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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Similar to some of the things you've talked about, Michael.
I agree with Molly Hemingway that it is so astounding
the degree that our national media is cheering against our
president in a summit with a foreign leader.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Just sick.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Chi Jing Ping is early involved in what Ken legally,
morally and rightfully described as genocide against Mongolians, Wigers, and frankly,
to some degree, his own people. The Chinese Communist Party
is a horrific, a horrific stain in civilization. What does
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Gavin Newsom do when Jijing Ping shows up in San Francisco,
sweeps the streets, cleans them up. Trump rolls out the
red carpet, and my god, you would think it was
the end of civilization. I cannot believe that he actually
did that. Going back to Fiona hill on Face.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
The Nation as Alaska wrong one.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
You know, the president has a team of advisors around him,
and in a traditional administration, those advisors will be wingmen.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And in a traditional administration, oh, you mean an administration
that you approve of a Democrat administration, So that's a
traditional Uh. See how subtle they are with their language. Now,
I know that you would never fall prey to that
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but you listen to this program, you are critical thinker.
You're a critical thinker. You actually think through and consider
all of the different aspects of an issue. No, we
all may fall to one degree or another on a
particular point about an issue, but we recognize that there
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are all these other points about any particular issue. There
are way too many people, way too many people in
this country. I know I use the phrase stupid people
probably too much, but there really are a lot of
stupid people in this country, poorly educated. Despite attending, you know,
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supposedly the greatest education system in the world, and having
access to the likes of some of the best higher
education in the world, we still are really stupid people.
And that right there is an example of how stupid
we are. In a traditional administration.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
You know, the president has a team of advisors around him,
and in a traditional administration, those advisors will be setting
the policy, they would be planning the optics, and they
would be thinking through that. Do you think that the
president's team set him up for success?
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Here?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What what does that have to do with setting him
up for success? Optics? You know, doing pre negotiations, pre meetings,
to the pre meetings, to the pre meetings. What does
that have to do with this? I sometimes think they
just spew out things without even thinking about it.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Well, okay, it may well have been that one of
the demands, because we've heard from Second Rubio, which I
have to say I think was a very fair assessment
of where things are.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
So it may want to.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Be did she actually say that Rubio gave a very
thorough assessment of where we are? See why I wanted
to work these sound bites backwards, because if I started
with Rubio, you wouldn't have the perspective that, oh, at
least the only Hill recognizes that, oh, Rubio kind of
handed you at Margaret.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Being that one of the demands by the Russians to
make any progress in moving further forward was to actually
have that kind of show of pomp and pageantry that
basically marks Potent's re entry into international affairs. Maybe the
Russians said to them in Moscow, either to Steve Witkoff
or to Secretary Rubio or to anybody else that basically
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they wanted to have a major US Russia bilateral summit's
appearance before they would move on to the nitty gritty
of anything else in Ukraine. That's you know, to give
them them all the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
There I find this curiously an overwrought point being made.
Any time I go back to Shijing Ping he comes
to the United States, San Francisco rolls out the red carpet.
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Any foreign leader that comes to this country. The President.
While he may not go out to Joint Bass Andrews
to greet the whatever president of X y Z country
shows up there may or may not be a red carpet,
doesn't make any difference. But there will be a red
carpet at the White House. That President's limousine will pull
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up to the South portico and the President will be
standing there waiting to greet them. Now, why should he
not treat Vladimir put in the same way. If you
want to have a conversation with somebody, if you want
to be able to persuade someone, if you want to
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have legitimate back and forth negotiations, to really have brokeer
discussions about how do we move from this point to
that point or any end point, any point in between.
Would you turn your back on them and just say, hey,
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land your plane and we'll send a Willis jeep out,
you know, and uncovered willis jeep out there driven by
you know, go or pile to pick you up and
drive you to the meeting. Are you gonna do that?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I think between the White House Officer Protocol, Donald Trump himself,
who is a showman, and the understanding that, you know what,
let's do show this guy exactly that we will show
him respect. As much as we may dislike him or
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what he's doing or think that what he's doing is
is a war crime, Let's show him respect so that
we can sit down and start from Because he is
the president of his country. He is a dictator and
I'll probably say it a thousand times today he is
associatepath and a psychopath. But nonetheless that doesn't mean you
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can't treat him with the respect that he's due for
the dictatorship office that he holds.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
It.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Just but this is so insanely immature.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
But it all now depends on what comes out of this,
and I think again, Secretary Rubia made it very clear
that it's not going to be easy. He was certainly
downplaying any expectations of a major breakthrough, but he did
say that there was something.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
That might be possible.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I think that's what's going to be the proof of
whether this was actually worth all the effort that they
went to in Alaska or not.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I think it was. Do you know why? And I'll
get to this in just a minute. We have more
people coming. We have more of the NATO EU leaders
coming than I thought as of when I went to
bed last night, I thought, okay, we'll have Starmer and
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mccron and obviously Zelenski. Now I thought that was about
And what's her name, Ursula? Whatever she is from. Never
can't remember her last name from the EU. Well, we
have additional names. I'll give you those in a minute.
That end of itself is an accomplishment, and that is
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a result of that meeting. Now let's think about the
pageantry or the staging, average whatever word you want to
use of that meeting. I thought it was brilliant, utterly brilliant.
Do you pay attention to the details. It was not
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lost on Putin that as he is walking to they
didn't walk to meet each other. Putin walked to Trump.
