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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yes, I was just wondering about this word dictionary and
where would I go to look it up.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
This is what I love about this audience. I love
this audience. We are not on the brink of World
War three. Iran is a threat if it goes nuclear,
if it doesn't go niccular, it remains a threat insofar
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as their proxies will continue. And by their proxies I
mean Hamas, which is essentially almost completely destroyed now, the Huthis,
which have been pretty much eviscerated, but they're not completely gone,
and all of the other militias that they around the world.
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I listened last night very closely to the former Pakistani
ambassador to the United States talk about Pakistan's current relationship
with the Iranians, and his information is that Pakistan is
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not supporting the Mullahs and in particular Ayatola Kamene and
his battle with the Israelis, because Pakistan understands that a
nuclear Iran is a threat not just to the world,
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but in particular to Pakistan itself and the kind of
standoff that we have between Indian and Pakistan. Pakistan is
the only Muslim majority nation in the world that I
say that we know of that, and I believe it's true.
I don't think the Sadis or anybody else has nuclear weapons,
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but is the only Muslim majority nation in the world
with nuclear capabilities, and they understand the power of that,
and they've come up to the brink many times with India,
and they don't want because they're rash, because the Pakistanis
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as backcrack crazy sometimes as I think they are are rational,
and they don't want world War three. Nobody wants world
War three. Even Beijing does not want world War three.
And Plutin, for all of his threats about using nuclear weapons,
does not want to do that do it either. Tehran
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is largely a paper tiger increasingly limited capacity, but that
would all change if the Ayahtolas regime acquire nukes. Their
potential is a global threat depends entirely on the Isaeler's
regime acquiring a nuclear weapon. Now that's going to surprise
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those who adhere to the foreign polishist, the foreign polished
policy establishment's views, but it is in fact a cold
hard geopolitical reality. Gaining nuclear capability would transform Iran from
a paper tiger into a genuine menace, and it would
happen overnight, and you take and couple that or tie
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that to the fundamentalist ideology that dominates Tehran's leadership. The
Cold War logic of mutually assured destruction, which has deterred
nuclear weapon US since World War Two, would not restrain
the Iranians. Allowing them to obtain nukes would be a
gamble with potentially, I think, more likely than not, absolutely
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catastrophic stakes. If you've been bitten by a dog once,
and particularly even more than once, then you're scared of dogs.
We're scared of four over wars. We see, we remember
those of us old enough too. We remember Vietnam, We
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remember Afghanistan, and we don't remember Afghanistan, just in terms
of our involvement. Those of us again old enough to remember,
understand the old Soviet involvement in Afghanistan. We remember Iraq,
and we remember Afghanistan post nine to eleven. With our involvement,
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and those four ever wars turned into complete disasters. And
as I've said numerous times, they turned into disasters because
we did not have a clearly defined mission. Go back
to the Gulf War. The Golf four had a clearly
defined mission. Can you tell me what it was? I know,
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you can push Sodom Hussein out of Kuwait. That's it.
That was it. That was a well defined mission accomplished
in a record amount of time by American troops that
amassed for quite center for months. He knew we were coming.
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It wasn't hidden. He knew we were coming. And we
showed up and we pushed him out and we left.
And what I find fascinating is many people complained at
the time, which I know a lot of Americans have
forgotten that. They were all mad at Schwartzkoff. They were
all mad at hw Bush because we didn't continue on
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in to Bagdad and eliminate Sodom Hussein. That's because that
was not the mission. The mission was push him out
of Kuwait and restore kuwaits and their oil fields back
to their own ownership. And we did. We accomplished that,
and we were done and we left. But we don't
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remember that. We remember Iraq in Afghanistan. We remember Iraq
in Afghanistan because we didn't have a clearly defined mission,
We didn't have clearly defined goals. We didn't know what
we were trying to do. We do here and Trump
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has been clear about what America's foreign policy with regard
to Iran. He has been clear and has never wavered
in that stance, a pledge he has made repeatedly, both
in office and on the campaign trail. This is not
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new stuff in terms of Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
And that was a license for them to make nuclear weapons.
