8-4-25 - 6am - Do Better Denver Article is Out and Public Broadcasting Funding

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, good morning, Micha or Michael.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Great, googley, mooglie.

Speaker 3 (00:04):
What do you think we're supposed to be screaming about
this week?

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Have a groovy day, groovy, We're gonna have a groovy
day to day. What are we gonna scream about? Well,
the first thing I want to do is direct you
over to my ex account at Michael Brown USA. If
you're not following me over there, you should be. And
if you have it, well, shame on you, because you

(00:30):
would have already read. Even if you are not a
subscriber to the Denver Compost, you would have already read
the unbelievably scathing, horrible just if this rating. He just oh,
such amazing investigative reporting by the Denver Compost about the

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online account. Do better, Denver. Somebody I didn't do it.
Somebody else did, went onto the wayback machine and got
the archive copy of the story and posted it to
their ex account. They happened to be one of my followers,
so before I even had a chance to figure out

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a way to do it, they did it for me,
and so I was able to read the article and
it was a big yawn, total big yawn for one thing.
I mean There are probably several things in there I
could talk about, but I almost spend a lot of
time on this, and I'll tell you why in just
a minute. The thing that stuck out to me the

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most was a statement that the reporter had gone to
the Denver Police Department and asked about their interaction with
at Do Better Denver, and the Denver Police Department's response
was based upon guidance. And the word they used was

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guidance based upon from Denver Mayor Mike Johnston's office, the
Denver Police Department will no longer interact with Do Better Denver.
Now what would normally happened. It happened a lot, and
I actually thought it was a public service, and I
thought the Denver Police Department was doing the right thing

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by interacting with other people on social media. If, for example,
I don't have a specific example in front of me,
but if, for example, either do Better Denver themselves or
someone who was you know, offering them information had seen
some you know, activity going on with the Denver Police Department,

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and maybe they had you know, some fentanyl, you know,
bag of pills, and you know, some tweaker laying on
the street, and they had ambulances and squad cars and
lights or flashing and you know, the typical things you
might see on a regular news program. Do better for

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Denver would put that on their account and then ask, hey,
Denver Police, you know, at Denver Police Department, what's going
on here? You know, why why all the activity? We
care to explain? I mean some generic now, I mean
not anything that was you know, kind of passive aggressive,
not that was asserted, but just hey, look at this,

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what is this? And the Denver Police Department would respond
and explain, you know, on you know, in the typical
kind of public information PIO. Well, a subject was apprehended
on for August at you know, thirteen oh five, you
know o'clock and blah blah blah, and at the corner

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of blah blah blah and such and such was arrested
and you know, being held in blah blah. Maybe, yeah,
some basic information. What I found fascinating is that the
Mayor's office and the word guide is the language that
caught my attention. Based on guidance from the Mayor's office.
Let me interpret that for you. Based on orders from

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the Mayor's office, the Denver Police Department has been told
not to interact with do Better Denver. So the long
story short, you can read that on my ex account.
It's I'd encourage you to read it, because I know

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when you're not accustomed, when you think you're doing something
that is good, you think you're doing it the right way.
But simply because you have your own job, you have
your own life, you really want to, you know, make
these things public yet anonymously. I have zero problem with that,

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because unlike those of us who have obviously been in
the public eye and have been eviscerated at times by
the media, I really don't give a ratsass about the meeting.
I just don't care about the cabal. You want to
you wanna come and take me on, come on, let's
get it on. We'll we'll we'll go out back and
we'll have a we'll have a little verbal rumble or
whatever you want. Fine with me, I don't care. But

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if you're not accustomed to that, and you're not accustomed
to having camera shoved in your face, or a reporter
knocking on your door, or finding freedom of information or
in this case, tell about Open Records Act request, then
it tends to make you nervous. And I think the
nervousness is because of the unknown. You don't know what

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they're going to write. I mean, this is true for
anybody across anywhere around the country. You don't know what
they're going to write, and you're nervous about it. And
oftentimes I mean I remember having a conversation with a
friend of mine who is who works in this building.
That's all I'll say, who works in this building who

