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The night Michael Brown joins me. Here the former FEMA
director talk show host Michael Brown. Brownie, No, Brownie, You're
doing a heck of a job. The Weekend with Michael Brown,
broadcasting live from Denver, Colorado. It's the Weekend of Michael Brown.
And I'm really happy, happy to have you joined the
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that I'm happy about it. So the text line is open.
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at Michael Brown USA. So I was going to talk
about this on Friday, but I had a dental procedure done,
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so I was out yesterday. So you guys get to
share it. And it's about last week was well, let
me just ask you here, are you happy? And if
you are, what makes you happy? And if you're not,
what makes you unhappy? Because last week we celebrated and
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I know you did too, World Happiness Day. Yes, Thursday
was World Happiness Day, which I didn't discover until after
the program on Thursday morning. That is World Happiness Day,
so I was unhappy about that. Apparently, World Happiness Day
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occurs every year on March twenty. So if you go
on to Google or dut Go or whatever search engine
you might use and search out World Happy Day or
just whatever, you'll find a lot of stupid stories about
World Happiness Day. And again it's because the media is
looking for anything they can to either fill twenty four hours,
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seven days a week on television or try to get
you to clickbait onto something on social media or onto
their news side or whatever they might have. And so
on World Happiness Day we always get the World Happiness Report,
which is hilarious. A headline in the Associated Press Finland
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is again ranked the happiest country in the world, while
the United States falls to its lowest ever position. Forbes
ran aheadline five lessons from Finland once again the World's
happiest country, published by the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network.
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That makes me Unhappy and the Wellbeing Research Center at
Oxford University. I probably should go there for some therapy.
I don't know, what do you think I think I should.
The basic message of the report that they put out
remained the same since they started doing this about thirteen
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years ago. The happiest countries in the world are in Scandinavia.
You ever been to Scandon. I've been to all of
the Scandinavian countries, and I've been to all the Scandinavian
countries at every time of the year, in the dark
of the winter and in the brightness of the summertime.
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And I don't think that Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway, I don't.
Necessarily I didn't. I didn't find them particularly happy. And
it's been it was the last time I was in
any of those countries, maybe ten years ago, maybe less.
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And I would say that today they're probably even less
happy today than they were then. Now, despite being one
of the richest large countries in the world, we always underperform,
We're never very happy. This year, we came in twenty
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fourth out of one hundred and forty seven countries that
are covered in this stupid report. We're We're much further
behind poorer countries like Lithuania and Costa Rica. Now, I've
also been to Lithuanian, I've been to Costa Rica. Now,
Costa Rica I found although it's been several years. I
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found Costa Rica to be quite happy. Or maybe it's
because I was happy because I was busy drinking pinacoladas
or margarita's or just sipping tequila on the beach. But
I seem to be quite happy while I was in
Costa Rica. Now I don't know about Costa Ricans themselves,
but I was happy. Now, I have to admit that
I've always been a little skeptical about rankings and lists.
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Every time I see one, I always joke about it,
but I'm always intrigued by it. What's their methodology? How
do they come up with these stupid things? And because
I've been in these countries that are supposedly the happiest
in the world, and I haven't necessarily found them to
be all that happy. Pleasant, Yeah, fairly pleasant, although I
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have to admit, not the most recent but the very
first time I went to Denmark or Norway or Finland
was I had a security detail with me, and because
I was the under secretary at the time, and also
because I was usually there as part of a delegation.
So you know, you're whined and dying and you're treated
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pretty well, and so everybody's happy, right, They're trying to
put on a good face. But the times I've been
there as a private citizen, I've found those countries to
be hmm, really not so happy. And it was like,
it's kind of like going to all you Alaskans, just
hang on, be nice. I'm gonna say something here. You
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go to Alaska, you know, on the dead of winter,
when you get about a couple hours if you're lucky
of sunshine. Eh, I don't know how you guys do it.
You go in the summertime, Yeah, you might now have
like twenty two hours of sunshine, but you also have
mosquitos the size of elephants, and so it's a you know,
there's always a trade off. I think the same thing
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can be said for these Scandinavian countries. So because it
was World Happiness Day, I decided to kind of follow
a hunch and look into the research on the topic
just just a little more and find out what I
could see what I could find out. News reports about
World Happiness Day and the World Happiness Report almost always
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give the impression that it's based on some major research effort.