And you cannot let Iran have a nuclear weapon. You
cannot let it happen because bad things will happen if
that happens.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And that was a license, and he's right, bad things
will happen. He said, excuse me, you try to hell
these stund bites in order. You can't give them nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Everybody stop. They were ready to make a deal. We
would have made a deal that was great for everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
No nuclear weapons. You can't give them nuclear weapons. Now
they're gonna have a nuclear weapon. No, you can't. You
can't give it to them. You can't.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Don't let Iran have nuclear weapons. That's my only thing
I have to tell you today.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Don't let them have it. They would have never had them.
That's all the way back in twenty twenty that's October
of twenty twenty three. Again later October end of October three.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Including around we would have they can't have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That's all. They can't have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It's too too destructive, too powerful.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
They can't have it. He said it again.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But I wanted to make a deal with them. No
nuclear weapons. You can't have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are
the single greatest threat to this world, to.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
The whole world, and victory to the whole world, the
single greatest threat to the whole world.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But I wanted to make a deal with them. No
nuclear weapons. You can't have nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are
the single greatest threat to this world, to the whole world.
And Victor Orban understands that, and some others do too.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
In fact, I would before let me I'll come back
to that in just a second.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I just don't want them to have a nuclear weapon,
and they weren't going to have one. And I just
don't want them to have a nuclear weapon, and they weren't
going to have one.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
See it's he's consistent, totally consistent. He cannot have a
nuclear weapond.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
That was the only thing, the one thing I said
you cannot have.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
They cannot have a nuclear weapond. That was the only thing.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
The one thing I said you cannot have.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
They can You can't have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I just didn't want a Rand to have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I said, you know, we're going to make a great deal.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Everybody's going to be happy, You're going to be rich
as hell again, everything's going to be great. But you
cannot have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You cannot. You can't get the drink.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You can't let a Ran have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
You can't have you let's just keep going.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
A Ran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Very simple. They cannot have a nuclear weapon. We're on
the campaign trail at this point.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Instead, we have a very hostile country that wants nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Can't let that happen. Can't let it happen. He says.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
The main thing is Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That was my main thing.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The deal was a simple deal.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
A Ran can't have an nuclear you know, it can't
have a missile, can't have a nuclear missile.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
It cannot have that nuclear capability.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And Iran should not have a nuclear weapon. They should
have never been in a position where they could have had.
If I were president, they wouldn't even be thinking about
a nuclear weapon. And now they're months away from getting one.
Because Biden doesn't have any idea what he's doing. He's
grossly incompetent and he has no idea. Iran should never
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be allowed to have a nuclear weapon, and Biden should
never have allowed them to get this far.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And they can't have a nuclear weapon. It's very simple.
They can't have a nuclear weapon. You cannot let Ran
have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I can't have it with Iran.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. It's very simple, very simple.
I hope we're going to be friendly, but they can't
have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
They can't have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
And we were all set to make sure that they
don't have a nuclear weapon, because once they do, it's
a whole different world. It's a whole different negotiation. And
I'm not looking to at them. I want them to
be great. Let them be happy and good. But they
can't have a nuclear weapon. And now they're very close.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
To having one, and.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
It's very dangerous for the world, very dangerous of the world.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Biggest the biggest problem today, in my opinion, your biggest
risk is the nuclear weapons. The weaponry is so powerful today.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
He's really, he really is a man of peace. He
does not want them to have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
I want them to be a strong country. I just
don't want them to have a nuclear weapon. It's very simple,
very simple with Maria Bottle.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Dangerous to be talking about impacting.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
No, you don't want nuclear facilities. You care to let
them have a now gluw wear.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
He's dangerous to be talking about impacting.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, you don't want nuclear facilities, you care.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
To let them have a now gluw wear. And you
have to understand, I didn't want much. All I wanted
is you can never have a nuclear weapon. I didn't
want much. I wanted around to be very successful. Well,
I just don't want them to have a nuclear weapon, right,
because that's the real threat.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
The real threat isn't global warming. The real threat is
a threat is nuclear warming. Nuclear warming. I love that phrase.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
All I wanted was I ran, can't have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I just wanted It's all I wanted.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Burst simply, you can't have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You get the drift.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And I would have been very good to rand They
head to have one thing, No nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You can't have nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Nuclear weapons are the greatest danger to our country going forward,
to the world.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Going goes on and on and on. I mean, I
just you know, I ran, can't have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Nuclear weapons are the greatest single threat to our country,
but to the entire world.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
To the entire world, not just our country. And then
dex sir.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
This is a national security presidential memorandum that seeks to
impose maximum pressure on the government of the Islamic Republic
of Iran. Many of these provision are similar to actions
that your administration took during your first administration. The basic
idea here is to have every department, in agents, or
in many departments and agencies in your government attempt to
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sanction and control Iranian activities, particularly relating the Iranian nuclear
program and the Iranian export of terrorism through support of
various proxy groups abroad. And the intent here is to
give you all of the possible tools to i'd say,
engage with the Iranian government to ensure that going forward
they are less of a malign actor on the world stage.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
So this is one that I'm torn about. Everybody who
wants to be to sign it, I'll do that. It's
very tough one Iran. It's what we had before. We
would have never had the problem. You would have never
had October seventh. We would have never had the problem
had the election gotten a different way. Which you should have,
but this one I think more than made up for it.
