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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael, I think Robert Hurr did the country a complete
disservice by not prosecuting him. At least we could have
seen how much of a dementia ridden case he is.
And he did to make crimes. I mean, give me
a break, he admitted to it. How is this not
a crime?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
What you can't indict a sitting president he could have.
It's interesting you bring that up because her could have
found the crime. In fact, if you read the report carefully,
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her both directly and indirectly states that Joe Biden did
commit the crime. He unlawfully stored keppt, retained, absponded with
whatever classified documents, and he did not have the authority
to do so, and he did that at a time
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prior to him assuming the presidency. But as is, I
think well founded law in the Supreme Court recently affirmed that,
and everybody went backcrap crazy on it, that a sitting
president cannot be indicted for crimes that fall within the
purview of his office, and that it is the policy
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not to indict a sitting president because of the absolute
chaos that would create in terms of governing the country.
There is a political process if a let's take an extreme,
Joe Biden had murdered somebody. He had taken his shotgun
out on the balcony and just fired a shot into
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the air and killed a couple of k teenagers that
were wandering around in the trees outside his Delaware home.
Probably manslaughter, maybe some degree murder. But Bien, let's say
Biden was the president at the time, Well, that is
such an egregious criminality and such an egregious criminal act
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that even though you cannot prosecute him, and even though
it's outside the official duties of the presidency, there is
a political remedy for that, and that is impeachment. And
they could have impeached him on the grounds that having
committed this crime under the high Crimes and Misdemeanor portion
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of the Constitution, they could have said that it was
in the best interests of the country that you no
longer serve And much like let's take Richard Nixon. Richard
Nixon engaged in a conspiracy to cover up a crime,
which is a crime, but nobody ever thought about indicting
Richard Nixon for that crime. Instead, the Watergate Committee decided
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they would probably vote articles of impeachment, and so the
Republicans run up to the White House and say, look,
mister President, if you don't resign, we're going to impeach
you and remove you from office. And we have the
votes to do it. So we have a political process
and could have removed him from office. Now, let's say,
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let's go back to Biden having committed manslaughter or second
degree murder. Once he resigns and leaves office, he could
be prosecuted for that. The same is true here with Biden.
Once he left office, he could have been prosecuted for it,
but they made the decision not to prosecute and I
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agree with it. And I agree with it because if
you at every district attorney, save some of the stupid
progressive attorneys in Colorado, but every decent district attorney that
understands his job is to seek justice would look at
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a case and say, can I obtain justice in this case?
So they have to look at all of their witnesses,
all of the evidence, and they have to answer this
question for themselves. Can I convince a jury beyond a
reasonable doubt that this person is guilty of that crime?
Can I prove every single element of the crime, Because
you have to prove every element of the crime, every sentence,
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every paragraph, every element of the crime. You have to
prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury or to
a judge if they waive a jury trial. And if
your answer is no, I can't prove it beyond a
reasonable doubt, das will oftentimes go back to their investigators
and to the detectives. In this case, they FBI whoever
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it might be. In a local case, it might be
a local cop and say, look, I can't prove this
part of the crime beyond a reasonable day out in
my opinion, I need more evidence, and he'll send them
out to go investigate further until they become convinced that
either they can prove it beyond reasonable doubt or they
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cannot prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. And their job
as a DA is even if they believe the crime
was committed, their job is not to prosecute it unless
they believe that they can obtain justice and obtain a conviction. Now,
many DA's many day, I know you're jumping ahead of me.
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Many DA's will say, well, I think it's questionable. I
may not be able to prove that, but I'm willing
to go try it, and so they'll take the case
to trial, hoping that they can somehow persuade a jury
beyond a reasonable doubt that every element was proven. Her
made the decision here. If I decide, if I recommend
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that Biden be indicted, when he leaves office and he's
in this badest shape today, he'll be in even worse shape,
and he will get the sympathy of a jury and
nobody's going to indicting. I mean, nobody's going to go
into convict him. They're good there, they're good. First of all,
a jury with a former sitting president there who can't
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remember the S word. No, I don't think a jury
would convict him. Now you can disagree, but I'm telling
you that's how our system works. And I think that
her made the right decision here. Let's say that Her
had made the decision to go ahead and recommend prosecution,
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Biden had left office, and the trial was it, you know, progressing.
We're only one hundred plus days beyond his leaving office
back on January twentieth at noon, so the trial wouldn't
be very far along. Can you imagine now, taking that
old fart and putting him on the witness stand, or
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having him sitting at the defense table drooling and can't
stay awake and you know, having to take breaks to
go pee or where he has to go. I can't
be in court tomorrow because I've got you know, I've
got some chemo treatment or I've got whatever treatment I'm taking.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Well, just remember what happened. Was it last week with
the interview on the view, Biden? A lot of people
think your brain is turning into mush. Now, when I
first got an office, there was January sixth, and they
left us with a big problem. And yeah, he didn't
even come close to answering the question. Then Jill steps
in and goes.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
No, he's as sharp as he's ever been.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, a jury today would be even more sympathetic. Now,
remember you're not on the jury. So as much as
you think he's a lions sick of poop, which he
probably is, and as much as he probably may deserve
to go to prison, it's not gonna happen because you're
not on the jury. So it's a great question, just
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as the question about why didn't her ask him? Why
didn't her ask him? Hey, let's go back to the question,
mister president, because you're fishing you want to find out.