You would think that, And I love getting I always
check my junk box for my iHeart email because oh
I shouldn't have already deleted them. But already this week,
I bet I've gotten five or six emails from people
that have done a study or they're the pr people
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for people who have done a study about do you
want to have so and so on, because they've just
compiled the list of whatever the list might be. And
I always I never use them. I never use the authors,
but I go find their list because usually they are
quite funny, as is this one. The report that is
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put out by the World Happiness People is compiled annually
by a consortium group, so it's not just anybody else,
but it includes a bunch of people out the Gallup Organization,
and of course the United Nations, because when I think
about happiness, I think about the United Nations, because it
kind of reminds me of the bar scene in Star Wars.
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In an article about last year's report, the New York Times,
because when I think happy always, you think about the
New York Times too, they warned that the United States
fell out of the top twenty. They didn't express any
sort of skepticism. They didn't go into the detail about
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the who, what, where, when or why the five ws.
They just made the assertion that we fell out of
the top twenty, and that is a dark, stark warning
for the country. Hmmm, what was going on last March
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twenty Oh yeah, we were having a presidential election and
we had a demented old fart in the White House.
I wonder why we may have fallen out of the
top twenty. So in light of all of these pronouncements,
and of course you won't find any critical voices in
any of these news stories, you might begin to believe that, oh,
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this is a very sophisticated algorithm. This is very sophisticated
research that all these organizations, because a Gallop Gallup's a
well recognized organization. United Nations not so much. It's not
based on any major research effort. Far from measuring exactly
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how happy people are with some sophisticated mix of some
sort of indicators or you know, merits or metrics that
they might use. No, it simply compiles answers to a
single question asked to a comparatively small sample of people
in every single country. So three hundred and fifty plus
million Americans in this country, and you ask a thousand people,
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the Michael Brown's you need. Sore time about World Happiness Day,
which I missed, and I'm really happy about it. So
here's the question. I never knew this since I started
digging into it. The World Happiness Index, in which we
rank twenty four out of one hundred and forty seven
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we keep dropping, is based on this single question. All right,
here you go? You ready? Please imagine a ladder with
steps numbered from zero at the bottom to ten at
the top. Suppose we say that the top of the
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ladder represents the best possible life for you and the
bottom of the ladder represents the worst possible life for you.
If the top step is ten and the bottom step
is zero, on which step of the ladder do you
feel you personally stand at the present time? Where are you? Well?
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Because I know now about this question, I refuse to
answer it because the question is designed and I'll give
you details in just a second. The question is designed
to make you think about certain things because they use
the ladder as your way of thinking the bottom of
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the ladder. Well, what are some phrases we use in
this country? I've made it to the top, I'm starting
at the bottom. Or I was at the top and
I fell to the bottom. Hmm, do you know what
that ladder's called? In that question? Gallup uses this a lot.
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This is new to me, and I've been reading Gallop
for In fact, I've taken the the oh, what's the
Gallup inventory of personality traits and stuff. I've done all
of those tests and things, and this is the first
I've heard of this. It's called the Cantrell Ladder c
A n tril Cantrell Ladder. It doesn't really ask about
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happiness at all. In fact, I've now learned from a
lot of surveys that people tend to give a lot
of really different answers to questions about what makes them
satisfied with their life. In fact, what makes me satisfied
with my life might actually make you dissatisfied with your life.
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I work six days a week. Now some of you
will laugh and say, Brown, you don't work at all.
You're a talk show host. I don't think most people
really know how much work goes into doing a talk show,
particularly the way that I do talk. Many people just
rely on phone calls and they'll just let somebody yammer
on for fifteen minutes and they'll answer a question, move on.
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They don't really talk at all. I talked four hours
and three hours straight at a time, often interrupted by
obviously commercial which give me a time to rethink and
reset or for the sound bites that I tend to
use a lot. But what makes me happy about my
life my work, which is six days a week. You
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may look at Oh, I don't work six days a week.
I get tired after three days a week. I can't
do that. Everybody has something different, like having children may
make you happy. My children, my children's day make me
very happy. Raising my children. Oh my god, I'm surprised
they turn out as well as I do. I don't.
I mean, I'm told I was a good father, but
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sometimes I really question whether I was a good father
or not. At most, I would say that if you're
going to rank something based on this cantral ladder, what
it really might give us is something instead of a
happiness index, it might give us a world's self reported
life satisfaction report, And so the title of the report
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itself is probably deceiving. Gallup even has a story on
their website understanding how Gallup uses the countrial scale development
of the thriving, struggling, suffering categories. Apparently this ladder analogy,
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this ladder questionnaire has been around since like nineteen sixty five,
and Gallup uses it a lot in different kinds of surveys.
