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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It would be interesting if the cancer cover up for
Biden turns out to be even worse than the mental
decline cover up for Biden. These people keep digging themselves
deeper and deeper into the hole.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Oh actually, I actually think that the cancer cover up
and the cognitive decline are in a related if not
one and the same, and it is going to prove
to be true.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
So I'm not too worried about the cancer cover up
because I may be stepping in the weeds here a
little bit. And I don't mean to offend anybody, but
prostate cancer diagnosed that late in life, you'll die before
you die from the cancer, before the cancer kills you.
(00:47):
So I don't really see that as hindering his job capabilities,
whereas he doesn't know where he is and he's wandering
around like a lost room.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, you know that that little audio that whenever I'm
like you always interrupt me with this little audio. Would
you play that for me real quickly?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I guarantee you I will be totally transparent in terms
of my health and all aspects of my health.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Now you told me that that's something he said during
the campaign in.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Twenty and even better, I did go back and find
out exactly where it came from an interview with Tapper.
You got to be I wish I were making this
stuff up.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
That is freaking hilarious. Yep. So your point about prostate
cancer is generally speaking correct.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
He could he could do his job with prostate cancer.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
If that's all it was.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And if that was the only issue, you nobody would care.
In fact, I would argue that if he if he
had said during that I know that it has political ramifications,
But if he had said in twenty twenty or twenty nineteen,
whenever he really kind of officially announced that he was running,
if he had said, oh, by the way, you know,
I have prostate cancer, as many of you men out
(02:20):
there do, and I'm getting treatment for it. And it's
you know, it's it's concerning because anytime, you know, just
the C word scares everybody that uh, you know, I
don't think it would have I don't think it would
have changed anything.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Do you think he still would have been elected president?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
If I think he could have still been elected president
with you know, I don't want to start a conspiracy
theories here, but if you if you assume cheating, if
you assume everything stayed the same, and the only additional
factor is that he admitted that, oh, yeah, by the way,
I've been diagnosed with prostate cancer, but it's treatable. And
(03:01):
by the way, here's my oncologist, and here's what my
oncologist says about it. And the oncologists had said every
you know, even maybe done. You know, Biden had waived
a a hippo waiver and said, you can fully dispose
everything about my prostate cancer, including the treatment. You know,
the Gleason score, you know what my PSA scores are. Everything.
(03:25):
I don't think it would have had any impact at all.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You bring it to the forefront and be like, all right,
maybe I need to go get checked kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, he could have made it a public service thing. Yeah,
that's not the issue. The issue is what did these
doctors know and did the doctors miss it? Because that's
truly malpractice. I mean, there's no history of prostate cancer
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anywhere in my family. But I still get my PSA checked,
I still get a digital exactamination, you know, once or
twice a year, and I and actually do for a colonoscoby.
Right now, it's it's no big deal. I mean, I
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don't want don't give me. Don't get me wrong, I
don't I don't want it.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
It's not a pleasant experience.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And actually the digital examination is not necessarily pleasant. But
the kolonoscoy is actually a wonderful nap because you get
the propofolo that Michael Jackson used to sleep all the
time and wake up. Yeah, you wake up a little gassy,
but Hell's bells, you know. We it's really good Mexican
(04:40):
last night. So I'm gassy today, So you know, what's
what's new?
Speaker 7 (04:46):
This?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
The point I want to make with Dragon's point is
which we're leading. I'm leading into there are so many
unanswered questions that depending on the answer to the questions,
this is much more serious than Watergate, the cancer and
(05:10):
the cognitive decline. Now I maintained the cognitive decline was
worse than Watergate, and now you pile on top of
that the diagnosis of prostate cancer, and then have you
ever just stopped and thought about the timing? So the
Tapper books release official releases today. Now, other people, you know, like,
(05:33):
we get books here a lot. I don't get so
many books as I used to basically get tons of
books here all the time, and many people have already
read the book. And I've gone to some of the
people that have read the book and listened to their
podcast where they don't talk about the book, but they
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tell they're teasing it. Now I'm listening to their teases
about what they've heard. And one that I listened to
yesterday while doing show prep, the host talked about, there's
new information, it goes back further than expected. It's likely
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based on what they've read, and then talked to oncologists
about that this existed long before his term of office started,
or the White House physician truly did commit malpractice, or
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Walter reed, which I find absolutely unbelievable, or Walter Reid
committed malpractice, there was a cover up, and the cover
up was done. And now that I know that that
sound bite that Dragon inserts was in an interview with
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Jake Tapper, makes this little joke from John Stewart even
more deliciously ironic and even more hilarious. You know, John
Stewart is is both a physical comedian in addition to
be a verbal commed comedian. And you can see this
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bit at Michael says go here dot com. I would
encourage you to go watch it, not because I'm I'm
not really a John Stewart fan, but this is funny,
and what's the primary element of comedy. It has to
be based on truth. To joke about something that's not funny,
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it's just not necessarily that's that's not going to listen
to belly laugh from anybody. But when you're when you're
listening to a stand up comic or a TV comic
comic like this, and they're talking about things that you
know are true, that are true in your own life,
that's what elicits the belly laughs. That's what makes a
(08:04):
connection between the comedian and the audience. And Stuart doesn't
here our Scott, maybe you clean.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
The point is the American news media were hungry.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
For more, a new Biden bombshell, dropping bombshell allegations of.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Steady drip of new revelations, clean, damaging new details.