That's a sign of strength, that shows the top dog here,
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You're going to come to me. And that's not a
matter of protocol because in the in the eyes of diplomacy,
they're equals. They're both presidents of their countries. So you
had Putin walking on a narrow red carpet to a
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wider red carpet, obviously to accommodate the two of them
walking versus the one of them walking, but nonetheless walking
to Trump, that's a sign of power. Then the flyover
of the B two and the bombers that had the
intended effect. Do you know how I know that Putin
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is smart enough? This guy Putin, he may be a sociopath,
he may be a psychopath. I never said he was stupid.
You know, you think about some serial killers, and you
could claim that Putin is a serial killer. They're not stupid.
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They're actually quite brilliant. They're they're genius in some ways.
Still sociopaths, still psychopaths, still mass murder serial, serial murderers,
but they're not stupid. Putin, when he heard the B
two and the fighters fly overhead, he made a mistake.
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He looked up. Hmm, that was the intended effect. See
the strength of America as we walk between the other
fighters positioned facing them, so as you're walking into the building,
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you're looking at those fighter jets staring at you. That
is a sign of America power, American strength. It was
staged perfectly. I would bet you a dollar to a
doughnut that Trump had some input into that. Now let's
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go to Marco, because the exchange between Rubio and Margaret
Brennan shows you several things. The cabal is determined to
present this as a failure. The cabal clearly, either willfully
or inadvertently, does not understand diplomacy. And Thirdy didn't make
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any difference what Marco said. She had her talking points
and she was going to stick to them. Here we go.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Good morning to you, mister secretary.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Good morning, thank you.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Vladimir Putin did not sound happy to be there.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean, I'm sure he's physically. I'm sure he's exhausted,
but he didn't sound happy at all, did he.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Good morning to you, mister secretary, Good morning, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Vladimir Putin did not give President Trump the ceasefire he sought.
And now Putin says the root causes of the conflict
have to be resolved in a peace agreement. Isn't the
root cause the fact that Russia invaded in the first
place so ignorant?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
The root causes go well beyond and prior to the invasion.
Many of the root causes not all, but some of
the root causes are in this country. Barack Obama and
Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Well, ultimately yeah, But I mean what he means by
root causes is his long historical complaints that we've heard repeatedly.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
This is not a new argument.
Speaker 8 (12:52):
He's been making this for a long time, and it's
the argument that it's Western encroachment.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
I don't want to get in touch just so long.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
But the bottom line is that all of you know,
we're not going to focus on all of that stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
We're going to focus on this. Are they going to
stop fighting or not?
Speaker 8 (13:04):
And what it's going to take to stop the fighting,
and what it's going to take to stop the fighting.
If we're being honest and serious here is both sides
are going to have to give, and both sides should
expect to get something from this.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
And that's a very difficult thing to do.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
It's very difficult because Ukraine obviously feels harmed, and rightfully so,
because they were invaded, and the Russian side, because they
feel like they've got momentum in the battlefield and frankly
don't care, don't seem to care very much about how
many Russian soldiers die in this endeavor.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
They just turned through it.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
So I think what the President deserves a lot of
credit for is the amount of time and energy that
his administration is placing on reaching a piecer gaement for
a war that's not a war that started under him.
It's half you know, it's on the other side of
the world. That said, I mean, it's relevant to us,
but there are a lot of other issues you can
be focused on. So tomorrow will be meeting with President Zelenski,
will be meeting with European leaders.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
We just met with Putin.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
He's dedicated a lot of time and energy because he
has made it a priority of his administration to stop
or end war, stop wars or prevent them. And right
now this is the biggest war going on in the world.
It's the biggest war in Europe since World War Two.
We're going to continue to do everything we can to
reach an agreement that ends the dying and the killing
and the suffering that's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Pure brilliants. Yes, both sides are going to have to
gain something, both sides are going to have to lose something,
and that's not easy. But that's the only way you're
going to get this stopped. What's not said yet, But
what's not said is if you want to somehow just
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defeat Putin, that's going to involve more than the American public,
or frankly, I think more than even NATO's willing to do.
Do you think NATO really wants their troops on the ground. No,
No more than leave went our troops on the ground.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
But I mean, you know this well, how long these
kind of diplomatic negotiations often take. President Trump was telling
European leaders.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
What was discussed was.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Putin demanding control of Dnesque, a region in the east
that his forces do not fully hold, and the UK
estimates that taking that full area could be as long
as another four years.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Putin also is demanding.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Russian be an official language in Ukraine and something regarding
Russian Orthodox churches. Did the US accept all of what
Putin laid out at that table?
Speaker 8 (15:27):
The United States is not in a position to accept
anything or reject anything, because ultimately it's up to the Ukrainians.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
They're the ones that Russia has to.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
Make peaceless, said he It's up to the Ukrainians to
make these conditions well, the agreements were that we were
going to try to do things like, for example, get
a leader a leader's meeting. We have to make enough
progress so that we can sit down President Zelensky and
President Putin in the same place, which is what President
Zelensky has been asking for, and reach a final agreement that.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Ends this war.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
Now, there were some concepts and ideas discussed that we
know the Ukrainians can be very supportive of in that meeting.
I don't think it's I'm not going to negotiate this
in the media. I understand that everybody wants to know
what happened. But ultimately, there are things that we're discussed
as part of this meeting that are potentials for breakthroughs,
that are potentials for progress. We'll be discussing that more
in depth tomorrow with our European allies, with the Ukrainians
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that are coming over. We'll be discussing all of these
things because ultimately we do need to find areas where
we're making progress and try to begin to narrow the
gap between the two sides. But there's a reason why
this war has been going on for three and a
half years, and that is when it comes to the
big issues here. There are still some big differences between
both sides.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Let's see how.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Much progress we can continue to make. It's not been easy,
but it's something that President's made a priority peace and
he deserves a lot of credit for that.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
If Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land that
he has not seized yet but negotiates his way into,
doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States
now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize
land by force.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Well, Putin's already sees land by force, and that in
and of itself is not a positive precedent this whole war.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Are you demanding withdrawal precedent?
