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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, Mike Michael, mister Undersecretary, do you think it's curious
that Zelenski was willing to wear a suit for pause
Charles schwapnew Clause Schwab at the World Economics Forum, but
was not willing to wear one for Donald.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah. I've seen that too. And maybe maybe he wears
a suit for Charles Schwab too. I don't know. Maybe
when he goes in to check on his brooke reach
A County.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Does that?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Okay, Now let's let's let's fast forward now, because you
have a if you've listened to the last hour, you
have a baseline for kind of America's role in the
world in relationship to the other great powers, the old
Soviet Union, the for just for shorthand, the European Union,
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which is really a I'm just using it for a shorthand,
and obviously for communists China. But now let's do some
recent history. In twenty thirteen, John McCain stood in Kiev
and openly told CNN that the United States the delegation
was there because they were going to orchestrate a regime
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change in Ukraine. He even expressed his deep satisfaction that
Victorian Newland Barack Obama's State Department CIA operative was right
there beside him, helping him to pull the string the
strings on this joyful operation.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Joining me now, Senator John McCain, who I know as
Senator you have just addressed the crowd of protesters there
yourself and.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Fright before. I'm sorry, I'm sitting here because I know
what he's about to say. But let me give you
some context. So first, full disclosure, God rest is soul.
I couldn't stand John McCain. I think he's a horrible individual.
And John McCain, God bless his service. I get all
of that, but he's a horrible individual. And John McCain
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was a corrupt individual. If you want to look at
some of the origins of the old savings and Loan scandal,
you look at John McCain. If you look at someone,
if you want to think about the military industrial complex,
here's a guy who is part and parcel other military
industrial complex. Here's a guy who is acting as a
United States senator, almost acting as an arms dealer, and
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he wants regime change in Ukraine because he sees an
opportunity to help all of his fellow arms manufacturers. The
military industrial complex to make a boatload of money.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Joining me now, Senator John McCain, who I know as
senator you have just addressed the crowd of protesters there
yourself and and he have.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
What is it you are trying to do here?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Hopefully what we're trying to do is bring about a
peaceful transition here that would stop the violence, would give
the Ukrainian people what they unfortunately have not with different
revolutions that have taken place.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
A real Now remember we the I can't remember this name,
Yakanovich is the one that there that there are some
protesters who don't like him, and so they've taken to
the streets. These not as off Nazi battalions have taken
to the streets fomenting public and probably with CIA covert operations,
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trying to foment a counter revolution, the maiden revolution to
get rid of a duly elected Democrat president. I don't
mean Democrats party, a duly elected, a democratically elected president of.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Ukraine, legitimate society. This is a grassroots.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Bull crap of its grassroots. It's not anymore grassroots because
you know here, Victoria Neulan. In a minute, I'm not
gonna play it's a five minute phone call. But you've
heard about the Victoria Neulan phone call in which she
and her operatives back at the CIA, CIA and the
State Department are talking about, well, we've got three or
four choices here of who we put in office, Which
one do you want? And Newlan says something to the effect, well,
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I really like Yanks this one particular individual somebody else,
like you know, I got this person over here. They're
actually they're deciding in this country who they want to
place in power.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
In Ukraine, revolution here has been peaceful except for when
the government tried to crack down on them, and the
government hasn't done that since. But praising their ability and
their desire to demonstrate peacefully for change that I think
they deserve.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Let me ask you this about the US role. I
know that you have wanted the administration perhaps to consider
sanctions something to help boost the anti government protesters.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
The question to you is.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
While we're trying to work on so many things with
the Russians, for instance, with Iran and in Syria, is
this really a good time for the US to be
taking on Russia.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
So I don't think that we would be taking on
Russia and by the way. I am very pleased with
Secretary carry statement, our Deputy Secretary Victoria Newland, who was here. Look,
these people love the United States of America, they love freedom,
and I don't think you could view this as anything
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but our traditional support for people who want free in
democratic society. We're not talking about military action, we're not
talking aboutades. We are talking about the possibility of sanctions.
If they continue to brutally repress their people, that would
require some action on our part, just because that's what
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the United States of America is all about.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So he expresses this satisfaction that Victoria Newlan achurs John
Kerry all right there, because they're orchestrating a coup. That's
exactly what they're doing. Lindsey Graham, Amy Klobacher, John McCain
twenty sixteen, after Russia finally says, you've pushed us and
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pushed us and pushed us. Now, I'm not saying that
justifies Listen closely. So in twenty fourteen, Barack Obama, Victoria Newland,
John Carry, all of these y'ahho's, John McCain, Lindsey Graham,
they all sit back. They know they've pushed Russia to
the limit. And so Russia takes crime because Russia wants
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it wants a warm water port. It's got a place
for operations for its black sea fleet, and they take Crimea.
And what did we do? Nothing? Now, I just Okay,
you've pushed for a revolution, you've pushed for the overthrow
of a democratically elected president. You got what you wanted there,
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and then Russia invades and takes Crimea and you do nothing.
So I'm led to think to the conclusion that either
you don't have the cajones to try to push them out,
because I thought you believed in democratic, democratically elected elections
that you wanted them to have freedom. And yet you
allowed Russia to come in and take Crimea and you
just sat on your hands and didn't do anything. See
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how this begins to build up. Now go back to uh.