Speaker 10 (08:27):
Oh my goodness, they're dripping with the tails on ass
of tsunami, the drip drip on Joe Biden's decline.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
Fox News built the entire Biden Sucks border wall to
hold back the raging drips of details At Bobsheff. Nothing
could slow down this coming feeding news frenzy about Biden's
cognitive health other than maybe a report on his actual
physical health.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Rich was not good. But now we get ourselves. That's
a little problem.
Speaker 9 (09:01):
You've prepared an entire schmortgish Borg smorgigsborg shercutery board.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
There is you know, I'm time, I mean, jeez.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Sorgishborg based on what you thought would be a.
Speaker 9 (09:26):
Relatively uncomplicated story about mental decline. News has the countdown taught.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
They got the book, graphics, they got the CNN Happy
Meal tie in toys, but now doing the story, he's
almost disrespectful. Can CNN thread the needle?
Speaker 9 (09:49):
How do you pivot from excitedly promoting your anchor's book
somberly and respectfully promoting your anchor's book. Was very much
in the news even before the cancer diagnosis.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Was announced on Sunday.
Speaker 11 (10:04):
That's because of a new book by Standon's Jake Tapper.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
This was already going to be a tough week and
just makes it much harder.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
And that is a reference to the fact that our
colleague Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson a book that's set
to publish on Tuesday. This very tough.
Speaker 11 (10:20):
News this very challenging news and at the same time
the backdrop of our college Jake Tapper's book with Alex
Thompson coming out this week.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It's so hard, it's such a.
Speaker 12 (10:37):
Difficult time, so unfathomable in terms of the pain this
family must be feeling. And yet if you act now
and you use the code backslash tap that book.
Speaker 11 (10:57):
You will.
Speaker 12 (11:04):
Obviously, this twenty percent off offer is not a fact
available for some reason in Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But the point.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
Is forgetting about the fact.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
How weird it is that the News is selling you
a book about news they should have told you was
news a year ago.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Fall Free, It's fun.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He's right, He's absolutely right. Now think about the whole
timeline of this, so Biden tells, of all people, this
entirely changes my perspective drugon, this entirely changes.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
It's a little blown away with it too.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So he tells Jake Tapper, sometime.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
In twenty I will be totally transparent in terms of
my health and all aspects of my health.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And then he wins and we during that you think
back on that campaign, always in the basement, you know,
always on the big screen at a drive in theater,
somewhere campaigning for the presidency of the United States from
his basement, from a fake set, a studio set, And
(12:32):
we're already at that point questioning his age and his
mental acuity, not knowing what we know today that then
he may have actually had prostate cancer then.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And remember he had stated that, because there was a
whole lot of a kerfuffle about Trump not being mentally
fits for the presidency.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And this guy has had two brain surgeries for two aneurysms,
He's had skin cancer, he's had problems with his his
he's had orthopedic problems, he's had all sorts of health issues.
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So then he wins, and we instantly see him disappear.
And then we start seeing with our own eyes, hearing
with our own ears, all of this cognitive decline. And
we are told by the very people that are now
selling us the book that, oh, there's nothing here. Now
(13:40):
I I'm not going to play because I had not
intended to play it. But for example, there's the infamous
confrontation between Laura Trump and Jake Tapper where Laura Trump
talks about Joe Biden's cognitive decline and Tapper immediately accuses
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her of mocking and making fun of Joe Biden's stutter.
Now I find that hilarious because I never once that
I can recall and I'm not. You can go check
the tape. I'm not going to do the search, but
if you want to go check the tape. I don't
think I ever once referred to his starting and stopping,
(14:23):
his hesitancy, his herky jerky speaking, wandering around trying to
find uh, well, you know, his fading off into oblivion.
I never once thought about the stutter, never once thought
about the stutter. I never thought the stutter was an issue.
In fact, all through my personal interaction with Joe Biden
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when I was the undersecretary, the stutter never appeared shown.
It was just something that in my mind was not
an issue. He had successfully overcome the stutter, and congratulations
that takes work, and no BFD, not at all. So
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Tapper was at the time that he's keeping notes about
the cognity of decline, is on his network, eviscerating Laura Trump,
trying to tie her to mocking someone with a stutter,
and then comes along we see the decline get worse
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and worse and worse, and then we get to the
debate that last what was it May or June, I
forget which month it was, and he has that debate,
and Trump even makes the comment during the debate, I'm
not sure what he said, but I'm not even sure
he knows what he said, paraphrasing Trump. And that's when
the proverbial feces hit the fan. Now, I would say,
(15:57):
are more specifically, more accurately, that's when the feces publicly
hit the fan, because I think the feces was hitting
the fan long before, even while you and I were
seeing it, probably even long before probably probably the day
is inaugurated based on what's ostensibly in this book. So
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anything that's in this book that's citing people, you know,
names are given. There are references to staffers that are
freely and openly talking about you know, we tried to
do all the things that you and I speculated they
were trying to do. Keep him away from the media,
don't have cabinet meetings, you know, put the staff with
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him when he walks out to Marine one. Everything, and
no one, no one ever thought it got so bad
that we needed to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. And
people now want to say that this, oh Michael, this
is not worse than Watergate. It is absolutely worse than Watergate.
