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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mike, are you saying that we got our extra congressman
in Colorado the same way that we got our extra
senator by accident our extra senator. I'm not sure what
you mean by our extra we only.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Have two senators.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
What did you were talking earlier about opened up a
new house or something.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Because of all of the distortion from the other states,
the under county in those the under county in Texas, Florida,
and Tennessee, and then the over county in California, New
York and Rhode Island that secured things such that we
ended up with an extra seat. Had to go somewhere.
(00:44):
Yeh well, probably should have gone to Texas or Florida
or Tennessee, but no went went to Colorado. So, building
on last hour about the historical background, the political background,
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the constitutional background of apportionment, census counting, all of that,
let's start this hour with something that you probably thought
you would never hear. The Democrat propaganda hack Kristen Welker,
who happens to be the hostess of NBC's Meet the
(01:28):
Press or Rush used to call them to Meet the depressed,
actually posing a tough question to a Democrat on the
question of redistricting. It happened to be that whale that
beached whale. Governor Pritzker of Illinois on purpose goes like this.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Major group that grades the fairness of congressional maps gives
your state an f Common Cause and nonpartisan government watchdog
even says your map, and I'm going to quote represents
a nearly perfect model for everything that can go wrong
with redistracting. And I guess the question is, you talk
about preserving democracy, How do you preserve democracy if you're
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using the same tactics that you've criticized Texas Republicans for.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
But as I say, what they're talking about is a distraction.
The reality is that the violation of people's voting rights
is what Texas is attempting to do.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's what's wrong with their efforts right now.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
And the fact that the President of the United States
knows it and nevertheless is asking them to do it,
that is what's wrong with what we're seeing right now.
Democracy is at state now. I had something to say,
but my dumbass producer back.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
There, barely awake, barely paying attention.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Paying attention, has his own interpretation of what that SoundBite is.
Let me see if I get it right.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They're doing it the wrong way and we're doing it
the right way.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I'd say that's pretty much on point.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Every major group that grades the fairness of congressional maps
gives your state an s common Cause and nonpartisan government watchdog.
He even says your map, and I'm going to quote,
represents a nearly perfect model for everything that can go
wrong with redistracting. And I guess the question is you
talk about preserving democracy, How do you preserve democracy if
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you're using the same tactics that you've criticized Texas Republicans for.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Neils really great about that question, is she? Now? I'm
sure she believes that Texas is also a threat to
democracy for what they're doing, but she doesn't phrase the
question that way. This is an astonishingly good question. Every
major group that grades the fairness of congressional maps gives
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your state an F common Cause, which is a highly partisan.
Now she says nonpartisan, but it's a highly partisan left
wing group common Cause, common Cause, a nonpartisan government watch dog,
even says your map and I'm gonna quote represents a
nearly perfect model for everything that can go wrong with redistricting.
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And I guess the question is you talk about preserving democracy,
How do you preserve democracy if you are using the
same tactics that you've criticized Texas for. She actually says,
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regardless of what she believes, and I certainly believes that
she is opposed to what Texas is doing, but she
asks a very legitimate question, to which the fat Bassaard replies.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
But as I say, what they're talking about is a distraction.
The reality is that the violation of people's voting rights
is what Texas is attempting to do.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's what's wrong with their efforts right now.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And the fact that the President of the United States
knows it and nevertheless is asking them to do it,
that is what's wrong with what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Democracy is at stay.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Is at stake. Kind of stunning, isn't it now. I
wanted to start with that clip because it is so
perfectly encapsulates the entire debate over what Texas is doing
right now on redistricting in terms of the strategy and
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the Democrat or the cabal. I shouldn't just say democrats.
The kabal's mendacity that is involved in this entire issue.
And many of you think that what Texas is doing
is wrong. I for the life of me, the only
thing I can understand about why you may think it's
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wrong is because it's well, it's playing the same game
that the Democrats play. It's doing something that is constitutionally permissible,
doing a reapportionment in the middle of between census. There's
nothing that prohibits that Trump wants to go further. He
wants to exclude illegal aliens, and I don't understand why
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that is somehow, as he says, where's his answer again?
The reality is that the violation of people's voting rights
is what Texas attempt is attempting to do. So, for
those of you who think that Texas is trying to
violate people's voting rights, can you please explain to me
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send me a text message right now. Explain to me
what voting right an illegal alien has in this country.
If I sneak into Croatia, random country. If I sneak
into Croatia and then I go try to vote in
a Croatian election, what right do I have to do that.
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I have zero right whatsoever. In fact, I'd probably be
imprisoned if I did it in Croatia, certainly be fined
or you know, have some sort of criminal punishment. But
this is stunning, truly stunning. Democracy is at stake. No, Actually,
let's play with the word democracy for a moment. Democracy
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is actually what we're trying to protect here. It's representative democracy,
but that's the word they use as democracy. We're actually
trying to preserve democracy here because Texas has said, wait
a minute, we were undercounted, and so we want to
redraw our lines in accordance with what the actual population
is and exclude those illegal aliens. Are you aware that
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in Texas there will be some predominant Hispanic districts, there
will be some predominant Black districts, and somehow what Texas
is doing. Democracy's a state. So let's take this point
by point. First, let's go to Christian Walker Welker herself.