I've done that to witnesses many times. They start rambling,
and I'll let them go on until the rambling just
gets so bad that I know I'm not going to
get anything, so I draw back in. I draw the
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fishing line back in by saying the question was when
did you do X? And I'll let them try again,
and if they won't, then I will make a note
in my prep work and I'll make a note to
come back to that question, and I'll go to something
else and then come back. Lawyers do this all the time,
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and it's very very effective, and I think what her
was doing there was very very effective. I wasn't going
to do this, but I think I will just for
giggles and grins, I just want you to hear the
rest of it. I don't normally do this, but I
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think here it's it's worth hearing. We were about halfway through,
so I'll back it up just a little bit. We'll
just we'll just go to the halfway mark. Here's the
rest of the interview. I got to get it back
where I wanted good enough, close enough, and the.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Title promised me Dad.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Was a h.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I know they're all close to dogs. But oh, it's.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Like my right arm. And that was my last These
guys were a year and a day afar, and they
can finish.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Each other sentences. And bo I used to go home
on the train.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
And if you're ad that I was still a sentence.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Anyway, just remember.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
There was pressure, not pressure.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Bo I knew how much I knew around.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
And uh and it sounds so that made it sound.
So everybody knew how close you were. I mean there
was not anybody knew. We want to wonder whether or
not anyway.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
And so.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Then oh, I let me just keep coming and got done.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And that's where her says, this president, maybe you'd like
to take a break here. No, I just want to
keep going. I want to get it done. I want
to get it done. Now Her knows at this point
he's not getting anything.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
Her knows.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I I don't know this for a fact, but putting
myself in her shoes, I know at this point hers
decided that this is going nowhere. This guy truly is
just reminiscing. All he's doing is reminiscing. Well, you know,
her don must spend all day he listened to the
old fart reminisce, but Biden insists they continue. I'm sorry,
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but when I first heard that, I laughed out loud.
The question was where were the documents Mongolia. Now he's
wondered off, he's wandered off from talking about bo to
having been in Mongolia. Oh my god, this is now.
And don't do not forget this. He was the sitting
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president at the time that you are hearing. I know
you're hearing it right now, but the time this audio
was made, he was the commander in chief of the
mightiest nation on this planet. That'll scare the crap out
of you. Great pictures.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I unfortunately embarrassed that the leader of Mongolia as they
were doing what they would do at the time of
the internation of the Mongols in New Europe and fourteen
in the eight hundreds, and it's who are out of
nowhere and they're looking up there and see this tiny
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mind some twenty mile horse race from all of these
kids on the age of sixteen hours. Fair vac ration
to come down, and you know there's some wrestlers.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I get a posit for a moment, because again I
want you to have some perspective here. Can you imagine
you're the special prosecutor. You have the sitting president of
the United States of America sitting probably five feet from
you across the table. I don't know exactly what the
setup was. And you ask him, mister President, where were
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those documents that you referred to earlier? Where were they?
And he's wandering off, talking about going to Mongolia and
watching these kids and somehow embarrassing the leader of Mongolia.
And this is all I mean. Can you imagine what
her has to be thinking to himself. Now, I'm sure
there's a thousand thoughts going through his head. There's no
way I can indite this guy. He's probably also thinking,
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I need to go home and pray for the country.
I need to go home and pray that there's somebody
that's got their hands on the steering wheel, because this
guy's got his foot on the accelerator and he's staring
out the window, just kind of wondering, Oh, look, it's
kind of nice out today. This is one of them.
This is again where I say, and I'll take your
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argument any time of day, and I'll beat your ass
with it. This is worse than Watergate.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
And and so they walked over and they had a target,
big bails of hey one hundred yards away, and these
guerrillas were you know, takes.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Now, now we've got gorillas. Now whether those are g
O r I l l A s gorillas, but those
are g U E R I l l A s gorillas.
But we got gorillas out there somewhere.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Shots and I think was in Paris there make a
more handed to bow and arrow. I'm not a bad archerer,
but we only found that word back and pull it back.
So I surely luck I hate the gun in target. No,
I really did bails of hay right, twenty bails of
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hey was U with a big target in the bail
and so I didn't meet any But I turned to
the primer Shandon to hear pure some much.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Couldn't pull back with this memo. Do you wonder if
they're laughing at him? It's nervous laugh and I don't
know who's laughing. Staffers, the other lawyers, the videographer, the stenographer,
who's laughing again. The other reason I'd like to see
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the audio. They've got to be watching this thinking, oh
my god, simultaneous thoughts. This is freaking hilarious, and this
is freaking scarier than the s words.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Was this something that you consciously yes, after your time as.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
President see hers given up her now says, okay, I'm
not going to get you know where they were, So
let me try a different tactic. Are these things that
you kept deliberately? Now notice the terminology. You've got to
prove the man's rea he had he had the state
of mind, because now state of mind is real serious issue.
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Based on that six minutes and fifty six seconds of
rambling about kids in a parade Mongolia bo Hunter. You know,
my right arm, my left arm, the book, the title
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah is something that
he wanted to hold on to.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
I want to hang on just proposterity s I mean,
did this was my position on Afghanistan. I I've been
a few mytorical standpoints, that's our certain points in history,
oral history, or fundamental things change, usually technology for example,
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aout Gutenberg's Pretty Depression. You're gonna be a very different place,
literally different because country would not have known what was
happening in other.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Country parts of the country.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You see. I I wanted to keep these because my
documents were as important to civilization as the inventing of
the Gutenberg printing press.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Wow, you know, I think about a stupid idea notion
makes the probably but I'm president where he used to
television the very sweating I'm used to sail.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
He was sweating so profusely in that debate. A lot
of people thought he wanted the debate, but he lost
the debate because of his demeanor. So there's a lot
of things that I think are fundamentally changing how the
international society's function. And they related a lot to technology,
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and one of the things that I was in the
view that a lot has changed in terms of everything from.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The Internet to the way in which he there's I
don't know, there's maybe twenty seconds left. Yeah, what were
they cut? You know, the five w's. Who were they?
