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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Looking at the New York City shooter at his rifle,
it looks like the magazine has duct tape on it.
To me, that means there are two magazines staggered. When
he uses the first one up, he can a quick
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release and reload. Does this guy have military training?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Why would he need military training for that for duct
taping the magazines together? Just watch any movie that has
any bad guy in it.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Ever, so, Dragon and I actually had a fairly serious
production meeting this morning, it just finished about fifteen seconds ago,
about whether or not to even discuss this, And the
more we talked about it, the more we decided we
do want to discuss the New York City shooting, but
(00:55):
not because yeah, yeah, we sort of wanted to discuss
because we didn't want to discuss it correct and we
didn't want to discuss it. And I don't want to
sound like dispassionate, cold hearted bastard, which I many people
claim that I am, but it's a shooting in New
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York City. However, then as we are talking about it,
ABC News comes on, and then ABC News causes me
to go to our ABC Radio News call page, which
lists all of the you know, the little news stories
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and in the course of our production meeting, Uh, dragon
just happened to me. It was Reno, right, correct, it
is Reno. And this guy came from Vegas, right.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
The New York Shooter. Yes, came from Vegas. There was
a report that I heard that they made it very
clear that he drove through Colorado and Kansas.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Okay, all right, Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
He could have driven through Wyoming and Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
He could have driven I don't know, through Montana and Minnesota. Yep. Yeah,
but he hopestly drove through Colorado and Canada. Okay, then
that causes us to start going down this rabbit hole
of well, first let's let's let's stop and think. If
you go to the Drudge Report right now, there is
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a picture of him. This was apparently on Park Avenue somewhere.
I'm not sure what the cross street was, but it
obviously he looks like an office building in midtown Manhattan.
Now it says targets the NFL. So maybe this office
building has the NFL headquarters in it. I'm not quite sure.
But not only but yes, yeah, but yeah, not only
but you know, it's it's you know, it's a it's
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a man it's a midtown Manhattan office building.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Dozens of of companies in that building, yes, and.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And lots of office buildings just like this have these
large plazas out front. They build those for security reasons
and for pedestrian flow. The security reason is, you know,
they've got ballards out around the street, so it's hard
to get you know, you know, a Timothy McVeigh rider
truck up next to the building, and it allows people
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to freely move in, and it gives law enforcement a
better view of everything that's going on. Well, the photo
that Drudge has chosen to put on their website shows
him strolling with an AR fifteen to his side on
I mean the pictures from his right side, and it
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shows him walking purposely. I shouldn't say strolling purposely, and
there isn't clearly from me without even blowing the photo up,
there is a what appears to be an AR style
rifle in his right hand. It was dangerous assault rifles,
those scary those scary looking assault rifles, which is interesting
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in this point.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
What point is that, Michael, Well, this is midtown Manhattan.
Uh huh, where guns are illegal? Wait? What what out
of this?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Out of this spot?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
He was in a gun free zone and had.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
A gun, and he's and he's walking through this large
plaza and I'm thinking, did did no no one at
all call and say or did no? I mean, because
through if you've been in midtown Manhattan, there are cops everywhere.
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Now they might be you know, it might be a
you know, a patrolman and his partner sitting in their
squad car, you know, you know, double parked at a
corner somewhere. They may be just parked out in front
of an office building, but they're there. Or it could
be a street cop, you know, walking the beat or whatever.
But there are cops everywhere. And I'm just kind of
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perplexed about how did this guy get all the way
from wherever the hell he parked, because I doubt he
parked in the garage because those are usually for employees. Uh,
And I don't know, maybe if he had the money
to drive all the way, I mean, if he had
the money to drive through Colorado, he clearly was rich,
because it costs so damn much to drive through Colorado
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because you have to stop and get your car repaired,
you know, from all the potholes. So he had to
get his car repair to keep going through Kansas.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I counter your argument with trying to find a parking
space that this man shot himself when he was done,
so he didn't care. You just pull up in the
middle road, stop your car, and get out.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He just sat, he parked in the street and just
he double parked. He parked next to the UPS guy,
and the UPS guy's pissed off. And you know when
he came back out and there's a guy parked next
to him and he can't get out. Yeah, but he
nonetheless is walking across the plaza and no one. I mean,
how did he get in the How did this happen?
How did this happened? That's number one? Then number two
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would be in our production. Dragons specifically asked me do
you plan to talk about the New York shooting? And
without any reservation or hesitation, I said no or.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Not typically you know, the breaking news kind of show.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So I wasn't sure if you were, Because if we
don't know a whole bunch of information about it, there's
no real point in talking about it and giving an
analysis to it.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So in this movie, don't happened last night?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Right? Even though we like to give in depth analysis
about things about which we know absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
When we know a little something, we certainly don't want
to give any analysis. True, we want to be totally
oblivious to anything we give analysis on. But then I
called myself, thinking, why do I not want to talk
about this? I don't want to talk about this because
which we're talking about, which I find interesting, We're talking
about something that I don't want to talk about. Correct,
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is that it's a it's another shooting in New York,
in New York, or for that matter, anywhere Dragon. True,
it's another shooting in another day Indian. Why But then
we hear the ABC news and somehow you or one
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of us mentions, Oh, but what about.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Reno, Reno? What happened in Reno?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
There was a shooting in Reno yesterday.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, these maniac shooters time out their shootings a little
better so that the news can cover them properly for
a few days.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
First, well, we need to keep the cycle going. And
if you do everything in the same day that shortens.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
The cycle, it's too good.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's right. So, if this was on Monday, Reno should
have waited until.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Wednesday, exactly at least Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
At least Wednesday but they didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
They need to plan better. Well, they do need to
plan better. He read it message boards. They need to
get their stuff together.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
You know what, there probably is a subreddit somewhere about
mass shooting, mass shooting or you know, I you know
how to do a mass shooting. I don't know. Then
that makes me curious, because let's see. Just let me
scroll through drudge real quickly, top left corner. Of course,
everything is about the New York shooter who is shamed
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to Mura. That must be.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Barricades were made out of sofas shooter targets.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
NFL suffered from head trauma, developing five dead. Bloodbath, bloodbath
on Park Avenue. Okay, now we got to the regular stories.
Let's see. We got Obama, we got Germany, we got
Don's metal State, we got FBI, the Taiwan president. New
TV show imagines China invasion. Well that's not. Oh, by
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the way, just as a side note, real quickly, I
heard on the way in there's a spaceship. There's an
alien spaceship that is on a direct path they believe
is a directed path towards Earth. So perhaps the sweet
meteor of death that we all wished for in twenty sixteen.