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She's one of the worst propaganda hacks working on television today,
although it might be a close race with Margaret Brennan
of CBS's Face in the Nation, which I am to
be watching yesterday. Prefacing her question to Illinois Governor jb
Aka Fatbaster Pritzker by referring to the far less left
activist group Common Cause as nonpartisan. So that's a great
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example of the prevailing habit in the media that even
imposing a decently tough question to a Democrat, it's got
to be prefaced with some kind of nod to some
Democrat trope or another. And in this case nonpartisanship. Why
common Cause, one of the most partisan outfits in the
country as non partisan, But let's give her some credit.
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She does get to the actual point, which is that
Prisker's government sanctioned a congressional map in twenty twenty that
is the most heinous examples of hyperpartisan race based jerrymandering
in the entire country. Craigon, did we put we give
we put this map up on the web on the
website one time?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, And I also have this video posted that Michael says,
go here.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay, all right, good. When you look at the map
and you realize just how these districts are drawn, it
is a pu atrocity to the concept of a free
and fair election. And even the partisan outfit Common Cause
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was forced to admit that. Yet here's JB. Pritskier, governor
of Illinois, who's become the leading Democrat voice on the
opposition to what Texas is trying to do, claiming that
Texas is trying to do and something similar to what
he's doing and has done. And of course Prischker's answer
to Welker's pointed question is a classic Democrat you know,
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classic Clinton dodge. He doesn't address the question. Gl Do
you notice that he simply bridges his answers to a
prepared talking point that his staff gave him before he
went on to meet the press. That is what the
Republicans are talking about is a distraction from the real point, which,
in Pritzker's mind is what Democrats refer to as voting rights.
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Voting rights. Have you ever stopped and thought about if
you believe what Texas is doing is wrong, are you
buying into the idea that Texas is somehow violating voting rights?
Because interestingly, I see what Texas is doing as trying
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to protect voting rights. Now, whether it's intended or not,
that phrase voting rights really does get to the true
motivation of the Democrats in all of this controversy. That's
the case because everything in play in Texas and their
redistricting effort is a response to the Democrat parties over
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sixty year history of rancid abuse of the nineteen sixty
five Voting Rights Act. You know what's ironic about the
nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act is that law was
signed into That legislation was signed into law by a Texas,
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a Texan president, Lyndon Johnson, who, of course is revered
among the ends. Justify the means Democrats was a response
to Jim Crow laws, all of which were written and
imposed by Democrats who were seeking to deny Black Americans
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their right to vote through tactics like poll taxes, literacy requirements,
all these election day intimidation tactics that the Democrats engaged
in kind of ironic, isn't it now? Throughout the debate
over that law, the Voting Rights Act in nineteen sixty five,
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Lyndon Johnson and all of his line fellow Democrats promised
repeatedly that the voting's right the Voting Rights Act would
never be used to engage in race based congressional redistricting
efforts or any other tactics that would effectively render the
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votes of segments of US society meaningless. Blacks and Latinos
come to mind. What's the very first thing that the
line Democrats set off to do following the passage of
the nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act, Well, let's engage in,
Democrats said, Let's engage in race based read districting and
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other efforts to ensure that only Democrats would ever be
able to win Democrats win elections in the future. And
ever since nineteen sixty five, the Voting Rights Act has
served as the main justification for the drawing of those
insane jerry mander congressional and legislative district lines like those
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seen in that map of Illinois. And isn't it interesting
that it's the Voting Rights Act that they use to
go out and actually do exactly the opposite of what
the Voting Rights Act says it's supposed to do by
engaging in race based districting. Democrats all these lie and
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whatever they say about trying to protect democracy, which is
bull crap to begin with, They actually kind of would
like democracy because they could control and all they need
is a one vote margin and they win everything. You know,
among the lies that were told by Lyndon Johnson all
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the other Democrats during the debate or the Voting Rights Act.
And I know you've heard this that the Voting Rights
Act was designed to ensure that every vote count. How
many times have you heard Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
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Bill Clinton, al Gore? Everybody. Every vote's got account, Every
vote has to count. That's what we're doing here. Every
vote must count. Hmm. If it was designed to ensure
everybody's vote counts, the makeup of state congressional delegations would
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henceforth reflect the makeup of the overall population. In fact, however,
the Democrats have abused that law to ensure that the
votes of great, wide swaths of Americans actually don't count
at all. You want proof, because many of you right
now are who are kind of one tired of this
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issue to think that what Texas is doing is wrong.
Let me give you the examples. I touched a little
bit of this on Friday. I've got more examples. Now.
I want you to think about a list of blue
states who have jerry mandered so well that no Republican
vote counts at all in congressional races, and in fact,
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they don't count at all in the electoral College vote count.
In no particular order, Massachusetts is thirty six Republican. Thirty
six percent Republican voters in Massachusetts, they have zero congressional seats.
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I did not dive into the legislative districts there are.
I just voted. I just consentrat on the congressional districts. Connecticut.
Forty two percent of voters in Connecticut are Republican. Connecticut
has zero Republican House seats. Maine six forty six percent,
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Republican zero seats. New Mexico forty six percent, Republican zero,
Republican zero congressional seats. New Hampshire forty eight percent, almost
half zero percent Republican seats Rhode Island forty two percent.
