6-30-25 - 8am - 14th Amendment and Governor of Colorado

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael nas and Canadian citizens whose kids were born here
in America and before Trump was elected the first time,
they were kind of freaking out that their kids would
lose their citizenship if you were elected. Did they lose
their citizenship? I'm pretty sure they did not, And I don't.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, I'm curious. Why would they freak out? I think
I know the answer. Let me answer what I think
is going on. Because they had heard from the cabal that, oh,
my gosh, nobody's gonna lose our citizenship.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Oh not at you.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm at the cabal, and how people fall for the
crap that they continue to spew out all the time.
So let's let's let's let's restart the subject because I'm
not quite through with it yet, because I very strongly
believe that the framers of the of the fourteenth Amendment

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never intended for someone who comes to the country illegally
two parents illegally. Now, if if they come to the
if one parent comes to the country illegally, the other
parent is already a US citizen, that baby is going
to be a US citizen under the fourteenth Amendment.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
But two.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Like the whole baby tourism thing, you know, you come
to the country illegally, you drop a baby, and now
you got an American citizen, and now you.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Get to stay because we're not going to separate mother.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
From child, and the child is now entitled to all
the Fifth Amendment due process rights we have. We have
twisted ourselves into a pretzel simply because the progressive left,
the Marxists in this country wants to flood the country
with illegal aliens, and not because of declining birth rates,

(01:57):
but because they want to make sure that they maintain
the Democrat majority and they don't lose those majorities or
those congressional seats in places around the country. Oh, they'll
tell you about how, oh, we need them to serve
our dinner, or to mow our yards or whatever the
kind of bull crap they use, which I find to
be incredibly racist. So what's the purpose of Trump's policy?

(02:21):
To restore some cohesion, some coherence? Coherence is the better word.
To restore some coherence to citizenship and to stop the
abuse of the current loophole which has fueled that birth
tourism I just spoke about. And of course chain migration,
as the briefs submitted by twenty two Republican led States

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rightly note in the case, the prevailing interpretation actually incentivizes
illegal entry into the country for the express purpose of
securing citizenship for their offspring. The effect of that is
to allow foreign nationals to circumvent our existing immigration law

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through an accident of geography. Oh, they just happened to
be born across the Rio Grande.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Oh they just happened to be born in an La
County jail.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
That was never the intent of the fourteenth Amendment, which
was enacted in eighteen sixty eight, which that year ought
to mean something to anybody who's had studied anything about
American history. It was enacted in eighteen sixty eight. It
had a very specific historical purpose, and that was to
ensure at the federal level, to say, to the states

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that were in rebellion, to secure citizenship for freed slaves
in the aftermath of the Civil War. Prior to the ratification,
some of those formally enslaved individuals were denied citizenship by
virtue of their race and their status, even if they

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were born in the United States. So they adopted the
Amendment to rectify that kind of injustice. They wanted to
ensure those that were born within the country and owing
political allegiance to the country could not be excluded from
citizenship and therefore from the rights and the protections of citizenship.

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They never, in their wildest dreams conceived it as some
sort of global guarantee to anybody who could just drop
a baby on American soil, regardless of your immigration status,
regardless of your jurisdictional ties to the United States, just suddenly, boom,
you get to be an American citizen. You know, if

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that's the case, why do we have any Why do
we have any separate immigration laws at all? Why do
we have the immigration and naturalization actually nineteen thirty four?
Why even have that? It's solely unnecessary if you buy
this interpretation of the fourteenth Amendment. So, I think the
Trump's policy is very reasonable. It does not deny birthright

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citizenship to those born here, to lawful permanent residents. It
does not take away citizenship from anybody. It merely applies
and puts in place a constitutional filter at the front end,
asking do the parents have permanent legal and status and

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a political bond to the United States. Well, if not,
then that child that's just been born, that child's status
is the matter of the parent's home country, and that
is the standard in many nations, including almost all of Europe, Canada,
the United Kingdom. They've narrowed their birthright citizenship policies in