Perhaps a sweet meteor of death is for five.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You use the term spaceship. So did the news story
use the term spaceship or is it meteor?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, spaceship, the news story used face. I'm sure identify
this is a.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Spaceship and not as you it was.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
It was not a media comment or no, it's not
a meteor a comment. It was some sort of like ship.
Maybe they didn't say spaceship, but there is a something like,
you know, a satellite or a some object other than
a meteor. A direct on a direct because it was
because they say based on you know, corrected, Yeah, like
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course corrections kid, Yeah, yeah, that that was on Fox
News this morning. But anyway, I keep strolling. It's the Oh,
here's a really important story. Photograph cop captures dons. Uh
that's President Trump's chrome dome. Uh, Tampa. We're gonna talk
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about Tampa. That's that's here. Let's see. I don't see I.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Don't any reno at all on drugs, you.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Know, anywhere on Drudge. I don't see.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I must not be important enough because that one only
killed four people versus.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Right, So we if you have first, you have new York,
which is the center of the cabal universe. So and
then Reno's just you know, the little town that you know,
tried harder, you know whatever. Whatever. That little motto is
a Reno Uh, you know it's it's it's subsumed entirely
by Clark County in Las Vegas. So then I got
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curious about the top of the hour news was all about,
uh New York. Just bear with me. This is Oh
now they've already seen, They've hadded new Let's go, this
is ABC News.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
In a note to employees of the NFL, one of
the high profile tenants of three forty five Park Commissioner
Roger Goodell, sharing that a league employee was seriously.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Injured in the attack.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He is in the hospital in stable condition, and Goodell
also writing that employees should work from home at least
for today, adding quote, we will get through this together.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That was at eight oh five Eastern time. This one
is at seven fifty four Eastern time.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
New York City Mayor Eric Adams there to assess the scene.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
A heart's break for the families and friends of the victims.
We pray for the swift and safe recovery of the
engine terrific crime reminds us all how easy.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
It is to gain access to a gun.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
At least five people were shot for fatally now the
city remembering the victims, including that thirty six year old
NYPD officer vid.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
A Rule Islam that was at seven fifty four. At
seven fifty am ABC News.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Police say he entered the lobby and began spraying bullets,
hitting a police officer, another man, a security guard, and
a woman who took cover behind a pillar.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Third flow if not secure, we have multiple people shot.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
The suspect taking the elevator to the thirty third floor,
where he again opened fire, killing a woman there before
barricading himself inside. Authorities saying the suspect died from a
self inflicted gunshot wound to the chest.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
And then at seven forty six this morning.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
Las Vegas police had issued him a concealed carry permit
and officers here are now tracking down where he bought
the M four rifle used in the shooting. The NYPD
also found a revolver and ammunition in his BMW.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Along with medication.
Speaker 9 (12:45):
Police said he had a documented mental health history. In fact,
we're learning police here in Las Vegas were called at
least twice in recent years for a person in mental
health distress.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Let's just skip the part about mental health distress and
BMW's okay, can we just skip for that part. Okay,
let's just ignore that. Then at seven thirty seven am
from the building.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Used ACB were running, That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
People inside the building were saying they heard someone, They
thought someone fell down the stairs, and.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
Then they realized I was just stared with someone shooting
a gun.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And then at seven again, at seven thirty seven am.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
In Tomorrow's pocket, police said they found what sources described
as a rambling, three page handwritten note that claims he
suffered from traumatic brain injury and made vague references to
the NFL, which is headquartered at three forty five Park Avenue.
Growing up in Los Angeles, Tomorrow did play football. It's
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not clear he actually suffered from CTE, but that note
is an important clue as investigators urgently try to track
down why he drove cross country and targeted that building at.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Seven thirty am this morning.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Real, real quick, I just did for the Eastern I
just did a quick Google as to how long that
drive is? Oh, yes, thirty seven hours. Thirty seven hours
from Vegas to.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Nego hours seven thirty Eastern this morning five thirty Mountain time.
Speaker 9 (14:11):
At he said, twenty seven year old Shane Tomorrow was
found with a note that may point to a possible motive.
He lived here at this gated subdivision in Las Vegas,
about twenty minutes from the Strip. The NYPD said Tomorrow
left Nevada on Saturday and entered New York City from
New Jersey on Monday, just a couple of hours before
the shooting.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know, Dragon, I was just thinking, as they keep
mentioning Vegas, I don't think he had CTE. I think
it was the scorching heat.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Wasn't it hotter in New York than it was in Vegas?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I don't know, no, Okay, So I've gone through now
everything about shootings in the from ABC News from five
thirty am this morning.
Speaker 10 (14:58):
Now scroll scroll scroll scroll, scroll scroll scroll scroll.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh look here this is from four forty two this morning,
and here is the entirety of ABC news news coverage of.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Reno police has suspect opened fire on a group of
people outside the Grand Sierra Resort, killing three and wounding
several more. Officers engaging the suspect in a shootout. He
was taken to a hospital in critical condition.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
That's thirteen seconds. Thirteen seconds versus several minutes of ABC
News coverage of New York ABC News headquarters. Well, I
don't recall specific I don't think it's exactly on Park Avenue.
I thought it was on the Upper West Side, but
it's Nonetheless, New York City is the center of the universe.
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New York City is the nucleus, is the is the
core of the cabal. So and of course the NFL. So,
the NFL, the cabal. ABC News, everything is about New York,
New York, New York, the place so weird they named
it twice.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I could almost maybe see the justification in talking about
New York more so than Reno. The New York more
people died, unfortunately, the killer killed himself. In Reno, fewer
people died killers alive, according.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
To that story. I don't I know nothing more than that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
As well as we just look at sheer population in
both places. I'm gonna just guess here my math could
be wrong, but New York's a little bit more populated
than Reno.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So, and I thought that this gun violence was out
of control, and that we wanted to cover all all
of these stories, and we wanted to put fear in
everybody to how out of control this is. But we
want to focus on New York because well, that's in
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our backyard, and Reno is out there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And I don't know about the rules there in Reno
or are you able to own a gun in Reno
as you are?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I not know, but I would assume that Reno, I
would assume that Nevada is a little less strict than
what New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just another
example of media bias and how you as the consumer
of news, need to stop sometimes and think about what
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are you being spoon fed and why are you being
spoon fed these particular stories. Now I haven't heard. All
I heard is that there was a shooting in Reno.