You know zero, Vermont thirty two percent, you know zero,
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Hawaii thirty eight percent, you know zero, Delaware forty two
Republican zero. But let's don't stop there, because you have
another group of bluestate for the Republican Party and Republican voters.
Republican voters they were talking about the voting rights that
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all votes must count, is horrendously underrepresented in their congressional delegation.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Those are next, hey, Michael.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
In twenty twenty, Judicial Watch found that of the sixty
counties they reviewed, thirty nine of them in Colorado had
mailed out more ballots.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Than there were registered voters. This Jenna Griswold is bad
news and she needs to be impeached and thrown out
of office.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yes, yes, and yes. Is it going to happen? No? No,
and no? And why? Because one the Colorado House Representatives
is controlled by Democrats. They ain't going to do it
even if they were to do it. The Colorado Senate
is controlled by Democrats, and they ain't going to do it.
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So it's not going to happen. That's the real world
that I live in. There's there's something that may carry
this topic over a little bit because my damn producer
asked me a question welcome, and then I had to
go look it up. But before I even delve into
what he asked me, I want to emphasize something that
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I want to make absolutely certain you understand about those
percentages that I just gave you. How does for example,
Massachusetts have more than the third of their voters are Republican. No,
let's take New Hampshire. I didn't many difference. You can't
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take any of them. New Mexico forty six percent. All
these states that have this high percentage of Republican voters
within the states, But there are zero Republican congressman. How
can that be jerry mandarin which is the whole point
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about Illinois. Illinois jerry manders their districts to minimize the
number of Republicans they could ever get elected from Illinois. Colorado,
Colorado is a great example of that. You know, the
old Mike Kaufman district used to be a very competitive district.
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But the Colorado Democrats, when they realized we were going
to get an extra seat, they could have tried to
jerry mander it to prevent and I'm not trying to
give them any credit here. They could have tried to
jerry mander it such to maintain a all Democrat congressional delegation.
But they knew that they probably wouldn't pass judicial review.
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So what do they do. They figured out a way
to give Republicans a fairly safe seat. So we got it,
you know, we got so we get a split delegation.
So you have to give Colorado some credit for recognizing that.
Oh and particularly in a state where it's generally speaking
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a third Democrat, third Republican, a third unaffiliated. So they
they didn't do what Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New Mexico New Hampshire,
Rhode Island, verm Mont, Hawaiian, and Delaware did. But then
let's think about those states, for example, Illinois, where you
have blue states where the Republicans are well, it's a
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good adjective here, where they are horrifically underrepresented in their
congressional delegations. And I mentioned Illinois. Let's do it before
I do California. In Illinois, forty four percent, so close
to half of voters in Illinois a Republican. So out
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of seventeen seats, how many are Republican Three that's about
seventeen and a half percent, so forty four percent Republican
vote voters. But you barely have seventeen and a half
percent of the seats California thirty eight percent republican. They
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only have nine out of fifty two seats. Now, before
I go into the others, why is that again, it's
because of jerrymandering. It's because Democrats are one counting illegal
aliens and two violating the Voting Rights Act by then
jerry mandering and making certain that Republicans don't get representation,
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or if they do, it's minimal. How can Illinois We'll see,
here's this One's even worse, although percentage wise it's slightly better.
New Jersey forty six percent Republican voters about as close
to half as you can get. Yet, out of twelve
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congressional seats, only three are Republican. That's about twenty five percent,
but still an underrepresentation. So I guess the truth I'd
like to point out is had the Voting Rights Act
provisions been applied to ensure congressional delegations actually reflect the
makeup of every state's populations and their political affiliations, the
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Democrats would probably have at least thirty fewer seats in
the House than they currently hold. Let me repeat that again.
If the Voting Right Acts provisions had been applied to
ensure that congressional delegations reflect the political makeup of the
of those states populations, the Democrats would have at least
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thirty fewer seats than they currently hold. That reality is
an undeniable truth is and that's why we see despicable
Democrats like Lord Ass, which is a great phrase. Yes,
I should have used that to begin with. That's why
Lord Ass, Pritzker and all of their minions in the
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cabal are in such a frenzy over what's taking place
in Texas right now, because they fully understand the reality
that if Red states start playing the gerrymanderin game the
way the Blue states have played it for sixty years now,
the Democrat Party will become a permanent minority party in Congress.
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Now let me, because I got time here, let me
weave into what Dragon asked me. He said, when you
were doing your research, did you look at how many
states have all Republican representation and don't have any Democrat states?
So I thought, oh, no, I didn't, And I said,
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let me guess, And I said, the reason I didn't
do it is because I'm focusing on the jerrymanderin that's
taking place here, because it's so atrocious. When you have
forty four, forty six, forty eight percent of your voters
of one party but they have zero representation, then wouldn't
you assume that you would have the same skewed percentages
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in the red states. The only one that I can
find that comes even close is Iowa. So I'm going
to tell you the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
twelve states I found that have the Democrat percent This
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is the Democrat percent of voters and their recent vote share.