But when you stop and think about the survey and
the use of the ladder, hmm, I'm not sure does
a really good job of measuring somebody's satisfaction with their
own life When a set of researchers ask over a
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thousand survey respondents in the UK, but they took the
question to be getting at which I want to ask
you the same thing. What does the ladder scale get at?
When I ask you, please imagine a letter with steps
number from zero to the bottom to ten at the
top and the top is the best possible life and
the bottom is the worst possible life. How do you
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measure that yourself? What do you think it's getting at? Well?
I think I think it represents something that maybe you
did think about. I initially didn't think about it, but
think about wealth, rich, success, because isn't that how we
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kind of think about starting at the bottom of the ladder.
You get your first entry level job, you stepped onto
the first rung of the ladder. You may be happy
or not. Looking back, you may think, oh, I wasn't
happy at that first job, but at least I got
into the workforce. But now I've reached the pinnacle now
I'm the CEO of whatever that was. I went from
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the mail room to the CEO to the c suite.
M that's kind of a strange metaphor, isn't it the
top the bottom step. Now, apparently this NTREL letter is
the most prominent measure of well being, but I think
the results suggest you got to be caution in thinking
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about its interpretation because the cantral letter structure, actually the
structure itself and the question itself, I think influences the
participants to attend to a more power and wealth oriented
view of well being than all the other things. Your health,
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your very soul, your family. Isn't that just as important
as wealth or power, position, authority. That's just the beginning.
Probably the biggest problem with the World Happiness Report is
something else. It's The Weekend with Michael Brown. Text line
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number is three three one zero three. Keyword is Mike
or Michael. Go follow me on X at Michael Brown USA.
Are you really happy or not? Tonight? Michael Brown joins
me here, the former FEMA director of talk show host
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Michael Brown. Brownie, No, Brownie, You're doing a heck of
a job. The Weekend with Michael Brown. Hey, you're listening
to the Weekend with Michael Brown, And I'm really happy
that you are listening to the Weekend with Michael Brown,
because this was World Happiness Day last week, and well
last or Thursday was, but I missed it, totally missed it.
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No wonder, I was miserable all day Thursday. I didn't
realize it was World Happiness Day. But now you know,
and now you can be happy too. Except Gooble number
eighty nine nineteen, writes Mike, I'm happy that I had
no clue about all that happiness nonsense until you just
did a segment on it. Man, Am I happy about that?
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Or Guber number of ninety eight twenty three, Mike, I'm
not sure how happy I am, but at my age
late seventies, I'm very content with my life and my situation. Well,
see this on that scale, then on the Cantral ladder scale,
you'd have to be at the bottom, so you can
be very happy or yeah or zero, one, nine to
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five again, Mike, I guess, using Maslov's hierarchy of needs,
it's harder to explain than a ladder. Yes, or having
me wait through the commercial break does not make me happy? Oh,
poor baby, I'm so happy. H good number seven one
sixty eight. I'm just sorry to say how discouraged I
am after twenty four years of PTSD watching the kidnappers
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walk free. Well, I receive no justice. Sorry, Mike, I'm
emotionally failing at being happy. Well, I mean sorry about
the PTSD. But you need to climb the ladder. Need
to climb the ladder. Get us up on this scale.
Get America out of number twenty four, get us to
number one. This is such bull crap, which is why
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I'm happy to talk about it, because I think it's
so funny. Because hang tight. You may think this is
the end of the story, but it's not. Because I
dig I started digging a little bit further, I think
the biggest problem with the World Happiness Report is that
the metrics of self reported life satisfaction. I don't think
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that correlates at all with other kinds of things that
you and I probably very clearly care about. When you
and I talk about happiness, I would think that at
a minimum, you and I should expect the happiest countries
in the world to have some of the lowest incidences
of really poor mental health. But it turns out that
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the residents of the same Scandinavian countries that I told
you duticully celebrate their supposed happiness by being at the
top of this world happiness scale doesn't take much research.
In fact, I would say it might be a misnomer
to say that I did research. I googled something. Finland
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and Sweden, while at the top of the happiness scale,
persistently experience some of the worst suicide rates in the
entire European Union. They rank in the top five of
all of the thirty plus um EU countries according to
one recent stat that I've found. How can you how
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can you claim, I mean, if you're at the top
of the list for suicide rates, and you're consistently at
the top of the listing of suicide rates, how can
you be the happiest country unless you're just happy that
you off yourself. Scandinavia doesn't just seem to be maybe
a lot less happy than all these headlines try to
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convince us about. Have you ever thought about this? Because
one thing that kept running through as I kept digging
into this, You know, this is one of these squirrels
that I chase. Maybe, just maybe, and I know, maybe
I'm wearing a tinfoil hat when I say this. Maybe
they keep trying to convince us that all these Scandinavian
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countries are at the top of the happiness list, because
what are those countries? They're probably the epitome of the
European socialist welfare system. They're also the epitome they have
some of the worst mass migration of third world country
dirt bags than almost any other place in the world.
