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Show host Michael Brown.
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Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job.
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The Weekend with Michael Brown.
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we do on the weekend, So you one of the
things that is amazed has absolutely amazed me that before
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I get to that, I'm thinking out loud right now.
I've had a couple of people say to me regarding
the assassination of Charlie Kirk, why is he getting so
much television coverage? Or I'm really sick of hearing about
Charlie Kirk, or I'm really tired of Why does special treatment? Why? Why?
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Why is he flown from Utah to his home in
I think it's Phoenix on Air Force two? Why did
someone introduce a resolution that he is the just casket
lie in state in the Capitol of Rotunda. Why did
Trump announce these things? Why did the FBI fly out
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before they could do the press conference about catching the suspect?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Why?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Why?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Why? All of this stuff? And I get that for
many people, the name Charlie Kirk was unknown before the assassination.
Turning point USA may be unknown to many people before
the assassination, but I think it is worth understanding why.
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And this may make some people uncomfortable, but call somebody
that cares. Charlie Kirk was personal friends with both Donald
Trump and with JD. Vance. The vice president. In addition
to that, he was personal friends with my guess would
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be almost everybody at Fox News. At at Fox News.
One of the reasons let's start with Fox first. When
before you before, I mean I'm talking ten fifteen years ago,
when he was in his early twenties, he pushed himself
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literally pushed, pushed, pushed to get Fox to interview him
about his organization and what he was trying to accomplish
and what he was doing. And like any good entrepreneur,
he worked and worked and worked until he found that
point of entry. And once he found that point of entry,
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and I don't know whether it was Hannity or somebody else,
or maybe it was just a booker or a producer,
but somebody caught note and said, oh well, this sounds interesting.
Let's put this. Let's put him on one of the programs.
Could have been Fox Morning whatever whatever they Fox and
Friends I think is what they call. It. Could have
been any number of programs. But the way that the
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way the media works is once you make that point
of entry. Because all of the other hosts, maybe they
don't personally watch all the other programs, although most of them,
many of them do. All of the bookers and all
the producers watch and listen all the time because they
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are all competing with one another. You don't think that
I compete with the shows that emanate from this very
building during the same timeframe that I'm on air. Of
course I do. Now I don't listen to them, but
I know my producer does, And in fact, my producer
works on some of those programs, and so I find
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out from him, what are they talking about, what are
they doing, how's our things with the audience, Because it's
a very competitive business. Once you make that entry, once
you've made that entree into that world, then other bookers
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will talk to their producers and say, hey, I heard
this guy. He was on. He was interesting, and I
think he might be a good subject for our program,
whatever that program might be. And so then it begins
to snowball, and it snowballs and it grows, and that
also helps him grow his organization, and the organization grows,
and then it gets reported, and if you're paying attention
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at all to social media, you hear about it, and
you read about it. He starts to grow a social
media presence. And I've always been honored that Charlie followed
me on X. He's one of many people. You know,
one of the first persons that when X, when Twitter
first came out, one of the first persons that followed
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me was Andrew Breitbart. And I was so honored to
have Andrew following me because Andrew, the really original conservative
happy warrior, understood that based on my experience, that oh,
this is somebody that really understands conservatism, understands the Constitution
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is articulate in doing that, and I want to engage
with him, and I want him to engage with me.
So when Charlie Kirk followed me on X, naturally I
was honored to have him because I had been watching
and seeing what he was doing. So all of that
organization began to grow. And I've always believed, particularly the
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older I get that anywhere, any place, anybody who can
start organizing and start educating and start exemplifying the principles
of conservatism to a younger generation that has absolutely been
devoid of any teachings about it, then I'm fully supportive
of that. So he built this empire that even caught
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the attention of Baron Trump, donald Trump's son with Mila
the First Lady, and the story goes as I heard
someone describe it that Trump was describing it, so it's hearsay,
just secondhand, is that Baron is that he had reached
out to Baron, Charlie Kirk had reached out to Baron
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about he would really like to you know, or that
Baron would like to meet with Charlie Kirk. And Trump
arranged that meeting or had his staff arrange the meeting,
and Baron and Charlie Kirk had lunch, and Baron came
back and told his dad, oh my, he was so
excited about it and talking about all the things he
was doing. And that led Trump to think, Wow, Baron's
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really fascinated by this guy. I need to get to
know him. And so then they developed a relationship. And
obviously Charlie Kirk was influential in driving a lot of
the youth vote to help Trump win the twenty twenty
four election, as he was with JD. Vance, and he
and JD. Vance became good friends ends. So what we're
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witnessing is a close friend and a political ally combined
together being assassinated, and that drawing the attention of obviously
the networks, obviously the politicos, some members of the House
and the Senate, obviously the presidency, the vice presidency, and
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so that's elevating all of this now. I do, indeed
worry about it jumping the shark, because the wall to
wall coverage will begin to turn some people off, and
some people will begin to think, why all of the
attention without understanding all of the background. Well, that gives
you all the background. And with that background, let's delve
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into some people that are saying some really awful things
and suffering the consequences, to which I say, hmm, sucks
to be you. It's the Weekend with Michael Brown. Text
line three to three ones zero three keyword Michael, Michael,
go follow me on X. Come on. If Andrew Breitbart
and Charlie Kirk can follow me on X, surely you
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Let's talk for a moment about the Governor of Utah.
Mate As handled this situation with the assassination of Charlie
kirk An amazingly, I think thoughtful and very respectful way
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and pointing out some difficult truths that we need to
deal with. He called social media a cancer on society,
and in some ways it is. I don't think that
all social media is a cancer, but it can go south,
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it can metastasize, and what can be an actual good platform?
Like I believe that X is a good platform. Facebook
is a social platform. I don't engage with TikTok parathetically.
