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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If Tanga indeed has bought out decision that would take
over nine News, KADIEVR, Fox thirty one. Wouldn't that be interesting?
I wonder what would happen to Kyle Clark. I can
tell you, although I don't watch nine News ever, I
would not miss their propaganda and all the lives that
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they tell. Who would protect Senator Hick.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Or who would advocate for Democrats running for governor? Or
who would protect the dirt bag that tried to kidnap
the kid at sam Aurora playground on school somewhere because
he's a registered child sex offender. But we've made the
editorial decision not to publish his photo anymore. So I
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asked nine News and Chris vanderven on X, can you
explain your editorial decision? And the answer was silence, utter silence.
I promise, I'm going to move on, but I've got
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to finish one more segment about Ukraine. Why am I
spending such an inordinate amount of time on Friday's meeting
and the meetings that are going to be are scheduled
for today and who knows into this week? When you
think about world history, this is and could be a
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defining moment that in the long term we'll look back
on and say, this is the day, so to speak,
this is the day that America came back, or we
could look back and say, oh, this is the arts
Duke Ferdinand moment that led to World War Three. It could,
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in historical terms, be the moment that we looked because
it's we're getting not that far away from October, but
in another say what month and a half will be
in October and the Chinese Communist Party will be having
their annual congress, and there is I'm guessing, you know,
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I'm mark the tape. I may be absolutely wrong about this,
but as of today, I believe there's a better than
fifty to fifty chance that Shijin Ping will be thrown
out as the head of the Chinese Communist Party because
the People's Liberation Army is really upset with him. Their
economy is in a shambles. He has tightened his grip.
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He really sees himself as another MOUSEI tomb and China,
although it's still a communist country, has moved way beyond
that cultural revolution, and they now embrace consumerism, and they
now embrace to some degree the idea I can't call
it free marketing economics, but they do understand that, oh,
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capitalism does, and you're to our benefit if we're kind
of over here participating in it to the degree that
we can. So the world is and Trump's right in
the middle of it. Trump is right in the middle
of a time when the entire world is changing and
it's difficult for us to see because and I know
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other programs. For example, I heard Dan's promo that he's
having one of the contributors to do Better Denver on
this afternoon. That's great. You know, I'll probably go back
and listen to that, or if i'm about i'll listen
to it live. That's an incredibly important local issue. I've
got several issues here about food stamps. I've got a
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plethora of things to talk about. But for me, this
is the number one issue that could, in a very
positive way, over periods of time, affect our lives and
could suddenly disrupt our lives in a way that we
can't even possibly imagine. And the cabal is out, and
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I'm going to say something that I almost think the
cabal wants Trump to fail, not because they want, you know,
Putin to win, not because they want Zelenski to win.
Their overriding objective is Trump's failure, because the Democrat Party
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right now is I mean, they're not you know, the
saying is you're on the ropes. I'm not even sure
the Democrat Party right now is on the ropes. The
Democrat Party is is desperately seeking to identify themselves. And
I've got a story that's going on about another mayoral
election not New York that shows just how bad things are.
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So there's this huge kind of realignment going on right now,
and it's being led by Donald Trump, and he's right
smack dab in the middle of all these world affairs,
including what's going on in this country. My god, he's
the energizer bunny. It just absolutely fascinates me. So I'm
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going to go back to face the nation because you
heard in that last SoundBite at the end of the
last hour that while you may interpret what I'm saying
as I want Zelensky to give up some territory, I
don't want him to give up any territory. But I
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live in the real world, and the real world is
Putin occupies territory. And for people who say, oh, let's
push Putin out simply. My simple question is, Okay, how
how precisely would you do that? Because I don't think Well,
first of all, we know that Zelenski doesn't have forget
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the armaments, just think about the man power. He doesn't
have the manpower to do that right now. For that matter,
Putin doesn't really have the manpower to proceed much further.
And I know that there are no there are no
guarantees in guarantees in life about anything other than what
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death and taxes. I know that if there is a
land exchange, as I read that last detection the last hour, well,
what's to keep him from keep moving? Well, that's such
a shortsighted question, because part of any sort of land swap,
if there was one, I don't know that there will be.
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But if there was one, and I'm Zelenski and I
agree to that, I'm going to turn to Trump and say,
you on behalf of all these other world leaders that
are here, because who's the leader of the world leaders,
Donald Trump? Then I have to have security guarantees Trump
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and Rubio and all the other world leaders that are
in part of this meeting. Now, primarily the European leaders
are going to have to decide. What are those security guarantees.