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one time said something that somebody took offense to and
made a complaint to management. And this person was all
upset worried about it, I mean actually panicked about it
and texted me and said, hey, can you know, can
we get together? I'm really worried about this. So I
sat down with them and listened to it, and I thought,
take a deep breath, don't don't interact, don't respond, just

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ignore it. It'll go away. And even but it doesn't
go away, you've done nothing wrong. Would you say the
same thing again? Yes, well, then quit worrying about it.
So I got them off the edge, get them off
the ledge, and everything was fine. But if you're not
accustomed to that, just like that friend of mine, they're like, oh,

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what do I do? What do I do, And I'm
certain that do Better Denver and the person behind Do
Better Denver felt that way, and I do know for
a fact they were on vacation last week, but both
their ex account and their Instagram account have been blowing
up with new fault followers. Thank you Denver post they've been.

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They've got a lot of new people contributing things, so
there have been a lot of new posts put up.
And I was asked by a friend of theirs to
call them, so I called and left a message, unbeknownst
at the time that they were on vacation. Plus I
was certain that they wouldn't answer and pick up anyway,

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because if I were them, I'd be screening phone calls too.
I wouldn't want to get a reporter on the phone,
so I'd be screening the phone calls too. But nonetheless,
I called left a message, and then the story came out,
and I'm just I have really nothing else to say
until I hear back from them and we decide kind
of what our next steps are going to be. And
I say we, I've just offered my help whatever I

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can do to help them. So that's do Better Denver.
Something else that happened since the show ended on Friday
is that the Corporation for Public Broadcasting announced Friday that
they will begin an orderly wind down of its operations
and eventually shut down, effectively ceasing to exist as an organization. Now.

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The stated reason for the closure is the loss of
federal funding, and they've lost federal funding following a series
of legislative actions led by President Trump and the Republicans
in the Congress. Specifically, here's what happened. Congress passed a
pasted a nine billion dollar recisions package in July that

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included a one point one billion dollar cut to the
Corporation for Public Broadcasting's funding for fiscal years twenty six
and twenty seven. I made a note of this on
my ex account again at Michael Brown USA. Go follow
me right now. I made a note that if if
you cannot survive but for taxpayer money, and yet you're

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operating over here in the private sector, and you would
have failed but for taxpayer funding, maybe the widget or
the service that you're providing should die. Businesses are born
and die every single day in this country. It's called
the free market. People have ideas. Some ideas succeed, Some
ideas fail and that kind of that kind of destruction

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that goes about is actually good because it means that
the best survive, the losers lose, and we end up
with better widgets, better services because of this constructive destruction
that goes about. The Center Appropriations Committees their FY twenty

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six budget bill, released July thirty first, excluded funding for
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting for the first time in
over fifty years. The defunding was driven by claims from
Trump and some Republicans that public media, including NPR MPBS,
exhibit a liberal bias and they represent an unnecessary use

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of tax payer money. Now they do exhibit a liberal bias,
and I don't care whether they continue to exhibit their
liberal bias. But do it with your own money. Do
it with your sponsors. Go out and get sponsors, just
like we do. Figure out a way to fund your

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operation so you can spouse your liberal biases, just like
we find sponsors, so I can spouse my conservative, right
of center point of view and get you to think
about things from a different perspective, and so live and
die by that, just like we do. And then what
was interesting, despite the efforts by millions of Americans. There

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were millions of Americans that came to the defense of
the Corporation for Public Bike Broadcasting. Nonetheless, the recision went through,
the budget touch went through, and the organization said it
had no choice but to close because of the lack
of financial resources to continue operations. In other words, you
were producing a product that survived solely because taxpayers were

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funding you. So you were forcing me to fund something
that I don't support. If if I don't support King
Soupers and I go to Safeway, that's the free market.
But if you force me to go to Safeway instead
of King Supers or vice versa anyway because you give

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me the money, that that's not a free market and
I should have that choice, just as you should have
the choice Corporation for Public Broadcasting that if you want
to espouse a liberal point of view about whatever topic
is in the news, then you ought to go find
sponsors or who are willing to sponsor you to get