I still don't know why it's around. Congress passed the
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law requiring it to be sold or banned in this country.
The court is upheld that band, and why it's still
floating around, and why Trump and the administration haven't done
anything about it. I don't know. So if your kids
or you are on TikTok. The Chinese Communist Party is
still watching everything you do, which may not be neat,
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which is different than say Elon Musk and X watching
everything that you do, or Zuckerberg watching everything you do.
If I had to have somebody watching me everything you do,
my local grocery store does, because I've got a rewards
program with my local grocery store. I'd rather my local
grocery store and Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg be watching me,
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then I would at all that I would the Chinese
Communist Party. So it can be a cancer in that
if you don't pay attention, you will find yourself being
sucked into all the rabbit holes and you'll develop ADHD.
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The is all in your system. You will just and
the dopamine will just come flooding through your system, and
you'll find yourself just what I call dead scrolling because
of something that quite frankly, you might be interested in
that is benign. Maybe you're a golfer, maybe it's football,
maybe it's any kind of sport, and maybe it's some
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particular hobby that you have. But as an adult, you
know that when you look down at your watch and
you realize, Oh, I've been watching these golf videos and
reading about golf stories for an hour. I probably should
go outside and do something. You have the maturity to
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turn it off and get up and go outside and
do something else. Teenagers don't, young adults don't. So in
that sense, it can become a cancer. And I think
also many people believe, unfortunately falsely, that it's all anonymous,
and then it's the femeral. It just it'll disappear. No,
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it's it's the Internet, and it'll live forever. We look
at the wayback machine. The wayback machine is a real thing. Well,
people have started posting things that they are learning to
regret having posted. I firmly believe every human being has
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the right to free speech. Even if that right had
never been codified in the First Amendment, you would still
have the same inherent, God given right to express yourself,
and any law of bridging that right anywhere in the
world is an abusive government power. I don't think that
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some of the Supreme Court rulings that have limited free
speech is I mean, have I follow it, but I
would argue vociferociferously against many of them. This used to
be a guy on Twitter a UK a British comedy
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writer named Graham Lynham. He had a two thousand sitcom
called Black Books, but his political opinions were kind of annoying.
I didn't engage with him, but I would read him
occasionally just because I read a lot of stuff that
I don't agree with, because I want to see what
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the other side's saying. Then his name started popping up
in the news, but not because he had said something silly. No,
he was in trouble for daring to state the obvious
trans women are not women, trans men are not men.
That is an indisputable, irrefutable biological fact that for example,
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turned JK. Rowlings fans against her. But unfortunately and doesn't
have the rallying's vast fortune fall back on. So he's
been suffering financially for his refusal to tell the lies
that he's been commanded to repeat. And now nobody wants
to hire him because he's a transphobe. But now because
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the United Kingdom has become this Orwellian hellhole, Linen has
been arrested for knowing about the birds and the bees.
He wrote about his arrest this side, I don't remember
the date on this something odd happened before I even
boarded the flight in Arizona. When I handed over my
passport at the gate, the official told me I didn't
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have a seat and had to be re ticketed. At
the time, I thought it was just a sort of
innocence snafu that makes air travel such a joy. But
in hindsight it was clear I'd been flagged. Why well,
there were five cops waiting for him at Heathrow when
he finally stepped off the flight. He got rebooked on
and they put him in a jail cell before interrogating
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him about his meet tweets that hurt somebody's feelings. He
had written a couple of things back in April. If
a trans identified male is in a female only space,
he is committing a violent, abusive act, make a scene,
called the cops, and if all else fails, punch him
in the testicles. Always use a different word. And then
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he had a photo. He posted a photo taken from
the balcony of an apartment in London of a group
of Islamis all protesting something. I don't know. If they're protesting,
I don't care. This was back in April also, and
his caption was a photo you can smell. Yeah, yeah,
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maybe distasteful. Might be offensive to you, it might be
offensive to me. It doesn't matter. He was exercising his
god given write a free speech right, but it got
him thrown in jall this year. So no matter where
in the world you were when you said it, he
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got in trouble for speaking his mind. But he got
in trouble by the government, the government, And that's the
difference he then had. He had to be hospitalized because
he was so stressed out about this. So in addition
to freedom of speech, that freedom of speech protects you
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from the government limiting your speech. You have freedom of association.
Like we talked about in the first hour, you can
associate with anybody you want, or not associate with anybody
you want, such as, say an employee that you don't
want to pay anymore. You don't want to associate with
that employee anymore. Hmm. Let's think about that. So The
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Weekend with Michael Brown, Hang tight, I'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director of
talk show host Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Brownie, No, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job.
The Weekend with Michael Brown.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Hey, you're listening to the Weekend with Michael Brown. I
don't know why, but I'm glad that you are. I
appreciate you doing it. So, as I said before the break,
you have freedom of speech, say what you want. You
have freedom of association. Are you going to associate with
anybody you want or not associate with anybody that you want,
like an employee that you don't want to pay anymore?