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If you're trying to escape, say from Africa or the
Middle East or any other third world craphole country, where
do you want to go? Yeah, it might be cold
and dark in the wintertime in the Nordic countries, but
you're going to go there because they're going to rapidly
we clim without any question, puts you on their welfare system,
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and you're going to live like a keen compared to
where you came from. Perhaps, just perhaps this is an
example of the cabal trying to influence you, albeit subliminally,
that hey, if you were more like Sweden, you'd be
happier if you It turns out that my hunch is
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actually born out by some of the data. Scandinavia kind
of writ large doesn't just seem a lot less happier
than the headlines are suggesting from this year, or actually
from any year. If you look at the at a
variety of the metrics that have at least as much
connection to a layperson's understanding of happiness as the single
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metric that the World Happiness Report uses, that stupid ladder,
then a country like Finland doesn't do very well. Two
researchers to a economists, Danny Blanchflower and Alex Brison, published
a paper recently discover what would happen to the World
Happiness rankings if they included a broader range of indicators,
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And when they did that, it turns out that, oh,
the ladder is probably upside down and the ladder is
probably the worst indicator of actual happiness. So instead of
relying on a single metric of life satisfaction, the stupid ladder,
if the bottom if the first wrong of the ladder,
at the bottom of the ladder is you being least happy.
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But then you climb up and you get to step
number five, and then you finally get to the top
of the ladder, step number ten, and that's supposed to
be the happiness, happiest part of your life. Yes, that denotes, oh,
maybe you're at the prime of your life. At the
you're making the most money in your life. You feel
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the most secure in your life. But then you st
we aren't asking other questions, and then it turns out
that it's different. The first four of their questions measure
different dimensions of what's called a positive effect, not effect,
a positive effect. They're based on asking you a responded
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their enjoyment of yesterday now once you stop and think
about yesterday now yesterday Friday. For me, Friday was really
kind of a lousy day at the dentist's for most
of the morning having a tooth fix, and I actually
couldn't smile a lot. But their question is, think about yesterday,
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did you smile or laugh a lot? Did you feel
well rested? Now? This morning, I woke up in a
really great mood. Took the dogs for about a three
mile walk, about a three and a half mile walk.
It was dark when we started, got to see the sunrise,
saw the sunrise on the mountains. It was a cool,
but not bitterly cold morning. And then I got came home,
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took a shower, and got ready to come in and
talk to you all. This makes me happy. Did you
experience anger yesterday? Well I didn't. Whether you were in
physical pain yesterday, well I was for a while. What
these two economists found is amazing. Responses to the latter
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question don't seem to correlate at all with expressions of
either a positive or a negative effect when they asked
their questions. For example, Denmark came top of their ranking
on the ladder, but Denmark liked all these other countries
did a lot worse. On the metrics of positive effect,
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such as like, how like the respondents to have been to,
as I said, to smile or laugh a lot the
previous When you ask that question, Denmark came one hundred
and eleventh out of one hundred and sixty four countries.
That's near the bottom. That's even worse than us. And
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on the metrics of negative effect, such as whether they
had worried a lot the previous day, they came in
ninety third out of one hundred and sixty four. So
the overall rankings conducted by these two economists look totally
different to the more famous version that's published by the
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United Nations, published by Gallop, picked up like by all
of the cabal, the New York Times, the Denver Post.
They all picked this up, and they all carry these stories,
and they all want to make you think, oh, it's
almost as if they want you to the cabal want
you to look at our ranking in this country twenty
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fourth out of one hundred and forty seven and say, see,
I told you things are really bad. And well, I
won't deny that some things in this country really are bad.
I'm actually quite optimistic about this country. Now. Maybe I'm
being foolish, some of you may think I'm being foolish,
but I'm actually quite optimistic. I think that if we can,
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if we can just get through some of the crap
that we're going through right now. The very fact that
for almost twenty years on radio I've been talking about
we've got to reach a point where we get off
this high and this progressive highway to hell. I think
we're taking that exit right now, and that makes me
very happy. It makes me optimistic. I'm also realistic, as
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I've told you, I'm always been a realist, and I
think that the exit is the first start. But actually
getting off onto the exit, as we're seeing right now
with bombings of Tesla and people screaming about They scream
about federal employees being laid off, but some company lays
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off one thousand or twenty thousand employees and it barely
gets a yawn. More happiness coming up next. I'll be
right back. Hey, welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown.
