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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My guess is they'll never let President Trump fly in
the new Air Force one. It'll be delay after delay
after delay, and oops, his term will have run out.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Probably true.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Somebody asked on the text line if I could give
an example of a quid pro quote.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And this is an example of a quid pro quote.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
It's a slightly different kind because it's not a private
individual asking a government official to do something in exchange
for you know, money, but it is nonetheless an example
of an exchange and or withholding of money until you
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do something and then you get the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Money, so it is in essence a quid pro quo.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm desperately concerned about the backsliding on the part of
Key in terms of corruption they made. I mean, I'll
give you one concrete example. I was not II, but
it just happened to be. That was the assignment I got.
I got all the good ones, and so I got Ukraine.
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And I remember going over to.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Do you ever wonder why he got Ukraine? Can't you
see him walking into the Oval office and saying, mister
President to Barack Obama. You know, I'm thinking about what
I could do my portfolio. I'd like to take Ukraine
knowing full well that his sent hunters on the board
of directors of Barisma, and he might be able to,
you know, influence a few things. Yeah, one about that
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just food for.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Thought, convincing our team or others too, convincing that we
should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over,
I guess the twelve thirteenth time to Kiev, and I
was supposed to announce that there was another billion dollar
loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Porshenko
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and from Yachts and York they would take action against
the state prosecutor. And they didn't. So they said they
had They were walking out to Prescott. I said no,
I said, I'm not going to go or we're not
going to give you the billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
They said, you have.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
No authority, you're not the president. The president said, I said,
call him. I said, I'm telling you're not getting a
billion dollars. I said, you're not getting a billion. I'm
going to be leaving here. And I think it was
what six hours. I look, I said, leave it in
six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired and you're not
getting the money. Oh, son of a bitch got fired,
and they put in place someone who was solid at.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The time, who was solid, They put in someone solid.
Let me interpret that for you, because I know you
don't speak DC gobbledegoog. So they put someone in that
hundred and I wanted, yeah, just in case you were,
you know, looking for an example of a quid pro quote.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
UH.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Some people on the text line reminded me of that one.
So let's talk about the uh.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And again, I I want to swerve for a moment from.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
The optics, the ethics, the legality, the politics, whatever it
is about accepting about the United States government accepting this
plane from Cutter or not, I don't care about that
right now, because No, here's what drives me just effing
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nuts about the media. Why is there no questioning, Why
is there no analysis? Why is nobody asking themselves? Wait
a minute. You entered into a contract in twenty eighteen
for the delivery of these two Boeing seven forty seven
eight eye aircrafts. Yeah, checks calendar, guests, it's twenty twenty
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five and we still don't have it. And we don't
even have a definitive deadline or timeline for receiving these
to can somebody ask bullying, what's going on? So I,
in anticipation, actually anticipation of talking about this on the weekend,
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I started digging around trying to figure out what I
could find out about the planes. The original contract was
awarded in twenty eighteen for a fixed price three point
nine billion dollars three sorry, you'll understand why I'm laughing
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in just a minute, three point nine billion dollars to
modify two seven forty seven eight I aircraft into presidential transports.
The fixed price contract was negotiated during the Trump administration.
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It meant that the new contract the existing contract. That
meant that Boeing was responsible for any cost overruns. So
unlike what's the typical cost plus contract where the government
and contracting firms love this. Procurement officers in the government
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and some of them don't like it. Some of them
just don't care. But for example, my procurement officer, my
contract officers hated these cost plus contracts because one, it's
additional work for them. The company that signs the cost
plus contract loves it because they know that the government
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is always going to start adding on change orders, change
order for this, change order for that, and oftentimes it's
a two way street.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
It sounds like it sounds like a perfect deal that
Trump would put out and be like, hey, you're going
to do this for X billion dollars and you're not
going to give it any We're not going to give
you a penny more because that's what you said you
were going to do. So that sounds just something like
he would he would do. He's trying to save us,
the American people, money from spending bingos and billions of
more on these bingo.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And Boeing wanting to be not wanting us to go
to say air Bus and say, hey, we're gonna have
to get our I'm gonna call them presidential transports because
I don't want to hear from you Goober's bitching about
they're not air Force one unless the presidents on it.
I'll call them presidential transports. Boeing said, okay, we'll do that,
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because they wanted the Boeing on that plane as it
flew around as air Force one, so of course they
did it. So what what what do we get for
three point nine billion dollars engineering, manufacturing, and development with
the total program costs that would also include additional things
like testing, equipment and infrastructure like new hangars, initially estimated
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at around five point three billion dollars by the Pentagon
in twenty nineteen. So why why this has been delayed?
It's called the VC twenty five B program. The original
target twenty twenty two. So here's what I can find
out about the reasons for the delays so far. The first,
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we're talking about presidential transport, and I know all of
you pilots and if an if you're an engineer and
a pilot, then you're doubly bad. Are going to say,
we's no big deal. I know, but it just sounds funny.
They decided to use second hand airframes. Yes, so to
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reduce their costs, Boeing decided to use two seven forty
seven eight I aircraft that were originally.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Built for zero Well, whoa what what the he'll tran zero?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Well, that's a Russian airline that went bankrupt in twenty fifteen.
They're called white tail aircraft. I mean they were never
delivered to a commercial operator. But retro fitting those two
particular seven forty sevens turned out to be a little
more complex and time consuming then building the new aircraft
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from scratch.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Now I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I couldn't find out the reasons for it, But apparently
using taking taking two already constructed turned out to be
more costly and time consuming than just starting from scratch
and building two entirely new airframes.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I think none of a lot of us have watched
those HGTV shows where you know, when you build a
house from scratch, you've got the bones of the walls
and everything, and you can put the electrical and you
can put the ethernet and you can put everything behind that.
