7-15-25 - 8am - Ryan Filling In - Jon Caldara on a Third Party and Priscilla Rahn Restoring Education

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
You're welcome, Yeah, we're welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, Ryan Truling filling in as we kick off
the second half of this situation with out Michael Brown,
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always welcoming those at thirty three one to oh three?
Which way Western Man and whither Elon musk Well. Mark
Cuban has some thoughts, and I've seen Rama Manuel, former

(00:32):
chair of the DNC, former mayor of Chicago, speaking along
these same lines. We're talking about the Obama faction, the
Obama wing of a Democratic party that no longer recognizes itself.
And Emmanuel's warning like, look, we can't go to the
far left fringes of this party and expect to win
the mainstream of America and those electoral votes in flyover Country.

(00:52):
Mark Cuban, who's no fan of Donald Trump, says, you
know that is not a strategy. What you're against only
represents that which you oppose.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
But what are you for? What do you support? Here's
Mark Cuban, It's.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Just Trump sucks. That's the underlying, you know, thought of
everything the Democrats do.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Trump sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Trump says, you know this guy's blue, Trump sucks. You can't.
That's not the way to win. It's just not because
it's not about Trump. It's about the people of the
United States of America and what's good for them and
how do you get them to a place where they're
in a better position and it's less stressful for them.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
That's Mark Cuban.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
And along these same lines, we're writing this following piece
and you can read it in Colorado Politics. Elon Musk's
Party Won't Dance in Colorado by John Caldera, our next
guest Independence Institute, and he says in a portion of
this saying, quote we hate both of them is a feeling,
not a political goal.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's not a vision.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
If Elon wants a party that is fiscally conservative yet
socially liberal and proven to spoil elections, he need look
no further than the Libertarian Party. It's been around for
a half a century, legally set up and ready to
roll in every state, and yet it has not been
a winning party. The one third party movement we've seen
that gained some traction and some success was a Tross
Perot in ninety two and ninety six, it would eventually

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become the Reform Party and Jesse Ventura would win as
an independent. YEP, the former pro wrestler, the former actor.
He said famously that he was a fiscally conservative but
socially liberal, and he won the governor's race in Minnesota
in the late nineties.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
John Caldera joins us Now, John.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Welcome to it, and just your thoughts going into Elon
Musk breaking away from Donald Trump. You described the breakup
as analogous to the Beatles, and it hurts just as
much for those of us that supported Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, it was a beautiful bromance. It was a productive romance,
and it was a great partnership. I hate to see it.
I hate to see it go for all those reasons.
But the idea of another party isn't isn't going to

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fly in my world is much more in Colorado than
it is in Washington, d C. It's not going to
fly in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
You say it's not going to fly in Colorado, And
I'm always confused by there's a proliferation of unaffiliated voters,
yet when we measure them in elections, they typically vote Democrat,
and they do so against their interests. We were just
talking about this John throughout that there are all these
fees that are attached these ends around Tabor, and Tabor

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is monumentally popular in this state for unaffiliated Republicans, and
I would say even a lot of Democrats alike. They
don't want their tax dollars touch without their permission, without
having go to a ballot measure. And yet the Democrats
constantly looking for ways to implement fees and taxes without
our permission, without our knowledge, including the governor Jared Polis,
who purports to be a libertarian. But these small l,

(04:02):
as you put it in your op ed, small L
libertarian sensibilities don't seem to translate into votes when it
comes to the fiscally conservative agenda that Democrats directly oppose.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Absolutely, there's Colorado is a libertarian state as long as
you don't use those terms that Colorado most Colorado's they
they're not as liberal as our state government, and our
cities are being run and they're going to be running

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off a cliff at some point. The problem is that
Colorado despises the Republican Party. Colorado despises Donald Trump. And
I'm not talking about all Colorado. I'm talking about in
the suburban areas where you need to win, where you
need to be able to switch over a wrap a hotel, County,

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Adams County, Douglas County, Jefferson County. These these are the
swing areas of Colorado. You need them to win. And
in those areas, Donald Trump is a pariah and therefore
people are not going to vote for Republicans, so they
end up just voting for the Democrat. But the Democrat

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is out of touch. There is a civil war going
on inside the Colorado Democratic movement between communists and just progressives,
and the Communists are winning. I say communists, I'm really
the Democratic socialists, and they are so out of touch,
but they're going to stay in power until there's some

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sort of alternative. I believe that alternative will be independents,
that we unaffiliated voters that start an unaffiliated candidates that
start winning. In Colorado. You look no further than Colorado
Springs or the first time, and you know, I can't
remember how long there's an unaffiliated mayor. People want something different.