What were they doing? Why were they doing it? How
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long did they know it? Where was the twenty fifth Amendment?
Who was running the country? These are serious, serious question
This is a worse cover up than Nix and covering
up of two bit burglary at the Watergate complex. This
is serious, all.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
Right, Michael. I'm totally with you on the fact that
it's worse than Watergate. Watergate is almost laughably simple and
childlike compared to some of the stuff that's gone on
in the last twelve years or whatever. We please expound
tell us why it's worse than Watergate?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Thank you. Well, I didn't expect that question, but I
think it's I think it's a worthwhile question. So what
was the essence of Watergate? The breaking in the plumbers
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in conjunction with the Republican National Committee, breaking into the
headquarters of the Democrat National Committee, trying to get some files,
find out strategy what they're doing. So politically it's pretty bad,
but politically it didn't threaten the constitution. I mean, at
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the time they claimed, oh my gosh, this is a
constitution because everything's a constitutional crisis. It was a third
rate burglar done by some men that should have been
better at doing what they were doing, considering their backgrounds,
and they bungled it and they got caught. So you
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have a burglary case. Then you find out that, oh,
there's a connection between these burglars and the Republican National
Committee White House, including the Attorney General and you know,
the Chief of Staff, and you know Dean the Special
Assistant of the President, and so and hr Haldeman, all
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you had all these people that in the in the
in the West wing, and they knew of and they
were doing all of the coordinating of the break in,
So they were engaged in the crime. Now that that
is bad because that goes to the very you know,
our belief that the people that we elect and then
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the people they choose to support them are all honest. Huh.
What a naive little thought we've had, isn't it? That
the people we elect are honest? But what was the
serious crime? In my opinion, the serious crime was Nixon
knowing about the cover up, knowing about the payoff, knowing
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that he had had conversations with Alderman and Dean and
others in the West communtie in the Oval office, and
that Rosemary Woods was aware of the taping system that
had preceded Nixon. Johnson and others had this taping system
to tape the conversations in which you know, fine, I
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really don't have a problem with that. And I'm not
sure about DC, whether it's a one party or two
party state in terms of the legality of taping without
someone else's knowledge. Colorado happens to be a one party
state as long as one party knows that the tapings occur,
then it's legal. So the serious problem, not compared to
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what we have here, was that Nixon knew about it. Now,
whether this is factually true or not, we still don't know,
but that we have eighteen minutes of missing tapes which
Rosemary Woods ostensibly accidentally erased, could or could not have
been at the direction of the of President Nixon, but
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was done to try to conceal the cover up, the
conspiracy that Nixon was involved in, the conspiracy that Nixon
knew of to break in to the DNC. So it's
just political intrigue. The problem is when the president of
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the United States is engaged in a cover up. Had
nothing to do with policy, had nothing to do with
national security, had nothing to do with defense budgets, CIA budgets,
had nothing to do with you know, legislation, legislation pending
before Congress, had nothing to do with tax policy, had
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nothing to do with any sort of policy that matters
to you know Americans. It had all to do with
political strategy. But nonetheless, the president was engaged in a crime,
he couldn't be prosecuted for the crime because he was
a sitting president. As we now know based on Supreme Court.
Well we knew then, but the Supreme Court had not
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technically ruled on the different levels of immunity. They've since
done that. So Nixon probably could have been tried post presidency,
but he wasn't, and he wasn't because first he was
sitting president. So he's not going to be he's not
going to be charged while he's sitting president. The Watergate
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hearings blow up. John Dene testifies, We learn about the tapes,
we learned about the cover up, We learn about all
of that, and then they decide, both Republicans and Democrats, yeah,
we should vote to impeaching. Republicans say, wait a minute,
we think we can get him to resign. Let us
see if we can't convince him to resign. As opposed
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to going through all the political holabaloo of an impeachment.
I mean, they were actually concerned more about keeping the
country together, keeping us, you know, from falling further and
further divided by going through an impeachment process. Fast forward
to a few years ago. They didn't give a round
to us about that. We just got to impeach this
guy on anything we can come up with. So go
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back to Watergate. Now will you get to Watergate? They go,
Howard Baker and the others go up to the White House.
Mister President, we have the votes to impeach you. You
need to resign or otherwise you will be impeached, you
will be removed from office, and we believe we have
the evidence to convict you, and you will be forced
from office. Nixon considers it, decides that yes, it's in
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his best interest to avoid all of that and resign.
Gerald Ford moves in from vice from the vice presidency
and makes the decision which probably costs him the election,
to Jimmy Carter and says, it's probably in the best
interest in the country to pardon Nixon and just put
that behind us, because there were no serious national security violations.
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There were no you know, legislative violations, there were no
policy violations. There was nothing that had to do it
was going to endanger the country other than having a
president that had lost the legitimacy of being president, all
based on a burglary. Stupid burglary. So what do we
have here? So that's Watergate, a burglary, and president tries
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to cover it up, knowingly, tries to cover up a burglary,
and so he is pushed out of office by his
own party. Here you have a guy that cannot fulfill
the day to day functions of the presidency. He cannot
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he cannot even hold a cabinet meeting. Members of the
cabinet have testified they never talked to him once in
four years. They couldn't get through to him to find
out about policy issues about what they should or should
not be doing, So they became rogue secretaries. They just
did what they pleased, no guidance from the White House,
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at least no guidance from the President. I shouldn't say
no guidance from the White House, because somebody was obviously saying, hey,
mister secretary of whatever, missus secretary of whatever, we want
you to do this, and they would just go along
with it because they didn't know who's in charge. We
had a president that, in the face of world leaders,
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appeared to be completely out of touch, incapable of performing
his duties. We had our adversaries that knew he was incapable.