So let's just go to Oklahoma. Oklahoma is all seventy
seven counties voted for Donald Trump. All seventy seven counties
in Oklahoma are predominant Republican. Now, is that because of
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jerry mandering? Probably not. Do you know why? Because the
percent of Democrats that are registered Democrats, the percentage of
voters that are registered Democrat is only twenty eight percent,
not anywhere near the forty percent, not even close, barely
over a fourth. So it would take an incredible effort
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at jerry mandering to give Oklahoma a Democrat seat. Arkansas
thirty three percent Democrat, Iowa forty two percent Democrat. This
is all based on twenty twenty four presidential votes. Utah
thirty seven, Nebraska twenty eight percent, Idaho thirty Montana thirty eight,
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West Virginia twenty nine percent, Alaska twenty nine percent, North
Dakota barely thirty percent, South Dakota thirty five, Wyoming barely
twenty six percent. Now that's a that's a mix of
official voter registration stats and the percentage of votes the
Democrat candidate received in the most recent presidential election depending
on the reporting policies of every state. So what's really
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at stake here are two things, which is why the
Texas case is important. You have an admission by the
Census in essence, the Department of Commerce, which houses the
Census Bureau, that their post enumeration survey admits that they
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undercounted in those states. They undercounted in New York, Illinois,
Rhode Island, they overcounted in those other states, and so
they have skewed. And that change accounts for probably thirty
extra Democrat congressional seats that were gained by the combination
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of the undercounting of Republicans, the overcounting of illegal or
just the counting i should say of illegal aliens, and
then putting that in a pot and jerry mandering it
so that you have zero Republican representation. Jerry Mandering is
the issue. What Texas is trying to do is not
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jerry mander, but actually take the additional population that was undercounted,
draw the lines. And in fact, you cannot claim that
Texas is trying to is violating the Voting Rights Act
because they have some predominant Hispanic Latino and some predominant
black Dey streaks in their new map. And that's what
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Democrats are running away from. Oh, they're running away from fairness.
They're running away from the Voting Rights Act, They're voting,
they're running away from Oh, every vote count. Every time
you hear a Democrat has spouse, every vote count, you
need to think about what's going on in Texas.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
Michael, I love you like a brother, but please stop
saying skewered when you mean skewed. You skew results, not
skewer them unless you're trying to put a stick through
them and cook them on a grill. Brother, Have a good.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Day, not even where I'm doing it. That made me
think of Bob's. Bob's, Yeah, Tobob's. How bad is the
Illinois map jerry mander? The map gone in twenty twenty
one by they It's drawn by the Democrat controlled state legislature.
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They have some sort of commission that helps draw the maps.
It received an F from the Princeton Gerrymandering Project in
every key category partisan fairness, competitiveness, and geographic compactness. The
Princeton Group report pointed out that the districts lacked compactness
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and if you look at them. You'll see they're not
compact at all. As what I forget who it was
that described it, the southernmost district looks like a scorpion
taiale that goes kind of way up and over in
a circular almost from the western border of the state
over to the eastern border of the state, with a
big hunk in the middle that's not even a part
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of that southern part of the district. The Princeton Group
highlighted that they split counties excessively. You know, one thing
you should not do is split a county. If you
can avoid that counties. You know, think about a congressman
you know you live in Just say, you know, Douglas County,
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you live in city County of Denver, and you've got
two different congressmen, and it just it doesn't make sense.
You should try to avoid that. And of course, the
Princeton Project points out that they were drawn to maximize
Democrat advantage, and that results in that fourteen to three
Democrats split out of seventeen congressional districts, even though Illinois
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is not nearly as lopsided democratic statewide. The thirteenth district
is the one that's often cited as the most egregious
jury manders in the entire country. It stretches across disparate
Democrat communities, connects part of East Saint Louis, Springfield, Urbana, Champagne.
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It splits six different counties, It splits some cities, and
it purposefully combines Democrat leaning pockets to create a district
that's going to be safe for the Democrat party and
then dilutes the Republican votes elsewhere. Some analysis shows the
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map was engineered to waste Republican votes by packing as
many as possible into a few overwhelmingly Republican districts, while
giving Democrats small but safe majorities in all the others.
Now While some Southern states face criticism for Republican gerrymandering,
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Illinois stands out as a Northern Democrat driven counterpart, shameless
in its attempt to remove choice from voters, even according
to in state political leaders. And of course, every and
continuing they get involve in legal litigation, legal they get
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involved in litigation because of these battles over it. Despite
all the calls for reform, they never do and why
would you. The challenges get brushed aside because frankly, federal
judges get tired of this stuff, and they can always
point to a commission that it's overseeing it, and you
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know it's and and it is. It is the one
thing we should never forget. Unless you can show directly
a violation of the Voting Rights Act, this is a
political process. Never forget that drawing congressional districts is a
political process. It doesn't mean you should abandon fairness. It
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doesn't mean you should violate the Voting Rights Act. But
what Texas is doing is starting the process of eliminating
this lopsidedness. Thirty some seats they could potentially be Republican.
That's you
Mike, are you saying that we got our extra congressman
in Colorado the same way that we got our extra
senator by accident our extra senator. I'm not sure what
you mean by our extra we only.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Have two senators.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
What did you were talking earlier about opened up a
new house or something.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Because of all of the distortion from the other states,
the under county in those the under county in Texas, Florida,
and Tennessee, and then the over county in California, New
York and Rhode Island that secured things such that we
ended up with an extra seat. Had to go somewhere.