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They're not going to vote for Republicans, but they're there.
They still want government off their back. So I think
there's a real opportunity for unaffiliated candidates to start winning
here in Colorado in the next few years.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
John Caldera Independence Institute joining us and you can follow
him on ex at John Caldera j O, N C,
L D A r A. Now the traditional two party system,
John that people would like.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
An alternative too.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
They are succeeding and I put those that word in
quotes in spite of themselves. Talk about Rama Manuel criticizing
the Democratic Party. It's veering hard to the left. We
see that with Zorn Mumdani earning the Democratic nomination for
mayor in New York City off the rails with the squad.
We see even elements of that here in College Rado
as you put a Democratic Socialists that are pulling the
party to the left when it comes to policy positions

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and bills that they're passing through the legislature that they're
even getting Governor Jared Poulos to sign, who's a libertarian
in name only, and even the Republicans, I mean, they've
been disappointing to a lot of people that have supported them.
Trying to formulate a smaller government, a leaner, meaner spending budget,
you know, something like Robert Massey, White support or Ran Paul.
Why is it then that a third party has not

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been able to thrive, to succeed to win against two
parties that can't get out of their own way, whether
it's the Reform Party with parole. Libertarians never mount much
of a challenge in elections, despite the fact that they
might have a lot of good ideas. And now Elon
Musk with the America Party, you say that's doomed for failure.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
But why is that?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Particularly Musk is doomed in Colorado Because he's so disliked.
He's disliked from both sides. So remember, the fight for
Colorado is a fight for those undecided votes. Most of
those undecided votes despise Donald Trump, and anybody who helped

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get Donald Trump into office is not going to be
a popular It's not gonna be a popular guy to
to to go follow his banner. At the same time,
he's going to get hurt by those people who love
Donald Trump. Because for for the Trump crazies, if you
if you come out against Trump, you come out against

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their man, and they're not going to follow you either.
So you're already at a double disadvantage. Those people who
love Trump aren't going to follow you. Those people who
hate Trump aren't going to follow you. It's simply not
something that's gonna that's going to work here in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (08:46):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
And you know, I look at the Reform Party and
people say it was a real party, maybe, but it
didn't get a single electoral vote after several presidential elections,
not one. And it kind of reminded me of the
Tea Party in a way that when when there is

(09:10):
an Anger Party, it's not it's not a movement. Much
like the clips you were playing at the beginning of
this by Mark Cuban. People know what they're against, that
doesn't mean they know what they're for. And so there
can be lots of people against what's going on, but
there needs to be a shared vision here. And when

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when the Republican Party started, they had a shared vision.
It was abolition for the democratic movement in Colorado. They
had a shared vision which was to get marriage quality.
Not Donald Trump is not a shared vision. There's that's
just not something that holds. And in order to build

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a party, you need to hold together people who want something.
It's interesting that you remember the Green Party. The Green
Party was wonderful everybody loved the Green Party because it
helped to screw up Democrats. It's kind of what happens
with the Libertarian Party for Republicans, but that the left

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did something to get rid of the Green Party. They
just absorbed them and every single one of their crazy
environmentalist ideas, and we're starting to pay the price for that.
So if Republicans want to win, they need to be
for something. And you cannot say Republicans are for smaller government.

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Not after the big beautiful Bill, not after every time
that there is a Republican majority of both houses and
a Republican president. We just go into debt Moore. So
the Republican Party really is not the party A small
government might be smaller compared, but it's still of growing government.

