Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brian.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Jimmy Connors was competitive in the regular men's Tour into
his late thirties. He was incredibly competitive that way, like
no one else probably in history. He was so fierce
minded that he said some things that were pretty awful,
you might say. He once said to him an umpire
that he was very, very mad at you are an abortion?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Do you think of that?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I remember that. It was like I said, I kind
of dug Jimmy Connors. I like that ferocity, that fire,
and I remember when he said that. And of course
one of John McEnroe's famous sayings was you cannot be
serious about a call that was missed. This is before
eagle eye and the replay system that's in place. Kelly's
(00:49):
old enough to appreciate both the names I just mentioned,
and as a big fan of tennis, she's watching almost
every time I'm in there. It doesn't even have to
be one of the major tournaments of the Grand Slam.
So back in the day, ke who did you prefer?
And why Jimmy Connors or John McEnroe.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Jimmy Connor and why?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
It was just.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
He was a good guy and they were both hot
heads and kindles.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
But I cannot. I cannot.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Oh, one of my favorite parts of tennis was when
John McEnroe just went ape crap on the Orange juice
at Wimbledon.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
If you remember that. Yeah, he basically.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Just took his tennis racket and beat the crap at
this whole tennis Uh, this whole beautiful setup of of
you know, it's very proper, It was very proper, and
he just beat the crap.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Out of it.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
A story that I always liked to share, or I
think you're aware of this.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Kelly.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
The late great dick Enberg was a graduate of the
same college that I went to, Central Michigan University, and
one day, this was in the mid nineties, a select
group of college students got to meet with dick Enberg.
Great guy could not have been more generous with this time.
Took our questions and I asked him what it was
like working with John McEnroe, and he tells this story.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Here's dick Enberg, who's totally old school, and he's the
best there ever was in my view. Asolutely, we missed
him dearly because I know you hate Chris Fowler. Now
as much as you hated Chris Fowler, you love dick Enberg,
because what Edberg was able to do he would tell
stories and he was so well informed, and he set
the scene and he was so good at this. And
(02:47):
he showed us the index cards that he used in
real time, so he got all the index cards.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
They're all arranged in a particular order.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
He's ready to go and he's describing where they're set
up for Wimbledon. We're talking like eighties and nineties now,
small little wooden box. Kelly knows what I'm talking about. Yes,
And they're about to go live to air on NBC
for Breakfast at Wimbledon. John McEnroe, who is now his
fellow commentator, is nowhere to be found. No, it's Edinburg,
just sitting there by himself, thinking I might have to
(03:14):
go live without macnroe, and it's you know, he's supposed
to come in. We're doing this whole thing and got
it all set up and I'm really.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Got a minute out.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh you know this story? Yeah, actual, I told it
to you. Because I've told it to you. The listeners
haven't heard it though, Yeah I knew it.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
It's don like a minute before air, producer ready and
again they're in this confined space in stumbles John McEnroe
with like an egg salad sandwich. He's got it like
coming off the side of his mouth, still chewing, still chewing,
like five four three one, you know, And by the
time Edberg does his whole prologue introduction, you knew how
(03:50):
beautiful it was, the montage, the video, the music behind it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Da da da da.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
He turns the mac and row macro without missing a beat,
swallows the egg salad sandwich, microphone a hand well dick
down out on a he goes right into it, doesn't
miss a beat.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
That could have been an age other that could have
been that match.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It might have been this would have had they would
have been quite young at this time though, This would
have been, like I said.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Like ninety six, about ninety six. And it just was.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Remarkable to Enburg because he said, you know, as much
as I was worried in that moment, I have to
be meticulously prepared, he said, otherwise I feel naked going
on air live and.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I gotta know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But Johnny Mack could come right in, yes, and just
hit the ground running, egg salad, sandwich and all.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
And he's very good as a commentator.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
I love Johnny Matt Jimmy Connor's was so good on
the court. I mean, if you remember that eighty seven
US Open, oh ninety three.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Is when he was like thirty nine and came and
made the semi finals. I thought it was it was later.
It was later, And that's what that's to the talkbacker's point. Yeah,
the Connors was competitive.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
He had some injuries late, like a hamstring bothering him.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
He came back and he basically I remember watching that
match from my bedroom and being like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
All of America is rooting for him, everybody. Yeah, and he.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Did the point like to every corner of the stadium
at the US Open, just.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Like when Pete Sampers puked. It's just like that at
the US Open.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
He puked.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
I remember that literally because he was drinking a coke
and that's stupid.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
You don't drink a coke, you know when you're Michael.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Brown does it all the time on his version is dying.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
No, no, no, and not humidity.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Oh yeah, But I don't think Michael's running around a
tennis court.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'd like to see it, yeah, would be that would
be awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Did you see Michael Brown playing pickaball, oh dog house.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
I don't see him doing any That doesn't mean he's
Cardio already.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
He walks.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
He I like that label on him now. That dragon
just put in my head, Michael Brown. Not Cardi already,
Cardio already.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, Well is the President of the United States. Guardio already.
He's in great shape. We heard.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
So there are a couple of things that I want
you to take away from this experience if you're willing
to go forward with my program, Ryan Schuling Lie, which
you can hear a week days from two to four
pm in the Mountain time zone, and of course subscribe,
download listen in the podcast version.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But I just got confirmation. I got good news and
bad news.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Scott Jennings will be appearing with me, but it will
be on tomorrow's program in the afternoon on my show,
so apologies for that, but you can tune in and
geez find him on my program. He'll be right off
the top of the show on Thursday, on Thursday. On Thursday,
I'm losing track of the days because of the holiday,
but it'll be Thursday two oh six, right into it
(06:57):
with Scott Jennings.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Really looking forward to that conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
How bad do you suck that you can't get him on?
Michael Brown?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
What is this? You don't come on, you don't look
them out? Totally warning you got him on your show,
your show just too much. That's just unwarrant anything off
on the morning show. You have your own show. You
have to do. I do wow, Kelly, I know that's
the way she is, Folks. This is what I deal
with every single day. You can tex me bad about
(07:25):
the Kelly Batman.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Oh shut up, I am fine, fine, I am vie.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You dontally sound fun.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I just do a little bit, a little bit. I'm just.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I want to swear bad. Swear to me thirty three
one oh three year take on Kelly's voice. The other take.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Here's a segue that you can find on my program
is the Regular Installments. Is one of Kelly's favorite hot
takes from President Trump and how he interacts with the
fake news media.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
This is particularly good. Now.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Some of the greatest stuff we get from President Trump
is when he's on the White House lawn about to
air Marine one and he comes time to talk to
fake news.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
What do you got? And he just doesn't hold back anymore.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
As much as he didn't hold back in the first
term as president, he is giving even fewer fs Now.