Whereas if you're, you know, doing a rema, you've got
to tear everything down first, which takes time. Then you've
got to inspect everything, rip all that stuff out, put
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in the new stuff that you want. So yeah, it's
gonna take a whole lot longer to retrofit versus brand new.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, I would think it would take longer, but I
wouldn't think it would take that much longer, true, because
it hasn't been delivered.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yet, right, it's all right, So.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I would think that other than maybe just taking out
some of the interior stuff like the interior lining or
walls or whatever you might call it, the other the
excess seats, well, I didn't even whether it had seats
in it.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I don't even whether they had seats in it
again or not.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So anyway, So that was the first reason using second
second hand airframes. I just like to call them the
second hand because they truly are second hand airframes. They've
been built for another company or Russian company. Don't you
find that offensive? Why he's gonna be flying on planes
that were built for the Russians?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Russia Russia?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Right Rusher Russia, Russia. See he and putting got a
deal going on here, and then the pandemic hit hit
because the work actually didn't begin until February of twenty twenty,
just before the pandemic hit, And of course you had
all the supply chain interruptions, labor shortages, engineering inefficiencies, and
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so that's the beginning of the cost overruns right there.
Then the third reason that I found were supplier issues.
The initial interior supplier a company called GDC Techniques. That
company went bankrupt in twenty twenty one. Now stop and
think about this. So you're using airframes from a bankrupt carrier,
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a Russian carrier that goes bankrupt. Then when it comes
to some of the interior suppliers. That's a company that
also goes bankrupt. So that ended up putting Boeing in
a bunch of legal disputes, required Boeing to onboard a
new supplier, a new company called green Point Technologies, and
so all of that transition delayed the program by some
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reports to three years. All Right, so you've got used airframes,
you got the COVID pandemic, uh, and then you've got
supplier issues. But then you got fourth And here's the
one that I I understand it. I can intellectually comprehend it,
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but I don't get that Boeing didn't comprehend this. And
the fourth category for the delay, I would just call
complex modifications, because when you're converting a commercial seven forty
seven into a presidential aircraft, well obviously those kinds of
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modifications are going to be expensive. You have secure communications,
you don't have commercial grade avionics, you're going to have
military grade avionics. Air Force one has self defense systems,
it even has the ability to create an electro magnetic
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shield to survive things like nuclear blasts. That's obviously highly specialized,
very challenging, and some stories INBC News had a story
that said that is going to take an extra billion
dollars and it's going to take extra time.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
All right, Well, but.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
When you sit down to negotiate for two presidential transports,
if you're on the Boeing side of the negotiation table,
don't you go to the other side of the table
and say, we know these are eventually going to be
used for presidential aircraft. And by the way, just so
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we're clear, Boeing would be the one making these modifications.
Now I'm sure that there's some because Boeing's obviously a
military contractor. Boeing does make things other than just seven
thirty sevens, So they're.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The ones that are going to be doing this.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Wouldn't they go to that division, or wouldn't they go
to their contacts in the Pentagon and say, tell us
precisely everything that you want or that you're going to
upgrade or that you want us to upgrade. Wouldn't you
do that in the negotiations? But nonetheless, that apparently turned
out to be a glitch, if you will, in the
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delivery these two planes. And then Boeing itself had problems.
That would be the fifth thing I'd point out Bueing
itself because some of their manufacturer, some of their subcontractors
they went out of business, they went bankrupt. They had
a hard time getting workers with the security clearances that
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are needed. It's called a Yankee White security clearance for
this particular construction project. They had a hard time all
of that. So, you know, I can't blame Boweing for
that because that's something specific. But nonetheless, they knew at
some point they would need those workers with those clearances,
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and they should have been talking to some In other words,
the contract negotiations seem to have been a kind of
a lamb bam thanking man thing. Like you know, I'm
sure Trump was driving hard on it, but Boeing's not like,
you know, I don't want to pick on Sessma, but
Boweing's not like Sessma. It's like, you know, you you
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kind of built these planes before you got some track
record here. But then we get to the the last
two reasons for the delays that, uh, I can't really
blame Boeing for this change orders. Now I do I
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do blame Boeing in this regard. Boeing should have known.
I mean, for Pete's they're already defense contractors. They know
that the government always has change orders. Hill's bells. If
you're if you work for a civil engineering firm and
you contract with the State of Colorado to build an
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interstate highway or to do the t REX project or
do the the Gap project down south of the Castle Rocks,
you know that the State of Colorado is going to
have change orders. You know they're gonna start changing things.
You know that you're gonna have you know, additional costs,
wish and why you would never enter into a fixed base,
a fixed cost contract with State of Colorado because you
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know they're gonna have all these changes. Well, apparently claiming
evolving security threats. Design changes such as debates over the
aircraft's livery added complexity, added delays. Trump wanted a darker
paint scheme. Well, just changing the paint scheme required additional testing.
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Now I don't understand why. Maybe somebody has more information
than I do can explain why changing the paint scheme,
I mean, does does the color of the paint change
the weight.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Of the paint.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
The jets are painted all the time, so I don't
quite underste So.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I don't understand, like this is a darker blue heavier
than a light blue. Does it add more weight. Does
it change the avionics some way? Does it change the
you know, the the electromagnetic field. Does it change that?
