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Speaker 1 (00:00):
According to at do Better Denver, the city's website being
down for Denver on Tuesday for ten hours might have
been an inside job. Also, city employees are calling in
sick to protest Mayor Mikey's reckless and irresponsible spending. Finally,
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HR wanted to cancel the city employees picnic. Mayor Mikey
says no, he wants the optics.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hmmm, that's a good way to start the morning. Good morning, Welcome,
Michael Brown is out of town. I'm John Caldera inform.
Please give me a call, chat with me. Three h
three seven one three eight two five five seven to
one three talk. Oh so much going on. Let's let's
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jump off on what we got this morning. The the
pardons coming out of the White House. Just for fun,
President trum has pardoned or commuted to the sentences of
twenty six people in recent days, including former Republican lawmakers,
reality TV stars, and a one time gang leader convicted
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of murder. This is this is good, all right? So
the big ones reality startups of Christy knows best now,
they conspired to defraud banks out of thirty million, thirty million,
and the idea was, yeah, but they had they had
family members who had some money that donated to the
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to the president. I got a real mixed feeling about this.
Let me let me throw this out there and then
we can fill in the cracks. There is something so
very wrong about our president making money off of his office,
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whether it's putting out cryptocurrency meme coins, taking free airplanes
from Qatar, or you know, getting pardons done in what
looks like exchange for for some campaign contributions. We could
go through and go through how much the president is
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making off of being president, and I think it's just
wrong and awful and terrible. At the same time, I'm
thinking it's kind of funny because all these politicians that
go to Washington seem to make a lot of coin
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outside of their regular jobs. The difference is our president
is so delightfully blatant about it. Do you know what
I mean? I think of people who've dedicated their lives
to social service, you know that's governmental service, because they
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care about the nation. How is it that a guy
like Bernie Sanders, who's been in office forever, is worth
tens of millions of dollars? How how is that possible?
You're you're a socialist, you get paid a couple hundred
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grand a year for being a senator. But yet over
time you've created quite a nice little nest egg for yourself.
Joe Biden has been an elected official, what's the technical term,
forever forever? How is it that he affords these beautiful homes? Well,
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we all have a suspicion. What's nice is that Donald Trump?
His grift is out in the open. It's kind of
it's kind of enjoyable. He let's grab a couple of
these phone calls piling up, three or three seven, one,
three eight, two five five. Good morning, don you're with
John Kelder. I'm glad to have you.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Hey, good morning. It's I hardly I'm able to call
you these days, especially on brand S Radio when you
do that program Saturday mornings.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Uh huh, you can still call me.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I'm around, I mean well, I mean I'm busy. I mean,
all I'm saying is I'm busy a lot Saturday mornings. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, I'm hungover on Saturday mornings too, I understand.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, But this is something I wanted to talk about
with you because I mean I first heard about it
through Mandy Callin's interview, which I wasn't able to listen to.
But I look at the podcast descriptions and I just
brought up your opinion piece from Complete Colorado about an
unaffiliated future and why you do support the open primaries,
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and I'm with I'm starting to go with you on that. However,
you know, during the election night, also on brand Ath
Mike Rosen, who has been an icon in Denver talk
radio along with Peter Boyles hosting it. You know, stuck
by the old you know, vote Republican, vote Democrat, you know,
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binary choice, you know, believing that you know this is
the way to protect.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Let's bring listeners up to up to speed to where
you and I are as people are wiping the sleep
out of their eyes. I wrote a piece for my
column which is in the Denver Gazette and Colorado Springs Gazette.
It's also on Complete Colorado today, and basically, I'm throwing
my support and calling for open primaries. Now, I know
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a lot of Republicans get get freaked out about this.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
We have even Democrats.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I've heard, oh, Democrats even more so because they're the
ones I think have more to lose. So Kent theory.
The businessman Politico put something on the ballot last year
that failed, which is one of the first initiatives he's
bankrolled that has failed, and it had two parts to it.
One was what's known as jungle primaries, which means that
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instead of a Republican primary and a Democratic primary, you
have an one primary and unaffiliated candidates and Republicans and Democrats,
everybody who wants to run runs in this primary. It's
very similar to what they do in the city and
County of Denver for mayor, and then in a jungle primary,
the top two candidates go to the general election ballot
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for November. His proposal was the top four would go
and then we'd use this thing called rank choice voting.
I am cautious and skeptical for many reasons on rank
choice voting, and it seemed like many people were too,
and the proposal went down. My position is the idea
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of a jungle primary is an important thing, and I'm
now supportive of it. I used to be against it,
i am supportive of it, and what I want is
in order to bring some sanity back to Colorado government.
I think open primaries, that is a jungle primary, is
a key step towards it. And the reason is that
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in these suburban districts. I'm not talking rural districts which
are mostly Republican and urban are always communists. Yeah, exactly.
But in these swing districts of Jefferson County and Rapo County, Douglas,
El Paso, Adams, this is where the left wins because
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Republicans simply cannot get elected as easily as they could
in the past, but unaffiliated candidates who are somewhere in
between could. I believe Democrats have gone way too far
in Colorado. They're out of touch. But in Colorado in
swing districts, but.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They don't want to vote with them because they are
like you said, they like their weed, They support a
woman's right to choose. They support the LGBTQ. I mean,
maybe not the militancy of it or the attacks on
tax phillips, but they can get behind a gaze against
groomers in those times.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, let me draw that out just a little bit.
Here's I believe the political reality in Colorado. When Republicans
don't want to hear this, I'm sorry, but this is
the case. In the next ten years, twenty years, maybe
Colorado is not going to become an anti abortion state.