Now this is after Russia has taken Crimea. Lindsey Graham,
Amy Klobsher and John McCain twenty sixteen, openly collaborating with
the Asolph Battalion Nazis in Ukraine.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Because if IF says that's for you, But chidam.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Your fight is our fight was.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Twenty seventeen would be the year of offense, but that
he closes enough of them.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Hmmm, that seems kind of interesting. Twenty seventeen will be
our year of offense. We're gonna go on offence. We're
gonna We're gonna start pushing Lindsay Graham's act. Lindsey Graham
is advocating for war in twenty seventeen. M do you
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ever get the idea that maybe this country, or at
least the people that represent the deep state of this
country wanted Russia to invade.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
All of us will go back to Washington and we
will push the case against Russia. San enough of a
Russian aggression.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now, I love that. Enough of a Russian aggression Now.
The word aggression is interesting because you can classify Russia's
taking of Crimea as aggression. But once it's done, I mean,
why was it done. It was done because of what
you could term American aggression vis are the NATO. Yeah,
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let's just keep adding more countries. Let's just keep pushing it,
you know, inch by inch, country by country, mile by mile,
Let's just keep going closer and closer to Russia. Despite
the fact that Putin kept saying, don't expand NATO. That
was the agreement we had in the Budapest memorandum. You
wouldn't expand NATO, and yet you're doing it. And if
you understand anything about Ladimir Putin, you know he's a thug.
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You know, you know he doesn't give a rats. That's
about his people. What he cares about is his legacy.
He cares about his expansionism. He cares about taking over
Eastern You're getting the old Soviet block back together again,
and you know that we knew that, and yet we
pushed him to the edge.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
It is time for them to pay a heavier price.
Kindom our fight is not with the Russian people, but
with Putin.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Lets pitch it in.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Our promise to you is to take your calls to Washington.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
That's vas.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Tongue, informed the American people of your bravery, Manita.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
And make the case against Putin to the world.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Percussion from the question that was silmil site.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I believe you will win.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I am convinced you will win, and you will do
everything we can to provide.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You with what you need to win.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Yeah, but accordingly, sumuch to it. But it was that
you move on this amount.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I would also just kind of insert another kind of
a perspective on This is twenty sixteen. Again, this is
Lindsey Graham, Amy Klobisher and John McCain openly collaborating with
the AZOLVH Battalion Nazis in Ukraine. And what else is
going on at this time? Any anything in your head
going on? Oh yeah, you got Bearisma. You've got Joe Biden. Uh,
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you've got Biden with Hope threatening to withhold a billion
dollars in loan guarantees unless you get rid of a
prosecutor that's looking into barisma. You got all that going
on at the same time. See, the stuff doesn't happen
in the fact, you and we.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Have succeeded not because of equipment, but because.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Of your courage.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
If speaking.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So, I thank you, And the world is watching.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
And the world is watching because we cannot allow Vladimir
Putin to succeed here, because if he succeeds here, he
will succeed in other countries.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
I see the state, if I see the same.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
State, because if he succeeds here, he will succeed in
other countries. So here we are with the argument that
if we allow think about the whole chicken and egg
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and think about Okay, so we orchestrate the for and foremost,
we violate the terms of the Budapest Memorandum, and we
expand NATO. Now, honestly, from a pure just NATO point
of view, you can have either a positive or a
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affirmative or a negative or an opposition idea or approach
toward the expansion of NATO. But we agreed that we wouldn't.
I actually think that agreement that we wouldn't was probably
a mistake, but we probably agreed to do that in
order to just at least get the agreement, knowing that
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full well that we would violate that agreement and we
would expand NATO. Now, I'm an individual who happened to
believe in the expansion in NATO, but I wouldn't have
lied about it at the time. I would have said yes.
In fact, I was one back much earlier than that,
trying to get Russia into NATO. Not because I support
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Vladimir Putin, but you know, keep your friends close and
your enemies closer. If Putin had any belief that he
might want to join the Western Alliance and actually start
aligning US economically, then there was a chance to do that,
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and NATO refused it, or certain memo cut nations did.
The Brits refused it, the French refused it, and I
don't I just don't remember about the Germans. So there's
Lindsay Graham and Amy Klobeesher and John McCain openingly collaborating
with the Asolph Nazi battalion at the time, and even
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before that. John McCain was in the square during the
Maiden Revolution filming the protest, standing alongside Jeffrey Piat the
US Ambassador Ukraine, Victoria Neuland standing behind him, and they're
all there in the square Kiev, all filming and watching
all of the riots taking place. Usaid was a fellow
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traveler with Newland and McCain during that. Uscid was funding
part of this. You cannot ignore what we were doing. Now,
let's fast forward because you get to a point and
we're going to start going back and forth here a
little bit. But now jump forward and listen to Vladimir Zelenski.
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This is after he wins election and he knows that
war is coming.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
But American weapons money for these weapons.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
I had as a president, I had cargo jets, not
in Ukraine because of the war. We moved them very
quickly to Europe. We had cargo, We have good cargo fleet,
very good or because of Antonov.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So I asked.
Speaker 9 (16:07):
American side to grant me the opportunity because our jets
are at another year airfield. And I asked America to
give me the opportunity to use our jets for transfer,
not to pay a lot to whom, to your companies,
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to American companies.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
No, I didn't get this opportunity.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
My jets stay put and the United States jets, cargo
jets move these weapons.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But everywhere you have to spend money.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
So we could get more weapons, but we have to
pay for this very expensive compleat My question.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Is this corruption or not? Or lobbyism?
Speaker 6 (17:03):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Give me a corruption on the part of the company
US companies, Yes, making such decisions.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
Yes, the lobbying for such decisions involved some companies that
make these decisions.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
But I can't be open about it. And oh pay,
I'd love to hear you and Dragon go at it
like Trump and Zelenski did.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Man, there'd be some good radio. My money. You'd be
on Dragon to win. Well, you'd lose because I'd finally,
just you know, I just I'd slip a crumbled cookie
out of my pocket and just hand it over. That's
shutting up, and I'd win the argument right there. True
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be done. Now you're gonna hear from Jeffrey Sachs. Jeffrey
Sachs is an American political commentator. He is a uh,
he's an economist, he's a trade expert, he is he's
a liberal, he's a left winger. But I want you
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to listen closely because he's brilliant in terms of succinctly
stating the history of how we are where we are.
