7-9-25 - 7am - Epstein Questions

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey morning, Mike Dragon. Quick question.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
She says she had the case on her desk along
with a couple other cases.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Isn't the Epstein case, Moarning likely at least ten to
fifteen boxes of information?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Curiosity question? Thank you sir, have a good morning. Oh.
I don't have the note in front of me from yesterday,
but it was three let me think. I think it
was three hundred plus gigabytes of data, more than I

(00:35):
want to say, ten thousand videos, and then I forget
there was one other category. There was the gigabytes of data,
there were the videos, and then there was some other category.
It just escaped my mind right now. And in fact,
it was back in April of just this year that

(00:58):
she said there are tens of thousands of video and
it's all with little kids. And then again on May seven,
she said videos of Epstein with children or child porn.
And I mentioned yesterday that there was a glitch in

(01:18):
the video. Now remember there are two videos.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, real quick here, Michael. I think the Talkbacker was
just more or less referencing physical copy versus digital copies.
So I think he was just saying that it shouldn't
there be like fifteen to twenty boxes of Epstein files,
Epstein data. No, you can put all that on thumb drive.
I'm sure files, and it still could be on her desk.
So I think he was just kind of conflating the
two between physical and digital.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
And I think there's both. I mean, I think they've
got yeah, of course, yeah, they've got hard drives, they
got thumb drives, but.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
They're sorting through you know, VHS tape.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Hell's bills. He may have had a server for all
we know, right, yeah, you know, so you got to
have they've got a server rack somewhere with everything on it.
And then to your point, yes, there's probably maybe beta,
maybe VHS, there's CDs, there's everything, but tens of thousands
of videos. Now I want to start with just before
I get to the to the jail video, before I

(02:14):
forget this. It's later my notes, but I want to
get to it right now. Kislaine Maxwell is currently imprisoned
for X number of years I forget how many for
child or minor. By that I don't mean like major minor,

(02:35):
I mean like miners, like under the age of eighteen,
child or minor. Sex trafficking. Now sex trafficking in terms
of a crime means that you have to engage in
the transportation delivery, making available whatever kind of phrase you want,

(02:55):
to use a child under the age of eighteen for
sexual purposes, to get, you know, to give to another
human being, for that human being to abuse them. Child
sex trafficking. That's what she's in jail for now, if

(03:18):
she's got tens of thousands of videos, as the Attorney
General says, and Gislaine Maxwell has been lawfully convicted by
a jury of her peers for child sex trafficking and
human trafficking too because there were some over the age
of eighteen. Who was the only perpetrator, Jeffrey Epstein, see that.

(03:45):
This is where none of this makes any sense to me.
Now some of you have. I was reading text messages
last night and I'm not gonna go look up because
they've gotten buried now in the all the new text messages.
But it was basically yeah case Sarah, Sarah, or you know, hey,

(04:07):
it's another day ending, and why it was like, you know, so,
what is Jeffrey Epstein, I don't care. I'm gonna tell
you why you should care, because I think this is
the first speed bump that Trump has allowed or unwittingly,

(04:31):
Uh bumped over it going way too fast. You know
how when you don't realize there's a speed bump or
it's larger than you think it is and you boom boom.
I think this has hit him. I think that's one
reason why he got so mad yesterday when during the
cabinet meeting he was asked about the I'm going to

(04:56):
see if I can pull it up real quickly. He
was asking about the Jeffrey Epstein situation, and he got
really mad about it.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Your memo and released yesterday. Jeffreys seen get less some
lingering mysteries.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked
for an American or foreign intelligence agency. The former Labor
Secretary who was Miami he was attorney.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Alex Kasaki allegedly said that he did for intelligence agency.
So could you resolve whether or not he did?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
And also could you see why there was a minute
missing from the jail house stead Yeah, sir, and that
I just said you up. Are you still talking about
Jeffrey at Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
You're asking we have Texas.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
We have this, we have all of the things, and
are people still talking about this guy, this great, that
is unbelievable. Do you want to waste the time?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
And can you feel like I don't mind answering.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question at
Epstein at a time like this where we're having some
of the greatest success and also tragedy with what happened
in Texas.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It just seems like a desecration.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
But you go ahead, sure.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
And she does. She goes ahead and she addresses it,
and we'll get to her answer in just a moment.
But why should we care about this saying that there
is no client list. I'm willing to give the Attorney
General the benefit of the doubt. Now, I think it

