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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Michael, the show was rather interesting last week while you
were out.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Are you sure you're okay? Maybe you should.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Take a few more days of rest and get better.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh bite my ass.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You know it's too early in the morning to be
putting up with talkbacks like that. When was that left?
Was that left this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sure was? You know how good grief? You know I was.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I was back Thursday, Friday, I did Saturday's program. You know,
you get what you pay for, So just shut shut up,
sit down, and just listen. Good grief. It's Monday morning.
It's you know, supposed to be like you know, the
climate change is gonna make it one hundred degrees to.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Day, record breaking temperature.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Breaking temperatures in July, and you know in the summertime.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I can't handle it. I can't handle it. Just can't
handle it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And I can't handle it too because I know that
I think she's probably still in bed, is at home
cranking the you know, the thermostat down to meat locker status.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So you know, I can see Excel going ham.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
We're going to rip that. I'll go off today. I
have a serious question and I don't want to tell you, well,
I will tell you why but I won't give you
the details about why I'm asking this question. So this
will be next month, the twentieth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.
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And I've already had several, actually i'd say probably half
a dozen of the major news outlets already reach out
to me and ask if I wouldn't sit down for
an interview. And I've only hinted to. First of all,
I've said no. I shouldn't say I said no. I've
(01:48):
just ignored. I've ignored the networks ABC, CBS and NBC.
A couple of the cable channels have reached out, and
because I happen to know the producers, I've just told
them I don't know yet. I just don't know what
I want to do. Then nationally, there have been a
(02:09):
couple of yeah, let's let's stick with national for a moment.
So then nationally there have been a couple, only one
of which I've given any indication that I would consider it,
and that's been Susan Page at USA Today. Susan Page
is she's a lefty. You see her a lot on
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MSNBC and on Fox News. Oftentimes she is a panelist
on Fox News Sunday or Brett Bear's program or whatever,
and she's a fairly rational human being. But don't get
me wrong, I still understand who these people are and
where they're coming from. Then I've gotten I would say, uh, one, two,
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maybe four, five, not very many, but four or five
from and not necessarily these are really the true people.
But I'll just give you as examples. Let's say that
a major newspaper in New Orleans or one of the
major newspapers in Miami Miami Dade County or Orange County, Florida,
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in any of the counties in Florida, have reached out
and said, you know, we'd like to have a conversation.
Can you know, would you be a willing to sit
down with an interview? You know, we'd like to you know,
it's the twentieth anniversary, blah blah blah, we'd like to
talk to you about it. Then I will tell you
that what's prompted this, what's got me to the point
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where I've got to ask you what your advice is.
I'm trying to crowdsource this advice because I really don't
I have not decided what to do yet. I honestly
don't know what to do. I'll tell you what I'd
like to do, and that is just ignore all of them.
I just don't care because regardless of what I say
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or do, I know what everything around, even if they
quote me accurately, even if they are as best as
they can be, which is not very good, as best
as they can be objective, they at the at the end,
at the conclusion of whatever it is, a television interview
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or a newspaper article or whatever, they'll still carry the
same old narrative. It'll be the same old narrative over
and over and over again. My daughter alerted me about
a month ago that a certain it's it's not one
of the networks, but one of the other channels, it
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is doing a twentieth year retrospective and it apparently aired
recently because in my X time. Let me just pull
my X timeline up. I don't know whether you can
see this or not, because they put my name at
the beginning of the post, and then if you don't
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put the dot, I'm not really sure whether that shows
up where you can see it or not. But here's
what someone who describes herself as Jay the real.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
U n Rice whatever that whatever that means.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
She's a six footer six footer, former college hooper, sports fanatic,
love to travel, I was supposed to be a mermaid,
and then a couple of palm tree and a son emoji.
She has one hundred and seventy eight followers. I'm not
making fun of that. I'm just pointing out that, you know,
it's not like a Ji Gay. It's it's not like
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Shaq who follows me, who's got you know, bazillion followers,
you know, more than a million that you know, if
he wrote something, you know the whole world would see it.
But here's what she wrote, Sir, you should be ashamed
of yourself. You will be forever be the one to
take the blame for hashtag Katrina. People died in all
caps while you had to quote wait for you food
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at dinner. That's what she wrote, quote wait for you
food at dinner. This group has the emails written by you,
Shame on you. And then she's I don't know, she
tags ABC, CBS and NBC News.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I know the I know what.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Event she's talking about because my daughter had told me
this is coming up. I won't know if I knew
anything about it, and so I read about it last
night and it makes a really strange comment in it.
In the middle of it, it says a Cassandra Cassandra.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like figure.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Reads emails, reads emails that fell on leadership's deaf ears.
Now I'm going to take I'm making a big ass
assumption here that one of those emails is. And I don't
know whether I ever told you this story or not,
but I was a friend of mine, hey, I should
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say probably a former friend of mine. To be precise,
a former friend of mine had said, let me take
you to dinner real quickly. So we went to this
restaurant in Baton Rouge. And when when I walked into
the restaurant in Baton Rouge, uh, virtually everybody in the
restaurant recognized me. Some people stood up and applauded, Some
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people came over and told me to hang in there.
Some people, you know, the restaurant was incredibly considerate and
was it was quite Frankly, I was shocked by it.
But unbeknownst to me, my press secretary at the time
had received some media inquiries wanting to know if you know,
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they wanted to talk to me about x y Z
have No. I don't even remember what X Y z
was about but unbeknownst to me, she told them without
saying a word to me. She said, no, he needs
his rest time and he's having dinner and cannot be disturbed.
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When I found out that she had written that email,
I fired her. She was a political appointee.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I walked up.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You know she she's now deceased. She she was, she
was a nice lady. She was a political appointee. She
had someone had been sent to me by the White House,
and uh.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I sent her back. I sent her home. I sent
her back to d C.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And said, when you get back, we're going to find
something else for you to do, because you are not
going to be my press secretary. And I reached out Toby,
who was Dick Cheney's chief of staff and my former
press secretary had gone to work for Cheney. So I
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asked Scooter. I said, Scooter, can I can can I have?
Can I have my press secretary back? Because I just
fired mine because she and I told her told Scooter
what she had done, and he's like, oh my god,
that's that's insane. You know that's going to blow up
in your face. I'm like, no, Fesis Sherlock, really, So
I know that's what this woman on X is referring to.