Right now, he's talking to a forum about how do
we get to where we are?
Speaker 10 (18:24):
Or not the propaganda that's written about this, oh that
they failed and he was going to take over Ukraine.
The idea was to keep NATO. And what is NATO.
It's the United States off of Russia's border.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And this is a salient point that I think we
all understand. While it is indeed the North Atlantic Treaty Organization,
who's who is it? Really? It's US. It's the United
States of America because we apply, which is one of
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Trump's big bugaboos. We supply most of the arms, the money,
the funding, we maintain the basis in Europe, we do
all of that.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
So NATO is US.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And that's important to understand because if you're Vladimir Putin
and you look at NATO, you don't necessarily look at
Poland or Germany or France. You look at the fact
that it's the United States driving international policy.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Or no less.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
When the Soviet Union ended in nineteen ninety one and
an agreement was made that NATO will not move one
inch eastward. Now what happened after nineteen ninety one, The
United States decided there would be no end to eastward
enlargement of NATO, and the decision was taken formally in
nineteen ninety four when President Clinton signed off on NATO
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enlargement to the east, all the way to Ukraine and
into Georgia. So the NATO enlargement, as you know, started
in nineteen ninety nine with hungry polar than the Czech Republic,
and Russia was extremely unhappy about it. But these were
countries still far from the border. So the next round
of NATO enlargement came in two thousand and four with
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the three Baltic States, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia and Slovakia. At
this point, Russia was pretty damn upset, so, as everybody
recalls be in two thousand and seven, President Putin said
stop enough, and of course what that meant was in
two thousand and eight, the United States jammed down Europe's
throat enlargement of NATO to Ukraine and to Georgia.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
This is right up against Russia, and Russia.
Speaker 10 (20:37):
Protested because if Russia decided to have a military base
on the Rio Grande or the Canadian border, not only
would the United States freak out, we'd have war within
about ten minutes, and a month later war broke out.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Do you remember the war in Georgia? See nobody remembers that.
So we expand NATO to Georgia. We're trying to expand
it to NATO. Boy, get it done. We expanded to
Georgia and Russia says stop enough, or in the vernacular
of Joe Biden, don't we did? And war breaks up.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So that gets Georgia destroyed.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
And starting in twenty ten, the US put in AEGIS
missile systems in Poland and then in Romania, and Russia
doesn't like that. In twenty ten, Victoryanikovich was elected on
the platform of neutrality.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh, now you understand why it was that Victoria Newland
and all the other players, McCain, Graham, everybody wanted to
overthrow him because he wanted to be the Switzerland, if
you will, of Eastern Europe. We just want to be neutral.
We don't want NATO expansion here. We would like some
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you know, economic help from you know, the United States,
but that's pretty much it. But we don't want you know,
missiles or anything else, because we saw what happened in Georgia.
So we just want to be neutral.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Russia had no territorial interests or designs in Ukraine at all.
What Russia was negotiating was a twenty five five year
lease for Sevastopol naval base.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Now where is that naval base Crimea? Russia was negotiating
a twenty five year lease to have that base in Crimea.
We wouldn't have any of.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Them, that's it.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Not for Crimea, not for the Donbos.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Nothing.
Speaker 10 (22:34):
In twenty fourteen, the US worked actively to overthrow Yanikovic.
Everybody knows the phone call by my Columbia University colleague,
Victoria Newland and the US Ambassador Peter Piat listen to it.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's fascinating. I don't think we should go into the government.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think we've got to do.
Speaker 10 (22:53):
Something to make you don't get better evidence. Then came
Mince and especially Mince too. It's said there should be
autonomy for the Russian speaking regions in the east of Ukraine.
It was supported unanimously by the UN Security Council. The
United States and Ukraine decided it was not.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
To be enforced.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
There were many thousands of deaths in the shelling by
Ukraine in the Donbas and one of the issues on
the table is let.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Me back this up just a bit, because what' you understand?
This is now Ukraine bombing the Dombas region, which is ethnically,
culturally everything that you get the language or Russian, and
now the Ukraine because we've now organized a coup and
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now we have let loose, and now the Ukrainians are
bombing their own territory. See how this is beginning to unfold.
This is this is much more complex, which is why
Trump understands that he can't take sides. It's not because
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he's a Trump, he's a Putin puppet, but because if
he's going to get Russia and Ukraine, or Russia, Ukraine
and NATO to the bargaining table for some sort of peace.
Then he has to remain neutral. He has to be
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as I said on the weekend program, he has to
be the mediator. So he's not going to take sides.
He's going to try to cut some sort of deal
with Zelenski on these rare earth minerals just so we
got some economic tie. And at the same time time,
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once he can get that done, he can go to
Putin and say, look, we've got this arrangement with Ukraine
because we need these minerals, and can we just continue
to have our talks to see if Russia is even
interested in negotiating, because we don't know that Russia is Russia.
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Putin has already outlined four or five non starter items
that we've got to get beyond to get him to
the table.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
This is all the truth.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That doesn't make Trump a Putin puppet. That makes Trump
a mediator. He's trying to mediate this. He's trying to
negotiate between two warring factions that are both absolutely at loggerheads.