In fact, you know, Trump is what Even though I
get tired of Trump talking about it, I've been president.
Putin would not have invaded Ukraine I believe that's true.
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I'm just tired of hearing about it, but I do
believe it is true because I think Vladimir Putin had
his eyes on Ukraine long before followed, but because he'd
already got in Crimea during Obama, and Obama drew a
redline and ignored it. So he knew that the Democrats,
Obama in particular Biden being his vice president, were pushovers.
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So Biden surprisingly wins by eleven million votes or whatever
the number was. That we don't seem to be able
to find anywhere in the current election from last year.
Those just disappeared somewhere. So Putin knows that now with
Biden in office, he's free to move into Ukraine. I'm
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honestly surprised, knowing what we know now, because Putin probably
knew how bad it was. He didn't just go for
Poland now. He probably didn't because he wanted to just
kind of do it step by step, because he knew
he got Crimea without any consequences whatsoever. So maybe I
can just get the rest of Ukraine, and sure enough
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he invades. He would never have done that under Trump,
but he knew he could get by with it, and
could have easily led US into World War three. Watergate
would never lead US into World War three. Now, let's
think about Communist China for a moment. Communist China looked
at what was going on here, and they knew that
they had paid him off through his son numerous times.
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They knew they could do anything they but you would
have believe it was accidental or on purpose. They send
a Chinese spy balloon over. Now, whether it really got
any intel or not. Nonetheless, if I was Eugeneping, I
would have said, hey, yeah, go float that balloon. Let's
see what happens. What happened nothing. They let it go
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all across military installations until it gets out onto the Atlantic,
and then they blow it up. That tells you everything
that you need to know about the national security state
of this country. The Secretary of Defense gets sick, Well,
was it pangretitis or what did he do? Was it?
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Was it his prostator whatever Lloyd Austin had. So he
stays home, he's sick for several weeks. Then he goes
to Walter Reid. He not only does he never tell
the White House that he's going under the knife or
that he's out of Commission because he's so sick for
a while. But nobody in the White House cares because
Biden never talks to Lloyd Austin. Holy crap, the commander
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in chiefs never talking to the to the deaf sec
And we just expect if something goes to hell in
a handbasket around the world, that somebody's gonna step up
and be in charge. Good gree Jake Sullivan, the National
Security Advisor, in my humble opinion, was running the entire
national security apparatus. Biden didn't have a clue that put
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this country at risk for four years. We're just lucky
that our adversaries didn't do worse things, and I can
guarantee them. I can't guarantee you this, but I sincerely
believe this that had Biden won a second term, or
had Harris won a first term as president, they would
have gone further. China would have invaded Taiwan. Putin probably
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would have pushed even further Trump, I mean, Putin probably
would have enforced conscription, even though that would have caused
him domestic problems. And they probably would have pushed even
further and harder in Ukraine, or maybe done a run
around and gone into Poland, they would be facing World
War three?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
What would they have taken a break on time?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And No, they wouldn't take a break on time because
Biden wouldn't have a clue when the breaks were, because
Biden was always on a break.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Good morning, Michael, Good morning Dragon. You know, listening to
these her recordings, I kind of wonder, is it possible
that Biden is actually answering in this way on purpose?
The answers to the questions are just so preposterous it
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makes me wonder.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But then I.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Realize I'm giving him way too much credit because we
all saw what happened in the debate and so many
other times.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, I think you're totally off base.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
You're trying harder than I am.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Right, you're trying even harder than Dragon, because if and
I hope you never experience it, but I've experienced it
within my extended family of elderly I can take in
particularly of an elderly, elderly grandfather and an elderly grandmother
on different sides of the family that reached that stage.
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And unfortunately, I'm kind of beginning to see a little
bit of that in my ninety four year old mother
I'm not going to tell you the incident, but we
had an incident over the weekend that just literally scared
me to death because of it shows a sudden, like
a really serious sign of a problem. But there was
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two things. One text message about Biden, you know, being
dishonest from the beginning. I agree, And his character is
he has he is not a man of good character.
And you want to know why this is from forty
six eighty two, and why hasn't why hasn't he carte
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Blanc been labeled as incompetent He's still not. I'm bothered
by about people saying he's too old. It's a competence
character issue, not age. Actually I disagree with you. It
is all of those things. It is competence, it is
character her and it is age. It's all of them.
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And I would just add that perhaps we now know why.
It's whether whether the diagnosis is old or new. David
Axelrod is now saying the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Yeah. I mean, as you mentioned, this comes at a
time where there is so much and continued attention, uh
you know, placed on his mental acuity and stability as
well as ahead of this book release, and you mentioned,
there's been a lot of discussion about it. His medical
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condition now has announced medical condition.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Now do you believe.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
That silences or delays a lot of conversations about his
you know, last year and a half of his presidency
for now?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, well, I mean I think those conversations are going
to happen, but they should be more muted and set aside, uh,
for now as he's struggling, uh through this. Yeah, it's uh,
I just it is, it is, it is. It shouldn't
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be stunning because prostate cancer is so common among men
at his stage in life. Most men, if they live
long enough to deal with prostate cancer. But and it's
great news that they think that it's edgible.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh yeah, So any conversation, according to David Acro, any
conversations now about his mental acuity should be more muted
and maybe just set aside for that. No. No, this
was a huge cover up and I'm sorry, yes, cancer
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that were not going to ignore the elephant in the room,
which m mm hmm.
Michael, I think Robert Hurr did the country a complete
disservice by not prosecuting him. At least we could have
seen how much of a dementia ridden case he is.
And he did to make crimes. I mean, give me
a break, he admitted to it. How is this not
a crime?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
What you can't indict a sitting president he could have.
