8-28-25 - 6am - Shocking Letter and Church Shooter

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning from Boyd Lake State Park near Loveland, Colorado,
South Dakota, Granpa.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Here.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm not going to hear my normal taglines for the
talk back today because there's parents and don't forget grandparents
waking up in Minnesota today that their mornings are not
going to be good and nor are there days going
to be great.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
And that's very true, very very true. It's funny because
when I heard your voice, I was going to make
fun of you because we don't care where you are.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
He's and whether or not he's always on vacation.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
He's always on vacation.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Well, when you're retired, you can do that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
But he likes to call in the here and say
hello from you know, north of South Dakota. I'm actually
in I don't know, Disneyland. I just wanted to call
it from you. All you suckers out there are still working.
I just wanted to say hi to you. I want
to do something that I I don't think I in fact,

(01:06):
in almost twenty years of radio, I've never done this
my entire life. But every once in a while I
would say maybe a couple of times a year, three
times a.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Year at most, Yeah, I saw where it came from.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I get a letter like this, and I immediately I
don't immediately open, but I, you know, I eventually open
it and I start to read the letter. And generally
the letter is so outlandy, crazy, razy, I mean crazy,
and it's also written in you know, chicken scratch, and

(01:43):
it's hard to read. And I get through the first
sentence and I realized that do doo, do doo, do doo,
and I just kind of tossed it aside. And it's
probably in my desk out there and in a collection
of other letters like this. So I received one to
or just as data. It's postmarked August sixteenth.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Hey, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's dam good.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
That's pretty good for this building.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
For the USPS, and for iHeartMedia. This is a record.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
We got it in the same month.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yes, in the same month, in the same year, which
is astonishing. So postmark August sixteen.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
And for those that are curious, you're more than welcome
to send us any letter you want to four six
ninety five South Monico Street in Denver, Colorado, eight two
three seven.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
So you have have fun with that, yeah, yeah, And
you know, I would simply ask that in this thing
and now you'll understand in the.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Middle to get it. So just don't expect us to
get it in a timely.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Manner, right yeah, don't don't expect us to respond, you know,
like if you may, let's say, from you know, Greenwood
Village or you know, the post office over here somewhere,
don't expect us see it for at least a couple
of months.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah. Yeah, if you're you're gonna send us some righte bananas, well.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Don't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
It would be interesting, you know, we should try to
strike it. I'd be willing to spend the eight dollars
or eighteen dollars or whatever it is to go down
to let's just say Castle Rock some day when I'm
getting I'd get my haircut in Castle Rock. From camp
someday when I'm down there, there's a post office, I'll
send a priority mail, not not express mail. I'll send

(03:20):
a priority mail, which is what two three days something
like that, And then let's see how long it actually
takes for it to end up at here on the
desk because we no longer In fact, it was a
couple of days ago I saw the postman downstairs, and
I stopped because I did as many times as I
walked past it. On you as your face in the
elevators to the right. Did you know there's a box?

(03:43):
There's mail boxes there.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Oh yeah, they're like the like PO boxes.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, like real po boxes down there. Which there there
must be. I'm guessing twenty four of them six, no,
probably thirty six of them six by six.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I think that was prior to Clear Channel taking the building,
because the building used to be a school, so they had.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh it was I didn't realize that like a multi
story school or did they raise it and build this
multi okay, but private school like a public.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
School sounded like a higher learning something wrong? Oh okay,
well that's interesting. Well, so I guess I just never
paid attention to that. Those boxes were paying attention.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
So I saw him opening several other them putting mail in.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Oh really, I've never seen them used.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'd never seen them used either. But then I was
fascinated because I never understood where Chris who puts the
mail out on the table just for us to dig
through and see what's there? I never understod where she
got it. I thought they brought brought out up here
in one of those bins, right.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
I figured it was just the white tubs.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's just which is still probably true. In fact, they
may go back behind. They may have a key to
go behind that. I don't know he was. He was
putting mail in from the front, but he was putting
mail in different slots. And that'sought. I don't have a
mail slot. Who hasn't. I mean, there's only there are
only two companies in this entire.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Building, exactly. Yeah, so more two in the floor three
and four. Right back in the day when I used
to work at the front desk here and with with
Corey and the male people would come in, they just
literally drop off, just drop off the bin, and then
we at the front desk would sort it out.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
In fact, oftentimes there there would be more than one bin,
oh yeah. And then there were occasionally and Corey, bless
her heart, would let me sometimes just she'd say, yeah,
you got mail back there, and she just let me
go right back there and just get it myself because
she'd be busy. She trusts me not to steal other
people's mail, But I get some people weren't trusted to
steal other people's wail.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
We had to take you know, logs of all. I mean,
you gotta think of it. Though some of it was
promotional material. That is, it's sent to you know a
lot of the third floor with books and DVDs and
writings of that nature, so some of it had value
to it. It's not like you know, jail mail.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Right, and speaking of from ocean material, jelly roll on
the third floor is maybe we should get this as
a prize. But in that little storeroom where I sometimes
sneak to get the popcorn on the Saturdays to have popcorn,
you know, a little room down there around the corner,
there's a big jelly roll cut out down there. Oh,