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you to do that and go survive on your own.
This is going somewhere, and it's going to eventually get
back to an article that I read on Complete Colorado.
But before we get there, I want you to think
about how the Corporation for Public Broadcasting supports local public

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radio and television stations. And they do that primarily through
funding and resources that enable them to deliver what they
describe as educational, cultural, and informational programming to all these
communities across the country. This is how they support these stations.
The first way is by financial grants. They're called community

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service grants. Now I want you to think about the
absurdity of this. So taxpayers get forceably taken out of
their paychecks or out of their brokerage accounts, or their
four oh one ks or the sale of their home. However,
they you know, whatever kind of income that you finally earn,

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you get forcibly taxed on that. And then they tax
they take those dollars, and if you don't support Corporation
for Public Broadcasting, well it sucks to be you, sucks
to be me. They still take my tax dollars and
they use it to support that. So they give funding
to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which then turns around

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and takes your tax dollars and allocates grants essentially tax
dollars to eligible public radio and television stations. That is,
in essence, the money laundering that I've been talking about
with respect to immigration, with respect to energy, with respect
to almost any number of things. That's the money laundering

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scheme that exists throughout the government. So for this fiscal year,
fiscal year twenty twenty five, CBP C CBP CEPB distributed
more than three hundred and forty three million dollars in
community service grants to more than four hundred public radio
stations and one hundred and seventy public television stations. The

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amount that every station got was based on factors like
market size, audience reach, and non federal funding raised. So
it was actually a distancinging. The more local money you raised,
the less money you got from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
So it seems to me that they were holding the

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money bags over here and telling you to well, you
raised a million dollars from your local sponsors, so we're
going to give you a million dollars less. What a scam,
What an utter scam. Then there was the something called
the Rural and Minority Station Support. The Corporation for Public

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Broadcasting prioritized funding for stations that serve rural, minority and
underserved communities. What rule is I understand what minority is,
but what's an underserved community? Because, for example, Colorado Public Radio,
you can pick up almost anywhere in the Denver metropolitan

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statistical area, so you're serving Greenwood Village and Highlands Ranch
at the same time that you're serving five points. How
do you determine that you're serving an underserved community. It's
just utterly insane. And then there's programming support. The Corporation
for Public Broadcasting would fund the development and the distribution

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of certain content for both radio and television. For radio,
that included supporting National Public Radio and all the independent
producers who produce all the programs like you know, the
Morning Edition or All Things Considered, which then the local
stations can air, so they produce the programs and then
they kind of feed them out, they kind of syndicate
them out to the local stations. For television, the CPB

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supported Public Broadcasting Service U the PBS programming such as Nova,
Frontline and things like Sesame Street. And they didn't they
even do things like fund regional and local content creation,
and that would enable the stations to produce programming tailored
to their community needs, you know, local news, cultural events,
educational and the initiative. Oh that bull crap. So the

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Corporation for Public Broadcasting provides grants for upgrading equipment, maintaining
the broadcast infrastructure, transitioning to digital technologies, and that which
is a critical need. And they would focus a lot
of that on rural stations that had limited budgets. That
would ensure that they can maintain their reliable signals and

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they could modernized their operations. What if I could get
a public Corporation for Public Broadcasting grant to modernize this studio?
You know, why not? I'm serving a public interest, I'm
serving an underserved community, I'm serving a minor community, I'm
serving all the you know, so why not me? They

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would do training in professional development. I mean, it's a
it was a full service thing. They would offer resources
to train station staff in areas like don't laugh, but
in areas like journalism, they would train them in it
says journalism. I did a little research to come up
with the different things, and one of the areas was journalism.