(05:59):
recent dayscades without descending into fascism, as all these critics
seem to suggest that Trump's trying to do. And indeed,
I think that the critics of this executive order are
not afraid that the executive They're not. Their real fear
is not the Trump's executive order will fail, their fears

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that it will succeed, that it will start a long
overdue judicial reconsideration of the citizenship clauses, meaning and that
will expose the intellectual falsehoods of their cherished assumptions. And
I think that will resonate with the general public that
is really tired of this legal bull crap and these

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legal fictions and the open border ideology that we keep
getting told that we're not very compassionate about that they
cloak everything in compassion. I'm out of compassion. I'm out
of compassion when all this is nothing more than a
political ruse to get people into this country so they

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can be counted as citizens, so they can manipulate them
into voting democrat.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
I'm also out.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Of compassion for just ignoring the United States Constitution and
applying whatever in the moment they think is going to
further their political interests. You know, when you think about it,
what Trump's executive voter does it reframes the debate from

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these emotional slogans to the real legal meaning. Are we
a country defined by laws or are we a country
defined by our compassion? And so we go look for
a loopho to take care of our compassion. If it's
just about emotion the former, then jurisdiction must mean more

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than geography. It must mean allegiance and subject to the
jurisdiction thereof many people here, and subject to the jurisdiction
of meaning that, oh, you're in this country. And Michael,
you keep telling us that if you're in this country,
whether you're here legally or illegally, then if you get

(08:20):
if you're speeding, you can get a traffic ticket. Yeah,
well I got a traffic ticket. I got a parking
ticket in Italy one time. Does that make me d
subject to the jurisdiction thereof Yeah, for the purpose of
that parking ticket, not for purposes of my citizenship.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
This is you know, this is not a radical idea.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
It's the very principle that makes a sovereign nation a
sovereign nation, and I think it's time that we return
to it now. What's interesting about the Court's decision in
Trump vi. Casa is that they did not and while
I wish they would have addressed the issue of the underlying,

(09:11):
the underlying subject matter, which was this executive order, they
did not do that. And I think it's important to
understand why they did not do that because many may
be thinking to themselves, well, they had this case in
front of them. It had to do with the executive
order about birthright citizenship. Why didn't they just go ahead

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and hear that. Because that issue never got to trial
at the federal level. So you would, in essence being
you would be asking the United States Supreme Court to
hear a novel legal issue without ever having worked its

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way through the system. The only thing that worked its
way through the system was the procedural issue, the procedural
legal issue of whether that judge can enforce a nationwide
injunction about this executive order under existing law. And the
Court said, no, you cannot do that. So we're remanding

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that case back to you. Now here's what I war
I want to warn you about this. I don't know
that they've done it in that particular case yet or not.
But the reason I've gone to such extent to not
a great extent, but I think as much as you
need to know about class actions because I think that

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will be the next step. Why will that be the
next step? Because that will get appealed. That will also
prevent the birthright citizenship clause from getting to the Supreme Court.
So if in the original case Trump v. Cossa, which
has now been sent back to the district court, if

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they now approach it, if the if the plane is
trying to stop the birthright citizenship clause, now try to
define a class of individuals. Now Here's why I think
they'll have a hard time defining a class, because the
class is always expanding and narrowing. It's growing and it's decreasing.