Is that a NATO presence, Is that a US military
base in Ukraine? Is it business and trade deals that
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put American workers in factories or mines or whatever it
might be to get some of the rare earth minerals
out of Ukraine. Is it an agreement with you know,
Ukraine's really the bread basket of the world. Is it
some sort of agricultural agreement. What is it? I don't
know what those security agreements are. And there's another factor
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every person involved in all these negotiations is what mortal
Putin's not going to live forever. Putin's not going to
be the dictator of Russia forever. There are cracks in
his dictatorship, not serious cracks, not like c Jene Ping
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has right now. But the more he continues this fight,
which he doesn't care. He does not give one twit
about how many men or women he kills in this war,
which is why I describe him as a sociopath and
the psychopath he doesn't care. So that's the reality that
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we're dealing with now. Think about how Democrats want to
I I honestly think they don't want Trump to succeed
how in the hell if let's just play a white
if game for a moment. What if instead of Donald Trump,
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what if either Barack Obama or Joe Biden were doing
the same things, Maybe not as you know, maybe not
as much pageantry, maybe with not as much energy. But
what if they were mechanically and philosophically doing the same
thing that Donald Trump's doing right now? What do you
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think the cabal's response would be? What do you think
Democrats' response would be? For example, let me give you
Jason Crow and think about the question. Because Jason Crowe
followed Marco Rubio on Faced the Nation yesterday. You know,
the more I listened to Jason Crow, I've never never
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liked him, and I never wanted to have a Democrat
representing that congressional district in Colorado. But everybody runs to
Jason Crowe simply because he he served in the military
that he is now some sort of grand expert on this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
On Ukraine, you know that the US intelligence assessment is
that the battlefield is turning in Russia's favor, despite the
fact that Putin has to rely on Iran and North
Korea to keep this thing going. Neither President Biden nor
President Trump were ever willing to commit troops. Doesn't the
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secretary have a point that it has to be hammered
out the negotiating table.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
You know, this absolutely will end at a negotiating table,
like most conflicts will. But what happened on Friday was
a historical Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
He admits, oh, I can't say it very strongly, but well,
you know, most conflicts end up being resolved at the
negotiating table, all right, but always pay attention, as I
always say, pay attention to what's said after the.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Butt, like most conflicts will. But what happened on Friday,
it was a historic embarrassment for the United States. There's
no other way to put it. You listen to what
Marco Rubio and the President have said. They keep on saying,
they're dedicating time, they're making it a priority, They're focusing
their attention on it. In any negotiation, when you're trying
to end an armed conflict, there's nothing more important than
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understanding what motivates your adversary, What is making Vladimir Putin
pick In this instance, Vladimir Putin does not care about
the amount of time that we're nego, where al Kaine
does does not care about a B two bomb or
fly over, does not care about a lineup of F
twenty two fighters rolled out. He doesn't care about any
of that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think he's wrong. I think that symbolism, symbolism matters inherently.
Why do dictators always use symbolism. They use symbolism to
show their people their power. They're in control, they are
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the you know, they're the almighty odds. This tells me
that Jason Crowe is so blinded by his partisan politics
that he doesn't understand the very basics about dictatorships. They
understand that. And what Donald Trump did was he knew
that Putin understands military strength and power, so he put
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it on display for him, and not only put it
on display for him, but caused him. Again, I go
back to the point that I'm fascinated that Putin didn't
have enough self control that he didn't look up in
the sky. But when the B two and the fighters
flew over, Putin couldn't help himself but look up. He
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looked up, He capitulated, and then he had to walk
through that phalanx of fighter jets. If Jason Crowe thinks
that that didn't whether it impress him or not doesn't
matter to me. What matters to me is he saw
America's strength, because it's more than a B two bomber
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flying overhead. It's that Putin knows that one of his
proxy countries, the Iranians, got the feces bombed out of
them by that kind of plane. So when he looked
up and saw that plane, he didn't just see a bomber.
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He thought to himself, Yeah, uh huh, I know what
you did. You flew thirty six hours. You didn't have
any mechanical failures. You absolutely pulled it off, you know, flawlessly,
And that shows strength, which is what he does in
his own country, except now he saw that and strength
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up close and personal. Jason, you really are so blinded
by your partisanship that you come across as kind of
an idiot.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
What Vadimir Putin cares about is basically three things. It
cares about economic pressure in the form of sanctions, It
cares about political and diplomatic isolation being a pariah state,
and he cares about military defeat. Those are the three
things that will in this conflict if he feels pressure
on all of those three fronts and this administration continues
to be unwilling to do anything to assert pressure in
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any of those three areas.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You don't know that, you don't know. In fact, it's
been it's been stated by Trump on numerous occasions, and
it's not He hasn't drawn he hasn't said where that
line is. He's drawn a red line and said yes,
there will be severe sanctions, but he hasn't said when.
He hasn't said that. You know, this equal sanctions, This
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equal sanctions, just that if we can't get a deal
done and there will be hell to pay. So don't
equivocate that with a red line.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Like look at what happened on Friday. US military personnel
in uniform. Literally we're on their hands and knees rolling
out a red carpet for the most murderous dictator of
the twenty first century, somebody who is kidnapped and is
holding prisoner tens of thousands of Ukrainian children, somebody.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Who started this whole war. Right, this both.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Sides ism that the administration is engaging in. Both sides
seem to come to the table and negotiate.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Ukraine is the victim, they are well, nobody questions that
Ukraine is the victim. No I don't think anybody questions
that that's a red herring. We all know that Ukraine
is the victim. And insofar as grunts, if I can
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be crude and just call them grunts, If grunts and
they're fatigues are rolling out the red carpet, well excuse me.
That's their job. That's their job. Congressman, you know, I
suppose if you show up somewhere, if you show up
out here at Buckley or Lowry, or at the Academy
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or anywhere else, and we got a bunch of cadets
or a bunch of grunts rolling out of red carpet,
are you going to object to it? No, you'll walk right,
You'll you'll walk on the red carpet too. What a
do for this? Are the victim?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
They didn't start this war, Russia did, And somehow we
keep on acting like Vladimir Putin deserves to be brought
out into the open like any other head of state.