Speaker 8 (17:08):
Well, again, here's the in order to have a deal
here to in to reach the end of this conflict,
both sides.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Are going to have to make concessions.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
That's any negotiation the Russian force, No, no.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
But if. But this is not about accepted.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
This is about what Ukraine can accept and what Russia
can accept.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
They both have to accept it otherwise it won't be
a They.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Both have to You can put throughout all the hypotheticals
you want, but again, this is not our war. This
is a war that we're simply trying to mediate, the
lack of a better term, that's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
Now, there's one thing I'm still trying to understand, and
I don't get it. I mean, for a progressive left
that was against Vietnam and maybe certain other wars, they're
really for the war in the Ukraine.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Why is it?
Speaker 9 (18:07):
Is it about Zelensky? I hate them, both Zelenski and Putin.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think it's because you clearly don't comprehend that Donald
Trump is a Russian asset, and therefore they have to
be opposed to Russia and in favor of Zelensky and Ukrainians,
because otherwise you're supporting Donald Trump and the war is
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quite frankly good for the military industrial complex. I know
that Trump throws out the figure three hundred and six
billion dollars in equipment that we provided Ukrainians. I don't
know that that figure is accurate, but between what NATO
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has supplied and we have supplied, it is in the billions.
It's probably easily half a billion dollars. The reason this
war is important to me is because you have to
recognize that Putin is the sociopath psychopath that I describe,
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and even though he may be seventy plus years old,
he nonetheless is setting the tone that he really does
want to Now how far, I don't know. I don't
think initially, I don't think he wants Poland. I don't
I mean, don't get me wrong. Would he like to
have Poland? Absolutely? Would he like to have Estonia, Lithuania,
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you know, the Czech Republican He of course he would,
because that's re establishing the old Soviet Empire. He's not
going to get that. But there are geopolitical reasons that
he wants Donets, and he wants the Dombas and other
regions because of cultural, political minerals, all sorts of natural
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resources that he wants. And every leader, whether it's a
leader of a free world or a leader of a dictator,
they all want a legacy and they all want to
leave something that history will write about them and what
they accomplished and what they did. My interest in this
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war is not seeing communism creep its way into what's
already because you think about these kind of Marxist socialist
countries of Europe that continue to degenerate even worse and
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closer and closer to truly Marxist communists countries at the
same time that Russia is extending its communist influence westward.
I don't want that spreading. I also don't want a
thug like Putin to get by with just conquering countries.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
I thought the.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Whole post World War II world order, the whole rules order.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Of post World War two and the stupid United Nations,
was to prevent this kind of imperialism and conquering other nations.
And I really would rather live in a world where
we don't conquer other nations anymore. And I don't want
World War three. And every day that this war goes on,
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you can easily make a mistake where oh my gosh,
we just had a missile hit warsaw. Huh, Well, what
do the polls do. Do they just sit back and
take it, or do they respond a gosh, sounds like Vietnam.
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A domino effect easily could occur, and I just don't
want that to happen. And I don't want and I
want to And this is a subset of everything else.
I want America's power restored, because America's power and our
prestige and our respect throughout.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The world keeps that post World War II rules.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Order in place. It is the respect, coupled with the
fear of the United States that keeps the world at bay.
And I want it to stay that way.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I know that over the course of human history, it
will never stay that way because things always change. Change
is the only constant factor in our lives. But I
want to maintain as much as possible that post World
War two rules based order. And I certainly don't want
to see tactical nukes, or for that matter, strategic nukes US.
I don't. I don't want that thing to occur because
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I will lead to a World War three. And I'm
just I'm not in the mood for World War three
right now. I am in the mood for someone like
Donald Trump. I mean again, you know, it's so quick,
it's so easy to move so quickly from Biden onto Trump,
so that we've already forgotten how passive Biden was, how passive,
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if not actually somewhat assertive Obama was in the embrace
of communism, in the embrace of Marxism. Trump's flipping that.
Trump's stopping that, and I want him to succeed in that.
I want the world to respect US and to fear US.
And I think Trump's on the path to doing that.
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And part of that is, as I've said before, personnel
is policy, and Rubio was showing that. Indeed, he's showing
how personnel is policy.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
He offered land that he has not seized yet, but
negotiates his way into. Doesn't this set a dangerous precedent
that the United States now accepts this concept that it
is okay to seize land by force.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Don't buy into the premise of the question. The land's
been seized. The option now is do you just blanket
accept it, do you negotiate something in between, or do
you push him out? I don't want to. I mean
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I'd like to if we could push Putin out of
those occupied territories, that would be great because that would
show don't that would show to any other dictator around
the world, don't try that. So how would you push
Putin out? That's going to involve US air cover. That's
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going to involve US boots on the ground, NATO boots
on the ground. That's going to require the European countries
to put boots on the ground to provide air cover.
That is hmm, that's an Archduke Ferdinand moment, and I
don't really want that. So again, ideal in the real world,
he's he has over the course of three years now
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occupied that territory. I can't change the reality of what
it is. It is what it is. So now the
question becomes for Trump what do I do? What do
I do to end the war? Because that is always
the overall objective. I had someone accuse me on the
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X timeline this weekend of basically nineteen thirty eight style appeasement.