(06:38):
was sloppy when John Roberts asked her, so is it
true that you're going to release I played the audio, Yesterda,
here's no sent in repeating it today. John Roberts ask her,
is it true that you have the client list from
Jeffrey Epstein and you're really going to release that? She says,

(07:01):
I have it on my desk. I'm reviewing everything. Well,
that was sloppy if she really meant that. I don't
know if there's a client list, but I have all
of the files. I have all the I have the
entire investigative file from the Eastern District of New York,

(07:23):
the Southern District of New York, the District of Columbia,
every jurisdiction, the FBI, everybody who is investigating Jeffrey Epstein.
I have all of those files on my desk. I
don't think she meant literally, but I've got all of
those files and yes, we're reviewing them and we're going
to do it. Well, it left the impression that because
John Roberts asked specifically about a client list and are

(07:45):
you going to release the client list, and she said yes,
I'm reviewing all of that. Well, that leaves the impression
that there was a client list. Well, now they say
there is no client list, and if there's no further
evidence to really and they don't really give any explanation
for the contradiction. And as Trump was doing in the

(08:08):
cabinet meeting yesterday, And let me make something very clear
about Trump. I don't believe Trump's involved in the Jeffrey
Epstein scandal at all, when when it's very well documented
that when he learned that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in
or perhaps involved, or at least rumored to be involved

(08:29):
in child sex trafficking. He immediately distanced himself and shutting down.
You're no longer welcome to mar A Lago. No involvement.
And I know all the conspiracy theorists can go out
and find all these photographs of Jeffrey Epstein, you know,
standing next to Donald Trump somewhere. I always say this

(08:51):
about those kinds of photographs. I don't know. I mean,
I'm not putting myself on the same level of Donald Trump,
don't I'm just using myself as an example. When I
was the undersecretary, I used to have my photograph taken
all the time. People would always I mean even to
this day. There occasionally some of you may may see

(09:11):
me somewhere, or I may be out in public somewhere
and somebody said, hey, can I have a photograph. Sure,
I don't care, and so, you know, we take a photograph.
The one thing I did learn was never put your
arm around a woman. Do that. I was thought that
by my Press secretary cover hand. Yeah, you know, make
sure both of your hands are visible or by your

(09:32):
side so that you know you're Because I did, I
had a tendency when somebody would, you know, male or female.
When somebody would stand next to me to a photograph,
I would put my you know, my arm around their
waist to you know, kind of lean into the photograph.
Uh No, first time I did that, my press secretary
came to me and said, stop it, do not do that.
So I quit doing it. The point being, when you're

(09:56):
a public figure, you get your picture taken all the
time and people everywhere. It just happens. So I don't
read anything into those photographs. Now, let's think for a
moment about Bongino and Cash Battel. Bongino back in May

(10:22):
two years ago said, there's a big assumption out there
that these videotapes were exclusively in the custody of Epstein.
That's a huge mistake. They may have had his plane
wired up, and they're the ones who have all this stuff.
How do you know some of these countries aren't going
to aren't going to some of these power players who
aren't making decisions, because hey, you wouldn't want this video

(10:45):
out there. Right December twenty fourth, Cash Batel, criticizing Republicans
in Congress for not releasing the Epstein files, said, put
on your big boy pants and let us know who
the pedi files are. God knows, the FBI and the
Department of Justice aren't going to do anything because of
who's on that list. You don't think that Bill Gates

(11:08):
is lobbying Congress day and nine to prevent the disclosure
of that list. That's the current FBI director in December
of twenty twenty four. Now are these fringe allegations or
these real allegations. There is a huge difference between people

(11:28):
will say to me, why don't you run for public office?
Whyn't why don't don't you run for governor? Why don't
you run for you know, whatever office it is. There's
no way in hell I'm going to do that because
I come on here and say whatever I think, and
sometimes months later I may be proven wrong, or I

(11:51):
may say something that's outrageous because I actually believe it,
but to somebody else it's utterly outrageous. So if you
wanted to do opposition research on me running for public office,
you could dig up any number of things, take any
number of things out of context too, and call me

(12:11):
a racist, a homophobe, transphobe, a biggot in any number
of things.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Definitely a sexist.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
A sexist, clearly a sexist. And really I really just
hate formally formally fat people. You know, I don't care
how much way you've lost. I just hate you. And
if you're bald and used to be fat, I really
hate you. And then if you end up being my producer,
why did I ask for that?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
What do you think about beards?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh? Despise beard?