(18:33):
Probably In less than forty eight hours since Charlie Kirk
was murdered and ongoing still murder in the middle of
a political debate, lots of people have gone online using
their own names, sometimes even in their bios, stating their
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place of employment or their business, and they have literally
celebrated his assassination. They are blissfully happy that a man
was shot in the throat because for disagreeing with them,
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and they're using the most advanced communications technology in the
history of mankind to say so and to have that
amplified worldwide. You think the old associated press or UPI,
or the old wire services, or the old telegraph machines,
or a megaphone or a newspaper or a radio, how
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to reach now you reach people? I often think about
both the weekday and the weekend program. We came to
a certain degree track where you stream from. Don't get
a lot of details, but we can know that you
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are in Baltimore, or you are in San Francisco, or
you're in Houston. We can probably get it down to
a zip code, and many well, we can get it
down to a zip code. And then I'm fascinated when
I go on the podcast and I see because you
can't stream obviously halfway around the world unless you're using
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a VPN, but I can see, based on the statistics
the data analysis, that people are downloading and listening to
the podcast in countries all over the world. And that's
amazing to me. But I have a radio program, and
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I have two giant companies that I work for that
are media monsters. But you can be sitting at home
with your bunny slippers on and your little you know,
nightcap on, sipping a little tequila or a diet coke,
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and you can type something onto Twitter and somebody all
over the world, people all over the world who don't
even follow you, but maybe follow somebody who follows somebody
who follows somebody who follows somebody or they just happen
to search for a topic and they see your tweet,
they see your post. Thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of
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people see that. So the people who have gone online
under their own names and celebrated this assassination, that are
blissfully celebrating somebody being assassinated and shot in the throat
simply for a different point of view and using the
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most advanced communications. Are not disagreeing with his political opinions.
They're disagreeing with his right to even exist and live.
But I recognize their right to express themselves. Free speech
means you're free to be an awful person and you
should never be punished for it by the government legally.
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But you know what if you lose your paycheck over it,
tough feces. I'm not persuaded by your tears because you
did it to yourself. If you're my employee and you
were to publicly laugh and cheer because a man was
murdered in the middle of a political debate in this country,
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I don't want anything to do with you. You're not
going to get another dime from my business, So pack
up your desk, get the hell out, just go. I'm
stunned fan fascinated at the same time at how many
of the freaks doing this crap are public school teachers? Teachers?
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Have they never read a book? Do they not understand
the Constitution? How dumb do you have to be to
post assassination porn under your own name? Well, I guess
dumb enough to be a teacher. It's not just teachers.
How about if you're just you know, a lot of
teachers are smart, but the teachers are doing this are
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really stupid. Well, if you're a biomedical researcher and you post,
can someone send me the video of Charlie Kirk being
shot in his blood gushing out of his neck. I
need something to brighten my mood next time. My end
adepressant isn't doing enough, says Natan Pierre Gadends. He him
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over on LinkedIn Lead and single cell Applications, broad clinical
labs at Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard Employment, Broad
Institute of a MIT and Harvard University of Massachusetts, Boston.
There are dozens, probably hundreds, I mean, I've got thousands
of them. I don't understand what possesses people to do
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this stupid kind of suicide activity and they're doing it
to themselves. They're not victims. Do not think they're victims.
They've aggressively screwed up their own lives with these nauseating
celebrations of bloodlust. And besides, it too late to turn
back the clock. The president was established over a decade ago.
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Do you remember when the Missouri radio clown or radio
that was Freudian, wasn't it? When the Missouri rodeo clown
got fired because he was wearing an Obama mask. It
was a comedy bit the rodeo had done with every
sitting president, every sitting president up until then. But that
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didn't matter to the so called cabal, because well, their morality,
their ethics, and their intellectual betters in the press. They
wanted the poor guys scalp and guess what they got it.
They got the rodeo clown fired for wearing an Obama mask.
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Now you may say it's unfair. I think it's unfair.
I think it's absolutely atrocious. I wholeheartedly disagree with it.
He was engaged in political speech, which they had done
with all the previous presidents, and he gets fired for
because of public pressure. Because the Rodeo, the people who
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hired him, didn't want the pressure, and then there was
this nonsense in twenty twenty two, and.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Is launching an internal investigation after a pilot reportedly signed
off a message to passengers by saying, let's go Brandon.
Now that is a phrase that has become conservative code
for swearing at President Biden. It actually means f Joe Biden,
is what it means. Pete Mantine with us here on
this what's going on? Well, what's so.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Interesting here, Brianna, is that these commercial flights have really
become this political flashpoint. We've seen these fights on board
and huge numbers by passengers. In this instance, it's a
Southwest Airlines pilot who has used the public address system
to sow political discord. It's typically used to calm down passengers.
He said this phrase, Let's go Brandon. It means f
Joe Biden. This was reported by an Associated Press reporter
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who was on this flight from Houston Albuquerque on Friday.
And now Southwest is acknowledging this incident, and it says
in a statement Southwest does not condone employees sharing their
political opinions while on the job. Southwest is conducting an
internal investigation into the recently reported event and will address
the situation directly with any employee involves, it says, while
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continuing to remind all employees that public expression of political
opinions while on duty is not acceptable. Now, this is
not the only incident like this, just ones that passengers
have heard. The United Airlines Pilot Union send a memo
to all of its pilots just last week saying did
not use the emergency frequency the pilots use typically not
for screwing around to say this let's go Brandon phrase.
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They say they send out this memo because of this,
and it says that frequency is not to be used
as a political public You know, I'm a pilot, I
fly a little airplane. I monitor those frequency all the time.
You're supposed to listen to it. I've heard FJB, I've
heard let's go brand And this is a real problem.
And it's happening in a place where pilots can only hear,
but also now in a place where the passengers can
hear too.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And you've heard that on that line from commercial pilots.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's anonymous, so you can't exactly tell. The frequency is
one twenty one point five, which is called guard and
so you're supposed to listen to it all the time.
It's for mayday calls, it's for serious stuff. Yeah, but yeah,
I've heard it.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
So you've heard it all right, Pete will say, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
We've heard it. So an airline pilot says, let's go
Brandon over the intercom, and of course the cabal went
on red alert. So now I'm supposed to care when
a school teach or a nurse or any other professional
needs to update their resume because they couldn't contain their
glee at a cold bud of political murder. Back off.
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I refuse to be scolded by any of these social paths.