I'm like, this is anything, but appeasement is reality. If
you think back to Neville Chamberlain, he was being absolutely
naive about Hitler. I don't think Putin is not. I
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don't think Trump is naive about Putin at all. He's
very realistic about Putin and he knows that.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
If I can't negotiate a deal, then the options become
they keep fighting until they just collapse, or one part
one side of the other wins, or during that time
you risk you know, world War three because there's some
tipping point that causes that. Or I try to cut
a deal and that deal maybe you give back some
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land you conquered and we will actually allow you to
keep some land that you conquered, so both sides have
to give and take a little bit. I think that
probably is the big sticking point. Plus, I think you're
Ukrainian security guarantees. I don't have a problem with some
Ukrainian security guarantees as a general thought. But the devils
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in the details of what do those security guarantees look like?
Is that, oh, building a base in Ukraine. I'm just
thinking out loud. I'm just throwing wild stuff out there
to make you think about it. Oh, okay, do you
want security guarantees, then we're going to build a base.
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If a Democrat gets elected, they'll probably just turned it
over the Ruskies, kind of like Biden did with Bagram
Air Force Base. But think about what we could do
with a base in Ukraine. I'm not saying that's part
of the discussions. I'm just saying these are the kinds
of things that go into these negotiations. These are the
kind of wild things that you have to think about
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when you're thinking about dealing with the reality of what's
right in front of you.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Putin's already sees land by force, and that.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Let me just pause, because I want to hear the
rest of this. You'll hear the rest of this after
the break. Trump's not a Russian asset, He's a clone
to Putin.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Get with it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Uh, I'm sorry, I totally space that. I completely forgot that.
In fact, I think it was really just a Trump.
It was a Putin created Trump looking robot that appeared
in Alaska, and Putin was just there, like the Great Oz,
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just pushing the buttons and turning everything to make it
say what he wanted it to say. I want to
finish this SoundBite, and then, if I have time, I
want to address a text message, because the text message
goes to the heart of reality, which is what I
want to deal in.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
If Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land that
he has not seized yet but negotiates his way into,
doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States
now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize
land by force.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Let me go to the text message. Let me interject
the text message right here. Mike, you seem to think
that it's okay to let Putin keep the land that
he has taken. Why do you think he will be
satisfied with what. He hasn't stopped. Really, He took Crimea
a few years ago and there were many that said
he would stop there, but he did not. He just
took a break for a while and then came back
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for more. He needs to be pushed back and.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Told no more.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
He needs to be pushed back and told more. Explain
to me how you will do that.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Well, you know this, Well, how long these kind of
diplomatic negotiations often take.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
President Trump was telling.
Speaker 8 (29:59):
You, well, Putin's already sees land by force, and that
in and of itself is not a positive precedent this
whole war.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Are you demand precedent?
Speaker 8 (30:12):
Well, again, here's the in order to have a deal here,
in to reach the end of this conflict, both sides.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Are going to have to make concessions. That's just a
fact in any negotiation. No, no, but if.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
But this is not about accepting. This is about what
Ukraine can accept and what Russia can accept. They both
have to accept it, otherwise it won't be a peace deal. Okay,
if there aren't concessions, if one side gets everything they want,
that's called surrender. That's called the end of the war
through surrender. And that's not what we're close to doing,
because neither side here is on the verge of surrender
anything close to it. So in order for there to
be a peace deal, this is just a fact. We
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may not like it, it may not be pleasant, it may
may be distasteful, but in order for there to be
an end of the war, there are things Russia wants
that it cannot get, and there are things Ukraine wants
that it's not going to get. Both sides are going
to have to give up something in order to get
to the table in order to make this happened. That's
just the way it is. And I mean, the sooner
we accept that that's the reality. Now, what those things are,
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it's going to be up to both sides. There's no
conditions that can be imposed on Ukraine. They're gonna have
to accept things, but they're gonna have to get things too.
And so, for example, Ukraine is a sovereign country. They
have a right like every sovereign country does in the world,
to have the enter into security alliances with other countries
to prevent an invasion in the future, to prevent threats
to the national security. That's not an unreasonable request. That's
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something needs to be worked on territories will have to
be discussed. It's just the fact, and there are things
that maybe Russia's holding now that they're going to have
to give up.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Who knows. The point is we need to create.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
A scenario where that becomes possible. And that's why this
has been so hard, because neither side up to now
has been willing to give on some of these things.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
But we'll see if that's possible.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
It may not be, but we're gonna try, and we're
gonna do everything we can to try to achieve a peace.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's the reality that I think is the most backhanded
slab Brennan and all of the warmongers who keep wanting
to push Russia out of Crimea, push Russia out of
the Dombas, the donsk all of these oblasts, that he's
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taken at least some partial or all control love. That's
the reality, whether we like it or not. I don't
like it, but it's the reality. We also forget our
history that you know, Catherine the Great actually nx Crimea
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back in the seventeen hundreds, and then Nikita Khrushchev actually
is the one that moved to Ukraine when it was
one of the satellites. So it's got a storied history.
And when you focus solely on pushing Trump or pushing
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Putin out, you ignore the second, third, fourth iterations of
what that looks like. And you also missed the entire
fact that one of the things that Ukraine will will
require and if I was Zelenski, I would require it
and that would be security guaranteed. Now what does that
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look like? Oh, I don't know. Maybe that is a
base in Ukraine, or maybe that's NATO truths in Ukraine,
or maybe that's just you know, certain economic agreements.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Who knows.
Similar to some of the things you've talked about, Michael.