This is a historic embarrassment and defeat for US foreign policy.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Talk about it different. I've listened to that clip probably
four or five times now, and I've tried to put
myself in his mind the bet, why was it wrong
to show the respect to a what I've said, who
I said is a sociopath and a psychopath and is
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a murderous invader. What else were we supposed to do
if what we're trying to do is to get him
to sit down and see to only see if there
is any room for negotiations, because prior to the meeting
actually occurring, we had no clue whether he would agree
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to anything or not. He apparently agreed to some things
because meetings are going to take place, so there's something
for them to talk about.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Michael, are you new here?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
You're surprised that the cabal wants Trump to fail at
any cost.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I expect better out of you. I understand it's Monday,
but come on.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Slat me around a little bit. I love the fact
that she drops the you must be new here. I
know it's your favorite phrase. I love it. Now. You
mentioned something during the break when I was talking about
Jason Crowe and his objection to the pageantry. Is he
an idiot or something? Because just not a few more
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you must be new here? Thank you? That's true. That's
true because wasn't it just a few months ago? You know,
the May Day or whatever? Ay have a May Day
parade where red square, red Square. Yeah, that's and that's
in what city, Pueblo, Grand Junction. Man, I don't think
it's in Colorado. It may be Oh yeah, Muscow, Oscow, Idaho, Moscow, Idaho. Yeah. Yeah,
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they have a big parade. And why why why do
they have a big parade Because Putin, whoever's the dictator
of Russia, needs to show the people that he's got
the power. And look at look at them, look at
the mighty power of the Russian Federation. A lot of
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European leaders, different shape, sizes and statues, all announced plans yesterday.
They're all going to go crowd themselves into the West
wing when Trump meets with Zelenski. Now, prior to this meeting,
I think the main question leading into the meeting did
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center on whether the Ukrainian figurehead would wear a suit
and tie to the sit down. Well, now the question
is whether the European leaders are trying to flood the
zone in a last ditch effort to what keep the
war going. Now, the other possibility, sincerely, the other possibility
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is that Trump really did convince your that the time
has come to end this NATO proxy war with Russia.
Now Those announcing their intent to be at the White
House include the President of the EU, Vanderley and I
never can't remember her name, Ursula, It's all I can remember.
H Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the UK, the
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and Dragon with that looking. I'll give you a hundred
bucks if you can name the President of Finland Joseph
Oh damn it all right, I'll pay in a minute.
Alexander Stubb, Emmanuel Macrone of France, Chancellor of Germany Mertz,
the Secretary General of NATO Mark Root and now the
Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney. There may be others too,
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but those are the ones I know of now. Now.
In the in the past hour, Trump has gone on
to truth social posting, going through a posting spree started
with this messy each big progress, all camps, big progress
on Russia. Stay tuned now. I don't know, maybe call
me naive. I doubt Trump would be sending out messages
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of optimism in advance of a multinational meeting if he
really senses that it's going to be a failure. Nobody's
going to agree to anything now. Obviously, as he likes
to say, there's no deal until there's a deal where
there's no final deal in this war. They can be
reached until Zelenski, Trump and Putin all meet sometime after
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this meeting. But today seems to be shaping up as
a very important step to getting to that next meeting.
You see, Come on, this is just a step by
step process. And I know that the Cabal has to
report on what's going on, and there's really nothing to
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report on right now. Here's how one BBC characterized the
motivations behind the mass migration to the BBC Rights. European
leaders are trying to show Donald Trump they are crucial
to the peace deal that he craves. After what that
he craves you? Maybe you don't do this. And I
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find sound bites or I find stories, and I'll cut
and paste this into my notes and I skimmed through it,
and then when I read it out loud, it hits me.
European leaders are trying to show Donald Trump that they
are crucial to the peace deal he craves. They don't
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crave a piece deal. I mean, surely or surely either
one of them. Surely, I think Maloney does. I would
like to believe that Mertz in Germany really does. Finland
probably really does. But France and the UK, I'm not
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really not so sure about. I think both. You know,
France probably doesn't want to see it because Macrone's upset
that now Trump's taken center stage. Starmer probably doesn't really
want it because he really is a true I mean,
he is a diehard liberal and although he may want
the war to continue because it allows him to try
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to rebuild his military, which right now is just not
it is worthless. It's just, really, do you do you
unite the British military, not not the men and women,
but the force is pretty worthless. Anyway, back to the BBC,
after Washington initially ruled out the Box involvement in its
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effort to stop the war, it seems they will be
represented as they support President Zelensky. As for Ukraine's leader,
it's a chance to make up for his disastrous last
visit to the White House, where he had a now
infamous verbal dust up with Donald Trump. Europe has had
to support the US president's decision to bypass the ceasefire. Well,
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they also tried to convince him to get tougher with
Vladimir Putin. So they're coming because of bullying is is
that what? Well, interestingly, that's one of the arguments. Let's
go back to face the nation.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President
Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away.
That's why you have these European leaders coming as back
up tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
That's not true. But that's not why why that's not true.
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
That's very old.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
They're coming here tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The television cameras where President Zelensky, Oh no, I know,
and I was just a bunch Putin where red carpet rolls.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
We've had more meetings we've had we've had We've had
one meeting with Putin and like a dozen meetings with Zelenski. So,
but that's not true. They're not coming here tomorrow to
keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're coming here tomorrow because
we've been working with the Europeans. We talked to them
last week. There were meetings in the UK over the
follow the previous weekend and they say as early as Thursday.
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But you said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep
Zelensky for being bullied. They're not coming here tomorrow. This
is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming here
tomorrow because the Trump is going to bully Zelensky into
a bad deal. We've been working with these people for weeks,
for weeks on this stuff. They're coming here tomorrow because
they chose to come here tomorrow. We invited them to come.