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I think they meant to use the word propaganda, but
we'll use the term journalism. And then how to do
how to produce programs, and then how to do fundraising?
And of course emergency and community services. They support the
emergency alert system, but you know, so do we. But
you know, we we pay for that, and you know,
but taxpayers pay for it for everybody else. The funding

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for FY twenty twenty five for everything that I just
described was about five hundred and thirty five million dollars.
That is a significant portion of most stations budgets, especially
for smaller or rural stations, where rural stations where it
can account for anywhere between thirty and fifty percent of

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their entire operating budget. Now in an urban area it
might count for ten to fifteen percent of the budgets.
But they still benefit from the programming, they've still benefit
from all the infrastructure support. So what's going to happen
then if Colorado Public Radio and the local PBS stations,

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who's that funding? Well, that's where it gets really interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
PBS, NPR and its member stations have been saying they
have been defunded but not defeated, and they're pressing on.
But the fans of those respected outlets come across as
if they have not only been defunded but defeated. You're

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right about the left and big government, as you stated
on your weekend program last weekend.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, that's they're they're they're all intertwined. And what I
find interesting about your comment is they're they're supporters. Well,
the Corporation for Public Broadcasting says that or did say
on Friday, that they are eventually going to go out
of business. Now that could be all part of a

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ploy to you know, find some big foundation or some
other you know, corporation to come in and give them,
you know, to replace the three hundred five hundred million
dollars that they get from taxpayers, because I can't imagine
that all of those people earning all of those salaries

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are going to go away quietly. So they're going to
tend to try to somehow, you know, hang on until
the midterms, hoping that you know, Democrats will take control
and they can get that funding restored. These people don't
go away easily. They're cockroaches. They persist. Well that was

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Hillary Clinton, Remember Hillary said she persists, We persist, Well,
persist all you want to. So now you understand that
they take taxpayer dollars and then they issue grants for
programming training in journalism, which is a joke, adoption of

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new technologies, blah blah blah blah. They do all of this,
But I ran across when did josh But this this
was put up yesterday and it's over it complete Colorado.
The headline is Colorado public Media remains on the local
taxpayer doll And I want to go through It's a

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lot of the story's not shocking to me until he
gets into some of the details and then am I like, WHOA.
I want to make sure you know this. He starts
out by saying that Republicans finally got to the holy
grail of media bias, defunding federal support for public radio
and television to the tune at one point one billion dollars.

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Congress in July passed a bill rescinding the next two
fiscal years appropriations for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, something
that conservatives had been seeking since at least the mid
nineteen nineties. Yes, we finally get a president that actually
gets through and does what he says that he's going
to do. He then goes through several paragraphs about the

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history of you know, the attempts to defund But then
Joshua gets to this still on the taxpayer doll He says,
but fear not talk about a public broadcast fans. There's
still plenty of taxpayer money going there. It's just not
coming from the federal government, at least not directly. If

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we take a look at the very long list of
Colorado Public radio sponsors, we see a large number of corporations,
but also a large number of the municipal guilt you know. Now,
I just want to say right now, for those of
you that are listening outside of the state of Colorado.
You live in Wisconsin, you're listening in Texas, you're listening

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in Florida, Illinois, wherever you might be, the same is
true for you. You need to find a good reporter, someone
that will dig into this like Joshua has and find
out and expose what's going on in your state. Because
this is the money laundering scheme that I've talked about.

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But it's even worse than I thought when I think
about how this money laundering is operating, because Joshua, it's this.
If we take it look at the very long list
of CPR sponsors, we see a very large number of corporations,
but also a large number of municipal governments, government agencies,

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public schools, of public school union, public colleges, universities, and
government enterprises. He counted more than fifty such sponsors. They
range in size from the small, like something called the
Marble charter school. I have no idea. I didn't look
it up, don't know where it is, don't know what

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it does, don't care. Here's a charter school receiving taxpayer
money from taxpayers in Colorado. There's probably a charter school
like this in your state receiving tax dollars. They may
be giving to the Oklahoma Public Radio, the Texas Public Radio.
Who knows the US Force banned? Huh I wonder where

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they get their money. Oh, taxes from federal income taxpayers.
That goes to support the academies. That goes to support
the air Force band, which goes to support huh wow.
So still backdoor funding i e. Money laundering, college invest