But you can't understand that they're at loggerheads without understanding
how we got here. That's why the point he makes
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here is so important.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
And especially Vince too.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
It said there should the autonomy for the Russian speaking
regions in the east of Ukraine, that's the Dombas. It
was supported unanimously by the UN Security Council the United.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
It was supported unanimously by the UN Security Council for
the neutrality for the Dombas.
Speaker 10 (26:19):
Region Russian speaking regions in the East of Ukraine. It
was supported unanimously by the UN Security Council the United States,
and Ukraine decided it was not to be enforced. There
were many thousands of deaths in the shelling by Ukraine
in the Donbas and one of the issues on the
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table in December twenty twenty one January twenty twenty two
was does the United States claim the right to put
missile systems in Ukraine? And Blincoln told lavrev in January
twenty twenty two, the United States reserves the right to
put missile systems wherever it wants.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So the war started.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
What was Putin's intention in the war, It was to
force Zelenski to negotiate neutrality, and that happened.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
To negotiate neutrality, he wanted to force Zelenski to negotiate neutrality.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Happened within seven days of the start of the invasion.
Ukraine walked away nilatterly from a near agreement. Why because
the United States told them to The idea was that
there would be Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
By the way, who was the quote United States that
told him to walk away, Joe Biden. Joe Biden and
the Obama people working for Biden at the time, including
Anthony Lincoln. Hmmm, because there's a conflict of interest, because
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you're trying to preserve all of the corruption that you've
been engaged in in Ukraine.
Speaker 10 (28:03):
I personally think so in Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Georgia
that would deprive Russia of any international status by blocking
the Black Sea. And the American senators, who are as
nasty and cynical and corrupt as imaginable, say, this is
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wonderful expenditure of our money because no Americans are dying.
It's the pure proxy war. And since the US talked
the negotiators away from the table, about a million Ukrainians
have died or been severely wounded.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Boom, and that's where we are today. Now, considering where
we are today, go back to Friday, and when you
think about Friday, what really occurred there.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
The deep state and that includes can never let Trump
have a win on this. This was sabotage. He campaigned
to get this or ended. Can if they let him,
he's a hero. They can't let that happen, and they.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Won't, which is why you cannot buy into the cabal's
theory proposition, their incessant haranguing Trump as being a putin puppet.
And it's easy for people who have a dislike of
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Trump to latch onto that because that's the easy way
to jump. It's intellectually vapid, but intellectually that's what they're
doing there. Oh well, he's just a putt and pupet,
just trying to cave in to the US without understanding
any of this history of how we got here, none
of it whatsoever. It's the equivalents. It's sort of the equivalent.
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I can't say it's exactly analogous, but sure of the
equivalent of looking at the fact that we're now what
six weeks or something into the administration, and he has
not stopped inflation. The price of eggs is still too high,
the price of beef is still too high without understanding.
It took us, you know, COVID and four years of outrage,
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of of obscene spending to get us here, and those
prices have now stabilized, and now to bring those prices
down is going to take time. But oh, but let's
blame Trump. So the mask has slipped, and that shouting
match that occurred on Friday, if you go back, you know, first,
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I don't know why that they didn't do the signing
first and then have the press conference, except I wonder,
I have no evidence of this whatsoever, But I've got
anecdotal evidence that they knew Zelenski wasn't going to sign
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the mineral deal. So rather than face the embarrassment of
sitting down at a table and Zelensky then saying I'm
not going to sign it, they, which we say, had
everything set up to do. They had a lunch spread,
they had the table, they had the documents all laid out.
Secretary Descent was there, the Treasury Secretary Marco Rubio was there.
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They were all there ready for the signing. But they
didn't walk into that room first. They instead and walked
into the Oval office. Now that may have just been protocol.
Let's go to the Oval Office. Let's have our press conference.
We'll go to the signing, and then we'll have another
press conference post execution of the agreement. So, for whatever reason,
they walked into the Oval Office and everyone takes their position.
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They bring the press in and it's it's going okay.
The guy, there's a guy an influence. I don't think
he as a member of the cabal. Asks Zelensky about
his suit, like, why don't you show respect? Now? The
reason I don't think this was a setup is because
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Trump laughs about it. He doesn't pick on himy oh,
I think he looks great, you know Trump, so that
he's trying. Trump is trying to keep everything a little
light hearted. In fact, when if you listen to if
you watch the video of when Zelensky pulls up in
his suv, Trump jokes about, well, I see you got
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dressed up for the meeting. Great, kind of laughs about it,
puts his arm around and takes him into the White House. So,
at least superficially, everything seems to be even if they
knew that he wasn't gonna say, they were trying to
keep it somewhat light, trying to figure out how we're
going to deal with this. But I think Zolenski's been
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exposed for what he really is. Go back to that
SoundBite about the corruption. He was basically saying, Hey, we
were bribing American companies to haul stuff in. Now if
we were, if we're paying for everything, where is he
getting the money to bribe companies to bring weapons in
on their own planes versus what we're bringing because we
can't we can't fly them in, we can't be seen. Well,
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we can't have you know, C one thirty five or
C five a's, you know, with American flags on them,
the American tail numbers flying and landing in Kiev somewhere.