I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
I couldn't resist. But did he do it with an
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AR fifteen? Do we have? I mean it must not
have been, because I would have thought that would have
been an inherent part of the story. That's an inherent
part of the story in New York. Yeah, Plus you
got the NFL, so some victims are more equal than others,
and some stories are more equal than others too. Yeah,
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it's just And then I can't believe I spent an
entire segment on something that I was not going to
talk about.
Speaker 11 (18:43):
Corn and fair face, Morning Ding Dong. What I noticed
about the shooter's firearm in New York is that the
barrel end of the firearm appears to be bent just
before what looks like a suppressor. I have never seen
a fire arm like that in all my years and
my military career.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, perhaps you've never packed your M four in the
trunk and then driven across Ice seventy in Colorado and
had to get bent when you hit the potholes.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Maybe that's why I can only assume you're referring to
the image of him walking in that courtyard area. I
can see how that could be construed. But looking at
other images posted of the rifle on such sites as
New York Post here that I'm looking at, I don't
see it it bent. And for that first time back
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that's talking about the magazine's tape together doesn't look like
from this image. I mean, you can certainly have more
than one magazine.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And well, but you know, let's not gloss over the
point about the magazines, which we've failed to mention in
the last segment, and that is whether they were taped together,
whether he had some extras in his pocket or not.
It shows the absurdity of the magazine capacity limit. Just
buy more magazines. It is no, it is truly no
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different than Michael Bloomberg's idea that you can't buy a
thirty two ounce you know, you know, fountain drink because well,
it's gonna make you fat. Okay, we'll buy two sixteen ouncements.
Then how about that same same stupid theory from liberals,
from the Marxists, who think that, you know, again, we
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want to control your behavior.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
In fact, there's a lot of stories in today's pos
about you know, people trying to control your behavior, and Denver, Colorado,
you're at the forefront of it. You but a number
nine zero sixty zero, Mike, Have you noticed that the
stabbing and Traverse City, Michigan has completely fallen off the radar.
That's because a good guy with a gun stopped the assailant.
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Oh but you would, are you wrong? Because I decided
that I would just go search and see what I
can find. Now, you got to do it again because I, boy,
this is such a lousy sight ABC News. That is
so I quickly did a search on ABC News. Well
yesterday at nine pm Eastern time. Wait, wait, beyond anything,
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you know, nine nine pm Eastern time is seven o'clock
Mountain time for those of you who are clock challenged,
even our news is essentially over. But they did have
this count the seconds.
Speaker 12 (21:38):
Derek Perry is the man holding the gun, now being
hailed a hero.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
In an interview with ABC News.
Speaker 12 (21:43):
Perry, a husband, father, and former marine, says anyone would
have done what he did.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
I didn't think of anything other than trying to get
him away from people and get him isolated and get
him to put the knife down and just to kind
of focus on me and instead of everyone that was
yelling and screen in the background.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Writer.
Speaker 12 (22:02):
Today, the suspect, forty two year old Bradford James Gilly,
appearing in court now charged with terrorism and eleven counts
of assault with the intent to murder after police say
he entered the walmart around four pm Saturday and began
attacking people near the checkout area.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Well, you didn't have anybody die, and you know, here
here's a guy who's you know, well, he's a foreign
military guys. We don't want to give them any credit
for anything. And you know it was Traverse City. I
mean Traverse City. Come on, you know, nobody cared that.
ABC News doesn't care. But at least they had some
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reporter Mola Lingji, Mola ling guy. At least they had
somebody mentioned something about it. So you got to give
them some credit for that. All of this, though, is
part of the propaganda war and in the ongoing battle
over our Second Amendment rights, and these cames remind me,
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particularly because it's New York, New Jersey, the tri state
area in the northeast. There's a key case this challenging
New Jersey's gun carry restrictions that has been in limbo
for nearly two years now, after oral arguments, oral arguments
for almost two years ago, and the Third Circuit Court
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of Appeals has not yet ruled in a case Coons
and Siegel versus Platkin. So who cares about your constitutional
rights if all you can do is okay, we're gonna
have oral arguments. We'll have those oral arguments. You know,
back in twenty twenty three and in twenty twenty five,
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you know, Michael brown Will mentioned it, but you know,
nobody cares because nobody listens to him, and you know
he's only got twelve listeners and doesn't make any difference.
And besides, his listeners are a bunch of goobers, and
so nobody cares. Well, I got the receipts. So let's
talk for a moment about Koons's Seagull versus Platkin. But
to understand that case, you got to go back to
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the foundational Supreme Court decisions that have shaped modern gun rights.
Let's go back to two thousand and eight. That's when
the Supreme Court decided DC versus Heller. That case originated
when Heller, who was a special police officer in DC,
challenged DC's strict handgun band requirements that required long guns
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be kept unloaded and disassembled or trigger locked at home. Well,
what good does that do you? In a five to
four ruling, the Court held for the very first time
that the Second Amendment protects the individual's right to possess
firearms for self defense in the home, completely disconnected and
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separate apart from any anything to do with Malitia service
Justice Scalia, whom I've told you the bazillion times, wrote
the majority opinion, emphasizing that the Amendments, text and history
confirm that there was a pre existing right to keep
him bear arms, that there was this natural law of
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self defense, and you had a right to keep him
bear arms prior to the Second Amendment. So that case
DC versus Heller struck down as unconstitutional d C's laws,
and that's that's the foundational case for everything. A mere
two years later, in twenty ten, McDonald versus Chicago. That
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case extended Heller's protections to the states. Otis McDonald. He
was a retired African American custodium along with a bunch
of other Chicago residents. In this case, they sued over
the city's virtual ban on handgun possession, and again, in
a five to four decision, the Supreme Court said that
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the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment against state and
local governments via the due process clause. So that decision
invalidated Chicago's handgun band and affirmed the right to self
defense as being fundamental and is nationwide. Justice Alito, who
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wrote the opinion in McDonald case, highlighted all the historical
evidence from the reconstruction era, showing that freed slaves needed
guns for protection. Once again, if you've never read these opinions,
I really suggest you read. Don't go read some Ball
Review article about them. Don't go reap, just go read.
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Plow your way through those opinions. But now fast forward
from twenty ten to twenty twenty two. So we've got
Heller McDonald, and now you got the Bruin decision New
York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruin. That's another
major expansion of your Second Amendment rights. There were two
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New York residents that challenged New York's so called proper
cause requirement in order to get a concealed carry permit.