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I just don't care if I deal with any of
these people. I just don't care. I don't know what,
but I don't know whether I should or I should not.
Now I'm obviously going to ask some experts. I have
a friend in New York who is a who runs
a an amazing public relations firm, and in fact, he
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took on, of all people, what's what's the dirt bag Hollywood?
Me too, guy? What was that guy's name the Holly? Yeah, Harvey,
Harvey Weinstein. Yes, he represents Harvey Weinstein. He takes on
those kinds of cases and he's done an amazing job
for Harvey Weinstein. By the way, anyway, he's a consummate
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PR official and he's a friend of mine, and I
just want to get his his take. But I thought,
you know what, you guys listen to me day.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
In and day out. Well except for dirtbag uh boys
a talk back.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Uh, you guys listen to me day in and day out.
And I thought, yeah, I'm gonna talk to the experts,
but you guys kind of know me. So the question
is very simply, should I do any or all of these.
Should I not do any of them? Should I do?
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Perhaps maybe Susan Page with USA Today. Let me tell
you why I'm even considering Susan Page, because that's one
national newspaper that would set what everybody else is going
to cover, good or bad. It's going to be what
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it is. I don't want to do the Washington Post.
I don't want to do the New York Times, I
don't want to do the LA Times. I really just
don't want to do any of them. But I feel
this enormous pressure to do something. And so I'm crowdsourcing
all of you for your advice about what you would
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do if you were in my position, because quite frankly,
you know, I've written a book, Deadly Indifference, the perfect
political Storm, Hurricane Trina and the Bush Administration is available
and wherever books are sold. If you haven't read the book,
I would encourage you to go buy the book and
read the book. There is anything in that book that
I would change. It just tells you the truth about
you know, here's what happened, and and in fact, I
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even address this particular point that continues to be a
narrative twenty years later. So obviously the people that produced
this program didn't read the book, didn't give a crap
about what I had to say anyway, so it's like,
why should I say anything? So I I had not
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intended to mention this today. Well, I hadn't been intended to.
I've even been thinking about it, whether that I've been
trying to decide if I'm going to do anything or
not until I woke up this morning and saw this
post from nine hours ago, and I thought, well, here
we go. It's it and it's going to start rolling.
So I don't know. Two ways you can let me
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know what you think. You can obviously send me a
text message three three wednes zero three key word Mike
or Michael. You can email me Michael Brown at iHeartMedia
dot com, Michael Brown at iHeartMedia do And I'm really serious,
I would you know, if you just want to send
a don't do it or do do it, that's fine,
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but I'd really truly like to hear your reasoning about
why you would or would not do it if you
were in my shoes. And it's twenty years later and
virtually everything that's been said, and maybe I'm making my
own case for it here, but I just want you
to understand, what's you know, bouncing around the marbles in
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my head right now. Everything that's been said could possibly
be said. There's there's, there's nothing to do under the sun.
It was kind of interesting that this person on X,
you know, it was like, oh, this outBut has all
your emails? Well if you the I had a I
had a congressman from Louisiana who got everything in one
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of the even of my emails for like a I
don't know, like a four week period and took that database,
which we you know, we're required to supply it versus
a Freedom of Information Act. So my staff took all
of my emails, redacted all the personally identifying information, and
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just and heading them over to the congressman. You know
what the congressman did, He immediately sent the entire pocket
to the New York Times. So the old Gray lady
has you know, thousands of emails from me, and the
New York Times has covered those incessantly. So this woman
is like, oh wow, this of course I'm so tempted.
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I'm so tempted right back and say, well, you're some
kind of stupid because this is this is nothing new
and you clearly don't even know the story behind the
oh you had to wait for your dinner. You don't
even know the background of that story. So I kind
of feel like I'm just you know, uh. They they're
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beating a dead horse, and and I've fully disclosed everything
that I think needs to be disclosed. In fact, I
would say I've disclosed everything. There's nothing. I mean, between
all the congressional hearings and everything else, there's not a
single thing. I was having a conversation with a friend
recently about Kandy Rice and how I think Kandy's still
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mad at me for having written the book because I
criticized I criticized the president. I criticized the president because
when he had the chance to land in Baton Rouge
and give me a hand, he failed to do so.
He stared out the damn windows of Air Force one
flew over New Orleans and then went back to d C. Well,
I'm screaming at Andy Carr, the chief Actually I think
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it was Joe Hagen who was on board, the deputy
chief of Staff. I'm screaming at him on the telephone
while they're flying over. You don't need to worry about
you need to land in Baton Rouge, which is you
know what, ninety miles away or something. You need to
land in Baton Rouge. We've got the entire you know,
airport taken down. It's it's ours. You know, you can
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land here, secret services. You know, we've already got you know,
the place secure you can land. And if you can't land,
give us an hour, just go circle around for an
hour and then we'll have you land. But you know, no, no, no,
we're we're just going to fly with those we think.
That's you know, and that's all Carl Rove, which is
why you know, to this day, Karl and I don't
have a well, let's just say we don't have a
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very amiable relationship. So what would you do in my shoes?
What would you do? Would you do USA today? Would
you do others? Would you do any of these smaller
you know, say Florida or it was kind of interesting.
I will I'll give you one detail the uh and
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I forget what outlet it is in New Orleans, but
there is a television outlet, one of the local news
channels who's doing a series of interviews with people who
were actively involved. And they reached out to me, and
they told me, here, here are the three. I think
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they've done three or four of them. Here the three
or four that we've done so far, so you'll see
kind of what we're looking at. We're just kind of
looking at, you know, kind of where are you today?
And you know what you remember kind of stuff. And
they are being fairly objective, except they're interviewing all local people,
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and they're doing those live, in person interviews. And I
responded and said, and maybe I didn't make it clear.
Maybe I should run them back and make it clear
I'll pay for it. But I said, you're doing all
of these other interviews live and in person. I will
not do one over zoom or FaceTime or you know, remotely.