Their rules. Now it's their turn. And by the way,
let's remember that while we have an ethos, we have
a culture of freedom of speech. Nonetheless, that culture of
freedom of speech, well, I certainly believe in it and
absolutely advocate it protects us from the government or anyone
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acting in the capacity or on behalf of the government,
from limiting our free speech. And of course, my free
speech on this radio program is limited by the government
because the licenger which we broadcast through Premiere Radio Networks
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and iHeartMedia isn't fc see license a heavily regulated industry,
so I can't not that I would, because I've said
before to my local audience, I don't think I would
ever use the F bomb on the radio anyway. But
there is one word I'd love to use but which
I can't, and it's not bull crap. It's bull you
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know what. So more of my bull you know what.
Right after this, Welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown.
Glad to have you with me. We're talking about freedom
of speech and people who are celebrating the assassination of
Charlie Kirk this week and then getting fired for it.
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And I'm trying to help you understand that the First
Amendment protects your freedom of speech from being limited by
the government or by an actor, and by actor I
mean a company or an entity, a organization, whatever it
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might be, who is acting on behalf of the government
or acting as the government. The First Amendment does not
protect your freedom of speech in the private sector. And
I'm not sure that I'm getting across because Goober number
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fifty nine to nineteen on the text line writes this, Michael,
and let me just give the let me give a
preface before I read the text message. Matthew Dowd was
an aide to President Bush. I knew him not well,
but Matthew was always one of these kind of moderate
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left of center guys that was kind of hanging around
the bushes for a long time, and I never really
agreed with him politically, but fortunately I didn't have to
interact with him much. He was a hired political commentator
what they call a contributor on cable news for MSNBC
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currently owned, not soon not to be, but currently owned
by NBC News. So as a contributor, he has a contract.
Now I've not read his contract, but I have a contract.
I have a contract with Premiere Radio Networks and iHeartMedia,
and that contract says that I can be terminated for cause.
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And one of the causes is if I bring disrepute
or I bring for lack. I mean, I'd have to
pull a contract up and read it word for word.
But if I if I embarrass the company, or I
do something that causes the company to be you know,
vilified or embarrassed any you know, just I create problems
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for the company, which is kind of ironic because I
kind of do all the time. Anyway, if you listen
to me, during the weekday. I'm sure that Matthew dud
had a similar contract with MSNBC. He got fired for
and really distasteful things that he said about the assassination
of Charlie Kirk. I think he said it actually on
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the day of the assassination, occurred, like within hours of
maybe even before we knew that he was dead. Really
really stupid stuff, horrible stuff, and he got fired for it.
Now that's the background. So Gouber number fifty nine to
nineteen writes and says, if the only reason Matthew Dowd
was fired was for quote distasteful speech close quote, I
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assume you believe, meaning me, believe that it was an
unjust firing. Please address what speech, if any, should be
prohibited in a civilized society. It doesn't matter what I think,
It only matters what the employer thinks. Did I find
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what Matthew Dowd said to be distasteful? Yes? Do I
support his right to say it? Yes? Do I support
his employer to terminate the contract if they found it
distasteful enough that they thought it was embarrassing and it
was against their values and so we want to terminate
our relationship. Yes, all of those things can be true.
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We have to learn to differentiate between free speech, which
we all have the right to exercise, and recognize him
there are consequences of free speech. Now, if I go
out and I just go stand a couple of miles
from that, I want to draw a distinct picture, a
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couple of miles from the studio, and I stand on
a street corner and I shout, how I am glad, glad, glad,
glad that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Everything he stood for
was He was homophobic, he was islam phobic, he was transphobic.
He was a horrible individual. And I hope he dies
and blah blah blah. I remember, don't take that out
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of context. I'm saying if because I would never say that,
But if I did, I Heart probably wouldn't do anything. However,
if I Heart in Premiere got wind of that, or
somebody took a video of that and posted it online
and they saw me saying that I would make a
case against myself right now on air that iHeart could
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have justification under the contract to terminate my contract. Now,
I might fight it, but they have a right to
terminate the contract for cause. And if that is encompassed
in their definition of for cause they can do it.
I can still say it, but I suffer the consequences
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of it. Never forget the First Amendment is designed to
keep the government from forcing you into what you can
and cannot say. In the private sector, just like I
can choose who to associate with, meaning I don't have
a right to get hired by anybody, and nobody has
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a right or an obligation that says they have to
hire me. And if somebody does hire me and they decide,
now take away the fact that I have a contract.
So I'm governed by a contract. But if I am
not governed by a contract, I'm just a you know,
an hourly wage employee. And the company decides they want
to no longer be associated with me because the things
I say online, they have the right to do that.
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It's not that difficult of a concept. The Founding fathers
did not want government who has the power to enforce,
who has the power at the point of a gun,
to tell you what you can think, what you can say,
or what you cannot say, or what you can believe
or what you cannot believe, or who you can worship
or not worship whatever. Under the First Amendment, the government
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cannot do that. So Matthew dad was an unjust or
just firing. I don't know, because I'm not his lawyer.
If he were my employee and he said those things
on my airwaves, I would have fired him. Now, whether
he thinks Matthew Dowd thinks it's unjust or not, he
(36:19):
probably thinks it's unjust. In fact, he's claimed that MSNBC
capitulated to the right wing media mob. H I guess
that depends on your perspective. Say stupid stuff, suffer the consequences.
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Falsely yell fire in a theater, cause a panic, people
get hurt, trampled or even killed. Suffer the consequences. You
can yell it, but you'll probably pay
Too night.
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we do on the weekend, So you one of the
things that is amazed has absolutely amazed me that before
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I get to that, I'm thinking out loud right now.
