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Speaker 1 (00:00):
John Dragon, I'll tell you what Brownie had his boosters.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is what happened. You guys are next.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
You guys are dude.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's what happens when you don't take the jab. Hey.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm John Caldera in for the very Sick, nearly dead
Michael Brown, who has a man called He's lying there
holding his little teddy bear and his wife's kissing his
forehead saying, they're there, little bunny. It's gonna be okay.
There we go, but help me back. Not to worry.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hey, I've got some questions.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
As a guy who runs Independence Institute in Colorado, I
look at the great, big, beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And I go, what in the world was that.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
So a friend of mine runs the Tax Foundation, which
is just the experts on federal tax policy and tax
policy around the country, Daniel Bud And the other day
we got into it over a beer, and so I thought,
you know what, I want other people to hear this conversation. Daniel,
Thank you for spending some time with us.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
John the Tax Foundation give us the quickest definition you have.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, so you described it pretty well. We're a group
out based out of Washington, DC. We analyze the economics
and tax policy at the federal level. We pay attention
to what's going on at the state level, and we
look at things globally as well. We've got an economic model,
which I'm sure we'll talk a lot about because we
use it so much throughout the process of the big
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beautiful bill. But we're Our goal is to look at
the tax code and provide policy makers with solid analysis,
and that helps them make better choices.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
You put out a state by state do tax fact should?
You put out a little booklet? I depend upon that.
It shows us where Colorado is in terms of spending
and revenue and all sorts of things. It just it's
a terrific resource. Tax Foundation go to tax foundation dot org.
All right, let's let's jump into this. Here's my first
big personal worry. As you know, I've got a son
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who has down syndrome. He is on Medicaid. He's an
adult now, technically he is very very vulnerable. He he
he relies on Medicaid to keep him alive. And what
I've heard is that twelve million people are going to
be cut from the rolls of Medicaid under the one,
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Big Beautiful Bill, that that people like my son are
going to be thrown to the curve, the elderly will
be thrown into the curve.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That it's it's gonna it's going to.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Destroy lives and as they say, people will die.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
How worried should I be about my son?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's a great question. I think for your son, the
worry level should be rather low because what policymakers did
in the Big Beautiful Bill is they really reshape the
incentives for programs to focus more on the populations at
risk rather than able bodied workers, which has been part
of the expansion of medicaid we've seen so much over
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the course of the last decade plus since Obamacare. So
the goal of policy makers in the Beautiful Bill was
to make sure that vulnerable populations, folks like their son,
or folks that are really in trouble and need support
from the government for their medical support, that the policy
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is focused on them. Now, you and I both know
there's a long road from a vote in Congress to
actual impact to lives on the ground, and there's all
sorts of regulatory policy and changes at the state level
that will make this a reality, and we'll have to
see how it plays out. But I'll go back to
saying the goal was to make sure the vulnerable populations
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are the focus of medicaid.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So basically, if I understand it, heaven forbid people work
before they get benefits. Really, if you are an able person,
if you're an able body person and you're getting Medicaid
benefits Obamacare, that you need to have a job. You
need to have a part time job, or you need
to volunteer, and that's it. And if you're unable to work,
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if you're too old or to infirm your handicapped, that's
not going.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
To apply to you.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So really, the savings in medicaid reform here is that
people will have to work.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Is that ninety percent of it?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, that's the goal. The challenge will come when states
are trying to figure out, okay, how do we qualify workers,
how do we make sure there's not a paperwork jungle
that even people like you with your son have to
navigate in order to say, well, we really do belong
in this program and really do need to benefit. So
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that will be a challenge. But to your point, yes,
if someone is able to work and able to earn
a living such that they would not be otherwise eligible
for the program, then the program should not support them.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Well, and I think about it. It took three years,
count in three years to get my son enrolled into Medicaid.
This was before Obamacare. And then the idea that any
you know, fraternity bro who's able bodied could go online
and get insurance for after five minutes be enrolled in Medicaid.
It's just crazy. We were giving this this away there
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the this state is going to have to pick up
some of these costs. Now, is that is that the
big Is that the big worry on Medicaid?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, so there's two big things that I think are
important to look at here. So, states were incentivized to
expand their Medicaid programs to these other populations that aren't, uh,
the you know, the core vulnerable populations that Medicaid was
designed for. An in that incentive program, they were essentially
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getting rewarded by the federal government for enrolling people who
otherwise wouldn't have been eligible before the Medicaid expansion. And
then secondly, states were essentially incentivized to tax their Medicaid
providers and then use that tax revenue to roll back
benefits towards Medicaid providers and then the federal government would
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come in with matches. So the approach in the Big
Beautiful Bill says that sounds a lot like money laundering,
and in fact, there was an old Obama administration proposal
to curtail that activity of taxing Medicaid providers and then
funneling additional state and federal money to them, so states
will be more on the hook for funding their Medicaid
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programs going forward, and depending on what policymakers at the
state level choose to do, then you may see some
benefit cuts or some challenges with finalancing those programs, but
again the goal still being that Medicaid focuses on vulnerable populations.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
The fear mongering that's going on over the Medicaid reform
and the Big Beautiful Bill it reminds me a little
of the Why two K scare, so we're all going
to die, We're all going to die, and then nothing
really happened. It even more reminds me of welfare reform
under Clinton, when everyone was freaking out that if the
states had more power over welfare that it would be terrible,
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when in fact it was a huge savings and most
states put in heaven forbid work requirements that people work
before they get the benefits, and that fear didn't happen
as well.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I suspect the same thing here.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I think we'll have to see how all this
plays out. But you're absolutely right that a lot of
times the dialogue gets to the extremes really fast, especially
in health policied discussions, when reality may not. I don't
think likely will line up with those extreme predictions.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And let's do the other side of the Big Beautiful Bill,
which is the debt side. It increases our debt ceiling sizeably,
and it's one of the reasons why Elon Musk went
to war over it, saying this is fiscal ruin. How
bad does this make our debt situation? And when people
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when people say, you know, Republicans are the fiscal conservatives,
no politicians, no politician is a fiscal conservative.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
They want to spend.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
How bad is the Big Beautiful Bill when it comes
to increasing our debt.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
So this is where our modeling and our approach attack
foundation really came into play. We look at both the
policies themselves. We look at the impact on revenue on spending.