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I want to sit in the same room eyeball to
eyeball with the reporter because I want to see, you know,
and I want to be able to record. I want
a recording of the entire interview. And I don't want
to be sitting in a studio in Denver somewhere while
a reporter in New Orleans is doing an interview. I
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want it face to face, and I'd be happy to
come down there and do that. It's kind of interesting
and maybe it's because they don't have the money and
they'd think I'm asking them to pay for it. I'm
not asking them to pay for it. I could fly
to New Orleans, do the interview, and fly back in
a day. It doesn't make any difference to me. I'm
more than happy to do that, but it's important enough
to me to do it in person. But otherwise I'm
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not interested in doing it because there is a huge
difference when you do a face to face with their reporter. Anybody,
anybody in politics will tell you try to avoid the
stupid two bocks for three bucks interview because those can
be so easily edited and you don't know, you know,
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the notes they're being handed to them, who's in the room,
what's being whispered to them, You don't know any of
that stuff. So I want to be there. Do you
want to interview me? We'll do it face to facebook.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Though.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Do you remember when Joe Biden took forty of his
time off on vacation. The mainstream news media would have
us believe that over the weekend Trump was on vacation
playing golf. Well, while he was playing golf, he did
close a seven hundred and fifty billion dollar trade deal
with the EU that favored the US. I cannot imagine
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either Biden or Hairs as president. We would be screwed.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, one of the biggest trade deals of all And
what's the big news. Oh, there's a heat wave coming.
There's a heat wave coming. Just boggle, absolutely boggles my
mind about what they think is important. Eene, Oregon is
hosting the festive Lane County Fair through I think maybe
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used through yesterday. The local media takes that, took that
as an opportunity to gripe about Alligator Alcatraz, and the
merchandise is being sold about Alligator Alcatraz. Social media, they say,
is buzzing with disapproval and anger over t shirts being
sold that depict Alligator Alcatraz. This make shift immigration detention
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facility was established by the Trump administration in the Florida
Everglades and has been criticized by human rights groups as
cruel and inhumane. Really because I think they could build
a four seasons a Ritz Carlton. They could put up
the worst of the worst criminal foreign invaders in the
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Ritz Carlton, well.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You know, like they kind of do in New York City.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
And still all these leftist human rights groups, but still
and sniping meaning me about it. Anything short of a
absolute capitulation to this invasion is somehow cruel and inhumane. Honestly,
it's kind of sad, said Jasper Burchard, a concerned fair goer.
It's really sad to see something so messed up just
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being paraded around like it's something fun. You know, what's
really sad is sulking liberal scolds. You know, just go
to the fair and have some fun, and don't forget
to buy some alligator alcatraz merchandise because it's guaranteed to
annoy the dumbasses among us who simply cannot stand the
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idea that Donald Trump is, huh enforcing the law.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What When I came in.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Dan's text message, he apparently was talking about speeding on
his program Friday, and I find the story is interesting.
Now take whatever you whatever your position is about speeding,
I take with a grain of salt. There probably isn't
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one of you that, at some point or another, either
purposely or accidentally, have exceeded the speed limit. You've gone
two miles over, well, technically that one mile over is
speeding five miles or ten miles an hour. And then
that all becomes relative. You're doing five miles over the
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speed limit when it's eighty miles an hour, Okay, whatever
you're doing, you know, five miles over the speed limit
in a school zone where there's a bus with the
lights flashing and there are a bunch of kids. That's
entirely different too. But what I found interesting was that
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some of the people on on Dan's text line talk
about what they want done. Why we need to put
you know, new cars should come with a with an
automatic governor in them. We should be using artificial intelligence
to analyze exactly how everybody drives. We need more eyes
and diskies, we need satellites, we need everything possible.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
We need to control.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
We need to absolutely fix cars where they can't do
anything but just go from point A to point B.
And I thought, wait, wow, this this is analogous to
the people who are upset that Trump is now enforcing
the law. We all get mad when we are the
one that you know, you're you're driving, you know it's
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happened to people all the time. You're you're driving in
in a group of cars down the interstate, and you
know the let's just say it's seventy five miles an
hour and everybody's driving eighty five miles an hour, and
Colorado State patrolman decides to pull somebody out, you know,
so they pull you out, and of course the first
thing you say is.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well, why'd you pull me over? Because everybody else was
doing it too? Why'd you bawl me over?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Are we not too? And is this not what we
voted for? Do have we already forgotten about the cages
during Obama and Biden?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Member?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Have we already forgotten about Alexandria Cassia Cortez going down
to the border and she had her fingers looped into
the chainley fence and she was sulking, and she was
crying because oh it's still said, Oh my gosh, my
heart goes out to all those people. Wait a minute,
Wait a minute. The only people that I truly have
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any sympathy for are those who were young enough that
they had no control over where their parents took them.
They were twelve years old, they were two years old.
Doesn't make any difference if if you're twelve years old
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and your parents decide to move from Lakewood to Sterling,
you go with your parents. You don't really have a
choice in that. So for the kids who were brought here,
or for the kids who parents came here before they
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were born or while mom was pregnant, I actually do
have empathy and sympathy for them because this is all
that was all beyond their control. Now you may not,
and that's fine. I'm not asking you to agree with me.
I'm just saying that I actually have sympathy for those
people because they've been put in a position that is
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a no fault of their own. Now, if they were
eighteen years old and mom and dad said, Hey, we're
gonna go across the real grand and we're gonna go
to help Passo, and we're eventually going to make our
way to Denver, and you're gonna come with us, and
they were like, Okay, well I think i'll come too.
I'm not sure I have much sympathy for you because
you're of age, assuming that's the age of majority in
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your country, whatever country it was, and you made the
decision to go along with your parents, I don't really
have that much sympathy for you. But if you're the
under the age of eighteen, or you're under the age
of majority in you came and now your parents or
your uncle, or your grandfather or your dad, or somebody
is here illegally. And in addition to that, a is
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committed to crime, and they're now in Alligator Alcatraz and
you're in a cage with a bed, and you know,
with you gotta well, it's not even a porta potty.
It's better, it's it's a builgi in body. You've got
to commote. I don't sorry, sorry you're in that situation,
but yeah, it sucks to be. You should have thought
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about that before you came over. But set them all
aside for a moment, just aside for a moment. Why
is it, you know, speaking of that first segment, thinking
about the media, why does the media push this narrative out?