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You know, I look at what must did with Twitter.
He said we need we need a platform. He didn't
build a new platform. He just went out and bought Twitter.
If you really want something, he could infiltrate the Libertarian
Party the way that Donald Trump took over the Republican Party.

(11:25):
He's got the money to do it, he's got the
name recognition to do it. Who knows why why build something?
Who's scratched and you can buy something off the shelf.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
John Caldera Independence Institute, his latest entitled Elon Musk's Party
Won't Dance in Colorado. I'm watching the continuum of political
evolution in Colorado, John, and it seems, if anything, this
state is moving to the left politically, Democrats garnering more power,
higher percentage of the General Assembly, control of the governor's office.

(11:58):
We see now we're talking about and at length today
about the eighteenth Judicial District with the twenty third cleaved
off in Douglas County where George Brockler's now the DA
and Amy Padden simply going off the rails basically with
a pro crime mindset, pro criminal mindset, pro defendant mindset,
rather than executing policies that would ensure law and order, prosecution,

(12:19):
punishment for crime, deterrens, et cetera. And I'm wondering in
your mind how bad it would have to get in
Colorado on which front. And we talked about skyrocketing cost
of living here. I know that's chief among your concerns.
You're very tuned into economic issues, taxation, those sorts of
things here in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's bad.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Parental rights advocates going nuts here in Colorado after passage
of thirteen twelve, and that's another rail of concern. And
then the crime epidemic that's been exploding in Colorado. As
I just mentioned, these permissive policies that are making life
less safe in this state. So for those unaffiliateds that
lean left the typically reflexively vote Democrat, is there anybody

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that would look at this state right now and say
we're in better off. We're in better shape overall as
a state across the board than we were when Jared
Polis was first elected in twenty eighteen. I can't imagine
many people, even Democrats would say yes.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Oh, communist would communist would look they we're making great
gains in Colorado. One of my frustrations with a Republican party,
and I've been a lifelong Republican. I'm now unaffiliated, but
I registered as a Republican on my eighteenth birthday before
I went off and bought a beer, which you could
do legally. And that's the kind of nerd I am.

(13:34):
And I look at it, and Republicans in Colorado have
a hard time accepting reality that there are some things
that are not going to happen in Colorado. I don't
want to break anybody's heart, but in the next ten
twenty years, we are not going to become an anti

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abortion state. It's not going to happen. We are not
going to become an anti pod state, or an anti
gay state, or an anti environmentalist state. The demographics aren't there.
So that's what you're wrapping yourself around. Go ahead, have fun,

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but understand you're only going to be turning off voters
on the area that is possible. And the area that
is possible is that Colorado. And you've mentioned it. Colorado
is not pro tax, Colorado is not pro regulation, Colorado
is not pro crime, Colorado is not pro woke. And

(14:38):
if you stick with those issues, you can win. But
for the next four to six years in those swim districts,
I believe, maybe I'm wrong, that if you have a
Republican title behind your name, you're just not going to
win in a general election. And I'm not talking about

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out in the Hindu I'm talking about in those swing districts,
those suburban districts where everything is decided in Colorado. Thus,
I believe in the future, if we change our system
so that unaffiliated candidates can have a shot at getting
to the getting to the general election, they're going to

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win because we just want people who will keep to
our taxes low, but aren't going to be going off
on abortion because abortion is simply not a reachable goal in.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Colorado, John Kelder, our guests want to give you a
chance to promote what you've just been working on here, John,
and I'm seeing a fascinating sit down conversation that you
had with constitutional expert Rob natelsin where can people find that?
And what stood out to you about that exchange.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
I go to Thinkfreedom dot org. I run the Independence Institute,
which for four decades now has been pointing to the
north are for uh free market policy and limited government.
And we do a show called Devil's Advocate. You can
watch that every Friday night at eight thirty on Channel twelve,
or you can just go to Thinkfreedom dot org and

(16:14):
catch the YouTube of it. Rob Nielsen's or as a
constitutional expert, and I asked him these questions of you know, what,
what can people do? Why why do we have only
two parties in the in the national system, and what
can happen to change it? And he's got the historic
perspective of this, which is just fascinating. So go to