It's not going to become an anti cannabis state. It's
not going to become anti gay, and it's not going
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to become anti environmentalists. And for the next six years,
particularly in swing districts, Republicans will be tied to Trump
and those Trumps and Trump is hated in these swing districts.
Absolutely desponse.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't know what and I don't understand the hate.
Well I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I don't get it either.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
In the part. In part, it is the media, especially
up in Denver, especially with nine News, especially if they
still have a following. I don't know if there's still
the top dog.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Probably definitely they are.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But whether you and IBS Colorado have done better news stories.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
But but go on, But it doesn't matter if you
and I like Trump. The fact of the matter is
Colorado in those swing districts, especially chalk full of single moms,
hates Trump. And if you're going to run as a
Republican in these districts, you might as well have a
swastika behind your name because that's how that's how people
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are going to be voting. So this is why we
have such communist rule in Colorado. It's why the Socialists
are in control of Colorado because in these swing districts,
crazy Democrats win the primary and then they went over
whatever Republican is there. If we had an open.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Time truth, I did support this amendment last year, and
I'm along with Mandy Connain, Ross Kaminsky, you know, and
their predecessor Mike Rose and stuck to the old system.
I only supported because of Dave Williams. That was the
biggest reason.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And understandably many So imagine imagine what I would call
two point zero on this. Imagine a jungle primary, but
a regular fall election. It means that in where I
live up in Boulder, where there's never a Republican running,
there's no reason for me to be a Republican in Boulder,
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there's no primary devoted, you know, and if there is
a primary, there's no choice.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You know. The funny thing is you like the Boulder culture,
you just don't like the politics.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I love the Boulder that I remember growing up, that
I grew up in, and I love some of the
aspects physically of boulders right up by the nestled into
the foothills and it's just beautiful.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But no, it's sort you're a big fan of sister
station KBCO.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Indeed, even though that's not technically in Boulder anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But yes, I agree, they're still going to identify it
as KBCO Boulder without Denver, right.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But the point being up in Boulder, though, what happens
is the Democratic Primary is the race for whoever wins.
And if we had a jungle primary instead of just
a Democrat along with a a Republican who can't win,
and often no Republican at all with a jungle property,
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we would have a whack job socialist and just a
progressive Democrat. And I would tell you I'd vote for
the progressive Democrat over the communist.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, I probably vote for probably somebody that's a little
more to the center than flat out Oh yeah, no,
you lost my point.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
In the general I have no choice, Yeah, I have
no choice because there there is a socialist that wins
the Democratic primary and often no Republican at all, so
it's not even a race. We would bring back some
sanity if in places like Boulder we could have a
more moderate Democrat and a socialist battling it out in
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the general election those swing districts. In those swing districts,
that's where it really counts because we could get unaffiliated
candidates who are pro business, pro growth, anti tax, but
aren't socially repugnant to the voters in that district or
to the.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Group, or do the group think of the progressives and
the conservatives. I mean, you build the bill mahrs. I
mean that one, that one lady from Hawaii who's kind
of leaned right, and uh, you know, r f K.
You know, you know, you know you don't have to
agree with them all, but I mean you're kind of
seeing them, you know, move away from the far left.
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I mean JK ralling. I mean, it's not crazy about
men who decided to become women compete with the women
and kick their rear ends.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
No. Absolutely, Well, let's I'll tell you what. Let's back
up and let me ask you this. We the political
reality is in the new demographics in Colorado. We're not
gonna see in the next decade anti abortion laws, anti
weed laws, anti gay laws.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
But at the same time, you're not gonna have that
social Judeo Christian conservative right. You're gonna have to be
more like You're gonna have to be more like Neil Boortz,
who used to do talk radio in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I believe that Colorado is not pro tax. I believe
Colorado is not pro regulation. I believe Colorado is not
pro woke, and I believe Colorado is not pro crime.
And so there are a lot of people who vote
for Democrats because they can't stand to vote for Republicans
for the Dave Williams reasons, and therefore we're stuck with
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this out of state, out of step government. Yeah, so
if there was, let me ask you this question, don
It's a November, it's an election, and in your district
there's a Democrat on the ballot and an unaffiliated candidate
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who's pro abortion, pro cannabis, pro gay, but he's anti tax,
he's anti regulations. He knows that Colorado's gone over the
deep edge with all this woke stuff. Which one would
you vote for?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I'd be voting for the unaffiliated person. I'd be voting
for the unaffiliated person.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Here's the reality. Fifty percent, fifty percent of all Colorado
voters are now independent. They're now unaffiliated. The party structure
doesn't work in Colorado, and it's a wake up call.
The people who will be scared of a jungle primary
will not be Republicans, it will be Democrats because the
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system we have now has allowed out of touch, wildly
progressive socialists controlling our state.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And this is why you're going to have these pending
court decisions, especially this court law. And apparently you know,
if your child decides to go trance, you got to
let them go and love them and honor their change.
And they and if their lives are messed up, you
know along the way, so be it. They can either
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regret it or they become the useful idiots for the
progressives never ending revolution, which I believe is the real goal.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Side note on that, you know, whatever your kids choose
to do with your lot their lives, you should love them,
you should support them, you know all those things. But
it doesn't mean that parents should.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Lose that right. It's not the parents that will disowns.
It's the states to the school system that are going
to get the children to disown them. That's the sad thing,
it really is.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And something I do want to bring up this morning
when we get some time to it is this bill
that the governor signed on thirteen oh nine, which which
pays for cosmetic which means you and I have to
pay for cosmetic surgery for men who think they're women,
but women who want cosmetic surgery can't get it. It's wonder. Yeah,
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we wonder why our healthcare costs and insurance costs are
out of control. The bills that the governor just signed
are an example of why we can't afford healthcare because
of the of the mandates. But we'll we'll get we'll
get to that as tough point taking, Hey, you have
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yourself a terrific more talking with nice, talking with you.