We can't have that because that makes us a direct participant.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
In the war.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So we're trying to keep hands off. So Zelenski's obviously
playing corruption and bribing other companies or maybe other countries. England,
I'm looking at you, France, I'm looking at you to
bring your plane in to bring this equipment in. So
let me get back.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
JD.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Vans, the Vice President, asked why Ukraine wasn't thanking the
United States for the billions in taxpayer funding aid and
instead of just thanking America as I'm certain his ambassador
and his staff told him to do. That's when it
started to going. The feasis
Hey, Mike Michael, mister Undersecretary, do you think it's curious
that Zelenski was willing to wear a suit for pause
Charles schwapnew Clause Schwab at the World Economics Forum, but
was not willing to wear one for Donald.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah. I've seen that too. And maybe maybe he wears
a suit for Charles Schwab too. I don't know. Maybe
when he goes in to check on his brooke reach
A County.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Does that?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Okay, Now let's let's let's fast forward now, because you
have a if you've listened to the last hour, you
have a baseline for kind of America's role in the
world in relationship to the other great powers, the old
Soviet Union, the for just for shorthand, the European Union,
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which is really a I'm just using it for a shorthand,
and obviously for communists China. But now let's do some
recent history. In twenty thirteen, John McCain stood in Kiev
and openly told CNN that the United States the delegation
was there because they were going to orchestrate a regime
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change in Ukraine. He even expressed his deep satisfaction that
Victorian Newland Barack Obama's State Department CIA operative was right
there beside him, helping him to pull the string the
strings on this joyful operation.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Joining me now, Senator John McCain, who I know as
Senator you have just addressed the crowd of protesters there
yourself and.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Fright before. I'm sorry, I'm sitting here because I know
what he's about to say. But let me give you
some context. So first, full disclosure, God rest is soul.
I couldn't stand John McCain. I think he's a horrible individual.
And John McCain, God bless his service. I get all
of that, but he's a horrible individual. And John McCain
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was a corrupt individual. If you want to look at
some of the origins of the old savings and Loan scandal,
you look at John McCain. If you look at someone,
if you want to think about the military industrial complex,
here's a guy who is part and parcel other military
industrial complex. Here's a guy who is acting as a
United States senator, almost acting as an arms dealer, and
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he wants regime change in Ukraine because he sees an
opportunity to help all of his fellow arms manufacturers. The
military industrial complex to make a boatload of money.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Joining me now, Senator John McCain, who I know as
senator you have just addressed the crowd of protesters there
yourself and and he have.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
What is it you are trying to do here?
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Hopefully what we're trying to do is bring about a
peaceful transition here that would stop the violence, would give
the Ukrainian people what they unfortunately have not with different
revolutions that have taken place.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
A real Now remember we the I can't remember this name,
Yakanovich is the one that there that there are some
protesters who don't like him, and so they've taken to
the streets. These not as off Nazi battalions have taken
to the streets fomenting public and probably with CIA covert operations,
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trying to foment a counter revolution, the maiden revolution to
get rid of a duly elected Democrat president. I don't
mean Democrats party, a duly elected, a democratically elected president of.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Ukraine, legitimate society. This is a grassroots.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Bull crap of its grassroots. It's not anymore grassroots because
you know here, Victoria Neulan. In a minute, I'm not
gonna play it's a five minute phone call. But you've
heard about the Victoria Neulan phone call in which she
and her operatives back at the CIA, CIA and the
State Department are talking about, well, we've got three or
four choices here of who we put in office, Which
one do you want? And Newlan says something to the effect, well,
(04:27):
I really like Yanks this one particular individual somebody else,
like you know, I got this person over here. They're
actually they're deciding in this country who they want to
place in power.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
In Ukraine, revolution here has been peaceful except for when
the government tried to crack down on them, and the
government hasn't done that since. But praising their ability and
their desire to demonstrate peacefully for change that I think
they deserve.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Let me ask you this about the US role. I
know that you have wanted the administration perhaps to consider
sanctions something to help boost the anti government protesters.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
The question to you is.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
While we're trying to work on so many things with
the Russians, for instance, with Iran and in Syria, is
this really a good time for the US to be
taking on Russia.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
So I don't think that we would be taking on
Russia and by the way. I am very pleased with
Secretary carry statement, our Deputy Secretary Victoria Newland, who was here. Look,
these people love the United States of America, they love freedom,
and I don't think you could view this as anything
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but our traditional support for people who want free in
democratic society. We're not talking about military action, we're not
talking aboutades. We are talking about the possibility of sanctions.
If they continue to brutally repress their people, that would
require some action on our part, just because that's what
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the United States of America is all about.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
So he expresses this satisfaction that Victoria Newlan achurs John
Kerry all right there, because they're orchestrating a coup. That's
exactly what they're doing. Lindsey Graham, Amy Klobacher, John McCain
twenty sixteen, after Russia finally says, you've pushed us and
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pushed us and pushed us. Now, I'm not saying that
justifies Listen closely. So in twenty fourteen, Barack Obama, Victoria Newland,
John Carry, all of these y'ahho's, John McCain, Lindsey Graham,
they all sit back. They know they've pushed Russia to
the limit. And so Russia takes crime because Russia wants
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it wants a warm water port. It's got a place
for operations for its black sea fleet, and they take Crimea.
And what did we do? Nothing? Now, I just Okay,
you've pushed for a revolution, you've pushed for the overthrow
of a democratically elected president. You got what you wanted there,
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and then Russia invades and takes Crimea and you do nothing.
So I'm led to think to the conclusion that either
you don't have the cajones to try to push them out,
because I thought you believed in democratic, democratically elected elections
that you wanted them to have freedom. And yet you
allowed Russia to come in and take Crimea and you
just sat on your hands and didn't do anything. See
(07:51):
how this begins to build up. Now go back to uh.
Now this is after Russia has taken Crimea. Lindsey Graham,
Amy Klobsher and John McCain twenty sixteen, openly collaborating with
the Asolph Battalion Nazis in Ukraine.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
Because if IF says that's for you, But chidam.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Your fight is our fight was.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
Twenty seventeen would be the year of offense, but that
he closes enough of them.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Hmmm, that seems kind of interesting. Twenty seventeen will be
our year of offense. We're gonna go on offence. We're
gonna We're gonna start pushing Lindsay Graham's act. Lindsey Graham
is advocating for war in twenty seventeen. M do you
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ever get the idea that maybe this country, or at
least the people that represent the deep state of this
country wanted Russia to invade.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
All of us will go back to Washington and we
will push the case against Russia. San enough of a
Russian aggression.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Now, I love that. Enough of a Russian aggression Now.