We invited them to come, The President invited them to come.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Do you much shameful about that sound bite this woman
in sixteen seconds? What's absolutely said despicable and upsetting about
that sound bite?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Virtually nobody heard it because it was on the Sunday
shows on Face the Nation, which I don't know where
Face the Nation is in terms of the three network
Sunday shows. But all the people inside the Beltway heard it.
But people in Flyover Country, people out here in Communist Colorado,
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most people in Communa's Colorado didn't hear it. You talk
about just blasting Margaret Brennan, she should be truly well,
she doesn't like it. She doesn't have the capacity to
be embarrassed, but she should be.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President
Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away.
That's why you have these European leaders coming as back
up tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Can you know that's not true? But that's not why,
why that's not true. They're not coming here tomorrow to
keep Zelenski from being bullied. They're coming here to the mark.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Of television cameras where President Zalynsky you don't. Oh, no,
I know, And I was just up in Blae with
Vladimir Putin where red carpet rolls roll were.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
This's what she's trying to do. She's trying to conflate that.
Zelensky goes into an oval office meeting in front of
the press and it deteriorates. Yet over here you rolled
out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin. Why didn't you
just punch Putin in the face when he walked down
the red carpet. Why you're just nothing but a sycophant
for Vladimir Putin. You know, these people are truly and
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you're right, I must be I truly must be New Year,
because these people are just absolutely despicable, truly despicable.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President
Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away.
That's why you have these European leaders coming as back
up tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Can you know it is that that's not true. But
that's not why why that's not true. They're not coming
here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
They're very over.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
They're coming here tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
The television cameras where President Lynsky.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You don't have any meetings you have?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Oh no, I know, and I was just up and
bunch of we putin where a red carpet rolls.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
We've had more meetings we've had we've had We've had
one meeting with Putin and like a dozen meetings with Zelenski.
So that but that's not true. They're not coming here
tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're coming here
tomorrow because we've been working with the Europeans. We talked
to them last week. There were meetings in the UK
over the follow the previous weekend, and they said as
early as Thursday. But you said that they're coming here
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tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're not coming
here tomorrow. This is such a stupid media narrative that
they're coming here tomorrow because the Trump is going to
bully Zelensky into a bad deal. We've been working with
these people for weeks, for weeks on this stuff. They're
coming here tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow.
We invited them to come. We invited them to come,
the President invited them to come.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
We'll be right back after we get Margaret Brennan a
first aid kit.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Mike.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
I just think it's really cool that we have all
these world leaders coming to visit and we actually have
a president who's looking alive and is coherent and actually
is interested in getting something done.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I could not have asked for a better talk back
than that to finish this segment. You're welcome. No, you
didn't have a damn thing to do with you, Kirk,
but I picked it. The thing to remember about all
of this with it is that with his face to
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face meeting with Putin in Alaska on Friday, Trump did
what nobody else has been willing to do at all.
He cut the professional were amonger class out of the deal.
This is something that most of these European leaders fear
more than anything else because it shows how unimportant to
any of this they truly are. But even more panicked
by the actual direct talks between the leaders of two
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of the three major world powers are the advisory diplomatic
class who inhabit formally influential quasi governmental groups like oh,
I don't know, the Atlantic Council, the Council and formulations
on whose boards more than what at least six former
CIA directors sent for these people never ending wars are
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living and without the death and the displacement and all
the destruction, they got to find real jobs. So no
wonder they've all been so panicked about this, truly panicked
about this. It's surely an interesting development. And here's the
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thing they may or may not understand about Donald Trump.
If they are to attempt to some sort of of
show of force to intimidate the President into making impossible
demands of Putin, that's an effort that's going to fail bigly.
Trump is singularly unimpressed with the direction in which the
EU and the UK are heading, and he correctly, in
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my opinion, views both not merely as fair weather friends,
but as potential actual future enemies because of their rapidly
trending towards future Muslim caliphate status. They're just disembowing of
individual freedoms. The other thing I would point out is
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Trump is doing what no one else has been willing
to do. And that's tell me about I got time.
We're coming up with a break, but there's plenty of
time for during the break you can think about this,
and then you can text me and tell me what
did Obama do? What did Biden do? Trump's doing what
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nobody else has been willing to do. Hey, I understand
what the reality in the ground. This is Trump talking
to himself. I understand. I look around, I see this.
I'm sick of these people dying. He's got a real
bugaboo about that. I see all these people dying. I
think I know Vlad from my first term in my
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business dealings in Russia. I think I'll call Vlad and say,
you know, let's meet, let's see if we can let's
just see if there is anything that we can do.
And they cancel lunch. Oh my gosh, they cancel lunch,
and the media goes ballistic. And they kept talking for
almost four hours. And now he's summoned Zelensky and these
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European leaders to the White House. Listen, I'm bringing Zelensky,
do better show up because we're going to We we
have an opportunity to take a next step that my
be a trilateral meeting between Zelensky, Putin, and Trump. You
want to be a part of that, Get your ass
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over here.
If Tanga indeed has bought out decision that would take
over nine News, KADIEVR, Fox thirty one. Wouldn't that be interesting?
I wonder what would happen to Kyle Clark. I can
tell you, although I don't watch nine News ever, I
would not miss their propaganda and all the lives that
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they tell. Who would protect Senator Hick.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Or who would advocate for Democrats running for governor? Or
who would protect the dirt bag that tried to kidnap
the kid at sam Aurora playground on school somewhere because
he's a registered child sex offender. But we've made the
editorial decision not to publish his photo anymore. So I
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asked nine News and Chris vanderven on X, can you
explain your editorial decision? And the answer was silence, utter silence.