We look at the impact on the broader economy, and
if there's a positive impact on the economy, you may
see some revenue kind of channel back into the federal
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government through what we call dynamic scoring.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And when we.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Look at this big picture, we look at information from
the Congressional Budget Office, the Joint Committee on Taxation, and
our own analysis. This bill says that over the course
of the next ten years, the debt will be about
three trillion dollars larger than if Congress had not done this.
Now that's not saying that Congress should have done nothing,
because if Congress did nothing, then sixty two percent of
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households would have seen a sizeable tax increase at the
end of the year. But to your point, John, there's
a way to do these things that is more fiscally
responsible than saying, well, you know, we're going to just
add another three trillion to the debt over the next
ten years.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
And there's a real reason why Rand Paul and others
were like, no, this, this doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It makes it worse. And our debt problem is a
terrible issue.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
If I got it right, we're spending more money on
interest payments on our national debt than we're spending on
national defense.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
This is an issue.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yes, absolutely, it's an issue, and with interest rates where
they are, it's not something that I would say is
particularly sustainable. In fact, some of the things that I
looked at when we were talking about this big, Beautiful
Bill Act is that there were trade offs that policy
makers made that actually made this bill more expensive than
it needed to be. Increases in the state and local
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tax deduction cap, the new provisions that Trump campaigned on,
no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, even the
tax cut for seniors are not things that I would
have prioritized in a situation where our debt burden is
already so large and our interest payments are larger than
what we would otherwise be what we're spending on national defense.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Let's talk about some of the some of the losses here, taxes,
no taxes on tips, no taxes on overtime. What those
those seem like bad policy to me? That whether you
earn your money or tips, or you're earn your money
other ways, it's still your income.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Why why is it.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
That if I can convince somebody to give me tips,
it shouldn't be taxed.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Do you guys have a strong feeling on this.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I do have a strong feeling on this, and this
is what fiscal policy folks, public finance people talk about
horizontal equity, that if you're earning roughly the same amount
of money, or if you're in a similar life situation,
that the tax code should treat you equally. But it
with this policy, you know, taxes on tips. You might
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be you know, a line chef earning a certain amount
of money and you might be a you know, a
member of the weight staff that's earning the same amount
of money, but the wait staff gets a tax cut.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And the line chef does not. And that's to.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Me a fundamental flaw in the approach that was taken here.
Even with overtime, you could, you know, we can debate
kind of on the nuances of this. It's it's nice
to be able to say that the you know, the
next dollar of earnings when you're earning money in overtime
might not be taxed, and that incentiviz is more work.
But honestly, these things complicate the tax code and you know,
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just you know, less than a decade ago, policy makers
were talking about trying to fit the tax code on
an index card, and we know that's not possible, but
this is going in the opposite direction both in the
way you design tax policy, and it goes completely against
simplifying the tax code.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Talk to me about the salt deduction, and this was
such a disappointment. The first Trump tax code from twenty
seventeen did this beautiful thing that angered liberals and also
to big government states where it took away their deductions
for local taxes, and Republicans really wimped out when it
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came to this and.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
We lost something. Explain it to me briefly.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, So I'd say we lost two things.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
One, when the.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Tax cuts in job decks was passed in twenty seventeen,
it was already the case that a lot of taxpayers
in high income tax states or states with or jurisdictions
with high property taxes or whatever, that they would see
those deductions limited. But they wouldn't that the provisions in
the tax code at the time weren't all that transparent.
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You might be limited because you're paying through the alternative
minimum tax or you're facing the peace limitation, but ultimately
you might not have much of a state and local
tax deduction left over. But because the system was so opaque,
you didn't really realize it. You thought that you would
be able to benefit from those deductions. So what the
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tax cuts and jobs that did is it made it
a lot more transparent. All of a sudden, everybody in
these high tax jurisdictions could say, I only get to
deduct ten thousand dollars and that's it, when in a
lot of cases because of the rates and bracket changes
in the tax cuts and jobs at the vast majority
of people did see a tax cut, but it became
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this kind of, you know, focal point for the debate.
And over the course of the last several years, we've
seen this collection of policy makers from high tax jurisdictions
for what's been called the salt Caucus State and local
tax salt Salt Caucus in Congress to push for increasing
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that cap of ten thousand dollars now limiting itemized deductions,
limiting the salt deduction. That's good policy, and it in
the twenty seventeen bill we saw an improvement on transparency,
but we saw rolled back on both of those points.