What was that, well, that required you to show a
special need for self defense beyond just being you know,
a member of the general public. That case, in the
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six to three decision, the Court struck down this discretionary
licensing scheme as unconstitutional. Justice Thomas wrote the opinion. He
rejected this two step means versus end scrutiny that had
been used by the lower courts after the Heller decision,
still trying to limit you. See the Supreme Court in
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Heller McDonald, all say no, no, no, no, this is natural right.
This pre you know, this right of self defense pre
exists the Second Amendment. The Founders incorporated natural law. You
have a absolute right to keep him bear arms. Justice
Thomas rejected what was being used in New York. This
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two step means versus end scrutiny that had been used
across the country in other courts Posteller and instead mandating
that gun regulations must be consistent with the Second Amendments texts,
and that our country's historical tradition of firearm regulation. That
ruling invalidated all of these may issue laws in the
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States and triggered a wave of challenges to other restrictions.
But the Bruin impact was immediate because then a state
like New Jersey, New Jersey in particular, because that's the
third circuit case I want to talk about, New Jersey
scrambled to enact new laws restricting where permitent gun owners
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could carry firearms. What were they doing. They were aiming
to comply with the decision in Bruin while still limiting
the ability to publicly carry. They will continue to do
anything in everything they can. So in December of twenty
twenty two, just months after the Bruined decision, New Jersey
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passed Chapter one thirty one that was a sweeping gun
control measure sponsored amid concerns about increased gun violence. The
law designated numerous sensitive places where concealed carriers, band bars, beaches, playgrounds, parts,
public gatherings, even private property if it was open to
the public unless a welcoming sign is posted just well
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go read the decision. It also prohibited loaded handguns in cars,
and it required mandated liability insurance for the permit holders. Now,
critics rightfully argue that that effectively nullified the Supreme Court's
decision in Bruin by making carry a firearm impractical in
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everyday life, and that led to two major lawsuits Coons
versus Platkin and Segal versus Platkin, filed by gun rights
groups like the Firearms Policy Coalition in the Second Amendment Foundation.
And then there were the individuals, mister Coons and mister
Guado Guadillo. Those cases, consolidated in Federal District Court claimed
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the restrictions violated the Second Amendment under Bruins's history and
tradition test, meaning what's been the tradition in this country,
what's the history? And the plainists argued that there were
no historical analogs for banning caring in such broad public
areas like you know, a public open space or a park,
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or a public gathering for that matter, even private property.
On May sixteenth, twenty twenty three, US District Judge Renee
bum issued a detailed two hundred and thirty page preliminary
injunction blocking enforcement of those provisions. She said that New
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Jersey did not provide any historical evidence justifying bands in
places like cars, private property without consent, and obviously all
those public venues that I just described. She criticized New
Jersey for ignoring the bruined decision and cited all the
extensive historical analysis to support her. Ruly, so the third
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Circuit took it up. The third Circuit held oral arguments,
and here we are two years later and no decision.
And yeah, so the third Circuit took a break on time,
and they're still on break.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
Michael, looks like it's time for you to check in
its sound relief. It wasn't a space ship. It was
space ish. I'm trying to keep it PG for your
airways by you know, as in crap space ish.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Space space, crap space space crap directed that well, same thing,
sweet meteor. I mean, so the sweet media of death,
sweet turt of death. I don't get smart or stad,
I just make the difference to me. Uh, sixty five,
just just hit us and put us out of our misery.
Sixty five eleven rides Mike. Then tell how the Colorado
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law that I hope does not go into effect next year,
but trust me it will that we will have to
jump through hoops to buy a gun. How is that
not a violation of the Second Amendment? Thanks Tom, Well, Tom,
it is. It's clearly a violation the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
In my opinion, some would be arguing that all of
the restrictions on purchasing a firearm would be against the
Second Amendment.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
In fact, that would be me The only restriction that
exists prior to the adoption of the Second Amendment that
I can think of, that just pops the top of
my mind is gunsmith's would not sell firearms to crazy people.
If you were the town loon, they wouldn't sell you
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a gun. So there you got it. But we've vilified
guns so badly that we're scared to death of it.
But let me finish about the whole New Jersey cases,
because as of last night, no decision has been issued
nearly two years after the arguments, and I would argue
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that that is in and of itself unconstitutional because that
leaves gun owners in a complete state of flux, uncertainty
and potentially undermines the timely enforcement of our constitutional rights.
Historical records submitted by the State of New Jersey are
actually irrelevant or too late to align with any sort
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of founding era understanding of what our gun rights were.
And all of this in action comes amid a surge
in concealed carry permit applications in New Jersey, hitting records
high's earlier this year, as residents were trying to exercise
their rights post Bruin you can go. There's a great
(34:25):
story in the New Jersey Monitor about how the number
of applications has increased because people saw the Brewin decision
and said, oh, yeah, man, I'm going to get my
permit now. Now, if the Third Circuit upholds Judge Bums injunction,
that could strike down these broad sensitive place bands nationwide,
further expanding your right to carry. A ruling for the
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State of New Jersey might actually encourage similar restrictions elsewhere,
and that would probably lead to a Supreme Court review.
But Justice Thomas Warren that delays in Second Amendment cases
treated as a second class right, I would argue that
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the law actually endangers self defense. The law the natural
law of self defense. Supporters are arguing, well, it's essential
for public safety and sensitive areas. Oh wait a minute,
I'm still looking at the Drudge report. As I look
at the Drudge report, that would be one of the
sensitive places where huh. I wonder what the new Jersey
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law would have done with regard to that, because, as
we all know, people who want to get a gun,
even the crazies. Whether this guy had CTE, whether he
just had you know, a heat stroke, whether he was
just effing crazy, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
For the son of the previous president who just lied
on his application.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Oh that was all that was all fake news. Oh sorry, yeah,
that was all fake news. I mean, hunter Biden had
never lied to get a gun, could have his girl
and have his girlfriend or his former sister in law
go dumping in trash? Can I mean?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Can you know he is the smartest man the former president.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Is right right? So anyway guns, you know, it's a tool. Yes,
it's a tool that I believe that you have an
absolute right to possess and use when necessary.
Looking at the New York City shooter at his rifle,
it looks like the magazine has duct tape on it.