I've had a couple of people say to me regarding
the assassination of Charlie Kirk, why is he getting so
much television coverage? Or I'm really sick of hearing about
Charlie Kirk, or I'm really tired of Why does special treatment? Why? Why?
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Why is he flown from Utah to his home in
I think it's Phoenix on Air Force two? Why did
someone introduce a resolution that he is the just casket
lie in state in the Capitol of Rotunda. Why did
Trump announce these things? Why did the FBI fly out
(01:58):
before they could do the press conference about catching the suspect?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Why?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Why?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Why? All of this stuff? And I get that for
many people, the name Charlie Kirk was unknown before the assassination.
Turning point USA may be unknown to many people before
the assassination, but I think it is worth understanding why.
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And this may make some people uncomfortable, but call somebody
that cares. Charlie Kirk was personal friends with both Donald
Trump and with JD. Vance. The vice president. In addition
to that, he was personal friends with my guess would
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be almost everybody at Fox News. At at Fox News.
One of the reasons let's start with Fox first. When
before you before, I mean I'm talking ten fifteen years ago,
when he was in his early twenties, he pushed himself
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literally pushed, pushed, pushed to get Fox to interview him
about his organization and what he was trying to accomplish
and what he was doing. And like any good entrepreneur,
he worked and worked and worked until he found that
point of entry. And once he found that point of entry,
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and I don't know whether it was Hannity or somebody else,
or maybe it was just a booker or a producer,
but somebody caught note and said, oh well, this sounds interesting.
Let's put this. Let's put him on one of the programs.
Could have been Fox Morning whatever whatever they Fox and
Friends I think is what they call. It. Could have
been any number of programs. But the way that the
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way the media works is once you make that point
of entry. Because all of the other hosts, maybe they
don't personally watch all the other programs, although most of them,
many of them do. All of the bookers and all
the producers watch and listen all the time because they
(04:22):
are all competing with one another. You don't think that
I compete with the shows that emanate from this very
building during the same timeframe that I'm on air. Of
course I do. Now I don't listen to them, but
I know my producer does, And in fact, my producer
works on some of those programs, and so I find
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out from him, what are they talking about, what are
they doing, how's our things with the audience, Because it's
a very competitive business. Once you make that entry, once
you've made that entree into that world, then other bookers
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will talk to their producers and say, hey, I heard
this guy. He was on. He was interesting, and I
think he might be a good subject for our program,
whatever that program might be. And so then it begins
to snowball, and it snowballs and it grows, and that
also helps him grow his organization, and the organization grows,
and then it gets reported, and if you're paying attention
(05:27):
at all to social media, you hear about it, and
you read about it. He starts to grow a social
media presence. And I've always been honored that Charlie followed
me on X. He's one of many people. You know,
one of the first persons that when X, when Twitter
first came out, one of the first persons that followed
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me was Andrew Breitbart. And I was so honored to
have Andrew following me because Andrew, the really original conservative
happy warrior, understood that based on my experience, that oh,
this is somebody that really understands conservatism, understands the Constitution
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is articulate in doing that, and I want to engage
with him, and I want him to engage with me.
So when Charlie Kirk followed me on X, naturally I
was honored to have him because I had been watching
and seeing what he was doing. So all of that
organization began to grow. And I've always believed, particularly the
(06:32):
older I get that anywhere, any place, anybody who can
start organizing and start educating and start exemplifying the principles
of conservatism to a younger generation that has absolutely been
devoid of any teachings about it, then I'm fully supportive
of that. So he built this empire that even caught
(06:56):
the attention of Baron Trump, donald Trump's son with Mila
the First Lady, and the story goes as I heard
someone describe it that Trump was describing it, so it's hearsay,
just secondhand, is that Baron is that he had reached
out to Baron, Charlie Kirk had reached out to Baron
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about he would really like to you know, or that
Baron would like to meet with Charlie Kirk. And Trump
arranged that meeting or had his staff arrange the meeting,
and Baron and Charlie Kirk had lunch, and Baron came
back and told his dad, oh my, he was so
excited about it and talking about all the things he
was doing. And that led Trump to think, Wow, Baron's
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really fascinated by this guy. I need to get to
know him. And so then they developed a relationship. And
obviously Charlie Kirk was influential in driving a lot of
the youth vote to help Trump win the twenty twenty
four election, as he was with JD. Vance, and he
and JD. Vance became good friends ends. So what we're
(08:02):
witnessing is a close friend and a political ally combined
together being assassinated, and that drawing the attention of obviously
the networks, obviously the politicos, some members of the House
and the Senate, obviously the presidency, the vice presidency, and
(08:25):
so that's elevating all of this now. I do, indeed
worry about it jumping the shark, because the wall to
wall coverage will begin to turn some people off, and
some people will begin to think, why all of the
attention without understanding all of the background. Well, that gives
you all the background. And with that background, let's delve
(08:45):
into some people that are saying some really awful things
and suffering the consequences, to which I say, hmm, sucks
to be you. It's the Weekend with Michael Brown. Text
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and Charlie Kirk can follow me on X, surely you
(09:06):
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Let's talk for a moment about the Governor of Utah.
Mate As handled this situation with the assassination of Charlie
kirk An amazingly, I think thoughtful and very respectful way
(10:11):
and pointing out some difficult truths that we need to
deal with. He called social media a cancer on society,
and in some ways it is. I don't think that
all social media is a cancer, but it can go south,
(10:33):
it can metastasize, and what can be an actual good platform?
Like I believe that X is a good platform. Facebook
is a social platform. I don't engage with TikTok parathetically.
I still don't know why it's around. Congress passed the
(10:55):
law requiring it to be sold or banned in this country.