I agree with Molly Hemingway that it is so astounding
the degree that our national media is cheering against our
president in a summit with a foreign leader.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Just sick.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Chi Jing Ping is early involved in what Ken legally,
morally and rightfully described as genocide against Mongolians, Wigers, and frankly,
to some degree, his own people. The Chinese Communist Party
is a horrific, a horrific stain in civilization. What does
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Gavin Newsom do when Jijing Ping shows up in San Francisco,
sweeps the streets, cleans them up. Trump rolls out the
red carpet, and my god, you would think it was
the end of civilization. I cannot believe that he actually
did that. Going back to Fiona hill on Face.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
The Nation as Alaska wrong one.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
You know, the president has a team of advisors around him,
and in a traditional administration, those advisors will be wingmen.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
And in a traditional administration, oh, you mean an administration
that you approve of a Democrat administration, So that's a
traditional Uh. See how subtle they are with their language. Now,
I know that you would never fall prey to that
(01:49):
but you listen to this program, you are critical thinker.
You're a critical thinker. You actually think through and consider
all of the different aspects of an issue. No, we
all may fall to one degree or another on a
particular point about an issue, but we recognize that there
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are all these other points about any particular issue. There
are way too many people, way too many people in
this country. I know I use the phrase stupid people
probably too much, but there really are a lot of
stupid people in this country, poorly educated. Despite attending, you know,
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supposedly the greatest education system in the world, and having
access to the likes of some of the best higher
education in the world, we still are really stupid people.
And that right there is an example of how stupid
we are. In a traditional administration.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
You know, the president has a team of advisors around him,
and in a traditional administration, those advisors will be setting
the policy, they would be planning the optics, and they
would be thinking through that. Do you think that the
president's team set him up for success?
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Here?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
What what does that have to do with setting him
up for success? Optics? You know, doing pre negotiations, pre meetings,
to the pre meetings, to the pre meetings. What does
that have to do with this? I sometimes think they
just spew out things without even thinking about it.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Well, okay, it may well have been that one of
the demands, because we've heard from Second Rubio, which I
have to say I think was a very fair assessment
of where things are.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
So it may want to.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Be did she actually say that Rubio gave a very
thorough assessment of where we are? See why I wanted
to work these sound bites backwards, because if I started
with Rubio, you wouldn't have the perspective that, oh, at
least the only Hill recognizes that, oh, Rubio kind of
handed you at Margaret.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
Being that one of the demands by the Russians to
make any progress in moving further forward was to actually
have that kind of show of pomp and pageantry that
basically marks Potent's re entry into international affairs. Maybe the
Russians said to them in Moscow, either to Steve Witkoff
or to Secretary Rubio or to anybody else that basically
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they wanted to have a major US Russia bilateral summit's
appearance before they would move on to the nitty gritty
of anything else in Ukraine. That's you know, to give
them them all the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
There I find this curiously an overwrought point being made.
Any time I go back to Shijing Ping he comes
to the United States, San Francisco rolls out the red carpet.
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Any foreign leader that comes to this country. The President.
While he may not go out to Joint Bass Andrews
to greet the whatever president of X y Z country
shows up there may or may not be a red carpet,
doesn't make any difference. But there will be a red
carpet at the White House. That President's limousine will pull
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up to the South portico and the President will be
standing there waiting to greet them. Now, why should he
not treat Vladimir put in the same way. If you
want to have a conversation with somebody, if you want
to be able to persuade someone, if you want to
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have legitimate back and forth negotiations, to really have brokeer
discussions about how do we move from this point to
that point or any end point, any point in between.
Would you turn your back on them and just say, hey,
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land your plane and we'll send a Willis jeep out,
you know, and uncovered willis jeep out there driven by
you know, go or pile to pick you up and
drive you to the meeting. Are you gonna do that?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
No?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I think between the White House Officer Protocol, Donald Trump himself,
who is a showman, and the understanding that, you know what,
let's do show this guy exactly that we will show
him respect. As much as we may dislike him or
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what he's doing or think that what he's doing is
is a war crime, Let's show him respect so that
we can sit down and start from Because he is
the president of his country. He is a dictator and
I'll probably say it a thousand times today he is
associatepath and a psychopath. But nonetheless that doesn't mean you
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can't treat him with the respect that he's due for
the dictatorship office that he holds.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
It.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Just but this is so insanely immature.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
But it all now depends on what comes out of this,
and I think again, Secretary Rubia made it very clear
that it's not going to be easy. He was certainly
downplaying any expectations of a major breakthrough, but he did
say that there was something.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
That might be possible.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I think that's what's going to be the proof of
whether this was actually worth all the effort that they
went to in Alaska or not.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I think it was. Do you know why? And I'll
get to this in just a minute. We have more
people coming. We have more of the NATO EU leaders
coming than I thought as of when I went to
bed last night, I thought, okay, we'll have Starmer and
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mccron and obviously Zelenski. Now I thought that was about
And what's her name, Ursula? Whatever she is from. Never
can't remember her last name from the EU. Well, we
have additional names. I'll give you those in a minute.
That end of itself is an accomplishment, and that is
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a result of that meeting. Now let's think about the
pageantry or the staging, average whatever word you want to
use of that meeting. I thought it was brilliant, utterly brilliant.
Do you pay attention to the details. It was not
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lost on Putin that as he is walking to they
didn't walk to meet each other. Putin walked to Trump.
That's a sign of strength, that shows the top dog here,
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You're going to come to me. And that's not a
matter of protocol because in the in the eyes of diplomacy,
they're equals. They're both presidents of their countries. So you
had Putin walking on a narrow red carpet to a
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wider red carpet, obviously to accommodate the two of them
walking versus the one of them walking, but nonetheless walking
to Trump, that's a sign of power. Then the flyover
of the B two and the bombers that had the
intended effect. Do you know how I know that Putin
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is smart enough? This guy Putin, he may be a sociopath,
he may be a psychopath. I never said he was stupid.