I mean, I don't know, but anyway, that's that's one
of the changes that apparently caused problems, and that change
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was then reversed by Biden. Biden didn't like the new
color scheme.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
It's like, we need well, if I recall her, Trump
wanted to do something similar to what his personal jet was,
with more of a darker black, super super dark blue.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It was super dark blue.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Idiot changed the whole There wasn't uproar.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
People didn't particularly care for that because we liked the
way the traditional Air Force one looks right now. So
I can totally see Biden going, nah, we'll stick with
what we got.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I can't do It's classic.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Even though Biden changed or reversed the color scheme, just
putting a new color scheme in by Trump caused the
delay because they had to. It was a change order
that had a cascading effect. I just don't understand what
the cascading.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Effects were the same. Yeah, I don't get that.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And then you had engineering delays, you had test delays,
ground based subsisting testing powering on the aircraft that was
all delayed.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
It's not Cutter, it's Qatar. I have been there. It
is guitar.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
The Katarians or the people from Qatar pronounce it Qatar.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
So check it out. It's for real. Think it's a guitar.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I'll take you, take your word for it.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
What's the name of that burger place?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
You like?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Take the dogs? So every every weekend? Oh the McDonald McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I've been to McDonald's and that's how I pronounced it, right,
Uh I. If you've been there, and that's what the
Katarians say that, I'll the Qatar. You say that, I'll
take your word for it. I would like to know
definitively if it is Cutter or Qatar. Should we trust
a goober? That seems like that's like a dangerous path.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
To go down.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
It's just either potato or tomato.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't I telling you.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
They're listening to us and they want us to trust them,
and they're listening to us.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Wow, is it jilipino or jalapeno.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I've never heard alipino, klipino, kalipo.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
You know what we're talking about? When we say it.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
So think about where Boeing is on this. And this
is probably not a fair statement to make, but I
think this whole debacle over the presidential transport planes is
an indication of a much larger problem in this society.
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It's way too much government, having too much involvement in
too many things. It is us spending way too much
money on the wrong things. Because at the same time,
I don't know if it's happening exactly right now or not,
but some time today the Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy
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is going before some I think a House committee, I'm
not sure which. I assume the House Transportation Committee, but
I don't know, to talk about the problems with the
FAA and in specifically the ATC, the air traffic control system. Well,
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and he's going to blame I assume he will blame
all previous presidential administrations. Well, if he is, he should
also at the same time blame the Trump one point, oh,
because these problems have existed for decades, decades plural, And
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he should point his little scragly finger, if he's got
a straggly finger, he should point his middle finger to
Congress and blame them too, because They've had plenty of
opportunities to fix it. And I'd bet you a dollar
to a donut today that you're going to hear democrats
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bet and moan about what well you brought Elon musk
In and those fired all these employees. Now, they didn't
fire any air traffic controllers. They fired people who had
nothing to do with air traffic control. I heard that
Newark had problems again yesterday. The airlines have now asked
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for a meeting with Duffy and the FAA because they
had I forget how many cancelations. I think it was
close to one hundred. They had several hundred delays. They
had some more outages. It's like a third world country.
And it's because and look, I know Duffy will go
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before Congress today and he's going to ask for billions
of dollars to upgrade a system that relies on, at
least in part on floppy disks, original size floppy discs.
I mean, that's how bad it is. And Congress may
or may not. I mean, there'll be a bunch of
great and standing, but they may or may not authorize
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the spending to upgrade the system. Now, let me ask
you a question, and let me make it a start question.
What do you think is more important as an American
citizen an air traffic control system that works? Because this
economy is pretty damn dependent upon a functioning air traffic
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control system. You may not fly, but some of the
stuff you order flies. You may not fly, but maybe
grandma does. You may not fly, but the CEO of
a company that you buy products from has to fly
around stores to make sure that the stores are managed properly,
and probably flies commercial.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He doesn't fly private like Bernie and AOC.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
So would you rather have the money spent on a functioning,
first class modern air traffic control system or would you
rather have a Medicaid system that provides free healthcare to
illegal aliens who shouldn't be here in the first place.
We see, our priorities are all left up and for
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someone to point that out, Oh, I can't believe Michael
Brown said that today. Well it's the truth. It's the truth,
whether you want to admit it or not. We have
our priorities completely screwed up. And for all of you
who take Social Security and are worried about the viability
of Social Security, well then you ought to ask your
congressman Republican or Democrat. How much money did you take
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out of that Remember that box that Al Gore always
used to talk about, Well, how much money did you
take out of the Social Security Trust Fund? Transferred to
the general Fund and then put an iou back into
the Social Security Trust Fund? Yeah, your member of Congress
did that. We just.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
We're an income poops. Back to Boying.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I really do to finish this thing about bullying, because
it does show you that all of this kerfuffle over
the airplane from Qatar, cutter from Qatar is really just
meant to what attack Trump further divide the country. And
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I agree, Dragon, and I think probably have a difference
of opinion about whether you should do it or not.
I told you what I would say. My attitude is,
I really don't care. My attitude is I think the
two existing planes are fine. I know Trump likes new
things and he wants to know. He wants it because
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he's president right now. He wants this plane. Although the
new plane may take a year or more to retrofit itself,
so he may never even actually fly on these planes.