The court is upheld that band, and why it's still
floating around, and why Trump and the administration haven't done
anything about it. I don't know. So if your kids
or you are on TikTok. The Chinese Communist Party is
still watching everything you do, which may not be neat,
(11:17):
which is different than say Elon Musk and X watching
everything that you do, or Zuckerberg watching everything you do.
If I had to have somebody watching me everything you do,
my local grocery store does, because I've got a rewards
program with my local grocery store. I'd rather my local
grocery store and Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg be watching me,
(11:37):
then I would at all that I would the Chinese
Communist Party. So it can be a cancer in that
if you don't pay attention, you will find yourself being
sucked into all the rabbit holes and you'll develop ADHD.
(11:59):
The is all in your system. You will just and
the dopamine will just come flooding through your system, and
you'll find yourself just what I call dead scrolling because
of something that quite frankly, you might be interested in
that is benign. Maybe you're a golfer, maybe it's football,
maybe it's any kind of sport, and maybe it's some
(12:19):
particular hobby that you have. But as an adult, you
know that when you look down at your watch and
you realize, Oh, I've been watching these golf videos and
reading about golf stories for an hour. I probably should
go outside and do something. You have the maturity to
(12:41):
turn it off and get up and go outside and
do something else. Teenagers don't, young adults don't. So in
that sense, it can become a cancer. And I think
also many people believe, unfortunately falsely, that it's all anonymous,
and then it's the femeral. It just it'll disappear. No,
(13:03):
it's it's the Internet, and it'll live forever. We look
at the wayback machine. The wayback machine is a real thing. Well,
people have started posting things that they are learning to
regret having posted. I firmly believe every human being has
(13:27):
the right to free speech. Even if that right had
never been codified in the First Amendment, you would still
have the same inherent, God given right to express yourself,
and any law of bridging that right anywhere in the
world is an abusive government power. I don't think that
(13:47):
some of the Supreme Court rulings that have limited free
speech is I mean, have I follow it, but I
would argue vociferociferously against many of them. This used to
be a guy on Twitter a UK a British comedy
(14:08):
writer named Graham Lynham. He had a two thousand sitcom
called Black Books, but his political opinions were kind of annoying.
I didn't engage with him, but I would read him
occasionally just because I read a lot of stuff that
I don't agree with, because I want to see what
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the other side's saying. Then his name started popping up
in the news, but not because he had said something silly. No,
he was in trouble for daring to state the obvious
trans women are not women, trans men are not men.
That is an indisputable, irrefutable biological fact that for example,
(14:55):
turned JK. Rowlings fans against her. But unfortunately and doesn't
have the rallying's vast fortune fall back on. So he's
been suffering financially for his refusal to tell the lies
that he's been commanded to repeat. And now nobody wants
to hire him because he's a transphobe. But now because
(15:15):
the United Kingdom has become this Orwellian hellhole, Linen has
been arrested for knowing about the birds and the bees.
He wrote about his arrest this side, I don't remember
the date on this something odd happened before I even
boarded the flight in Arizona. When I handed over my
passport at the gate, the official told me I didn't
(15:36):
have a seat and had to be re ticketed. At
the time, I thought it was just a sort of
innocence snafu that makes air travel such a joy. But
in hindsight it was clear I'd been flagged. Why well,
there were five cops waiting for him at Heathrow when
he finally stepped off the flight. He got rebooked on
and they put him in a jail cell before interrogating
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him about his meet tweets that hurt somebody's feelings. He
had written a couple of things back in April. If
a trans identified male is in a female only space,
he is committing a violent, abusive act, make a scene,
called the cops, and if all else fails, punch him
in the testicles. Always use a different word. And then
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he had a photo. He posted a photo taken from
the balcony of an apartment in London of a group
of Islamis all protesting something. I don't know. If they're protesting,
I don't care. This was back in April also, and
his caption was a photo you can smell. Yeah, yeah,
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maybe distasteful. Might be offensive to you, it might be
offensive to me. It doesn't matter. He was exercising his
god given write a free speech right, but it got
him thrown in jall this year. So no matter where
in the world you were when you said it, he
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got in trouble for speaking his mind. But he got
in trouble by the government, the government, And that's the
difference he then had. He had to be hospitalized because
he was so stressed out about this. So in addition
to freedom of speech, that freedom of speech protects you
(17:28):
from the government limiting your speech. You have freedom of association.
Like we talked about in the first hour, you can
associate with anybody you want, or not associate with anybody
you want, such as, say an employee that you don't
want to pay anymore. You don't want to associate with
that employee anymore. Hmm. Let's think about that. So The
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Weekend with Michael Brown, Hang tight, I'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Tonight.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director of
talk show host Michael Brown.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Brownie, No, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job.
The Weekend with Michael Brown.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Hey, you're listening to the Weekend with Michael Brown. I
don't know why, but I'm glad that you are. I
appreciate you doing it. So, as I said before the break,
you have freedom of speech, say what you want. You
have freedom of association. Are you going to associate with
anybody you want or not associate with anybody that you want,
like an employee that you don't want to pay anymore?