It's interesting you bring that up because her could have
found the crime. In fact, if you read the report carefully,
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her both directly and indirectly states that Joe Biden did
commit the crime. He unlawfully stored keppt, retained, absponded with
whatever classified documents, and he did not have the authority
to do so, and he did that at a time
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prior to him assuming the presidency. But as is, I
think well founded law in the Supreme Court recently affirmed that,
and everybody went backcrap crazy on it, that a sitting
president cannot be indicted for crimes that fall within the
purview of his office, and that it is the policy
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not to indict a sitting president because of the absolute
chaos that would create in terms of governing the country.
There is a political process if a let's take an extreme,
Joe Biden had murdered somebody. He had taken his shotgun
out on the balcony and just fired a shot into
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the air and killed a couple of k teenagers that
were wandering around in the trees outside his Delaware home.
Probably manslaughter, maybe some degree murder. But Bien, let's say
Biden was the president at the time, Well, that is
such an egregious criminality and such an egregious criminal act
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that even though you cannot prosecute him, and even though
it's outside the official duties of the presidency, there is
a political remedy for that, and that is impeachment. And
they could have impeached him on the grounds that having
committed this crime under the high Crimes and Misdemeanor portion
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of the Constitution, they could have said that it was
in the best interests of the country that you no
longer serve And much like let's take Richard Nixon. Richard
Nixon engaged in a conspiracy to cover up a crime,
which is a crime, but nobody ever thought about indicting
Richard Nixon for that crime. Instead, the Watergate Committee decided
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they would probably vote articles of impeachment, and so the
Republicans run up to the White House and say, look,
mister President, if you don't resign, we're going to impeach
you and remove you from office. And we have the
votes to do it. So we have a political process
and could have removed him from office. Now, let's say,
(03:20):
let's go back to Biden having committed manslaughter or second
degree murder. Once he resigns and leaves office, he could
be prosecuted for that. The same is true here with Biden.
Once he left office, he could have been prosecuted for it,
but they made the decision not to prosecute and I
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agree with it. And I agree with it because if
you at every district attorney, save some of the stupid
progressive attorneys in Colorado, but every decent district attorney that
understands his job is to seek justice would look at
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a case and say, can I obtain justice in this case?
So they have to look at all of their witnesses,
all of the evidence, and they have to answer this
question for themselves. Can I convince a jury beyond a
reasonable doubt that this person is guilty of that crime?
Can I prove every single element of the crime, Because
you have to prove every element of the crime, every sentence,
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every paragraph, every element of the crime. You have to
prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury or to
a judge if they waive a jury trial. And if
your answer is no, I can't prove it beyond a
reasonable doubt, das will oftentimes go back to their investigators
and to the detectives. In this case, they FBI whoever
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it might be. In a local case, it might be
a local cop and say, look, I can't prove this
part of the crime beyond a reasonable day out in
my opinion, I need more evidence, and he'll send them
out to go investigate further until they become convinced that
either they can prove it beyond reasonable doubt or they
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cannot prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. And their job
as a DA is even if they believe the crime
was committed, their job is not to prosecute it unless
they believe that they can obtain justice and obtain a conviction. Now,
many DA's many day, I know you're jumping ahead of me.
(05:35):
Many DA's will say, well, I think it's questionable. I
may not be able to prove that, but I'm willing
to go try it, and so they'll take the case
to trial, hoping that they can somehow persuade a jury
beyond a reasonable doubt that every element was proven. Her
made the decision here. If I decide, if I recommend
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that Biden be indicted, when he leaves office and he's
in this badest shape today, he'll be in even worse shape,
and he will get the sympathy of a jury and
nobody's going to indicting. I mean, nobody's going to go
into convict him. They're good there, they're good. First of all,
a jury with a former sitting president there who can't
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remember the S word. No, I don't think a jury
would convict him. Now you can disagree, but I'm telling
you that's how our system works. And I think that
her made the right decision here. Let's say that Her
had made the decision to go ahead and recommend prosecution,
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Biden had left office, and the trial was it, you know, progressing.
We're only one hundred plus days beyond his leaving office
back on January twentieth at noon, so the trial wouldn't
be very far along. Can you imagine now, taking that
old fart and putting him on the witness stand, or
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having him sitting at the defense table drooling and can't
stay awake and you know, having to take breaks to
go pee or where he has to go. I can't
be in court tomorrow because I've got you know, I've
got some chemo treatment or I've got whatever treatment I'm taking.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Well, just remember what happened. Was it last week with
the interview on the view, Biden? A lot of people
think your brain is turning into mush. Now, when I
first got an office, there was January sixth, and they
left us with a big problem. And yeah, he didn't
even come close to answering the question. Then Jill steps
in and goes.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
No, he's as sharp as he's ever been.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, a jury today would be even more sympathetic. Now,
remember you're not on the jury. So as much as
you think he's a lions sick of poop, which he
probably is, and as much as he probably may deserve
to go to prison, it's not gonna happen because you're
not on the jury. So it's a great question, just
(08:04):
as the question about why didn't her ask him? Why
didn't her ask him? Hey, let's go back to the question,
mister president, because you're fishing you want to find out.