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I think we're doing things that is more than made
up worth, much more historic. The Iran situation. Hopefully I'm
going to sign it, but hopefully we're not gonna have
to use it very much. We will see whether or
not we can arrange we'll work out a deal with
Iran and everybody can live together, and maybe that's possible,
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and maybe it's not possible. So I'm signing this, and
I'm unhappy to do it, but I really have not
so much choice because we have to be strong and firm,
and I hope that it's not going to have to
be used in any great measure at all. It'd be
great if we could have a Middle East and maybe
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a world at total peace. Right now, you don't have that.
When I left, you had peace all over the world,
and now you have the world is blowing up. As
you know. BB is coming in to see me later,
Others are coming in to see me.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
We'll see what we can do.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
But I'm signing this, and hopefully it will be a
document which won't be very import will hardly have to
be used.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
So what kind of would you be well, we're going
to see.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
I mean, we're going to see they cannot have a
nuclear weapon. With me, it's very simple. Iran cannot have
a nuclear weapon. We don't want to be tough on Iran,
we don't want to be tough on anybody, but they
just can't have.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
A negrew I would you want to block the sale
of the running oil, Well, we have the right to
do that.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Then that's what I did before. And they had no money.
They wouldn't have had the money for Hamas or Hezbila
and anybody else. I just it could have been solved
this thing.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
If things went the way they should have, this would
have been over long ago. But it's not over.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It's not over. They cannot have a nuclear weapon. I mean,
don't you get that now. Since the second inauguration, the
political right has been divided on how to address this issue.
But I think we had to familiarize ourselves with the
realities on the ground in Tehran and how that should
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inform the policies and the geopolitical interests of this country
and our allies on the global stage. Back in February,
Trump restored, as he just you heard in that SoundBite,
the maximum pressure campaign from his first term against the
molas that rule Iran, reversing the Biden administration's appeasement focused
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strategy visa the Iran Now putting aside the nuclear program,
Tehran is more boxed in both politically and militarily than
it's been in years. And the restored Trumps sanction followed
those four years of the Biden administration actually empowering Tehran
by rolling back to sanctions, granting its government tens of
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billions of dollars in access to all those frozen assets.
The molas U use that money to secure the internal
power of the Islamic regime that rules a very politically
diverse country. Iran is a very politically diverse country, but
you would not know that because Iatola Komine runs it
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with an iron fist, and all those monies went to
empowering their proxies abroad. Has belonged Lebanon, the Huthis and Yemen,
all the different Palestinian terroris factions, and the Israelis. They
spent those four years mopping the floor with those proxy
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forces and all the aligned militant networks, and they severely handicapped. Today,
Iran is severely limited in what it can achieve very severe.
Iran is severely limited in what it can achieve in
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the region. Its conventional military forces are even prior to today,
were disorganized, unprofessional, very incapable of doing very much on
their own. Now that's separate apart from the kuds forces,
but their standing army was a bunch of gomer piles.
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With all due respect to gomer Pile, their intelligence apparatus
has been utterly destroyed. All of the command and control
systems for all the military, including the cuts the Kud's forces,
that that has been completely destroyed. Now, I don't think
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there are any indications right now that the regime, that
the Ayotole himself is in danger of being toppled, but
I don't have the intel that that obviously the president
and that net Nya than others have, but I don't
see those in the public domain anywhere. But he probably
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is in hiding. He has no support system around him
at this time. Now. Iran has trading partners, They've always
had trading partners, but so does Cuba, so does North Korea,
and I don't think that will necessarily change, although it
could change in a moment's notice, and that would be
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if they actually successfully acquire a nuclear weapon, because if
they do, then Tehran will have obtained the ultimate form
of geopolitical leverage that is available on this Earth today.