(06:19):
we should put that up here sometimes just once to
see if anybody misses it, and just put it in here,
just you know, kind of as a joke. I get
a letter from the Colorado Department of Corrections and there's
a cover letter oh with the letter Oh, it's all handwritten.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I did notice the name on it. The name was
not a name that I'm not going to give it
both and it's not a name that I would have
expected from a department of correction, right.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
It is from a female, mister Brown. I'm sending this
letter to as many people I can think of to
try and get some help here at the him into prison.
I hear that Michael Brown minute on Freedom ninety three seven.
I listened to Glenn Beck at work in the morning. Well, sweet,

(07:09):
are we going to fix that? I listened to Glenn
Beck at work in the morning. I hope you'll take
the time to consider the problem of men being housed here.
Any attention you could bring to the issue would be welcome.
Thank you for your time. Name in her correction number. Now,
I'm not going to read this is I've now read

(07:33):
the entire letter. It's three pages long, handwritten. I honestly
I'm not going to read the entire letter, but I
just I don't know what I'm going to do with this.
But I'm going to find out if maybe Brian Moss
or somebody got a letter like this, and if he hasn't,

(07:55):
then I'll pass it on to him. I'm writing this
letter today and hope so. And I want to say
that this is now there are a couple as I
read it, there are a couple of acronyms that I
don't know what they mean. There are a few places
where when you consider that this is a if you
can see it, dragon three page handwritten, single space online paper.

(08:19):
So at least the lines are straight, so it is space,
so it is readable, which is the number one problem
I have with letters that I generally get from crazy
people writ you just can't understand.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Line to paper is great, Thank yous to that, and
then legible handwriting it is even betiful.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I'm writing this letter today in hopes of bringing attention
to the continued abuse and writes violations. Now, if at
first glance, when I get a letter like this, it
usually goes on to talk about how I was wrongfully convicted.
I'm innocent. You know they're out to get me. The

(08:59):
they're the DA buried evidence. I mean, every possible excuse,
bull crap, excuse that I've heard in my entire practice
of law that I've heard from criminal defendants is usually
included in these letters, and I honestly just toss them aside,
because well, there's plenty of public defenders and if you

(09:21):
really believe that somebody is burying evidence, then you know,
good luck. I'm not going to spend my time on it.
I reminding this letter today in hopes of bringing attention
to the continued abuse and rights violations of biological females
in the Colorado Department of Corrections something like oh a lot,

(09:43):
Just like in places across the country, biological men are
being placed in women's prisons and creating an unsafe environment
for biological females. Most women offenders, including myself, have been
the victims of violence at the hands of men as
a result of a lot. As a result, a lot
of us, including myself, suffer from severe anxiety and PTSD.

(10:08):
Our facility DWCF. If anybody out there knows what is that,
the Denver Women's Correctional Facility, I'm trying to make it.
I'm trying to understand what the acronym stands for. Our facility.
DWCF houses several male offenders with violent crimes and sex
offenders who are and have been hurting the women here.

(10:33):
We live in fear of these violent male offenders, but
also of retaliation from DWCF. We are told to be
quiet and accept these conditions or be considered quote anti
trans close quote.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
And yes, when I search out the WC DWCF Colorado,
it does come up with Denver Women's Correctional Facility.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Where is this? Do you know where? It is. Do
you have an address? Can you find an address?

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, thirty six hundred Havana Street.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Okay, would you do you mind texting that to me?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I may actually go visit this woman. I don't want
to get I don't want to spill over into journalism
because or investigative journalists. I'm not going to do that,
But having read this entire letter, I'd like to go
meet this woman. We are told to be quiet and
accept these conditions or be considered quote anti trans close quote,

(11:31):
and we are punished if we speak up. If we
don't want to live with a biological man, we are
punished by being removed from our housing. If we speak
on our religious beliefs that men cannot be women, we
are threatened with pr ea. I'm sure that's some sort
of punishment. Our knights as women, our rights as women

(11:53):
to have safe space to heal and be be rehabilitated
into better people for society have been eroded. Several men
or transgender women have abused, bullied, or harassed the women here,
and it has been ignored, and we are under constant
threat of retaliation by staff. I cannot stress enough the