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Yeh well, probably should have gone to Texas or Florida
or Tennessee, but no went went to Colorado. So, building
on last hour about the historical background, the political background,
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the constitutional background of apportionment, census counting, all of that,
let's start this hour with something that you probably thought
you would never hear. The Democrat propaganda hack Kristen Welker,
who happens to be the hostess of NBC's Meet the
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Press or Rush used to call them to Meet the depressed,
actually posing a tough question to a Democrat on the
question of redistricting. It happened to be that whale that
beached whale. Governor Pritzker of Illinois on purpose goes like this.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Major group that grades the fairness of congressional maps gives
your state an f Common Cause and nonpartisan government watchdog
even says your map, and I'm going to quote represents
a nearly perfect model for everything that can go wrong
with redistracting. And I guess the question is, you talk
about preserving democracy, How do you preserve democracy if you're
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using the same tactics that you've criticized Texas Republicans for.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
But as I say, what they're talking about is a distraction.
The reality is that the violation of people's voting rights
is what Texas is attempting to do.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's what's wrong with their efforts right now.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
And the fact that the President of the United States
knows it and nevertheless is asking them to do it,
that is what's wrong with what we're seeing right now.
Democracy is at state now. I had something to say,
but my dumbass producer back.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
There, barely awake, barely paying attention.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Paying attention, has his own interpretation of what that SoundBite is.
Let me see if I get it right.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They're doing it the wrong way and we're doing it
the right way.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I'd say that's pretty much on point.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Every major group that grades the fairness of congressional maps
gives your state an s common Cause and nonpartisan government watchdog.
He even says your map, and I'm going to quote,
represents a nearly perfect model for everything that can go
wrong with redistracting. And I guess the question is you
talk about preserving democracy, How do you preserve democracy if
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you're using the same tactics that you've criticized Texas Republicans for.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Neils really great about that question, is she? Now? I'm
sure she believes that Texas is also a threat to
democracy for what they're doing, but she doesn't phrase the
question that way. This is an astonishingly good question. Every
major group that grades the fairness of congressional maps gives
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your state an F common Cause, which is a highly partisan.
Now she says nonpartisan, but it's a highly partisan left
wing group common Cause, common Cause, a nonpartisan government watch dog,
even says your map and I'm gonna quote represents a
nearly perfect model for everything that can go wrong with redistricting.
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And I guess the question is you talk about preserving democracy,
How do you preserve democracy if you are using the
same tactics that you've criticized Texas for. She actually says,
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regardless of what she believes, and I certainly believes that
she is opposed to what Texas is doing, but she
asks a very legitimate question, to which the fat Bassaard replies.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
But as I say, what they're talking about is a distraction.
The reality is that the violation of people's voting rights
is what Texas is attempting to do.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
That's what's wrong with their efforts right now.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
And the fact that the President of the United States
knows it and nevertheless is asking them to do it,
that is what's wrong with what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Democracy is at stay.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Is at stake. Kind of stunning, isn't it now. I
wanted to start with that clip because it is so
perfectly encapsulates the entire debate over what Texas is doing
right now on redistricting in terms of the strategy and
(05:45):
the Democrat or the cabal. I shouldn't just say democrats.
The kabal's mendacity that is involved in this entire issue.
And many of you think that what Texas is doing
is wrong. I for the life of me, the only
thing I can understand about why you may think it's
(06:07):
wrong is because it's well, it's playing the same game
that the Democrats play. It's doing something that is constitutionally permissible,
doing a reapportionment in the middle of between census. There's
nothing that prohibits that Trump wants to go further. He
wants to exclude illegal aliens, and I don't understand why
(06:32):
that is somehow, as he says, where's his answer again?
The reality is that the violation of people's voting rights
is what Texas attempt is attempting to do. So, for
those of you who think that Texas is trying to
violate people's voting rights, can you please explain to me
(06:53):
send me a text message right now. Explain to me
what voting right an illegal alien has in this country.
If I sneak into Croatia, random country. If I sneak
into Croatia and then I go try to vote in
a Croatian election, what right do I have to do that.
(07:15):
I have zero right whatsoever. In fact, I'd probably be
imprisoned if I did it in Croatia, certainly be fined
or you know, have some sort of criminal punishment. But
this is stunning, truly stunning. Democracy is at stake. No, Actually,
let's play with the word democracy for a moment. Democracy
(07:36):
is actually what we're trying to protect here. It's representative democracy,
but that's the word they use as democracy. We're actually
trying to preserve democracy here because Texas has said, wait
a minute, we were undercounted, and so we want to
redraw our lines in accordance with what the actual population
is and exclude those illegal aliens. Are you aware that
(07:58):
in Texas there will be some predominant Hispanic districts, there
will be some predominant Black districts, and somehow what Texas
is doing. Democracy's a state. So let's take this point
by point. First, let's go to Christian Walker Welker herself.
(08:23):
She's one of the worst propaganda hacks working on television today,
although it might be a close race with Margaret Brennan
of CBS's Face in the Nation, which I am to
be watching yesterday. Prefacing her question to Illinois Governor jb
Aka Fatbaster Pritzker by referring to the far less left
activist group Common Cause as nonpartisan. So that's a great
(08:47):
example of the prevailing habit in the media that even
imposing a decently tough question to a Democrat, it's got
to be prefaced with some kind of nod to some
Democrat trope or another. And in this case nonpartisanship. Why
common Cause, one of the most partisan outfits in the
country as non partisan, But let's give her some credit.