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Some come here, they don't necessarily stay come Some may
choose not to come here, and so you're dealing with
people that are not even here yet that may be
thinking about coming. You're going to have to really narrowly
define the class as to people who are currently here

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under these very limited circumstances that I've outlined, and if
they can get that class certified, then the issue about
the class certification will be appealed, which will be another
procedural appeal, not a substantive appeal on the issue of

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birthright citizenship itself. Now I know, I know it drives
me crazy too. It probably drives you crazier because as
non lawyers, you're thinking to yourself, well, why can't they
just get to that issue, Why can't they just get
to that Well, I wish they would. But the way

(12:34):
to get to that issue is for a trial judge
to have a trial.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
This is why I.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Think it in front of a different court, and maybe
somebody can find a different court to bring another similar
case in front of and actually have a trial at
the federal district court level about the meaning of the
fourteenth Amendment. Then that becomes a ripe issue that would
go to let's just say that it happen in Denver, Colorado.
If it happened in Denver, Colorado, it would then go

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to the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals, which just ironically
also happens to be in Colorado, and then one or
both parties depending on who wins or loses. One of
the parties would then appeal that to the US Supreme Court,
and bam, we would have the issue of birthright citizenship
in front of the US Supreme Court. So maybe some
legal group somewhere can start another lawsuit in a court.

(13:27):
And I know I'm kind of ending it forms a
judge shopping here, but find a judge that is willing
to No, I'm not going to grant any sort of
temporary restraining orders. We're just going to put together Okay,
we'll do the normal motions for some rejudgment, motions to dismiss.
We'll do all those normal procedural things. We'll set a
trial date. We'll get a scheduling conference going, we'll set

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down time for depositions and interrogatories and everything else. We'll
set a trial date. We'll have a trial. Do you
want a judge trial, do you want a jury trial,
whatever you want. I think this maybe just be a
trial to the court and then we'll get an appeal
to the Tenth Circuit and then we get it to
a Supreme Court.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
I mean, that's possible.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
But none of this about the Fourteenth Amendment itself is radical.
Before anybody jumps down my throat about citing John Eastman.
John Eastman is regardless of you know, the California Bar Association,

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the California Supreme Court has disbarred him. They disbarred him
because he was involved in some of the election denial cases.
And without getting into the details, I think they did
him an injustice. I don't think he should have been disbarred,
at at least in as far as California's concern. I

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don't know of any other jurisdiction that's disbarred him.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
So if you hear that.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Somehow that John Eastman has been disbarred, don't read too
much into that. He's still a legal scholar. He's still
a brilliant legal scholar. I just think he got caught
up in all the other stuff that all those other
lawyers got involved in when it came to the twenty
twenty election. Forget that. It doesn't take away his expertise

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on this. So just to sum up, because I really
do what you understand. Fourteenth Amendment all persons born or
naturalized in the United States. And it's not an or,
it's an and, and the subject to the jurisdiction thereof
are citizens of the United States subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

(15:50):
That's when the Senator Jacob Howard, who wrote the amendment
introduced it in eighteen sixty six, explained that that clause
excluded foreign diplomats and their families and also Indians not taxed.
So what could he have possibly meant in eighteen sixty

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six that it had applied to, Oh, slaves, slaves who
were in this country, born in this country, some of
whom were not brought over from other countries, but who
were in this country subject to the jurisdiction they were citizens.

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And the purpose of the fourteenth Amendment was to prevent
states from denying slaves their rightful citizenship. You see when
you kind of blow away, let the sunrise, let the
fog kind of dissipate, and you really just focus on. Oh,

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here's the history of why they did that. And by
the way, they also excluded Indians not taxed. Indians not
tax didn't all become citizens in until nineteen twenty four,
nineteen twenty four. They were then with the Indian Act

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nineteen twenty four, were made citizens and became subject to
fully to the jurisdiction of the United States of America.
This also has to do with a gospel over it,
but subject to the jurisdiction thereof also has to do
with political allegiance. When you come to this country the

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lawful way and you take you apply for citizenship. I
think my friends who have applied and become naturalized citizenship,
do they still love their home countries of the United Kingdom,
Taiwan or even Canada gifts? But they now have a

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loyalty to the United States of America. Do you honestly
believe the people that come here illegally and work in
the shadows or criminals, that they have a loyalty in
this country?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
They do not, Michael, I recently drove from Evanson to Denver,
and I counted the poddles and I eighty and from
Evanson to Shayanne, there's about nine poddles. Then I crossed
into Colorado and on n thirty five down to Denver,
I lost counta about a couple of miles. This place