People wonder why Trump won, Folks, that's a big reason
why Trump won. We're so sick of the media and
just the lousy scoundrels.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
They are, the fake news that they are.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I mean, just look at the cover up of the
Biden cognitive decline and the excuse factory that's coming out
from the left.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We were just we were lied to by the Biden
White House. What were we to do? Just this is
what you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Take that scenario and instead of Joe Biden, insert Donald Trump.
And do you believe for one millisecond that the media
that covers Donald Trump with such scrutiny with such fervor
as the adversarial media they themselves on being. Would they
just take the word of Caroline Lovett or other sources
in the White House.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's a no. Donald Trump's perfectly fine when.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
There were obvious signs of decline like we saw with
Joe Biden, like that egregious and just chalk it up.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
To well, you know, have they told us he was fine?
Speaker 8 (09:17):
I guarantee you I will be totally transparent in terms
of my health and all aspects of my health.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
M yeah, okay, yeah, not so much, not so much.
Allison Cameron do you remember her? She used to be
on Fox News and I think she's now a former
seeing an anchor. I think she got booted. But this
is just absolutely it defies logic. Here's her excuse as
to why the media did not cover with great scrutiny
(09:46):
Biden's cognitive mess that was on display for all the
public to see.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But this was different.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, my point is that it seemed to be a
continuation or a downslide, okay, or a decline.
Speaker 9 (09:59):
At no point do you think this is a man
showing clear signs of cognitive decline during the.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Debate, Not until that, Oh well, I mean cognitive decline?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
What yes, man who was clearly losing it in real time.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Well, let me just say this.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I thought that it was the normal decline of age.
I didn't think it was a crisis. I didn't think
that he wasn't capable of making decisions. But when I
saw the debate, it seemed like it was in a
different category. The debate was in a different category than
what I watched every day for two and a half
so you have.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So his decision making, let's say, on the withdrawal from Afghanistan,
that didn't raise any red flags for Alison Cameroda, she's
just indicting herself. She's telling on herself. But this is
absolutely a calamity of the responsibility of the media that
they shirk it and they continue to make excuses for
I just.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Thought it was a natural continuation of his age.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
It was aoka until everybody else saw how bad he was.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Then I knew it was a bad Well.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
We also used to do a feature on this program
way back in the day that I started. And again
the timing of when I started this tells you something.
I was the producer in Dragon's Shoes and in that
seat for the situation Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
That aired two to four PM.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And we're going back to the election of twenty twenty,
the election year of twenty twenty, about five years ago.
I started this bit called Moments of Biden, meaning it
was like a senior cognitive moment five years ago. And
here's some highlights from the twenty twenty three State of
the Union address. And you tell me if he sounds
like a guy, that's all there. Correct, got knocked off
(11:35):
his game, a little stifled there.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
This goes his way.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Hang on, I gotta stop at it. This is where
I gotta kind of defend him there. Lincoln Riley is
an unusual name. Lincoln is not, so I gotta defend
him on that part.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Okay, if it were an isolated incident, Dragon, I would
be with you.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
But I just have to defend it. It is an
unusual name.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
There is a mosaic of these examples for Joe Biden,
and this is in sharp contrast. Anybody like Alison Camrooda
or Alex Thompson from Axios, or Jake Tapper from Sienna.
They knew, they knew in real time that this was
a diminished version of Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
This wasn't the best Biden ever. And if you don't
believe me, f you, that would be.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Joe Scarborough who said that on Morning Joe making an
absolute fool of himself. But what I'll point to when
I've done so many times, there is plenty of anecdotal
evidence that while a mediocre intellect, Joe Biden had his
wits about him, making very sophomoric points. But he didn't stutter,
he didn't stumble. He didn't search for dates, names, figures.
He didn't name dead women in the audience, like with
(12:43):
Jackie Willarski.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You remember this.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
I want to thank all of you here for including
bipartisan elect officials like Representative Governor, Senator Braun, Senator Booker,
Representative Jackie.
Speaker 10 (12:55):
Are you here?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Where's Jackie?
Speaker 8 (12:57):
I don't think she want she want to be here.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
She's going to be there if she was alive, but
she died in a car accident before this. Joe, my goodness, again,
not a solitary example. Now here's Joe Biden nineteen ninety
one Senate Judiciary Committee. He was the chair of it
in the confirmation hearings for Clarence Thomas.
Speaker 11 (13:20):
Good morning, judge, welcome to the blinding lights. Finding out
what you mean when you say that you would apply
the natural law philosophy to the Constitution is, in my view,
the single most important task of this committee.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Senator Biden was very focused on natural law. How did
that go? Who knows? And I have no idea what
he was talking about.
Speaker 11 (13:45):
I just want to make sure we all know what
we're talking about here, That you and I know at
least what we're talking about here.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
There's a fervent and aggressive school of thought.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
That wishes to see natural law further in form the
Constitution than it does now, argued against by the positivist
led by Judge Burg.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Now again, that may be.
Speaker 11 (14:08):
Lost on all the people. You know, and I know
what we're talking.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
About, you know, and I know now again Biden was
making mundane points there. Clarence Thomas had no idea what
he was talking about, but Joe Biden thought he did,
and he was saying it with clarity, with punctuation, with
a pace that is entirely different than what we were
presented with over the four years of his term as president,
clear and stark differences and cognitive capacity.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Anyone who didn't notice was either not paying attention or
they were in on the cover up. Plain and simple,
I'm bet girl, Go call me Gilly. I'm bet girl.
Get it right. Producer by day, fighting grim at night. Yes,
very much so. The Christian Belle voice.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
You guys, rich kiss that.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
All right?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Hold on, I got some sound, introduce our next segment
and the Kelly Kuchera voice.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Here we go, Good evening.
Speaker 12 (15:12):
Shannon Atcock, founder of Awake Illinois, a social welfare advocacy organization.
My hat thanks to xx x Y athletics displays xx
and x y female and male chromosomes. Xx cannot become
x Y and vice versa. There is no transformation. There
is no trans for this district to claim otherwise is
(15:33):
a lie. A lie so egregious you might as well
scrap all biology classes. Recently, parents and District two three
sought Awake Illinoi's help after the Naper Prairie track meet,
where a male competed on the girls team, winning multiple events.
Parents demanded answers, but the district vaguely cited the Illinois
Human Rights Act and guidance. That act covers bullying harassment,
(15:55):
not letting boys invade girls bathrooms, locker rooms, or sports teams.
This district's secret policy, enacted without Board approval, spits in
the face of the Open Meetings Act. Most parents in
District two of three and two or four had no
clue their daughters would be competing alongside biological males. The
Illinois Human Rights Act doesn't specify this allowance, and the
(16:17):
State Board's guidance is not law. It's a suggestion, and
a bad one.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
She is the founder of a Wake Illinois that was
her testimony before the Naperfield Public School Board. She had
and Adcock our guest here, Shannon, thank you so much
for your time.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 12 (16:33):
Sure good to be here.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Now, I think you and I are the same age.