(18:33):
Probably In less than forty eight hours since Charlie Kirk
was murdered and ongoing still murder in the middle of
a political debate, lots of people have gone online using
their own names, sometimes even in their bios, stating their
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place of employment or their business, and they have literally
celebrated his assassination. They are blissfully happy that a man
was shot in the throat because for disagreeing with them,
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and they're using the most advanced communications technology in the
history of mankind to say so and to have that
amplified worldwide. You think the old associated press or UPI,
or the old wire services, or the old telegraph machines,
or a megaphone or a newspaper or a radio, how
(19:46):
to reach now you reach people? I often think about
both the weekday and the weekend program. We came to
a certain degree track where you stream from. Don't get
a lot of details, but we can know that you
(20:08):
are in Baltimore, or you are in San Francisco, or
you're in Houston. We can probably get it down to
a zip code, and many well, we can get it
down to a zip code. And then I'm fascinated when
I go on the podcast and I see because you
can't stream obviously halfway around the world unless you're using
(20:32):
a VPN, but I can see, based on the statistics
the data analysis, that people are downloading and listening to
the podcast in countries all over the world. And that's
amazing to me. But I have a radio program, and
(20:55):
I have two giant companies that I work for that
are media monsters. But you can be sitting at home
with your bunny slippers on and your little you know,
nightcap on, sipping a little tequila or a diet coke,
(21:16):
and you can type something onto Twitter and somebody all
over the world, people all over the world who don't
even follow you, but maybe follow somebody who follows somebody
who follows somebody who follows somebody or they just happen
to search for a topic and they see your tweet,
they see your post. Thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of
(21:38):
people see that. So the people who have gone online
under their own names and celebrated this assassination, that are
blissfully celebrating somebody being assassinated and shot in the throat
simply for a different point of view and using the
(21:58):
most advanced communications. Are not disagreeing with his political opinions.
They're disagreeing with his right to even exist and live.
But I recognize their right to express themselves. Free speech
means you're free to be an awful person and you
should never be punished for it by the government legally.
(22:22):
But you know what if you lose your paycheck over it,
tough feces. I'm not persuaded by your tears because you
did it to yourself. If you're my employee and you
were to publicly laugh and cheer because a man was
murdered in the middle of a political debate in this country,
(22:44):
I don't want anything to do with you. You're not
going to get another dime from my business, So pack
up your desk, get the hell out, just go. I'm
stunned fan fascinated at the same time at how many
of the freaks doing this crap are public school teachers? Teachers?
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Have they never read a book? Do they not understand
the Constitution? How dumb do you have to be to
post assassination porn under your own name? Well, I guess
dumb enough to be a teacher. It's not just teachers.
How about if you're just you know, a lot of
teachers are smart, but the teachers are doing this are
(23:29):
really stupid. Well, if you're a biomedical researcher and you post,
can someone send me the video of Charlie Kirk being
shot in his blood gushing out of his neck. I
need something to brighten my mood next time. My end
adepressant isn't doing enough, says Natan Pierre Gadends. He him
(23:49):
over on LinkedIn Lead and single cell Applications, broad clinical
labs at Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard Employment, Broad
Institute of a MIT and Harvard University of Massachusetts, Boston.
There are dozens, probably hundreds, I mean, I've got thousands
of them. I don't understand what possesses people to do
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this stupid kind of suicide activity and they're doing it
to themselves. They're not victims. Do not think they're victims.
They've aggressively screwed up their own lives with these nauseating
celebrations of bloodlust. And besides, it too late to turn
back the clock. The president was established over a decade ago.
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Do you remember when the Missouri radio clown or radio
that was Freudian, wasn't it? When the Missouri rodeo clown
got fired because he was wearing an Obama mask. It
was a comedy bit the rodeo had done with every
sitting president, every sitting president up until then. But that
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didn't matter to the so called cabal, because well, their morality,
their ethics, and their intellectual betters in the press. They
wanted the poor guys scalp and guess what they got it.
They got the rodeo clown fired for wearing an Obama mask.
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Now you may say it's unfair. I think it's unfair.
I think it's absolutely atrocious. I wholeheartedly disagree with it.
He was engaged in political speech, which they had done
with all the previous presidents, and he gets fired for
because of public pressure. Because the Rodeo, the people who
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hired him, didn't want the pressure, and then there was
this nonsense in twenty twenty two, and.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Is launching an internal investigation after a pilot reportedly signed
off a message to passengers by saying, let's go Brandon.
Now that is a phrase that has become conservative code
for swearing at President Biden. It actually means f Joe Biden,
is what it means. Pete Mantine with us here on
this what's going on? Well, what's so.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Interesting here, Brianna, is that these commercial flights have really
become this political flashpoint. We've seen these fights on board
and huge numbers by passengers. In this instance, it's a
Southwest Airlines pilot who has used the public address system
to sow political discord. It's typically used to calm down passengers.
He said this phrase, Let's go Brandon. It means f
Joe Biden. This was reported by an Associated Press reporter
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who was on this flight from Houston Albuquerque on Friday.
And now Southwest is acknowledging this incident, and it says
in a statement Southwest does not condone employees sharing their
political opinions while on the job. Southwest is conducting an
internal investigation into the recently reported event and will address
the situation directly with any employee involves, it says, while
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continuing to remind all employees that public expression of political
opinions while on duty is not acceptable. Now, this is
not the only incident like this, just ones that passengers
have heard. The United Airlines Pilot Union send a memo
to all of its pilots just last week saying did
not use the emergency frequency the pilots use typically not
for screwing around to say this let's go Brandon phrase.
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They say they send out this memo because of this,
and it says that frequency is not to be used
as a political public You know, I'm a pilot, I
fly a little airplane. I monitor those frequency all the time.
You're supposed to listen to it. I've heard FJB, I've
heard let's go brand And this is a real problem.
And it's happening in a place where pilots can only hear,
but also now in a place where the passengers can
hear too.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And you've heard that on that line from commercial pilots.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's anonymous, so you can't exactly tell. The frequency is
one twenty one point five, which is called guard and
so you're supposed to listen to it all the time.
It's for mayday calls, it's for serious stuff. Yeah, but yeah,
I've heard it.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
So you've heard it all right, Pete will say, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
We've heard it. So an airline pilot says, let's go
Brandon over the intercom, and of course the cabal went
on red alert. So now I'm supposed to care when
a school teach or a nurse or any other professional
needs to update their resume because they couldn't contain their
glee at a cold bud of political murder. Back off.
