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June 20, 2025 • 33 mins
This Molly Ball WSJ article on Trump and immigration made me lose it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Barning from South Dakota. I've been on vacation. Anything going
on in the news. Everyone have a great day.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You know. It's interesting that he leaves a talk back
about his progression like through Amarillo and Tennessee or Kentucky
or wherever the hell he went, and then nothing about
his return back to the Dakotas, just shows back at
home and feels compelled.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
To oh, I'm back, as if we care, we don't care.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Mollyball, Mollyball, Mollyball, Mollyball. Mollyball is a graduate of Cherry
Creek High School. She was raised in both Colorado and Idaho.
As I said, She's a graduate of Cherry Creek High School.

(00:49):
She attended Yale University. She wrote for the Yale Herald.
She graduated back in two thousand and one. She had
an internship with the Washington Post. In two she went
this is according to the.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Book of Knowledge.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Aka Wikipedia. In O two she moved to Cambodia spent
a little over a year there reporting for the Cambodia Daily.
She got set came back to the United States for treatment.
Then she went to work for the Las Vegas Son,
the Las Vegas Review Journal, Politico, The Atlantic Time and

(01:29):
Now reports for the Wall Street Journal. She happens to
be married to David Kahara, who is an editor at Politico.
In twenty fifteen, James Toronto, who is a wonderful editorial
page editor of The Wall Street Journal, criticized Molly Ball's
treatment of a Trump supporter because she had written an

(01:49):
article in The Atlantic titled the Ecstasy of Donald Trump,
and she described a supporter of Donald Trump as a
person with a leathery complexion and yellow teeth. James Toronto
argued that that was an instance of media bias and

(02:10):
certainly was disrespectful toward ordinary citizens. In twenty twenty one,
she wrote an article for Time magazine, The Secret History
of the Shadow Campaign that Saved the twenty twenty election.
Saved the election from wallall from Donald Trump Now. While

(02:37):
Ball characterized the story as protecting election integrity, the critics
started questioning her journalistic ethics and her objectivity. Then, in
December of twenty nineteen, kind of jumping around here a
little bit, Mollyball and The Atlantic magazine were sued for
defamation and invasion of privacy in Japan by the family

(02:59):
of Bernard Krisher over a piece that Ball had titled
when the presses stopped published back in twenty eighteen in
Again in the Atlantic, the case went to trial, settled
in January twenty twenty four. As part of the legal settlement,
Atlantic Magazine made a bunch of deletions, corrections, and clarifications

(03:21):
to the article, including correcting Mollyball's claim that Krisher, who
happened to be her employer at the Cambodia Daily, did
nothing to help her with a health insurance issue, which
was actually proven to be utterly false because of emails
showing that Krisher had indeed done everything he could to

(03:44):
attempt to help her. Additionally, Ball was required to erase
and destroy all copies of the photographs this she had
taken without his knowledge and consent during her visit to
their private quarters in Seve two thousand and seven, just
out of curious. It's just because it's funny. She won
one hundred thousand dollars on the game show Who Wants

(04:06):
to Be a Millionaire. I was up extraordinarily early this morning.
I just couldn't sleep because I was so anticipating, you know,
a Rod coming back to work today that I was
like giddy, you know, I was just I couldn't wait
to get up, so I laid in bed and I
read this morning's Wall Street Journal. Well, I shouldn't say
all of it, because I got bogged down in this

(04:27):
story on the front page, Trump is losing political ground
on immigration. The subhead is Administration's aggressive deportation push has
alarmed voters, including some of the president's supporters. And I thought, well,
that's interesting, and then I looked, Oh, it's written by

(04:49):
Molly Ball. Yes, so let's deconstruct this article because it's
fascinating to me. And not only is it fascinating to
me her writing it, and the language and the things
she says and quite frankly the things that she does
not say, but it's also a bridge to something about

(05:12):
America is because let's go back to the headline, trump
is losing political ground and immigration. Administration's aggressive deportation push
has alarmed voters, including some of the president's supporters. You know,
that might be partially true, and I got a real
bugaboo about that too. So this story kind of got