Why do they continue to make you make you want
to feel badly about someone who's broken the law and
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now they're in a holding detention center until they can
be deported. If someone robs a bank, rapes a woman,
molests a child, commits an assault and battery, drives drunk
and kills, names or injures someone, and they get thrown
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the Denver County jail and then they maybe get transferred
to one prison and then maybe eventually get transferred to
another prison. And oh, by the way, they get separated
from their minor children, who you know, assuming if mom's
around or dad, depending on who the defendant is, mom
or dad is around, that's called a family separation. And
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now they're in a prison. And do you really think
that Have you ever been in a prison? I don't
mean like for a crime. Have you ever been in
a prison? And I don't mean like in a visitor center.
Have you ever been in a prison? I have. I've
been in a couple of state prisons, and I've been
in a couple of county jails, well, several county jails
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around the country. And they're not They're not places that
I want to spend any time in whatsoever, not at all?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Why?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Why?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Why do we not a bitch about that? What separates?
Have you ever thought about? What separates? These people who
broke into the country, violated the Immigration and Naturalization Act,
remain here illegally some you know, so that's a that's
a misdemeanor. But you leave and come back now you've
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committed a fell or while you're here illegally, you commit
a crime. I really have come to the conclusion that.
I don't, you know, if you commit murder, No, I
don't know how i'd feel if that. You know, I've
tried to think about this. If someone murdered my spouse
or my family and they were an illegal alien, but
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I want them deported. Uh, there's a part of me
that wants them deported, But there's also a part of
me that does want them thrown in jail. Here. Even
though they're not American citizens, they still committed murder. Because
think about it this way. If someone's here on a
tourist visa, they've come here from France, they've decided to
visit from Hong Kong, where where doesn't make any difference.
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They've come here and they murder your family. Don't you
want them in prison?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I want them in prison. But if they've been convicted
of gang activity, and they've not been convicted of any
particular one bodily crime, one personal crime of you know,
murdering or raping someone, then put them in out of
the alligator Alcatraz and send them send them to whatever
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craphole country that we've got a treaty with that we
can send them to. I don't care, I truly don't care.
And if you want to make you know, at the
State Fair in Oregon, in which I find kind of
funny an organ of all places, of course they would
bitch and moan about somebody selling Alligator Alcatraz, you know, merch,
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because oh my gosh, well that's just that's inhumane. Really,
I think it's capitalism and the people that buy it. Huh,
would would you buy something? Would you buy a T
shirt that said I support illegal immigration? I wouldn't because
I don't, And I wouldn't want to give whatever ngo
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or nonprofit or even individual that's just out trying to
make a buck.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I wouldn't want to give them any money in order
to do that.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
In order to have a T shirt or a sweater
or a hoodie or anything else that supports illegal immigrant.
So if somebody wants to support Alligator Alcatraz and somebody's
out there making money on it, then I say touche,
go for it, and then stop and think about why
is it that the local media is so so so
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so upset about it?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know why? Because once again they support illegal immigration.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Michael, I know, I sound like some googer from Libby, Montana,
because I'm happily retired by choice, Door, Dash, Starbucks, AEG,
like Nation, Nascar, Nike, baw Er Hockey, Oakley, BP Oil,
and Subway. Never apologize, never explain, objectivity.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And truth are not participants in this twenty year autopsy.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Just say no baby. Just say no baby. And that's
actually the direction that I'm leaning. Not all of these
uh dip wads. I don't I want to call them
something else. UH starts with a d uh, ends with heads.
(32:12):
They should all get their own shows on MSNBC. Have
you ever wanted to scream at something? I I've screamed it.
I mean not literally, like not some sort of primal scream,
but I have screamed in my car like something I've heard.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
On the news. An Well Lake, Michigan, along.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
The shores of Chicago is now home to a scream club.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
What picture us like like a like a pressure cooker.
What happens when the pressure cooker gets to pressureize right.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
It explodes?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I think this is a good way for us to
be able to in a healthy way, to release whatever
we have going.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
On inside out into the void.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I was having a real bad day with my partner
one day.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We were walking by the lake.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I just said to her, Hey, do you want to
go scream by the lake? And she's like, yes, let's
do it. There were a few people sitting around and
I just said, hey, look, we're about to scream into lake.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm so sorry to bother you. Do you want to
join us?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
And they were like yes, absolutely so and we screamed
into the lake. A few people cried, and then I
looked right at my girlfriend. I was like, I think
this is something that we got to start, and the
Scream Club was born.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
As I watched this. So here are people lining the
shores of Lake Michigan, and you see the skyline of
Chicago in the background, and they're screaming. And as I
listened to this guy talk, I think this really is
how self absorbed our society has become. Hey, sweet, are
you are going in? I feel like scream you are
(33:55):
again in the lake with me and scream?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
And then hey, listen, we're gonna scream with the lake. Oh,
by the way, you want to join us? Oh, now
we got a club. And now we've got attention, and
now we got a TikToker. Now we got you know,
we're all over social media, and now we got a
little club of our own. There is nothing new under
the sun. It is all such self absorption.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Deep in the woods of North Carolina, an extremest.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Eco group called Earth First the whales violation of American nature.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I want one well grown.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
I tell them that we love.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Them and that we don't want them to die.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Where are some people here who do care?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I want you to know that prease.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
That we care.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
I think we are deeply hurting in America. I think
we are deeply craving answers. I think that we've lost
our identity as we have evolved into technology and into
industrialized society. Bring me to this cathedral, Bring me to
(35:34):
those guys.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Bring me to this.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Rock that has the most incredible life that makes me
feel alive.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I've looked at clear cuts in forest and I've felt outrage.
But I didn't scream, and I didn't cry, and I
need to.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
You know, it's missing both forty years ago when Earth
First started doing that, and today when they're screaming at
Lake Michigan. They've all lost God in their life. They've
all lost some connection to something greater than themselves, and
(36:22):
instead they put it into something that we actually had
dominion over you in the hierarchy of things. God gave
us dominion over the earth and all the creatures.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
They're in. But no, no.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
They've made their god earth a late And you wonder
why we're so efft up as a society. I think
this is precisely how
Michael, the show was rather interesting last week while you
were out.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Are you sure you're okay? Maybe you should.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Take a few more days of rest and get better.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh bite my ass.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You know it's too early in the morning to be
putting up with talkbacks like that. When was that left?
Was that left this morning?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Sure was? You know how good grief? You know I was.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I was back Thursday, Friday, I did Saturday's program. You know,
you get what you pay for, So just shut shut up,
sit down, and just listen. Good grief. It's Monday morning.