Glad to have you with me. I appreciate you tuning in,
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you know. I never want to miss an opportunity to
tell the audience how much I appreciate all of you
tuning in on a Saturday. You have other things to do,
and apparently this by tuning in makes you happy. Yeah,
and I'm really happy about that. By the way, if
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last point about this happiness scale. I'm so unhappy that
I missed on I missed it on Thursday. In a
culture that's really obsessed with happiness and wellness, I think
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that's why we see now. I haven't been inside a
bookstore in ages, but I assume it's still the same,
that the bookstore still exists. Yeah, I think they do.
You go into a bookstore, go to the self help
such section and there's a self help book on everything imaginable,
but how to improve your life thing? You know, you
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want to live to be you know how years old?
Eat this and don't do that. You want to be rich.
Won't do this and don't do that. I want to
be happy even though you're not rich. We'll move to
move to Baton, a country that's you know, has figured
out the key to happiness, because the government announced some
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seventeen years ago it would be focused on growing its
gross happiness index. Yeah, or people that I find, and
I have friends that are doing this right now. They're
sick of Colorado, which a lot of us are sick
of Colorado. So they're moving, and I worry about them
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because moving isn't necessarily going to bring you happiness. I'm
not saying it won't. I'm just saying that I think
they're convinced that just moving is going to make them happy,
and I think that there might be other things going
on that causes them unhappiness than just the fact that
Colorado's turning into a progressive crap hole state or is
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a progressive crapples state, to be more precise. But the
one great hack for you to improve your life or
how to improve your life nearly always turns out to
be a sham, or it's not nearly as gray as
you thought it was going to be. You know, Yes,
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if you're morbidly obese and you have a horrible diet,
you probably don't feel well and so that probably affects
everything about your life. On the other hand, if you're
belieming and anorexic, that probably affects your life too. So
it's all about striking a balance, in my opinion. So
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you think about world happiness day, I think there's probably
more sinister to it than what we want to admit,
and I think more broadly, supposedly serious news outlet outlets,
whether it's The New York Times others, they've got a
long way to go in subjecting publicity exercises like worlds
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Happiness Report to really journalistic scrutiny. Just why just publish
it without any commentary? Or is there not a journalist anywhere?
They would say, wait a minute. Every year we have
World Happiness Day. One, why do we have it? Two?
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Who's behind it? Three? What's the methodology? Now? It's just
a story to either make you feel good or subliminally
to make you feel bad. It's easy to see why
editors are really just tempted to assign some beat reporter
without expertise in social science to write up, you know,
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a fun little story, go out and interview a few
people about you know. I bet I don't know, but
I would bet you bet you a dollar to have
known that that Fox News or CNN or MSNBC went
out and did a man on the street interview on
Thursday about World Happiness? Are you happy today? And of
course they called out the best answers and left in
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the worst answers to do what to reflect their stations,
their network's point of view over the last years at
was like the New York Times or Oxford University, which
I mentioned earlier, the United Nations, they've all kind of
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been devoting themselves to fight against so called misinformation. Well,
it's certainly true that in our politics we're awash with distortion, lies, misinformation.
But any institution that wants to address that problem, I'll
to start by just looking in the mirror and cease
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spreading elite misinformation like the World Happiness Report. Tell you
what makes me happy. My work makes me happy so
much so that I don't consider it to be work,
even though at times it's difficult, and at times, you know,
there are days when I'm just exhausted when I finish
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this program, particularly if it's been a heavy political news day.
Sometimes it's disheartening. When it's not disheartening, I find it
funny actually, when I'll talk about something and I will
get almost instantaneously a text message about and listening to
you because you were talking about this, or I'm so
glad you finally talked about this. To diametrically opposed points
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of view, which just reinforces my theory. When I come
on air, talk about what I want to talk about,
talk about what interests me. If you listen to a
host that's talking about things that they're not interested in,
I bet you change the channel faster than a New
York minute, because if they're not interested in why would
you be interested in it. I'm happy because i got
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to walk my dogs this morning. I'm happy because I've
got two big, giant, big ass dogs. I'm happy because
I got to see the sunrise this morning. And I'm
happy too because I'm almost done and i know what
I'm doing for dinner tonight with my grandkids who happen
to be in town. So yeah, stop and measure what
really makes you happy. Don't rely on World Happiness Day
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to convince you any other way. So Weekend with Michael Brown.
Thanks for joining in. Everybody, have a great weekend, be happy,
and I'll see you next weekend.