The word aggression is interesting because you can classify Russia's
taking of Crimea as aggression. But once it's done, I mean,
why was it done. It was done because of what
you could term American aggression vis are the NATO. Yeah,
(09:39):
let's just keep adding more countries. Let's just keep pushing it,
you know, inch by inch, country by country, mile by mile,
Let's just keep going closer and closer to Russia. Despite
the fact that Putin kept saying, don't expand NATO. That
was the agreement we had in the Budapest memorandum. You
wouldn't expand NATO, and yet you're doing it. And if
you understand anything about Ladimir Putin, you know he's a thug.
(10:03):
You know, you know he doesn't give a rats. That's
about his people. What he cares about is his legacy.
He cares about his expansionism. He cares about taking over
Eastern You're getting the old Soviet block back together again,
and you know that we knew that, and yet we
pushed him to the edge.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
It is time for them to pay a heavier price.
Kindom our fight is not with the Russian people, but
with Putin.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Lets pitch it in.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Our promise to you is to take your calls to Washington.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
That's vas.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
Tongue, informed the American people of your bravery, Manita.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
And make the case against Putin to the world.
Speaker 7 (10:57):
Percussion from the question that was silmil site.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I believe you will win.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I am convinced you will win, and you will do
everything we can to provide.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You with what you need to win.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
Yeah, but accordingly, sumuch to it. But it was that
you move on this amount.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I would also just kind of insert another kind of
a perspective on This is twenty sixteen. Again, this is
Lindsey Graham, Amy Klobisher and John McCain openly collaborating with
the AZOLVH Battalion Nazis in Ukraine. And what else is
going on at this time? Any anything in your head
going on? Oh yeah, you got Bearisma. You've got Joe Biden. Uh,
(11:45):
you've got Biden with Hope threatening to withhold a billion
dollars in loan guarantees unless you get rid of a
prosecutor that's looking into barisma. You got all that going
on at the same time. See, the stuff doesn't happen
in the fact, you and we.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Have succeeded not because of equipment, but because.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Of your courage.
Speaker 7 (12:06):
If speaking.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So, I thank you, And the world is watching.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
And the world is watching because we cannot allow Vladimir
Putin to succeed here, because if he succeeds here, he
will succeed in other countries.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
I see the state, if I see the same.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
State, because if he succeeds here, he will succeed in
other countries. So here we are with the argument that
if we allow think about the whole chicken and egg
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and think about Okay, so we orchestrate the for and foremost,
we violate the terms of the Budapest Memorandum, and we
expand NATO. Now, honestly, from a pure just NATO point
of view, you can have either a positive or a
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affirmative or a negative or an opposition idea or approach
toward the expansion of NATO. But we agreed that we wouldn't.
I actually think that agreement that we wouldn't was probably
a mistake, but we probably agreed to do that in
order to just at least get the agreement, knowing that
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full well that we would violate that agreement and we
would expand NATO. Now, I'm an individual who happened to
believe in the expansion in NATO, but I wouldn't have
lied about it at the time. I would have said yes.
In fact, I was one back much earlier than that,
trying to get Russia into NATO. Not because I support
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Vladimir Putin, but you know, keep your friends close and
your enemies closer. If Putin had any belief that he
might want to join the Western Alliance and actually start
aligning US economically, then there was a chance to do that,
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and NATO refused it, or certain memo cut nations did.
The Brits refused it, the French refused it, and I
don't I just don't remember about the Germans. So there's
Lindsay Graham and Amy Klobeesher and John McCain openingly collaborating
with the Asolph Nazi battalion at the time, and even
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before that. John McCain was in the square during the
Maiden Revolution filming the protest, standing alongside Jeffrey Piat the
US Ambassador Ukraine, Victoria Neuland standing behind him, and they're
all there in the square Kiev, all filming and watching
all of the riots taking place. Usaid was a fellow
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traveler with Newland and McCain during that. Uscid was funding
part of this. You cannot ignore what we were doing. Now,
let's fast forward because you get to a point and
we're going to start going back and forth here a
little bit. But now jump forward and listen to Vladimir Zelenski.
(15:34):
This is after he wins election and he knows that
war is coming.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
But American weapons money for these weapons.
Speaker 8 (15:45):
I had as a president, I had cargo jets, not
in Ukraine because of the war. We moved them very
quickly to Europe. We had cargo, We have good cargo fleet,
very good or because of Antonov.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
So I asked.
Speaker 9 (16:07):
American side to grant me the opportunity because our jets
are at another year airfield. And I asked America to
give me the opportunity to use our jets for transfer,
not to pay a lot to whom, to your companies,
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to American companies.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
No, I didn't get this opportunity.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
My jets stay put and the United States jets, cargo
jets move these weapons.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But everywhere you have to spend money.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
So we could get more weapons, but we have to
pay for this very expensive compleat My question.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Is this corruption or not? Or lobbyism?