I don't want to presume, but I believe that's true.
And I was just thinking back earlier my experience running
cross country. Now it's thirty three years ago, So going
back to nineteen ninety two, and I was running side
by side with the best girls cross country runner and
invitational in Michigan, and then I outsprinted her down the stretch,
(16:56):
defeated her, but she won the whole thing for the girls.
That was my personal experience. But little did I know, Shannon,
that thirty three years later, you would have to explain
in those explicit terms what x X versus x Y meant,
and that I would have to go into that subject
like I just did on the radio.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
How did we get here?
Speaker 11 (17:16):
Right?
Speaker 12 (17:16):
Well, I'm forty five, so I'm a gen xer, proud
gen xer. The nineties were great. They were a golden age.
And yes, we understood biological truth, We appreciated female empowerment
and competitive sports for girls. You know, I think there
was just a very strong message of that in the nineties,
and we have lost our way, largely because leftist progressivism
(17:37):
has been allowed to run amok and it has no
limiting principles. There is no ceiling to how far this
will go. And so of course you have in our
wealthy community of Naperville. I often joke, the wealthier, the wokier,
it's really cool to have luxury beliefs until until your
daughter is left crying on the track field because your
woke principles are now invading her opportunities for an equal
(17:58):
opportunity competition. So this is how we've arrived to this point.
Decades of no limiting principles of leftist progressivism and we're
done with it.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, wellcher, I like that word. I'm going to add
it to my own lexicon. Shannon Adcock, our guests, you know,
it's the same. And I hate to go by stereotypes,
but they're stereotypes for a reason, because they're true. These
are the people in the wealthy suburbs that have the
in this house signs on their front lawns, and this
all goes in along with that, and unfortunately, at this
very public school hearing you spoke. But then so did
(18:29):
this mother who had students in the school district about
where this seventh grade trans athlete won medals several in
a girl's track and field event. Here's what she had
to say, countering your testimony.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
And I'm a parent of two district two or three students,
one at Lincoln and one at Central. Today I speak
to you in support of transgendered students and transgendered student athletes.
I am proud to live in a state that protects
a student's right to participate in sports that align their
gender identity. I thank you for supporting and following this law.
(19:06):
Other parties will tell you that they believe this is
a disservice to our cisgendered students and especially our female athletes.
As the parent of two students in the district, and
as a woman, I reject the notion that allowing transgendered
athletes to participate in sports is detrimental to our students.
Losing a race is disappointing. It is okay for our
(19:30):
students to experience disappointment. We cannot protect our children from
all the disappointments in life, but we can encourage them
to develop resilience. This growth mindset will benefit them in
numerous situations.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I have so many questions coming out of this, but
I would like you to address that she First of all,
how does his mother know that she's a woman?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What is a woman?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Because she answered that question and then my other question,
and then again take off on this how you will?
Why then, are trans individual student athletes from this era
of disappointment and learning how to lose?
Speaker 10 (20:04):
Right?
Speaker 12 (20:04):
Well, she's a typical neo Marxist progressive. I would argue
she's a misogynist, and she has been brainwashed or is
complicit in the brainwashing of telling young girls that they
should bow to misogynists and to this agenda that's saying that,
you know, the confused boy or the exploited boy has
more rights than you, that because he is quote confused
(20:26):
or presuming to have a female identity, that therefore he
has more power and more privileges than you. So we've
arrived at this point in wealthy or the wokie in
Naperville because these luxury beliefs are warped and twisted, and
shame on this woman. She founded first of all, not
very bright, and it is the toxic seminization of society
where there are no limiting principles. Anything goes. But ultimately
(20:49):
the rights and privileges, legal opportunity of these girls, they're
going out the window, and so we're going to put
a halt to it. It's why we've filed this federal
civil rights complaint. Now are third in the state of Illinois.
Second pertient needs to Title nine violations because we need
some air cover in our blue states, arguably much like
you know Colorado and California, other states where the government
is running amok and the federal government is going to
(21:10):
have to give us some air cover to protect the
ego opportunities of these students.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Shannon Adcock joining US, founder of Awake Illinois. She's already
one in court against Governor Pritzker and the woke policies
of a state like Illinois that really is similar to
Colorado in that there's a big urban center that dominates
the politics of an entire state where there are a
lot of outlying red areas. There certainly are in Illinois,
and there definitely are here in Colorado. But I like
(21:36):
that term that you use, Shannon, luxury beliefs because you
don't see typically working class type families that could be
of any race or background, really pushing for these Wolke
policies of inclusion.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
For trans athletes.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
In fact, quite to the contrary, you know, this is
taking a spot from a girl on a team, a
scholarship that might be earned, a medal that might be won.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I mean, these are robbing them cisgender girls.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I know, refute that topic altogether, but that she doesn't
need any acknowledge that there are real girls and women
being harmed by these policies because biological males are invading
those sports and spaces and taking spots away from girls,
and yet they don't address that.
Speaker 12 (22:20):
Right, Well, here's the thing. Liberal progressives themselves are waking
up now because their children are now being harmed by
these policies. And so, you know, Naperville and I'm sure
other wealthy areas around the country, parents in suburban areas
well to do areas. They're big on sports. They are
very big on their extracurricular activities for their children. They
(22:41):
pump a lot of money into private clubs, travel sports.
And now that their daughters are on the receiving end
of some really terrible policies where they're saying sure, boy,
because you identify as a girl, you can now go
on the girls team. Now, these families are pretty pretty upset,
and so urban areas are starting to wake up. Finally,
if this is what it takes, gosh darn it, fine,
(23:04):
here's where we have to go to. Because they're only
going to care up until the point that it affects them.
So those luxury beliefs are often hypotheticals until they are
on the receiving end of the harmful side of these policies,
such as this lie of gender ideology that a boy
can become a girl. No, he can't. And I'm very
concerned that a lot of these children are being exploited
(23:26):
by this ideology, by public education policies that are saying, sure,
you can identify as anything you want. No, you cannot.
You can express your identity, your personality, but we are
going to have sex separated spaces, bathrooms, locker rooms, and
sports teams. We are not going to continue leading in
leaning into this insanity any longer.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Shannon, I want to ask a question of you that
I would ask this liberal woman parent whatnot, as to
where the line is. You know, I like to deal
in a world of deafinites of this is and this isn't,
and maybe there's a gray area, but okay, let's walk
down that path for a moment.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
A boy shows up and decides, I'm.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Going to grow my hair long, I'm going to put
on some makeup, I'm going to wear a dress, and
now I'm a girl and I'm going to use the
girls restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms. I'm going to participate
in girls sports. Is that enough or does it not
even take what I just described? A boy just says it,
just verbalize it.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I'm a girl.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Now where is that line according to these liberal parents, Well, they're.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
Making it up as they go. And you know, they've
already said that in school they can change their student record,
they can change their names, and they're trying to tell
the fellow classmates to now call the boy by the
new girl name. And they expressly permit on internal documents
because we've done Freedom of Information Act requests on these
(24:42):
where they're basically saying, what is the protocol going to be?