It's you know, supposed to be like you know, the
climate change is gonna make it one hundred degrees to.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Day, record breaking temperature.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Breaking temperatures in July, and you know in the summertime.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I can't handle it. I can't handle it. Just can't
handle it.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
And I can't handle it too because I know that
I think she's probably still in bed, is at home
cranking the you know, the thermostat down to meat locker status.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
So you know, I can see Excel going ham.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
We're going to rip that. I'll go off today. I
have a serious question and I don't want to tell you, well,
I will tell you why but I won't give you
the details about why I'm asking this question. So this
will be next month, the twentieth anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.
(01:25):
And I've already had several, actually i'd say probably half
a dozen of the major news outlets already reach out
to me and ask if I wouldn't sit down for
an interview. And I've only hinted to. First of all,
I've said no. I shouldn't say I said no. I've
(01:48):
just ignored. I've ignored the networks ABC, CBS and NBC.
A couple of the cable channels have reached out, and
because I happen to know the producers, I've just told
them I don't know yet. I just don't know what
I want to do. Then nationally, there have been a
(02:09):
couple of yeah, let's let's stick with national for a moment.
So then nationally there have been a couple, only one
of which I've given any indication that I would consider it,
and that's been Susan Page at USA Today. Susan Page
is she's a lefty. You see her a lot on
(02:32):
MSNBC and on Fox News. Oftentimes she is a panelist
on Fox News Sunday or Brett Bear's program or whatever,
and she's a fairly rational human being. But don't get
me wrong, I still understand who these people are and
where they're coming from. Then I've gotten I would say, uh, one, two,
(02:52):
maybe four, five, not very many, but four or five
from and not necessarily these are really the true people.
But I'll just give you as examples. Let's say that
a major newspaper in New Orleans or one of the
major newspapers in Miami Miami Dade County or Orange County, Florida,
(03:18):
in any of the counties in Florida, have reached out
and said, you know, we'd like to have a conversation.
Can you know, would you be a willing to sit
down with an interview? You know, we'd like to you know,
it's the twentieth anniversary, blah blah blah, we'd like to
talk to you about it. Then I will tell you
that what's prompted this, what's got me to the point
(03:39):
where I've got to ask you what your advice is.
I'm trying to crowdsource this advice because I really don't
I have not decided what to do yet. I honestly
don't know what to do. I'll tell you what I'd
like to do, and that is just ignore all of them.
I just don't care because regardless of what I say
(04:01):
or do, I know what everything around, even if they
quote me accurately, even if they are as best as
they can be, which is not very good, as best
as they can be objective, they at the at the end,
at the conclusion of whatever it is, a television interview
(04:24):
or a newspaper article or whatever, they'll still carry the
same old narrative. It'll be the same old narrative over
and over and over again. My daughter alerted me about
a month ago that a certain it's it's not one
of the networks, but one of the other channels, it
(04:45):
is doing a twentieth year retrospective and it apparently aired
recently because in my X time. Let me just pull
my X timeline up. I don't know whether you can
see this or not, because they put my name at
the beginning of the post, and then if you don't
(05:06):
put the dot, I'm not really sure whether that shows
up where you can see it or not. But here's
what someone who describes herself as Jay the real.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
U n Rice whatever that whatever that means.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
She's a six footer six footer, former college hooper, sports fanatic,
love to travel, I was supposed to be a mermaid,
and then a couple of palm tree and a son emoji.
She has one hundred and seventy eight followers. I'm not
making fun of that. I'm just pointing out that, you know,
it's not like a Ji Gay. It's it's not like
(05:45):
Shaq who follows me, who's got you know, bazillion followers,
you know, more than a million that you know, if
he wrote something, you know the whole world would see it.
But here's what she wrote, Sir, you should be ashamed
of yourself. You will be forever be the one to
take the blame for hashtag Katrina. People died in all
caps while you had to quote wait for you food
(06:07):
at dinner. That's what she wrote, quote wait for you
food at dinner. This group has the emails written by you,
Shame on you. And then she's I don't know, she
tags ABC, CBS and NBC News.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I know the I know what.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Event she's talking about because my daughter had told me
this is coming up. I won't know if I knew
anything about it, and so I read about it last
night and it makes a really strange comment in it.
In the middle of it, it says a Cassandra Cassandra.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like figure.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Reads emails, reads emails that fell on leadership's deaf ears.
Now I'm going to take I'm making a big ass
assumption here that one of those emails is. And I don't
know whether I ever told you this story or not,
but I was a friend of mine, hey, I should
(07:14):
say probably a former friend of mine. To be precise,
a former friend of mine had said, let me take
you to dinner real quickly. So we went to this
restaurant in Baton Rouge. And when when I walked into
the restaurant in Baton Rouge, uh, virtually everybody in the
restaurant recognized me. Some people stood up and applauded, Some
(07:35):
people came over and told me to hang in there.
Some people, you know, the restaurant was incredibly considerate and
was it was quite Frankly, I was shocked by it.
But unbeknownst to me, my press secretary at the time
had received some media inquiries wanting to know if you know,
(08:00):
they wanted to talk to me about x y Z
have No. I don't even remember what X Y z
was about but unbeknownst to me, she told them without
saying a word to me. She said, no, he needs
his rest time and he's having dinner and cannot be disturbed.
(08:22):
When I found out that she had written that email,
I fired her. She was a political appointee.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I walked up.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
You know she she's now deceased. She she was, she
was a nice lady. She was a political appointee. She
had someone had been sent to me by the White House,
and uh.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I sent her back. I sent her home. I sent
her back to d C.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And said, when you get back, we're going to find
something else for you to do, because you are not
going to be my press secretary. And I reached out Toby,
who was Dick Cheney's chief of staff and my former
press secretary had gone to work for Cheney. So I
(09:09):
asked Scooter. I said, Scooter, can I can can I have?
Can I have my press secretary back? Because I just
fired mine because she and I told her told Scooter
what she had done, and he's like, oh my god,
that's that's insane. You know that's going to blow up
in your face. I'm like, no, Fesis Sherlock, really, So
I know that's what this woman on X is referring to.
(09:34):
I just don't care if I deal with any of
these people. I just don't care. I don't know what,
but I don't know whether I should or I should not.