In the big Beautiful Bill, the salt cap moved up.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I take that as a real loss.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Let's talk a couple of things that I've I'm just
delighted by They might not be huge, but I'm just
delighted by the first is cutting funding for public broadcast
and national public radio a long long overdue.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Does it cut their funding one hundred percent?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
No, it does not. And this was actually separate, a
separate piece of legislation. This was a recisions package that
only comes up every every once in a while. You
rarely see it in Washington, DC, where you're fundamentally cutting
spending that was already approved, but that will cut spending
to those entities through the end of this fiscal year,
and then Congress is already debating spending for the next
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round of appropriations, so it's going to be a fight
that comes up again very quickly here.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah, and for me, the idea of government sponsored media
is just a dangerous, dangerous thing, no matter who the
government is. The other one that I loved was that
the tax breaks for evs from the federal level, at
least the direct tax break is going to go away.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Is that correct.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's correct, and that's a big improvement because you don't
want to see the tax code picking winners and losers
or manipulating the marketplace. And moving away from that is
a real, real improvement in federal tax policy too.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Let me let me bottom line this, Daniel bun from
from the Tax Foundation. You're in Congress, You're the last
guy to decide. You're the sole vote on whether the
one big, beautiful bill passes or fails.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
How do you personally vote?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
That's a great question, John, and I've thought about this.
This isn't the first time I've been asked that question.
But you know, honestly, I think relative to the alternative,
which is a massive tax hike at the end of
the year, and relative to the alternative where you end
up in UH negotiations with much more harmful or more
distortive taxes. Think on net, it's a yes vote for me,
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and that's really tough vote, but it's one of those
things where you kind of take the wins where you
have them and see opportunities for reform down the road.
One of the things here is that this bill made
permanent the most pro growth policies that were on the
table as options, and it may some of the word things.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
In complete agreement with you, I don't like the bill.
I would have voted yes. Sausage making is imperfect. Hey, Daniel,
thank you so much for your music. I really appreciate
you spending some time with us. Those explanations were important.
Go to tax foundation dot org.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I'll be back right after this.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Hey, John, I seriously doubt that Tamer is anywhere near
Brownie at this moment.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
She's probably down in the in disclosed location in New Mexico.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I'm thinking that Brownie's wife has had to put up
with so many years of his man cold wimpiness that yeah,
she she's probably out visiting the bartender that would be
my guest.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Plus she works at school, so there's no chance she
would be dealing She deals with that year round. She
doesn't deal with that at home with Michael, so she's
she's out of this.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeah, there's the children at school, but then there's the
much more child at home.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, yeah, this this, this is, this is an issue.
You know, as as I said before yesterday, man cold
awareness is that an It's just that a low women
have no sympathy for men who have colds. Yet we're
supposed to have sympathy for you know, now when they
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have childbirth.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
It just doesn't seem fair, does not seem fair.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
You know, I don't think there's anything more horrendous than
a man could ever go through.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I mean, seriously, look at it like this. A woman
will choose to have another kid. She will sit there
and go, I want to have another baby. I don't
think a man has ever said I'd like to have
another man cold.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Women don't understand how near death we get when we
have the sniffles. They'd have no idea that we are teetering,
that there's there's a bright light that comes and we
want to walk into it.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And they don't.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
They don't realize the depths of the illness that is
man cold, and therefore they don't they don't have any
any sympathy. I mean, how many men must die of
sniffles every year before society wakes up to the.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Horrors of man cold.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
How many more good men must lay there seeing the
remote control just out of reach their fingertips, and no,
no one is there to.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Come and bring him that remote control. That the humanity.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yeah, I know, we talk about what goes on in
Gaza and the Holocaust and all these, but my god,
there are men with sniffles who have run out of
Kleenex and might have to use bathroom tissue. These are
problems that women do not understand or care about. Yeah,
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but yet we we gotta, we gotta listen to women
talk about, you know, my water broke, I need an epidural.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Then me, me, me, me me.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
But when a man has the sniffles or a cough, nothing, nothing,
You know, a woman when she goes into birth has
like a pit crew around her. She's on a bed
that is a transformer. I mean, it's a car here,
than it's an airplane there. It moves up and down,
it does all these things. And she's got nurses and
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doctors and people running around with flowers and everything. But
a man has a man cold, is there with a
runny nose, and there's no support team. It is something
man must suffer alone. It is it is the burden
of our gender, gentlemen, that we must suffer a head
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cold in shame and darkness and alone.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
How much more do we bear?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Let's all take a little time to have a moment
of silence for Michael Brown, who's got the sniffles today.
Dear Lord, please help Michael through the sniffles. We understand
he's not your favorite child. We understand that if there
was something as a yeah, it's Michael Brown, but still
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somebody must love him, and that someone will be hurt
when he dies of sniffelitis.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Please Lord help him through this dark, dark time.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Anything you want to add on that other than other
than how great it's been not having to deal with
its fantastic. Oh man, I don't know how you do it.
So what is the worst part about dealing with Michael
Brown every day? Michael Brown? Yeah, yeah, I mean they
pay me. They don't pay me well, but they pay me,
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so I show up.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, I guess the bigger question is what's your problem?
Is this all you can do for a living? Pretty much?