Three oh three uh seven one three eight two five five,
it's seven to one three. Talk it. I wrote a
column It's a complete Colorado dot com this morning. Please
check it out. And I'm asking it was begging Kent
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Theory to retool his initiative from last year and bring
it back, get rid of the ranked choice voting part
of the bill because he bit off more than he
could chew, and instead give us open jungle primaries. The
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Party faithful are going to hate this, but I see
it as a necessary step to save Colorado. Colorado is failing.
Colorado is on a knife's edge. It is teetering towards bankruptcy.
We will soon in the next several years be having
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rolling blackouts because of bad energy policy. We won't be
able to afford to pay our bills. Minimum wages are
putting small businesses out of business. The regulatory state is
out of control. We need to attack this, We need
to do something about it. Colorado will likely become the
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first truly unaffiliated pot state in the nation. Let's get
into that when we get back. I'm John Caldarien for
the Big Man.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Keep it here.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You're on six thirty.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Khow hey John. Yesterday Ryan said that you would probably
talk about Star Trek and he was wondering if, like
Captain Kirk, he liked the Green Alien ladies too, So
do tell to go for the Green Alien ladies or
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does it go even beyond that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Let's be honest here, I living in Boulder, believe in
multiculturalism and tolerance and celebrating diversity. So yes, the Orion
slave girls, Yeah, they're they're hot. Definitely if you're a
tricky you know what I'm talking about. And mind you
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Captain Kirk, I mean he'd hit anything that moved that
was back when, back when you know you could be
Captain Kirk. Now you've got to be some politically correct
star Trek character. We'll get into that later. Great question, though,
I'm an old Trekkie. Why because I believe people my
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age about sixty, it's like the only thing we have
in common. We were all raised watching the original Star Trek.
Poor kids today, they're all doing all these different things,
which is cool. But you know, you say, beat me up,
Scottie to them. They have no idea what you're talking about.
What are they teaching them in school? Give me a call.
Three oh three seven one three eight two five five.
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I'm John Caldera talking about a column that I wrote
for Complete Colorado and the Denver Gazette. By the way,
if you haven't signed on to Denver Gazette, you really
ought to. It's great to have a newspaper back in Colorado,
and I'm calling for Jungle Primaries. I believe it is
one of the few things that will get us back
to more sanity in Colorado. Let's go to the phones.
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Three h three seven to one, three eight two five
five James, Good morning with John Caldera.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Yeah, good morning, John. I listened to you on the
weekends on sevent ten and occasionally I catch you uh
on this station. My story is I was in a
a documentary with Stephen Tubbs called Denver and Decay. Yes,
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and we we did this downtown during the the riots,
and you know, it was a sad state of affairs
watching Denver burn then. And I made the statement in
that in that documentary that if Denver does not get
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a hold of the crime and the homelessness and the
drug addicts, the downtown Denver area will die. And that's
exactly what's happening now.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Now. My opinion is I think that there's probably.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Sixty five percent of the state of Colorado it still
thinks normally. And then you have the pollist Mike Johnson,
these fools that are making these decisions that are based
around just their people and what they believe in instead
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of Denver as a whole. I mean, it is scary
to see what is going on in downtown Denver and
the lack of businesses they're all leaving. It's just it's horrifying.
I predicted it during during that documentary and yeah, it's
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truly sad.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well, it's interesting. I had a meeting with some folks
yesterday and they all believe that the homeless issue in
Denver has gotten a lot better that the crime is
better that there are fewer people on the street, and
I think there is statistic proof for that. But here's
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the here's the real truth. People don't feel safe in Denver.
And you're right, there are fewer homeless encampments. That's a
good thing, even though I think he went about it
the wrong and most expensive way there is. Crime seems
to be marginally better. But I got to tell you,
it's a guy who works downtown. It's not like I
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feel great about downtown. The people I know still don't
want to go downtown. It's not a destination spot, even
if you spend one hundred grand to rename the sixteenth
Street mall to sixteenth Street. And people act by their feeling,
not the statistics, and people don't feel safe and comfortable
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in downtown Denver. It's not where you want to go
and hang.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You can go ahead and put as many festivals down
there as you want and bring in more concerts and
beer festivals, but it's not going to revitalize downtown until
there's until there's a reason that you feel comfortable living
and working and staying downtown. And people just don't feel
that way.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So I got it.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I got a point here to make thee I think
it was last week that Mike Johnson said, you know, basically,
we're broke. We're going to have to start furlowing people
government employees. Or fifty million dollars in a hole next
year's two hundred million dollars in the hole. And Michael
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Brown made the point that all of that money because
they're in the holes was because it was given to
subsidize the illegal aliens and the homeless encampments. Now, whether
that's completely true or not, I would say it's probably
played a big part of it. But can you imagine
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the feeling amongst those employees in a Denver Denver being
you know, and the Denver employees what they're thinking right now.
They might not say it, but they're thinking, Wow, you
put all them over us, and now we're going to
have to lose our jobs or furlough or whatever might
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happen to them. But yeah, yeah, it is. It has
gotten you know, John I had my when I was
in that video. The reason I was in that is
because I'm clean and sober sixteen years now, and I
was a homeless drug addic et cetera. But I I
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had pulled myself up to tough love in order to
be a very successful man today.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And congratulations, by the way, that is I.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
It is, but it can be done. And I made
the I talked to uh Polis and I told him
I would offer him my experience for free because I
was running a drug program at the time, and he
said he didn't want anything to do with then. He
just wanted to make houses for the homeless. And that's
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the last conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I said.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
I'm out. I can't deal with the thoughts like that
because if you do not deal with if you enable people,
they're not going to change. They're just going to say
the same. But I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I just havelf a great morning. I appreciate the call.