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Gotcha.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I will say this honestly about beards. Last last night
or maybe this morning, as I was getting dressed, they
were interviewing a firefighter down in the floods and he
had a mustache but it looked like it was it
was a nineteen seventies huh.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
It was a porn stash.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
He's a porn stash. Just I couldn't help but laugh.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Those are coming back. They were really coming back.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Oh my god. I looked at it and I thought.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Oh, Gody, you've seen Brad in the building, right, Oh yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's bringing it back.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well. I wanted to like write this guy an email
and say I don't know you, but I'm just telling
you it doesn't look good on you. This doesn't look good.
But I'm just not first of all, even for what
Dragon has. It takes me like the rest of my life.
I could have started when I was twelve, and I
still wouldn't have What dragon has only four hairs after
twelve exactly, I'm just too I got too much Native

(13:41):
American in me, so I just I just can't do it.
The whole point of this is a lot of things
were said that based on what did when Patel and
Bongino bitched and owned about not releasing a list, did

(14:03):
they know that a list existed? Well, I don't know.
I don't know if a list exists or doesn't. All
I know it now is that someone who told me
or told the public that we want the list released,
put your big boy pants on. We want know who

(14:26):
the pedophiles are. The FBI and the Department of Justice
aren't going to do anything. They may have had the
plane wired up. We do know there are thousand, thousands
and thousands of videotapes of what now we've been told
of child porn. I don't want the child porn released,
even you know, I was thinking about what I said yesterday.

(14:46):
Even if you pixelate the children in the video, I
still that No. I do not want them released at all.
But there's got to be videos of people on the island,
guilty or not guilty. I don't know how would I

(15:08):
feel if Jeffrey Epstein invited me to fly his jet
to go to the island to spend a weekend. You know,
maybe maybe when I was the undersecretary, he could have
called and said, look, you, you know, I saw you
on television. You were working really hard on some disaster.
Why don't you let me fly you down to my island,

(15:29):
spend some time on the beach, relaxed for a couple
of days, and then you know, we'll take you back
to d C. I would have asked around, who the
hell is Jeffrey Epstein? And I would have asked, you know,
my general counsel, should I do that or not do that?

Speaker 3 (15:44):
What?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
You know, what is it ethical? Is that ethical? Would
I have done it?

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Man?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I don't know if I'd have done it or not.
I will tell you that I had family members and
I had friends who after a disaster would say, Hey,
we're gonna come to DC and we're gonna take you.
We're gonna go off to you know, some resort in
West Virginia somewhere, and we're gonna spend two days just

(16:09):
you know, relaxing. Well, yeah, of course I would go
do that, and I did do that. I just I
want to point out that some of this may have
been very, very innocent, and some of it was obviously not.
And it obviously was not because Gislay Maxwell is in
prison for child sex trafficking, child sex and human trafficking.

(16:35):
So I'm not sure that these are French allegations We're
we're not getting I don't think the whole story and
the fact that we're now being told that we're not
going to release certain things, I think raises a lot

(16:57):
of questions that for whatever reason, and I don't know
what it is, but for whatever reason, people don't want
to address the obvious question, Well, he's dead, she's being convicted,
she's in jail. There really are no privacy issues. If

(17:22):
you want to pixelate like Bill Gates, for example, if
Bill Gates was just on the island, pixelatest picture and
show that video.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Michael, if Trump was involved with Epstein, Biden's letter for
lencht it mingo, and as far as releasing all of
the files, I don't know why they are holding.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Back on this. This is crazy. Here is Pam Bundy
yesterday at the cabinet meeting.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Go ahead, sure, sure.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
First to back up on that, in February, I did
an interview on Fox and it's been getting a lot
of attention because I said I was asking a question
about the client list and my response was it's sitting
on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file along
with the JFK MLK files as well. That's what I

(18:18):
meant by back also to the tens of thousands of
video they turned out to be child porn downloaded by
that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Child born is what they were
never going to be released, never going to see the
light of day. To him being an agent, I have
no knowledge about that. We can get back to you
on that. And the minute missing from the video. We

(18:40):
released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive,
but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide.
And what was on that there was a minute that
was off the counter. And what we learned from euro
of Prisons was every year, every night they redo that