So I just really don't give a rat's ask whether
we do it or not. Some people, on the other hand,
find it very I won't speak for you.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
How do you find it dragon distasteful?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Yeah, I don't really particularly care for the leader of
the free world, our nation here, the United States, to
ride on a second hand plane. It may be the
nicest plane in the freaking world, but let's let's let's
have him, you know, be the first owner.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Can I start an argument. Sure, he's flying on a
second hand plane right.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Now, but the world leader, the United States leader, the
president of the United has been that's that's the only
person that's been riding on these jets.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
So you're you're.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Problem's not that it's a second hand plane, it's that
the Katari people, the Katari Warrior family, owned it and
flew on it. Yes, okay, because he's currently flying on
is like pointed out second hand airframes that originally belonged
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to a Russian company.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
What do you say about that that were never flown
by them? They were just the shells.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
No, they were completed, they were they just were never
delivered because it went bankrupt. Oh, they they tested, they flew,
they were fully operational and belonged to the company, the
Russian company.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
But the only.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Passengers, so to speak, would be the president.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Okay, I'm not laughing at you. I'm only laughing because
it's such a such a fine distinction.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
It's like buying.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Oh but I'm buying a house that is a fairly
new house. But it originally.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Jared Poulus lift hate this pair of used underwear. It
might be the nicest pair of used underwear in the world.
It's got gold woven into it. But if somebody else
has worn it, I don't want to wear it.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
There you have it, air Force one used underwear. There's
the correlation.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Okay, swimsuit, I'm not wearing somebody else's swimsuit. How about that.
That's a little better than underwear. All right, don't get
don't get me delayed from my talking about the delays.
Let's see Boeing's reported losses totaling two point five billion,
with additional losses of seven hundred and sixty six million
announced in twenty twenty two, and then four hundred and
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eighty two million announced in a later quarterly report.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
So add that up.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
What is the the total program cost including Boeing's losses,
is now estimated at around four point seven billion. A
loan seven point four point seven billion for the aircraft alone.
Additional expenses like the new hangar at Andrew's two hundred
and fifty million flight manuals eighty four million. The over
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run stem from all the other stuff. But now let's
get to the delays. The expected delivery date um it
was pushed to from December twenty twenty four, pushed to
twenty twenty six. Fox Business reports that now is delayed
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until at least twenty twenty nine or later. That's the last.
Recent negotiations between Boeing and the Air Force, including a
potential relaxation of some requirements, have led to a more
optimistic estimate of twenty twenty seven for at least one
of them, as stated by Darlene Costello, the Air Force's
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acting acquisitions chief, which she said this month. I think
I've got a problem with that. I don't want a
new one and an old one as the backup. I now,
the pilots are the cream of the crop. But you
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go from the new configured one to the old configured
one and back and forth. I just to me, that's
taking an unnecessary risk.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Michael and Dragon, I tell you guys are more gringo
than I am, and I'm curious, darned gringo if you
don't know how a native Spanish speaker says those little
spicy green peppers that they use all over the place.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And you know Mexican restaurants, et cetera. Go to a
food truck run by Mexican folks and ask them what
kind of peppers they use, and I guarantee you they'll
probably say it in a way that will be new
to you.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Well, tell us what the other is, right, good grief, Filipino.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You get a demerit for that.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Je.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You go through all.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Of that, and then you don't tell us the correct
for the correct non Gringo pronunciation. We're just a couple
of dune white guys. We're a good grief. You got
to help us out here, buddy.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Sometimes these goobers just absolutely infuriate me. You ask them
to do one simple thing, you criticize, but you don't
tell us how.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
To act you. Back it up, Back it up.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Somebody asked who built the original air Force ones Presidential
Transports Douglas Aircraft Corporation nineteen.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And he was FDR. I forget what year it was.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
McDonald's at Douglas, then McDonald Douglas, and then Boeing. So
so we're back if you're asking who built the original ones.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That are being used right now Boeing, Which is.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
The whole point about I don't understand why nobody is
asking or report because, well I know why, because it's
all about Trump. It's Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, and Trump's.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Wrong wrong, wrong, wrong wrong.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Now, look, there's a lot of things Trump's done so
far in this term that I don't like, and I
you know, it is what it is now. I do
like to change. I like the chaos, even though I
don't like some of the things that are actually happening.
And it just drives me crazy. Just all started with
the stupid ABC News talking about you know, Trump hopes
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to get this plane. Well, I'm sure he does hope
to get the plane, but I think that even if
he accepts this plane, let me rephrase that, let me
be precise, Even if the United States government accepts this plane,
which it has the authority to do, there's I would say,
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maybe a fifty to fifty chance it will be retrofitted
and ready for him to fly before he leaves office.
Maybe a fifty to fifty chance because we can't do anything.
We can't do anything eighty one seventy nine writes for example, Michael,
I understand the ATC system is antiquated, but why did
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this start having problems after Trump took office? No, what
what you really mean to ask is, but why did
the reporting about the problems start after Trump took office?
That's why we hear about it. You know, Pearls before Swine.
I think it's one of the greatest comic strips ever
devised because it's as you've, aggressive, sarcastic, and satirical, which
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pretty much sums up my personality, and dragons do for
that matter. Yesterday it was they talked about I forget
Rat and Pig. We're talking about how there was a
near miss and Rat was like, you mean they almost
hit each other? No, they so it wasn't a near miss.
(32:58):
They missed each other. Well, so did they hit each other?