I've got no other skills. Yeah, I know. That's why
I run a think tank.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
If I and if I lose that job, I'm you're
screwing sol.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I got nothing. I mean, that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You have to rely on your your looks and only fans,
and they ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And you know once that guy who was my only
customer and only fans ended up going to prison.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He's not allowed on the internet anymore. I've lost a
lot of disposable income because of that.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Okay, So can I speak? Permission to speak?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
This is a woman who doesn't understand the power. Yes, please, Kelly,
what have you got.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
To Okay, the best part of my entire pregnancy was
when the doctor broke my water and everything just leaked out.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's gross.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
It is not.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Did your husband talk about his poop?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I was like, oh, this was a great poop.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I had no no, no, no, they broke my water
so I could actually we'll supposedly have the baby. I
ended up having a c section, So who gets a crap?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But why was this a great thing? That sounds awful? No, no,
you have no idea. I gained eighty eight.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Pounds you, yes, little thing. How did you gain eighty
eight pounds? It's a whole other person.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Uh yeah yeah, it was called Trevor.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
He's twenty two.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Now does he ever send you an apology email or something?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'm sorry I did all that to you, mom.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Well, he also.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
M it's okay, you can embarrass him. We don't care.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Well, no, he uh he almost killed me in utero.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, because because he the man.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Yeah no, this is in utero people, But.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But still, a man cold is just as dangerous as
whatever Trevor put you through.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
It was pretty bad. Yeah, I had I almost had
a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It was bad.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He sucked potassium from my heart.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And wait a second, just a quick question, and then
he came out. Yeah, did you keep him?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Well he was nine pounds ten ounces, he was kind
of a big kid.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And did you keep him? Did you keep him? Question Mark?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Yeah, we have him.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
So somebody comes over and almost kills me. The last
thing I'm going to do is reward that attempted murder
with eighteen years of food, clothing, and shelter. Well, did
you decided to do this for this guy?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
I did, and then I had another one.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Chose to have another baby. It was not my fault.
That was never never to me. It was not my fault. Fault,
not my fault. You weren't there. We have videotape that
shows you were there. You're apart.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Okay, okay, that's not my fault.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's his fault. How's it his fault? I can't get graphic. Yeah,
but you were there, lady, you were there. I still
blame him, all right, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
The answer is you say, I just wanted to back
rub and then I got a baby.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
That's all all right? So so you went through pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
This person tried to kill you, you reward him with
eighteen years of food and shelter, and you want to
get murdered again, So you have another baby. Now, when
you had a baby, was there support around you?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Of course? Was there? Was there a team around you
when you were having that baby? Well, first of.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
All, yes, I mean was.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
The father there holding your hand while you had the baby?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
No, he actually was late to the second C section,
but he.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Was there for the first one.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yes, all right, yeah, so he showed up, but he
was there, but he found out a team around you.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You were in a hospital, people asked you were ridiculous
questions like it was.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
It was about seven hours of hell until I told
the doctor get this thing out of me or I
will kill you. But the second one, this is always
happens on the second one. Uh, Adam was coming home
from a trip and he kind of came in and
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and I was very big again, and uh it was
a planned c section, so it was kind of very
I don't know, mechanical. It was kind of like, okay,
sit here, all right, we're gonna give you an up
duraal okay here, And I was good with it all right.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
You're missing the point that Dragon and I.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Are trying, well, you guys are trying to make.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
The point is simple that when you went through something
that was near death and very very painful, that there,
your man was there, The society was there.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
People said to flowers, everyone said doctors.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
But when a man has a cold, which is scientifically
proven to be ten times more painful than childbirth, which
is much more deadly than ebola, that when a man
has a head cold, women just don't give them the
attention and sympathy they need to survive.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Men have to suffer and shame alone us did she not?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
True?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
True?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I did not. I did not.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So when your man has a cold, are you does
he have the same level of support around him that
you did when you had You know that minor inconvenience
of childbirth.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
First of all, cold is different from childbirth.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Colds are worse, worse.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
We agree with you, Absolutely, head cold for a man
much less.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
You get sliced from belly button to your vagina, and
be pride open and compare that to a cold.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You don't understand, lady.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
When I have a cold, sometimes I rub my nose
with the Kleenex so much it gets red, sometimes red
even even shaved, and my lips can get dry. And
I'm parched, parched, and you're talking about getting sliced open,
like that's a deal.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You see, This is what I mean. Dragon.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
These chicks have no simple get it. They don't get
the pain and horror of a man.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Can't comprehend the just we can't it can't we try
to explain it to them in simple terms.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Sometimes sometimes you your throat kind of tickles, it tickles,
and you need ice cream or something, and there's nobody
to bring you the ice cream.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
I bet when Kelly was laying on that transformer bed, somebody.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Was like, would you like some shaved ice? Would you
like some water? Somebody's there handing her. Somebody had her.
Here's a popsicle for you. You know.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
A man is there going honey, I need the remote dry?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Where's the remote? I'm dying here? Nothing. I think we've
proved in our case. Let's take a quick breather. I'm
John Gilderic and thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Keep it right here on six thirty KOW Good morning
from South Dakota.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off of a bath. What's
the big deal. Doctor Fauci says, lots of people ate bats.
Everyone have a great day, A very fair point.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I admit I was never much of an Ozzy Osbourne fan,
wasn't It wasn't my style of music.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I had a friend who passed away a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
And he did the perfect Ozzy Osbourne impersonation.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It was. It was incredible. In fact, he wrote a
book called My Year as Ozzy, and he.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
And you go around town and people would think he's
Ozzy Osbourne and he'd get into everything for free.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Uh, just just.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Oneonderful I think Ozzie was known for, you know, yeah,
biting the heads off of bats, because why wouldn't you.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
But he was.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Really, I guess, a pioneer in that reality TV silliness
that then became The Kardashians. I never really watched his show.
I don't watch the Kardashians. I despise reality TV. I
find it just so ridiculously boring. If you're looking for
real TV, check out Independence Institute at thinkfreedom dot org.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thinkfreedom dot org. Check out the.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Many video and podcasts we have, including Devil's Advocate. You've
watched that on Channel twelve on Friday nights at eight
thirty and go to Think Freedom and sign up for
at least our newsletter. Love to stay in contact with
you in Brownie. I hope you feel better.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'll be back.