To me, that means there are two magazines staggered. When
he uses the first one up, he can a quick
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release and reload. Does this guy have military training?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Why would he need military training for that for duct
taping the magazines together? Just watch any movie that has
any bad guy in it.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Ever, so, Dragon and I actually had a fairly serious
production meeting this morning, it just finished about fifteen seconds ago,
about whether or not to even discuss this, And the
more we talked about it, the more we decided we
do want to discuss the New York City shooting, but
(00:55):
not because yeah, yeah, we sort of wanted to discuss
because we didn't want to discuss it correct and we
didn't want to discuss it. And I don't want to
sound like dispassionate, cold hearted bastard, which I many people
claim that I am, but it's a shooting in New
(01:15):
York City. However, then as we are talking about it,
ABC News comes on, and then ABC News causes me
to go to our ABC Radio News call page, which
lists all of the you know, the little news stories
(01:38):
and in the course of our production meeting, Uh, dragon
just happened to me. It was Reno, right, correct, it
is Reno. And this guy came from Vegas, right.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
The New York Shooter. Yes, came from Vegas. There was
a report that I heard that they made it very
clear that he drove through Colorado and Kansas.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Okay, all right, Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
He could have driven through Wyoming and Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
He could have driven I don't know, through Montana and Minnesota. Yep. Yeah,
but he hopestly drove through Colorado and Canada. Okay, then
that causes us to start going down this rabbit hole
of well, first let's let's let's stop and think. If
you go to the Drudge Report right now, there is
(02:27):
a picture of him. This was apparently on Park Avenue somewhere.
I'm not sure what the cross street was, but it
obviously he looks like an office building in midtown Manhattan.
Now it says targets the NFL. So maybe this office
building has the NFL headquarters in it. I'm not quite sure.
But not only but yes, yeah, but yeah, not only
but you know, it's it's you know, it's a it's
(02:49):
a man it's a midtown Manhattan office building.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Dozens of of companies in that building, yes, and.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
And lots of office buildings just like this have these
large plazas out front. They build those for security reasons
and for pedestrian flow. The security reason is, you know,
they've got ballards out around the street, so it's hard
to get you know, you know, a Timothy McVeigh rider
truck up next to the building, and it allows people
(03:17):
to freely move in, and it gives law enforcement a
better view of everything that's going on. Well, the photo
that Drudge has chosen to put on their website shows
him strolling with an AR fifteen to his side on
I mean the pictures from his right side, and it
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shows him walking purposely. I shouldn't say strolling purposely, and
there isn't clearly from me without even blowing the photo up,
there is a what appears to be an AR style
rifle in his right hand. It was dangerous assault rifles,
those scary those scary looking assault rifles, which is interesting
(04:02):
in this point.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
What point is that, Michael, Well, this is midtown Manhattan.
Uh huh, where guns are illegal? Wait? What what out
of this?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Out of this spot?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
He was in a gun free zone and had.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
A gun, and he's and he's walking through this large
plaza and I'm thinking, did did no no one at
all call and say or did no? I mean, because
through if you've been in midtown Manhattan, there are cops everywhere.
(04:36):
Now they might be you know, it might be a
you know, a patrolman and his partner sitting in their
squad car, you know, you know, double parked at a
corner somewhere. They may be just parked out in front
of an office building, but they're there. Or it could
be a street cop, you know, walking the beat or whatever.
But there are cops everywhere. And I'm just kind of
(04:57):
perplexed about how did this guy get all the way
from wherever the hell he parked, because I doubt he
parked in the garage because those are usually for employees. Uh,
And I don't know, maybe if he had the money
to drive all the way, I mean, if he had
the money to drive through Colorado, he clearly was rich,
because it costs so damn much to drive through Colorado
(05:17):
because you have to stop and get your car repaired,
you know, from all the potholes. So he had to
get his car repair to keep going through Kansas.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I counter your argument with trying to find a parking
space that this man shot himself when he was done,
so he didn't care. You just pull up in the
middle road, stop your car, and get out.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
He just sat, he parked in the street and just
he double parked. He parked next to the UPS guy,
and the UPS guy's pissed off. And you know when
he came back out and there's a guy parked next
to him and he can't get out. Yeah, but he
nonetheless is walking across the plaza and no one. I mean,
how did he get in the How did this happen?
How did this happened? That's number one? Then number two
(05:57):
would be in our production. Dragons specifically asked me do
you plan to talk about the New York shooting? And
without any reservation or hesitation, I said no or.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Not typically you know, the breaking news kind of show.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So I wasn't sure if you were, Because if we
don't know a whole bunch of information about it, there's
no real point in talking about it and giving an
analysis to it.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So in this movie, don't happened last night?
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Right? Even though we like to give in depth analysis
about things about which we know absolutely nothing.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
When we know a little something, we certainly don't want
to give any analysis. True, we want to be totally
oblivious to anything we give analysis on. But then I
called myself, thinking, why do I not want to talk
about this? I don't want to talk about this because
which we're talking about, which I find interesting, We're talking
about something that I don't want to talk about. Correct,
(06:52):
is that it's a it's another shooting in New York,
in New York, or for that matter, anywhere Dragon. True,
it's another shooting in another day Indian. Why But then
we hear the ABC news and somehow you or one
(07:12):
of us mentions, Oh, but what about.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Reno, Reno? What happened in Reno?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
There was a shooting in Reno yesterday.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Well, these maniac shooters time out their shootings a little
better so that the news can cover them properly for
a few days.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
First, well, we need to keep the cycle going. And
if you do everything in the same day that shortens.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
The cycle, it's too good.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
It's right. So, if this was on Monday, Reno should
have waited until.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Wednesday, exactly at least Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
At least Wednesday but they didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
They need to plan better. Well, they do need to
plan better. He read it message boards. They need to
get their stuff together.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
You know what, there probably is a subreddit somewhere about
mass shooting, mass shooting or you know, I you know
how to do a mass shooting. I don't know. Then
that makes me curious, because let's see. Just let me
scroll through drudge real quickly, top left corner. Of course,
everything is about the New York shooter who is shamed
(08:14):
to Mura. That must be.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Barricades were made out of sofas shooter targets.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
NFL suffered from head trauma, developing five dead. Bloodbath, bloodbath
on Park Avenue. Okay, now we got to the regular stories.
Let's see. We got Obama, we got Germany, we got
Don's metal State, we got FBI, the Taiwan president. New
TV show imagines China invasion. Well that's not. Oh, by
(08:44):
the way, just as a side note, real quickly, I
heard on the way in there's a spaceship. There's an
alien spaceship that is on a direct path they believe
is a directed path towards Earth. So perhaps the sweet
meteor of death that we all wished for in twenty sixteen.
