9-11-25 - 8am - Charlie Kirk

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Knackle. Charlie Kirk was a Rush baby.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
There is no doubt that he was actually this younger
generation's rushlan Ball. He was just as effective as a
communicator as Rush was to my generation, which would be
closer to your generation.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
And I want to get to that in a minute
and tell you a story. A couple of text messages.
I've heard a lot of discussion the FBI apparently has
found a weapon. What I've heard dragging. Tell me if
you've heard something different. I've heard that it's a thirty

(00:48):
odd to six, that they found it wrapped in a
towel in some woods or something near the campus, that
they have some fingerprints, a palm print, and some foot prints.
There have been a lot of there's been a lot
of commentary about how this was a professional hit. Well,

(01:15):
let me tell you that why some people believe that
it is, and why I'm not convinced that it is. Well,
it could be, but I'm not convinced that it is.
Many people say they keep using the phrase high powered rifle.
I guess, in a way, you could consider a thirty
out six to be a high powered rifle. It's not

(01:37):
what I would consider it to be. Necessarily be what
in common vernacular we might refer to as a sniper
rifle thirty six.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Go hunting.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
All I'm getting is a bolt action.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, well, another great bolt action, So you know, it's
a pretty standard hunting rifle thirty six. The fact that
it was from two hundred yards away by different calculations,
I've seen it's two hundred and fifty yards, it's two

(02:18):
hundred and fifty three yards, it's under ninety six yards.
Let's just say two hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Some have said one hundred as well, So it's yeah,
somewhere between there.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yea and b.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Anyone who's done any amount of training. I don't know
what the weather was like that day. It appeared to
be a fairly calm day, bright sunny day. That that
kind of shot is not that difficult to do.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
It takes.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
I mean, you couldn't just for the very first time
in your life pick up a thirty six and hit
a target two hundred yards away. I'm not saying you
could do that, but it's not the kind of thing
that you've got to be a CIA UH trained sniper,
a Secret Service trained sniper.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
To pull that kind of shot off.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
So I don't buy the idea that that alone indicates
a professional sniper. It's also Utah. And I'll make a
generalization here. If you told me this happened in Oklahoma,
or Texas, or New Mexico, or for that matter, on

(03:30):
the western slope of Colorado, in urban in urban Denver,
not so sure. Most of us grew up having thirty
odd sixes. Some of us still have some thirty Hodd sixes.
And making that kind of shot is I mean, I'm
not saying it doesn't take any skill, or that it
takes no skill or that, or that it takes an

(03:52):
incredible amount of skill.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
No, it's just something that pretty much you're you know.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
If you're you've got a a deer spotted at two
hundred yards.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
You ought to be able to get it.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
So don't take that as sole evidence that it was
a professional hit. Then the next argument I hear is
because no shell casings, that this was as of last night,
maybe today. I know that some FBI investigator was giving
a press conference. I don't know what he said. I

(04:27):
haven't had a chance to look at it. No shell
casings and no evidence whatsoever around the rooftop from allegedly
from which the shot was taken. And then the third
thing is how is it that there the infill in

(04:48):
the X fill getting onto the rooftop and then getting
off the rooftop without being caught, that that's the sign
of profession of a professional hit. I don't buy that
necessarily either. You can mingle in a crowd quite easily.
I mean, obviously if you're if you are carrying a

(05:09):
rifle in a crowd, that's gonna draw some attention. But
if you've prepositioned a rifle or you have been able
to conceal the rifle based on the way you're dressed,
you're not gonna wear your If he's been described as
wearing jeans, he could be she the shooter has been

(05:31):
described as wearing jeans, black shirt, black sweater of some sort,
black hood, black gloves, what you know, all in black
may be true, may not be true. But you don't
walk through the crowd dressed like that, because that's gonna
draw attention to you.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Though we do have a few quotes from the press conference,
the suspect blended quote blended in well with the college institution,
and we do have good video footage of this individual,
and we are not going to release that at this time, do.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
They say footage of the individual in the crowd or
that footage that we've seen of him on the rooftop.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
That's the only quote I've got after this, and I'm
talking about the footage of the individual.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
So I would just caution people that.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
The claim that this was a professional assassination a professional hit,
I don't give a lot of credence to. Then the
arguments made it was a shot to the jugular, well,
that kind of belies that it was a professional hit