You know, you think about some serial killers, and you
could claim that Putin is a serial killer. They're not stupid.
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They're actually quite brilliant. They're they're genius in some ways.
Still sociopaths, still psychopaths, still mass murder serial, serial murderers,
but they're not stupid. Putin, when he heard the B
two and the fighters fly overhead, he made a mistake.
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He looked up. Hmm, that was the intended effect. See
the strength of America as we walk between the other
fighters positioned facing them, so as you're walking into the building,
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you're looking at those fighter jets staring at you. That
is a sign of America power, American strength. It was
staged perfectly. I would bet you a dollar to a
doughnut that Trump had some input into that. Now let's
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go to Marco, because the exchange between Rubio and Margaret
Brennan shows you several things. The cabal is determined to
present this as a failure. The cabal clearly, either willfully
or inadvertently, does not understand diplomacy. And Thirdy didn't make
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any difference what Marco said. She had her talking points
and she was going to stick to them. Here we go.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Good morning to you, mister secretary.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Good morning, thank you.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Vladimir Putin did not sound happy to be there.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I mean, I'm sure he's physically. I'm sure he's exhausted,
but he didn't sound happy at all, did he.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Good morning to you, mister secretary, Good morning, Thank you.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Vladimir Putin did not give President Trump the ceasefire he sought.
And now Putin says the root causes of the conflict
have to be resolved in a peace agreement. Isn't the
root cause the fact that Russia invaded in the first
place so ignorant?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
The root causes go well beyond and prior to the invasion.
Many of the root causes not all, but some of
the root causes are in this country. Barack Obama and
Joe Biden.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Well, ultimately yeah, But I mean what he means by
root causes is his long historical complaints that we've heard repeatedly.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
This is not a new argument.
Speaker 8 (12:52):
He's been making this for a long time, and it's
the argument that it's Western encroachment.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
I don't want to get in touch just so long.
Speaker 8 (12:58):
But the bottom line is that all of you know,
we're not going to focus on all of that stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
We're going to focus on this. Are they going to
stop fighting or not?
Speaker 8 (13:04):
And what it's going to take to stop the fighting,
and what it's going to take to stop the fighting.
If we're being honest and serious here is both sides
are going to have to give, and both sides should
expect to get something from this.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
And that's a very difficult thing to do.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
It's very difficult because Ukraine obviously feels harmed, and rightfully so,
because they were invaded, and the Russian side, because they
feel like they've got momentum in the battlefield and frankly
don't care, don't seem to care very much about how
many Russian soldiers die in this endeavor.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
They just turned through it.
Speaker 8 (13:30):
So I think what the President deserves a lot of
credit for is the amount of time and energy that
his administration is placing on reaching a piecer gaement for
a war that's not a war that started under him.
It's half you know, it's on the other side of
the world. That said, I mean, it's relevant to us,
but there are a lot of other issues you can
be focused on. So tomorrow will be meeting with President Zelenski,
will be meeting with European leaders.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
We just met with Putin.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
He's dedicated a lot of time and energy because he
has made it a priority of his administration to stop
or end war, stop wars or prevent them. And right
now this is the biggest war going on in the world.
It's the biggest war in Europe since World War Two.
We're going to continue to do everything we can to
reach an agreement that ends the dying and the killing
and the suffering that's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Pure brilliants. Yes, both sides are going to have to
gain something, both sides are going to have to lose something,
and that's not easy. But that's the only way you're
going to get this stopped. What's not said yet, But
what's not said is if you want to somehow just
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defeat Putin, that's going to involve more than the American public,
or frankly, I think more than even NATO's willing to do.
Do you think NATO really wants their troops on the ground. No,
No more than leave went our troops on the ground.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
But I mean, you know this well, how long these
kind of diplomatic negotiations often take. President Trump was telling
European leaders.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
What was discussed was.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Putin demanding control of Dnesque, a region in the east
that his forces do not fully hold, and the UK
estimates that taking that full area could be as long
as another four years.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Putin also is demanding.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Russian be an official language in Ukraine and something regarding
Russian Orthodox churches. Did the US accept all of what
Putin laid out at that table?
Speaker 8 (15:27):
The United States is not in a position to accept
anything or reject anything, because ultimately it's up to the Ukrainians.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
They're the ones that Russia has to.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
Make peaceless, said he It's up to the Ukrainians to
make these conditions well, the agreements were that we were
going to try to do things like, for example, get
a leader a leader's meeting. We have to make enough
progress so that we can sit down President Zelensky and
President Putin in the same place, which is what President
Zelensky has been asking for, and reach a final agreement that.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Ends this war.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
Now, there were some concepts and ideas discussed that we
know the Ukrainians can be very supportive of in that meeting.
I don't think it's I'm not going to negotiate this
in the media. I understand that everybody wants to know
what happened. But ultimately, there are things that we're discussed
as part of this meeting that are potentials for breakthroughs,
that are potentials for progress. We'll be discussing that more
in depth tomorrow with our European allies, with the Ukrainians
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that are coming over. We'll be discussing all of these
things because ultimately we do need to find areas where
we're making progress and try to begin to narrow the
gap between the two sides. But there's a reason why
this war has been going on for three and a
half years, and that is when it comes to the
big issues here. There are still some big differences between
both sides.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Let's see how.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
Much progress we can continue to make. It's not been easy,
but it's something that President's made a priority peace and
he deserves a lot of credit for that.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
If Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land that
he has not seized yet but negotiates his way into,
doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States
now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize
land by force.