(17:08):
So go back to where we were. Well, we'll do
it after break ordinary Democrats. I could see what the
press was refusing to acknowledge, even though I would maintain
the press also saw what the Democrats saw, but the
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press was refusing to acknowledge it. And that's because when
they had the media fest two years into his presidency.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Martin Michael, Let's get real. The Democrats are going to
get away with this, and the Republicans are never going.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
To do anything.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
But the only thing that we can do is just
bludget them with playing the soundbites over and over and
remind the American people that they lied to us for
the last four years. Winning the twenty twenty sixth election
is the only way that we're going to make them
pay for this.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Interestingly, that's about half of what my solution is, and
it is to bludgeon them. I don't have well I'll
get to that in a minute, but you know how
much confidence I have in Republicans to do anything. So
let's go back to this media fest. We're two years
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into the Biden presidency and some Democrat activists launched a
campaign called Don't Run Joe. The campaign director is a
guy by the name of Norman Solomon. He told Tapper
and I quote it was not rocket science or political
science to know that Biden should not run again. It
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was hidden in playing sight close quote two years, two
years into his presidency. Now understanding how these organizations start
to form, to form as an organism. If this is
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in twenty twenty two, they probably started doing this discussion.
You know, the little whisper campaigns that take place in
the in the little fancy restaurants in downtown d C.
Or they run out to Georgetown, or they might run
out to you know, Alexandria, so they're not you know,
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that publicly visible, and they they might might even drive
all the way to Annapolis and they go to the
ChartHouse that's up against the water and they get a
they get a little you know, a room, or they
get a table over in a corner and twelve of
the meat and they start talking about listen, we we
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put we dragged him across the finish line, but we
can't let him think he could possibly run again. So
who's going to take the lead on this? What are
we going to do? How are we going to approach it?
That may have started as early as twenty and twenty one.
In fact, my guess is it probably started in twenty
twenty one if they had this conference in twenty twenty two,
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so they knew almost instantly when he was elected that
we cannot let him run again. But here is what
you've got to get through your head. It was now.
Remember Solomon told, of all people he could have told,
he told Jake Tapper. It was not rocket science or
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political science to know that Biden should not run again.
It was hidden in plain sight. But the media, the cabal,
still living high on their Watergate legacy, was determined to
not dig deeper. So unlike Watergate, where let's dig and
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dig and dig and what ruden Bernstein you know, published
all of the stories in the Washington Post. Of course,
they did go on to write books too, but they
initially did all of this in what was at the
time still is the paper of record, but was the
primary source for long storytelling because unlike cable news, where
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if you wanted to, you could have an entire one
hour special on something, the networks were loath to do
that because they were too busy selling commercial time on
you know, daytime soap operas. So it took a lot
for the networks to cover the Watergate hearings, which they
did pretty much wall to wall from from from the
moment that Sam Irwin gabbled those hearings to order the
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networks cover them, which was really unusual for that time.
Now with twenty four hour seven, you know, cable channels,
and you got to fill twenty four hours seven, it's
not unusual for a cable channel to run. Now, they
may not run it during prime time, but you know that,
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you know, all these talking heads will have oh you know, hey,
you know, be sure and tune in tomorrow because the
show is going to be devoted to you know, the
price of cabbage or something. Who knows. But here they
made the conscious decision not to dig into the fact.
Wait a minute, we got something called don't Run Joe,
and we've got Democrat operatives that are now actually operating
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a whisper campaign in twenty twenty two, which means it
probably started in twenty twenty one. Just you know what,
the day after the inauguration. Remember you got to keep
the dates straight here, the election was in twenty twenty.
He's inaugurated in January twenty twenty twenty one. I'm arguing
that if you put together an organization that had a
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conference in early twenty twenty two, you had to start
planning for that in twenty twenty one. So was that
in January, February, March, April, when was it? Those stark facts, doubtlessly,
in my mind, amplify the murmur of Watergate revisionism, already
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already discernible on the right. The scandal was used to
be held as proof of the need for a strong
institutional curbs on presidential power and of the crucial role
played by the press in holding power to account on
behalf of you and me, the people. Democracy in this
context comprised of a kind of continual little forum, convene
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via TV or newspapers, mediating between the rulers and the rule.
Revisionist accounts, on the other hand, depict Nixon as unjustly
framed victim of a deep state coup enabled by federal
bureaucrats desperate to stop his effort to reassert presidential power. Now,
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in that kind of telling, Nixon was brought down because
he was using federal impowment as a policy tool to
regain control of the federal bureaucracy, and in particular, that
posed a threat to the power of all the vested
interests of not just the deep state, but all of
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the foreign policy and gos that were doing all of
their USAID, for example, the Department of State, Foggy Bottom's
doing all of this stuff. They had to stop Nixon.
So if he building those arguments, some today would argue
that the rights should not just revisit Watergate, but actually
they think you should view Nixon as the blue print
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for a right wing revolution. And maybe that's exactly what
Trump's doing. And that's why we're so not we but
the cabal is so focused on Trump because he is
reasserting executive authority. He is reasserting that if Congress now,
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we can make all sorts of constitutional arguments about this,
and I'd be willing to do that, but that would
take up the entire week. But if Congress is not
going to do its job, if the Republicans have the majority,
you know, Trump's in fact, what time is it. Trump's
probably up there right now. Trump's making an unusual visit
to Capitol Hill. I think it was supposed to start
at nine Eastern so they've probably been if it started
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on time. They've been meeting for forty two minutes behind
closed doors, no cell phones, no press, no nothing. And
Trump's basically saying, I would guess he's saying this, are
you with me? Are you against me? Kind of like
you know Bush with terrorism, You're you know, into all
the countries. You're either with us or here against us.