The number here's three oh three seven one three eight
two five five seven one three talk. Do you feel
safe in Denver? Statistically it's better than it was two
years ago. I don't think you can argue that. But
I don't see people rushing to hang out in downtown Denver.
I don't see people. Yeah, you might go to a
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show and then you get out. The people I know
wish to avoid Denver. It is on a death spiral,
and our caller's point is a good one that when
you spend two hundred million dollars on illegals, it means
there's two hundred million dollars you can't spend on things like, oh,
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I don't know, core functions of government, like fixing the roads,
making sure that first responders will be there, that bad
guys are in jail. You know, the stuff we pay
taxes for, the stuff that's always held hostage for the
other stuff. All right, three h three seven one three
eight two five five. I want to do you want
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to jump back on this this issue of jungle primaries,
because I've got a lot of static about this column
I wrote. Jungle primary is an interesting, interesting term. All
it means is instead of a Republican primary and a
Democratic primary, that we have one primary Republicans, Democrats, Greens,
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on affiliateds, Communists, Libertarians, whatever, and the top two winners
go on to the general election. That means, in places
like Boulder in Denver, people would finally get a chance
to vote on two different, pretend possible winning candidates. It's
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very similar to what Denver does with the mayor oral race.
You might recall that Mike Johnson and Kelly Bruff were
in a two way race after a jungle primary, and
it was a real race. There's no real race in Boulder,
there's no real race in Denver. When it comes to
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state House or state Senate, all of Colorado's governments are
controlled by the left. We have a progressive governor, we
have a socialistic House and a socialistic Senate. The courts
are overwhelmingly progressive, the cities are overwhelmingly progressive. The problem
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is we don't have any choice. And here's the reality.
And Colorado Republicans hate facing political reality. Republicans are the
minority minority party. The majority are unaffiliated. They're independent of
any party. They they hate both parties. Here's my observation
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that while now half half of all Colorado voters are
not affiliated with a party, there's still not pro tax.
They're still not pro spend, they're not pro crime, they're
not pro woke, they're not pro regulation. They just cannot
handle the moralistic side of the Republican Party, which invades
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the image of the party. They cannot handle Trump, so
they won't vote for an r Now I'm talking in
swing districts. You live out in the rural areas, you're
going to vote for an r. There is a huge
opening for unaffiliated common sense candidates to win in Colorado
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if only they could make it to the fall ballot.
But they don't make it to the fall ballot because
they can't make it through the primary. Would you like
to have a system where for your state House, your
state rep for governor, for cent for attorney general instead
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of this system we have now that we have an
open primary, which means that perhaps next fall we have
two Democrats running for governor, it would probably be the
Ag and Bennett instead of maybe just Phil Wiser or
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Bennett versus a Republican who has no shot of winning.
I mean, they're wonderful people running for Republican nomination. I
hate to be the one to tell you there's no
Santa Claus. But none of them are going to win.
None of them, Scott Bottom's Baisley, Greg Lopez, none of
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them are going to win the general. Wouldn't it be
nice if we were able to get a more moderate
Democrat to win, or heaven forbid, somebody who is not
of either party. My senses, most people are tired of
both parties. Give me your thoughts three or thirty seven one,
three eight, two, five five in for the big Man.
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I'm John Kelderic keep it right here, six thirty kow.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
No, I don't feel safer in Denver than two years ago.
Although Mayor Mikey is touting that homicides are down statistically
twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five, shootings are up
three hundred and forty percent, so they're just not as accurate. Also,
let's talk about stabbings. Stabbings are huge now. I never
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remember hearing about stabbings, and we also know that numbers
can be manipulated and have been in the past by Denver.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Stabbings are up, but that's that's just stabbings. It's not
it's not like it's a gun crime. So who cares.
Figure caller is absolutely right. People don't feel safe in Denver, period.
And I know people who work and love Denver saying,
oh no, it's getting better, it's getting better, and they
have a point, they really do. Let's not let's not
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diminish it. There are in a lot of ways Denver
is getting cleaner. I think in the most expensive way
that you are. You are spending two hundred million dollars
to house and feed people who shouldn't be here, But
do you feel comfortable going downtown? Do you want to
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live downtown? Downtown is a place where young people start off.
I mean, if you're young, it's great to live downtown.
And then and then you make that terrible decision to
get married and have kids and downtown living just doesn't work.
You don't want to deal with it. You want to
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keep your car. So when I hear the mayor say
how safe it is downtown and how vibrant it is,
nobody believes that. I heard this once from a gun
instructor said, you know, people say they want to feel safe.
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They don't want to be safe, they want to feel safe.
And that's why gun control is so popular, because it
makes people feel safe, even though it makes people less safe.
And that's kind of the same thing. If crime goes
down in Denver, but you still don't feel safe, it's
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not going to help businesses. But here's the other part.
It's getting really hard to keep businesses open. The failure
rate for restaurants is ridiculously high. Why because minimum wage
is going up, but you gotta pay twenty bucks an hour.
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Big companies might be able to find ways to economize that.
Small businesses simply can't. The Family Leave Act, which is
about a one percent payroll tax, makes employing people even tougher.
Home prices are insane in Colorado, why because of the
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regulatory burden, urban growth boundaries and regulations. I mean, most
of the state is empty, but you can't build on it.
And if you did build on it, we've taken all
of our money that we put into transportation and instead
of doing our roads where ninety six percent of us
commute on, you put the money into Chuchu trains, which
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almost no nobody runs on. All of this is leading
to a breaking point, a breaking point I think we
need to get ready for because the turnaround could be coming.