Speaker 6 (17:03):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Give me a corruption on the part of the company
US companies, Yes, making such decisions.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
Yes, the lobbying for such decisions involved some companies that
make these decisions.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
But I can't be open about it. And oh pay,
I'd love to hear you and Dragon go at it
like Trump and Zelenski did.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Man, there'd be some good radio. My money. You'd be
on Dragon to win. Well, you'd lose because I'd finally,
just you know, I just I'd slip a crumbled cookie
out of my pocket and just hand it over. That's
shutting up, and I'd win the argument right there. True
(17:43):
be done. Now you're gonna hear from Jeffrey Sachs. Jeffrey
Sachs is an American political commentator. He is a uh,
he's an economist, he's a trade expert, he is he's
a liberal, he's a left winger. But I want you
(18:05):
to listen closely because he's brilliant in terms of succinctly
stating the history of how we are where we are.
Right now, he's talking to a forum about how do
we get to where we are?
Speaker 10 (18:24):
Or not the propaganda that's written about this, oh that
they failed and he was going to take over Ukraine.
The idea was to keep NATO. And what is NATO.
It's the United States off of Russia's border.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And this is a salient point that I think we
all understand. While it is indeed the North Atlantic Treaty Organization,
who's who is it? Really? It's US. It's the United
States of America because we apply, which is one of
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Trump's big bugaboos. We supply most of the arms, the money,
the funding, we maintain the basis in Europe, we do
all of that.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
So NATO is US.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And that's important to understand because if you're Vladimir Putin
and you look at NATO, you don't necessarily look at
Poland or Germany or France. You look at the fact
that it's the United States driving international policy.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Or no less.
Speaker 10 (19:28):
When the Soviet Union ended in nineteen ninety one and
an agreement was made that NATO will not move one
inch eastward. Now what happened after nineteen ninety one, The
United States decided there would be no end to eastward
enlargement of NATO, and the decision was taken formally in
nineteen ninety four when President Clinton signed off on NATO
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enlargement to the east, all the way to Ukraine and
into Georgia. So the NATO enlargement, as you know, started
in nineteen ninety nine with hungry polar than the Czech Republic,
and Russia was extremely unhappy about it. But these were
countries still far from the border. So the next round
of NATO enlargement came in two thousand and four with
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the three Baltic States, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia and Slovakia. At
this point, Russia was pretty damn upset, so, as everybody
recalls be in two thousand and seven, President Putin said
stop enough, and of course what that meant was in
two thousand and eight, the United States jammed down Europe's
throat enlargement of NATO to Ukraine and to Georgia.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
This is right up against Russia, and Russia.
Speaker 10 (20:37):
Protested because if Russia decided to have a military base
on the Rio Grande or the Canadian border, not only
would the United States freak out, we'd have war within
about ten minutes, and a month later war broke out.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Do you remember the war in Georgia? See nobody remembers that.
So we expand NATO to Georgia. We're trying to expand
it to NATO. Boy, get it done. We expanded to
Georgia and Russia says stop enough, or in the vernacular
of Joe Biden, don't we did? And war breaks up.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
So that gets Georgia destroyed.
Speaker 10 (21:15):
And starting in twenty ten, the US put in AEGIS
missile systems in Poland and then in Romania, and Russia
doesn't like that. In twenty ten, Victoryanikovich was elected on
the platform of neutrality.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh, now you understand why it was that Victoria Newland
and all the other players, McCain, Graham, everybody wanted to
overthrow him because he wanted to be the Switzerland, if
you will, of Eastern Europe. We just want to be neutral.
We don't want NATO expansion here. We would like some
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you know, economic help from you know, the United States,
but that's pretty much it. But we don't want you know,
missiles or anything else, because we saw what happened in Georgia.
So we just want to be neutral.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
Russia had no territorial interests or designs in Ukraine at all.
What Russia was negotiating was a twenty five five year
lease for Sevastopol naval base.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Now where is that naval base Crimea? Russia was negotiating
a twenty five year lease to have that base in Crimea.
We wouldn't have any of.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Them, that's it.
Speaker 10 (22:30):
Not for Crimea, not for the Donbos.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Nothing.
Speaker 10 (22:34):
In twenty fourteen, the US worked actively to overthrow Yanikovic.
Everybody knows the phone call by my Columbia University colleague,
Victoria Newland and the US Ambassador Peter Piat listen to it.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's fascinating. I don't think we should go into the government.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think we've got to do.
Speaker 10 (22:53):
Something to make you don't get better evidence. Then came
Mince and especially Mince too. It's said there should be
autonomy for the Russian speaking regions in the east of Ukraine.
It was supported unanimously by the UN Security Council. The
United States and Ukraine decided it was not.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
To be enforced.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
There were many thousands of deaths in the shelling by
Ukraine in the Donbas and one of the issues on
the table is let.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Me back this up just a bit, because what' you understand?
This is now Ukraine bombing the Dombas region, which is ethnically,
culturally everything that you get the language or Russian, and
now the Ukraine because we've now organized a coup and
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now we have let loose, and now the Ukrainians are
bombing their own territory. See how this is beginning to unfold.
This is this is much more complex, which is why
Trump understands that he can't take sides. It's not because
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he's a Trump, he's a Putin puppet, but because if
he's going to get Russia and Ukraine, or Russia, Ukraine
and NATO to the bargaining table for some sort of peace.
Then he has to remain neutral. He has to be
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as I said on the weekend program, he has to
be the mediator. So he's not going to take sides.
He's going to try to cut some sort of deal
with Zelenski on these rare earth minerals just so we
got some economic tie. And at the same time time,
(25:00):
once he can get that done, he can go to
Putin and say, look, we've got this arrangement with Ukraine
because we need these minerals, and can we just continue
to have our talks to see if Russia is even
interested in negotiating, because we don't know that Russia is Russia.
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Putin has already outlined four or five non starter items
that we've got to get beyond to get him to
the table.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
This is all the truth.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
That doesn't make Trump a Putin puppet. That makes Trump
a mediator. He's trying to mediate this. He's trying to
negotiate between two warring factions that are both absolutely at loggerheads.
