.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
We enjoy being left alone. So I'm kind of fascinated
by the phrase and address any issues I'm having. Well,
I fell the broken blinds, i still have the unhealthy,
hazardous workplace that I'm working in. We've still got the
broken light switches, we still got the exposed drywall, we
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still have all of the cables hanging from the cables
hanging from the ceiling. We still still got all of that.
So you know, I've tried to address them. It doesn't
any difference. Just consider for a moment that Americans have
been screaming for decades about inefficient, ineffective government, and now
(28:30):
whether you and look, let me, let me tell you
where I'm coming from. I think what Doge is doing
is in and of itself pretty damn good. I would
call it a good start. But that's it. It's just
a start. It's just kind of trying to get the
(28:51):
landscape kind of like what is kind of what are
we dealing with here? In so far as the numbers
are concerned, I'm happy that we save any money, But
when you step back and you look at a six
trillion dollar federal budget, you can't be happy at all.
(29:12):
When you look at a thirty plus trillion dollar national debt.
You cannot be happy other than to say, hey, at
least we've started something. I say all of that because
I don't want you to get too excited, and I
don't want you to get to enamored by this process.
Be happy we've started a process. But because this is
(29:34):
the first time in my lifetime that there has been
a semi quasi coherent process does not mean that it
doesn't need to be tweaked, improved, expanded, you know, put
in place for In fact, I've got a local story
(29:55):
in a minute, not local here, but a local government
story about where they're trying to do do something similar. Well,
imagine it's doing it in Colorado, because Colorado is facing
a what did I say this morning, dragon? What was it?
One point two billion dollar budget deficit? One point two
(30:17):
billion dollars. Now, I don't know what your income taxes are,
and your property taxes and your sales taxes. I know
what mine are, and they're outrageous. So I'm not willing
to pay anymore, and I'm not willing to give up
my taxpayer Bill of Rights refund so they can fill
their budget hole. Colorado, All of you yahoo's at the
(30:38):
poloit Bureau and you domb ask Governor Jared Polis, you
need to fix it. And one way I would fix
it is stop giving illegal aliens public health, public education,
public transportation, whatever else benefits we give them. Cut it off,
quit feeding the stray cat.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
Right you feel that I have one of your.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
P one listeners.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
I hear every word you say. I just choose not
to listen.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Well, you know how they sometimes say that dogs look
like their owners, and owners look like their dogs. Do
you think the same thing's true with listeners of the program.
Are we like that? Yes? Okay, Well that's depressing, isn't it?
(31:43):
Very much?
Speaker 6 (31:44):
So?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
So Trump announced on True Social that Don Dan Don
Dan Bongino is gonna be the next deputy director of
the FBI under Cash Betel. The wedding's pretty good, isn't it.
I find this hilarious. Imagine that you are one of
(32:07):
the other nominees to be the deputy secretary or the
undersecretary of another department or agency, or you're waiting to
be announced to be the next secretary of I don't know,
how do we have a secretary of agriculture yet?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I don't know?
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Uh, But Trump has called the quote best ever pick. Yeah, okay,
well what about what about me? What wasn't I a
good pick? Uh? Bongino, who's a former NYPD officer, so
he's a big city cop a former secret service agent.
That's both pretty good qualifications to be the deputy director
(32:42):
of the FBI. He has a master's degree in psychology
from City University of New York and he has an
NBA from Penn State. Those are pretty darn good credentials.
And of course you know him probably mostly as a
conservative commonator and one of the most successful podcasters I think,
(33:02):
one of the original investors or founders of Rumble, and
he's willing to forego that to take on this position.
Trump emphasized that Bongino, Cash, Battel and Attorney General Pam
BONDI going to work to restore quote fairness, justice, law
and order in America. Now, assuming that's true, which I
(33:24):
do believe it is. That is a dramatic shift for
the FBI because of what they've been focused on for
the past I don't know, umpteen years, political bias. He
wrote this great news for law enforcement and American justice.
Dan Bongino a man of incredible love and passion for
our country has just been named the next Deputy Director
(33:45):
of the FBI by the man who will be the
best ever director, Cash Batail. Dan has a master's degree
in psychology from Cunay Cuney and an NBA from Penn State.
He was a member of the New York Department in
New York's finest a highly respect a special agent with
the United States Secret Services, now one of the most
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successful podcasters in the country. Something is willing and prepared
to give up in order to serve. Working with our
great new United States Attorney General Pam Bondi and Director PTEL, Fairness, Justice,
law and order will be brought back to America and quickly.
Congratulations Dan, Amen and amen. The winning's pretty good. And
(34:26):
what I find fascinating about all of the appointments to
date is they all seem to be on the same page,
and they all seem to be enthusiastically embracing the Trump agenda,
and they all seem to be in many ways activists,
not just placeholders, not just because it's so easy to
(34:52):
be captured by the bureaucracy. And for the first time
in my life, including including many people I saw in
the Bush, administration. Many people I saw during the Reagan administration. Well,
we're actually seeing are people who want to actively manage
their departments, who want to actively and hopefully successfully alter
(35:18):
and change those departments and agencies for the better. And
I think that is a great example of how leadership
something I've been screaming that we've lacked in this country
for a long time. Leadership, setting a tone, setting an agenda,
and then holding people accountable. He's actually going to I
(35:39):
think it's this week. Think you could be next week,
but this week or next Trump's actually going to hold
a cabinet meeting, and doctor Jill Biden is not going
to conduct the meeting.
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