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the Colorado Education Association, Pinnacle Assurance that's the state insurance company,
and the excuse excuse me, major state universities and many
of their departments. The Denver Public Schools the Denver Public
Library are sponsors, along with History Colorado, the Colorado Lottery,

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and the cities of Lakewood and Westminster. Seriously so property taxes,
sales taxes, all of the taxes that you pay to
go to support all of the these things. And then
they're turning around and supporting Colorado Public Radio. That's money laundering.
But then, you know, we've talked in the past about

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how the NGOs, particularly when it came to immigration, how
non government organizations would get grants from the federal government.
You know, there'd be some department, excuse me, the Department
of Education, Department of Commerce, Department of Homeland Security, somebody,
some one of the departments somewhere would give a grant

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to you know, some NGO that is out there supporting
illegal immigration. And then they would go, say to the
dairy and gap, and they go down to the dairy
and gap and they use our tax dollars to clothe
and provide them safe transport through the dairy and gap.
Give them a phone, give them a mobile phone, put
the CBP one app on it. Money laundring, absolute money laundering. Well,

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here it is, and you know it happens in energy.
We talked about it energy. There are any number of
departments that are money laundering. But I never I don't know.
I guess I would just beat being naive. I never
thought the same thing would be occurring when it came
to public radio or public television. And I guarantee again

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this is going on in every state in the country.
Joshua writes. More interesting are the nonprofits, many of which
are quite large and heavily dependent on public funding for
their revenue. For instance, you've heard me a bitch about
this organization in the past. The Denver Metro Convention and

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Visitors Bureau took in forty two million dollars of it's
forty six point five million dollar budget from government grants.
And then what do they do, Oh, they sponsored Colorado
Public Radio or color out of public television. So forty

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two out of forty six million dollars that funds the
Denver Metro Convention and Visitors Bureau comes from tax dollars,
and then they turn that over the Denver Art Museum.
They get almost a third of their forty two million
dollars in revenue from government grants, and then they turn

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around and give some of that to Colorado Public Radio
Colorado Public Television money laundry, and josh Joshua writes, you know,
those nonprofits are fairly benign, but more troubling is the
Colorado Coalition for the Homeless, a leading member of the

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homeless industrial complex that profits off Denver's large homeless population.
Listen to these numbers. Three fourths of its twenty three
twenty twenty three revenue of more than one hundred million
dollars came from government grants and Medicaid funding funded services.

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Seventy five percent of its more than one hundred million
dollars in revenues came from government grants and Medicaid funding services.
And then the Colorado Coalition for the Homeless launders some
of that money and turns it over to Colorado Public
Radio and Colorado Public Television. So they are He says,

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it shouldn't be any surprise that it supports Colorado Public Radio,
which persistently presents the homeless problem as a problem of
simply funding. They don't have enough money. The money laundering
is astounding. Likewise, he writes Jewish Family Service, which gets

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roughly twenty five percent of its funding through government grants.
CPR recently featured it in a pitch for sponsors, which
Jewish Family Services explained how showing up as a Colorado
Public Radio underwriter sent all the right signals to potential contributors,
which sends a signal itself. Damn right, it does government

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nonprofit supporters. It's probably difficult to see, as he acknowledged it,
it's difficult to understand exactly how much money ends up
at Colorado Public Radio. Most government institutions don't have checkbooks online,
and even government created nonprofits and enterprises don't always respond
to open record requests for specific expenditures. This is a

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really good piece. You can tweet it out, you can
put it on your Facebook page, you can email it
to friends. It's all a complete Colorado the the top
of the let me make sure it still is the
top of the story. It is the top left story
on the headlines on their original stories. Colorado Public Media
remains on the local taxpayer doll And if you think

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somehow this is just a Colorado story and this isn't
true in your state, maybe you ought to find a
reporter like Joshua who will go find out exactly what
kind of nonprofits or even things like your Chamber of Commerce,
your Visitors Bureau are getting government grants and then turning
that over to public radio. The money laundering.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Is everywhere, Michael, do you think that Elon Musk should
take over PBS.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
That would just blow their minds.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I wonder if he offered to give in their funding,
if they'd even take it. He might have to just
buy them out right.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
That'd be so sweet, that would be funny. Think about
how much Trump has always wanted to have his own network,
to have his you know, since the bromance broke up,
then to have Elon go buy the Corporation for Public Broadcasting,
just buy it out and turn it into his own network.