I bet Trump's giving the same kind of lecture right
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now as Bush did, because he's reasserting his authority against
the deep state, against his own branch for that matter,
and the and the Republicans controlling the first branch of government,
the executive that let's just say branch, are not doing
a damn thing, nothing at all. So while all that's
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going on in the meanwhile, I would say, he kind
of goes without saying that those for whom democracy requires
sharp curbs on presidential power and an activist press that
would shape the public debate. And that's not very keen.
But however you feel about the prospect, these institutions, in
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particular the press, are on the cusp of their own Watergate.
You know, we have a press that was happy enough
during the seventies to challenge a president that they deemed
to be too powerful, which did not lift a finger
in this era to challenge a president who probably wasn't
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powerful enough, who was in fact a mere senile figure
for who knows what agenda or whose interest or who
was his puppet master. It is a staggering scandal. It's
probably remained relatively muted so far because I don't think
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people in the media really want to think about the
mirror that it holds up to their role in our
public life. So were we on the right correct about
Watergate the entire time? Say, the history or perhaps just
more than shouting well eventually settle that matter. In the meantime,
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lest anybody still laboring under some misapprehension that the result
of this reckoning will be more truth or journalistic integrity,
don't bet on that, because here we are, and we're
facing a real reckoning, and this whole book and everything
is starting to come out now shows that, Wow, it
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is worse than Watergate. Good morning, Michael Dragon.
Speaker 13 (28:33):
Your idea of having Biden be the face of prostate cancer,
prostate cancer awareness, whatever, would.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Have been a great one.
Speaker 13 (28:41):
But I think I even left a talk back back
in twenty twenty one, even the Biden should have been
the face of mental health and you know, decline at
older agents.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
He would have been a great representative for that. I
agree with you, guys. I'm just impressed that we have
a listener. I can remember that he left to talk
back in twenty twenty one about Biden's mental health when
my mental health doesn't remember what I did last hour.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
True.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, so let's hear you've got Now, let's set this up.
This is Joe Biden doing an interview with Jake Tapper.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
It's September twenty twenty, so in.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
September twenty twenty, we still have COVID, right, yes we do.
So is this Can you tell where this interview is
taking place?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
They've got a Ford truck behind them, so I'm sure
it was some kind of electric something that they were
pushing with Ford.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
And uh. It's interesting because they're both sitting in folding.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Chairs about twenty feet apart from each other. And yes,
Biden is holding a mask in one hand.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, let's hear the interview.
Speaker 10 (29:45):
If you're elected, you would be the oldest president ever.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
And I know you've said it's fair for.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
Anybody to ask questions about anybody over seventy and their health. Oh,
the American people have been lied to before or by
presidents about the president's health. FDR jfk Ronald Reagan. We
don't know still what happened with Donald Trump and his
visit to Walter Reed last year. Will you pledge that
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if you're elected, you will be transparent about your health,
all facets of your health.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
We don't even know what happened with Donald Trump and
that visit to Walter Read last year. We still don't
know what happened with Joe Biden and that sudden movement
by the Secret Service in Las Vegas where we had
the Las Vegas Police Department and we have all the
radio transmissions about we're headed to and I forget which
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hospital it was. You know, it's kind of like code
read we're taking potus to you know, X y Z hospital,
Las Vegas Memorial or whatever it was. And then suddenly,
you know, stand down, stand down, stand down. Know they're
heading back to Air Force one and they get when
the Air Force one and screened back to d C.
What happened on that trip? What was that about with urgency?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
So that we know, yes, when it occurs, when anything occurs.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Anything can happen. Anything can happen. That's what I did.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I laid out my health records, more detail, pages and
pages of it. When I became vice president. I laid
it all out, everything, my entire background relating to my health.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
I was hoping you were going to catch it.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I laid out pages and pages and pages of my
health when I was vice.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
President twelve years ago, when I became vice president.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
But now we barely have. We got a two page letter,
the most recent one. A two page letter that we got,
like a one page letter says, hey he's flying. Oh
and by the way, the neurologist, Oh, that's just standard
operating procedure. No it's not, No, it's not.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I laid out my health records in terms of this
time around and the investigations of my health made when
I was in the at Walter Reed, in terms of
by Walter Reed docs. Buy my docs right now, and
thank god, I am in good health. But here's the deal.
Anything can happen. I become a great respector of fate,
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A great respector of fate. I've seen too much of it.
And my family related to accidents alone and so I
guarantee you. I guarantee you I will be totally transparent
in terms of my health and all aspects of my health.
And when it comes to Donald Trump versus me.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Just look at us. Okay, just look at us.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Who seems to be in shape, who's able to move around?
Who's I mean this idea of you know, slow Joe. Anyway,
I shouldn't laugh about it because anyway, Donald Trump, just
look at us. Both watch us and determine whether or
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not you think I'm misleading anymy not you perture.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Personally, but the public.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
You know, look at me, judge me based on I
know what the job takes. I've sat for hundreds of
hours in the situation room for eight years as Vice president,
and every major decision, I know how difficult the job is.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And one more thing I'll do. I'll take responsibility.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I'll acknowledge my mistakes when I make them, and I'll
love it with American people.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Wow,
It would be interesting if the cancer cover up for
Biden turns out to be even worse than the mental
decline cover up for Biden. These people keep digging themselves
deeper and deeper into the hole.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Oh actually, I actually think that the cancer cover up
and the cognitive decline are in a related if not
one and the same, and it is going to prove
to be true.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
So I'm not too worried about the cancer cover up
because I may be stepping in the weeds here a
little bit. And I don't mean to offend anybody, but
prostate cancer diagnosed that late in life, you'll die before
you die from the cancer, before the cancer kills you.