John Dragon, I'll tell you what Brownie had his boosters.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
This is what happened. You guys are next.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
You guys are dude.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's what happens when you don't take the jab. Hey.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
I'm John Caldera in for the very Sick, nearly dead
Michael Brown, who has a man called He's lying there
holding his little teddy bear and his wife's kissing his
forehead saying, they're there, little bunny. It's gonna be okay.
There we go, but help me back. Not to worry.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hey, I've got some questions.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
As a guy who runs Independence Institute in Colorado, I
look at the great, big, beautiful bill.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And I go, what in the world was that.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
So a friend of mine runs the Tax Foundation, which
is just the experts on federal tax policy and tax
policy around the country, Daniel Bud And the other day
we got into it over a beer, and so I thought,
you know what, I want other people to hear this conversation. Daniel,
Thank you for spending some time with us.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
John the Tax Foundation give us the quickest definition you have.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, so you described it pretty well. We're a group
out based out of Washington, DC. We analyze the economics
and tax policy at the federal level. We pay attention
to what's going on at the state level, and we
look at things globally as well. We've got an economic model,
which I'm sure we'll talk a lot about because we
use it so much throughout the process of the big
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beautiful bill. But we're Our goal is to look at
the tax code and provide policy makers with solid analysis,
and that helps them make better choices.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
You put out a state by state do tax fact should?
You put out a little booklet? I depend upon that.
It shows us where Colorado is in terms of spending
and revenue and all sorts of things. It just it's
a terrific resource. Tax Foundation go to tax foundation dot org.
All right, let's let's jump into this. Here's my first
big personal worry. As you know, I've got a son
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who has down syndrome. He is on Medicaid. He's an
adult now, technically he is very very vulnerable. He he
he relies on Medicaid to keep him alive. And what
I've heard is that twelve million people are going to
be cut from the rolls of Medicaid under the one,
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Big Beautiful Bill, that that people like my son are
going to be thrown to the curve, the elderly will
be thrown into the curve.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That it's it's gonna it's going to.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Destroy lives and as they say, people will die.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
How worried should I be about my son?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's a great question. I think for your son, the
worry level should be rather low because what policymakers did
in the Big Beautiful Bill is they really reshape the
incentives for programs to focus more on the populations at
risk rather than able bodied workers, which has been part
of the expansion of medicaid we've seen so much over
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the course of the last decade plus since Obamacare. So
the goal of policy makers in the Beautiful Bill was
to make sure that vulnerable populations, folks like their son,
or folks that are really in trouble and need support
from the government for their medical support, that the policy
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is focused on them. Now, you and I both know
there's a long road from a vote in Congress to
actual impact to lives on the ground, and there's all
sorts of regulatory policy and changes at the state level
that will make this a reality, and we'll have to
see how it plays out. But I'll go back to
saying the goal was to make sure the vulnerable populations
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are the focus of medicaid.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
So basically, if I understand it, heaven forbid people work
before they get benefits. Really, if you are an able person,
if you're an able body person and you're getting Medicaid
benefits Obamacare, that you need to have a job. You
need to have a part time job, or you need
to volunteer, and that's it. And if you're unable to work,
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if you're too old or to infirm your handicapped, that's
not going.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
To apply to you.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
So really, the savings in medicaid reform here is that
people will have to work.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Is that ninety percent of it?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, that's the goal. The challenge will come when states
are trying to figure out, okay, how do we qualify workers,
how do we make sure there's not a paperwork jungle
that even people like you with your son have to
navigate in order to say, well, we really do belong
in this program and really do need to benefit. So
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that will be a challenge. But to your point, yes,
if someone is able to work and able to earn
a living such that they would not be otherwise eligible
for the program, then the program should not support them.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Well, and I think about it. It took three years,
count in three years to get my son enrolled into Medicaid.
This was before Obamacare. And then the idea that any
you know, fraternity bro who's able bodied could go online
and get insurance for after five minutes be enrolled in Medicaid.
It's just crazy. We were giving this this away there
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the this state is going to have to pick up
some of these costs. Now, is that is that the
big Is that the big worry on Medicaid?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, so there's two big things that I think are
important to look at here. So, states were incentivized to
expand their Medicaid programs to these other populations that aren't, uh,
the you know, the core vulnerable populations that Medicaid was
designed for. An in that incentive program, they were essentially
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getting rewarded by the federal government for enrolling people who
otherwise wouldn't have been eligible before the Medicaid expansion. And
then secondly, states were essentially incentivized to tax their Medicaid
providers and then use that tax revenue to roll back
benefits towards Medicaid providers and then the federal government would
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come in with matches. So the approach in the Big
Beautiful Bill says that sounds a lot like money laundering,
and in fact, there was an old Obama administration proposal
to curtail that activity of taxing Medicaid providers and then
funneling additional state and federal money to them, so states
will be more on the hook for funding their Medicaid
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programs going forward, and depending on what policymakers at the
state level choose to do, then you may see some
benefit cuts or some challenges with finalancing those programs, but
again the goal still being that Medicaid focuses on vulnerable populations.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
The fear mongering that's going on over the Medicaid reform
and the Big Beautiful Bill it reminds me a little
of the Why two K scare, so we're all going
to die, We're all going to die, and then nothing
really happened. It even more reminds me of welfare reform
under Clinton, when everyone was freaking out that if the
states had more power over welfare that it would be terrible,
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when in fact it was a huge savings and most
states put in heaven forbid work requirements that people work
before they get the benefits, and that fear didn't happen
as well.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I suspect the same thing here.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, I think we'll have to see how all this
plays out. But you're absolutely right that a lot of
times the dialogue gets to the extremes really fast, especially
in health policied discussions, when reality may not. I don't
think likely will line up with those extreme predictions.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And let's do the other side of the Big Beautiful Bill,
which is the debt side. It increases our debt ceiling sizeably,
and it's one of the reasons why Elon Musk went
to war over it, saying this is fiscal ruin. How
bad does this make our debt situation? And when people
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when people say, you know, Republicans are the fiscal conservatives,
no politicians, no politician is a fiscal conservative.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
They want to spend.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
How bad is the Big Beautiful Bill when it comes
to increasing our debt.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
So this is where our modeling and our approach attack
foundation really came into play. We look at both the
policies themselves. We look at the impact on revenue on spending.