I promise, I'm going to move on, but I've got
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to finish one more segment about Ukraine. Why am I
spending such an inordinate amount of time on Friday's meeting
and the meetings that are going to be are scheduled
for today and who knows into this week? When you
think about world history, this is and could be a
(01:41):
defining moment that in the long term we'll look back
on and say, this is the day, so to speak,
this is the day that America came back, or we
could look back and say, oh, this is the arts
Duke Ferdinand moment that led to World War Three. It could,
(02:05):
in historical terms, be the moment that we looked because
it's we're getting not that far away from October, but
in another say what month and a half will be
in October and the Chinese Communist Party will be having
their annual congress, and there is I'm guessing, you know,
(02:26):
I'm mark the tape. I may be absolutely wrong about this,
but as of today, I believe there's a better than
fifty to fifty chance that Shijin Ping will be thrown
out as the head of the Chinese Communist Party because
the People's Liberation Army is really upset with him. Their
economy is in a shambles. He has tightened his grip.
(02:51):
He really sees himself as another MOUSEI tomb and China,
although it's still a communist country, has moved way beyond
that cultural revolution, and they now embrace consumerism, and they
now embrace to some degree the idea I can't call
it free marketing economics, but they do understand that, oh,
(03:15):
capitalism does, and you're to our benefit if we're kind
of over here participating in it to the degree that
we can. So the world is and Trump's right in
the middle of it. Trump is right in the middle
of a time when the entire world is changing and
it's difficult for us to see because and I know
(03:38):
other programs. For example, I heard Dan's promo that he's
having one of the contributors to do Better Denver on
this afternoon. That's great. You know, I'll probably go back
and listen to that, or if i'm about i'll listen
to it live. That's an incredibly important local issue. I've
got several issues here about food stamps. I've got a
(04:02):
plethora of things to talk about. But for me, this
is the number one issue that could, in a very
positive way, over periods of time, affect our lives and
could suddenly disrupt our lives in a way that we
can't even possibly imagine. And the cabal is out, and
(04:26):
I'm going to say something that I almost think the
cabal wants Trump to fail, not because they want, you know,
Putin to win, not because they want Zelenski to win.
Their overriding objective is Trump's failure, because the Democrat Party
(04:48):
right now is I mean, they're not you know, the
saying is you're on the ropes. I'm not even sure
the Democrat Party right now is on the ropes. The
Democrat Party is is desperately seeking to identify themselves. And
I've got a story that's going on about another mayoral
election not New York that shows just how bad things are.
(05:09):
So there's this huge kind of realignment going on right now,
and it's being led by Donald Trump, and he's right
smack dab in the middle of all these world affairs,
including what's going on in this country. My god, he's
the energizer bunny. It just absolutely fascinates me. So I'm
(05:30):
going to go back to face the nation because you
heard in that last SoundBite at the end of the
last hour that while you may interpret what I'm saying
as I want Zelensky to give up some territory, I
don't want him to give up any territory. But I
(05:51):
live in the real world, and the real world is
Putin occupies territory. And for people who say, oh, let's
push Putin out simply. My simple question is, Okay, how
how precisely would you do that? Because I don't think Well,
first of all, we know that Zelenski doesn't have forget
(06:14):
the armaments, just think about the man power. He doesn't
have the manpower to do that right now. For that matter,
Putin doesn't really have the manpower to proceed much further.
And I know that there are no there are no
guarantees in guarantees in life about anything other than what
(06:35):
death and taxes. I know that if there is a
land exchange, as I read that last detection the last hour, well,
what's to keep him from keep moving? Well, that's such
a shortsighted question, because part of any sort of land swap,
if there was one, I don't know that there will be.
(06:56):
But if there was one, and I'm Zelenski and I
agree to that, I'm going to turn to Trump and say,
you on behalf of all these other world leaders that
are here, because who's the leader of the world leaders,
Donald Trump? Then I have to have security guarantees Trump
(07:16):
and Rubio and all the other world leaders that are
in part of this meeting. Now, primarily the European leaders
are going to have to decide. What are those security guarantees.