(00:47):
So I don't really see that as hindering his job capabilities,
whereas he doesn't know where he is and he's wandering
around like a lost room.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, you know that that little audio that whenever I'm
like you always interrupt me with this little audio. Would
you play that for me real quickly?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I guarantee you I will be totally transparent in terms
of my health and all aspects of my health.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Now you told me that that's something he said during
the campaign in.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Twenty and even better, I did go back and find
out exactly where it came from an interview with Tapper.
You got to be I wish I were making this
stuff up.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
That is freaking hilarious. Yep. So your point about prostate
cancer is generally speaking correct.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
He could he could do his job with prostate cancer.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
If that's all it was.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And if that was the only issue, you nobody would care.
In fact, I would argue that if he if he
had said during that I know that it has political ramifications,
But if he had said in twenty twenty or twenty nineteen,
whenever he really kind of officially announced that he was running,
if he had said, oh, by the way, you know,
I have prostate cancer, as many of you men out
(02:20):
there do, and I'm getting treatment for it. And it's
you know, it's it's concerning because anytime, you know, just
the C word scares everybody that uh, you know, I
don't think it would have I don't think it would
have changed anything.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Do you think he still would have been elected president?
Speaker 2 (02:40):
If I think he could have still been elected president
with you know, I don't want to start a conspiracy
theories here, but if you if you assume cheating, if
you assume everything stayed the same, and the only additional
factor is that he admitted that, oh, yeah, by the way,
I've been diagnosed with prostate cancer, but it's treatable. And
(03:01):
by the way, here's my oncologist, and here's what my
oncologist says about it. And the oncologists had said every
you know, even maybe done. You know, Biden had waived
a a hippo waiver and said, you can fully dispose
everything about my prostate cancer, including the treatment. You know,
the Gleason score, you know what my PSA scores are. Everything.
(03:25):
I don't think it would have had any impact at all.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You bring it to the forefront and be like, all right,
maybe I need to go get checked kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, he could have made it a public service thing. Yeah,
that's not the issue. The issue is what did these
doctors know and did the doctors miss it? Because that's
truly malpractice. I mean, there's no history of prostate cancer
(03:52):
anywhere in my family. But I still get my PSA checked,
I still get a digital exactamination, you know, once or
twice a year, and I and actually do for a colonoscoby.
Right now, it's it's no big deal. I mean, I
(04:14):
don't want don't give me. Don't get me wrong, I
don't I don't want it.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
It's not a pleasant experience.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
And actually the digital examination is not necessarily pleasant. But
the kolonoscoy is actually a wonderful nap because you get
the propofolo that Michael Jackson used to sleep all the
time and wake up. Yeah, you wake up a little gassy,
but Hell's bells, you know. We it's really good Mexican
(04:40):
last night. So I'm gassy today, So you know, what's
what's new?
Speaker 7 (04:46):
This?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
The point I want to make with Dragon's point is
which we're leading. I'm leading into there are so many
unanswered questions that depending on the answer to the questions,
this is much more serious than Watergate, the cancer and
(05:10):
the cognitive decline. Now I maintained the cognitive decline was
worse than Watergate, and now you pile on top of
that the diagnosis of prostate cancer, and then have you
ever just stopped and thought about the timing? So the
Tapper books release official releases today. Now, other people, you know, like,
(05:33):
we get books here a lot. I don't get so
many books as I used to basically get tons of
books here all the time, and many people have already
read the book. And I've gone to some of the
people that have read the book and listened to their
podcast where they don't talk about the book, but they
(05:54):
tell they're teasing it. Now I'm listening to their teases
about what they've heard. And one that I listened to
yesterday while doing show prep, the host talked about, there's
new information, it goes back further than expected. It's likely
(06:14):
based on what they've read, and then talked to oncologists
about that this existed long before his term of office started,
or the White House physician truly did commit malpractice, or
(06:34):
Walter reed, which I find absolutely unbelievable, or Walter Reid
committed malpractice, there was a cover up, and the cover
up was done. And now that I know that that
sound bite that Dragon inserts was in an interview with
(06:54):
Jake Tapper, makes this little joke from John Stewart even
more deliciously ironic and even more hilarious. You know, John
Stewart is is both a physical comedian in addition to
be a verbal commed comedian. And you can see this
(07:16):
bit at Michael says go here dot com. I would
encourage you to go watch it, not because I'm I'm
not really a John Stewart fan, but this is funny,
and what's the primary element of comedy. It has to
be based on truth. To joke about something that's not funny,
(07:40):
it's just not necessarily that's that's not going to listen
to belly laugh from anybody. But when you're when you're
listening to a stand up comic or a TV comic
comic like this, and they're talking about things that you
know are true, that are true in your own life,
that's what elicits the belly laughs. That's what makes a
(08:04):
connection between the comedian and the audience. And Stuart doesn't
here our Scott, maybe you clean.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
The point is the American news media were hungry.
Speaker 9 (08:18):
For more, a new Biden bombshell, dropping bombshell allegations of.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Steady drip of new revelations, clean, damaging new details.
Speaker 10 (08:27):
Oh my goodness, they're dripping with the tails on ass
of tsunami, the drip drip on Joe Biden's decline.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
Fox News built the entire Biden Sucks border wall to
hold back the raging drips of details At Bobsheff. Nothing
could slow down this coming feeding news frenzy about Biden's
cognitive health other than maybe a report on his actual
physical health.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Rich was not good. But now we get ourselves. That's
a little problem.