(06:40):
because the kill shot for a sniper would have been right.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Between the eyes, right in the forehead. That's the kill shot.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I've heard stories, Again, no confirmation that Charlie wore a
bulletproof vest whenever he was at these You may notice
that he had some security, but that was primarily for
crowd control to keep the crowd away from him. And
wearing a bulletproof vest to keep anybody from pulling a
handgun out in the middle of a crowded group of

(07:14):
people and shooting you at point blank. Yeah, that bulletproof
vest would make sense. I've also heard and look, I've
seen the videos. Maybe I haven't seen all of them,
but it could be that the shooter, not being professional,
was aiming for what he thought would be a chest shot,

(07:35):
and that it was just a little too high and
it bounced off the bulletproof vest and went into his neck.
That it wasn't a juggler shot, it was actually a
maybe aiming for the heart. But depending on the winds,
depending on the capability, depending on the sighting of the scope,

(07:57):
any number of things all to me kind of blie
a professional hit.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
I'm no expert on bulletproof vests or anything, but just
looking at some of the photios of him tossing out
hats during that the event, with the way his T
shirt is flowing, I don't think anything's on underneath that
T shirt.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
It doesn't appear to me to be true either. But
he could be wearing a very thin kevlar, very tight,
almost like a sleeve that he could be wearing. But again,
focus on the shooting and not him. But if he

(08:38):
was wearing something or you know, could have easily bounced off.
We wouldn't have easily, but it could have bounced off
a collar bone and gotten into the neck. But it
just doesn't strike me as being a professional hit. The
fact that we now have I was actually concerned. I
started to post something and then I took it down,

(09:00):
but I was upset that Cash Bateel, whom I had
great respect for, as the FBI director, had twice talked
about how they had someone in custody when in fact
they had persons of interesting custody. And then the conspiracy
theorists come out and talk about those were diversions to

(09:21):
allow the shooter to get further, you know, to for
whatever X fil was going on for him to get
even a shooter, I shouldn't say him to get further
away from the scene of the crime by this diversion
may or may not be true, but I really think
what was going on with Cash Bateel was the personal

(09:44):
relationship he had, and he allowed that to get in
the way because he really wants to get whoever this
shooter is. Because of the personal relationship between Cash and
Charlie Well.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
The wording was completely moronic by him. Yes, from the
tweet or post on X his first one. The subject
for the horrific shooting today that took the life of
Charlie Kirk is now in custody.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Which there's only really one way to interpret that.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
We got him we got him, and then two hours later,
the subject in custody has been released after an interrogation
by law enforcement.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Which, again the lawyer brain in me is spinning around.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Uh, maybe that's still a suspect, but they may think
there's actually a conspiracy going on, and there may be others.
So let's let this guy go and let's follow him
and maybe he'll lead us to other people involved in
this conspiracy. And then I realized, no, it's just cash.
I think shooting from the hip, no pun intended. Shooting

(10:53):
from the hip. It's from a very young age. You
can only describe Charlie Kirk as a person that's willing
to try things that seem the impossible. For example, I

(11:18):
think as recent as this week, I did a segment
in which I was partially referring to public education, and
I stopped myself and I said, we need to stop
referring to public schools as public education and call them
for what they are. Their government runs schools. And this

(11:42):
day and age, when government interfears and intervenes in almost
every aspect of our lives, let's be honest, this is government.
These are government run schools that, in many instances.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Not all caveat not all, but in.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Which the teacher unions go back to COVID, in which
the teacher union seem to be driving curriculum and seem
to be driving all sorts of policies and agendas that
have no place in the classroom whatsoever. Higher education is
the same way. Well, that's what Charlie Kirk saw as

(12:22):
and I think we should define him as a political entrepreneur.
He recognized that, oh, my generations are being lost to
these government run schools. Conservatives are reticent, reluctant, hesitant, whatever
whatever word you want to use to go on college campuses,