(16:35):
think freedom dot org, sign up for our newsletter. It's
a lot of fun. You are not alone if you
want some common sense back in.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Government now, that's what he stands for at the Independence
Institute thinkfreedom dot com and then also on x at
John Caldera. John, always appreciate your time, and we'll look
forward to the next conversation.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Looking forwards with Ryan.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Thank you all right, John calder Right, there your thoughts
the reaction as well along those lines thirty three one
oh three. I think a lot of people in our
audience are probably small l libertarian in most ways, and
that's really how I was. What drove my votes in
the past was you know, who was going to leave
me alone, you know, leave me to my own devices,
make my own decisions about my own money, you know,

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lessen the tax burden, allow all of us to become
consumers and to invest money as we see fit, to
spend our dollars smartly, to make investments, to purchase products,
to put the fuel.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Into the economy, as it were.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
And I think a lot of Donald Trump's policies are
along those lines that pro business, pro growth, pro capitalism philosophy,
that I believe a rising tide lifts all boats. It's
the opposite of socialism, communism guaranteed outcomes, which means guaranteed
failure because the lowest common denominator is going.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
To hold you back and hold you down.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
When people are allowed to thrive, to succeed, to invest,
to strive, to create, to create jobs in the economy,
this is how we get to the booming times of
the Reagan years that followed into the nineties as well,
and the booming times that we enjoyed during the first
four years of Donald Trump. And I think there are
still better times ahead. Just got to buckle up and

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make it through this next part of the ride. We'll
take this time out much more to get to here
on the situation without Michael Brown, Ryan Shuling filling in
right here.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Diversity, equity and inclusion.

Speaker 7 (18:25):
Say the words, say the words, say them.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
You are powerful.

Speaker 7 (18:32):
You are the Eddie ende mosor head high, older, head high, heady, freedom,
freedom up.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Lead hid Oh. Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
That was Rebecca Pringle, president of the NEA National Education Association.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Between her and.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
We've seen similar lunatic fringe rantings from Randy Weingarten, who
is the president of the American Federation for Teachers. I'm
not sure which one is worse. That was bad, these
unhinged just screaming rants about DEI and then you got
music playing her off stage like she spoke too.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Long at the oscars? Do you have to yell?

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Who teaches these people how to communicate, how to deliver
an effective message? This is not a revival, And even
if it were, that's not an effective way to just
scream at people. Say it, and I want to say it
now that you told me to say it. It's like
when I'm at a Rockies game and everybody clap your hands, like, no, no,
because you told me to. I'm not going to just
respond to your prompt like a trained seal. No.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
I'll clap when something is clapworthy and when I'll plod,
and i'll cheer. I'll do all that.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
But no, no, don't try to make me do something
like that. And that's kind of where she comes down
on this joining us now. She is the former vice
chair of the Colorado GP and author of a book
released entitled Restoring Education in America, An Inspirational Teacher Toolbox.
Priscilla Ron our guest, Priscilla, thank you for your time.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Thanks for having me on RAN.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
You know, I hear things like what we just heard
from Rebecca Prangle and from Randy Weinngarten, and I just cringe.
I have to imagine there's more than a small percentage
of teachers who do the same, and yet to counter that,
we have this new book that I think presents a
ray of hope and a pathway to a teacher that's
maybe going through a hard time, giving them the tools

(20:32):
for success. Take us through the formation of the idea
for this book and how it all came to be.

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Well, I'm going to be starting my thirty second year
this school year this fall. I teach in Denver Public Schools.
I'm a classroom teacher, former principal, and you know, it's
been a slow boil of the frog, right you start
the year off, you go to professional development and it's
become increasingly DEI heavy, equity training, all the buzzwords. And

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every year when we do our cemath, which is our
Colorado State standardized testing, when those scores come out, they
just keep dropping and dropping. And I started thinking, what
are we not doing right in public education? We're so
hyper focused on what's going on socially that we're not
actually strengthening our pedagogy, which is our skill for delivering instruction.