Speaker 9 (09:01):
You've prepared an entire schmortgish Borg smorgigsborg shercutery board.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
There is you know, I'm time, I mean, jeez.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Sorgishborg based on what you thought would be a.
Speaker 9 (09:26):
Relatively uncomplicated story about mental decline. News has the countdown taught.
Speaker 8 (09:32):
They got the book, graphics, they got the CNN Happy
Meal tie in toys, but now doing the story, he's
almost disrespectful. Can CNN thread the needle?
Speaker 9 (09:49):
How do you pivot from excitedly promoting your anchor's book
somberly and respectfully promoting your anchor's book. Was very much
in the news even before the cancer diagnosis.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Was announced on Sunday.
Speaker 11 (10:04):
That's because of a new book by Standon's Jake Tapper.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
This was already going to be a tough week and
just makes it much harder.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
And that is a reference to the fact that our
colleague Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson a book that's set
to publish on Tuesday. This very tough.
Speaker 11 (10:20):
News this very challenging news and at the same time
the backdrop of our college Jake Tapper's book with Alex
Thompson coming out this week.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It's so hard, it's such a.
Speaker 12 (10:37):
Difficult time, so unfathomable in terms of the pain this
family must be feeling. And yet if you act now
and you use the code backslash tap that book.
Speaker 11 (10:57):
You will.
Speaker 12 (11:04):
Obviously, this twenty percent off offer is not a fact
available for some reason in Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
But the point.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
Is forgetting about the fact.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
How weird it is that the News is selling you
a book about news they should have told you was
news a year ago.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
Fall Free, It's fun.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
He's right, He's absolutely right. Now think about the whole
timeline of this, so Biden tells, of all people, this
entirely changes my perspective drugon, this entirely changes.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
It's a little blown away with it too.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
So he tells Jake Tapper, sometime.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
In twenty I will be totally transparent in terms of
my health and all aspects of my health.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
And then he wins and we during that you think
back on that campaign, always in the basement, you know,
always on the big screen at a drive in theater,
somewhere campaigning for the presidency of the United States from
his basement, from a fake set, a studio set, And
(12:32):
we're already at that point questioning his age and his
mental acuity, not knowing what we know today that then
he may have actually had prostate cancer then.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
And remember he had stated that, because there was a
whole lot of a kerfuffle about Trump not being mentally
fits for the presidency.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And this guy has had two brain surgeries for two aneurysms,
He's had skin cancer, he's had problems with his his
he's had orthopedic problems, he's had all sorts of health issues.
(13:18):
So then he wins, and we instantly see him disappear.
And then we start seeing with our own eyes, hearing
with our own ears, all of this cognitive decline. And
we are told by the very people that are now
selling us the book that, oh, there's nothing here. Now
(13:40):
I I'm not going to play because I had not
intended to play it. But for example, there's the infamous
confrontation between Laura Trump and Jake Tapper where Laura Trump
talks about Joe Biden's cognitive decline and Tapper immediately accuses
(14:00):
her of mocking and making fun of Joe Biden's stutter.
Now I find that hilarious because I never once that
I can recall and I'm not. You can go check
the tape. I'm not going to do the search, but
if you want to go check the tape. I don't
think I ever once referred to his starting and stopping,
(14:23):
his hesitancy, his herky jerky speaking, wandering around trying to
find uh, well, you know, his fading off into oblivion.
I never once thought about the stutter, never once thought
about the stutter. I never thought the stutter was an issue.
In fact, all through my personal interaction with Joe Biden
(14:47):
when I was the undersecretary, the stutter never appeared shown.
It was just something that in my mind was not
an issue. He had successfully overcome the stutter, and congratulations
that takes work, and no BFD, not at all. So
(15:08):
Tapper was at the time that he's keeping notes about
the cognity of decline, is on his network, eviscerating Laura Trump,
trying to tie her to mocking someone with a stutter,
and then comes along we see the decline get worse
(15:32):
and worse and worse, and then we get to the
debate that last what was it May or June, I
forget which month it was, and he has that debate,
and Trump even makes the comment during the debate, I'm
not sure what he said, but I'm not even sure
he knows what he said, paraphrasing Trump. And that's when
the proverbial feces hit the fan. Now, I would say,
(15:57):
are more specifically, more accurately, that's when the feces publicly
hit the fan, because I think the feces was hitting
the fan long before, even while you and I were
seeing it, probably even long before probably probably the day
is inaugurated based on what's ostensibly in this book. So
(16:21):
anything that's in this book that's citing people, you know,
names are given. There are references to staffers that are
freely and openly talking about you know, we tried to
do all the things that you and I speculated they
were trying to do. Keep him away from the media,
don't have cabinet meetings, you know, put the staff with
(16:43):
him when he walks out to Marine one. Everything, and
no one, no one ever thought it got so bad
that we needed to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. And
people now want to say that this, oh Michael, this
is not worse than Watergate. It is absolutely worse than Watergate.