We look at the impact on the broader economy, and
if there's a positive impact on the economy, you may
see some revenue kind of channel back into the federal
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government through what we call dynamic scoring.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And when we.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Look at this big picture, we look at information from
the Congressional Budget Office, the Joint Committee on Taxation, and
our own analysis. This bill says that over the course
of the next ten years, the debt will be about
three trillion dollars larger than if Congress had not done this.
Now that's not saying that Congress should have done nothing,
because if Congress did nothing, then sixty two percent of
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households would have seen a sizeable tax increase at the
end of the year. But to your point, John, there's
a way to do these things that is more fiscally
responsible than saying, well, you know, we're going to just
add another three trillion to the debt over the next
ten years.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
And there's a real reason why Rand Paul and others
were like, no, this, this doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It makes it worse. And our debt problem is a
terrible issue.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
If I got it right, we're spending more money on
interest payments on our national debt than we're spending on
national defense.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
This is an issue.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yes, absolutely, it's an issue, and with interest rates where
they are, it's not something that I would say is
particularly sustainable. In fact, some of the things that I
looked at when we were talking about this big, Beautiful
Bill Act is that there were trade offs that policy
makers made that actually made this bill more expensive than
it needed to be. Increases in the state and local
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tax deduction cap, the new provisions that Trump campaigned on,
no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, even the
tax cut for seniors are not things that I would
have prioritized in a situation where our debt burden is
already so large and our interest payments are larger than
what we would otherwise be what we're spending on national defense.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Let's talk about some of the some of the losses here, taxes,
no taxes on tips, no taxes on overtime. What those
those seem like bad policy to me? That whether you
earn your money or tips, or you're earn your money
other ways, it's still your income.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Why why is it.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
That if I can convince somebody to give me tips,
it shouldn't be taxed.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Do you guys have a strong feeling on this.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I do have a strong feeling on this, and this
is what fiscal policy folks, public finance people talk about
horizontal equity, that if you're earning roughly the same amount
of money, or if you're in a similar life situation,
that the tax code should treat you equally. But it
with this policy, you know, taxes on tips. You might
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be you know, a line chef earning a certain amount
of money and you might be a you know, a
member of the weight staff that's earning the same amount
of money, but the wait staff gets a tax cut.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And the line chef does not. And that's to.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Me a fundamental flaw in the approach that was taken here.
Even with overtime, you could, you know, we can debate
kind of on the nuances of this. It's it's nice
to be able to say that the you know, the
next dollar of earnings when you're earning money in overtime
might not be taxed, and that incentiviz is more work.
But honestly, these things complicate the tax code and you know,
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just you know, less than a decade ago, policy makers
were talking about trying to fit the tax code on
an index card, and we know that's not possible, but
this is going in the opposite direction both in the
way you design tax policy, and it goes completely against
simplifying the tax code.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Talk to me about the salt deduction, and this was
such a disappointment. The first Trump tax code from twenty
seventeen did this beautiful thing that angered liberals and also
to big government states where it took away their deductions
for local taxes, and Republicans really wimped out when it
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came to this and.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
We lost something. Explain it to me briefly.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, So I'd say we lost two things.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
One, when the.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Tax cuts in job decks was passed in twenty seventeen,
it was already the case that a lot of taxpayers
in high income tax states or states with or jurisdictions
with high property taxes or whatever, that they would see
those deductions limited. But they wouldn't that the provisions in
the tax code at the time weren't all that transparent.
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You might be limited because you're paying through the alternative
minimum tax or you're facing the peace limitation, but ultimately
you might not have much of a state and local
tax deduction left over. But because the system was so opaque,
you didn't really realize it. You thought that you would
be able to benefit from those deductions. So what the
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tax cuts and jobs that did is it made it
a lot more transparent. All of a sudden, everybody in
these high tax jurisdictions could say, I only get to
deduct ten thousand dollars and that's it, when in a
lot of cases because of the rates and bracket changes
in the tax cuts and jobs at the vast majority
of people did see a tax cut, but it became
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this kind of, you know, focal point for the debate.
And over the course of the last several years, we've
seen this collection of policy makers from high tax jurisdictions
for what's been called the salt Caucus State and local
tax salt Salt Caucus in Congress to push for increasing
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that cap of ten thousand dollars now limiting itemized deductions,
limiting the salt deduction. That's good policy, and it in
the twenty seventeen bill we saw an improvement on transparency,
but we saw rolled back on both of those points.
In the big Beautiful Bill, the salt cap moved up.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I take that as a real loss.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Let's talk a couple of things that I've I'm just
delighted by They might not be huge, but I'm just
delighted by the first is cutting funding for public broadcast
and national public radio a long long overdue.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Does it cut their funding one hundred percent?