Now I'm obviously going to ask some experts. I have
a friend in New York who is a who runs
a an amazing public relations firm, and in fact, he
(09:57):
took on, of all people, what's what's the dirt bag Hollywood?
Me too, guy? What was that guy's name the Holly? Yeah, Harvey,
Harvey Weinstein. Yes, he represents Harvey Weinstein. He takes on
those kinds of cases and he's done an amazing job
for Harvey Weinstein. By the way, anyway, he's a consummate
(10:21):
PR official and he's a friend of mine, and I
just want to get his his take. But I thought,
you know what, you guys listen to me day.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
In and day out. Well except for dirtbag uh boys
a talk back.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Uh, you guys listen to me day in and day out.
And I thought, yeah, I'm gonna talk to the experts,
but you guys kind of know me. So the question
is very simply, should I do any or all of these.
Should I not do any of them? Should I do?
(10:59):
Perhaps maybe Susan Page with USA Today. Let me tell
you why I'm even considering Susan Page, because that's one
national newspaper that would set what everybody else is going
to cover, good or bad. It's going to be what
(11:19):
it is. I don't want to do the Washington Post.
I don't want to do the New York Times, I
don't want to do the LA Times. I really just
don't want to do any of them. But I feel
this enormous pressure to do something. And so I'm crowdsourcing
all of you for your advice about what you would
(11:40):
do if you were in my position, because quite frankly,
you know, I've written a book, Deadly Indifference, the perfect
political Storm, Hurricane Trina and the Bush Administration is available
and wherever books are sold. If you haven't read the book,
I would encourage you to go buy the book and
read the book. There is anything in that book that
I would change. It just tells you the truth about
you know, here's what happened, and and in fact, I
(12:02):
even address this particular point that continues to be a
narrative twenty years later. So obviously the people that produced
this program didn't read the book, didn't give a crap
about what I had to say anyway, so it's like,
why should I say anything? So I I had not
(12:23):
intended to mention this today. Well, I hadn't been intended to.
I've even been thinking about it, whether that I've been
trying to decide if I'm going to do anything or
not until I woke up this morning and saw this
post from nine hours ago, and I thought, well, here
we go. It's it and it's going to start rolling.
So I don't know. Two ways you can let me
(12:48):
know what you think. You can obviously send me a
text message three three wednes zero three key word Mike
or Michael. You can email me Michael Brown at iHeartMedia
dot com, Michael Brown at iHeartMedia do And I'm really serious,
I would you know, if you just want to send
a don't do it or do do it, that's fine,
(13:08):
but I'd really truly like to hear your reasoning about
why you would or would not do it if you
were in my shoes. And it's twenty years later and
virtually everything that's been said, and maybe I'm making my
own case for it here, but I just want you
to understand, what's you know, bouncing around the marbles in
(13:29):
my head right now. Everything that's been said could possibly
be said. There's there's, there's nothing to do under the sun.
It was kind of interesting that this person on X,
you know, it was like, oh, this outBut has all
your emails? Well if you the I had a I
had a congressman from Louisiana who got everything in one
(13:51):
of the even of my emails for like a I
don't know, like a four week period and took that database,
which we you know, we're required to supply it versus
a Freedom of Information Act. So my staff took all
of my emails, redacted all the personally identifying information, and
(14:12):
just and heading them over to the congressman. You know
what the congressman did, He immediately sent the entire pocket
to the New York Times. So the old Gray lady
has you know, thousands of emails from me, and the
New York Times has covered those incessantly. So this woman
is like, oh wow, this of course I'm so tempted.
(14:36):
I'm so tempted right back and say, well, you're some
kind of stupid because this is this is nothing new
and you clearly don't even know the story behind the
oh you had to wait for your dinner. You don't
even know the background of that story. So I kind
of feel like I'm just you know, uh. They they're
(14:58):
beating a dead horse, and and I've fully disclosed everything
that I think needs to be disclosed. In fact, I
would say I've disclosed everything. There's nothing. I mean, between
all the congressional hearings and everything else, there's not a
single thing. I was having a conversation with a friend
recently about Kandy Rice and how I think Kandy's still
(15:20):
mad at me for having written the book because I
criticized I criticized the president. I criticized the president because
when he had the chance to land in Baton Rouge
and give me a hand, he failed to do so.
He stared out the damn windows of Air Force one
flew over New Orleans and then went back to d C. Well,
I'm screaming at Andy Carr, the chief Actually I think
(15:43):
it was Joe Hagen who was on board, the deputy
chief of Staff. I'm screaming at him on the telephone
while they're flying over. You don't need to worry about
you need to land in Baton Rouge, which is you
know what, ninety miles away or something. You need to
land in Baton Rouge. We've got the entire you know,
airport taken down. It's it's ours. You know, you can
(16:05):
land here, secret services. You know, we've already got you know,
the place secure you can land. And if you can't land,
give us an hour, just go circle around for an
hour and then we'll have you land. But you know, no, no, no,
we're we're just going to fly with those we think.
That's you know, and that's all Carl Rove, which is
why you know, to this day, Karl and I don't
have a well, let's just say we don't have a
(16:26):
very amiable relationship. So what would you do in my shoes?
What would you do? Would you do USA today? Would
you do others? Would you do any of these smaller
you know, say Florida or it was kind of interesting.
I will I'll give you one detail the uh and
(16:50):
I forget what outlet it is in New Orleans, but
there is a television outlet, one of the local news
channels who's doing a series of interviews with people who
were actively involved. And they reached out to me, and
they told me, here, here are the three. I think
(17:11):
they've done three or four of them. Here the three
or four that we've done so far, so you'll see
kind of what we're looking at. We're just kind of
looking at, you know, kind of where are you today?
And you know what you remember kind of stuff. And
they are being fairly objective, except they're interviewing all local people,
(17:32):
and they're doing those live, in person interviews. And I
responded and said, and maybe I didn't make it clear.
Maybe I should run them back and make it clear
I'll pay for it. But I said, you're doing all
of these other interviews live and in person. I will
not do one over zoom or FaceTime or you know, remotely.