Are we going to have the boy in the girl's
bathroom the locker room. But what's really sad is that
protected class has confused children or exploited children. They are
making all the rest of the student body bows. So
the uncomfortable girls are the ones who are told that
they should seek a different accommodation, that they should now
(25:03):
find a different place where they're going to have to
change if they're uncomfortable. So it is exploiting all of
these children, and it's because of adult failures. You know,
kids do not have their prefrontal cortex developed yet. These
children should not be the ones calling the shots. It
should be adults who know better. And these children come
into the school system as male and female. And so
(25:24):
we're going to follow what I believe is going to
be pretty strict sex separated policies going forward, as things
like this continue to be litigated, and as President Trump's
administration and its commitments to Title nine start giving blue
states like ours air cover because we need it.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Desperately, and we need it here too in Colorado, because
Illinois and Colorado in many ways on parallel track. Shannon
Adcock joining us, founder of Awake Illinois, fighting much of
the same fight. And Shannon, I know you're aware of
the law that just passed with Governor Poulos's signature here
in Colorado. Thirteen twelve transgender rights for individuals. Here's how
he explained that it's not a violation the First Amendment
(26:03):
to insist upon others validating somebody's gender identity, appearing on
the Ross Kominski Show on KOA locally here.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
You don't think it's an infringement on the First Amendment,
is that what you're saying? Well, look, obviously you have
to if you have an employer. There's things you can
say and can't say at work, right, I mean, this
is not like you know, with your friends in your
house at all, right, right, I mean that's not against
a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
When you go to work.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
You cannot call your African American colleague the N word.
I mean that that is, you know, that is a
civil rights violation. So of course this is a great
diverse state. You may have to work with somebody who's transgender,
somebody you may have to work with somebody who who's
African Americans. Like you just have to respect whoever you
work with. You, you know, and you all try to
get along. And that is in the professional side of things.
(26:46):
How we all get together as a state. And I
would add this goes always if you have a debout
Christian who you work with, you have to respect that
you never mock their Christianity, You never mocked their faith.
At work again in your own home, you know, if
you're with friends and you can argue about Christianity or
transgender and you can get mean and vicious and there's
no violation of law. Totally free speech. But when you're
(27:07):
at work, absolutely there are expectations of what you do
at work and treat everybody civilly. This bill doesn't do
much about that, but that was already the law in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
So Governor Paulos defines two settings that we might appear
in in our lives, work at home.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
What about every other.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Setting in Colorado that you might appear in publicly, that's
my question.
Speaker 12 (27:24):
Shannon, Right, Well, we've even seen this in some of
the woke areas of Chicago Land where park districts are
setting up these free speech zones where basically they're saying, hey,
you know, if you want to have free speech, you
can only have it in this particular part of the park.
So they absolutely are going to try and restrict your
free speech if it doesn't tow their leftist woke mine.
And he doesn't sound very bright on this issue, and
(27:46):
if you listen to the nuances of their verbiage, they
meaning these leftists, they are assuming that you can legislate
their version of utopia. It's not going to happen. So
when they start bringing these policies into the schools is
really when we get fired up, because these children deserve
(28:06):
policies that are going to focus on academics. Obviously, you
want to see children who are disciplined, balanced. You don't
want to see kids who are bullying and harassing and
beating kids up. But we're not going to adopt your
version of leftist utopia.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
It doesn't exist.
Speaker 12 (28:21):
And individualism is going to reign supreme, or individual liberties
reign supreme. We are not going to conform to your
workview of utopia. We reject it completely. And our free
speech is not going to be put into zones because
eventually gets what they're going to come knocking on your
door at some point your home won't be off limits
to them. And we did actually fight House Bill four
(28:43):
eight seven six last year that would have labeled parents
child abusers if they did not lean into gender ideology
and their children's confusion and give them puberty blockers or
chest binders or gender affirming care, which is careless. It
is actually very harmful, as we're learning, so we stopped
that last year. But this agenda is radical, and it
(29:04):
is going to try and tell any concerned parent that
they're on the wrong side if they protect their children
from lies. So Colorado, I'm very sorry. I'm grieving for you,
but I got to tell you it's time to go
on offense against these legislators and name them and shame them.
No playing nice, no unity. Their version of utopia is
not going to happen. So start speaking boldly and with
common sense to the harms of these issues.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
The website awakeil dot com. She's the founder of a
Wake Illinois. We could use her in the fight here
and maybe this conversation could be the start of that.
Shannon Adcock find her on x as well. Shannon's so
grateful for your time and thank you for all you're
doing in this fight for girls and women sports and spaces.
Speaker 12 (29:43):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Onward, all right, onward indeed and on where we go
to break. We're back after this. On six point thirty
k how I.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Had wishing him well. I had to. It was unscript
I just read that I just read that. It was
like a live read right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah. In the absence, I wanted to make sure I
emphasize that. Ryan Schilding filling in. I'll be back with
you again tomorrow. John Caldera on Thursday and Friday. I
hope you enjoyed that conversation I just had with Shannon Adcock.
She is the founder of a Wake Illinois. We need
like a Wake Colorado. I know we've got Jeff co
Kids first and some groups. Lorie Gimmelstein leading another one.
(30:16):
Aaron Lee is on the front lines of this as well.
We just need more voices. And it's like Shannon said,
the tolerance level for this needs to be zero. We
need to course correct and there's no more validation, gray
area room for error in allowing these bullies. And that's
what they are to dominate the political and public sphere
(30:36):
and dictate to us what policies are going to be.
That might be your belief but you don't have a
right to force those beliefs on us.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
And we don't have.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
To acknowledge somebody's preferred gender identity simply in the course
of doing business, whether that's Jack Phillips, the Masterpiece Cake shop,
or if we're trying to protect the integrity and safety
of girls and women's sports and spaces through Title nine,
that is exactly what Title.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Nine was designed to do.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Title nine was designed to protect biological females with XX chromosomes,
not transgender individuals who identify as female.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Who then, Robert Baron the.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Spots spaces safety places that girls and women reside and
need to feel safe in. And that's the bottom line,
final text of the day. Ryan, money won't cure politics
and policy. There are no roads or bridges that will
correct social issues. You're right, this needs to get personal
for some people that are crowing from the mountaintops acting
all woken virtue signaling. When it hits home and it
(31:36):
affects their daughters, that's when they'll see the light.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But perhaps only then will they do it.