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Well, Putin's already sees land by force, and that in
and of itself is not a positive precedent this whole war.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Are you demanding withdrawal precedent?
Speaker 8 (17:08):
Well, again, here's the in order to have a deal
here to in to reach the end of this conflict,
both sides.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Are going to have to make concessions.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
That's any negotiation the Russian force, No, no.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
But if. But this is not about accepted.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
This is about what Ukraine can accept and what Russia
can accept.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
They both have to accept it otherwise it won't be
a They.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Both have to You can put throughout all the hypotheticals
you want, but again, this is not our war. This
is a war that we're simply trying to mediate, the
lack of a better term, that's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 9 (17:47):
Now, there's one thing I'm still trying to understand, and
I don't get it. I mean, for a progressive left
that was against Vietnam and maybe certain other wars, they're
really for the war in the Ukraine.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Why is it?
Speaker 9 (18:07):
Is it about Zelensky? I hate them, both Zelenski and Putin.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think it's because you clearly don't comprehend that Donald
Trump is a Russian asset, and therefore they have to
be opposed to Russia and in favor of Zelensky and Ukrainians,
because otherwise you're supporting Donald Trump and the war is
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quite frankly good for the military industrial complex. I know
that Trump throws out the figure three hundred and six
billion dollars in equipment that we provided Ukrainians. I don't
know that that figure is accurate, but between what NATO
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has supplied and we have supplied, it is in the billions.
It's probably easily half a billion dollars. The reason this
war is important to me is because you have to
recognize that Putin is the sociopath psychopath that I describe,
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and even though he may be seventy plus years old,
he nonetheless is setting the tone that he really does
want to Now how far, I don't know. I don't
think initially, I don't think he wants Poland. I don't
I mean, don't get me wrong. Would he like to
have Poland? Absolutely? Would he like to have Estonia, Lithuania,
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you know, the Czech Republican He of course he would,
because that's re establishing the old Soviet Empire. He's not
going to get that. But there are geopolitical reasons that
he wants Donets, and he wants the Dombas and other
regions because of cultural, political minerals, all sorts of natural
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resources that he wants. And every leader, whether it's a
leader of a free world or a leader of a dictator,
they all want a legacy and they all want to
leave something that history will write about them and what
they accomplished and what they did. My interest in this
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war is not seeing communism creep its way into what's
already because you think about these kind of Marxist socialist
countries of Europe that continue to degenerate even worse and
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closer and closer to truly Marxist communists countries at the
same time that Russia is extending its communist influence westward.
I don't want that spreading. I also don't want a
thug like Putin to get by with just conquering countries.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
I thought the.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Whole post World War II world order, the whole rules order.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Of post World War two and the stupid United Nations,
was to prevent this kind of imperialism and conquering other nations.
And I really would rather live in a world where
we don't conquer other nations anymore. And I don't want
World War three. And every day that this war goes on,
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you can easily make a mistake where oh my gosh,
we just had a missile hit warsaw. Huh, Well, what
do the polls do. Do they just sit back and
take it, or do they respond a gosh, sounds like Vietnam.
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A domino effect easily could occur, and I just don't
want that to happen. And I don't want and I
want to And this is a subset of everything else.
I want America's power restored, because America's power and our
prestige and our respect throughout.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
The world keeps that post World War II rules.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Order in place. It is the respect, coupled with the
fear of the United States that keeps the world at bay.
And I want it to stay that way.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
I know that over the course of human history, it
will never stay that way because things always change. Change
is the only constant factor in our lives. But I
want to maintain as much as possible that post World
War two rules based order. And I certainly don't want
to see tactical nukes, or for that matter, strategic nukes US.
I don't. I don't want that thing to occur because
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I will lead to a World War three. And I'm
just I'm not in the mood for World War three
right now. I am in the mood for someone like
Donald Trump. I mean again, you know, it's so quick,
it's so easy to move so quickly from Biden onto Trump,
so that we've already forgotten how passive Biden was, how passive,
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if not actually somewhat assertive Obama was in the embrace
of communism, in the embrace of Marxism. Trump's flipping that.
Trump's stopping that, and I want him to succeed in that.
I want the world to respect US and to fear US.
And I think Trump's on the path to doing that.
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And part of that is, as I've said before, personnel
is policy, and Rubio was showing that. Indeed, he's showing
how personnel is policy.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
He offered land that he has not seized yet, but
negotiates his way into. Doesn't this set a dangerous precedent
that the United States now accepts this concept that it
is okay to seize land by force.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Don't buy into the premise of the question. The land's
been seized. The option now is do you just blanket
accept it, do you negotiate something in between, or do
you push him out? I don't want to. I mean
(24:46):
I'd like to if we could push Putin out of
those occupied territories, that would be great because that would
show don't that would show to any other dictator around
the world, don't try that. So how would you push
Putin out? That's going to involve US air cover. That's
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going to involve US boots on the ground, NATO boots
on the ground. That's going to require the European countries
to put boots on the ground to provide air cover.
That is hmm, that's an Archduke Ferdinand moment, and I
don't really want that. So again, ideal in the real world,
he's he has over the course of three years now
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occupied that territory. I can't change the reality of what
it is. It is what it is. So now the
question becomes for Trump what do I do? What do
I do to end the war? Because that is always
the overall objective. I had someone accuse me on the
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X timeline this weekend of basically nineteen thirty eight style appeasement.