(19:02):
videos old from like nineteen ninety nine, so every night
the video is reset and every night should have the
same minute missing. So we're looking for that video to
release that as well, showing that a minute is missing
every night.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
And that's it.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
On Epstein, I'm sorry I missed you. See if I
can find the right timestamp AND's.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Of thousands of video they turned out to be child
porn downloaded by that, disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Tol porn is
what they were never going to be released, never going
to see the lighted day. To him being an agent,
I have no knowledge about that. We can get back
to you on that.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that.
I can get back to you on that. Okay, so
she's made another promise. Now. I actually without knowing anything
about the Bureau of Prisons either than it's not a
very efficient organization, has horrible budget problems. I wouldn't be

(20:03):
surprised if their security surveillance system does reset every night
at midnight.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, they're still using like VHS tapes where they had
to switch Outy's tape into Tuesday's time, right, or it.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Just erases and goes back and starts all over again.
You know that kind of thing. It could be any
number of I mean, if it is truly nineteen ninety
early two thousand's security system. That wouldn't surprise me in
the least, But I was surprised that, without any promptings,
she brought up the idea of Jeffrey Epstein being an agent.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
No, that was that was part of the question. It
was almost part of the question. Yeah, okay, one part
of the question.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Well, I'm still surprised that she addressed it, because that's
where I think this becomes important. Sometimes it's just people.
Other people can write or say things much better than
I can. And in this case, Michael Shellenberg has done
an amazing story about this. Let me just kind of

(21:04):
summarize it for you and walk through it. And he
starts out by talking by describing that, you know, the
idea that this country is ruled by a secret government
of deep state intelligence agencies like the CIA and the FBI,
he says as a right wing conspiracy theory that the
media has said exists, and they've been saying that for

(21:26):
at least ten years or longer. The New York Times,
The Washington Post, CNN, NPR all portray these claims about
the deep state really running everything as paranoid fabrications pushed
by Trump and his supporters to discredit legitimate government institutions.
He goes on to say, but yet, over the same

(21:48):
period of time, investigative reporting by not just him, but
by others have revealed that the agencies, for example, have
actually interfered into best politics in ways that actually confirmed
that kind of a narrative. We know that this the

(22:09):
FBI launched a surveillance operation against the Trump campaign. We
know that for a fact. We know for a fact
that dozens of former intelligence officials falsely claimed that Biden's hunter,
Biden's laptop was had to remember the phrase the classic
earmarks of Russian disinformation. When did they release that? Just

(22:31):
prior to the twenty twenty election, Homeland Security, FBI, they
all court, We talked about this on the program, how
they absolutely suppressed people on social media platforms in coordination
with those social media platforms to keep certain information from

(22:55):
the public, whether it was about COVID or Russia, or
the election, or any number of things. So, he writes,
all of these actions, taken together, suggests not a shadowy cabal,
but a real and expanding infrastructure of state aligned influence

(23:15):
aimed at shaping public perception. Encountering populist dissent. Just as
the Soul called conspiracy theorists claimed, I don't think it's
conspiracy theory to talk about how the deep state operates
and manipulates things to try to influence public opinion. He

(23:41):
actually points out that the strongest argument against the existence
of a secret government run by the deep State was
Trump's re election in twenty twenty four, because he says,
if agencies like the CIA, the FBI, and Homeland Security
really did have that kind of covert and unchecked control
over politics, it would be difficult to explain how their

(24:02):
most outspoken critic and avout enemy of the deep state
got back into office. Because Trump didn't merely criticize the
intel community. He ran on a platform promising to reform
the intelligence community. And remember how Schumer came out and said, oh,

(24:23):
you don't want to take on the intel community because
you know they've got all sorts of ways to get
at you.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
But then here's where Schellenberger, I think, really hits the
nail on the head. But now the Trump administration is
attempting to sweep to Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking scandal under
the rug with the Justice Department, claiming that there is
no client list and that no further disclosure is warranted,
even though Pam Bondi explicitly stated publicly that there were

(24:53):
tens of thousands of videos, which means that the ability
to identify the individuals involved sex with minors, and that
anyone in the Epstein files who tries to keep their
name private has, quote, as she said, no legal basis
to do so. Now, if there are tens of thousands

(25:16):
of videos, are they all sex videos? I just kind of,
you know, I just I kind of I think the
odds are. I think that statistically speaking, the odds are
that they're not all child sex videos. That there must
be some other videos of perhaps just let's just say