Is that a NATO presence, Is that a US military
base in Ukraine? Is it business and trade deals that
(07:37):
put American workers in factories or mines or whatever it
might be to get some of the rare earth minerals
out of Ukraine. Is it an agreement with you know,
Ukraine's really the bread basket of the world. Is it
some sort of agricultural agreement. What is it? I don't
know what those security agreements are. And there's another factor
(08:00):
every person involved in all these negotiations is what mortal
Putin's not going to live forever. Putin's not going to
be the dictator of Russia forever. There are cracks in
his dictatorship, not serious cracks, not like c Jene Ping
(08:20):
has right now. But the more he continues this fight,
which he doesn't care. He does not give one twit
about how many men or women he kills in this war,
which is why I describe him as a sociopath and
the psychopath he doesn't care. So that's the reality that
(08:42):
we're dealing with now. Think about how Democrats want to
I I honestly think they don't want Trump to succeed
how in the hell if let's just play a white
if game for a moment. What if instead of Donald Trump,
(09:05):
what if either Barack Obama or Joe Biden were doing
the same things, Maybe not as you know, maybe not
as much pageantry, maybe with not as much energy. But
what if they were mechanically and philosophically doing the same
thing that Donald Trump's doing right now? What do you
(09:29):
think the cabal's response would be? What do you think
Democrats' response would be? For example, let me give you
Jason Crow and think about the question. Because Jason Crowe
followed Marco Rubio on Faced the Nation yesterday. You know,
the more I listened to Jason Crow, I've never never
(09:49):
liked him, and I never wanted to have a Democrat
representing that congressional district in Colorado. But everybody runs to
Jason Crowe simply because he he served in the military
that he is now some sort of grand expert on this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
On Ukraine, you know that the US intelligence assessment is
that the battlefield is turning in Russia's favor, despite the
fact that Putin has to rely on Iran and North
Korea to keep this thing going. Neither President Biden nor
President Trump were ever willing to commit troops. Doesn't the
(10:27):
secretary have a point that it has to be hammered
out the negotiating table.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
You know, this absolutely will end at a negotiating table,
like most conflicts will. But what happened on Friday was
a historical Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
He admits, oh, I can't say it very strongly, but well,
you know, most conflicts end up being resolved at the
negotiating table, all right, but always pay attention, as I
always say, pay attention to what's said after the.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Butt, like most conflicts will. But what happened on Friday,
it was a historic embarrassment for the United States. There's
no other way to put it. You listen to what
Marco Rubio and the President have said. They keep on saying,
they're dedicating time, they're making it a priority, They're focusing
their attention on it. In any negotiation, when you're trying
to end an armed conflict, there's nothing more important than
(11:19):
understanding what motivates your adversary, What is making Vladimir Putin
pick In this instance, Vladimir Putin does not care about
the amount of time that we're nego, where al Kaine
does does not care about a B two bomb or
fly over, does not care about a lineup of F
twenty two fighters rolled out. He doesn't care about any
of that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think he's wrong. I think that symbolism, symbolism matters inherently.
Why do dictators always use symbolism. They use symbolism to
show their people their power. They're in control, they are
(12:03):
the you know, they're the almighty odds. This tells me
that Jason Crowe is so blinded by his partisan politics
that he doesn't understand the very basics about dictatorships. They
understand that. And what Donald Trump did was he knew
that Putin understands military strength and power, so he put
(12:29):
it on display for him, and not only put it
on display for him, but caused him. Again, I go
back to the point that I'm fascinated that Putin didn't
have enough self control that he didn't look up in
the sky. But when the B two and the fighters
flew over, Putin couldn't help himself but look up. He
(12:52):
looked up, He capitulated, and then he had to walk
through that phalanx of fighter jets. If Jason Crowe thinks
that that didn't whether it impress him or not doesn't
matter to me. What matters to me is he saw
America's strength, because it's more than a B two bomber
(13:16):
flying overhead. It's that Putin knows that one of his
proxy countries, the Iranians, got the feces bombed out of
them by that kind of plane. So when he looked
up and saw that plane, he didn't just see a bomber.
(13:38):
He thought to himself, Yeah, uh huh, I know what
you did. You flew thirty six hours. You didn't have
any mechanical failures. You absolutely pulled it off, you know, flawlessly,
And that shows strength, which is what he does in
his own country, except now he saw that and strength
(14:01):
up close and personal. Jason, you really are so blinded
by your partisanship that you come across as kind of
an idiot.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
What Vadimir Putin cares about is basically three things. It
cares about economic pressure in the form of sanctions, It
cares about political and diplomatic isolation being a pariah state,
and he cares about military defeat. Those are the three
things that will in this conflict if he feels pressure
on all of those three fronts and this administration continues
to be unwilling to do anything to assert pressure in
(14:32):
any of those three areas.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
You don't know that, you don't know. In fact, it's
been it's been stated by Trump on numerous occasions, and
it's not He hasn't drawn he hasn't said where that
line is. He's drawn a red line and said yes,
there will be severe sanctions, but he hasn't said when.
He hasn't said that. You know, this equal sanctions, This
(14:57):
equal sanctions, just that if we can't get a deal
done and there will be hell to pay. So don't
equivocate that with a red line.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Like look at what happened on Friday. US military personnel
in uniform. Literally we're on their hands and knees rolling
out a red carpet for the most murderous dictator of
the twenty first century, somebody who is kidnapped and is
holding prisoner tens of thousands of Ukrainian children, somebody.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Who started this whole war. Right, this both.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Sides ism that the administration is engaging in. Both sides
seem to come to the table and negotiate.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Ukraine is the victim, they are well, nobody questions that
Ukraine is the victim. No I don't think anybody questions
that that's a red herring. We all know that Ukraine
is the victim. And insofar as grunts, if I can
(16:01):
be crude and just call them grunts, If grunts and
they're fatigues are rolling out the red carpet, well excuse me.
That's their job. That's their job. Congressman, you know, I
suppose if you show up somewhere, if you show up
out here at Buckley or Lowry, or at the Academy
(16:23):
or anywhere else, and we got a bunch of cadets
or a bunch of grunts rolling out of red carpet,
are you going to object to it? No, you'll walk right,
You'll you'll walk on the red carpet too. What a
do for this? Are the victim?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
They didn't start this war, Russia did, And somehow we
keep on acting like Vladimir Putin deserves to be brought
out into the open like any other head of state.
This is a historic embarrassment and defeat for US foreign policy.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Talk about it different. I've listened to that clip probably
four or five times now, and I've tried to put
myself in his mind the bet, why was it wrong
to show the respect to a what I've said, who
I said is a sociopath and a psychopath and is
(17:13):
a murderous invader. What else were we supposed to do
if what we're trying to do is to get him
to sit down and see to only see if there
is any room for negotiations, because prior to the meeting
actually occurring, we had no clue whether he would agree
(17:33):
to anything or not. He apparently agreed to some things
because meetings are going to take place, so there's something
for them to talk about.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Michael, are you new here?