Let's talk about how that happens. I'm John Calderic.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Keep it right here.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You're on six point thirty k out
According to at do Better Denver, the city's website being
down for Denver on Tuesday for ten hours might have
been an inside job. Also, city employees are calling in
sick to protest Mayor Mikey's reckless and irresponsible spending. Finally,
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HR wanted to cancel the city employees picnic. Mayor Mikey
says no, he wants the optics.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hmmm, that's a good way to start the morning. Good morning, Welcome,
Michael Brown is out of town. I'm John Caldera inform.
Please give me a call, chat with me. Three h
three seven one three eight two five five seven to
one three talk. Oh so much going on. Let's let's
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jump off on what we got this morning. The the
pardons coming out of the White House. Just for fun,
President trum has pardoned or commuted to the sentences of
twenty six people in recent days, including former Republican lawmakers,
reality TV stars, and a one time gang leader convicted
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of murder. This is this is good, all right? So
the big ones reality startups of Christy knows best now,
they conspired to defraud banks out of thirty million, thirty million,
and the idea was, yeah, but they had they had
family members who had some money that donated to the
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to the president. I got a real mixed feeling about this.
Let me let me throw this out there and then
we can fill in the cracks. There is something so
very wrong about our president making money off of his office,
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whether it's putting out cryptocurrency meme coins, taking free airplanes
from Qatar, or you know, getting pardons done in what
looks like exchange for for some campaign contributions. We could
go through and go through how much the president is
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making off of being president, and I think it's just
wrong and awful and terrible. At the same time, I'm
thinking it's kind of funny because all these politicians that
go to Washington seem to make a lot of coin
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outside of their regular jobs. The difference is our president
is so delightfully blatant about it. Do you know what
I mean? I think of people who've dedicated their lives
to social service, you know that's governmental service, because they
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care about the nation. How is it that a guy
like Bernie Sanders, who's been in office forever, is worth
tens of millions of dollars? How how is that possible?
You're you're a socialist, you get paid a couple hundred
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grand a year for being a senator. But yet over
time you've created quite a nice little nest egg for yourself.
Joe Biden has been an elected official, what's the technical term,
forever forever? How is it that he affords these beautiful homes? Well,
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we all have a suspicion. What's nice is that Donald Trump?
His grift is out in the open. It's kind of
it's kind of enjoyable. He let's grab a couple of
these phone calls piling up, three or three seven, one,
three eight, two five five. Good morning, don you're with
John Kelder. I'm glad to have you.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Hey, good morning. It's I hardly I'm able to call
you these days, especially on brand S Radio when you
do that program Saturday mornings.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Uh huh, you can still call me.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
I'm around, I mean well, I mean I'm busy. I mean,
all I'm saying is I'm busy a lot Saturday mornings. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, I'm hungover on Saturday mornings too, I understand.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, But this is something I wanted to talk about
with you because I mean I first heard about it
through Mandy Callin's interview, which I wasn't able to listen to.
But I look at the podcast descriptions and I just
brought up your opinion piece from Complete Colorado about an
unaffiliated future and why you do support the open primaries,
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and I'm with I'm starting to go with you on that. However,
you know, during the election night, also on brand Ath
Mike Rosen, who has been an icon in Denver talk
radio along with Peter Boyles hosting it. You know, stuck
by the old you know, vote Republican, vote Democrat, you know,
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binary choice, you know, believing that you know this is
the way to protect.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Let's bring listeners up to up to speed to where
you and I are as people are wiping the sleep
out of their eyes. I wrote a piece for my
column which is in the Denver Gazette and Colorado Springs Gazette.
It's also on Complete Colorado today, and basically, I'm throwing
my support and calling for open primaries. Now, I know
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a lot of Republicans get get freaked out about this.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
We have even Democrats.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I've heard, oh, Democrats even more so because they're the
ones I think have more to lose. So Kent theory.
The businessman Politico put something on the ballot last year
that failed, which is one of the first initiatives he's
bankrolled that has failed, and it had two parts to it.
One was what's known as jungle primaries, which means that
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instead of a Republican primary and a Democratic primary, you
have an one primary and unaffiliated candidates and Republicans and Democrats,
everybody who wants to run runs in this primary. It's
very similar to what they do in the city and
County of Denver for mayor, and then in a jungle primary,
the top two candidates go to the general election ballot
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for November. His proposal was the top four would go
and then we'd use this thing called rank choice voting.
I am cautious and skeptical for many reasons on rank
choice voting, and it seemed like many people were too,
and the proposal went down. My position is the idea
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of a jungle primary is an important thing, and I'm
now supportive of it. I used to be against it,
i am supportive of it, and what I want is
in order to bring some sanity back to Colorado government.
I think open primaries, that is a jungle primary, is
a key step towards it. And the reason is that
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in these suburban districts. I'm not talking rural districts which
are mostly Republican and urban are always communists. Yeah, exactly.
But in these swing districts of Jefferson County and Rapo County, Douglas,
El Paso, Adams, this is where the left wins because
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Republicans simply cannot get elected as easily as they could
in the past, but unaffiliated candidates who are somewhere in
between could. I believe Democrats have gone way too far
in Colorado. They're out of touch. But in Colorado in
swing districts, but.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They don't want to vote with them because they are
like you said, they like their weed, They support a
woman's right to choose. They support the LGBTQ. I mean,
maybe not the militancy of it or the attacks on
tax phillips, but they can get behind a gaze against
groomers in those times.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, let me draw that out just a little bit.
Here's I believe the political reality in Colorado. When Republicans
don't want to hear this, I'm sorry, but this is
the case. In the next ten years, twenty years, maybe
Colorado is not going to become an anti abortion state.
It's not going to become an anti cannabis state. It's
not going to become anti gay, and it's not going
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to become anti environmentalists. And for the next six years,
particularly in swing districts, Republicans will be tied to Trump
and those Trumps and Trump is hated in these swing districts.