(12:44):
either to speak or to speak up in class. So
let's instead take that head on. That's entrepreneurship. That's that's
seeing and our opportunity that nobody else is doing, everybody
else is afraid to touch. And let's see if I
can't find a way to intervene into that system and

(13:10):
give an alternate point of view and start using it
as fertile ground to recruit people to conservatism. And he
did so starting at the ripe old age of sixteen.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
So in lieu of the.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Typical trajectory, you know, there's which this individual will go
completely unnamed. But I'm I don't know how, you know,
because I accept people on Facebook, but I'm watching this
kid on Facebook that clearly wants to be involved in politics.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
And he thinks he's doing all the right things. And
he may be. You know, I'm not going to.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Sit here and serve that twenty years from now that
he's going to be president or governor or a US
senator or anything else. But he's taking the very typical trajectory,
and there's nothing wrong with that to someday, you know,
to a great extent, I took the typical trajectory into politics,

(14:21):
but Charlie saw a different way, and we ought to
recognize and honor that. So in lieu of the typical trajectory,
particularly with a person that has political ambitions, Charlie took
a different path. He thought instead that these campuses were

(14:44):
ripe for the pickings, but do it through engagement, do
it through debate, do it through organization, and that then
he could achieve a mission that I think a lot
of political professionals, particular my generation, thought was a fool's
errand go win young people over for conservative ideas in

(15:06):
the very place where they're being brainwashed, where they're being
indoctrinated to think that Conservatism, that we're the evil group,
that we don't love freedom and liberty, and that they're
the left's vision of freedom and liberty, which is the
tyranny of socialism, fascism, Marxism, communism, that that's the way forward.

(15:29):
And he thought, no, let's not do that.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
So right in the.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Middle of the Tea Party movement, when those of us
on the right kind of synonymous with boomer and older voters,
when Barack Obama was the coolest thing on campus, Obama
was riding high with millennial voters. The idea that Charlie
had seemed absurd to others, but he believed it was possible.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So what did he do?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
He did what Fred Smith did, or Herb Teller did
at Southwest Airlines, or the Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak
did at Apple Computer, or the Hewlett and Packard did,
if you want to go back, or that the Right
brothers did. They invested everything and I don't mean money,

(16:20):
I mean their souls. They invested their souls into doing
that through engagement. He invested all his effort in pursuing that,
and then he slowly, methodically began to build the team
across the country to make that happen, and then we

(16:44):
should acknowledge he pulled it off. He was the most
significant factor in a movement that saw an influx of
young activist voters that changed the course of the country
until they had to murder him. They had to murder him.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Now, what was unique. No, I'm not gonna say to
you that.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
What I think is important to remember because if you're
listening to me, you know that I've said this a
bazillion time. It's the power of engagement, the sphere of influence.
Now he saw his sphere of influence as the college campus.

(17:36):
But still that sphere of influence depended upon what one
person at a top, one single person at a time.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
My theory is this was an act of this shooter.
A professional would go for center mass, hard lunshot for
thirty six. That's a kill shot and they would need
plate armor to stop it. The head shot is symbolic,
and I think he probably blenched and pulled the shot low.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Regardless whether it's a professional, amateur, lucky, whatever, it is,
what it is. Before I go back to Charlie for
a moment, because I've got to keep intertwining these two
topics today. So they're at the point in it's now

(18:36):
ten thirty three Eastern time, the second plane is hit,
and now twenty four years later, they're ringing the bell
and they are reading the names. I still maintain this

(18:57):
idea at the very beginning of the program. There is
a thread of evil and there is a thread of
tyranny that runs through this country that began in earnest
with Woodrow Wilson, the.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Truly most.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Progressive Marxist president, couched in all of these I mean,
some of the most racist, horrible things written by Woodrow
Wilson are just lost in the teaching of history. And
so the progressive movement whose ultimate goal is Marxism, socialism,

(19:43):
communism started with Woodrow Wilson. We start moving forward from
that point and we get the Great Depression. And if
you've ever read The Forgotten Man, you understand that FDR
actually exacerbated the Great Depression by all these government policies.