(05:32):
the adrenaline going way too early this morning. Let's just say,
you know, school's supposed to be at at three o'clock.
You're not supposed to be waking up at three o'clock
in the morning. Here's the story. Let's see if we
can't work our way through this, the Trump administration's aggressive
deportation program. I you know, maybe I can quipple with

(05:57):
the word aggressive, but if if it's aggressive, it's a
limited aggression because we're focused on.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Criminal illegal aliens, the worst of the worst.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Now we're beginning to spill over a little bit into
some other just you know, shall we just say plain
old illegal aliens. But she was to make sure that
it's you that you read the story, you understand that
it is an aggressive deportation program that she writes, is

(06:33):
testing the political bounds of what Americans will tolerate, spurring
a backlash from voters and some Republicans, and testing the
administration's resolve. All right, So there's the premise of the
entire article. First paragraph. You got to grab the reader
in the first paragraph. There it is, Okay, she's grabbed me,

(06:53):
and she's already pissed me off, because I don't buy
into that, into that completely, she says in the paragraph.
Federal officials in recent weeks have stepped up raids on
work sites and farms seeking to fulfill President's Trump President
Trump's pledge of mass deportations. The move has sparked alarm

(07:14):
in immigrant communities and street protests. So it's also sparked
street protests in Los Angeles and other cities. So what.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Am I supposed to be upset about?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
That? Am I supposed to be up somehow? The move
has sparked alarm in the immigrant communities and street protests
in Los Angeles and other cities. Okay, Well, the lawlessness
in Los Angeles is because they've got a Marxist mayor.
They got a completely dumb masked Jared Polish junior governor

(07:52):
for mayor in California by the name of Gavin Newsom.
And if immigrant communities, oh I love that word community.
If immigrant communities are alarmed, you know what? I see
these stupid ads, and I do think they're stupid. These

(08:13):
ads with Christine Nome on television all the time, usually
on Fox News, which I'm thinking, how many illegal aliens
are watching Fox News?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
But I digress in which she says, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I'm here and I'm supporting Donald Trump's you know, Donald
Trump's been wonderful and blah blah blah, and by the way,
if you'll self deport, if you'll turn yourself in and
self deport, we'll get you an airplane ticket, we'll send
you back home, and we'll give you a thousand dollars.
So want your self deport And I'm not opposed to that.
I'm just thinking, really, we're gonna spend money advertising on

(08:45):
Fox News and you have to talk about how great
Donald Trump is. Why don't we just do a public
service announcement that on all the networks, in all the channels.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Do you know even do a PSA on this program.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I don't financially benefit from it, but just do a
p YES on this program that says, if you're in
the country illegally and you don't want to be deported,
you can self deport and we'll give you an airplane
ticket in one thousand dollars. And by the way, if
you have children, you can make a choice. You can
take your kids with you, or you can leave them
back here. If your kids happen to be American citizens,

(09:20):
you get to choose. We don't force you, but if
you are here illegally, we're going to come and get you.
We're going to deport you. The same paragraph ends. Last weekend,
Trump directed that arrests be paused at farms and hotels,
only to reverse the directive days later. The back and forth,

(09:41):
she writes, is a sign of the confusion and conflict
within the administration.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
What confusion? What conflict?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I'm not read anywhere in all the news that I
consume that there's any conflict within the administration about deportation.
There may be some discussions going on about Okay, you know,
mister Homan misknown, how are we doing on the criminal
illegal aliens? And what are we doing now? Do we

(10:15):
have a plan to move on to the next phase?
You know, in fact, from based on my personal experience,
I know those conversations are going on. But how has
that assigned a confusion and conflict within the administration, which,
she writes comma which faces the administration, which faces pressure

(10:36):
from businesses and some Republicans to dial back enforcement, even
as it is under pressure from the Magabase to pick
up the pace. Republican members from of Congress from California, Texas,
and Florida have publicly urged the White House to get
priority to deportations of criminals rather than migrants who have