Absolutely desponse.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't know what and I don't understand the hate.
Well I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I don't get it either.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
In the part. In part, it is the media, especially
up in Denver, especially with nine News, especially if they
still have a following. I don't know if there's still
the top dog.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Probably definitely they are.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
But whether you and IBS Colorado have done better news stories.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
But but go on, But it doesn't matter if you
and I like Trump. The fact of the matter is
Colorado in those swing districts, especially chalk full of single moms,
hates Trump. And if you're going to run as a
Republican in these districts, you might as well have a
swastika behind your name because that's how that's how people
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are going to be voting. So this is why we
have such communist rule in Colorado. It's why the Socialists
are in control of Colorado because in these swing districts,
crazy Democrats win the primary and then they went over
whatever Republican is there. If we had an open.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Time truth, I did support this amendment last year, and
I'm along with Mandy Connain, Ross Kaminsky, you know, and
their predecessor Mike Rose and stuck to the old system.
I only supported because of Dave Williams. That was the
biggest reason.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
And understandably many So imagine imagine what I would call
two point zero on this. Imagine a jungle primary, but
a regular fall election. It means that in where I
live up in Boulder, where there's never a Republican running,
there's no reason for me to be a Republican in Boulder,
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there's no primary devoted, you know, and if there is
a primary, there's no choice.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
You know. The funny thing is you like the Boulder culture,
you just don't like the politics.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I love the Boulder that I remember growing up, that
I grew up in, and I love some of the
aspects physically of boulders right up by the nestled into
the foothills and it's just beautiful.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But no, it's sort you're a big fan of sister
station KBCO.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Indeed, even though that's not technically in Boulder anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
But yes, I agree, they're still going to identify it
as KBCO Boulder without Denver, right.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But the point being up in Boulder, though, what happens
is the Democratic Primary is the race for whoever wins.
And if we had a jungle primary instead of just
a Democrat along with a a Republican who can't win,
and often no Republican at all with a jungle property,
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we would have a whack job socialist and just a
progressive Democrat. And I would tell you I'd vote for
the progressive Democrat over the communist.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Well, I probably vote for probably somebody that's a little
more to the center than flat out Oh yeah, no,
you lost my point.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
In the general I have no choice, Yeah, I have
no choice because there there is a socialist that wins
the Democratic primary and often no Republican at all, so
it's not even a race. We would bring back some
sanity if in places like Boulder we could have a
more moderate Democrat and a socialist battling it out in
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the general election those swing districts. In those swing districts,
that's where it really counts because we could get unaffiliated
candidates who are pro business, pro growth, anti tax, but
aren't socially repugnant to the voters in that district or
to the.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Group, or do the group think of the progressives and
the conservatives. I mean, you build the bill mahrs. I
mean that one, that one lady from Hawaii who's kind
of leaned right, and uh, you know, r f K.
You know, you know, you know you don't have to
agree with them all, but I mean you're kind of
seeing them, you know, move away from the far left.
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I mean JK ralling. I mean, it's not crazy about
men who decided to become women compete with the women
and kick their rear ends.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
No. Absolutely, Well, let's I'll tell you what. Let's back
up and let me ask you this. We the political
reality is in the new demographics in Colorado. We're not
gonna see in the next decade anti abortion laws, anti
weed laws, anti gay laws.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
But at the same time, you're not gonna have that
social Judeo Christian conservative right. You're gonna have to be
more like You're gonna have to be more like Neil Boortz,
who used to do talk radio in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
I believe that Colorado is not pro tax. I believe
Colorado is not pro regulation. I believe Colorado is not
pro woke, and I believe Colorado is not pro crime.
And so there are a lot of people who vote
for Democrats because they can't stand to vote for Republicans
for the Dave Williams reasons, and therefore we're stuck with
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this out of state, out of step government. Yeah, so
if there was, let me ask you this question, don
It's a November, it's an election, and in your district
there's a Democrat on the ballot and an unaffiliated candidate
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who's pro abortion, pro cannabis, pro gay, but he's anti tax,
he's anti regulations. He knows that Colorado's gone over the
deep edge with all this woke stuff. Which one would
you vote for?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I'd be voting for the unaffiliated person. I'd be voting
for the unaffiliated person.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Here's the reality. Fifty percent, fifty percent of all Colorado
voters are now independent. They're now unaffiliated. The party structure
doesn't work in Colorado, and it's a wake up call.
The people who will be scared of a jungle primary
will not be Republicans, it will be Democrats because the
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system we have now has allowed out of touch, wildly
progressive socialists controlling our state.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And this is why you're going to have these pending
court decisions, especially this court law. And apparently you know,
if your child decides to go trance, you got to
let them go and love them and honor their change.
And they and if their lives are messed up, you
know along the way, so be it. They can either
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regret it or they become the useful idiots for the
progressives never ending revolution, which I believe is the real goal.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Side note on that, you know, whatever your kids choose
to do with your lot their lives, you should love them,
you should support them, you know all those things. But
it doesn't mean that parents should.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Lose that right. It's not the parents that will disowns.
It's the states to the school system that are going
to get the children to disown them. That's the sad thing,
it really is.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And something I do want to bring up this morning
when we get some time to it is this bill
that the governor signed on thirteen oh nine, which which
pays for cosmetic which means you and I have to
pay for cosmetic surgery for men who think they're women,
but women who want cosmetic surgery can't get it. It's wonder. Yeah,
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we wonder why our healthcare costs and insurance costs are
out of control. The bills that the governor just signed
are an example of why we can't afford healthcare because
of the of the mandates. But we'll we'll get we'll
get to that as tough point taking, Hey, you have
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yourself a terrific more talking with nice, talking with you.