(20:08):
Even though if you were talked to my grandparents, they
would talk about what a great deal it was because
they saw a benefit to them personally, particularly my maternal grandfather,
who didn't do much with his life. He served in
World War One, don't get me wrong, But beyond that,
he was not really a great. He's a great, he's

(20:32):
my grandfather loved him to death, but he was not
really a productive member of society. And he thought those
programs were fantastic because those programs really kind of made
it easy for him to not work while my grandmother
worked her ass off. So FDR kind of perpetuates that,

(20:58):
and it just grows and grows. And then again, if
you truly understand, you can hold these two conflicting thoughts
in your brain. At the same time, the civil rights
movement was indeed something that we needed to do. We
needed to give voting rights to everyone, regardless of their

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skin color. We needed to give equal rights to everybody
in honor of the Declaration of Independence, where we proclaim,
proclaim that all men are created equal. But if you
look at the history and the origins of the civil
rights movement, you will find, and again go to the

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Uncle Tom movies, and they documented incredibly well and objectively
how Marxist and communists saw that as a subversive movement
to disrupt the country. You look at LBSJ lbj's Great Society,
Oh my god, you talk about the beginning of the

(22:01):
explosion of debt, in the explosion of the social welfare
system in this country. You can pinpoint that squarely on LBJ.
But you thought it stopped with Richard Nixon. No, Richard
Nixon would be not necessarily the beginning, but the probably

(22:23):
the epitome of the so called independent agencies which started
giving us the deep state, which led to all of
these administrative regulations that controlled almost as every aspect of
our society, the EPA, And again you can hold conflicting
thoughts in your brain. At the same time, the Clean

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Air and Water Act, Yes, that Act alone helped clean
up helped us clean up our polluted air and water.
But the problem was it was tied to and collapsed
with well together with the creation of the EPA, which
led to these unbelievably exhaustive, intrusive and unnecessary regulations in

(23:11):
quite franky in my opinion, on constitutional regulations that right
way far and beyond what was necessary to clean up pollution.
So you can't just blame democrats. The progressive era included
Republicans also, And then you fast forward to Obama and
he becomes the coup de grass with socialized medicine through Obamacare,

(23:33):
and the deep state just continues unabated, and then you
get COVID, and COVID, whether you want to call it
a test run or not, doesn't make any difference. It
makes zero difference to me because COVID in and of
itself proved that you create enough fear, you'll get enough

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people to capitulate to whatever insane in irrational demands you
put on people, and you'll suddenly have people. And I
still laugh today when I walk into there happens to
be a Wahho's Fish Tacos near us, and I laugh
every time I go in there because they still have
the six feet little footprints as you walk up to

(24:15):
the counter. And we know it was total bs, total
bull crap. And then we were told that the stars
kov two so called irresponsibly named vaccine would prevent you
from getting sick and stop spread of the disease, stop

(24:35):
the spread of the virus, which we now know scientifically
was not true, and we didn't and some of us
didn't believe it at the time. Has nothing to do
with the mRNA technology. It has to do with HM.
Let's see, we've been fighting the common cold and AIDS

(24:57):
and herpes and any number of For years, we have
no vaccine for that, but suddenly we get a vaccine
through operation warp speed, no clinical trials, you know, nothing,
and then suddenly we're supposed to believe that that is
going to solve it. COVID was in that line of
succession of more and greater control over us. And then,

(25:19):
of course, backing up a little bit, you get China
put into the World Trade Organization, and now we unleash
Communism in terms of trade policies, and you know, dung
chiw Ping does just enough to show the Chinese people, hey,
you can make a little bit of money, and we'll
take over the West by taking over their manufacturing. And

(25:40):
we and we capitulate to it. I shouldn't I shouldn't
even leave out the North American Free Trade Agreement Bill Clinton.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I mean, it's just it just piles on and piles
on and piles on.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
And now we're at the stage where it's not even
I mean, Trump is doing everything that he can to
roll back some of that, but those are generational changes
which we again will take generations to change. Charlie Kirk
recognized that, and he recognized that the College camp I
was a great place to go do that because they