(17:57):
I want to sit in the same room eyeball to
eyeball with the reporter because I want to see, you know,
and I want to be able to record. I want
a recording of the entire interview. And I don't want
to be sitting in a studio in Denver somewhere while
a reporter in New Orleans is doing an interview. I
(18:19):
want it face to face, and I'd be happy to
come down there and do that. It's kind of interesting
and maybe it's because they don't have the money and
they'd think I'm asking them to pay for it. I'm
not asking them to pay for it. I could fly
to New Orleans, do the interview, and fly back in
a day. It doesn't make any difference to me. I'm
more than happy to do that, but it's important enough
to me to do it in person. But otherwise I'm
(18:41):
not interested in doing it because there is a huge
difference when you do a face to face with their reporter. Anybody,
anybody in politics will tell you try to avoid the
stupid two bocks for three bucks interview because those can
be so easily edited and you don't know, you know,
(19:05):
the notes they're being handed to them, who's in the room,
what's being whispered to them, You don't know any of
that stuff. So I want to be there. Do you
want to interview me? We'll do it face to facebook.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Though.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Do you remember when Joe Biden took forty of his
time off on vacation. The mainstream news media would have
us believe that over the weekend Trump was on vacation
playing golf. Well, while he was playing golf, he did
close a seven hundred and fifty billion dollar trade deal
with the EU that favored the US. I cannot imagine
(19:38):
either Biden or Hairs as president. We would be screwed.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, one of the biggest trade deals of all And
what's the big news. Oh, there's a heat wave coming.
There's a heat wave coming. Just boggle, absolutely boggles my
mind about what they think is important. Eene, Oregon is
hosting the festive Lane County Fair through I think maybe
(20:06):
used through yesterday. The local media takes that, took that
as an opportunity to gripe about Alligator Alcatraz, and the
merchandise is being sold about Alligator Alcatraz. Social media, they say,
is buzzing with disapproval and anger over t shirts being
sold that depict Alligator Alcatraz. This make shift immigration detention
(20:30):
facility was established by the Trump administration in the Florida
Everglades and has been criticized by human rights groups as
cruel and inhumane. Really because I think they could build
a four seasons a Ritz Carlton. They could put up
the worst of the worst criminal foreign invaders in the
(20:52):
Ritz Carlton, well.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
You know, like they kind of do in New York City.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
And still all these leftist human rights groups, but still
and sniping meaning me about it. Anything short of a
absolute capitulation to this invasion is somehow cruel and inhumane. Honestly,
it's kind of sad, said Jasper Burchard, a concerned fair goer.
It's really sad to see something so messed up just
(21:19):
being paraded around like it's something fun. You know, what's
really sad is sulking liberal scolds. You know, just go
to the fair and have some fun, and don't forget
to buy some alligator alcatraz merchandise because it's guaranteed to
annoy the dumbasses among us who simply cannot stand the
(21:41):
idea that Donald Trump is, huh enforcing the law.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What When I came in.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Dan's text message, he apparently was talking about speeding on
his program Friday, and I find the story is interesting.
Now take whatever you whatever your position is about speeding,
I take with a grain of salt. There probably isn't
(22:16):
one of you that, at some point or another, either
purposely or accidentally, have exceeded the speed limit. You've gone
two miles over, well, technically that one mile over is
speeding five miles or ten miles an hour. And then
that all becomes relative. You're doing five miles over the
(22:39):
speed limit when it's eighty miles an hour, Okay, whatever
you're doing, you know, five miles over the speed limit
in a school zone where there's a bus with the
lights flashing and there are a bunch of kids. That's
entirely different too. But what I found interesting was that
(23:01):
some of the people on on Dan's text line talk
about what they want done. Why we need to put
you know, new cars should come with a with an
automatic governor in them. We should be using artificial intelligence
to analyze exactly how everybody drives. We need more eyes
and diskies, we need satellites, we need everything possible.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
We need to control.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
We need to absolutely fix cars where they can't do
anything but just go from point A to point B.
And I thought, wait, wow, this this is analogous to
the people who are upset that Trump is now enforcing
the law. We all get mad when we are the
one that you know, you're you're driving, you know it's
(23:45):
happened to people all the time. You're you're driving in
in a group of cars down the interstate, and you
know the let's just say it's seventy five miles an
hour and everybody's driving eighty five miles an hour, and
Colorado State patrolman decides to pull somebody out, you know,
so they pull you out, and of course the first
thing you say is.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Well, why'd you pull me over? Because everybody else was
doing it too? Why'd you bawl me over?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Are we not too? And is this not what we
voted for? Do have we already forgotten about the cages
during Obama and Biden?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Member?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Have we already forgotten about Alexandria Cassia Cortez going down
to the border and she had her fingers looped into
the chainley fence and she was sulking, and she was
crying because oh it's still said, Oh my gosh, my
heart goes out to all those people. Wait a minute,
Wait a minute. The only people that I truly have
(24:48):
any sympathy for are those who were young enough that
they had no control over where their parents took them.
They were twelve years old, they were two years old.
Doesn't make any difference if if you're twelve years old
(25:09):
and your parents decide to move from Lakewood to Sterling,
you go with your parents. You don't really have a
choice in that. So for the kids who were brought here,
or for the kids who parents came here before they
(25:29):
were born or while mom was pregnant, I actually do
have empathy and sympathy for them because this is all
that was all beyond their control. Now you may not,
and that's fine. I'm not asking you to agree with me.
I'm just saying that I actually have sympathy for those
people because they've been put in a position that is
(25:50):
a no fault of their own. Now, if they were
eighteen years old and mom and dad said, Hey, we're
gonna go across the real grand and we're gonna go
to help Passo, and we're eventually going to make our
way to Denver, and you're gonna come with us, and
they were like, Okay, well I think i'll come too.
I'm not sure I have much sympathy for you because
you're of age, assuming that's the age of majority in
(26:11):
your country, whatever country it was, and you made the
decision to go along with your parents, I don't really
have that much sympathy for you. But if you're the
under the age of eighteen, or you're under the age
of majority in you came and now your parents or
your uncle, or your grandfather or your dad, or somebody
is here illegally. And in addition to that, a is
(26:33):
committed to crime, and they're now in Alligator Alcatraz and
you're in a cage with a bed, and you know,
with you gotta well, it's not even a porta potty.
It's better, it's it's a builgi in body. You've got
to commote. I don't sorry, sorry you're in that situation,
but yeah, it sucks to be. You should have thought
(26:54):
about that before you came over. But set them all
aside for a moment, just aside for a moment. Why
is it, you know, speaking of that first segment, thinking
about the media, why does the media push this narrative out?