Three oh three uh seven one three eight two five five,
it's seven to one three. Talk it. I wrote a
column It's a complete Colorado dot com this morning. Please
check it out. And I'm asking it was begging Kent
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Theory to retool his initiative from last year and bring
it back, get rid of the ranked choice voting part
of the bill because he bit off more than he
could chew, and instead give us open jungle primaries. The
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Party faithful are going to hate this, but I see
it as a necessary step to save Colorado. Colorado is failing.
Colorado is on a knife's edge. It is teetering towards bankruptcy.
We will soon in the next several years be having
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rolling blackouts because of bad energy policy. We won't be
able to afford to pay our bills. Minimum wages are
putting small businesses out of business. The regulatory state is
out of control. We need to attack this, We need
to do something about it. Colorado will likely become the
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first truly unaffiliated pot state in the nation. Let's get
into that when we get back. I'm John Caldarien for
the Big Man.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Keep it here.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You're on six thirty.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Khow hey John. Yesterday Ryan said that you would probably
talk about Star Trek and he was wondering if, like
Captain Kirk, he liked the Green Alien ladies too, So
do tell to go for the Green Alien ladies or
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does it go even beyond that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Let's be honest here, I living in Boulder, believe in
multiculturalism and tolerance and celebrating diversity. So yes, the Orion
slave girls, Yeah, they're they're hot. Definitely if you're a
tricky you know what I'm talking about. And mind you
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Captain Kirk, I mean he'd hit anything that moved that
was back when, back when you know you could be
Captain Kirk. Now you've got to be some politically correct
star Trek character. We'll get into that later. Great question, though,
I'm an old Trekkie. Why because I believe people my
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age about sixty, it's like the only thing we have
in common. We were all raised watching the original Star Trek.
Poor kids today, they're all doing all these different things,
which is cool. But you know, you say, beat me up,
Scottie to them. They have no idea what you're talking about.
What are they teaching them in school? Give me a call.
Three oh three seven one three eight two five five.
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I'm John Caldera talking about a column that I wrote
for Complete Colorado and the Denver Gazette. By the way,
if you haven't signed on to Denver Gazette, you really
ought to. It's great to have a newspaper back in Colorado,
and I'm calling for Jungle Primaries. I believe it is
one of the few things that will get us back
to more sanity in Colorado. Let's go to the phones.
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Three h three seven to one, three eight two five
five James, Good morning with John Caldera.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Yeah, good morning, John. I listened to you on the
weekends on sevent ten and occasionally I catch you uh
on this station. My story is I was in a
a documentary with Stephen Tubbs called Denver and Decay. Yes,
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and we we did this downtown during the the riots,
and you know, it was a sad state of affairs
watching Denver burn then. And I made the statement in
that in that documentary that if Denver does not get
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a hold of the crime and the homelessness and the
drug addicts, the downtown Denver area will die. And that's
exactly what's happening now.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Now. My opinion is I think that there's probably.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Sixty five percent of the state of Colorado it still
thinks normally. And then you have the pollist Mike Johnson,
these fools that are making these decisions that are based
around just their people and what they believe in instead
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of Denver as a whole. I mean, it is scary
to see what is going on in downtown Denver and
the lack of businesses they're all leaving. It's just it's horrifying.
I predicted it during during that documentary and yeah, it's
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truly sad.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Well, it's interesting. I had a meeting with some folks
yesterday and they all believe that the homeless issue in
Denver has gotten a lot better that the crime is
better that there are fewer people on the street, and
I think there is statistic proof for that. But here's
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the here's the real truth. People don't feel safe in Denver.
And you're right, there are fewer homeless encampments. That's a
good thing, even though I think he went about it
the wrong and most expensive way there is. Crime seems
to be marginally better. But I got to tell you,
it's a guy who works downtown. It's not like I
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feel great about downtown. The people I know still don't
want to go downtown. It's not a destination spot, even
if you spend one hundred grand to rename the sixteenth
Street mall to sixteenth Street. And people act by their feeling,
not the statistics, and people don't feel safe and comfortable
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in downtown Denver. It's not where you want to go
and hang.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Now.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
You can go ahead and put as many festivals down
there as you want and bring in more concerts and
beer festivals, but it's not going to revitalize downtown until
there's until there's a reason that you feel comfortable living
and working and staying downtown. And people just don't feel
that way.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So I got it.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I got a point here to make thee I think
it was last week that Mike Johnson said, you know, basically,
we're broke. We're going to have to start furlowing people
government employees. Or fifty million dollars in a hole next
year's two hundred million dollars in the hole. And Michael
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Brown made the point that all of that money because
they're in the holes was because it was given to
subsidize the illegal aliens and the homeless encampments. Now, whether
that's completely true or not, I would say it's probably
played a big part of it. But can you imagine
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the feeling amongst those employees in a Denver Denver being
you know, and the Denver employees what they're thinking right now.
They might not say it, but they're thinking, Wow, you
put all them over us, and now we're going to
have to lose our jobs or furlough or whatever might
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happen to them. But yeah, yeah, it is. It has
gotten you know, John I had my when I was
in that video. The reason I was in that is
because I'm clean and sober sixteen years now, and I
was a homeless drug addic et cetera. But I I
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had pulled myself up to tough love in order to
be a very successful man today.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
And congratulations, by the way, that is I.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
It is, but it can be done. And I made
the I talked to uh Polis and I told him
I would offer him my experience for free because I
was running a drug program at the time, and he
said he didn't want anything to do with then. He
just wanted to make houses for the homeless. And that's
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the last conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
I said.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
I'm out. I can't deal with the thoughts like that
because if you do not deal with if you enable people,
they're not going to change. They're just going to say
the same. But I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I just havelf a great morning. I appreciate the call.