(26:14):
come out of high school indoctrinated, so now they're going
to go live with And even in my day an
undergraduate school and I had outrageously liberal and progressive professors,
but you know what the difference was, they welcome the
debate and I make good grades, argue with my professors

(26:38):
all the time. All of that thread gets us to
where we are now, where you and I are considered
to be fascist. We're considered to be the violent ones.
When you do an inventory of the violence that's taken place,

(27:01):
the violence is from the left. It's not from the right.
Oh they'll point to January sixth and say, oh, that
was a violent attempted overthrow of the US government.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
All grant you, it was a riot.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
But if that was if that was Conservatism's attempt to
take over the government, we need to we need to
expel all the amateurs from the conservative movement and get
some real people in there to really create a revolution.
Because those were a bunch of yahoos. Now were they mistreated, Yes,

(27:37):
I don't call them yahoos to be derogatory toward them,
but most of them were not there to overthrow the government.
They were over there to protest what they believed to
be they stolen election.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Huh wow.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
That seems to be kind of going back to seventeen
seventy six, doesn't it, where they view surped the rights
of individuals, and.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Then we get nine to eleven and nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Imposed so many restrictions on our freedoms. I'll never forget
the first time I walked into my class that I
was teaching at the University of Denver School of Law
on the Patriot Act. And so the students that enrolled
saw my bio, saw my background, and I would say,

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of all the students in that class, probably every single
one of them expected me to come in there and be, oh,
I'm going to teach the Patriot Act from the point
of view that this is the greatest thing ever and
this is what we need. And when I first started
the lecture, you could see their jaws drop because that
they were not hearing what they expected, because I was

(28:59):
denigrating for the absolute tyranny that was imposing on the
country and I still believed us to this day. And
of course, then my involvement in the creation of the
Department of Homeland Security and everything that it's done. But
we're starting to recognize that those freedoms are pretty fragile

(29:23):
and we need to protect them. So if we do
anything on September eleven, as I said, I refuse to
play any sound bites, any audio, anything else because I
want you to think about it. I don't want you
to relive it. I want you to think about it.
Between that and Charlie Kirk and all of the violence

(29:48):
that's going on because of mental illness and stupidity and
everything else in schools and elsewhere, south side of Chicago, downtown, Denver,
wherever it might be, maybe you'll pay attention. Maybe you'll
pay attention that your sphere of influence is the same

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idea that Fred Smith started FedEx just one flight, one flight,
All you need is one individual.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
Hey, Michael, I'm just trying to process what happened to
Charlie yesterday, and it really occurs to me that this
assassination is not about silencing Charlie's message so much as
it is about trying to keep people of opposing viewpoints
from understanding it's okay to come together and disagree and
talk and hear each other out and understand that it's

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okay to hold these opposing viewpoints and live together.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
I agree with that. However, I also agree that it
is about silencing. Well, I guess I would disagree with
you about this. I think it's both. It is about
silencing those with differing opinions and silencing or trying to
nix the ability of people to actually have a rational debate.

(31:13):
Wall Street Journal. This is from thirty two minutes ago.
Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and anti
fascist ideology inside the rifle the authorities believe was using
the fighters shooting of Charlie Kirk. According to an internal

(31:34):
law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation,
the older model thirty caliber hunting rifle was discovered in
the woods near the scene of wednesday shooting at Utah
Valley University, wrapped in a towel with a spent cartridge
still in chambers. The sources said there were also three
unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording on them.

(31:58):
It is about both. It is about the left wanting
to shut down debate. And once again, now I don't
know whether the individual is transgender or not. In fact,
I think that's immaterial but if according to these internal
law enforcement bulletins, the spent cartridge, that was still because

(32:22):
remember it's bolt action, so once you fire, unless you
you know, engage the bolt action lever, that chamber is
going to that shell is going to.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Remain in the chamber.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
If it is engraved with these kinds of expressions, it
could be either an assassination because of transgenderism, and the
shooter could or could not be transgender or genders for
him herself. And also it is about shutting down the debate,

(33:05):
about shutting down the conversation, and that is the ultimate
goal if you understand the Communist manifesto, that's the ultimate goal.