I've done that to witnesses many times. They start rambling,
and I'll let them go on until the rambling just
gets so bad that I know I'm not going to
get anything, so I draw back in. I draw the
(08:26):
fishing line back in by saying the question was when
did you do X? And I'll let them try again,
and if they won't, then I will make a note
in my prep work and I'll make a note to
come back to that question, and I'll go to something
else and then come back. Lawyers do this all the time,
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and it's very very effective, and I think what her
was doing there was very very effective. I wasn't going
to do this, but I think I will just for
giggles and grins, I just want you to hear the
rest of it. I don't normally do this, but I
(09:12):
think here it's it's worth hearing. We were about halfway through,
so I'll back it up just a little bit. We'll
just we'll just go to the halfway mark. Here's the
rest of the interview. I got to get it back
where I wanted good enough, close enough, and the.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Title promised me Dad.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Was a h.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I know they're all close to dogs. But oh, it's.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Like my right arm. And that was my last These
guys were a year and a day afar, and they
can finish.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Each other sentences. And bo I used to go home
on the train.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
And if you're ad that I was still a sentence.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Anyway, just remember.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
There was pressure, not pressure.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Bo I knew how much I knew around.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
And uh and it sounds so that made it sound.
So everybody knew how close you were. I mean there
was not anybody knew. We want to wonder whether or
not anyway.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
And so.
Speaker 7 (10:56):
Then oh, I let me just keep coming and got done.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
And that's where her says, this president, maybe you'd like
to take a break here. No, I just want to
keep going. I want to get it done. I want
to get it done. Now Her knows at this point
he's not getting anything.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
Her knows.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I I don't know this for a fact, but putting
myself in her shoes, I know at this point hers
decided that this is going nowhere. This guy truly is
just reminiscing. All he's doing is reminiscing. Well, you know,
her don must spend all day he listened to the
old fart reminisce, but Biden insists they continue. I'm sorry,
(11:36):
but when I first heard that, I laughed out loud.
The question was where were the documents Mongolia. Now he's
wondered off, he's wandered off from talking about bo to
having been in Mongolia. Oh my god, this is now.
And don't do not forget this. He was the sitting
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president at the time that you are hearing. I know
you're hearing it right now, but the time this audio
was made, he was the commander in chief of the
mightiest nation on this planet. That'll scare the crap out
of you. Great pictures.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I unfortunately embarrassed that the leader of Mongolia as they
were doing what they would do at the time of
the internation of the Mongols in New Europe and fourteen
in the eight hundreds, and it's who are out of
nowhere and they're looking up there and see this tiny
(12:36):
mind some twenty mile horse race from all of these
kids on the age of sixteen hours. Fair vac ration
to come down, and you know there's some wrestlers.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I get a posit for a moment, because again I
want you to have some perspective here. Can you imagine
you're the special prosecutor. You have the sitting president of
the United States of America sitting probably five feet from
you across the table. I don't know exactly what the
setup was. And you ask him, mister President, where were
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those documents that you referred to earlier? Where were they?
And he's wandering off, talking about going to Mongolia and
watching these kids and somehow embarrassing the leader of Mongolia.
And this is all I mean. Can you imagine what
her has to be thinking to himself. Now, I'm sure
there's a thousand thoughts going through his head. There's no
way I can indite this guy. He's probably also thinking,
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I need to go home and pray for the country.
I need to go home and pray that there's somebody
that's got their hands on the steering wheel, because this
guy's got his foot on the accelerator and he's staring
out the window, just kind of wondering, Oh, look, it's
kind of nice out today. This is one of them.
This is again where I say, and I'll take your
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argument any time of day, and I'll beat your ass
with it. This is worse than Watergate.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
And and so they walked over and they had a target,
big bails of hey one hundred yards away, and these
guerrillas were you know, takes.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Now, now we've got gorillas. Now whether those are g
O r I l l A s gorillas, but those
are g U E R I l l A s gorillas.
But we got gorillas out there somewhere.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Shots and I think was in Paris there make a
more handed to bow and arrow. I'm not a bad archerer,
but we only found that word back and pull it back.
So I surely luck I hate the gun in target. No,
I really did bails of hay right, twenty bails of
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hey was U with a big target in the bail
and so I didn't meet any But I turned to
the primer Shandon to hear pure some much.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Couldn't pull back with this memo. Do you wonder if
they're laughing at him? It's nervous laugh and I don't
know who's laughing. Staffers, the other lawyers, the videographer, the stenographer,
who's laughing again. The other reason I'd like to see
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the audio. They've got to be watching this thinking, oh
my god, simultaneous thoughts. This is freaking hilarious, and this
is freaking scarier than the s words.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Was this something that you consciously yes, after your time as.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
President see hers given up her now says, okay, I'm
not going to get you know where they were, So
let me try a different tactic. Are these things that
you kept deliberately? Now notice the terminology. You've got to
prove the man's rea he had he had the state
of mind, because now state of mind is real serious issue.
(16:02):
Based on that six minutes and fifty six seconds of
rambling about kids in a parade Mongolia bo Hunter. You know,
my right arm, my left arm, the book, the title
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah is something that
he wanted to hold on to.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
I want to hang on just proposterity s I mean,
did this was my position on Afghanistan. I I've been
a few mytorical standpoints, that's our certain points in history,
oral history, or fundamental things change, usually technology for example,
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aout Gutenberg's Pretty Depression. You're gonna be a very different place,
literally different because country would not have known what was
happening in other.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Country parts of the country.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
You see. I I wanted to keep these because my
documents were as important to civilization as the inventing of
the Gutenberg printing press.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Wow, you know, I think about a stupid idea notion
makes the probably but I'm president where he used to
television the very sweating I'm used to sail.
Speaker 7 (17:18):
He was sweating so profusely in that debate. A lot
of people thought he wanted the debate, but he lost
the debate because of his demeanor. So there's a lot
of things that I think are fundamentally changing how the
international society's function. And they related a lot to technology,
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and one of the things that I was in the
view that a lot has changed in terms of everything from.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
The Internet to the way in which he there's I
don't know, there's maybe twenty seconds left. Yeah, what were
they cut? You know, the five w's. Who were they?