It was a it was a near hit, not a
near miss. Potato p Thodo, Calapinia, Haltenia
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Penia Boulevard, Poenia Boulevard,
My guess is they'll never let President Trump fly in
the new Air Force one. It'll be delay after delay
after delay, and oops, his term will have run out.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Probably true.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Somebody asked on the text line if I could give
an example of a quid pro quote.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And this is an example of a quid pro quote.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
It's a slightly different kind because it's not a private
individual asking a government official to do something in exchange
for you know, money, but it is nonetheless an example
of an exchange and or withholding of money until you
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do something and then you get the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Money, so it is in essence a quid pro quo.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm desperately concerned about the backsliding on the part of
Key in terms of corruption they made. I mean, I'll
give you one concrete example. I was not II, but
it just happened to be. That was the assignment I got.
I got all the good ones, and so I got Ukraine.
(01:08):
And I remember going over to.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Do you ever wonder why he got Ukraine? Can't you
see him walking into the Oval office and saying, mister
President to Barack Obama. You know, I'm thinking about what
I could do my portfolio. I'd like to take Ukraine
knowing full well that his sent hunters on the board
of directors of Barisma, and he might be able to,
you know, influence a few things. Yeah, one about that
(01:35):
just food for.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Thought, convincing our team or others too, convincing that we
should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over,
I guess the twelve thirteenth time to Kiev, and I
was supposed to announce that there was another billion dollar
loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Porshenko
(01:57):
and from Yachts and York they would take action against
the state prosecutor. And they didn't. So they said they
had They were walking out to Prescott. I said no,
I said, I'm not going to go or we're not
going to give you the billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
They said, you have.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
No authority, you're not the president. The president said, I said,
call him. I said, I'm telling you're not getting a
billion dollars. I said, you're not getting a billion. I'm
going to be leaving here. And I think it was
what six hours. I look, I said, leave it in
six hours. If the prosecutor's not fired and you're not
getting the money. Oh, son of a bitch got fired,
and they put in place someone who was solid at.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The time, who was solid, They put in someone solid.
Let me interpret that for you, because I know you
don't speak DC gobbledegoog. So they put someone in that
hundred and I wanted, yeah, just in case you were,
you know, looking for an example of a quid pro quote.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
UH.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Some people on the text line reminded me of that one.
So let's talk about the uh.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And again, I I want to swerve for a moment from.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
The optics, the ethics, the legality, the politics, whatever it
is about accepting about the United States government accepting this
plane from Cutter or not, I don't care about that
right now, because No, here's what drives me just effing
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nuts about the media. Why is there no questioning, Why
is there no analysis? Why is nobody asking themselves? Wait
a minute. You entered into a contract in twenty eighteen
for the delivery of these two Boeing seven forty seven
eight eye aircrafts. Yeah, checks calendar, guests, it's twenty twenty
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five and we still don't have it. And we don't
even have a definitive deadline or timeline for receiving these
to can somebody ask bullying, what's going on? So I,
in anticipation, actually anticipation of talking about this on the weekend,
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I started digging around trying to figure out what I
could find out about the planes. The original contract was
awarded in twenty eighteen for a fixed price three point
nine billion dollars three sorry, you'll understand why I'm laughing
(04:35):
in just a minute, three point nine billion dollars to
modify two seven forty seven eight I aircraft into presidential transports.
The fixed price contract was negotiated during the Trump administration.
(04:56):
It meant that the new contract the existing contract. That
meant that Boeing was responsible for any cost overruns. So
unlike what's the typical cost plus contract where the government
and contracting firms love this. Procurement officers in the government
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and some of them don't like it. Some of them
just don't care. But for example, my procurement officer, my
contract officers hated these cost plus contracts because one, it's
additional work for them. The company that signs the cost
plus contract loves it because they know that the government
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is always going to start adding on change orders, change
order for this, change order for that, and oftentimes it's
a two way street.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
It sounds like it sounds like a perfect deal that
Trump would put out and be like, hey, you're going
to do this for X billion dollars and you're not
going to give it any We're not going to give
you a penny more because that's what you said you
were going to do. So that sounds just something like
he would he would do. He's trying to save us,
the American people, money from spending bingos and billions of
more on these bingo.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And Boeing wanting to be not wanting us to go
to say air Bus and say, hey, we're gonna have
to get our I'm gonna call them presidential transports because
I don't want to hear from you Goober's bitching about
they're not air Force one unless the presidents on it.
I'll call them presidential transports. Boeing said, okay, we'll do that,
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because they wanted the Boeing on that plane as it
flew around as air Force one, so of course they
did it. So what what what do we get for
three point nine billion dollars engineering, manufacturing, and development with
the total program costs that would also include additional things
like testing, equipment and infrastructure like new hangars, initially estimated
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at around five point three billion dollars by the Pentagon
in twenty nineteen. So why why this has been delayed?
It's called the VC twenty five B program. The original
target twenty twenty two. So here's what I can find
out about the reasons for the delays so far. The first,
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we're talking about presidential transport, and I know all of
you pilots and if an if you're an engineer and
a pilot, then you're doubly bad. Are going to say,
we's no big deal. I know, but it just sounds funny.
They decided to use second hand airframes. Yes, so to
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reduce their costs, Boeing decided to use two seven forty
seven eight I aircraft that were originally.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Built for zero Well, whoa what what the he'll tran zero?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Well, that's a Russian airline that went bankrupt in twenty fifteen.
They're called white tail aircraft. I mean they were never
delivered to a commercial operator. But retro fitting those two
particular seven forty sevens turned out to be a little
more complex and time consuming then building the new aircraft
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from scratch.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Now I don't understand that.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I couldn't find out the reasons for it, But apparently
using taking taking two already constructed turned out to be
more costly and time consuming than just starting from scratch
and building two entirely new airframes.