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I shouldn't make fun of this again. If you want
to read this article, it's over on Complete Colorado dot
com or even easier, Michael says, go here dot com.
Michael says, go here dot com and go read it
right there. So, when all this first broke, I didn't
realize and I actually feel kind of badly about this,
but defunding the Corporation for Public Broadcasting is a matter
of life and death.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Now, let's talk about the cuts to the CPB, the
Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Millions and millions of the Americans
over ten million Americans thirteen live in regions of the
country that will be affected by these cuts, including millions
of rural Americans and native tribes.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Which is sad because you know, I've been on Indian
reservoirs in four or five different states and there's no
cell service, there's no TV reception, there's no antennas, there's
no AM or FM radio, there's nothing. Hey, how did
that Green New Deal come about and get them more

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internet out out there? Those? Well, they did do the Yes,
they the Green New Deal did expand fiber optic to
all of the Indian reservations and to all the little
towns like you know, Campo and you know Springfield and
Stirling and all the little towns being in Vesta. They
all got you know, broadband now. So that's all taken

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care of. You didn't see that in the news. I
must have missed that one. Yeah, you missed that one. Yeah.
I think they got two. I think they got two
little towns hoo upthing like that. Yeah, or maybe they
just got two hookups. They got two houses looked up.
Maybe that's what it was. And it cost us what
sixty billion dollars or something.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Jump chain and these cuts to local stations couldn't have
been at a worse time with floods and natural disasters front.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Because we've never ever had floods and natural disasters before.
So it couldn't come at a worse time than now,
because we're having floods and natural disasters.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Of mind, when a flood happens, when a tornado touches down,
when a hurricane makes landfall, people need immediate, up to
date alerts.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
When I think of there's a severe storm or tornado
warning or blizzard warning or flood warning, whatever it might be,
first thing I think of is how do I find
public radio to find out what's going on? So the
very first thing that crosses my.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Mind not stay safe, and sometimes all too often public
broadcasting is the only way for people to hear what's
going on. It's a matter of life and death. So
why is Donald Trump so hell bent on taking away
funding from local stations that can literally save lives.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Because he's a jerk. That's why he's a total, absolute jerk.
Brian Stetler's upset about it too.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
That's happening now. No, this is the end of a
publicly funded media era. This dates back to the days
of black and white television. You know, back in the sixties,
Congress solid value for PBS and NPR, but no more.
As a result of this recision, radio and TV stations
will have to lay off staffers and cut back on programming.

(34:30):
Some smaller stations will suffer more than bigger stations. Right,
popular shows like Daniel Tiger's one.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
What's interesting is he's all upset because some people are
going to be laid off. But there was some guy
that pretends to be a comedian that has some late
show that I think his his show was losing forty
million dollars a year at one hundred million dollar budget.
And isn't he getting laid off? Like come this next

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August or may or something.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Don't worry, He's already got a job lined up.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Well he does, yeah, but the same company too.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Are you serious?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Very serious?

Speaker 2 (35:07):
What's he got? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
They just announced that something wrong that he's just got to.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Stephen Colbert has already got some of the job, and
it's with CBS. What he gonna do is he gonna
try to pretend to be a news anchor. Now they
can be him on the CBS Evening News and let
him read the teleprompter. Is that we're gonna get our
news the CBS Evening News with Stephen Gobert. So it's
a life and death matter. Yeah, you know how, you

(35:35):
know how we got public television right, yeah, LBJ, who
was a big radio station guy. Yeah, LBJ decided to
do that. And I think, you know, we survived without
it beforehand. I think we'll survive without it you know,
later too. But go read the article complete Colorado dot
Com Joshua Sharf. It's a it's a great story, and

(35:58):
it's probably going on in your state. Two