Perhaps a sweet meteor of death is for five.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You use the term spaceship. So did the news story
use the term spaceship or is it meteor?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
No, spaceship, the news story used face. I'm sure identify
this is a.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Spaceship and not as you it was.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
It was not a media comment or no, it's not
a meteor a comment. It was some sort of like ship.
Maybe they didn't say spaceship, but there is a something like,
you know, a satellite or a some object other than
a meteor. A direct on a direct because it was
because they say based on you know, corrected, Yeah, like
(09:42):
course corrections kid, Yeah, yeah, that that was on Fox
News this morning. But anyway, I keep strolling. It's the Oh,
here's a really important story. Photograph cop captures dons. Uh
that's President Trump's chrome dome. Uh, Tampa. We're gonna talk
(10:03):
about Tampa. That's that's here. Let's see. I don't see I.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Don't any reno at all on drugs, you.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Know, anywhere on Drudge. I don't see.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I must not be important enough because that one only
killed four people versus.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Right, So we if you have first, you have new York,
which is the center of the cabal universe. So and
then Reno's just you know, the little town that you know,
tried harder, you know whatever. Whatever. That little motto is
a Reno Uh, you know it's it's it's subsumed entirely
by Clark County in Las Vegas. So then I got
(10:43):
curious about the top of the hour news was all about,
uh New York. Just bear with me. This is Oh
now they've already seen, They've hadded new Let's go, this
is ABC News.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
In a note to employees of the NFL, one of
the high profile tenants of three forty five Park Commissioner
Roger Goodell, sharing that a league employee was seriously.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Injured in the attack.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
He is in the hospital in stable condition, and Goodell
also writing that employees should work from home at least
for today, adding quote, we will get through this together.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That was at eight oh five Eastern time. This one
is at seven fifty four Eastern time.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
New York City Mayor Eric Adams there to assess the scene.
Speaker 7 (11:31):
A heart's break for the families and friends of the victims.
We pray for the swift and safe recovery of the
engine terrific crime reminds us all how easy.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
It is to gain access to a gun.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
At least five people were shot for fatally now the
city remembering the victims, including that thirty six year old
NYPD officer vid.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
A Rule Islam that was at seven fifty four. At
seven fifty am ABC News.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
Police say he entered the lobby and began spraying bullets,
hitting a police officer, another man, a security guard, and
a woman who took cover behind a pillar.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Third flow if not secure, we have multiple people shot.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
The suspect taking the elevator to the thirty third floor,
where he again opened fire, killing a woman there before
barricading himself inside. Authorities saying the suspect died from a
self inflicted gunshot wound to the chest.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
And then at seven forty six this morning.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
Las Vegas police had issued him a concealed carry permit
and officers here are now tracking down where he bought
the M four rifle used in the shooting. The NYPD
also found a revolver and ammunition in his BMW.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Along with medication.
Speaker 9 (12:45):
Police said he had a documented mental health history. In fact,
we're learning police here in Las Vegas were called at
least twice in recent years for a person in mental
health distress.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Let's just skip the part about mental health distress and
BMW's okay, can we just skip for that part. Okay,
let's just ignore that. Then at seven thirty seven am
from the building.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Used ACB were running, That's what it was.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
People inside the building were saying they heard someone, They
thought someone fell down the stairs, and.
Speaker 9 (13:14):
Then they realized I was just stared with someone shooting
a gun.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
And then at seven again, at seven thirty seven am.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
In Tomorrow's pocket, police said they found what sources described
as a rambling, three page handwritten note that claims he
suffered from traumatic brain injury and made vague references to
the NFL, which is headquartered at three forty five Park Avenue.
Growing up in Los Angeles, Tomorrow did play football. It's
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not clear he actually suffered from CTE, but that note
is an important clue as investigators urgently try to track
down why he drove cross country and targeted that building at.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Seven thirty am this morning.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Real, real quick, I just did for the Eastern I
just did a quick Google as to how long that
drive is? Oh, yes, thirty seven hours. Thirty seven hours
from Vegas to.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Nego hours seven thirty Eastern this morning five thirty Mountain time.
Speaker 9 (14:11):
At he said, twenty seven year old Shane Tomorrow was
found with a note that may point to a possible motive.
He lived here at this gated subdivision in Las Vegas,
about twenty minutes from the Strip. The NYPD said Tomorrow
left Nevada on Saturday and entered New York City from
New Jersey on Monday, just a couple of hours before
the shooting.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know, Dragon, I was just thinking, as they keep
mentioning Vegas, I don't think he had CTE. I think
it was the scorching heat.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Wasn't it hotter in New York than it was in Vegas?
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I don't know, no, Okay, So I've gone through now
everything about shootings in the from ABC News from five
thirty am this morning.
Speaker 10 (14:58):
Now scroll scroll scroll scroll, scroll scroll scroll scroll.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh look here this is from four forty two this morning,
and here is the entirety of ABC news news coverage of.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Reno police has suspect opened fire on a group of
people outside the Grand Sierra Resort, killing three and wounding
several more. Officers engaging the suspect in a shootout. He
was taken to a hospital in critical condition.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
That's thirteen seconds. Thirteen seconds versus several minutes of ABC
News coverage of New York ABC News headquarters. Well, I
don't recall specific I don't think it's exactly on Park Avenue.
I thought it was on the Upper West Side, but
it's Nonetheless, New York City is the center of the universe.
(16:01):
New York City is the nucleus, is the is the
core of the cabal. So and of course the NFL. So,
the NFL, the cabal. ABC News, everything is about New York,
New York, New York, the place so weird they named
it twice.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I could almost maybe see the justification in talking about
New York more so than Reno. The New York more
people died, unfortunately, the killer killed himself. In Reno, fewer
people died killers alive, according.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
To that story. I don't I know nothing more than that.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
As well as we just look at sheer population in
both places. I'm gonna just guess here my math could
be wrong, but New York's a little bit more populated
than Reno.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
So, and I thought that this gun violence was out
of control, and that we wanted to cover all all
of these stories, and we wanted to put fear in
everybody to how out of control this is. But we
want to focus on New York because well, that's in
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our backyard, and Reno is out there somewhere.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And I don't know about the rules there in Reno
or are you able to own a gun in Reno
as you are?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I not know, but I would assume that Reno, I
would assume that Nevada is a little less strict than
what New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just another
example of media bias and how you as the consumer
of news, need to stop sometimes and think about what
(17:41):
are you being spoon fed and why are you being
spoon fed these particular stories. Now I haven't heard. All
I heard is that there was a shooting in Reno.