(09:11):
She does get to the actual point, which is that
Prisker's government sanctioned a congressional map in twenty twenty that
is the most heinous examples of hyperpartisan race based jerrymandering
in the entire country. Craigon, did we put we give
we put this map up on the web on the
website one time?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yes, And I also have this video posted that Michael says,
go here.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay, all right, good. When you look at the map
and you realize just how these districts are drawn, it
is a pu atrocity to the concept of a free
and fair election. And even the partisan outfit Common Cause
(09:55):
was forced to admit that. Yet here's JB. Pritskier, governor
of Illinois, who's become the leading Democrat voice on the
opposition to what Texas is trying to do, claiming that
Texas is trying to do and something similar to what
he's doing and has done. And of course Prischker's answer
to Welker's pointed question is a classic Democrat you know,
(10:21):
classic Clinton dodge. He doesn't address the question. Gl Do
you notice that he simply bridges his answers to a
prepared talking point that his staff gave him before he
went on to meet the press. That is what the
Republicans are talking about is a distraction from the real point, which,
in Pritzker's mind is what Democrats refer to as voting rights.
(10:43):
Voting rights. Have you ever stopped and thought about if
you believe what Texas is doing is wrong, are you
buying into the idea that Texas is somehow violating voting rights?
Because interestingly, I see what Texas is doing as trying
(11:03):
to protect voting rights. Now, whether it's intended or not,
that phrase voting rights really does get to the true
motivation of the Democrats in all of this controversy. That's
the case because everything in play in Texas and their
redistricting effort is a response to the Democrat parties over
(11:29):
sixty year history of rancid abuse of the nineteen sixty
five Voting Rights Act. You know what's ironic about the
nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act is that law was
signed into That legislation was signed into law by a Texas,
(11:49):
a Texan president, Lyndon Johnson, who, of course is revered
among the ends. Justify the means Democrats was a response
to Jim Crow laws, all of which were written and
imposed by Democrats who were seeking to deny Black Americans
(12:10):
their right to vote through tactics like poll taxes, literacy requirements,
all these election day intimidation tactics that the Democrats engaged
in kind of ironic, isn't it now? Throughout the debate
over that law, the Voting Rights Act in nineteen sixty five,
(12:31):
Lyndon Johnson and all of his line fellow Democrats promised
repeatedly that the voting's right the Voting Rights Act would
never be used to engage in race based congressional redistricting
efforts or any other tactics that would effectively render the
(12:51):
votes of segments of US society meaningless. Blacks and Latinos
come to mind. What's the very first thing that the
line Democrats set off to do following the passage of
the nineteen sixty five Voting Rights Act, Well, let's engage in,
Democrats said, Let's engage in race based read districting and
(13:14):
other efforts to ensure that only Democrats would ever be
able to win Democrats win elections in the future. And
ever since nineteen sixty five, the Voting Rights Act has
served as the main justification for the drawing of those
insane jerry mander congressional and legislative district lines like those
(13:34):
seen in that map of Illinois. And isn't it interesting
that it's the Voting Rights Act that they use to
go out and actually do exactly the opposite of what
the Voting Rights Act says it's supposed to do by
engaging in race based districting. Democrats all these lie and
(14:02):
whatever they say about trying to protect democracy, which is
bull crap to begin with, They actually kind of would
like democracy because they could control and all they need
is a one vote margin and they win everything. You know,
among the lies that were told by Lyndon Johnson all
(14:23):
the other Democrats during the debate or the Voting Rights Act.
And I know you've heard this that the Voting Rights
Act was designed to ensure that every vote count. How
many times have you heard Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
(14:46):
Bill Clinton, al Gore? Everybody. Every vote's got account, Every
vote has to count. That's what we're doing here. Every
vote must count. Hmm. If it was designed to ensure
everybody's vote counts, the makeup of state congressional delegations would
(15:09):
henceforth reflect the makeup of the overall population. In fact, however,
the Democrats have abused that law to ensure that the
votes of great, wide swaths of Americans actually don't count
at all. You want proof, because many of you right
now are who are kind of one tired of this
(15:31):
issue to think that what Texas is doing is wrong.
Let me give you the examples. I touched a little
bit of this on Friday. I've got more examples. Now.
I want you to think about a list of blue
states who have jerry mandered so well that no Republican
vote counts at all in congressional races, and in fact,
(15:55):
they don't count at all in the electoral College vote count.
In no particular order, Massachusetts is thirty six Republican. Thirty
six percent Republican voters in Massachusetts, they have zero congressional seats.
(16:16):
I did not dive into the legislative districts there are.
I just voted. I just consentrat on the congressional districts. Connecticut.
Forty two percent of voters in Connecticut are Republican. Connecticut
has zero Republican House seats. Maine six forty six percent,
(16:37):
Republican zero seats. New Mexico forty six percent, Republican zero,
Republican zero congressional seats. New Hampshire forty eight percent, almost
half zero percent Republican seats Rhode Island forty two percent.