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I refuse to be scolded by any of these social paths.
Their rules. Now it's their turn. And by the way,
let's remember that while we have an ethos, we have
a culture of freedom of speech. Nonetheless, that culture of
freedom of speech, well, I certainly believe in it and
absolutely advocate it protects us from the government or anyone
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acting in the capacity or on behalf of the government,
from limiting our free speech. And of course, my free
speech on this radio program is limited by the government
because the licenger which we broadcast through Premiere Radio Networks
(28:57):
and iHeartMedia isn't fc see license a heavily regulated industry,
so I can't not that I would, because I've said
before to my local audience, I don't think I would
ever use the F bomb on the radio anyway. But
there is one word I'd love to use but which
I can't, and it's not bull crap. It's bull you
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know what. So more of my bull you know what.
Right after this, Welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown.
Glad to have you with me. We're talking about freedom
of speech and people who are celebrating the assassination of
Charlie Kirk this week and then getting fired for it.
(29:41):
And I'm trying to help you understand that the First
Amendment protects your freedom of speech from being limited by
the government or by an actor, and by actor I
mean a company or an entity, a organization, whatever it
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might be, who is acting on behalf of the government
or acting as the government. The First Amendment does not
protect your freedom of speech in the private sector. And
I'm not sure that I'm getting across because Goober number
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fifty nine to nineteen on the text line writes this, Michael,
and let me just give the let me give a
preface before I read the text message. Matthew Dowd was
an aide to President Bush. I knew him not well,
but Matthew was always one of these kind of moderate
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left of center guys that was kind of hanging around
the bushes for a long time, and I never really
agreed with him politically, but fortunately I didn't have to
interact with him much. He was a hired political commentator
what they call a contributor on cable news for MSNBC
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currently owned, not soon not to be, but currently owned
by NBC News. So as a contributor, he has a contract.
Now I've not read his contract, but I have a contract.
I have a contract with Premiere Radio Networks and iHeartMedia,
and that contract says that I can be terminated for cause.
(31:26):
And one of the causes is if I bring disrepute
or I bring for lack. I mean, I'd have to
pull a contract up and read it word for word.
But if I if I embarrass the company, or I
do something that causes the company to be you know,
vilified or embarrassed any you know, just I create problems
(31:46):
for the company, which is kind of ironic because I
kind of do all the time. Anyway, if you listen
to me, during the weekday. I'm sure that Matthew dud
had a similar contract with MSNBC. He got fired for
and really distasteful things that he said about the assassination
of Charlie Kirk. I think he said it actually on
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the day of the assassination, occurred, like within hours of
maybe even before we knew that he was dead. Really
really stupid stuff, horrible stuff, and he got fired for it.
Now that's the background. So Gouber number fifty nine to
nineteen writes and says, if the only reason Matthew Dowd
was fired was for quote distasteful speech close quote, I
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assume you believe, meaning me, believe that it was an
unjust firing. Please address what speech, if any, should be
prohibited in a civilized society. It doesn't matter what I think,
It only matters what the employer thinks. Did I find
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what Matthew Dowd said to be distasteful? Yes? Do I
support his right to say it? Yes? Do I support
his employer to terminate the contract if they found it
distasteful enough that they thought it was embarrassing and it
was against their values and so we want to terminate
our relationship. Yes, all of those things can be true.
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We have to learn to differentiate between free speech, which
we all have the right to exercise, and recognize him
there are consequences of free speech. Now, if I go
out and I just go stand a couple of miles
from that, I want to draw a distinct picture, a
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couple of miles from the studio, and I stand on
a street corner and I shout, how I am glad, glad, glad,
glad that Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Everything he stood for
was He was homophobic, he was islam phobic, he was transphobic.
He was a horrible individual. And I hope he dies
and blah blah blah. I remember, don't take that out
(33:57):
of context. I'm saying if because I would never say that,
But if I did, I Heart probably wouldn't do anything. However,
if I Heart in Premiere got wind of that, or
somebody took a video of that and posted it online
and they saw me saying that I would make a
case against myself right now on air that iHeart could
(34:22):
have justification under the contract to terminate my contract. Now,
I might fight it, but they have a right to
terminate the contract for cause. And if that is encompassed
in their definition of for cause they can do it.
I can still say it, but I suffer the consequences
(34:43):
of it. Never forget the First Amendment is designed to
keep the government from forcing you into what you can
and cannot say. In the private sector, just like I
can choose who to associate with, meaning I don't have
a right to get hired by anybody, and nobody has
(35:10):
a right or an obligation that says they have to
hire me. And if somebody does hire me and they decide,
now take away the fact that I have a contract.
So I'm governed by a contract. But if I am
not governed by a contract, I'm just a you know,
an hourly wage employee. And the company decides they want
to no longer be associated with me because the things
I say online, they have the right to do that.
(35:34):
It's not that difficult of a concept. The Founding fathers
did not want government who has the power to enforce,
who has the power at the point of a gun,
to tell you what you can think, what you can say,
or what you cannot say, or what you can believe
or what you cannot believe, or who you can worship
or not worship whatever. Under the First Amendment, the government
(35:57):
cannot do that. So Matthew dad was an unjust or
just firing. I don't know, because I'm not his lawyer.
If he were my employee and he said those things
on my airwaves, I would have fired him. Now, whether
he thinks Matthew Dowd thinks it's unjust or not, he
(36:19):
probably thinks it's unjust. In fact, he's claimed that MSNBC
capitulated to the right wing media mob. H I guess
that depends on your perspective. Say stupid stuff, suffer the consequences.
(36:39):
Falsely yell fire in a theater, cause a panic, people
get hurt, trampled or even killed. Suffer the consequences. You
can yell it, but you'll probably pay
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