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And I thought, you know what, I see the light
at the end of the tunnel. I'm about to retire.
What have I learned that I can give back to
the education profession? And so that's why I call it
restoring education in America. Now, what really prompted me to
get this done was when President Trump find his two
executive orders, one on the Department of Education reducing the

(21:49):
size and also on ending DEI programs, And I thought,
you know what, this is the time to get my
message out because there's an opportunity there.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Priscilla, what would you tell let's say, a teacher who
may keep their political views close to the vest, but
they're not on board with a lot of what national
leadership or even leadership at the state and local level
are telling them, like you're saying, with regard to DEI
or instituting certain kinds of class content in their classrooms.

(22:20):
And they want a different way, and maybe this book
helps present that different way, but they feel a little
bit intimidated to kind of do things their own way.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
What would you say to that teacher?

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Sure, I've written this book specifically to that teacher, and
just know that there are a lot more teachers who
agree with the dissension of what we've been seeing than don't.
Because every time I speak up at a faculty meeting
or on a zoom or in a training, I'll have
a number of teachers come up to me and say,
I'm so grateful that you said something because they're afraid.

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And I'll just name the elephant in the room. Eighty
percent of the teachers in public education are white females.
But what have we seen in the last you know,
five years or so is tearing down If you're a
white male, especially or a white woman, you're called, you know,
a racist, and all of these things and made accusations

(23:13):
about and it really does paralyze features. And I want
to give all teachers the tools to make sure that
they feel confident that they can still live out their
values in a way that's effective.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Just from my personal standpoint, I'm a big fan of Priscilla,
but she not that it matters, but just to the
point she just made is of mixed racial background, black father,
Asian mother. Tremendous story both of them and how they
came to be and it's really a great love story.
And Priscilla's going to be a little bit tougher to
target and criticize from that standpoint of the white liberal
guilt so forth, when that's not who she is. Priscilla

(23:49):
Ron is the author of Restoring Education in America, an
inspirational teacher toolbox now available on Amazon. We hear as well, Priscilla,
and you said you were heartened by the Trump administration
decisions with the executive orders, and Linda McMahon herself said,
if I do my job, my job will no longer exist,
meaning eliminating the Department of Education at the federal level

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and returning the funding, the power, the decision making to
the states, which are better tailored for each state, because
every state of our fifty are so different from one
another that there isn't a one size fits all approach
that really works. And you've spoken to that, we are
not getting the results from students in America test scores,
however you want to measure it compared to the rest
of the world. What would an America look like without

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the federal Department of Education, which was it came into
being under the Carter administration late eighties, around nineteen or
late seventies rather around nineteen eighty. And would it be
better in general for the American education system to strike
the department entirely.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
You know, we existed without a Department of Education and
our students were performing better. I mean, so people can
argue that, but statistically speaking, we were higher in the
world rankings. But what it would look like would be
something very healthy, which is competition. And the left it
makes them very nervous to talk about competing because they
think everybody should have the exact same things. But what

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the job is of an educator is to remove barriers,
and we have to work really, really hard to meet
children where they are. We have seen an increase in
students who need special education and effective needs supports, mental
health supports. It's increased since COVID actually too.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
And so what does that mean for us as teachers?
Our jobs are harder.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
We can't kick the can down the road, we can't
blame someone else, we can't be lazy. This is not
the time to say the federal government's going to solve
all these problems and then be worried about the funding.
When I explain this to people, the funding is going
to come back to the states or stay in the states.
And now it's up to school boards and state legislators

(25:55):
to quote unquote fully fund education and make sure that
we have very very strong curriculum and that we're preparing
mastered teachers. And that's something that those are things we
haven't been doing, and if we start doing that, we're
going to see education elevate across the nation.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
She shares over thirty years of wisdom through personal stories,
practical strategies, and timeless biblical truths women into every chapter
of this book. Veteran educator, National Board certified Master teacher,
Priscilla Ron our guest. Final question for Priscilla, and I
think this is an area of concern, maybe at the
top of the charts for parents in Colorado nationwide, but