You know zero, Vermont thirty two percent, you know zero,
(16:58):
Hawaii thirty eight percent, you know zero, Delaware forty two
Republican zero. But let's don't stop there, because you have
another group of bluestate for the Republican Party and Republican voters.
Republican voters they were talking about the voting rights that
(17:18):
all votes must count, is horrendously underrepresented in their congressional delegation.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Those are next, hey, Michael.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
In twenty twenty, Judicial Watch found that of the sixty
counties they reviewed, thirty nine of them in Colorado had
mailed out more ballots.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Than there were registered voters. This Jenna Griswold is bad
news and she needs to be impeached and thrown out
of office.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yes, yes, and yes. Is it going to happen? No? No,
and no? And why? Because one the Colorado House Representatives
is controlled by Democrats. They ain't going to do it
even if they were to do it. The Colorado Senate
is controlled by Democrats, and they ain't going to do it.
(18:12):
So it's not going to happen. That's the real world
that I live in. There's there's something that may carry
this topic over a little bit because my damn producer
asked me a question welcome, and then I had to
go look it up. But before I even delve into
what he asked me, I want to emphasize something that
(18:33):
I want to make absolutely certain you understand about those
percentages that I just gave you. How does for example,
Massachusetts have more than the third of their voters are Republican. No,
let's take New Hampshire. I didn't many difference. You can't
(18:54):
take any of them. New Mexico forty six percent. All
these states that have this high percentage of Republican voters
within the states, But there are zero Republican congressman. How
can that be jerry mandarin which is the whole point
(19:15):
about Illinois. Illinois jerry manders their districts to minimize the
number of Republicans they could ever get elected from Illinois. Colorado,
Colorado is a great example of that. You know, the
old Mike Kaufman district used to be a very competitive district.
(19:38):
But the Colorado Democrats, when they realized we were going
to get an extra seat, they could have tried to
jerry mander it to prevent and I'm not trying to
give them any credit here. They could have tried to
jerry mander it such to maintain a all Democrat congressional delegation.
But they knew that they probably wouldn't pass judicial review.
(20:00):
So what do they do. They figured out a way
to give Republicans a fairly safe seat. So we got it,
you know, we got so we get a split delegation.
So you have to give Colorado some credit for recognizing that.
Oh and particularly in a state where it's generally speaking
(20:23):
a third Democrat, third Republican, a third unaffiliated. So they
they didn't do what Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New Mexico New Hampshire,
Rhode Island, verm Mont, Hawaiian, and Delaware did. But then
let's think about those states, for example, Illinois, where you
have blue states where the Republicans are well, it's a
(20:49):
good adjective here, where they are horrifically underrepresented in their
congressional delegations. And I mentioned Illinois. Let's do it before
I do California. In Illinois, forty four percent, so close
to half of voters in Illinois a Republican. So out
(21:09):
of seventeen seats, how many are Republican Three that's about
seventeen and a half percent, so forty four percent Republican
vote voters. But you barely have seventeen and a half
percent of the seats California thirty eight percent republican. They
(21:34):
only have nine out of fifty two seats. Now, before
I go into the others, why is that again, it's
because of jerrymandering. It's because Democrats are one counting illegal
aliens and two violating the Voting Rights Act by then
jerry mandering and making certain that Republicans don't get representation,
(21:55):
or if they do, it's minimal. How can Illinois We'll see,
here's this One's even worse, although percentage wise it's slightly better.
New Jersey forty six percent Republican voters about as close
to half as you can get. Yet, out of twelve
(22:16):
congressional seats, only three are Republican. That's about twenty five percent,
but still an underrepresentation. So I guess the truth I'd
like to point out is had the Voting Rights Act
provisions been applied to ensure congressional delegations actually reflect the
makeup of every state's populations and their political affiliations, the
(22:39):
Democrats would probably have at least thirty fewer seats in
the House than they currently hold. Let me repeat that again.
If the Voting Right Acts provisions had been applied to
ensure that congressional delegations reflect the political makeup of the
of those states populations, the Democrats would have at least
(23:00):
thirty fewer seats than they currently hold. That reality is
an undeniable truth is and that's why we see despicable
Democrats like Lord Ass, which is a great phrase. Yes,
I should have used that to begin with. That's why
Lord Ass, Pritzker and all of their minions in the
(23:24):
cabal are in such a frenzy over what's taking place
in Texas right now, because they fully understand the reality
that if Red states start playing the gerrymanderin game the
way the Blue states have played it for sixty years now,
the Democrat Party will become a permanent minority party in Congress.
(23:44):
Now let me, because I got time here, let me
weave into what Dragon asked me. He said, when you
were doing your research, did you look at how many
states have all Republican representation and don't have any Democrat states?
So I thought, oh, no, I didn't, And I said,
(24:06):
let me guess, And I said, the reason I didn't
do it is because I'm focusing on the jerrymanderin that's
taking place here, because it's so atrocious. When you have
forty four, forty six, forty eight percent of your voters
of one party but they have zero representation, then wouldn't
you assume that you would have the same skewed percentages
(24:30):
in the red states. The only one that I can
find that comes even close is Iowa. So I'm going
to tell you the one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,
twelve states I found that have the Democrat percent This
(24:56):
is the Democrat percent of voters and their recent vote share.