Speaker 4 (17:46):
You're surprised that the cabal wants Trump to fail at
any cost.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I expect better out of you. I understand it's Monday,
but come on.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Slat me around a little bit. I love the fact
that she drops the you must be new here. I
know it's your favorite phrase. I love it. Now. You
mentioned something during the break when I was talking about
Jason Crowe and his objection to the pageantry. Is he
an idiot or something? Because just not a few more
(18:19):
you must be new here? Thank you? That's true. That's
true because wasn't it just a few months ago? You know,
the May Day or whatever? Ay have a May Day
parade where red square, red Square. Yeah, that's and that's
in what city, Pueblo, Grand Junction. Man, I don't think
it's in Colorado. It may be Oh yeah, Muscow, Oscow, Idaho, Moscow, Idaho. Yeah. Yeah,
(18:47):
they have a big parade. And why why why do
they have a big parade Because Putin, whoever's the dictator
of Russia, needs to show the people that he's got
the power. And look at look at them, look at
the mighty power of the Russian Federation. A lot of
(19:13):
European leaders, different shape, sizes and statues, all announced plans yesterday.
They're all going to go crowd themselves into the West
wing when Trump meets with Zelenski. Now, prior to this meeting,
I think the main question leading into the meeting did
(19:34):
center on whether the Ukrainian figurehead would wear a suit
and tie to the sit down. Well, now the question
is whether the European leaders are trying to flood the
zone in a last ditch effort to what keep the
war going. Now, the other possibility, sincerely, the other possibility
(19:58):
is that Trump really did convince your that the time
has come to end this NATO proxy war with Russia.
Now Those announcing their intent to be at the White
House include the President of the EU, Vanderley and I
never can't remember her name, Ursula, It's all I can remember.
H Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the UK, the
(20:22):
and Dragon with that looking. I'll give you a hundred
bucks if you can name the President of Finland Joseph
Oh damn it all right, I'll pay in a minute.
Alexander Stubb, Emmanuel Macrone of France, Chancellor of Germany Mertz,
the Secretary General of NATO Mark Root and now the
Italian Prime Minister Georgia Maloney. There may be others too,
(20:48):
but those are the ones I know of now. Now.
In the in the past hour, Trump has gone on
to truth social posting, going through a posting spree started
with this messy each big progress, all camps, big progress
on Russia. Stay tuned now. I don't know, maybe call
me naive. I doubt Trump would be sending out messages
(21:09):
of optimism in advance of a multinational meeting if he
really senses that it's going to be a failure. Nobody's
going to agree to anything now. Obviously, as he likes
to say, there's no deal until there's a deal where
there's no final deal in this war. They can be
reached until Zelenski, Trump and Putin all meet sometime after
(21:31):
this meeting. But today seems to be shaping up as
a very important step to getting to that next meeting.
You see, Come on, this is just a step by
step process. And I know that the Cabal has to
report on what's going on, and there's really nothing to
(21:51):
report on right now. Here's how one BBC characterized the
motivations behind the mass migration to the BBC Rights. European
leaders are trying to show Donald Trump they are crucial
to the peace deal that he craves. After what that
he craves you? Maybe you don't do this. And I
(22:20):
find sound bites or I find stories, and I'll cut
and paste this into my notes and I skimmed through it,
and then when I read it out loud, it hits me.
European leaders are trying to show Donald Trump that they
are crucial to the peace deal he craves. They don't
(22:45):
crave a piece deal. I mean, surely or surely either
one of them. Surely, I think Maloney does. I would
like to believe that Mertz in Germany really does. Finland
probably really does. But France and the UK, I'm not
(23:08):
really not so sure about. I think both. You know,
France probably doesn't want to see it because Macrone's upset
that now Trump's taken center stage. Starmer probably doesn't really
want it because he really is a true I mean,
he is a diehard liberal and although he may want
the war to continue because it allows him to try
(23:30):
to rebuild his military, which right now is just not
it is worthless. It's just, really, do you do you
unite the British military, not not the men and women,
but the force is pretty worthless. Anyway, back to the BBC,
after Washington initially ruled out the Box involvement in its
(23:50):
effort to stop the war, it seems they will be
represented as they support President Zelensky. As for Ukraine's leader,
it's a chance to make up for his disastrous last
visit to the White House, where he had a now
infamous verbal dust up with Donald Trump. Europe has had
to support the US president's decision to bypass the ceasefire. Well,
(24:12):
they also tried to convince him to get tougher with
Vladimir Putin. So they're coming because of bullying is is
that what? Well, interestingly, that's one of the arguments. Let's
go back to face the nation.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President
Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away.
That's why you have these European leaders coming as back
up tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
That's not true. But that's not why why that's not true.
They're not coming here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
That's very old.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
They're coming here tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
The television cameras where President Zelensky, Oh no, I know,
and I was just a bunch Putin where red carpet rolls.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
We've had more meetings we've had we've had We've had
one meeting with Putin and like a dozen meetings with Zelenski. So,
but that's not true. They're not coming here tomorrow to
keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're coming here tomorrow because
we've been working with the Europeans. We talked to them
last week. There were meetings in the UK over the
follow the previous weekend and they say as early as Thursday.