I'm like, this is anything, but appeasement is reality. If
you think back to Neville Chamberlain, he was being absolutely
naive about Hitler. I don't think Putin is not. I
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don't think Trump is naive about Putin at all. He's
very realistic about Putin and he knows that.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
If I can't negotiate a deal, then the options become
they keep fighting until they just collapse, or one part
one side of the other wins, or during that time
you risk you know, world War three because there's some
tipping point that causes that. Or I try to cut
a deal and that deal maybe you give back some
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land you conquered and we will actually allow you to
keep some land that you conquered, so both sides have
to give and take a little bit. I think that
probably is the big sticking point. Plus, I think you're
Ukrainian security guarantees. I don't have a problem with some
Ukrainian security guarantees as a general thought. But the devils
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in the details of what do those security guarantees look like?
Is that, oh, building a base in Ukraine. I'm just
thinking out loud. I'm just throwing wild stuff out there
to make you think about it. Oh, okay, do you
want security guarantees, then we're going to build a base.
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If a Democrat gets elected, they'll probably just turned it
over the Ruskies, kind of like Biden did with Bagram
Air Force Base. But think about what we could do
with a base in Ukraine. I'm not saying that's part
of the discussions. I'm just saying these are the kinds
of things that go into these negotiations. These are the
kind of wild things that you have to think about
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when you're thinking about dealing with the reality of what's
right in front of you.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Putin's already sees land by force, and that.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Let me just pause, because I want to hear the
rest of this. You'll hear the rest of this after
the break. Trump's not a Russian asset, He's a clone
to Putin.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Get with it.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Uh, I'm sorry, I totally space that. I completely forgot that.
In fact, I think it was really just a Trump.
It was a Putin created Trump looking robot that appeared
in Alaska, and Putin was just there, like the Great Oz,
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just pushing the buttons and turning everything to make it
say what he wanted it to say. I want to
finish this SoundBite, and then, if I have time, I
want to address a text message, because the text message
goes to the heart of reality, which is what I
want to deal in.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
If Vladimir Putin is going to be offered land that
he has not seized yet but negotiates his way into,
doesn't this set a dangerous precedent that the United States
now accepts this concept that it is okay to seize
land by force.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Let me go to the text message. Let me interject
the text message right here. Mike, you seem to think
that it's okay to let Putin keep the land that
he has taken. Why do you think he will be
satisfied with what. He hasn't stopped. Really, He took Crimea
a few years ago and there were many that said
he would stop there, but he did not. He just
took a break for a while and then came back
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for more. He needs to be pushed back and.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Told no more.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
He needs to be pushed back and told more. Explain
to me how you will do that.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Well, you know this, Well, how long these kind of
diplomatic negotiations often take.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
President Trump was telling.
Speaker 8 (29:59):
You, well, Putin's already sees land by force, and that
in and of itself is not a positive precedent this
whole war.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Are you demand precedent?
Speaker 8 (30:12):
Well, again, here's the in order to have a deal here,
in to reach the end of this conflict, both sides.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
Are going to have to make concessions. That's just a
fact in any negotiation. No, no, but if.
Speaker 8 (30:25):
But this is not about accepting. This is about what
Ukraine can accept and what Russia can accept. They both
have to accept it, otherwise it won't be a peace deal. Okay,
if there aren't concessions, if one side gets everything they want,
that's called surrender. That's called the end of the war
through surrender. And that's not what we're close to doing,
because neither side here is on the verge of surrender
anything close to it. So in order for there to
be a peace deal, this is just a fact. We
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may not like it, it may not be pleasant, it may
may be distasteful, but in order for there to be
an end of the war, there are things Russia wants
that it cannot get, and there are things Ukraine wants
that it's not going to get. Both sides are going
to have to give up something in order to get
to the table in order to make this happened. That's
just the way it is. And I mean, the sooner
we accept that that's the reality. Now, what those things are,
(31:06):
it's going to be up to both sides. There's no
conditions that can be imposed on Ukraine. They're gonna have
to accept things, but they're gonna have to get things too.
And so, for example, Ukraine is a sovereign country. They
have a right like every sovereign country does in the world,
to have the enter into security alliances with other countries
to prevent an invasion in the future, to prevent threats
to the national security. That's not an unreasonable request. That's
(31:27):
something needs to be worked on territories will have to
be discussed. It's just the fact, and there are things
that maybe Russia's holding now that they're going to have
to give up.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Who knows. The point is we need to create.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
A scenario where that becomes possible. And that's why this
has been so hard, because neither side up to now
has been willing to give on some of these things.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
But we'll see if that's possible.
Speaker 8 (31:47):
It may not be, but we're gonna try, and we're
gonna do everything we can to try to achieve a peace.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's the reality that I think is the most backhanded
slab Brennan and all of the warmongers who keep wanting
to push Russia out of Crimea, push Russia out of
the Dombas, the donsk all of these oblasts, that he's
(32:12):
taken at least some partial or all control love. That's
the reality, whether we like it or not. I don't
like it, but it's the reality. We also forget our
history that you know, Catherine the Great actually nx Crimea
(32:34):
back in the seventeen hundreds, and then Nikita Khrushchev actually
is the one that moved to Ukraine when it was
one of the satellites. So it's got a storied history.
And when you focus solely on pushing Trump or pushing
(32:55):
Putin out, you ignore the second, third, fourth iterations of
what that looks like. And you also missed the entire
fact that one of the things that Ukraine will will
require and if I was Zelenski, I would require it
and that would be security guaranteed. Now what does that
(33:16):
look like? Oh, I don't know. Maybe that is a
base in Ukraine, or maybe that's NATO truths in Ukraine,
or maybe that's just you know, certain economic agreements.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Who knows.
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