Speaker 3 (15:24):
No, it does not. And this was actually separate, a
separate piece of legislation. This was a recisions package that
only comes up every every once in a while. You
rarely see it in Washington, DC, where you're fundamentally cutting
spending that was already approved, but that will cut spending
to those entities through the end of this fiscal year,
and then Congress is already debating spending for the next
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round of appropriations, so it's going to be a fight
that comes up again very quickly here.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah, and for me, the idea of government sponsored media
is just a dangerous, dangerous thing, no matter who the
government is. The other one that I loved was that
the tax breaks for evs from the federal level, at
least the direct tax break is going to go away.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Is that correct.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's correct, and that's a big improvement because you don't
want to see the tax code picking winners and losers
or manipulating the marketplace. And moving away from that is
a real, real improvement in federal tax policy too.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Let me let me bottom line this, Daniel bun from
from the Tax Foundation. You're in Congress, You're the last
guy to decide. You're the sole vote on whether the
one big, beautiful bill passes or fails.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
How do you personally vote?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
That's a great question, John, and I've thought about this.
This isn't the first time I've been asked that question.
But you know, honestly, I think relative to the alternative,
which is a massive tax hike at the end of
the year, and relative to the alternative where you end
up in UH negotiations with much more harmful or more
distortive taxes. Think on net, it's a yes vote for me,
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and that's really tough vote, but it's one of those
things where you kind of take the wins where you
have them and see opportunities for reform down the road.
One of the things here is that this bill made
permanent the most pro growth policies that were on the
table as options, and it may some of the word things.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
In complete agreement with you, I don't like the bill.
I would have voted yes. Sausage making is imperfect. Hey, Daniel,
thank you so much for your music. I really appreciate
you spending some time with us. Those explanations were important.
Go to tax foundation dot org.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
I'll be back right after this.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Hey, John, I seriously doubt that Tamer is anywhere near
Brownie at this moment.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
She's probably down in the in disclosed location in New Mexico.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
I'm thinking that Brownie's wife has had to put up
with so many years of his man cold wimpiness that yeah,
she she's probably out visiting the bartender that would be
my guest.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Plus she works at school, so there's no chance she
would be dealing She deals with that year round. She
doesn't deal with that at home with Michael, so she's
she's out of this.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Yeah, there's the children at school, but then there's the
much more child at home.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, yeah, this this, this is, this is an issue.
You know, as as I said before yesterday, man cold
awareness is that an It's just that a low women
have no sympathy for men who have colds. Yet we're
supposed to have sympathy for you know, now when they
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have childbirth.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
It just doesn't seem fair, does not seem fair.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
You know, I don't think there's anything more horrendous than
a man could ever go through.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I mean, seriously, look at it like this. A woman
will choose to have another kid. She will sit there
and go, I want to have another baby. I don't
think a man has ever said I'd like to have
another man cold.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Women don't understand how near death we get when we
have the sniffles. They'd have no idea that we are teetering,
that there's there's a bright light that comes and we
want to walk into it.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And they don't.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
They don't realize the depths of the illness that is
man cold, and therefore they don't they don't have any
any sympathy. I mean, how many men must die of
sniffles every year before society wakes up to the.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Horrors of man cold.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
How many more good men must lay there seeing the
remote control just out of reach their fingertips, and no,
no one is there to.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Come and bring him that remote control. That the humanity.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Yeah, I know, we talk about what goes on in
Gaza and the Holocaust and all these, but my god,
there are men with sniffles who have run out of
Kleenex and might have to use bathroom tissue. These are
problems that women do not understand or care about. Yeah,
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but yet we we gotta, we gotta listen to women
talk about, you know, my water broke, I need an epidural.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Then me, me, me, me me.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
But when a man has the sniffles or a cough, nothing, nothing,
You know, a woman when she goes into birth has
like a pit crew around her. She's on a bed
that is a transformer. I mean, it's a car here,
than it's an airplane there. It moves up and down,
it does all these things. And she's got nurses and
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doctors and people running around with flowers and everything. But
a man has a man cold, is there with a
runny nose, and there's no support team. It is something
man must suffer alone. It is it is the burden
of our gender, gentlemen, that we must suffer a head
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cold in shame and darkness and alone.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
How much more do we bear?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Let's all take a little time to have a moment
of silence for Michael Brown, who's got the sniffles today.
Dear Lord, please help Michael through the sniffles. We understand
he's not your favorite child. We understand that if there
was something as a yeah, it's Michael Brown, but still
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somebody must love him, and that someone will be hurt
when he dies of sniffelitis.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Please Lord help him through this dark, dark time.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Anything you want to add on that other than other
than how great it's been not having to deal with
its fantastic. Oh man, I don't know how you do it.
So what is the worst part about dealing with Michael
Brown every day? Michael Brown? Yeah, yeah, I mean they
pay me. They don't pay me well, but they pay me,
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so I show up.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, I guess the bigger question is what's your problem?
Is this all you can do for a living? Pretty much?
I've got no other skills. Yeah, I know. That's why
I run a think tank.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
If I and if I lose that job, I'm you're
screwing sol.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I got nothing. I mean, that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You have to rely on your your looks and only fans,
and they ain't going anywhere.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
And you know once that guy who was my only
customer and only fans ended up going to prison.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
He's not allowed on the internet anymore. I've lost a
lot of disposable income because of that.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Okay, So can I speak? Permission to speak?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
This is a woman who doesn't understand the power. Yes, please, Kelly,
what have you got.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
To Okay, the best part of my entire pregnancy was
when the doctor broke my water and everything just leaked out.
