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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shabab told the Jewish grooper listening to this, my guy
happy years, told my Jewish families every Jeine, America and
all over the world. May y'all have a blessed New Year.
You too, You guys have a good.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Week every Well, for sure, you might want to. I
have on my in my pos today Palestine saw my
Jewish friends. But I want to listen to what I
have to say about Palestine because you'll probably I think
you'll like it. Palestinians, well, air quote here, Palestiness aren't
gonna like it. So Brock to back to Brendan car
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for a moment, because I'm going to focus on these
rules for a little bit. The more I went back
and listened to everything that I could find about Brendan
Carr's statement, I think what has set people's hair on
fire and caused them to conflate the First Amendment with
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a FCC regulated broadcast station.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is that ever since the elimination of.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
The fairness doctrine back in nineteen eighty seven. You know
why the fairness doctor was eliminated. It was simply too complicated, convoluted,
distorted reality. It was it was unenforceable from either a
practical or even a legal point of view of enforcement.
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So they, you know, Reagan and his FCC, and they
just abandon it, which was the right thing to do.
So this has nothing to do with the fairness doctrine.
Brendan Carr now threatening to enforce the rules about are
you broadcasting in the public interest?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Is now like that? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It would be as if the speed limits on all
of the roads in Colorado had not been enforced for decades,
and so we all became accustomed to driving what we
thought was in the old days reasonable and proper, because
places like Montana and Wyoming, and I think even Texas
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for a while the New Mexican lots of places had
the speed limit was what's reasonable and proper. Because you
think about driving I twenty five. Once you say you
get south of Pueblo down tour at home pass, reasonable
and proper for me along that stretch is probably about
anywhere between ninety five one hundred miles an hour. Now,
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if it's raining, no, if it's snowing, clearly no reasonable
and proper public interest. You don't enforce the speed limit
for twenty five, thirty five, forty years, and suddenly you
do everybody's going, oh my god, you're taking away.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
My constitutional rights.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
No, we just haven't been enforcing it. Those speed signs
that you see there have always been there. We just
never paid any attention to them, and now we're paying
attention to them. So Kimmel violates what's in the public
interest by absolutely telling his audience, not in satire, not
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in parody, but as a fact that the motive of
the shooter was not known, the assassin was not known,
when in fact, the police reports and the police press
conference and everything clearly cited a motivation for it. Then
he could have offered an apology and he'd been Okay.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Lots of people have.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Done that, unless, of course, you're a Roseanne Bar. If
you're a Roseanne Bar, you can say something that's really
stupid and then apologized for it, and because you were
on the right side of the side, now we're going
to fire you. But Kimmel was in that protective group,
a left wing suppose, a comedian. I believe he could
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have offered an apology and been fine. He refused to
do that, and that choice fueled the decision by ABC.
Because ABC is particularly sensitive to offending a significant number
of Americans, because, as I said before, ABC really answers
to a company that is controlled by Mickey Mouse. Mickey
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Mouse is really in control of ABC News, so they've
got theme parks and movies and everything else to worry about.
And ABC News is not. For example, the a I
don't know who. I don't know who owns the affiliate
in Denver for the for Channel seven, I don't know
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who that owner is. Doesn't make any difference who it is.
I can tell you who it's not. It's not ABC News.
It is not a network owned station. There are very
of any of those. ABC New York may be a
corporate owned station. I don't even think they are affiliates.
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It's an affiliate, So it's a It's a television station
that is owned by another entity that contracts with ABC
News to carry the programming Now Sinclair and New Star,
Next Nextstar, New Star, Next Star. When they decided that
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they were going to preempt Jimmy Kimmel, they did so
under their legal authority and their contractual rights under the
rule of the right of refusal. We don't want to
carry your program I mean, we have a right to
refuse that programming. That makes Mickey Mouse very upset because
Mickey Mouse has a lot of people to feed. Mickey
Mouse has a lot of people to take care of.
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He's got a lot of shareholders that want money, and
Mickey Mouse makes his money off advertising revenue. And when
that advertising revenue dries up, then Mickey Mouse dies and
Mickie Mouse wants to live forever. So they they decide, oh,
if you're if you're blocking our if you're blocking our
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path to the buffet of advertising dollars, then we're gonna
knock you out of our way, and they did by
taking him off the air. There's kind of an unwritten rule,
don't piss off your affiliates. There are decisions made at
the highest level about who hosts shows based on who
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affiliates like and who they don't, and that's driven by
the audience reaction. There's an entire side. There's an entire industry.
You've heard of Nielsen, there's an entire industry behind all
of that. Who's the audience? How are they how much
do they listen? How long do they listen? You know,
are they spending money on the advertisements that you know?