(12:15):
fear we all have to report or even express these
things to staff, case managers, or even mental health or
even mental health something I myself would prefer to remain
anonymous if possible, for fear being moved to other women's
facilities across the state and retaliation because I would lose

(12:38):
my high paying job, my support people, and my mental
health team. I will, however, risk that if necessary because
somebody missing word, because someone has to stand up and speak.
Efforts are being made by some of us. A lawsuit

(12:58):
has been filed with and I'm not going to cite
the case, but I'm going to look up the case number.
But we aren't optimistic. As biological men have been prioritized
over us to our detriment. How are we as women
to get the help we need when we are made
to feel like our voices, our trauma, our safety don't matter,

(13:19):
to be triggered and forced to relive past abuse every day.
I myself am part of the sex offender treatment program
and have, as a part of my behaviors leading to
my crime, been the victim of rape and further abuse

(13:40):
by my co defendant. I have expressed my concerns in
fear of male sex offenders being housed here and have
been lectured instead of heard. I was told my beliefs
were wrong, and instead of listening, they just tried to
convince me that men can be women, and that is
something I know to be untrue. I was told I

(14:02):
was in fact violating their rights if I didn't believe this,
that I was misgendering them. I've also been told that
these male sex offenders should and could be in our
treatment classes. I was told I would have no say
or choice in this, despite my feelings that I would
be unable to process with that I would be unable

(14:26):
to process with a man present. I'm not sure what
this means. My only option would be to quit treatment
and be programmed non compliant, losing my job, housing and
the help I need. I was left hopeless and made
to feel like a bigot for feeling unsafe. I don't
know how myself or other female offenders in this program

(14:46):
are supposed to get the treatment of help we need
in the presence of male offenders, and they in what
should be a safe space. This letter is just the
tip of the iceberg. I'm just one woman willing to
risk it all for the rights and safety of the
biological women here at DWCF. We really need any help
or attention to this issue that you could provide, as

(15:11):
we are made helpless by the policies of this facility
and the something political climate in Denver and in Colorado.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, and
if you need any more information from me, don't hesitate
to reach out. See something about paroles soon. But I

(15:33):
will be taking this issue with me as I believe
very short, strongly that women, real women, have a right
to be safe and heard. Our rights matter, our rights
matter too, our feelings matter, and most important, we have
a right to be safe. We will not suffer in
silence anymore. Thank you, signed again, If possible, I'd like

(15:55):
to remain anonymous.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
That other acronym that you pointed out, a pr EA
is a Prison Rape Eliminations Act. It refers to how
these facilities correct or address issues related to sexual violence.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Are you astoanded by this as I am.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Am I shocked that that kind of thing is going on.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, no, no, I'm a standard one at how articulate
it is. This is an anomaly among prison letters correct
two everything that we talk about that I guess maybe
maybe I was naive thinking that you know, does this

(16:37):
go in on in New York, or in Chicago or
in Los Angeles? Sure, what's going on right here?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
No offense to the letter, no offense to the person
in the letter. But why wouldn't it be happening here?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well, I guess, I guess I just don't want to
believe that we're really that bad. I guess in that sense,
I want to think that this whole transgender bull crap
is limited to and now I really will say ad name,

(17:09):
is limited to these radical blue states. And here's the
evidence that we are as a radical blue state as
I've kind of thought but didn't want to believe.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
You must be new here.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I know it's absolutely astonishing. Governor or your pimple fay
staff that monitors radio programs. You ought to be aware
of this, and you ought to be asking what the
eft's going on? And I mean, I know prisons are hellholes,

(17:44):
and I know that there are rights violated all the time,
and I know that people are mistreated. I get all
of that. But if if I were the governor of
this state, of course some of you it would never happen.
But if I were the governor of this state, this
is the kind of thing that leadership says, or should
be saying, we will not tolerate. And why are we

(18:09):
capitulating to this mental illness of transgenderism and putting someone
that just cut because they claim that they are a
woman and they still have a penis, We're putting them
in a women's facility. Absolutely absurd, right, frankly criminal and
probably a violation of our civil rights. Thank you for

(18:30):
the letter.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Good morning, Michael. That letter was heartbreaking and I am,
as a woman, a real woman, completely offended when I
see a dude dressed up like a woman calling himself
a her. So it is they're trying to erase women.
They remove any feminine wording when it comes to us,

(18:52):
and it is absolutely just outrageous. I have no words.
I'm so irritated, and Polis won't do anything about it
because those are his people. It is, you're right, absurd,
beyond absurd, mind boggling.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, there's no other way to describe it. It truly
is mind boggling, and it is it Sometimes we forget
the genuine meaning of words, and absurd is a word
that gets used so much because it's so commonly used