(10:58):
resided in the US for lawng periods and have otherwise
obeyed the law. The chairman of the House Ad Committee,
Congressman Glenn G. T. Thompson, a Republican from Pennsylvania, called
the farm raids just wrong.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
The co founder of.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Latina's for Trump, Florida State Senator Elena Garcia, wrote on
x that the administration's actions were unacceptable and inhumane and
not what we voted for. She goes on to quote
Ryan Garcia, a former interim lightweight boxing champion who endorsed
Trump last year, which I say, hey, Rod, you haven't

(11:36):
know who Ryan Garcia is. I mean, okay, all right,
thank you. Mister Garcia writes, I may have voted for Trump,
but I can't stay silent about what's happening with Ice
in Los Angeles. We can, we can have borders without
losing our humanity. And that's where I finally just lost it.

(11:57):
I just you know, what, do you want to deport
illegal aliens? Do you want million illegal aliens or as
many as we can get out of the country, or
are we truly soft as a nation? And the first
time we see somebody that gets deported and Mollyball goes

(12:18):
to the Wall Street journal and writes a really sad
story about it. Do we then just capitulate and go, oh, no,
we don't want to do that. That's just no, No,
that's not what we've Yeah, that's exactly what I voted for.
That is precisely what I voted for. And let me

(12:39):
just say this to the chairman of the House a Committee,
Congressman Glenn Thompson, a Republican from Pennsylvania, who calls the
farm raids just wrong. Why tell me what's wrong with them?
Maybe I'll go talk to the farmers too. And while
I love farmers and ranchers, Uh, do you know why

(13:01):
it's easy? First of all, do you know why Americans
won't go pick you know, the avocados or the strawberries
or the corn, or you know why they don't pick corn?
But whatever it might be, do you know why they
don't Because you're busy hiring people at lower wages, exploiting
people who are here illegally sending all their remittances back

(13:25):
in you know, through Western Union, back to Mexico or
wherever they're sending it to, and so you'd never you
never give them a chance. Yesterday, in talking about the
old Glenn what's his name that has the the meatpacking
plant in in Omaha. Well, apparently those are jobs, and

(13:47):
those are tough jobs. You ever been to a meat
packing plant? I mean it's really brutal. It's tough. If
you if you want to really know where your your
bone in Ribbi comes from, you got to go to
a meat packing plant.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Uh. If you're a.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Wuss like many Americans seem to be, you probably will
never eat a bone in Rebbi again. But if you're
a total a hole like I am, you understand that.
Oh God gave us dominion over the animals. We do
it in a humane way, and we raised them so
we can you know, That's why God gave us cattle,
so that we could have you know, protein, and so
I you know, in fact, tonight I may just go

(14:23):
have a good bone in Rebbi just for the fun
of it, just because it sounds good and tastes good too. Anyway,
that meat packing plant, once they got raided and all
the Verify stuff turned out to be false, he had
lines of people lined up looking for jobs. So don't
give me this bull crap about how this is what

(14:44):
we voted for, and you know they're doing jobs that
Americans won't do, and then she writes, presidents of both
parties have historically hesitated to pursue large scale immigration enforcement
in the country's interior precisely because it tends to be
politically unpopular. How can you possibly say that when I

(15:07):
think that is the defining reason that Donald Trump won
last year's presidential election because of illegal immigration. Now, of course,
because we're now actually we're actually now doing something, Americans
have become soft. We become soft about so many things.
You know, we're raw, raw, raw about defending Israel until suddenly, oh,

(15:32):
he might have to drop a bomb, and then everybody goes, oh,
my gosh, we can't do it. And then of course
people like Molly Ball jump in and say, oh, well,
look there's a division in MAGA about it. Or Tucker
Carlson goes and interviews Ted Cruz, which I made the
mistake of listening to that interview yesterday, and holy cal
you know, I have to say to Senator Cruz, my

(15:53):
respect for you has increased because you didn't choke Tucker
Carlson to death. And I have to say to Tucker Carlson,
someone who I actually also respect, uh qulit be such
an a hole.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
If you're going to ask a question, let the senator
answer the question and don't play these little games about Hey,
a Rod can ask you a question real quick. Do
you know what the population of Iran is?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I do not?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I mean me either, No freaking clue was what about Tehran?
Do you know what the population of the just the
capital city is?