Brian.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Jimmy Connors was competitive in the regular men's Tour into
his late thirties. He was incredibly competitive that way, like
no one else probably in history. He was so fierce
minded that he said some things that were pretty awful,
you might say. He once said to him an umpire
that he was very, very mad at you are an abortion?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Do you think of that?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I remember that. It was like I said, I kind
of dug Jimmy Connors. I like that ferocity, that fire,
and I remember when he said that. And of course
one of John McEnroe's famous sayings was you cannot be
serious about a call that was missed. This is before
eagle eye and the replay system that's in place. Kelly's
(00:49):
old enough to appreciate both the names I just mentioned,
and as a big fan of tennis, she's watching almost
every time I'm in there. It doesn't even have to
be one of the major tournaments of the Grand Slam.
So back in the day, ke who did you prefer?
And why Jimmy Connors or John McEnroe.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Jimmy Connor and why?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:11):
It was just.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
He was a good guy and they were both hot
heads and kindles.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
But I cannot. I cannot.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Oh, one of my favorite parts of tennis was when
John McEnroe just went ape crap on the Orange juice
at Wimbledon.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
If you remember that. Yeah, he basically.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Just took his tennis racket and beat the crap at
this whole tennis Uh, this whole beautiful setup of of
you know, it's very proper, It was very proper, and
he just beat the crap.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Out of it.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
A story that I always liked to share, or I
think you're aware of this.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Kelly.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
The late great dick Enberg was a graduate of the
same college that I went to, Central Michigan University, and
one day, this was in the mid nineties, a select
group of college students got to meet with dick Enberg.
Great guy could not have been more generous with this time.
Took our questions and I asked him what it was
like working with John McEnroe, and he tells this story.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
It's phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Here's dick Enberg, who's totally old school, and he's the
best there ever was in my view. Asolutely, we missed
him dearly because I know you hate Chris Fowler. Now
as much as you hated Chris Fowler, you love dick Enberg,
because what Edberg was able to do he would tell
stories and he was so well informed, and he set
the scene and he was so good at this. And
(02:47):
he showed us the index cards that he used in
real time, so he got all the index cards.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
They're all arranged in a particular order.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
He's ready to go and he's describing where they're set
up for Wimbledon. We're talking like eighties and nineties now,
small little wooden box. Kelly knows what I'm talking about. Yes,
And they're about to go live to air on NBC
for Breakfast at Wimbledon. John McEnroe, who is now his
fellow commentator, is nowhere to be found. No, it's Edinburg,
just sitting there by himself, thinking I might have to
(03:14):
go live without macnroe, and it's you know, he's supposed
to come in. We're doing this whole thing and got
it all set up and I'm really.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Got a minute out.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Oh you know this story? Yeah, actual, I told it
to you. Because I've told it to you. The listeners
haven't heard it though, Yeah I knew it.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
It's don like a minute before air, producer ready and
again they're in this confined space in stumbles John McEnroe
with like an egg salad sandwich. He's got it like
coming off the side of his mouth, still chewing, still chewing,
like five four three one, you know, And by the
time Edberg does his whole prologue introduction, you knew how
(03:50):
beautiful it was, the montage, the video, the music behind it.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Da da da da.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
He turns the mac and row macro without missing a beat,
swallows the egg salad sandwich, microphone a hand well dick
down out on a he goes right into it, doesn't
miss a beat.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
That could have been an age other that could have
been that match.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It might have been this would have had they would
have been quite young at this time though, This would
have been, like I said.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Like ninety six, about ninety six. And it just was.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Remarkable to Enburg because he said, you know, as much
as I was worried in that moment, I have to
be meticulously prepared, he said, otherwise I feel naked going
on air live and.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I gotta know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
But Johnny Mack could come right in, yes, and just
hit the ground running, egg salad, sandwich and all.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
And he's very good as a commentator.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
I love Johnny Matt Jimmy Connor's was so good on
the court. I mean, if you remember that eighty seven
US Open, oh ninety three.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Is when he was like thirty nine and came and
made the semi finals. I thought it was it was later.
It was later, And that's what that's to the talkbacker's point. Yeah,
the Connors was competitive.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
He had some injuries late, like a hamstring bothering him.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
He came back and he basically I remember watching that
match from my bedroom and being like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
All of America is rooting for him, everybody. Yeah, and he.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Did the point like to every corner of the stadium
at the US Open, just.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Like when Pete Sampers puked. It's just like that at
the US Open.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
He puked.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
I remember that literally because he was drinking a coke
and that's stupid.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
You don't drink a coke, you know when you're Michael.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Brown does it all the time on his version is dying.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
No, no, no, and not humidity.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
Oh yeah, But I don't think Michael's running around a
tennis court.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'd like to see it, yeah, would be that would
be awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Did you see Michael Brown playing pickaball, oh dog house.
Speaker 7 (05:52):
I don't see him doing any That doesn't mean he's
Cardio already.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
He walks.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
He I like that label on him now. That dragon
just put in my head, Michael Brown. Not Cardi already,
Cardio already.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Okay, Well is the President of the United States. Guardio already.
He's in great shape. We heard.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
So there are a couple of things that I want
you to take away from this experience if you're willing
to go forward with my program, Ryan Schuling Lie, which
you can hear a week days from two to four
pm in the Mountain time zone, and of course subscribe,
download listen in the podcast version.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But I just got confirmation. I got good news and
bad news.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Scott Jennings will be appearing with me, but it will
be on tomorrow's program in the afternoon on my show,
so apologies for that, but you can tune in and
geez find him on my program. He'll be right off
the top of the show on Thursday, on Thursday. On Thursday,
I'm losing track of the days because of the holiday,
but it'll be Thursday two oh six, right into it
(06:57):
with Scott Jennings.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Really looking forward to that conversation.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
How bad do you suck that you can't get him on?
Michael Brown?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
What is this? You don't come on, you don't look
them out? Totally warning you got him on your show,
your show just too much. That's just unwarrant anything off
on the morning show. You have your own show. You
have to do. I do wow, Kelly, I know that's
the way she is, Folks. This is what I deal
with every single day. You can tex me bad about
(07:25):
the Kelly Batman.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Oh shut up, I am fine, fine, I am vie.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
You dontally sound fun.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
I just do a little bit, a little bit. I'm just.
Speaker 8 (07:39):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I want to swear bad. Swear to me thirty three
one oh three year take on Kelly's voice. The other take.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Here's a segue that you can find on my program
is the Regular Installments. Is one of Kelly's favorite hot
takes from President Trump and how he interacts with the
fake news media.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
This is particularly good. Now.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Some of the greatest stuff we get from President Trump
is when he's on the White House lawn about to
air Marine one and he comes time to talk to
fake news.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
What do you got? And he just doesn't hold back anymore.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
As much as he didn't hold back in the first
term as president, he is giving even fewer fs Now.