(19:30):
that you forget what it really means absurd, an aguitive,
wildly unreasonable, illogical, inappropriate, arousing amusement or derision, ridiculous, that
is what it is. And to those of you who

(19:50):
have sent text messages in yes, as I was thinking
about going to see her, I realize, well, you have
to assume that I mean, I could go out and
to say that, you know, hey, I mean, I mean,
as much as I'd like to think that I'm famous,
I'm not famous. And I could go out there and
I could just say that, hey, I'm a friend and

(20:12):
I want to visit with so and so and you know,
and I go out their own visitor's day or something.
But I also recognize that that is a risky proposition.
If I could find some way.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Which.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
If you have suggestions of some way of communicating with
her or getting more information that doesn't put her in
jeopardy from or for retaliation or anything, then please I'm
all ears let me know. And as I said, I
probably will reach out to someone like Brian Moss and

(20:54):
just say hey, listen, maybe you've already received this letter.
But I find that I know, again, I'm not gonna
be naive in the sense that does this stuff go
on in prison. Yes, but I'm just tired of that
bull crap. I'm tired of it, Which is a good
lead in to what I was originally going to first

(21:15):
start talking about this morning, and that is that, for
the second time in two years, a deranged transgender individual
has committed a mass shooting at a Christian school in
this country. Like Audrey Hale, Robin Westman identified as transgender.

(21:41):
He once attended the school that he attacked. I didn't
know that until Tim and I were driving to dinner
last night and there was someone talking about because Tara said,
there's something else going on, you know, being a school counselor,
She's like, there's something else going on, because you know,
the kid's mother when he was in junior high I think,

(22:03):
or much younger, went through all the process to have
his name legally changed because he identified as a girl.
So Robert became Robin, and of course that sends her
hackles up. You know, there's something mentally wrong there. And
then she raises the other question that is very uncomfort

(22:25):
uncomfortable to raise, and that is sexual abuse. Not alleging that,
but you have to wonder, was this person sexually abused
not in relation to the shooting, but in relation to
as a teenager or pre pubescent person suddenly identifying as
a woman, you can't help but think that there was

(22:47):
some sexual abuse going on. So yesterday he murdered two children,
injured seventeen more people at the Annunciation Catholic School. He
chose to target the churches or the schools mourning mass before,

(23:08):
of course, he turned the weapon on himself to commit suicide.
And I said, and I'll say it to you too,
I don't care what people think. I'm sorry he committed
suicide because I would rather see him go through get
his constitutional rights to a fair trial, and if convicted,

(23:33):
be sent to a prison where he would be raped
and beat and eventually probably killed, because I think that's
what he deserved. So that to offend you, then, maybe
out of change channels before he attacked those kids or
attacked the school, he posted YouTube videos, you know, showcasing

(23:56):
firearms ammo. And of course he had a manifesto. They've
always he's got a manifesto. Are we at some point
going to realize that perhaps this phenomenon is an absurd
mental illness? The weapons he used, handwritten messages killed Donald Trump?

(24:19):
Where's your God for the children, and of course a
bunch of anti Semitic things too. A journal posted on
a video reverences mass shootings and gunmen. The video depicts
a person, apparently Robin Westman, saying that I'm sorry to

(24:40):
my family, but not the children. F the children, a
person believed to be him displayed a portrait of Christ
placed atop a bullet ridden target. He allegedly recorded another
video showing off hand drawn diagrams of the interior of
the church in a spiral bound journal, which he then

(25:04):
forcibly force a force of forcefully would be the better word,
forcefully stabs with a knife. Now, in the face of
overwhelming and compelling evidence of his anti Christian, anti Semitic
hatred and in light of his transgenderism, Minneapolis officials are

(25:27):
claiming they're still trying to figure out the motive. Uh really,
what kind of dumb maths are you? And then the
mayor Jacob Frey chose, after the killing of these children

(25:48):
to mock the faith, fuming that don't just say this
is about thoughts and prayers right now, oh mayor, trust me,
you dirt bag those parents of the deceased children, of

(26:11):
the injured children, and of the survivors, the teachers, the faculty,
the staff, everyone that has any connection to that church
will need thoughts and prayers in addition to very intensive counseling.
This is something they will live with for the rest

(26:32):
of their lives, and it can damage them and it
will be always a black spot in their soul. So
bite my ass when you say, don't say this is
just about thoughts and prayers right now. They need the
healing of Christ. That's exactly what they need. And yet,