What were they doing? Why were they doing it? How
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long did they know it? Where was the twenty fifth Amendment?
Who was running the country? These are serious, serious question
This is a worse cover up than Nix and covering
up of two bit burglary at the Watergate complex. This
is serious, all.
Speaker 8 (18:27):
Right, Michael. I'm totally with you on the fact that
it's worse than Watergate. Watergate is almost laughably simple and
childlike compared to some of the stuff that's gone on
in the last twelve years or whatever. We please expound
tell us why it's worse than Watergate?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Thank you. Well, I didn't expect that question, but I
think it's I think it's a worthwhile question. So what
was the essence of Watergate? The breaking in the plumbers
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in conjunction with the Republican National Committee, breaking into the
headquarters of the Democrat National Committee, trying to get some files,
find out strategy what they're doing. So politically it's pretty bad,
but politically it didn't threaten the constitution. I mean, at
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the time they claimed, oh my gosh, this is a
constitution because everything's a constitutional crisis. It was a third
rate burglar done by some men that should have been
better at doing what they were doing, considering their backgrounds,
and they bungled it and they got caught. So you
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have a burglary case. Then you find out that, oh,
there's a connection between these burglars and the Republican National
Committee White House, including the Attorney General and you know,
the Chief of Staff, and you know Dean the Special
Assistant of the President, and so and hr Haldeman, all
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you had all these people that in the in the
in the West wing, and they knew of and they
were doing all of the coordinating of the break in,
So they were engaged in the crime. Now that that
is bad because that goes to the very you know,
our belief that the people that we elect and then
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the people they choose to support them are all honest. Huh.
What a naive little thought we've had, isn't it? That
the people we elect are honest? But what was the
serious crime? In my opinion, the serious crime was Nixon
knowing about the cover up, knowing about the payoff, knowing
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that he had had conversations with Alderman and Dean and
others in the West communtie in the Oval office, and
that Rosemary Woods was aware of the taping system that
had preceded Nixon. Johnson and others had this taping system
to tape the conversations in which you know, fine, I
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really don't have a problem with that. And I'm not
sure about DC, whether it's a one party or two
party state in terms of the legality of taping without
someone else's knowledge. Colorado happens to be a one party
state as long as one party knows that the tapings occur,
then it's legal. So the serious problem, not compared to
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what we have here, was that Nixon knew about it. Now,
whether this is factually true or not, we still don't know,
but that we have eighteen minutes of missing tapes which
Rosemary Woods ostensibly accidentally erased, could or could not have
been at the direction of the of President Nixon, but
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was done to try to conceal the cover up, the
conspiracy that Nixon was involved in, the conspiracy that Nixon
knew of to break in to the DNC. So it's
just political intrigue. The problem is when the president of
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the United States is engaged in a cover up. Had
nothing to do with policy, had nothing to do with
national security, had nothing to do with defense budgets, CIA budgets,
had nothing to do with you know, legislation, legislation pending
before Congress, had nothing to do with tax policy, had
(22:47):
nothing to do with any sort of policy that matters
to you know Americans. It had all to do with
political strategy. But nonetheless, the president was engaged in a crime,
he couldn't be prosecuted for the crime because he was
a sitting president. As we now know based on Supreme Court.
Well we knew then, but the Supreme Court had not
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technically ruled on the different levels of immunity. They've since
done that. So Nixon probably could have been tried post presidency,
but he wasn't, and he wasn't because first he was
sitting president. So he's not going to be he's not
going to be charged while he's sitting president. The Watergate
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hearings blow up. John Dene testifies, We learn about the tapes,
we learned about the cover up, We learn about all
of that, and then they decide, both Republicans and Democrats, yeah,
we should vote to impeaching. Republicans say, wait a minute,
we think we can get him to resign. Let us
see if we can't convince him to resign. As opposed
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to going through all the political holabaloo of an impeachment.
I mean, they were actually concerned more about keeping the
country together, keeping us, you know, from falling further and
further divided by going through an impeachment process. Fast forward
to a few years ago. They didn't give a round
to us about that. We just got to impeach this
guy on anything we can come up with. So go
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back to Watergate. Now will you get to Watergate? They go,
Howard Baker and the others go up to the White House.
Mister President, we have the votes to impeach you. You
need to resign or otherwise you will be impeached, you
will be removed from office, and we believe we have
the evidence to convict you, and you will be forced
from office. Nixon considers it, decides that yes, it's in
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his best interest to avoid all of that and resign.
Gerald Ford moves in from vice from the vice presidency
and makes the decision which probably costs him the election,
to Jimmy Carter and says, it's probably in the best
interest in the country to pardon Nixon and just put
that behind us, because there were no serious national security violations.
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There were no you know, legislative violations, there were no
policy violations. There was nothing that had to do it
was going to endanger the country other than having a
president that had lost the legitimacy of being president, all
based on a burglary. Stupid burglary. So what do we
have here? So that's Watergate, a burglary, and president tries
(25:28):
to cover it up, knowingly, tries to cover up a burglary,
and so he is pushed out of office by his
own party. Here you have a guy that cannot fulfill
the day to day functions of the presidency. He cannot
(25:51):
he cannot even hold a cabinet meeting. Members of the
cabinet have testified they never talked to him once in
four years. They couldn't get through to him to find
out about policy issues about what they should or should
not be doing, So they became rogue secretaries. They just
did what they pleased, no guidance from the White House,
(26:14):
at least no guidance from the President. I shouldn't say
no guidance from the White House, because somebody was obviously saying, hey,
mister secretary of whatever, missus secretary of whatever, we want
you to do this, and they would just go along
with it because they didn't know who's in charge. We
had a president that, in the face of world leaders,
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appeared to be completely out of touch, incapable of performing
his duties. We had our adversaries that knew he was incapable.