People wonder why Trump won, Folks, that's a big reason
why Trump won. We're so sick of the media and
just the lousy scoundrels.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
They are, the fake news that they are.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I mean, just look at the cover up of the
Biden cognitive decline and the excuse factory that's coming out
from the left.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
We were just we were lied to by the Biden
White House. What were we to do? Just this is
what you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Take that scenario and instead of Joe Biden, insert Donald Trump.
And do you believe for one millisecond that the media
that covers Donald Trump with such scrutiny with such fervor
as the adversarial media they themselves on being. Would they
just take the word of Caroline Lovett or other sources
in the White House.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's a no. Donald Trump's perfectly fine when.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
There were obvious signs of decline like we saw with
Joe Biden, like that egregious and just chalk it up.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
To well, you know, have they told us he was fine?
Speaker 8 (09:17):
I guarantee you I will be totally transparent in terms
of my health and all aspects of my health.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
M yeah, okay, yeah, not so much, not so much.
Allison Cameron do you remember her? She used to be
on Fox News and I think she's now a former
seeing an anchor. I think she got booted. But this
is just absolutely it defies logic. Here's her excuse as
to why the media did not cover with great scrutiny
(09:46):
Biden's cognitive mess that was on display for all the
public to see.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
But this was different.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Well, my point is that it seemed to be a
continuation or a downslide, okay, or a decline.
Speaker 9 (09:59):
At no point do you think this is a man
showing clear signs of cognitive decline during the.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Debate, Not until that, Oh well, I mean cognitive decline?
Speaker 1 (10:11):
What yes, man who was clearly losing it in real time.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Well, let me just say this.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I thought that it was the normal decline of age.
I didn't think it was a crisis. I didn't think
that he wasn't capable of making decisions. But when I
saw the debate, it seemed like it was in a
different category. The debate was in a different category than
what I watched every day for two and a half
so you have.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
So his decision making, let's say, on the withdrawal from Afghanistan,
that didn't raise any red flags for Alison Cameroda, she's
just indicting herself. She's telling on herself. But this is
absolutely a calamity of the responsibility of the media that
they shirk it and they continue to make excuses for
I just.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Thought it was a natural continuation of his age.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
It was aoka until everybody else saw how bad he was.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Then I knew it was a bad Well.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
We also used to do a feature on this program
way back in the day that I started. And again
the timing of when I started this tells you something.
I was the producer in Dragon's Shoes and in that
seat for the situation Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
That aired two to four PM.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
And we're going back to the election of twenty twenty,
the election year of twenty twenty, about five years ago.
I started this bit called Moments of Biden, meaning it
was like a senior cognitive moment five years ago. And
here's some highlights from the twenty twenty three State of
the Union address. And you tell me if he sounds
like a guy, that's all there. Correct, got knocked off
(11:35):
his game, a little stifled there.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
This goes his way.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
Hang on, I gotta stop at it. This is where
I gotta kind of defend him there. Lincoln Riley is
an unusual name. Lincoln is not, so I gotta defend
him on that part.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Okay, if it were an isolated incident, Dragon, I would
be with you.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
But I just have to defend it. It is an
unusual name.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
There is a mosaic of these examples for Joe Biden,
and this is in sharp contrast. Anybody like Alison Camrooda
or Alex Thompson from Axios, or Jake Tapper from Sienna.
They knew, they knew in real time that this was
a diminished version of Joe Biden.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
This wasn't the best Biden ever. And if you don't
believe me, f you, that would be.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Joe Scarborough who said that on Morning Joe making an
absolute fool of himself. But what I'll point to when
I've done so many times, there is plenty of anecdotal
evidence that while a mediocre intellect, Joe Biden had his
wits about him, making very sophomoric points. But he didn't stutter,
he didn't stumble. He didn't search for dates, names, figures.
He didn't name dead women in the audience, like with
(12:43):
Jackie Willarski.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You remember this.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
I want to thank all of you here for including
bipartisan elect officials like Representative Governor, Senator Braun, Senator Booker,
Representative Jackie.
Speaker 10 (12:55):
Are you here?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Where's Jackie?
Speaker 8 (12:57):
I don't think she want she want to be here.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
She's going to be there if she was alive, but
she died in a car accident before this. Joe, my goodness, again,
not a solitary example. Now here's Joe Biden nineteen ninety
one Senate Judiciary Committee. He was the chair of it
in the confirmation hearings for Clarence Thomas.
Speaker 11 (13:20):
Good morning, judge, welcome to the blinding lights. Finding out
what you mean when you say that you would apply
the natural law philosophy to the Constitution is, in my view,
the single most important task of this committee.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Senator Biden was very focused on natural law. How did
that go? Who knows? And I have no idea what
he was talking about.
Speaker 11 (13:45):
I just want to make sure we all know what
we're talking about here, That you and I know at
least what we're talking about here.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
There's a fervent and aggressive school of thought.
Speaker 11 (13:55):
That wishes to see natural law further in form the
Constitution than it does now, argued against by the positivist
led by Judge Burg.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Now again, that may be.
Speaker 11 (14:08):
Lost on all the people. You know, and I know
what we're talking.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
About, you know, and I know now again Biden was
making mundane points there. Clarence Thomas had no idea what
he was talking about, but Joe Biden thought he did,
and he was saying it with clarity, with punctuation, with
a pace that is entirely different than what we were
presented with over the four years of his term as president,
clear and stark differences and cognitive capacity.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Anyone who didn't notice was either not paying attention or
they were in on the cover up. Plain and simple,
I'm bet girl, Go call me Gilly. I'm bet girl.
Get it right. Producer by day, fighting grim at night. Yes,
very much so. The Christian Belle voice.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
You guys, rich kiss that.
Speaker 6 (15:02):
All right?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Hold on, I got some sound, introduce our next segment
and the Kelly Kuchera voice.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Here we go, Good evening.
Speaker 12 (15:12):
Shannon Atcock, founder of Awake Illinois, a social welfare advocacy organization.
My hat thanks to xx x Y athletics displays xx
and x y female and male chromosomes. Xx cannot become
x Y and vice versa. There is no transformation. There
is no trans for this district to claim otherwise is
(15:33):
a lie. A lie so egregious you might as well
scrap all biology classes. Recently, parents and District two three
sought Awake Illinoi's help after the Naper Prairie track meet,
where a male competed on the girls team, winning multiple events.
Parents demanded answers, but the district vaguely cited the Illinois
Human Rights Act and guidance. That act covers bullying harassment,
(15:55):
not letting boys invade girls bathrooms, locker rooms, or sports teams.
This district's secret policy, enacted without Board approval, spits in
the face of the Open Meetings Act. Most parents in
District two of three and two or four had no
clue their daughters would be competing alongside biological males. The
Illinois Human Rights Act doesn't specify this allowance, and the
(16:17):
State Board's guidance is not law. It's a suggestion, and
a bad one.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
She is the founder of a Wake Illinois that was
her testimony before the Naperfield Public School Board. She had
and Adcock our guest here, Shannon, thank you so much
for your time.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 12 (16:33):
Sure good to be here.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Now, I think you and I are the same age.