(26:57):
despite the deflection of political leadership, there were heroes. It
was heartbreaking to hear a child, a child who sounded
like I don't know, six seven years old, talking about

(27:21):
how his friend thought his friend, his friend was laying
on top of him covering him and he realized that
his friend had been shot in the back and saying
something to the effect that he was trying to save me. Holy,

(27:45):
holy crap. I'm not a Catholic at all, but the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph four h nine speaks
to the nature of the evil from which the Twin
Cities and those families are reeling at this moment. The

(28:08):
whole of man's history has been the story of dour
combat with the powers of evil stretching, so our Lord
tells us, from the very dawn of history until the
last day. Finding himself in the midst of the battlefield,
man has to struggle to do what is right, and
it is at great cost to himself and aided by

(28:29):
God's grace, that he succeeds in achieving his own enter integrity.
This world seems to be just descending ever deeper into darkness,
and Christians should and would be the first to assert
the prayer is the lifeline to the creator and the
sustainer of the universe, even when, for reasons that are

(28:54):
completely beyond our comprehension, evil has its day. People of
faith are deeply convicted that we serve a God who
has entered into our suffering, who cries with us, calls
us to demand justice for the fallen, and our response
and tragedy is to find an opportunity for kindness, for truth,

(29:18):
and for inner integrity. And we've risen to this challenge
and I think we will again. Politicians absolutely, just shut
up and sit down. You have nothing to say here,
and whatever you do have to say here, I don't
want to hear.

Speaker 5 (29:41):
But you will next, Hey Michael, good morning. Kuber number
eight zero five zero. The new going postals now can
be changed to don't go training on me, have a
great day.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
We at some point have to recognize that. And I'll
get into this. It's it's it's transgenderism. And I think
probably we're going to find at some point we're going
to find some problems with medication. Mark my words, we'll
find some problems with medication. In the meantime, what's the

(30:22):
first thing that Senator Amy Klobisher, a Democrat senator from Minnesota,
what does she come out with just this morning, she's already.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
Senator of some of these parents, were all parents around
this table. You drop your child off at school the
first day. There's a photograph that's really hit a lot
of people where you have a mom who's taken off
her shoes to sprint toward the school down that street, praying,
hoping that her child is No.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Wait minute, she's praying. I thought the mayor told us
that we were beyond thoughts and prayers. Yet you know
that mom is praying.

Speaker 6 (30:58):
Not among the shots or god forbid, among the dead.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
So let's talk practically.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
And we've had this conversation for what I don't know,
twenty years now together about these morning after? What can
leadership do? What can your body the Senate do to
step in and help this The person who carried out
this shooting, the warning signs were all over the place
on YouTube, on social media, legally purchased three guns very recently,

(31:25):
according to police, had more guns.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
At home as well. What more can be done from where.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
You legally purchased the guns. Let me just throw a
thought bomb out there. What if transgenderism, which I believe
is signs of a psychological problem or a quote mental
issue as is defined by psychiatrists and psychologists, but we

(31:54):
actually recognize it as a mental illness, then he would
not be in idle to purchase those guns, are you, Senator?

Speaker 7 (32:05):
Well, I'm so tired of some of my colleagues who
won't stand up and vote for some stricter national gun standards.
And this will not hurt hunters. We're proud hunting state
of Minnesota. But it's not one size fits all for
every shooting. You look at Uvaldi, you look at Buffalo,
you look at Connecticut, Florida. Some common threads better.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
But common I do won't know what the common threads are.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
Background checks triggers if a number of guns are purchased
at once, triggers on age, triggers on assault weapons, and
one of the guns.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
You know, I can make a smart ask tomment about
her using the word trigger seems to be kind of
is that subliminal? What's that about?

Speaker 7 (32:50):
There was a pistol, a shotgun, and a rifle used,
all legally purchased in this case, but I believe they're
one of them. The rifle was some kind of a weapon.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
And talking to.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
The parents gathered there, including friends of mine, former employees
who I'm close to, that had kids in that room.
One had three kids, watched two of her friends get shot,
one in the stomach, one in the neck. These parents,
of course, are focused, and they're focused on guns, as
has happened in the past. But I remember one of
the Connecticut parents saying to me, you know, we had

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the courage, through our grief that she'd lost her son
to come to Washington as the day the background check
bill went down to do this, and we're advocating for
a bill we know wouldn't have saved our babies because
the guns were in the home in that place. But
we know it'll save other kids. Why don't these people
have the courage to stand up and vote for it.

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We know what's worked in other countries, we know what
could work online to check for some of these things,
and yet everyone is just stymied. And I am personally
just about had it with how you can imagine that
could be your kid in that church, your kid in
that school,