So let's just go to Oklahoma. Oklahoma is all seventy
seven counties voted for Donald Trump. All seventy seven counties
in Oklahoma are predominant Republican. Now, is that because of
(25:19):
jerry mandering? Probably not. Do you know why? Because the
percent of Democrats that are registered Democrats, the percentage of
voters that are registered Democrat is only twenty eight percent,
not anywhere near the forty percent, not even close, barely
over a fourth. So it would take an incredible effort
(25:42):
at jerry mandering to give Oklahoma a Democrat seat. Arkansas
thirty three percent Democrat, Iowa forty two percent Democrat. This
is all based on twenty twenty four presidential votes. Utah
thirty seven, Nebraska twenty eight percent, Idaho thirty Montana thirty eight,
(26:04):
West Virginia twenty nine percent, Alaska twenty nine percent, North
Dakota barely thirty percent, South Dakota thirty five, Wyoming barely
twenty six percent. Now that's a that's a mix of
official voter registration stats and the percentage of votes the
Democrat candidate received in the most recent presidential election depending
on the reporting policies of every state. So what's really
(26:29):
at stake here are two things, which is why the
Texas case is important. You have an admission by the
Census in essence, the Department of Commerce, which houses the
Census Bureau, that their post enumeration survey admits that they
(26:50):
undercounted in those states. They undercounted in New York, Illinois,
Rhode Island, they overcounted in those other states, and so
they have skewed. And that change accounts for probably thirty
extra Democrat congressional seats that were gained by the combination
(27:17):
of the undercounting of Republicans, the overcounting of illegal or
just the counting i should say of illegal aliens, and
then putting that in a pot and jerry mandering it
so that you have zero Republican representation. Jerry Mandering is
the issue. What Texas is trying to do is not
(27:41):
jerry mander, but actually take the additional population that was undercounted,
draw the lines. And in fact, you cannot claim that
Texas is trying to is violating the Voting Rights Act
because they have some predominant Hispanic Latino and some predominant
black Dey streaks in their new map. And that's what
(28:03):
Democrats are running away from. Oh, they're running away from fairness.
They're running away from the Voting Rights Act, They're voting,
they're running away from Oh, every vote count. Every time
you hear a Democrat has spouse, every vote count, you
need to think about what's going on in Texas.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
Michael, I love you like a brother, but please stop
saying skewered when you mean skewed. You skew results, not
skewer them unless you're trying to put a stick through
them and cook them on a grill. Brother, Have a good.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Day, not even where I'm doing it. That made me
think of Bob's. Bob's, Yeah, Tobob's. How bad is the
Illinois map jerry mander? The map gone in twenty twenty
one by they It's drawn by the Democrat controlled state legislature.
(29:05):
They have some sort of commission that helps draw the maps.
It received an F from the Princeton Gerrymandering Project in
every key category partisan fairness, competitiveness, and geographic compactness. The
Princeton Group report pointed out that the districts lacked compactness
(29:28):
and if you look at them. You'll see they're not
compact at all. As what I forget who it was
that described it, the southernmost district looks like a scorpion
taiale that goes kind of way up and over in
a circular almost from the western border of the state
over to the eastern border of the state, with a
big hunk in the middle that's not even a part
(29:49):
of that southern part of the district. The Princeton Group
highlighted that they split counties excessively. You know, one thing
you should not do is split a county. If you
can avoid that counties. You know, think about a congressman
you know you live in Just say, you know, Douglas County,
(30:12):
you live in city County of Denver, and you've got
two different congressmen, and it just it doesn't make sense.
You should try to avoid that. And of course, the
Princeton Project points out that they were drawn to maximize
Democrat advantage, and that results in that fourteen to three
Democrats split out of seventeen congressional districts, even though Illinois
(30:36):
is not nearly as lopsided democratic statewide. The thirteenth district
is the one that's often cited as the most egregious
jury manders in the entire country. It stretches across disparate
Democrat communities, connects part of East Saint Louis, Springfield, Urbana, Champagne.
(31:01):
It splits six different counties, It splits some cities, and
it purposefully combines Democrat leaning pockets to create a district
that's going to be safe for the Democrat party and
then dilutes the Republican votes elsewhere. Some analysis shows the
(31:23):
map was engineered to waste Republican votes by packing as
many as possible into a few overwhelmingly Republican districts, while
giving Democrats small but safe majorities in all the others.
Now While some Southern states face criticism for Republican gerrymandering,
(31:43):
Illinois stands out as a Northern Democrat driven counterpart, shameless
in its attempt to remove choice from voters, even according
to in state political leaders. And of course, every and
continuing they get involve in legal litigation, legal they get
(32:05):
involved in litigation because of these battles over it. Despite
all the calls for reform, they never do and why
would you. The challenges get brushed aside because frankly, federal
judges get tired of this stuff, and they can always
point to a commission that it's overseeing it, and you
(32:27):
know it's and and it is. It is the one
thing we should never forget. Unless you can show directly
a violation of the Voting Rights Act, this is a
political process. Never forget that drawing congressional districts is a
political process. It doesn't mean you should abandon fairness. It
(32:48):
doesn't mean you should violate the Voting Rights Act. But
what Texas is doing is starting the process of eliminating
this lopsidedness. Thirty some seats they could potentially be Republican.
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