(17:08):
So go back to where we were. Well, we'll do
it after break ordinary Democrats. I could see what the
press was refusing to acknowledge, even though I would maintain
the press also saw what the Democrats saw, but the
(17:28):
press was refusing to acknowledge it. And that's because when
they had the media fest two years into his presidency.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Martin Michael, Let's get real. The Democrats are going to
get away with this, and the Republicans are never going.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
To do anything.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
But the only thing that we can do is just
bludget them with playing the soundbites over and over and
remind the American people that they lied to us for
the last four years. Winning the twenty twenty sixth election
is the only way that we're going to make them
pay for this.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Interestingly, that's about half of what my solution is, and
it is to bludgeon them. I don't have well I'll
get to that in a minute, but you know how
much confidence I have in Republicans to do anything. So
let's go back to this media fest. We're two years
(18:23):
into the Biden presidency and some Democrat activists launched a
campaign called Don't Run Joe. The campaign director is a
guy by the name of Norman Solomon. He told Tapper
and I quote it was not rocket science or political
science to know that Biden should not run again. It
(18:46):
was hidden in playing sight close quote two years, two
years into his presidency. Now understanding how these organizations start
to form, to form as an organism. If this is
(19:07):
in twenty twenty two, they probably started doing this discussion.
You know, the little whisper campaigns that take place in
the in the little fancy restaurants in downtown d C.
Or they run out to Georgetown, or they might run
out to you know, Alexandria, so they're not you know,
(19:28):
that publicly visible, and they they might might even drive
all the way to Annapolis and they go to the
ChartHouse that's up against the water and they get a
they get a little you know, a room, or they
get a table over in a corner and twelve of
the meat and they start talking about listen, we we
(19:51):
put we dragged him across the finish line, but we
can't let him think he could possibly run again. So
who's going to take the lead on this? What are
we going to do? How are we going to approach it?
That may have started as early as twenty and twenty one.
In fact, my guess is it probably started in twenty
twenty one if they had this conference in twenty twenty two,
(20:16):
so they knew almost instantly when he was elected that
we cannot let him run again. But here is what
you've got to get through your head. It was now.
Remember Solomon told, of all people he could have told,
he told Jake Tapper. It was not rocket science or
(20:39):
political science to know that Biden should not run again.
It was hidden in plain sight. But the media, the cabal,
still living high on their Watergate legacy, was determined to
not dig deeper. So unlike Watergate, where let's dig and
(21:06):
dig and dig and what ruden Bernstein you know, published
all of the stories in the Washington Post. Of course,
they did go on to write books too, but they
initially did all of this in what was at the
time still is the paper of record, but was the
primary source for long storytelling because unlike cable news, where
(21:31):
if you wanted to, you could have an entire one
hour special on something, the networks were loath to do
that because they were too busy selling commercial time on
you know, daytime soap operas. So it took a lot
for the networks to cover the Watergate hearings, which they
did pretty much wall to wall from from from the
moment that Sam Irwin gabbled those hearings to order the
(21:55):
networks cover them, which was really unusual for that time.
Now with twenty four hour seven, you know, cable channels,
and you got to fill twenty four hours seven, it's
not unusual for a cable channel to run. Now, they
may not run it during prime time, but you know that,
(22:16):
you know, all these talking heads will have oh you know, hey,
you know, be sure and tune in tomorrow because the
show is going to be devoted to you know, the
price of cabbage or something. Who knows. But here they
made the conscious decision not to dig into the fact.
Wait a minute, we got something called don't Run Joe,
and we've got Democrat operatives that are now actually operating
(22:39):
a whisper campaign in twenty twenty two, which means it
probably started in twenty twenty one. Just you know what,
the day after the inauguration. Remember you got to keep
the dates straight here, the election was in twenty twenty.
He's inaugurated in January twenty twenty twenty one. I'm arguing
that if you put together an organization that had a
(23:02):
conference in early twenty twenty two, you had to start
planning for that in twenty twenty one. So was that
in January, February, March, April, when was it? Those stark facts, doubtlessly,
in my mind, amplify the murmur of Watergate revisionism, already
(23:25):
already discernible on the right. The scandal was used to
be held as proof of the need for a strong
institutional curbs on presidential power and of the crucial role
played by the press in holding power to account on
behalf of you and me, the people. Democracy in this
context comprised of a kind of continual little forum, convene
(23:52):
via TV or newspapers, mediating between the rulers and the rule.
Revisionist accounts, on the other hand, depict Nixon as unjustly
framed victim of a deep state coup enabled by federal
bureaucrats desperate to stop his effort to reassert presidential power. Now,
(24:17):
in that kind of telling, Nixon was brought down because
he was using federal impowment as a policy tool to
regain control of the federal bureaucracy, and in particular, that
posed a threat to the power of all the vested
interests of not just the deep state, but all of
(24:38):
the foreign policy and gos that were doing all of
their USAID, for example, the Department of State, Foggy Bottom's
doing all of this stuff. They had to stop Nixon.
So if he building those arguments, some today would argue
that the rights should not just revisit Watergate, but actually
they think you should view Nixon as the blue print
(25:00):
for a right wing revolution. And maybe that's exactly what
Trump's doing. And that's why we're so not we but
the cabal is so focused on Trump because he is
reasserting executive authority. He is reasserting that if Congress now,
(25:27):
we can make all sorts of constitutional arguments about this,
and I'd be willing to do that, but that would
take up the entire week. But if Congress is not
going to do its job, if the Republicans have the majority,
you know, Trump's in fact, what time is it. Trump's
probably up there right now. Trump's making an unusual visit
to Capitol Hill. I think it was supposed to start
at nine Eastern so they've probably been if it started
(25:50):
on time. They've been meeting for forty two minutes behind
closed doors, no cell phones, no press, no nothing. And
Trump's basically saying, I would guess he's saying this, are
you with me? Are you against me? Kind of like
you know Bush with terrorism, You're you know, into all
the countries. You're either with us or here against us.