(18:41):
is just destroyed by this communist people.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
So I'm gonna let you derail me for just a moment.
I know you're shocked, dragon, but just bear with me.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
So what do we do? What do we do? I forget.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
I know, within the past couple of weeks, and again
I know I conflate times. I don't remember when it was,
but either in a Michael Brown minute or in content here,
I made the comment that I'm so desperate for some
honest to goodness conservative libertarians hells bells right now, I

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take a moderate. That's how desperate I am to run
for governor, to run for the politbureau, to be a
state senator or a state representative, to be county commissioners.
But it seems to just be that the Republican Party

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has a horrible Oh, they're not very good scouts, they're
not very good recruit roots. They since we no longer
have closed primaries, we got open primaries, why don't we?

(20:09):
And many of you are going to get pissed off
about this, but I'm trying to be practical and understand
that we're going to have to figure out. It's got
to be a great combination of personality, communication skills, no baggage,
ability to either instantly fund themselves or have the ability

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to raise.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
A feecs ton of money to run for governor.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
And I say governor because I'm not dismissing at all
if if, on the other hand, we could find enough
recruits to run for the State House in the state Senate,
and let me just Kathleen Chandler over the independence and

(21:01):
does those local government classes. She had one a few
weeks ago. I'm sure she'll have another one again. All
you have to go is just go to I TWOI
dot org and search for local government and you'll find
whenever her next class is. But do you know what
I love about those classes is that it teaches you

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how to get involved at the most basic local level.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
I would encourage you to do that. I don't care.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Whether it's a planning commission, it's a water district, it's
a park board, a library board, maybe even a library board.
Just get on something because that builds why to builds
your skill set. But two, it builds your name recognition,

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and then you know, and do a good job. Don't
have it up. Do a good job, and then you know,
maybe you can go from being on the library board
or the library board, or or the water board, and
then you can be on the planning commission, and you
can be on the city council, and then you can
become a state repor state senator. But and then we

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can start turning it around. We're not going to turn
it around in one election and the Republic and while
I'm sitting here begging and pleading for you to do that,
there will be and I've had to say this before

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the people. Some people will text me and say, well,
they'll send me an email. I'm going to run for governor.
And when I start digging into who they are or
their background or anything else, then I have to be
very harsh and say, when are you willing to lose?
Don't be running just because you want to run because

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you want to change. You want to run to win.
You know the bronc Now the Rockies are a different story.
They take I shouldn't say. This is cruel to say,
uh so, let's just stick to the Broncos. The Broncos
take to the field with every intention of winning. They
don't get on the field willing to lose. They know

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they might. There's there's a fifty to fifty chance one
team or the other is going to win. It's gonna
be a win or a loss. I guess die. But
somebody's gonna win, somebody's gonna lose. The same is true
in politics.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
But to win.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
You have to do what the Rockies are not doing,
and that is you've got to You've got to commit,
You've got to have the fire and the belly for it.
You've got to commit, and you've got to recognize that
that will become your life for at least a year
or longer, preferably two years, because in that two years,

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you will be doing nothing but getting up at six
o'clock in the morning and traveling somewhere or working the phones,
working with, you know, a small staff that is going
to help you to start putting together position papers, making
the connections. You're going to go to every rubber chicken,
dinner and lunch you can possibly find. You're going to

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be doing nothing but walking neighborhoods. You're going to be
doing nothing but cutting spots for radio and television and
even some newspapers. You're going to have to have somebody
who's going to be able to do the marketing for
you online, and you're gonna have to trade and everything
that you're talking about. You're either going to have to
write a check for out of your own account, or
you're gonna have to make sure that you're out there