In fact, you know, Trump is what Even though I
get tired of Trump talking about it, I've been president.
Putin would not have invaded Ukraine I believe that's true.
(26:59):
I'm just tired of hearing about it, but I do
believe it is true because I think Vladimir Putin had
his eyes on Ukraine long before followed, but because he'd
already got in Crimea during Obama, and Obama drew a
redline and ignored it. So he knew that the Democrats,
Obama in particular Biden being his vice president, were pushovers.
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So Biden surprisingly wins by eleven million votes or whatever
the number was. That we don't seem to be able
to find anywhere in the current election from last year.
Those just disappeared somewhere. So Putin knows that now with
Biden in office, he's free to move into Ukraine. I'm
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honestly surprised, knowing what we know now, because Putin probably
knew how bad it was. He didn't just go for
Poland now. He probably didn't because he wanted to just
kind of do it step by step, because he knew
he got Crimea without any consequences whatsoever. So maybe I
can just get the rest of Ukraine, and sure enough
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he invades. He would never have done that under Trump,
but he knew he could get by with it, and
could have easily led US into World War three. Watergate
would never lead US into World War three. Now, let's
think about Communist China for a moment. Communist China looked
at what was going on here, and they knew that
they had paid him off through his son numerous times.
(28:31):
They knew they could do anything they but you would
have believe it was accidental or on purpose. They send
a Chinese spy balloon over. Now, whether it really got
any intel or not. Nonetheless, if I was Eugeneping, I
would have said, hey, yeah, go float that balloon. Let's
see what happens. What happened nothing. They let it go
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all across military installations until it gets out onto the Atlantic,
and then they blow it up. That tells you everything
that you need to know about the national security state
of this country. The Secretary of Defense gets sick, Well,
was it pangretitis or what did he do? Was it?
(29:13):
Was it his prostator whatever Lloyd Austin had. So he
stays home, he's sick for several weeks. Then he goes
to Walter Reid. He not only does he never tell
the White House that he's going under the knife or
that he's out of Commission because he's so sick for
a while. But nobody in the White House cares because
Biden never talks to Lloyd Austin. Holy crap, the commander
(29:37):
in chiefs never talking to the to the deaf sec
And we just expect if something goes to hell in
a handbasket around the world, that somebody's gonna step up
and be in charge. Good gree Jake Sullivan, the National
Security Advisor, in my humble opinion, was running the entire
national security apparatus. Biden didn't have a clue that put
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this country at risk for four years. We're just lucky
that our adversaries didn't do worse things, and I can
guarantee them. I can't guarantee you this, but I sincerely
believe this that had Biden won a second term, or
had Harris won a first term as president, they would
have gone further. China would have invaded Taiwan. Putin probably
(30:27):
would have pushed even further Trump, I mean, Putin probably
would have enforced conscription, even though that would have caused
him domestic problems. And they probably would have pushed even
further and harder in Ukraine, or maybe done a run
around and gone into Poland, they would be facing World
War three?
Speaker 3 (30:44):
What would they have taken a break on time?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
And No, they wouldn't take a break on time because
Biden wouldn't have a clue when the breaks were, because
Biden was always on a break.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Good morning, Michael, Good morning Dragon. You know, listening to
these her recordings, I kind of wonder, is it possible
that Biden is actually answering in this way on purpose?
The answers to the questions are just so preposterous it
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makes me wonder.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
But then I.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Realize I'm giving him way too much credit because we
all saw what happened in the debate and so many
other times.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, I think you're totally off base.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
You're trying harder than I am.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Right, you're trying even harder than Dragon, because if and
I hope you never experience it, but I've experienced it
within my extended family of elderly I can take in
particularly of an elderly, elderly grandfather and an elderly grandmother
on different sides of the family that reached that stage.
(31:53):
And unfortunately, I'm kind of beginning to see a little
bit of that in my ninety four year old mother
I'm not going to tell you the incident, but we
had an incident over the weekend that just literally scared
me to death because of it shows a sudden, like
a really serious sign of a problem. But there was
(32:19):
two things. One text message about Biden, you know, being
dishonest from the beginning. I agree, And his character is
he has he is not a man of good character.
And you want to know why this is from forty
six eighty two, and why hasn't why hasn't he carte
(32:43):
Blanc been labeled as incompetent He's still not. I'm bothered
by about people saying he's too old. It's a competence
character issue, not age. Actually I disagree with you. It
is all of those things. It is competence, it is
character her and it is age. It's all of them.
(33:03):
And I would just add that perhaps we now know why.
It's whether whether the diagnosis is old or new. David
Axelrod is now saying the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Yeah. I mean, as you mentioned, this comes at a
time where there is so much and continued attention, uh
you know, placed on his mental acuity and stability as
well as ahead of this book release, and you mentioned,
there's been a lot of discussion about it. His medical
(33:44):
condition now has announced medical condition.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Now do you believe.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
That silences or delays a lot of conversations about his
you know, last year and a half of his presidency
for now?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
Yeah, well, I mean I think those conversations are going
to happen, but they should be more muted and set aside, uh,
for now as he's struggling, uh through this. Yeah, it's uh,
I just it is, it is, it is. It shouldn't
(34:22):
be stunning because prostate cancer is so common among men
at his stage in life. Most men, if they live
long enough to deal with prostate cancer. But and it's
great news that they think that it's edgible.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh yeah, So any conversation, according to David Acro, any
conversations now about his mental acuity should be more muted
and maybe just set aside for that. No. No, this
was a huge cover up and I'm sorry, yes, cancer
(34:59):
that were not going to ignore the elephant in the room,
which m mm hmm.
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