The number here's three oh three seven one three eight
two five five seven one three talk. Do you feel
safe in Denver? Statistically it's better than it was two
years ago. I don't think you can argue that. But
I don't see people rushing to hang out in downtown Denver.
I don't see people. Yeah, you might go to a
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show and then you get out. The people I know
wish to avoid Denver. It is on a death spiral,
and our caller's point is a good one that when
you spend two hundred million dollars on illegals, it means
there's two hundred million dollars you can't spend on things like, oh,
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I don't know, core functions of government, like fixing the roads,
making sure that first responders will be there, that bad
guys are in jail. You know, the stuff we pay
taxes for, the stuff that's always held hostage for the
other stuff. All right, three h three seven one three
eight two five five. I want to do you want
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to jump back on this this issue of jungle primaries,
because I've got a lot of static about this column
I wrote. Jungle primary is an interesting, interesting term. All
it means is instead of a Republican primary and a
Democratic primary, that we have one primary Republicans, Democrats, Greens,
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on affiliateds, Communists, Libertarians, whatever, and the top two winners
go on to the general election. That means, in places
like Boulder in Denver, people would finally get a chance
to vote on two different, pretend possible winning candidates. It's
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very similar to what Denver does with the mayor oral race.
You might recall that Mike Johnson and Kelly Bruff were
in a two way race after a jungle primary, and
it was a real race. There's no real race in Boulder,
there's no real race in Denver. When it comes to
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state House or state Senate, all of Colorado's governments are
controlled by the left. We have a progressive governor, we
have a socialistic House and a socialistic Senate. The courts
are overwhelmingly progressive, the cities are overwhelmingly progressive. The problem
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is we don't have any choice. And here's the reality.
And Colorado Republicans hate facing political reality. Republicans are the
minority minority party. The majority are unaffiliated. They're independent of
any party. They they hate both parties. Here's my observation
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that while now half half of all Colorado voters are
not affiliated with a party, there's still not pro tax.
They're still not pro spend, they're not pro crime, they're
not pro woke, they're not pro regulation. They just cannot
handle the moralistic side of the Republican Party, which invades
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the image of the party. They cannot handle Trump, so
they won't vote for an r Now I'm talking in
swing districts. You live out in the rural areas, you're
going to vote for an r. There is a huge
opening for unaffiliated common sense candidates to win in Colorado
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if only they could make it to the fall ballot.
But they don't make it to the fall ballot because
they can't make it through the primary. Would you like
to have a system where for your state House, your
state rep for governor, for cent for attorney general instead
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of this system we have now that we have an
open primary, which means that perhaps next fall we have
two Democrats running for governor, it would probably be the
Ag and Bennett instead of maybe just Phil Wiser or
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Bennett versus a Republican who has no shot of winning.
I mean, they're wonderful people running for Republican nomination. I
hate to be the one to tell you there's no
Santa Claus. But none of them are going to win.
None of them, Scott Bottom's Baisley, Greg Lopez, none of
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them are going to win the general. Wouldn't it be
nice if we were able to get a more moderate
Democrat to win, or heaven forbid, somebody who is not
of either party. My senses, most people are tired of
both parties. Give me your thoughts three or thirty seven one,
three eight, two, five five in for the big Man.
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I'm John Kelderic keep it right here, six thirty kow.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
No, I don't feel safer in Denver than two years ago.
Although Mayor Mikey is touting that homicides are down statistically
twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five, shootings are up
three hundred and forty percent, so they're just not as accurate. Also,
let's talk about stabbings. Stabbings are huge now. I never
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remember hearing about stabbings, and we also know that numbers
can be manipulated and have been in the past by Denver.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Stabbings are up, but that's that's just stabbings. It's not
it's not like it's a gun crime. So who cares.
Figure caller is absolutely right. People don't feel safe in Denver, period.
And I know people who work and love Denver saying,
oh no, it's getting better, it's getting better, and they
have a point, they really do. Let's not let's not
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diminish it. There are in a lot of ways Denver
is getting cleaner. I think in the most expensive way
that you are. You are spending two hundred million dollars
to house and feed people who shouldn't be here, But
do you feel comfortable going downtown? Do you want to
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live downtown? Downtown is a place where young people start off.
I mean, if you're young, it's great to live downtown.
And then and then you make that terrible decision to
get married and have kids and downtown living just doesn't work.
You don't want to deal with it. You want to
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keep your car. So when I hear the mayor say
how safe it is downtown and how vibrant it is,
nobody believes that. I heard this once from a gun
instructor said, you know, people say they want to feel safe.
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They don't want to be safe, they want to feel safe.
And that's why gun control is so popular, because it
makes people feel safe, even though it makes people less safe.
And that's kind of the same thing. If crime goes
down in Denver, but you still don't feel safe, it's
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not going to help businesses. But here's the other part.
It's getting really hard to keep businesses open. The failure
rate for restaurants is ridiculously high. Why because minimum wage
is going up, but you gotta pay twenty bucks an hour.
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Big companies might be able to find ways to economize that.
Small businesses simply can't. The Family Leave Act, which is
about a one percent payroll tax, makes employing people even tougher.
Home prices are insane in Colorado, why because of the
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regulatory burden, urban growth boundaries and regulations. I mean, most
of the state is empty, but you can't build on it.
And if you did build on it, we've taken all
of our money that we put into transportation and instead
of doing our roads where ninety six percent of us
commute on, you put the money into Chuchu trains, which
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almost no nobody runs on. All of this is leading
to a breaking point, a breaking point I think we
need to get ready for because the turnaround could be coming.
Let's talk about how that happens. I'm John Calderic.
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