Speaker 6 (08:45):
I think none of a lot of us have watched
those HGTV shows where you know, when you build a
house from scratch, you've got the bones of the walls
and everything, and you can put the electrical and you
can put the ethernet and you can put everything behind that.
Whereas if you're, you know, doing a rema, you've got
to tear everything down first, which takes time. Then you've
got to inspect everything, rip all that stuff out, put
(09:06):
in the new stuff that you want. So yeah, it's
gonna take a whole lot longer to retrofit versus brand new.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Well, I would think it would take longer, but I
wouldn't think it would take that much longer, true, because
it hasn't been delivered.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Yet, right, it's all right, So.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I would think that other than maybe just taking out
some of the interior stuff like the interior lining or
walls or whatever you might call it, the other the
excess seats, well, I didn't even whether it had seats
in it.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, I don't even whether they had seats in it
again or not.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
So anyway, So that was the first reason using second
second hand airframes. I just like to call them the
second hand because they truly are second hand airframes. They've
been built for another company or Russian company. Don't you
find that offensive? Why he's gonna be flying on planes
that were built for the Russians?
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Russia Russia?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Right Rusher Russia, Russia. See he and putting got a
deal going on here, and then the pandemic hit hit
because the work actually didn't begin until February of twenty twenty,
just before the pandemic hit, And of course you had
all the supply chain interruptions, labor shortages, engineering inefficiencies, and
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so that's the beginning of the cost overruns right there.
Then the third reason that I found were supplier issues.
The initial interior supplier a company called GDC Techniques. That
company went bankrupt in twenty twenty one. Now stop and
think about this. So you're using airframes from a bankrupt carrier,
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a Russian carrier that goes bankrupt. Then when it comes
to some of the interior suppliers. That's a company that
also goes bankrupt. So that ended up putting Boeing in
a bunch of legal disputes, required Boeing to onboard a
new supplier, a new company called green Point Technologies, and
so all of that transition delayed the program by some
(10:58):
reports to three years. All Right, so you've got used airframes,
you got the COVID pandemic, uh, and then you've got
supplier issues. But then you got fourth And here's the
one that I I understand it. I can intellectually comprehend it,
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but I don't get that Boeing didn't comprehend this. And
the fourth category for the delay, I would just call
complex modifications, because when you're converting a commercial seven forty
seven into a presidential aircraft, well obviously those kinds of
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modifications are going to be expensive. You have secure communications,
you don't have commercial grade avionics, you're going to have
military grade avionics. Air Force one has self defense systems,
it even has the ability to create an electro magnetic
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shield to survive things like nuclear blasts. That's obviously highly specialized,
very challenging, and some stories INBC News had a story
that said that is going to take an extra billion
dollars and it's going to take extra time.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
All right, Well, but.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
When you sit down to negotiate for two presidential transports,
if you're on the Boeing side of the negotiation table,
don't you go to the other side of the table
and say, we know these are eventually going to be
used for presidential aircraft. And by the way, just so
(12:50):
we're clear, Boeing would be the one making these modifications.
Now I'm sure that there's some because Boeing's obviously a
military contractor. Boeing does make things other than just seven
thirty sevens, So they're.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The ones that are going to be doing this.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Wouldn't they go to that division, or wouldn't they go
to their contacts in the Pentagon and say, tell us
precisely everything that you want or that you're going to
upgrade or that you want us to upgrade. Wouldn't you
do that in the negotiations? But nonetheless, that apparently turned
out to be a glitch, if you will, in the
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delivery these two planes. And then Boeing itself had problems.
That would be the fifth thing I'd point out Bueing
itself because some of their manufacturer, some of their subcontractors
they went out of business, they went bankrupt. They had
a hard time getting workers with the security clearances that
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are needed. It's called a Yankee White security clearance for
this particular construction project. They had a hard time all
of that. So, you know, I can't blame Boweing for
that because that's something specific. But nonetheless, they knew at
some point they would need those workers with those clearances,
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and they should have been talking to some In other words,
the contract negotiations seem to have been a kind of
a lamb bam thanking man thing. Like you know, I'm
sure Trump was driving hard on it, but Boeing's not like,
you know, I don't want to pick on Sessma, but
Boweing's not like Sessma. It's like, you know, you you
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kind of built these planes before you got some track
record here. But then we get to the the last
two reasons for the delays that, uh, I can't really
blame Boeing for this change orders. Now I do I
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do blame Boeing in this regard. Boeing should have known.
I mean, for Pete's they're already defense contractors. They know
that the government always has change orders. Hill's bells. If
you're if you work for a civil engineering firm and
you contract with the State of Colorado to build an
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interstate highway or to do the t REX project or
do the the Gap project down south of the Castle Rocks,
you know that the State of Colorado is going to
have change orders. You know they're gonna start changing things.
You know that you're gonna have you know, additional costs,
wish and why you would never enter into a fixed base,
a fixed cost contract with State of Colorado because you
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know they're gonna have all these changes. Well, apparently claiming
evolving security threats. Design changes such as debates over the
aircraft's livery added complexity, added delays. Trump wanted a darker
paint scheme. Well, just changing the paint scheme required additional testing.
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Now I don't understand why. Maybe somebody has more information
than I do can explain why changing the paint scheme,
I mean, does does the color of the paint change
the weight.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Of the paint.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
The jets are painted all the time, so I don't
quite underste So.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I don't understand, like this is a darker blue heavier
than a light blue. Does it add more weight. Does
it change the avionics some way? Does it change the
you know, the the electromagnetic field. Does it change that?