I don't want to presume, but I believe that's true.
And I was just thinking back earlier my experience running
cross country. Now it's thirty three years ago, So going
back to nineteen ninety two, and I was running side
by side with the best girls cross country runner and
invitational in Michigan, and then I outsprinted her down the stretch,
(16:56):
defeated her, but she won the whole thing for the girls.
That was my personal experience. But little did I know, Shannon,
that thirty three years later, you would have to explain
in those explicit terms what x X versus x Y meant,
and that I would have to go into that subject
like I just did on the radio.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
How did we get here?
Speaker 11 (17:16):
Right?
Speaker 12 (17:16):
Well, I'm forty five, so I'm a gen xer, proud
gen xer. The nineties were great. They were a golden age.
And yes, we understood biological truth, We appreciated female empowerment
and competitive sports for girls. You know, I think there
was just a very strong message of that in the nineties,
and we have lost our way, largely because leftist progressivism
(17:37):
has been allowed to run amok and it has no
limiting principles. There is no ceiling to how far this
will go. And so of course you have in our
wealthy community of Naperville. I often joke, the wealthier, the wokier,
it's really cool to have luxury beliefs until until your
daughter is left crying on the track field because your
woke principles are now invading her opportunities for an equal
(17:58):
opportunity competition. So this is how we've arrived to this point.
Decades of no limiting principles of leftist progressivism and we're
done with it.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, wellcher, I like that word. I'm going to add
it to my own lexicon. Shannon Adcock, our guests, you know,
it's the same. And I hate to go by stereotypes,
but they're stereotypes for a reason, because they're true. These
are the people in the wealthy suburbs that have the
in this house signs on their front lawns, and this
all goes in along with that, and unfortunately, at this
very public school hearing you spoke. But then so did
(18:29):
this mother who had students in the school district about
where this seventh grade trans athlete won medals several in
a girl's track and field event. Here's what she had
to say, countering your testimony.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
And I'm a parent of two district two or three students,
one at Lincoln and one at Central. Today I speak
to you in support of transgendered students and transgendered student athletes.
I am proud to live in a state that protects
a student's right to participate in sports that align their
gender identity. I thank you for supporting and following this law.
(19:06):
Other parties will tell you that they believe this is
a disservice to our cisgendered students and especially our female athletes.
As the parent of two students in the district, and
as a woman, I reject the notion that allowing transgendered
athletes to participate in sports is detrimental to our students.
Losing a race is disappointing. It is okay for our
(19:30):
students to experience disappointment. We cannot protect our children from
all the disappointments in life, but we can encourage them
to develop resilience. This growth mindset will benefit them in
numerous situations.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
I have so many questions coming out of this, but
I would like you to address that she First of all,
how does his mother know that she's a woman?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What is a woman?
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Because she answered that question and then my other question,
and then again take off on this how you will?
Why then, are trans individual student athletes from this era
of disappointment and learning how to lose?
Speaker 10 (20:04):
Right?
Speaker 12 (20:04):
Well, she's a typical neo Marxist progressive. I would argue
she's a misogynist, and she has been brainwashed or is
complicit in the brainwashing of telling young girls that they
should bow to misogynists and to this agenda that's saying that,
you know, the confused boy or the exploited boy has
more rights than you, that because he is quote confused
(20:26):
or presuming to have a female identity, that therefore he
has more power and more privileges than you. So we've
arrived at this point in wealthy or the wokie in
Naperville because these luxury beliefs are warped and twisted, and
shame on this woman. She founded first of all, not
very bright, and it is the toxic seminization of society
where there are no limiting principles. Anything goes. But ultimately
(20:49):
the rights and privileges, legal opportunity of these girls, they're
going out the window, and so we're going to put
a halt to it. It's why we've filed this federal
civil rights complaint. Now are third in the state of Illinois.
Second pertient needs to Title nine violations because we need
some air cover in our blue states, arguably much like
you know Colorado and California, other states where the government
is running amok and the federal government is going to
(21:10):
have to give us some air cover to protect the
ego opportunities of these students.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Shannon Adcock joining US, founder of Awake Illinois. She's already
one in court against Governor Pritzker and the woke policies
of a state like Illinois that really is similar to
Colorado in that there's a big urban center that dominates
the politics of an entire state where there are a
lot of outlying red areas. There certainly are in Illinois,
and there definitely are here in Colorado. But I like
(21:36):
that term that you use, Shannon, luxury beliefs because you
don't see typically working class type families that could be
of any race or background, really pushing for these Wolke
policies of inclusion.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
For trans athletes.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
In fact, quite to the contrary, you know, this is
taking a spot from a girl on a team, a
scholarship that might be earned, a medal that might be won.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I mean, these are robbing them cisgender girls.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I know, refute that topic altogether, but that she doesn't
need any acknowledge that there are real girls and women
being harmed by these policies because biological males are invading
those sports and spaces and taking spots away from girls,
and yet they don't address that.
Speaker 12 (22:20):
Right, Well, here's the thing. Liberal progressives themselves are waking
up now because their children are now being harmed by
these policies. And so, you know, Naperville and I'm sure
other wealthy areas around the country, parents in suburban areas
well to do areas. They're big on sports. They are
very big on their extracurricular activities for their children. They
(22:41):
pump a lot of money into private clubs, travel sports.
And now that their daughters are on the receiving end
of some really terrible policies where they're saying sure, boy,
because you identify as a girl, you can now go
on the girls team. Now, these families are pretty pretty upset,
and so urban areas are starting to wake up. Finally,
if this is what it takes, gosh darn it, fine,
(23:04):
here's where we have to go to. Because they're only
going to care up until the point that it affects them.
So those luxury beliefs are often hypotheticals until they are
on the receiving end of the harmful side of these policies,
such as this lie of gender ideology that a boy
can become a girl. No, he can't. And I'm very
concerned that a lot of these children are being exploited
(23:26):
by this ideology, by public education policies that are saying, sure,
you can identify as anything you want. No, you cannot.
You can express your identity, your personality, but we are
going to have sex separated spaces, bathrooms, locker rooms, and
sports teams. We are not going to continue leading in
leaning into this insanity any longer.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Shannon, I want to ask a question of you that
I would ask this liberal woman parent whatnot, as to
where the line is. You know, I like to deal
in a world of deafinites of this is and this isn't,
and maybe there's a gray area, but okay, let's walk
down that path for a moment.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
A boy shows up and decides, I'm.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Going to grow my hair long, I'm going to put
on some makeup, I'm going to wear a dress, and
now I'm a girl and I'm going to use the
girls restrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms. I'm going to participate
in girls sports. Is that enough or does it not
even take what I just described? A boy just says it,
just verbalize it.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I'm a girl.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Now where is that line according to these liberal parents, Well, they're.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
Making it up as they go. And you know, they've
already said that in school they can change their student record,
they can change their names, and they're trying to tell
the fellow classmates to now call the boy by the
new girl name. And they expressly permit on internal documents
because we've done Freedom of Information Act requests on these
(24:42):
where they're basically saying, what is the protocol going to be?