Speaker 1 (16:27):
No? You don't either, Well then you don't.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Then you then you cannot talk about the Iranians Raeli conflict.
That's what That's what I got from the cruise. Tucker
Carlson interview. Yeah, oh uh. Trump's deportation volleyball rights. Trump's
push for deportations far from the border has begun to
trigger a backlash in public opinion, with polls showing his

(16:50):
approval rating on immigration and deportations, formerly one of the
strongest issues, has now turned negative. You know what, That
depends on which poll you look at, and that depends
on the wording of the poll. If I wanted to
do a poll that that supported her contention, I could

(17:13):
find a poster who could word the question the right way,
and I would get the answer that I want. And
then I could write an article that says, oh, opinion
polls show his approval rating on immigration and deportations has
now turned negative. This is the lousiest, crappiest reporting. But

(17:34):
I'm not done because she does go on to site quinnipiare, oh, quinnipef,
we're talking about this article Mollyball hasn't in this morning's
Wall Street Journal about how Americas don't support deportation, and

(17:56):
she cites Quinnipiac. So I I thought, you know, let's
go to see what the Quinnipiac poll shows well on
their landing page or the landing page to her link
that she has in the story. Majority of voters opposed

(18:17):
Republican budget bill UH sixty seven percent of Republicans in support.
Quinnipiac University poll finds Trump job approval thirty eight percent.
Handling of Russia Ukraine war lowess among the list of issues,
blah blah blah blah blah. Then you finally get down here.
Voters were asked about Trump's handling of seven issues. But
I cannot find anywhere what was the question, So listen

(18:41):
to this. Here's what Quinnipiac says on its website. Voters
were asked about Trump's handling of seven issues. One, immigration issues? Well,
what the crap is that? What which immigration issues? There's
about one thousand immigration issues that I could list, and

(19:03):
it says forty three percent approve, fifty four percent disapprove,
with three percent not offering an opinion. What's the margin
of error? What you know? What's the MOE on this?
And what were the questions? What were the specific issues
you asked about? Because then next is number two, just

(19:25):
the word deportations. Forty percent approve, fifty six percent disapprove,
four percent not offering an opinion? What was your question?
And what's the breakdown in terms of the demographics Republicans
versus Democrats? You know, maybe uh, legal immigrants versus illegal immigrants?
Where'd you get your number? You see, just citing the

(19:47):
poll without telling me what the poll asks doesn't tell
me anything. But this is another example of how polls
are used to form opinion, not to reflect opinion. And
this is exactly what Molly Ball is doing in this article.
She's grasping a number out of a poll where you
can't find the question, the margin of error, how's the

(20:09):
question worded? And she uses that to as the basic
foundation of the entire story. The Republicans are falling apart
when it comes to immigration. Then she gets where was
the let's see, oh in the next paragraph, people are real.

(20:29):
This is this is her writing, This is this is
Molly Ball's reporting, a product of Cherry Creek High School.
People are reacting to the way Trump's immigration policies have
played out, and they don't like what they see, said
Democrat poster Molly Murphy.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Huh, I'm shocked.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
You mean a Democrat poster, without citing a poll, says
that people are not liking they don't like what they see.
Huh huh oh, why, I guess I must be wrong.
She goes on to quote Democrat poster Molly Murphy, A

(21:12):
majority support the policies, a majority opposed the enforcement. People
like the idea of typing the border and cracking down
on illegal immigration, but they view the administration's conduct as
capricious and unfair. Still citing this Democrat poster, Trump's muscularity
on immigration has always been a source of strength, but

(21:33):
pulling people out of their homes and workplaces and.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Schools seems cruel.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Can you cite me some examples of where we're pulling
you know, just you know, ordinary illegal immigrants, not criminally
illegal immigrants, pulling them out of their homes, out of
their workplaces, and pulling them out of schools. Somebody sent
me some examples. Somebody send me some links to her.