(25:27):
But you said that they're coming here tomorrow to keep
Zelensky for being bullied. They're not coming here tomorrow. This
is such a stupid media narrative that they're coming here
tomorrow because the Trump is going to bully Zelensky into
a bad deal. We've been working with these people for weeks,
for weeks on this stuff. They're coming here tomorrow because
they chose to come here tomorrow. We invited them to come.
We invited them to come, The President invited them to come.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Do you much shameful about that sound bite this woman
in sixteen seconds? What's absolutely said despicable and upsetting about
that sound bite?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Virtually nobody heard it because it was on the Sunday
shows on Face the Nation, which I don't know where
Face the Nation is in terms of the three network
Sunday shows. But all the people inside the Beltway heard it.
But people in Flyover Country, people out here in Communist Colorado,
(26:23):
most people in Communa's Colorado didn't hear it. You talk
about just blasting Margaret Brennan, she should be truly well,
she doesn't like it. She doesn't have the capacity to
be embarrassed, but she should be.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President
Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away.
That's why you have these European leaders coming as back
up tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Can you know that's not true? But that's not why,
why that's not true. They're not coming here tomorrow to
keep Zelenski from being bullied. They're coming here to the mark.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Of television cameras where President Zalynsky you don't. Oh, no,
I know, And I was just up in Blae with
Vladimir Putin where red carpet rolls roll were.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
This's what she's trying to do. She's trying to conflate that.
Zelensky goes into an oval office meeting in front of
the press and it deteriorates. Yet over here you rolled
out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin. Why didn't you
just punch Putin in the face when he walked down
the red carpet. Why you're just nothing but a sycophant
for Vladimir Putin. You know, these people are truly and
(27:38):
you're right, I must be I truly must be New Year,
because these people are just absolutely despicable, truly despicable.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You know, there is concern from the Europeans that President
Zelensky is going to be bullied into signing something away.
That's why you have these European leaders coming as back
up tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Can you know it is that that's not true. But
that's not why why that's not true. They're not coming
here tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
They're very over.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
They're coming here tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
The television cameras where President Lynsky.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
You don't have any meetings you have?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Oh no, I know, and I was just up and
bunch of we putin where a red carpet rolls.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
We've had more meetings we've had we've had We've had
one meeting with Putin and like a dozen meetings with Zelenski.
So that but that's not true. They're not coming here
tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're coming here
tomorrow because we've been working with the Europeans. We talked
to them last week. There were meetings in the UK
over the follow the previous weekend, and they said as
early as Thursday. But you said that they're coming here
(28:44):
tomorrow to keep Zelensky from being bullied. They're not coming
here tomorrow. This is such a stupid media narrative that
they're coming here tomorrow because the Trump is going to
bully Zelensky into a bad deal. We've been working with
these people for weeks, for weeks on this stuff. They're
coming here tomorrow because they chose to come here tomorrow.
We invited them to come. We invited them to come,
the President invited them to come.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
We'll be right back after we get Margaret Brennan a
first aid kit.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Mike.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
I just think it's really cool that we have all
these world leaders coming to visit and we actually have
a president who's looking alive and is coherent and actually
is interested in getting something done.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I could not have asked for a better talk back
than that to finish this segment. You're welcome. No, you
didn't have a damn thing to do with you, Kirk,
but I picked it. The thing to remember about all
of this with it is that with his face to
(29:46):
face meeting with Putin in Alaska on Friday, Trump did
what nobody else has been willing to do at all.
He cut the professional were amonger class out of the deal.
This is something that most of these European leaders fear
more than anything else because it shows how unimportant to
any of this they truly are. But even more panicked
by the actual direct talks between the leaders of two
(30:10):
of the three major world powers are the advisory diplomatic
class who inhabit formally influential quasi governmental groups like oh,
I don't know, the Atlantic Council, the Council and formulations
on whose boards more than what at least six former
CIA directors sent for these people never ending wars are
(30:33):
living and without the death and the displacement and all
the destruction, they got to find real jobs. So no
wonder they've all been so panicked about this, truly panicked
about this. It's surely an interesting development. And here's the
(30:54):
thing they may or may not understand about Donald Trump.
If they are to attempt to some sort of of
show of force to intimidate the President into making impossible
demands of Putin, that's an effort that's going to fail bigly.
Trump is singularly unimpressed with the direction in which the
EU and the UK are heading, and he correctly, in
(31:16):
my opinion, views both not merely as fair weather friends,
but as potential actual future enemies because of their rapidly
trending towards future Muslim caliphate status. They're just disembowing of
individual freedoms. The other thing I would point out is
(31:37):
Trump is doing what no one else has been willing
to do. And that's tell me about I got time.
We're coming up with a break, but there's plenty of
time for during the break you can think about this,
and then you can text me and tell me what
did Obama do? What did Biden do? Trump's doing what
(32:01):
nobody else has been willing to do. Hey, I understand
what the reality in the ground. This is Trump talking
to himself. I understand. I look around, I see this.
I'm sick of these people dying. He's got a real
bugaboo about that. I see all these people dying. I
think I know Vlad from my first term in my
(32:24):
business dealings in Russia. I think I'll call Vlad and say,
you know, let's meet, let's see if we can let's
just see if there is anything that we can do.
And they cancel lunch. Oh my gosh, they cancel lunch,
and the media goes ballistic. And they kept talking for
almost four hours. And now he's summoned Zelensky and these
(32:45):
European leaders to the White House. Listen, I'm bringing Zelensky,
do better show up because we're going to We we
have an opportunity to take a next step that my
be a trilateral meeting between Zelensky, Putin, and Trump. You
want to be a part of that, Get your ass
(33:06):
over here.
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