I mean, I don't know, but anyway, that's that's one
of the changes that apparently caused problems, and that change
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was then reversed by Biden. Biden didn't like the new
color scheme.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
It's like, we need well, if I recall her, Trump
wanted to do something similar to what his personal jet was,
with more of a darker black, super super dark blue.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
It was super dark blue.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
Idiot changed the whole There wasn't uproar.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
People didn't particularly care for that because we liked the
way the traditional Air Force one looks right now. So
I can totally see Biden going, nah, we'll stick with
what we got.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I can't do It's classic.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Even though Biden changed or reversed the color scheme, just
putting a new color scheme in by Trump caused the
delay because they had to. It was a change order
that had a cascading effect. I just don't understand what
the cascading.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Effects were the same. Yeah, I don't get that.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
And then you had engineering delays, you had test delays,
ground based subsisting testing powering on the aircraft that was
all delayed.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
It's not Cutter, it's Qatar. I have been there. It
is guitar.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
The Katarians or the people from Qatar pronounce it Qatar.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
So check it out. It's for real. Think it's a guitar.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I'll take you, take your word for it.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
What's the name of that burger place?
Speaker 3 (18:07):
You like?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Take the dogs? So every every weekend? Oh the McDonald McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, I've been.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I've been to McDonald's and that's how I pronounced it, right,
Uh I. If you've been there, and that's what the
Katarians say that, I'll the Qatar. You say that, I'll
take your word for it. I would like to know
definitively if it is Cutter or Qatar. Should we trust
a goober? That seems like that's like a dangerous path.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
To go down.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
It's just either potato or tomato.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I don't I telling you.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
They're listening to us and they want us to trust them,
and they're listening to us.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Wow, is it jilipino or jalapeno.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I've never heard alipino, klipino, kalipo.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
You know what we're talking about? When we say it.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
So think about where Boeing is on this. And this
is probably not a fair statement to make, but I
think this whole debacle over the presidential transport planes is
an indication of a much larger problem in this society.
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It's way too much government, having too much involvement in
too many things. It is us spending way too much
money on the wrong things. Because at the same time,
I don't know if it's happening exactly right now or not,
but some time today the Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy
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is going before some I think a House committee, I'm
not sure which. I assume the House Transportation Committee, but
I don't know, to talk about the problems with the
FAA and in specifically the ATC, the air traffic control system. Well,
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and he's going to blame I assume he will blame
all previous presidential administrations. Well, if he is, he should
also at the same time blame the Trump one point, oh,
because these problems have existed for decades, decades plural, And
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he should point his little scragly finger, if he's got
a straggly finger, he should point his middle finger to
Congress and blame them too, because They've had plenty of
opportunities to fix it. And I'd bet you a dollar
to a donut today that you're going to hear democrats
(20:54):
bet and moan about what well you brought Elon musk
In and those fired all these employees. Now, they didn't
fire any air traffic controllers. They fired people who had
nothing to do with air traffic control. I heard that
Newark had problems again yesterday. The airlines have now asked
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for a meeting with Duffy and the FAA because they
had I forget how many cancelations. I think it was
close to one hundred. They had several hundred delays. They
had some more outages. It's like a third world country.
And it's because and look, I know Duffy will go
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before Congress today and he's going to ask for billions
of dollars to upgrade a system that relies on, at
least in part on floppy disks, original size floppy discs.
I mean, that's how bad it is. And Congress may
or may not. I mean, there'll be a bunch of
great and standing, but they may or may not authorize
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the spending to upgrade the system. Now, let me ask
you a question, and let me make it a start question.
What do you think is more important as an American
citizen an air traffic control system that works? Because this
economy is pretty damn dependent upon a functioning air traffic
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control system. You may not fly, but some of the
stuff you order flies. You may not fly, but maybe
grandma does. You may not fly, but the CEO of
a company that you buy products from has to fly
around stores to make sure that the stores are managed properly,
and probably flies commercial.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He doesn't fly private like Bernie and AOC.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
So would you rather have the money spent on a functioning,
first class modern air traffic control system or would you
rather have a Medicaid system that provides free healthcare to
illegal aliens who shouldn't be here in the first place.
We see, our priorities are all left up and for
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someone to point that out, Oh, I can't believe Michael
Brown said that today. Well it's the truth. It's the truth,
whether you want to admit it or not. We have
our priorities completely screwed up. And for all of you
who take Social Security and are worried about the viability
of Social Security, well then you ought to ask your
congressman Republican or Democrat. How much money did you take
(23:35):
out of that Remember that box that Al Gore always
used to talk about, Well, how much money did you
take out of the Social Security Trust Fund? Transferred to
the general Fund and then put an iou back into
the Social Security Trust Fund? Yeah, your member of Congress
did that. We just.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
We're an income poops. Back to Boying.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I really do to finish this thing about bullying, because
it does show you that all of this kerfuffle over
the airplane from Qatar, cutter from Qatar is really just
meant to what attack Trump further divide the country. And
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I agree, Dragon, and I think probably have a difference
of opinion about whether you should do it or not.
I told you what I would say. My attitude is,
I really don't care. My attitude is I think the
two existing planes are fine. I know Trump likes new
things and he wants to know. He wants it because
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he's president right now. He wants this plane. Although the
new plane may take a year or more to retrofit itself,
so he may never even actually fly on these planes.