I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
I couldn't resist. But did he do it with an
(18:02):
AR fifteen? Do we have? I mean it must not
have been, because I would have thought that would have
been an inherent part of the story. That's an inherent
part of the story in New York. Yeah, Plus you
got the NFL, so some victims are more equal than others,
and some stories are more equal than others too. Yeah,
(18:30):
it's just And then I can't believe I spent an
entire segment on something that I was not going to
talk about.
Speaker 11 (18:43):
Corn and fair face, Morning Ding Dong. What I noticed
about the shooter's firearm in New York is that the
barrel end of the firearm appears to be bent just
before what looks like a suppressor. I have never seen
a fire arm like that in all my years and
my military career.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, perhaps you've never packed your M four in the
trunk and then driven across Ice seventy in Colorado and
had to get bent when you hit the potholes.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Maybe that's why I can only assume you're referring to
the image of him walking in that courtyard area. I
can see how that could be construed. But looking at
other images posted of the rifle on such sites as
New York Post here that I'm looking at, I don't
see it it bent. And for that first time back
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that's talking about the magazine's tape together doesn't look like
from this image. I mean, you can certainly have more
than one magazine.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And well, but you know, let's not gloss over the
point about the magazines, which we've failed to mention in
the last segment, and that is whether they were taped together,
whether he had some extras in his pocket or not.
It shows the absurdity of the magazine capacity limit. Just
buy more magazines. It is no, it is truly no
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different than Michael Bloomberg's idea that you can't buy a
thirty two ounce you know, you know, fountain drink because well,
it's gonna make you fat. Okay, we'll buy two sixteen ouncements.
Then how about that same same stupid theory from liberals,
from the Marxists, who think that, you know, again, we
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want to control your behavior.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
In fact, there's a lot of stories in today's pos
about you know, people trying to control your behavior, and Denver, Colorado,
you're at the forefront of it. You but a number
nine zero sixty zero, Mike, Have you noticed that the
stabbing and Traverse City, Michigan has completely fallen off the radar.
That's because a good guy with a gun stopped the assailant.
(20:59):
Oh but you would, are you wrong? Because I decided
that I would just go search and see what I
can find. Now, you got to do it again because I, boy,
this is such a lousy sight ABC News. That is
so I quickly did a search on ABC News. Well
yesterday at nine pm Eastern time. Wait, wait, beyond anything,
(21:23):
you know, nine nine pm Eastern time is seven o'clock
Mountain time for those of you who are clock challenged,
even our news is essentially over. But they did have
this count the seconds.
Speaker 12 (21:38):
Derek Perry is the man holding the gun, now being
hailed a hero.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
In an interview with ABC News.
Speaker 12 (21:43):
Perry, a husband, father, and former marine, says anyone would
have done what he did.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
I didn't think of anything other than trying to get
him away from people and get him isolated and get
him to put the knife down and just to kind
of focus on me and instead of everyone that was
yelling and screen in the background.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Writer.
Speaker 12 (22:02):
Today, the suspect, forty two year old Bradford James Gilly,
appearing in court now charged with terrorism and eleven counts
of assault with the intent to murder after police say
he entered the walmart around four pm Saturday and began
attacking people near the checkout area.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Well, you didn't have anybody die, and you know, here
here's a guy who's you know, well, he's a foreign
military guys. We don't want to give them any credit
for anything. And you know it was Traverse City. I
mean Traverse City. Come on, you know, nobody cared that.
ABC News doesn't care. But at least they had some
(22:36):
reporter Mola Lingji, Mola ling guy. At least they had
somebody mentioned something about it. So you got to give
them some credit for that. All of this, though, is
part of the propaganda war and in the ongoing battle
over our Second Amendment rights, and these cames remind me,
(23:01):
particularly because it's New York, New Jersey, the tri state
area in the northeast. There's a key case this challenging
New Jersey's gun carry restrictions that has been in limbo
for nearly two years now, after oral arguments, oral arguments
for almost two years ago, and the Third Circuit Court
(23:23):
of Appeals has not yet ruled in a case Coons
and Siegel versus Platkin. So who cares about your constitutional
rights if all you can do is okay, we're gonna
have oral arguments. We'll have those oral arguments. You know,
back in twenty twenty three and in twenty twenty five,
(23:44):
you know, Michael brown Will mentioned it, but you know,
nobody cares because nobody listens to him, and you know
he's only got twelve listeners and doesn't make any difference.
And besides, his listeners are a bunch of goobers, and
so nobody cares. Well, I got the receipts. So let's
talk for a moment about Koons's Seagull versus Platkin. But
to understand that case, you got to go back to
(24:06):
the foundational Supreme Court decisions that have shaped modern gun rights.
Let's go back to two thousand and eight. That's when
the Supreme Court decided DC versus Heller. That case originated
when Heller, who was a special police officer in DC,
challenged DC's strict handgun band requirements that required long guns
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be kept unloaded and disassembled or trigger locked at home. Well,
what good does that do you? In a five to
four ruling, the Court held for the very first time
that the Second Amendment protects the individual's right to possess
firearms for self defense in the home, completely disconnected and
(24:48):
separate apart from any anything to do with Malitia service
Justice Scalia, whom I've told you the bazillion times, wrote
the majority opinion, emphasizing that the Amendments, text and history
confirm that there was a pre existing right to keep
him bear arms, that there was this natural law of
(25:09):
self defense, and you had a right to keep him
bear arms prior to the Second Amendment. So that case
DC versus Heller struck down as unconstitutional d C's laws,
and that's that's the foundational case for everything. A mere
two years later, in twenty ten, McDonald versus Chicago. That
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case extended Heller's protections to the states. Otis McDonald. He
was a retired African American custodium along with a bunch
of other Chicago residents. In this case, they sued over
the city's virtual ban on handgun possession, and again, in
a five to four decision, the Supreme Court said that
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the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment against state and
local governments via the due process clause. So that decision
invalidated Chicago's handgun band and affirmed the right to self
defense as being fundamental and is nationwide. Justice Alito, who
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wrote the opinion in McDonald case, highlighted all the historical
evidence from the reconstruction era, showing that freed slaves needed
guns for protection. Once again, if you've never read these opinions,
I really suggest you read. Don't go read some Ball
Review article about them. Don't go reap, just go read.