It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
That's gross.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
It is not.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Did your husband talk about his poop?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You know?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I was like, oh, this was a great poop.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I had no no, no, no, they broke my water
so I could actually we'll supposedly have the baby. I
ended up having a c section, So who gets a crap?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
But why was this a great thing? That sounds awful? No, no,
you have no idea. I gained eighty eight.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Pounds you, yes, little thing. How did you gain eighty
eight pounds? It's a whole other person.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Uh yeah yeah, it was called Trevor.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
He's twenty two.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Now does he ever send you an apology email or something?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I'm sorry I did all that to you, mom.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Well, he also.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
M it's okay, you can embarrass him. We don't care.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
Well, no, he uh he almost killed me in utero.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, because because he the man.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Yeah no, this is in utero people, But.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But still, a man cold is just as dangerous as
whatever Trevor put you through.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
It was pretty bad. Yeah, I had I almost had
a heart attack.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
It was bad.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
He sucked potassium from my heart.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And wait a second, just a quick question, and then
he came out. Yeah, did you keep him?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Well he was nine pounds ten ounces, he was kind
of a big kid.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And did you keep him? Did you keep him? Question Mark?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Yeah, we have him.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
So somebody comes over and almost kills me. The last
thing I'm going to do is reward that attempted murder
with eighteen years of food, clothing, and shelter. Well, did
you decided to do this for this guy?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
I did, and then I had another one.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Chose to have another baby. It was not my fault.
That was never never to me. It was not my fault. Fault,
not my fault. You weren't there. We have videotape that
shows you were there. You're apart.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Okay, okay, that's not my fault.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's his fault. How's it his fault? I can't get graphic. Yeah,
but you were there, lady, you were there. I still
blame him, all right, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
The answer is you say, I just wanted to back
rub and then I got a baby.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
That's all all right? So so you went through pregnancy.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
This person tried to kill you, you reward him with
eighteen years of food and shelter, and you want to
get murdered again, So you have another baby. Now, when
you had a baby, was there support around you?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Of course? Was there? Was there a team around you
when you were having that baby? Well, first of.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
All, yes, I mean was.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
The father there holding your hand while you had the baby?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
No, he actually was late to the second C section,
but he.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Was there for the first one.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Yes, all right, yeah, so he showed up, but he
was there, but he found out a team around you.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You were in a hospital, people asked you were ridiculous
questions like it was.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
It was about seven hours of hell until I told
the doctor get this thing out of me or I
will kill you. But the second one, this is always
happens on the second one. Uh, Adam was coming home
from a trip and he kind of came in and
(27:56):
and I was very big again, and uh it was
a planned c section, so it was kind of very
I don't know, mechanical. It was kind of like, okay,
sit here, all right, we're gonna give you an up
duraal okay here, And I was good with it all right.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
You're missing the point that Dragon and I.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Are trying, well, you guys are trying to make.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
The point is simple that when you went through something
that was near death and very very painful, that there,
your man was there, The society was there.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
People said to flowers, everyone said doctors.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
But when a man has a cold, which is scientifically
proven to be ten times more painful than childbirth, which
is much more deadly than ebola, that when a man
has a head cold, women just don't give them the
attention and sympathy they need to survive.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Men have to suffer and shame alone us did she not?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
True?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
True?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
I did not. I did not.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
So when your man has a cold, are you does
he have the same level of support around him that
you did when you had You know that minor inconvenience
of childbirth.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
First of all, cold is different from childbirth.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Colds are worse, worse.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
We agree with you, Absolutely, head cold for a man
much less.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
You get sliced from belly button to your vagina, and
be pride open and compare that to a cold.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
You don't understand, lady.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
When I have a cold, sometimes I rub my nose
with the Kleenex so much it gets red, sometimes red
even even shaved, and my lips can get dry. And
I'm parched, parched, and you're talking about getting sliced open,
like that's a deal.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You see, This is what I mean. Dragon.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
These chicks have no simple get it. They don't get
the pain and horror of a man.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Can't comprehend the just we can't it can't we try
to explain it to them in simple terms.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Sometimes sometimes you your throat kind of tickles, it tickles,
and you need ice cream or something, and there's nobody
to bring you the ice cream.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
I bet when Kelly was laying on that transformer bed, somebody.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Was like, would you like some shaved ice? Would you
like some water? Somebody's there handing her. Somebody had her.
Here's a popsicle for you. You know.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
A man is there going honey, I need the remote dry?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Where's the remote? I'm dying here? Nothing. I think we've
proved in our case. Let's take a quick breather. I'm
John Gilderic and thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Keep it right here on six thirty KOW Good morning
from South Dakota.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Ozzy Osbourne bit the head off of a bath. What's
the big deal. Doctor Fauci says, lots of people ate bats.
Everyone have a great day, A very fair point.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
I admit I was never much of an Ozzy Osbourne fan,
wasn't It wasn't my style of music.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And I had a friend who passed away a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
And he did the perfect Ozzy Osbourne impersonation.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It was. It was incredible. In fact, he wrote a
book called My Year as Ozzy, and he.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
And you go around town and people would think he's
Ozzy Osbourne and he'd get into everything for free.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Uh, just just.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Oneonderful I think Ozzie was known for, you know, yeah,
biting the heads off of bats, because why wouldn't you.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
But he was.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Really, I guess, a pioneer in that reality TV silliness
that then became The Kardashians. I never really watched his show.
I don't watch the Kardashians. I despise reality TV. I
find it just so ridiculously boring. If you're looking for
real TV, check out Independence Institute at thinkfreedom dot org.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Thinkfreedom dot org. Check out the.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Many video and podcasts we have, including Devil's Advocate. You've
watched that on Channel twelve on Friday nights at eight
thirty and go to Think Freedom and sign up for
at least our newsletter. Love to stay in contact with
you in Brownie. I hope you feel better.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'll be back.
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