So I just really don't give a rat's ask whether
we do it or not. Some people, on the other hand,
find it very I won't speak for you.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
How do you find it dragon distasteful?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
Yeah, I don't really particularly care for the leader of
the free world, our nation here, the United States, to
ride on a second hand plane. It may be the
nicest plane in the freaking world, but let's let's let's
have him, you know, be the first owner.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Can I start an argument. Sure, he's flying on a
second hand plane right.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Now, but the world leader, the United States leader, the
president of the United has been that's that's the only
person that's been riding on these jets.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
So you're you're.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Problem's not that it's a second hand plane, it's that
the Katari people, the Katari Warrior family, owned it and
flew on it. Yes, okay, because he's currently flying on
is like pointed out second hand airframes that originally belonged
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to a Russian company.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
What do you say about that that were never flown
by them? They were just the shells.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
No, they were completed, they were they just were never
delivered because it went bankrupt. Oh, they they tested, they flew,
they were fully operational and belonged to the company, the
Russian company.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
But the only.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Passengers, so to speak, would be the president.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Okay, I'm not laughing at you. I'm only laughing because
it's such a such a fine distinction.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
It's like buying.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Oh but I'm buying a house that is a fairly
new house. But it originally.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Jared Poulus lift hate this pair of used underwear. It
might be the nicest pair of used underwear in the world.
It's got gold woven into it. But if somebody else
has worn it, I don't want to wear it.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
There you have it, air Force one used underwear. There's
the correlation.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Okay, swimsuit, I'm not wearing somebody else's swimsuit. How about that.
That's a little better than underwear. All right, don't get
don't get me delayed from my talking about the delays.
Let's see Boeing's reported losses totaling two point five billion,
with additional losses of seven hundred and sixty six million
announced in twenty twenty two, and then four hundred and
(27:32):
eighty two million announced in a later quarterly report.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
So add that up.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
What is the the total program cost including Boeing's losses,
is now estimated at around four point seven billion. A
loan seven point four point seven billion for the aircraft alone.
Additional expenses like the new hangar at Andrew's two hundred
and fifty million flight manuals eighty four million. The over
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run stem from all the other stuff. But now let's
get to the delays. The expected delivery date um it
was pushed to from December twenty twenty four, pushed to
twenty twenty six. Fox Business reports that now is delayed
(28:21):
until at least twenty twenty nine or later. That's the last.
Recent negotiations between Boeing and the Air Force, including a
potential relaxation of some requirements, have led to a more
optimistic estimate of twenty twenty seven for at least one
of them, as stated by Darlene Costello, the Air Force's
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acting acquisitions chief, which she said this month. I think
I've got a problem with that. I don't want a
new one and an old one as the backup. I now,
the pilots are the cream of the crop. But you
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go from the new configured one to the old configured
one and back and forth. I just to me, that's
taking an unnecessary risk.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Michael and Dragon, I tell you guys are more gringo
than I am, and I'm curious, darned gringo if you
don't know how a native Spanish speaker says those little
spicy green peppers that they use all over the place.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
And you know Mexican restaurants, et cetera. Go to a
food truck run by Mexican folks and ask them what
kind of peppers they use, and I guarantee you they'll
probably say it in a way that will be new
to you.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Well, tell us what the other is, right, good grief, Filipino.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You get a demerit for that.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Je.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
You go through all.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Of that, and then you don't tell us the correct
for the correct non Gringo pronunciation. We're just a couple
of dune white guys. We're a good grief. You got
to help us out here, buddy.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Sometimes these goobers just absolutely infuriate me. You ask them
to do one simple thing, you criticize, but you don't
tell us how.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
To act you. Back it up, Back it up.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Somebody asked who built the original air Force ones Presidential
Transports Douglas Aircraft Corporation nineteen.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
And he was FDR. I forget what year it was.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
McDonald's at Douglas, then McDonald Douglas, and then Boeing. So
so we're back if you're asking who built the original ones.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
That are being used right now Boeing, Which is.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
The whole point about I don't understand why nobody is
asking or report because, well I know why, because it's
all about Trump. It's Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, and Trump's.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Wrong wrong, wrong, wrong wrong.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Now, look, there's a lot of things Trump's done so
far in this term that I don't like, and I
you know, it is what it is now. I do
like to change. I like the chaos, even though I
don't like some of the things that are actually happening.
And it just drives me crazy. Just all started with
the stupid ABC News talking about you know, Trump hopes
(31:29):
to get this plane. Well, I'm sure he does hope
to get the plane, but I think that even if
he accepts this plane, let me rephrase that, let me
be precise, Even if the United States government accepts this plane,
which it has the authority to do, there's I would say,
(31:50):
maybe a fifty to fifty chance it will be retrofitted
and ready for him to fly before he leaves office.
Maybe a fifty to fifty chance because we can't do anything.
We can't do anything eighty one seventy nine writes for example, Michael,
I understand the ATC system is antiquated, but why did
(32:13):
this start having problems after Trump took office? No, what
what you really mean to ask is, but why did
the reporting about the problems start after Trump took office?
That's why we hear about it. You know, Pearls before Swine.
I think it's one of the greatest comic strips ever
devised because it's as you've, aggressive, sarcastic, and satirical, which
(32:37):
pretty much sums up my personality, and dragons do for
that matter. Yesterday it was they talked about I forget
Rat and Pig. We're talking about how there was a
near miss and Rat was like, you mean they almost
hit each other? No, they so it wasn't a near miss.
(32:58):
They missed each other. Well, so did they hit each other?
It was a it was a near hit, not a
near miss. Potato p Thodo, Calapinia, Haltenia
Speaker 2 (33:13):
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