Are we going to have the boy in the girl's
bathroom the locker room. But what's really sad is that
protected class has confused children or exploited children. They are
making all the rest of the student body bows. So
the uncomfortable girls are the ones who are told that
they should seek a different accommodation, that they should now
(25:03):
find a different place where they're going to have to
change if they're uncomfortable. So it is exploiting all of
these children, and it's because of adult failures. You know,
kids do not have their prefrontal cortex developed yet. These
children should not be the ones calling the shots. It
should be adults who know better. And these children come
into the school system as male and female. And so
(25:24):
we're going to follow what I believe is going to
be pretty strict sex separated policies going forward, as things
like this continue to be litigated, and as President Trump's
administration and its commitments to Title nine start giving blue
states like ours air cover because we need it.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Desperately, and we need it here too in Colorado, because
Illinois and Colorado in many ways on parallel track. Shannon
Adcock joining us, founder of Awake Illinois, fighting much of
the same fight. And Shannon, I know you're aware of
the law that just passed with Governor Poulos's signature here
in Colorado. Thirteen twelve transgender rights for individuals. Here's how
he explained that it's not a violation the First Amendment
(26:03):
to insist upon others validating somebody's gender identity, appearing on
the Ross Kominski Show on KOA locally here.
Speaker 10 (26:11):
You don't think it's an infringement on the First Amendment,
is that what you're saying? Well, look, obviously you have
to if you have an employer. There's things you can
say and can't say at work, right, I mean, this
is not like you know, with your friends in your
house at all, right, right, I mean that's not against
a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
When you go to work.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
You cannot call your African American colleague the N word.
I mean that that is, you know, that is a
civil rights violation. So of course this is a great
diverse state. You may have to work with somebody who's transgender,
somebody you may have to work with somebody who who's
African Americans. Like you just have to respect whoever you
work with. You, you know, and you all try to
get along. And that is in the professional side of things.
(26:46):
How we all get together as a state. And I
would add this goes always if you have a debout
Christian who you work with, you have to respect that
you never mock their Christianity, You never mocked their faith.
At work again in your own home, you know, if
you're with friends and you can argue about Christianity or
transgender and you can get mean and vicious and there's
no violation of law. Totally free speech. But when you're
(27:07):
at work, absolutely there are expectations of what you do
at work and treat everybody civilly. This bill doesn't do
much about that, but that was already the law in Colorado.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
So Governor Paulos defines two settings that we might appear
in in our lives, work at home.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
What about every other.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Setting in Colorado that you might appear in publicly, that's
my question.
Speaker 12 (27:24):
Shannon, Right, Well, we've even seen this in some of
the woke areas of Chicago Land where park districts are
setting up these free speech zones where basically they're saying, hey,
you know, if you want to have free speech, you
can only have it in this particular part of the park.
So they absolutely are going to try and restrict your
free speech if it doesn't tow their leftist woke mine.
And he doesn't sound very bright on this issue, and
(27:46):
if you listen to the nuances of their verbiage, they
meaning these leftists, they are assuming that you can legislate
their version of utopia. It's not going to happen. So
when they start bringing these policies into the schools is
really when we get fired up, because these children deserve
(28:06):
policies that are going to focus on academics. Obviously, you
want to see children who are disciplined, balanced. You don't
want to see kids who are bullying and harassing and
beating kids up. But we're not going to adopt your
version of leftist utopia.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
It doesn't exist.
Speaker 12 (28:21):
And individualism is going to reign supreme, or individual liberties
reign supreme. We are not going to conform to your
workview of utopia. We reject it completely. And our free
speech is not going to be put into zones because
eventually gets what they're going to come knocking on your
door at some point your home won't be off limits
to them. And we did actually fight House Bill four
(28:43):
eight seven six last year that would have labeled parents
child abusers if they did not lean into gender ideology
and their children's confusion and give them puberty blockers or
chest binders or gender affirming care, which is careless. It
is actually very harmful, as we're learning, so we stopped
that last year. But this agenda is radical, and it
(29:04):
is going to try and tell any concerned parent that
they're on the wrong side if they protect their children
from lies. So Colorado, I'm very sorry. I'm grieving for you,
but I got to tell you it's time to go
on offense against these legislators and name them and shame them.
No playing nice, no unity. Their version of utopia is
not going to happen. So start speaking boldly and with
common sense to the harms of these issues.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
The website awakeil dot com. She's the founder of a
Wake Illinois. We could use her in the fight here
and maybe this conversation could be the start of that.
Shannon Adcock find her on x as well. Shannon's so
grateful for your time and thank you for all you're
doing in this fight for girls and women sports and spaces.
Speaker 12 (29:43):
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Onward, all right, onward indeed and on where we go
to break. We're back after this. On six point thirty
k how I.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Had wishing him well. I had to. It was unscript
I just read that I just read that. It was
like a live read right. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah. In the absence, I wanted to make sure I
emphasize that. Ryan Schilding filling in. I'll be back with
you again tomorrow. John Caldera on Thursday and Friday. I
hope you enjoyed that conversation I just had with Shannon Adcock.
She is the founder of a Wake Illinois. We need
like a Wake Colorado. I know we've got Jeff co
Kids first and some groups. Lorie Gimmelstein leading another one.
(30:16):
Aaron Lee is on the front lines of this as well.
We just need more voices. And it's like Shannon said,
the tolerance level for this needs to be zero. We
need to course correct and there's no more validation, gray
area room for error in allowing these bullies. And that's
what they are to dominate the political and public sphere
(30:36):
and dictate to us what policies are going to be.
That might be your belief but you don't have a
right to force those beliefs on us.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
And we don't have.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
To acknowledge somebody's preferred gender identity simply in the course
of doing business, whether that's Jack Phillips, the Masterpiece Cake shop,
or if we're trying to protect the integrity and safety
of girls and women's sports and spaces through Title nine,
that is exactly what Title.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Nine was designed to do.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
Title nine was designed to protect biological females with XX chromosomes,
not transgender individuals who identify as female.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Who then, Robert Baron the.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Spots spaces safety places that girls and women reside and
need to feel safe in. And that's the bottom line,
final text of the day. Ryan, money won't cure politics
and policy. There are no roads or bridges that will
correct social issues. You're right, this needs to get personal
for some people that are crowing from the mountaintops acting
all woken virtue signaling. When it hits home and it
(31:36):
affects their daughters, that's when they'll see the light.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But perhaps only then will they do it.
Popular Podcasts
Boysober
Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns—all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com