(22:01):
You know, show me, show me some video of that happening.
In her surveys, Mollyball writes Americans by a forty point
margin of posed deporting people without due process or in
violation of a court order, or conducting rage at churches, schools,
and hospitals. Oh my god, We're going into churches in

(22:23):
the middle of the Lord's prayer and grabbing people by
the hair and hauling them down the middle of the
of the pews and throwing them into a paddy wagon
and hauling them off and disappearing them like you know,
a Chinese communist regime. This is such bull crap, such
utter bull crap, Which gets to my point about it.

(22:44):
What I've always said about the Wall Street Journal. Love
the editorial page, hate the news reporting. Just listen to
this again in her surveys, which she does not cite.
In her surveys, America by a forty point margin opposed
apporting people without due process. One there is already in

(23:08):
our law limited due process for illegal aliens. But the
nuance is totally lost on this woman and on Mollyball,
the reporter, or in violation of a court order, black
court orders, the Trump's complying with them, or conducting raids
at churches, schools, and hospitals. I mean, so are we

(23:34):
breaking it?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
You know?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Can't you just see ice agents in full tactical gear
in a fifth grade math class some you know, small
elementary school somewhere in rural Colorado, you know, kicking in
the door and just you know, okay, all you white
kids over against this wall. All you brown and black
kids over against this wall. You Asian kids, You're smart,

(23:56):
you stay at the back wall. And now all you
brown kids just come with us and fraud marching, you know,
fifth graders out to you know, to some patrol car
and throwing he was back in, you know, with the
with the guard between them in the front seat, and
then slamming the Dora on and hauling them off. I mean,

(24:17):
I'm sick of seeing that on the television all the time,
day in and day out. What bullcrap, what other bull crap.
But I mean I could go, you know, Frankly, I'm
just tired of deconstructing the story. But let's think about something.

(24:38):
Let's think for just a moment that there probably are
a lot of Democrats, and I would venture to say
Republicans who don't like what they see. Even well, we
already know democrats because they flew down to Al Salvador
to have margarita with with the guy that was involved

(24:58):
in trafficking Abrego Garcia or whatever the crap his name wasn't.
I just don't give a ratsass when we start doing
what we say we're going to do. This is a
parallel to why we can't win wars because when we

(25:21):
actually do what we need to do to win a war,
or the problem is, most of the time the generals
are not allowed to do what they need to do
to win a war because war is ugly and enforcing
the law is ugly. If you know, we have taxpayer
belief shots today, and let's see, just to give you

(25:46):
an example, the just the one at the top of
the list, Brentwood, Pennsylvania apartment resident shoots and kills an
intruder now, and it says that's an award winner. That'll
probably be a really good taxpayer relief shot. But if
we were to watch the video, or if we were

(26:07):
to actually see the aftermath of that act of self defense,
I'm going to assume that since.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
It's dead, the intruder is dead.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
That if if we were to what they'll show on
the television, of course, is they will show the body
laying out in the front yard somewhere, and the medical
examiner will have, you know, a blanket over it, so
you can't see the body, and you won't see the
blood in the house or the shot out window, or
you know, you won't see, you know, the family that
was scared feaciless because somebody was breaking into their home.

(26:44):
You won't see all of that. So we sanitize everything.
Everything in life gets sanitized, and we don't deal with
the reality of what it's really like. So the guy
that bled out on the front yard, I mean, I'm
just making it because I've listened to it, as you know.
But if the guy bled out on the front yard
and he got blasted by a shotgun, well he's probably

(27:06):
got you know, he's probably got pit marks all over
his face, all bloodied all over his chest and legs
and everywhere else. You know, he gets blasted by a
tending gauge and he's breeding out. It might be a
little you know, gray matter, you know, from the brain,
something laying out there, and it's and it's pretty disgusting,
it's pretty gross, but it's reality. It's the reality of

(27:32):
what happens when you exercise self defense and when and
the reality is that if we're going to deport illegal
aliens as we want done, then that means it's sometimes
going to be ugly.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
I go back to the commercial about Christinome offering one
thousand dollars in a plane ticket if you go, well,
if if if a couple came here illegally, let's just
say two years ago during during the Biden flood, and
mama was pregnant when she came across the border, and
then she got to Denver and she dropped a baby.