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spending at least fifty percent of your time raising money
to pay for all of those things I just described.
If you want to if you're run for you're running
for governor, you want to go down to tell you right,
you want to go down to Cortez. You want to
go to Craig. You want to go to Stirling. You
want to go down to Campo. You want to go
don't go to Campo, No ALLDU respect to Campo, but

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you want to go to Lamar. Well, first, you're going
to have to drive in the beginning, because you really
can't afford a plane unless you're self funding and you're
a bazillionaire, So you're gonna have to drive. Well, while
you're driving, guess what you're going to be doing. You're
going to be making phone calls seeking volunteers, volunteers, raising money,

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doing everything. This is a more than full time job.
You know how I talk about how I do show
prep twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
I mean that is literally true. And so when you're
running for all, I guess I'm trying to paint a
really awful picture to make sure that you've got the
fire in the belly to do this, because that's what

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it takes to run for a state house district. You're
going to have to walk that neighborhood with friends and
family and relatives and anybody you can find volunteers to
knock on doors to reach every voter. You're gonna have
to check off the vote. You're gonna to keep track
of voters that slam the door in your face and

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say I'm a Democrat. You're gonna have to work those
voter rolls to figure out who's who. And then you're
gonna have to make sure you got to get out
the vote camp. I mean, this is this is one
hell of a job to undertake. And oh, by the way,
the Denver Post and Kyle Clark at nine News are
gonna come at you, and you're going to run and
jump at the opportunity to be interviewed by them because

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you want the exposure. But you're gonna have to know
how to deal with the fact that Kyle Clark, if
you're running as a Republican, wants to draw and quarter
you and get you to say anything stupid so he
can make fun of you and try to help your opponent.
And the same is true with the Denver Compost and
for that matter, it may be true with even like

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the Denver Gazette. I'm not gonna disparage them, but that
it very well could be true. So you're gonna have
to be ready for that. Maybe see your tax returns, please,
maybe you see your your W two's. Oh, by the way,
how did you afford that? You seem to be driving
a really nice car? How do you afford to drive
that with the job that you've got? Oh, you inherited

(27:08):
some money? Well, what what was that? You know, every
kind of every question, everything that you don't want somebody
to know about.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Somebody's going to be digging them about.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Having said all of that, there's not about it. There's
nobody in this audience that's going, well, damn, that's had
a fun time. I think I'll go do that. I
think I'll go run for office. But if you care,
if you really care, you'll think about it. I just
encourage you to get the advice of some and as

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much as I deride the consultant class, I want you
to get the advice of either people who have been there,
people have done it before, either as a candidate or
as a campaign manager, or somehow's been involved in it.
Get their advice. Let them read you the Riot Act
and nothing. Basically, put you in a room with a
single light bulb and tie your you know, by your wrists,

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let you hang and kick the chair out from under you,
and let them swat you a few times with a
whip to make sure you really want to do this,
because that's what they're going to do to you. And
if you think that my use of the term cabal
is overwrought or overused, well then wait till you throw
your name in the hat to become a public official.

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Then you'll see the cabal.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
I know.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I've been there, and I know what they're like, and
they're awful. They're despicable human beings.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
But we need you. We need you.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
That's the only way we're going to turn this state around.
You want to fix the potholes, you know, here's what
here's what bugs me. And I'm going to I'm I'm
personally going to get better about doing this. I just
feel like I do it a lot here because I
know that people on certain governor's staffs and certain legislators

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listened to this program, so I know the word gets out.
But what we should all be doing is hounding everybody.
Every chance we get there is a text which shows
you how frustrating it is, but nonetheless you still have
to do it. If I can find it real quickly,

(29:32):
I'll read it to you. Fifty three ninety one. Maybe
you're the one that called I called c DOT for
Region four and asked for pothole repair after another rain
and a LT project for actual repaving of Highway eighty
six a couple of weeks ago. The representative was completely

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unsympathetic and said highways all over northeast Colorado are in
horrible shape and have safety concerns, but no urgency for
Highway eighty six. No pending projects in the budget for repaving,
Damn Polis, No pending projects in the budget for repaving.