And if you don't believe me, just look at Russia, China,
North Korea. The cascading effect would quickly become a nightmare
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for global stability and it would probably spark in arms
race in the Greater Region. If they acquire nukes and me,
Saudi's and probably Turkey, They're gonna make it their mission
to go nuclear in a flash. Now in the West,
not all but a lot of analysts have at least
subconsciously brought into the idea of mutually assured destruction mad
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The doctrine explains why the planet hasn't turned into dust
or wasn't turned into dust during the Cold War. But
it would be it would be quite the stretch to
apply the mutually assured destruction doctrine to a country led
by a bunch of Shia lunatics that follow in Islamic aspetology,
which seeks to bring about the end times. I don't
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know about you, but I'd rather not test whether the
Molas are legit enough to use a nuclear weapon with
the hopes of expediting armageddon. Sure, even jihadists can sometimes
irrational actors, but it's probably not worth betting the entire
world on the thesis. On that thesis coming to fruition.
And I know the political right is considerably over the
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Iranian issue, but there are a lot of factions to
be considered here. However, the real divide is over whether
one would support a surgical strike versus a potential military campaign.
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And Trump has given no indication of a military campaign
versus a surgical strike. The Israelis completely control the Iranian airspace.
How you completely control it right now. So if we're
to try to get into that one bunker that is
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several miles deep inside a mountain, then the Israelis would
need bunker busting bombs delivered by a B two B one.
We can do that. And if Trump's mission, if the
mission assignment is to destroy their nuclear capability, not regime change,
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not boots on the ground, not taking over the country,
but just using America's military might for a very well defined,
limited strategic objective a bunker buster bomb into that one
or two mountains. There are three facilities the codor I
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forget the name of the one cohoraor code or I
forget the name of it off hand, I don't have
it my notes. That's the one that's the deepest. Now
we don't know, but there could be over the next say,
I don't know, today's Tuesday. Let's see the next twenty
four to ninety six hours. The Iranians, which they did
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in Syria, could have operatives in place that would be
able to access the mountain and destroy it from within.
All we're doing are putting in place that if the
Israelis do not have that capacity, or if that mission fails,
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then we could deliver a couple of bunker buster bombs,
retreat back to the aircraft carriers, move those strike forces
back instead of the eastern part of the Mediterranean, move
them back into the western part of the Mediterranean, move
them out of the Persian Gulf, and we're done. America first,
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clearly in America First policy. But the Tucker Carlson's of
the world, the Steve Bannons of the world, are all
I think, so dog bitten and so afraid of the
forever Wars that they're complete letely blinded by Trump's singular singular.
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Somebody said on the text line, let me pull it up.
I'm sensing a theme here, something like Iran can't have
a nuclear weapon, says you were number forty four sixty seven.
Listen closely to what Trump's been saying. That's all he wants.
He hasn't talked about regime change, he hasn't talked about
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eliminating the Iola culminae. He's talked about they cannot have
a nuclear weapon. Now, knowing how diplomacy works, simply because
I've traveled with the President of diplomatic missions, I've been
with the Secretary of State on diplomatic missions now, and
I wasn't in all the conversations, but I know secondhand
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well some of those conversations were. And there is no
question in my mind because what Americans fail to comp
not all Americans, but many Americans failed to comprehend is
that sometimes Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Immirans, Kadar Oman,
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some of these Middle Eastern countries have to, for domestic
political reasons, say to the Israelis, hey back off. At
the same time that they're saying to the Israelis, hey
let's get these Abraham Accords going again, there is a
mutual enemy among all of the Muslim countries in the
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Middle East and Israel, and that is Iran under control
of the Mullahs, under the control of Ayatola Komene. They
just don't talk about that publicly. But the Saudis are
sick and tired of the Houthis. They're sick and tired.
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Why do you think, for example, why do you think
Egypt in the on the southern tip of Gaza have
built a gigantic wall and refused to take any refugees
because they don't want those people and they don't want
Hamas spelling over into their country. Why do you think
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the Saudis absolutely support our attempts, which we have not
done very I don't think we've done a very good
job of it of eliminating the Houthis, because the Houthis
are as much a threat to us as they are
to the Saudis. And the same is true for Oman,
for Cutter, for Uae, for Kuwait, for all of those countries.