(26:36):
Plow your way through those opinions. But now fast forward
from twenty ten to twenty twenty two. So we've got
Heller McDonald, and now you got the Bruin decision New
York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruin. That's another
major expansion of your Second Amendment rights. There were two
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New York residents that challenged New York's so called proper
cause requirement in order to get a concealed carry permit.
What was that, well, that required you to show a
special need for self defense beyond just being you know,
a member of the general public. That case, in the
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six to three decision, the Court struck down this discretionary
licensing scheme as unconstitutional. Justice Thomas wrote the opinion. He
rejected this two step means versus end scrutiny that had
been used by the lower courts after the Heller decision,
still trying to limit you. See the Supreme Court in
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Heller McDonald, all say no, no, no, no, this is natural right.
This pre you know, this right of self defense pre
exists the Second Amendment. The Founders incorporated natural law. You
have a absolute right to keep him bear arms. Justice
Thomas rejected what was being used in New York. This
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two step means versus end scrutiny that had been used
across the country in other courts Posteller and instead mandating
that gun regulations must be consistent with the Second Amendments texts,
and that our country's historical tradition of firearm regulation. That
ruling invalidated all of these may issue laws in the
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States and triggered a wave of challenges to other restrictions.
But the Bruin impact was immediate because then a state
like New Jersey, New Jersey in particular, because that's the
third circuit case I want to talk about, New Jersey
scrambled to enact new laws restricting where permitent gun owners
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could carry firearms. What were they doing. They were aiming
to comply with the decision in Bruin while still limiting
the ability to publicly carry. They will continue to do
anything in everything they can. So in December of twenty
twenty two, just months after the Bruined decision, New Jersey
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passed Chapter one thirty one that was a sweeping gun
control measure sponsored amid concerns about increased gun violence. The
law designated numerous sensitive places where concealed carriers, band bars, beaches, playgrounds, parts,
public gatherings, even private property if it was open to
the public unless a welcoming sign is posted just well
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go read the decision. It also prohibited loaded handguns in cars,
and it required mandated liability insurance for the permit holders. Now,
critics rightfully argue that that effectively nullified the Supreme Court's
decision in Bruin by making carry a firearm impractical in
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everyday life, and that led to two major lawsuits Coons
versus Platkin and Segal versus Platkin, filed by gun rights
groups like the Firearms Policy Coalition in the Second Amendment Foundation.
And then there were the individuals, mister Coons and mister
Guado Guadillo. Those cases, consolidated in Federal District Court claimed
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the restrictions violated the Second Amendment under Bruins's history and
tradition test, meaning what's been the tradition in this country,
what's the history? And the plainists argued that there were
no historical analogs for banning caring in such broad public
areas like you know, a public open space or a park,
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or a public gathering for that matter, even private property.
On May sixteenth, twenty twenty three, US District Judge Renee
bum issued a detailed two hundred and thirty page preliminary
injunction blocking enforcement of those provisions. She said that New
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Jersey did not provide any historical evidence justifying bands in
places like cars, private property without consent, and obviously all
those public venues that I just described. She criticized New
Jersey for ignoring the bruined decision and cited all the
extensive historical analysis to support her. Ruly, so the third
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Circuit took it up. The third Circuit held oral arguments,
and here we are two years later and no decision.
And yeah, so the third Circuit took a break on time,
and they're still on break.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
Michael, looks like it's time for you to check in
its sound relief. It wasn't a space ship. It was
space ish. I'm trying to keep it PG for your
airways by you know, as in crap space ish.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Space space, crap space space crap directed that well, same thing,
sweet meteor. I mean, so the sweet media of death,
sweet turt of death. I don't get smart or stad,
I just make the difference to me. Uh, sixty five,
just just hit us and put us out of our misery.
Sixty five eleven rides Mike. Then tell how the Colorado
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law that I hope does not go into effect next year,
but trust me it will that we will have to
jump through hoops to buy a gun. How is that
not a violation of the Second Amendment? Thanks Tom, Well, Tom,
it is. It's clearly a violation the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
In my opinion, some would be arguing that all of
the restrictions on purchasing a firearm would be against the
Second Amendment.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
In fact, that would be me The only restriction that
exists prior to the adoption of the Second Amendment that
I can think of, that just pops the top of
my mind is gunsmith's would not sell firearms to crazy people.
If you were the town loon, they wouldn't sell you
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a gun. So there you got it. But we've vilified
guns so badly that we're scared to death of it.
But let me finish about the whole New Jersey cases,
because as of last night, no decision has been issued
nearly two years after the arguments, and I would argue
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that that is in and of itself unconstitutional because that
leaves gun owners in a complete state of flux, uncertainty
and potentially undermines the timely enforcement of our constitutional rights.
Historical records submitted by the State of New Jersey are
actually irrelevant or too late to align with any sort
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of founding era understanding of what our gun rights were.
And all of this in action comes amid a surge
in concealed carry permit applications in New Jersey, hitting records
high's earlier this year, as residents were trying to exercise
their rights post Bruin you can go. There's a great
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story in the New Jersey Monitor about how the number
of applications has increased because people saw the Brewin decision
and said, oh, yeah, man, I'm going to get my
permit now. Now, if the Third Circuit upholds Judge Bums injunction,
that could strike down these broad sensitive place bands nationwide,
further expanding your right to carry. A ruling for the
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State of New Jersey might actually encourage similar restrictions elsewhere,
and that would probably lead to a Supreme Court review.
But Justice Thomas Warren that delays in Second Amendment cases
treated as a second class right, I would argue that
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the law actually endangers self defense. The law the natural
law of self defense. Supporters are arguing, well, it's essential
for public safety and sensitive areas. Oh wait a minute,
I'm still looking at the Drudge report. As I look
at the Drudge report, that would be one of the
sensitive places where huh. I wonder what the new Jersey
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law would have done with regard to that, because, as
we all know, people who want to get a gun,
even the crazies. Whether this guy had CTE, whether he
just had you know, a heat stroke, whether he was
just effing crazy, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
For the son of the previous president who just lied
on his application.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Oh that was all that was all fake news. Oh sorry, yeah,
that was all fake news. I mean, hunter Biden had
never lied to get a gun, could have his girl
and have his girlfriend or his former sister in law
go dumping in trash? Can I mean?
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Can you know he is the smartest man the former president.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Is right right? So anyway guns, you know, it's a tool. Yes,
it's a tool that I believe that you have an
absolute right to possess and use when necessary.
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