(25:39):
some you know, corporate muckety munck standing next to an
underage child. Now that doesn't prove anything, but you add
all of it together, it could because in criminal cases

(25:59):
that be circumstantial evidence. So why not release? I agree
with the Attorney General if there's actual videotapes? But you know,
there were cameras in a bedroom, cameras in a den,
cameras in a living room or a kitchen or I
don't care, wherever they were having sex cameras on the

(26:20):
beach and you have adults having sex with children, I
don't want those released. But if you have video of
a cocktail party where underaged children are mingling around with
corporate muckety MUCKs or political muffie MUCKs, I don't care
who it is. Adults and they're being served beverages, Well

(26:43):
that's indication of a crime. And why not release that
or why not instead of saying I'm not going to
release anything. Once you say we're going to investigate, you mean,
I mean it may be trivial, but if you hold
a party at your house with children under the age

(27:07):
of twenty one, the drinking age, and they get drunk
in your home and then get in a car and
go out and kill somebody driving drunk, you're going to
be held responsible. It's a crime. It's a serious crime
in our world. Why wouldn't it be a serious crime

(27:28):
on Jeffrey Epstein's island because it's part of the United States,
Schullenburger writes. On April twenty eight, twenty twenty five, in
a candidate off the record exchange caught on video, BONDI
told a bystander there are tens of thousands of videos.
It's all with little kids. She later reiterated on May seventh,

(27:51):
that there were videos of Epstein with children or child porn.
Bondi's comments directly contradicted the official stance of the administration,
which is called which has dismissed calls for a client
list and slowed efforts to release the full contents of
the Epstein files. Despite Trump's campaign promises to dismantle the
deep state and hold the leads accountable, his administration now

(28:14):
appears to be protecting the same intelligence and law enforcement
networks it once condemned. Now you can agree or disagree
with that. I just think that Trump has hit this
speed bump where he needs to just pull Bondy aside
and say got to do something. We can't just now

(28:35):
say there's nothing there is never anything there when we
have all this previous evidence. Remember yesterday I talked to
about I told you about William Burns, who served as
CIA director under Biden, who visited Epstein's New York townhouse
multiple times. I told you about the Wall Street Journal
reporting Metho's visits. I told you about Alex Acosta, the

(28:56):
DOJ official who gave Epstein his two thousand and eight
sweet deal down in Florida, told Trump transition officials that
he was told to back off Epstein because he quote
belonged to intelligence, and then the Justice Department admitted that
all eleven months of Acosta's emails from that period had

(29:17):
just magically disappeared, and its break time.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
You know, Mike, I'm beginning to think the same people
that look through Hillary's what thirty thousand emails in a
couple of hours and said there was nothing there. Yeah,
they're the same ones that are looking through all the
Fstein stuff. So I'm perfectly fine with what they haven't found,
you know.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
To say it real quickly, let me tell you what
Schollenberger says at the end, because he talks about his
concern because he's done more than many why we considered
to be left of center reporters to actually support Donald Trump.
He says that many with within the Trump administration acknowledge

(30:02):
that if they continue to just ignore the Epstein issue,
that they will lose a lot of credibility. But that
many within the Trump administration acknowledge that and note that
this is hardly the end of the Epstein affair. Quoting
someone from the Trump administration currently within the intelligence community

(30:25):
told us this afternoon as they were going to press
with this editorial, which would have been yesterday, this is
a total effing disaster. And he writes, after we pointed
out that the Attorney General said one thing, and now
the Justice Department director and deputy FBI director are all
saying the opposite. The person within the administration said, I

(30:50):
hope you asked these questions. These are the questions that
need to be asked. We're in a time when information
flows more freely. If people think that this is going
to go away, it's not. And he adds, nor we
would add should it. And then somebody on the text
line said essentially the same thing. There may be international

(31:13):
figures involved in this with which we're currently doing negotiations,
and that Trump is playing four dimensional chess. I think
actually in the text line you use the word poker.
That very well may be true, and this may not
be the end of it. But I would just caution

(31:34):
them that they've got to do a better job of
communicating that. You know, does she misspeak when she said
the list is on my desk and I'm reviewing it. Yeah,
she probably did clean it up and Congress. I think
Congress has a role to play. Why are they so quiet,

(31:54):
why are they not saying a thing? I find that
almost as interesting as this kerfuffle this going on within
within the executive branch. There's a kerfuffle going on over here,
and Democrats and Republicans both alike, are just tight lip.
Hmm