(28:08):
That baby's now an American citizen. That baby can stay here.
You know, if they got somebody, if they got you know,
some legal citizen that's here that wants to take care
of the baby, well the baby can't stay here. But no,
mama's gonna want to take that baby back to.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Mexico with her.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
And so Mama's gonna be crying because oh, you know
I wanted my child that grew up in Mexico, Well,
we grew up in the United States. Well you should
come here properly, but you didn't, so now you're going
to go home. And then Americans start, oh, well, that's
that's really sad. Why why are we such wusses? Why

(28:45):
why why are we so willing to just suddenly uh,
oh my gosh, we can't we want this done, and
we start doing it like, oh my gosh, we don't
want this done.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Wake up.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Because for those that can't deal with the reality, I
would say, you have absolutely been propagandized and brainwashed by
the cabal. You either want it or you don't. Perhaps
you can take my dissatisfaction with the cabal and it

(29:18):
will give you, you know, the tools and the means
by which to explain that we're all being propagandized. You know,
I posted on X eleven hours ago uh one, two, three, four,
see three six things forty chess, head fakes, psyops, narratives, language, propaganda,

(29:50):
And after listening to those six items, I just stated,
nothing is as it seems now not all. Don't get
me wrong. Forty chess is not always wrong. You and
I both play four dy chess when it comes to say,
salary negotiations or benefit negotiations, or even negotiations with our kids.

(30:15):
Head fakes. Who hasn't used a head fake at some point?
I've used a head fake in a courtroom, you know,
saying something that might seem outrageous to the witness that
the witness goes whoa, and suddenly that witness is viewing
the truth.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Psyops.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I can just tell you from personal experience that I
know for a fact that psyops are used by our
intel agencies. But so do people in ordinary life. You know,
businesses do that. The media feeds us narratives all the time,
and those narratives become locked in and it takes. Sometimes

(31:00):
you can't erase the narratives at all. Sometimes you can't
counter it. You can try to counter the narratives, but
sometimes you can't overcome the narratives. There are narratives about
me that are simply factually untrue which I will never
be able to overcome. So I just had to learn
to live with it. And in terms of propaganda, both
sides engage in propaganda. The point is, nothing is as

(31:23):
it seems, So the casual, you know, the business person
or the casual reader of the Wall Street Journal, sit
down and read Mollyball know nothing about her background.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
You now know all about her background.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
She has been accused of being biased, being prejudiced, being
anti Trump. She's married to an editor at Politico. I mean,
what more do you need to know? She's been sued
for actually lying for libel and slander and had to
settle the case, and the Atlantic magazine had to take
down the story. And here she is over in the

(32:00):
Wall Street Journal talking about how we're getting soft on immigration.
But even though she lies throughout the article, or at
least leads you to believe that all everything's bad by
citing a Democrat poster whose poll she does not side
or give a link to. It's propaganda designed to dishearten you,

(32:23):
designed to make you think that everything's failing. And while
I while I'm sick, sick of it, it's just another
example of how I'm not going to stop reading the
Wall Street Journal. I'm not going to stop reading the
La Times or the New York Times of the Washington Post.

(32:45):
And even if I wasn't doing this program, I'd still
be reading those newspapers. Why Because I always want to
know what the enemy's doing. I always want to know
what the other side is doing, and I need to
understand what the other side's doing so that I can
form my own opinion based on logic, reason, and facts

(33:06):
versus an opinion piece that appears on the news page
of the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I hope you learn to do the same thing.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

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