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They're in the in the Arabian Peninsula. So there are
all of these open conversations, they get reported in the media,
and then they're all the back channel conversations. So for
the Tucker Carlson's of the world. Look, I the Meyer,
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Tucker Curlson, not so much Steve Bannon, But I do
Tucker Curlson. I think he's kind of gone off the
deep end here, and I understand why he's been bitten
and he is. Look, I don't want to forever war.
I don't want to bog down in Iran. But if
we can provide a strike force that is in and out,
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no boots on the ground whatsoever, not even have to
worry about you. If you haven't, I guess I have
to lead you directly to it. But according to our
friend in El Paso, but if you have not seen
the destruction of the F sixteen sitting on runways, then
you don't understand exactly how total control the Israelis have
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of the Iranian airspace. And in fact, if you look
at the number of missiles that are being lobbed into
Israel from Iran, those numbers are diminishing. And you know
why because the Israelis, with both their intelligence on the
ground and with their technical technical capabilities, every time a
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missile is launched toward Israel, they know exactly where that
launchpad is, where those launchers are, even though they're mobile,
so what do they do? They instantaneously take them out.
So the number of missiles getting into is Israel continues
to almost have every day one hundred and one day,
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sixty the next day, thirty the next day. And I
haven't heard of any today. Now there may be, but
I just haven't heard of any yet or tonight as
it is there. So what we're really witnessing is actually
an America first policy. And I know many people disagree
with me about that, but that's how I perceive it.
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It is, oh, we have a mission. It's as if
there is an assignment, and the assignment is Iran cannot
have a nuclear weapon period. Okay, Israel, if you want
to engage in regime change, we're not going to discuss that.
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But if your mission is to destroy their nuclear capability,
then we'll help you just with that. That is, using
America's strength and our military in a limited finite and
a definitive goal eliminate that capability. Doesn't require boots on
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the ground, and we don't. I mean, you'll always worry
about it, but you don't even necessarily have to worry
about Oh my gosh, we send the b ones, the
b two's over into Iranian airspace. We have to worry
about them being shot down? No, because technically right now,
I mean, you'll still worry about it. But the Israelis
control the airspace. So the more launchers they take out,
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the the more limited ability that we have to or
the more limitability they have to strike us as we
send a bunker busting bomb to eliminate those three facilities.
And then and then we go home, and Israel continues
to do whatever it wants to do. Mission accomplished. That's
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America first. That is recognizing I'm not going to get
into a forever, forever war, but I am going to
accomplish my mission, and it is to prevent this regime
from getting a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Hey, Michael, get real, nothing will change until the Ayatola
and his staff are dead.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I don't disagree. You're not listening to what I'm saying.
I'm talking about our involvement. We're not involved in the
regime change. That's up to Net and Yahoo in the Israelis,
and I can guarandemn to you that Massad is working
on that. And that's why you see this public disagreement
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between Trump and Yahoo about whether or not they should
assassinate Aatoa kumin A. Trump's not going to say yes,
because that's not one I don't think he believed. I
think he probably does believe that they need regime change,
but he that's not his philosophy. He's going to let
them do that. We're not going to get involved in that.
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And I think that's that's where I think, even like
Tucker Carlson, is missing the whole three D four D
chess that Trump is playing here. It's truly America first,
and he knows that the Israelis are going to go
in and assassinate Komena or eliminate him or driving from
the country, and they have enough day the Israelis have
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enough assets on the ground that if there is a
color revolution sparked, I can guarantee you that massade is
going to help spark that revolution. But all we're doing,
which I'm just trying to get everybody off the edge
of the cliff, We're not invading Tehran, we're not invading Iran.
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We're going to provide some tactic, very limited tactical support,
and I think that is indeed the essence of America First.
We're not going in to facilitate. We're not doing what
Linda Graham wants. Linda Graham wants boots on the ground.
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Trump doesn't want boots on the ground. I don't want
boots on the ground. But if we can take if
we can take perm an air base in Qatar and
launch a B one or a B two and drop
some bunker busting bombs, send them back to the air base.
We're done with our part Israel. Now we've eliminated the
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nuclear threat. Now whatever you want to do, have at it.
Fasaubis will cheer that, the Kuwaitis will cheer that, the
Emirates will cheer that cut our might cheer it a
little bit because they're a little iffy sometimes