(26:33):
I think especially in our state. And then there's breaking
down these barriers like you're talking about that are woven
into the bureaucracy of the nationalization of our education system,
the leadership therein the administrative level of education in our state.
Let's focus there, the teachers themselves, the unionization of that
labor and what is lost in all of this, from

(26:53):
my perspective, is what is in the true best interests
of the students. And further to that point, how do
we InCor or great parents to be included in that
process to have a dialogue like the old school style
of the PTA or the PTOs. Locally, how would you
help enhance the relationship between parents and teachers and strengthen

(27:14):
that so that everybody's pulling in the same direction when
it comes to the one thing that should matter most,
and that's the interest of the students themselves.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
Great question. I have a chapter dedicated to moral integrity
and moral courage. And in a time where we as
teachers are being asked to keep secrets from parents, where
we have a teachers' union that teaches us as teachers
to say, oh, we're you know, we're a safe place.
You can trust us more than you can trust your parents.

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Where we have a system where children can get counseling
without parents knowing, and teachers and counselors in the schools
are closing the door and shedding the blinds and having
one on one private conversations with children without parents knowing,
and we're not supporting strong relationships between students and their parents.
That is the whole chapter that I talk about that

(28:04):
you have to have moral courage and say this is
actually not what's in the best interest of children, it's
not what's in the best interest of families, and it's
then it's not what's in the best interest of our
community and the future. So we have to get back
to the basics. I do encourage people to check out
my book. I do have tools in there for teachers,
reflective questions that's going to help walk educators and parents

(28:27):
if you're homeschool parents through step by step some of
these issues that we're grappling with.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Restoring education in America. An inspirational teacher Toolbox. That's the
book just release. It's available in paperback at Amazon. And
the author, Priscilla Ron, joining us, former vice chair of
the Colorado GOP.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Priscilla, great stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
As always, thank you so much for all the time
you put into creating this book and for having this
conversation with us here today, and.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Thanks for having me on. Ryan, You're awesome.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Priscilla Ron is awesome as well. It's a unanimous verdict.
We'll take this time. I'm out come back after this.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Good morning, and Ryan. Anytime I travel out of the
state of Colorado for work or pleasure, I go to
the grocery store, collect the free plastic bags and then
smuggling back into Colorado.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I'm sure Jered will try to find a wet attation
for that too.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Period they were going to have like border guards on
the borders of Wyoming, Kansas, New Mexico, and Utah. And
you come in you got plastic bags. You're paying a
fee for that too. Now it's just remarkable you go
to these other states and plastic bags. You know, is
getting rid of those? Is that really helping? I remember
when I was a kid, I want to say it

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was Electric Company. Remember that show Children's television Workshop on
PDS Kelly Does, And they were doing the whole paper
or plastic thing. And even as a little kid, I'm like,
I don't know, Like plastic is recyclable and you don't
have to kill a tree to make it. There's you know,

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other forms of chemicals and stuff that are used to
produce them. But then now you get paper bags at
King Supers and might I add they're flimsy. These are
not the strong paper bags that you would get, Uh,
let's say at Public's maybe in Florida or U Crops
in Virginia. If you've lived there. Have you even noticed this, Kelly?

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The paper bags at King Soupers. They rip, they tear,
they break, you can't put a lot in them.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
They're not great.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
No, and you know what I think doing on purpose
because they want you to buy like these, you know, bags.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
Usable back out, completely combustible if you put them in
a pit. I mean, they're so unhealthy because you have
all the meat leakage.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
You're the leakage. That sounds terrible.

Speaker 8 (30:45):
Yeah, I missed the days of the incentives where they
would actually give you like ten cents off per bag
you brought in.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
I remember that, and that was great.

Speaker 8 (30:53):
You could implement that kind of thing now, and I
think it would be much more encouraging than no bags whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
You don't get a bag, you.

Speaker 8 (30:59):
Can't use it. You tell people, yeah, we're gonna give you,
I don't know, a dollar off if you use her
two dollars off you've bring in your own bags.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, I just don't don't think it really helps anything.
It's one of these virtues signaling.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Oh, we don't have plastic bags anymore. The environment has saved, even.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Though China is churning out cold into the atmosphere. Ryan
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