(30:17):
You should have asked the little bureaucrap we should probably
wouldn't have had the answer for well, why not? Or
reach out to your district representative on c DOT and
ask why are there no projects in the pipeline where
you know? Did the governor cut some money out of
your budget? Where did that money go? What's that money

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being spent on? How are you advocating for it? Who
in the legislature told you? Who in the Polot burero
told you which committee told you weren't getting any money
to do.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
This or to do that.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
And the same with county commissioners. It's not just the
Polot Bureau, it's county commissioners. You know, I'm really sick
of Like in Douglas County, they spent all this time,
energy and effort on trying to do home rule, which
was a bunch of bull crap and it went down,
you know, seventy five twenty five or something, as it
should have. They need to focus on the things that

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they need to be doing as commissioners, not home rule.
They sold you a bunch of bull crap about what
home rule was going to do. And if you don't
believe me, just asked the two counties in Colorado that
tried to do it and see how what it really accomplished.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I'll tell you what you run for governor and I'll
be your driver.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I'll take you all over the state. Yeah, we'll become best.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Budge.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
It sounds like the worst part of it.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And I'll never be seen again either. True, they'll never
find the body and he won't be accused of murder
because it would be about everybody'll be saying, thank you,
you did you know, you did the state a great
public service.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
He'll be celebrated as a right, He'll.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Be celebrated as a hero. Tamrall will be like, you know,
how much do I owe you?

Speaker 3 (32:05):
He'll be.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Can you imagine? And but but let's think about that
seriously for a moment. Although he would drive the environmental wacos,
the members of the Church of the Climate Activist nuts,
but maybe do your campaign out of an eighteen wheeler
Dad track attention. You know, put your name and logo
on the side of an eighteen wheeler. Get you you

(32:29):
know a has a really nice cab with a really
nice sleeping area in it, and you can just you
can just travel the state. It would instead of tennis shoes,
you got an eighteen wheeler.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Blast that air.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Blast that air orn every stop you make, every intersection,
just blast. People will be constantly looking at your name. Yeah,
you'll have a name recognition pretty quickly. But the idea,
how long do you think before I just either jump
out of the truck going sixty five miles an hour?

Speaker 3 (33:03):
You know, well five, huh, who the hell's driving sixty
five right now?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Well, it's rush hour, everybody, Well, they're extra driving thirty
five right now. At some point I'd have to, you know,
do one of those Tom Cruise, you know, skit stuntry.
You jump out of the moving airplane or the truck
and you just you do the role somehow, you don't
break an arm in or leg and you jump up.
Just call me Tom Cruise, Junior. Kathleen must have been listening.

(33:35):
Thanks for the shout out. If someone ran only on
fix our damn roads and really hammered that that alone
might cause them to win. Clean the roads, you know,
sweep up the homeless, get rid of the sanctuary status
for the state, do all of those things you might
actually be able to win. But then I get this one.

(33:58):
It doesn't matter that the roads are falling apart, we're
over budget, and Denver is a asshole, and all the
Democrats have to do is say that Republicans don't want
you to have an abortion, and everybody in Colorado will
never vote Republican again at the state level. And there's
truth to that. Michael thirty six, so two, it was
sixteen forty one thirty six, so two. Michael Police wants

(34:21):
a billion dollar train in no roads. I know they're
still talking about the damn train between here and Fort Collins.
I mean that will be It's just like, hey, Gavin,
what are you doing today? This is Jared, what are
you guys doing today? Well, we're building a train to nowhere.
Oh well, I'm building a bridge to nowhere from the
state capitol. But no, no, no, you got to build

(34:43):
a train to nowhere. I've looked at your map. Why
don't you build a train of nowhere, say, from Fort
Collins to Denver. You can pay consultants and they'll kick
that back to you in campaign contributions.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
It's a win win. You don't have to build it.