Why do they continue to make you make you want
to feel badly about someone who's broken the law and
(27:18):
now they're in a holding detention center until they can
be deported. If someone robs a bank, rapes a woman,
molests a child, commits an assault and battery, drives drunk
and kills, names or injures someone, and they get thrown
(27:40):
the Denver County jail and then they maybe get transferred
to one prison and then maybe eventually get transferred to
another prison. And oh, by the way, they get separated
from their minor children, who you know, assuming if mom's
around or dad, depending on who the defendant is, mom
or dad is around, that's called a family separation. And
(28:04):
now they're in a prison. And do you really think
that Have you ever been in a prison? I don't
mean like for a crime. Have you ever been in
a prison? And I don't mean like in a visitor center.
Have you ever been in a prison? I have. I've
been in a couple of state prisons, and I've been
in a couple of county jails, well, several county jails
(28:26):
around the country. And they're not They're not places that
I want to spend any time in whatsoever, not at all?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Why?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Why?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Why do we not a bitch about that? What separates?
Have you ever thought about? What separates? These people who
broke into the country, violated the Immigration and Naturalization Act,
remain here illegally some you know, so that's a that's
a misdemeanor. But you leave and come back now you've
(28:59):
committed a fell or while you're here illegally, you commit
a crime. I really have come to the conclusion that.
I don't, you know, if you commit murder, No, I
don't know how i'd feel if that. You know, I've
tried to think about this. If someone murdered my spouse
or my family and they were an illegal alien, but
(29:20):
I want them deported. Uh, there's a part of me
that wants them deported, But there's also a part of
me that does want them thrown in jail. Here. Even
though they're not American citizens, they still committed murder. Because
think about it this way. If someone's here on a
tourist visa, they've come here from France, they've decided to
visit from Hong Kong, where where doesn't make any difference.
(29:41):
They've come here and they murder your family. Don't you
want them in prison?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
I want them in prison. But if they've been convicted
of gang activity, and they've not been convicted of any
particular one bodily crime, one personal crime of you know,
murdering or raping someone, then put them in out of
the alligator Alcatraz and send them send them to whatever
(30:06):
craphole country that we've got a treaty with that we
can send them to. I don't care, I truly don't care.
And if you want to make you know, at the
State Fair in Oregon, in which I find kind of
funny an organ of all places, of course they would
bitch and moan about somebody selling Alligator Alcatraz, you know, merch,
(30:27):
because oh my gosh, well that's just that's inhumane. Really,
I think it's capitalism and the people that buy it. Huh,
would would you buy something? Would you buy a T
shirt that said I support illegal immigration? I wouldn't because
I don't, And I wouldn't want to give whatever ngo
(30:48):
or nonprofit or even individual that's just out trying to
make a buck.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I wouldn't want to give them any money in order
to do that.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
In order to have a T shirt or a sweater
or a hoodie or anything else that supports illegal immigrant.
So if somebody wants to support Alligator Alcatraz and somebody's
out there making money on it, then I say touche,
go for it, and then stop and think about why
is it that the local media is so so so
(31:17):
so upset about it?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
You know why? Because once again they support illegal immigration.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Michael, I know, I sound like some googer from Libby, Montana,
because I'm happily retired by choice, Door, Dash, Starbucks, AEG,
like Nation, Nascar, Nike, baw Er Hockey, Oakley, BP Oil,
and Subway. Never apologize, never explain, objectivity.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And truth are not participants in this twenty year autopsy.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Just say no baby. Just say no baby. And that's
actually the direction that I'm leaning. Not all of these
uh dip wads. I don't I want to call them
something else. UH starts with a d uh, ends with heads.
(32:12):
They should all get their own shows on MSNBC. Have
you ever wanted to scream at something? I I've screamed it.
I mean not literally, like not some sort of primal scream,
but I have screamed in my car like something I've heard.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
On the news. An Well Lake, Michigan, along.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
The shores of Chicago is now home to a scream club.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
What picture us like like a like a pressure cooker.
What happens when the pressure cooker gets to pressureize right.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
It explodes?
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I think this is a good way for us to
be able to in a healthy way, to release whatever
we have going.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
On inside out into the void.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I was having a real bad day with my partner
one day.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We were walking by the lake.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I just said to her, Hey, do you want to
go scream by the lake? And she's like, yes, let's
do it. There were a few people sitting around and
I just said, hey, look, we're about to scream into lake.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I'm so sorry to bother you. Do you want to
join us?
Speaker 4 (33:21):
And they were like yes, absolutely so and we screamed
into the lake. A few people cried, and then I
looked right at my girlfriend. I was like, I think
this is something that we got to start, and the
Scream Club was born.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
As I watched this. So here are people lining the
shores of Lake Michigan, and you see the skyline of
Chicago in the background, and they're screaming. And as I
listened to this guy talk, I think this really is
how self absorbed our society has become. Hey, sweet, are
you are going in? I feel like scream you are
(33:55):
again in the lake with me and scream?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
And then hey, listen, we're gonna scream with the lake. Oh,
by the way, you want to join us? Oh, now
we got a club. And now we've got attention, and
now we got a TikToker. Now we got you know,
we're all over social media, and now we got a
little club of our own. There is nothing new under
the sun. It is all such self absorption.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Deep in the woods of North Carolina, an extremest.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Eco group called Earth First the whales violation of American nature.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I want one well grown.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
I tell them that we love.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Them and that we don't want them to die.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Where are some people here who do care?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
I want you to know that prease.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
That we care.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
I think we are deeply hurting in America. I think
we are deeply craving answers. I think that we've lost
our identity as we have evolved into technology and into
industrialized society. Bring me to this cathedral, Bring me to
(35:34):
those guys.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Bring me to this.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
Rock that has the most incredible life that makes me
feel alive.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I've looked at clear cuts in forest and I've felt outrage.
But I didn't scream, and I didn't cry, and I
need to.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
You know, it's missing both forty years ago when Earth
First started doing that, and today when they're screaming at
Lake Michigan. They've all lost God in their life. They've
all lost some connection to something greater than themselves, and
(36:22):
instead they put it into something that we actually had
dominion over you in the hierarchy of things. God gave
us dominion over the earth and all the creatures.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
They're in. But no, no.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
They've made their god earth a late And you wonder
why we're so efft up as a society. I think
this is precisely how
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