I bet Trump's giving the same kind of lecture right
(26:12):
now as Bush did, because he's reasserting his authority against
the deep state, against his own branch for that matter,
and the and the Republicans controlling the first branch of government,
the executive that let's just say branch, are not doing
a damn thing, nothing at all. So while all that's
(26:37):
going on in the meanwhile, I would say, he kind
of goes without saying that those for whom democracy requires
sharp curbs on presidential power and an activist press that
would shape the public debate. And that's not very keen.
But however you feel about the prospect, these institutions, in
(27:01):
particular the press, are on the cusp of their own Watergate.
You know, we have a press that was happy enough
during the seventies to challenge a president that they deemed
to be too powerful, which did not lift a finger
in this era to challenge a president who probably wasn't
(27:22):
powerful enough, who was in fact a mere senile figure
for who knows what agenda or whose interest or who
was his puppet master. It is a staggering scandal. It's
probably remained relatively muted so far because I don't think
(27:46):
people in the media really want to think about the
mirror that it holds up to their role in our
public life. So were we on the right correct about
Watergate the entire time? Say, the history or perhaps just
more than shouting well eventually settle that matter. In the meantime,
(28:06):
lest anybody still laboring under some misapprehension that the result
of this reckoning will be more truth or journalistic integrity,
don't bet on that, because here we are, and we're
facing a real reckoning, and this whole book and everything
is starting to come out now shows that, Wow, it
(28:31):
is worse than Watergate. Good morning, Michael Dragon.
Speaker 13 (28:33):
Your idea of having Biden be the face of prostate cancer,
prostate cancer awareness, whatever, would.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Have been a great one.
Speaker 13 (28:41):
But I think I even left a talk back back
in twenty twenty one, even the Biden should have been
the face of mental health and you know, decline at
older agents.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
He would have been a great representative for that. I
agree with you, guys. I'm just impressed that we have
a listener. I can remember that he left to talk
back in twenty twenty one about Biden's mental health when
my mental health doesn't remember what I did last hour.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
True.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, so let's hear you've got Now, let's set this up.
This is Joe Biden doing an interview with Jake Tapper.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
It's September twenty twenty, so in.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
September twenty twenty, we still have COVID, right, yes we do.
So is this Can you tell where this interview is
taking place?
Speaker 3 (29:28):
They've got a Ford truck behind them, so I'm sure
it was some kind of electric something that they were
pushing with Ford.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
And uh. It's interesting because they're both sitting in folding.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Chairs about twenty feet apart from each other. And yes,
Biden is holding a mask in one hand.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, let's hear the interview.
Speaker 10 (29:45):
If you're elected, you would be the oldest president ever.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
And I know you've said it's fair for.
Speaker 10 (29:52):
Anybody to ask questions about anybody over seventy and their health. Oh,
the American people have been lied to before or by
presidents about the president's health. FDR jfk Ronald Reagan. We
don't know still what happened with Donald Trump and his
visit to Walter Reed last year. Will you pledge that
(30:16):
if you're elected, you will be transparent about your health,
all facets of your health.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
We don't even know what happened with Donald Trump and
that visit to Walter Read last year. We still don't
know what happened with Joe Biden and that sudden movement
by the Secret Service in Las Vegas where we had
the Las Vegas Police Department and we have all the
radio transmissions about we're headed to and I forget which
(30:44):
hospital it was. You know, it's kind of like code
read we're taking potus to you know, X y Z hospital,
Las Vegas Memorial or whatever it was. And then suddenly,
you know, stand down, stand down, stand down. Know they're
heading back to Air Force one and they get when
the Air Force one and screened back to d C.
What happened on that trip? What was that about with urgency?
Speaker 4 (31:07):
So that we know, yes, when it occurs, when anything occurs.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Anything can happen. Anything can happen. That's what I did.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I laid out my health records, more detail, pages and
pages of it. When I became vice president. I laid
it all out, everything, my entire background relating to my health.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
I was hoping you were going to catch it.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I laid out pages and pages and pages of my
health when I was vice.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
President twelve years ago, when I became vice president.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
But now we barely have. We got a two page letter,
the most recent one. A two page letter that we got,
like a one page letter says, hey he's flying. Oh
and by the way, the neurologist, Oh, that's just standard
operating procedure. No it's not, No, it's not.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I laid out my health records in terms of this
time around and the investigations of my health made when
I was in the at Walter Reed, in terms of
by Walter Reed docs. Buy my docs right now, and
thank god, I am in good health. But here's the deal.
Anything can happen. I become a great respector of fate,
(32:15):
A great respector of fate. I've seen too much of it.
And my family related to accidents alone and so I
guarantee you. I guarantee you I will be totally transparent
in terms of my health and all aspects of my health.
And when it comes to Donald Trump versus me.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Just look at us. Okay, just look at us.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Who seems to be in shape, who's able to move around?
Who's I mean this idea of you know, slow Joe. Anyway,
I shouldn't laugh about it because anyway, Donald Trump, just
look at us. Both watch us and determine whether or
(32:56):
not you think I'm misleading anymy not you perture.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Personally, but the public.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
You know, look at me, judge me based on I
know what the job takes. I've sat for hundreds of
hours in the situation room for eight years as Vice president,
and every major decision, I know how difficult the job is.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And one more thing I'll do. I'll take responsibility.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
I'll acknowledge my mistakes when I make them, and I'll
love it with American people.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
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