But you can't understand that they're at loggerheads without understanding
how we got here. That's why the point he makes
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here is so important.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
And especially Vince too.
Speaker 10 (25:59):
It said there should the autonomy for the Russian speaking
regions in the east of Ukraine, that's the Dombas. It
was supported unanimously by the UN Security Council the United.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
It was supported unanimously by the UN Security Council for
the neutrality for the Dombas.
Speaker 10 (26:19):
Region Russian speaking regions in the East of Ukraine. It
was supported unanimously by the UN Security Council the United States,
and Ukraine decided it was not to be enforced. There
were many thousands of deaths in the shelling by Ukraine
in the Donbas and one of the issues on the
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table in December twenty twenty one January twenty twenty two
was does the United States claim the right to put
missile systems in Ukraine? And Blincoln told lavrev in January
twenty twenty two, the United States reserves the right to
put missile systems wherever it wants.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So the war started.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
What was Putin's intention in the war, It was to
force Zelenski to negotiate neutrality, and that happened.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
To negotiate neutrality, he wanted to force Zelenski to negotiate neutrality.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
Happened within seven days of the start of the invasion.
Ukraine walked away nilatterly from a near agreement. Why because
the United States told them to The idea was that
there would be Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
By the way, who was the quote United States that
told him to walk away, Joe Biden. Joe Biden and
the Obama people working for Biden at the time, including
Anthony Lincoln. Hmmm, because there's a conflict of interest, because
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you're trying to preserve all of the corruption that you've
been engaged in in Ukraine.
Speaker 10 (28:03):
I personally think so in Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, and Georgia
that would deprive Russia of any international status by blocking
the Black Sea. And the American senators, who are as
nasty and cynical and corrupt as imaginable, say, this is
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wonderful expenditure of our money because no Americans are dying.
It's the pure proxy war. And since the US talked
the negotiators away from the table, about a million Ukrainians
have died or been severely wounded.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Boom, and that's where we are today. Now, considering where
we are today, go back to Friday, and when you
think about Friday, what really occurred there.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
The deep state and that includes can never let Trump
have a win on this. This was sabotage. He campaigned
to get this or ended. Can if they let him,
he's a hero. They can't let that happen, and they.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Won't, which is why you cannot buy into the cabal's
theory proposition, their incessant haranguing Trump as being a putin puppet.
And it's easy for people who have a dislike of
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Trump to latch onto that because that's the easy way
to jump. It's intellectually vapid, but intellectually that's what they're
doing there. Oh well, he's just a putt and pupet,
just trying to cave in to the US without understanding
any of this history of how we got here, none
of it whatsoever. It's the equivalents. It's sort of the equivalent.
(30:06):
I can't say it's exactly analogous, but sure of the
equivalent of looking at the fact that we're now what
six weeks or something into the administration, and he has
not stopped inflation. The price of eggs is still too high,
the price of beef is still too high without understanding.
It took us, you know, COVID and four years of outrage,
(30:29):
of of obscene spending to get us here, and those
prices have now stabilized, and now to bring those prices
down is going to take time. But oh, but let's
blame Trump. So the mask has slipped, and that shouting
match that occurred on Friday, if you go back, you know, first,
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I don't know why that they didn't do the signing
first and then have the press conference, except I wonder,
I have no evidence of this whatsoever, But I've got
anecdotal evidence that they knew Zelenski wasn't going to sign
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the mineral deal. So rather than face the embarrassment of
sitting down at a table and Zelensky then saying I'm
not going to sign it, they, which we say, had
everything set up to do. They had a lunch spread,
they had the table, they had the documents all laid out.
Secretary Descent was there, the Treasury Secretary Marco Rubio was there.
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They were all there ready for the signing. But they
didn't walk into that room first. They instead and walked
into the Oval office. Now that may have just been protocol.
Let's go to the Oval Office. Let's have our press conference.
We'll go to the signing, and then we'll have another
press conference post execution of the agreement. So, for whatever reason,
they walked into the Oval Office and everyone takes their position.
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They bring the press in and it's it's going okay.
The guy, there's a guy an influence. I don't think
he as a member of the cabal. Asks Zelensky about
his suit, like, why don't you show respect? Now? The
reason I don't think this was a setup is because
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Trump laughs about it. He doesn't pick on himy oh,
I think he looks great, you know Trump, so that
he's trying. Trump is trying to keep everything a little
light hearted. In fact, when if you listen to if
you watch the video of when Zelensky pulls up in
his suv, Trump jokes about, well, I see you got
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dressed up for the meeting. Great, kind of laughs about it,
puts his arm around and takes him into the White House. So,
at least superficially, everything seems to be even if they
knew that he wasn't gonna say, they were trying to
keep it somewhat light, trying to figure out how we're
going to deal with this. But I think Zolenski's been
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exposed for what he really is. Go back to that
SoundBite about the corruption. He was basically saying, Hey, we
were bribing American companies to haul stuff in. Now if
we were, if we're paying for everything, where is he
getting the money to bribe companies to bring weapons in
on their own planes versus what we're bringing because we
can't we can't fly them in, we can't be seen. Well,
(33:34):
we can't have you know, C one thirty five or
C five a's, you know, with American flags on them,
the American tail numbers flying and landing in Kiev somewhere.
We can't have that because that makes us a direct participant.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
In the war.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
So we're trying to keep hands off. So Zelenski's obviously
playing corruption and bribing other companies or maybe other countries. England,
I'm looking at you, France, I'm looking at you to
bring your plane in to bring this equipment in. So
let me get back.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
JD.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Vans, the Vice President, asked why Ukraine wasn't thanking the
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