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What's the return on the investment somebody spends you know
X number of dollars for a sixty second spot on
Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
What's the ROI on that?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Now, all of that's going on, and all of that
is perfectly legitimate for ABC to make that decision. Has
nothing to do with the First Amendment the government. The
government shall not abridge the freedom of speech. But there's
another factor that I haven't talked about, and that's the
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timing for what Jimmy Kimmel did.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Brendan Carr.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
At the same time that he's trying to really revamp
the FCC, he's trying to lift what's called the national
media cap that would allow stations or groups group station
owners like next Darn Sinclair to buy it more to
these stations. They have figured out, like many many companies do,
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their growth has stalled. So how do you start reinvigorating growth.
You start buying up other companies, So Next Star Sinclair
and other groups that Great TV might be another one.
iHeartMedia does this sometimes. Premiere Radio Networks that I work
for does this sometimes. Where your growth stalls, so a
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way to bring growth back an increased shareholder value is
to go through acquisitions. Well, Brendan Carr wants to lift
that cap so that stations like Nextstar, so that group
owners like Nextstar in Sinclair can buy up more TV
stations so they can grow and better compete. But who's
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Brendan Carr trying to help broadcast compete with.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Streaming services?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Interestingly, broadcasters have generally speaking been allies of Republicans. Ironically,
the biggest opponent of this effort to lift the cap
has been Chris Ruddy, a friend of Donald Trump's that
owns Newsmax and One American News. Now why are they
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objecting to this?
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Now?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Remember what's happening is broadcast has figured out by buying
up other television stations, by broadening their growth, they're trying
to figure out ways to compete with the big tech
groups that own all the streaming services. Think about how
much you watch on streaming versus on broadcast TV, and
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I can tell you that even the broadcast TV that
Timer and I do occasionally watch, we've dvr'd it so
that most of the time, not all the time, but
most of the time we can skim through the commerci
We're becoming an incredibly technically savvy population of people, and
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our time is very valuable. So Newsmax and An sees
this as a threat because their cable networks and they
don't want conservative conservative media outlets to grow and compete
with them. They just they're happy just competing with Fox News,
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So they would have let the Sinclair's and the next
Stars never be big enough to fight, never be big
enough to compete. Now, the problem is Chris Ruddy is
a very close friend to Donald Trump. This is all
an audience of one dynamic, So Carr and Ruddy are
competing for Trump's attention on a vision for the media future.
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That battle has more to do with why ABC affiliates
gladly served up Kimball's head on a platter than in
thing Kimmel said this week. Kimmel's scalp may just be
a gesture from car and Merger desperate affiliates that suggests
a network TV scenario where pro Trump voices aren't completely
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shut out, which is what's happening right now. No one
ever thinks about the landscape of broadcast television. Think about
what we've done here in broadcast radio. Think of the
different ways you can consume my content, podcasts, streaming, delay,
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I mean, any number of ways. That's because iHeart saw
a long time ago. Oh, we see what these tech
companies are doing. Let's go on on to that. I
remember when the iHeart app came out. I thought it
was brilliant. Now is a clunky and stupid sometimes, yes,
clonky and stupid, and I think we could do a
better job of it. But think about what that's done
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to transform radio. You can listen to AMFM radio anywhere
you go, as long as you've got service somewhere. TV's
just catching up to that. But there's another point, and
this is probably the funniest yet status point of all.
Nobody cares about Jimmy Kimmel. The simple fact is, if
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Kimmel was so popular or so revered and loved by
any significant portion of the ABC audience, they wouldn't have
been so happily and so quick to cut him off.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Except he really wasn't, because if we look at his
ratings in January of twenty twenty five, he had nearly
two million average viewers. Then we go to August of
twenty twenty five, just over one million average viewers. So
you lose half your audience in eight months.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I want it.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Don't give them a reason to fire you. Jimmy, you
lost half your audience.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Which is why I say that if he had been
popular or liked by a significant portion of the ABC audience,
they would not have been so quick to cutting loose.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They would have been like Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
In fact, I can hear the conversation now they've been Jimmy,
go after tomorrow and apologize. You got an audience, they
love you. You know what, you need to do this
because we're going to keep Oh, Jimmy, you really screwed
that one up. You screwed the pooch on that one
because you know, because we all know, we watch our
ratings like a hawk boom right down. So that's the
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third point. Nobody cares. This is for any successful host,
an apology level event. Just come out. I'm sorry. We
blame the wrong people for Charlie Kirk's death. I did
not mean to offend. I'm gonna take a day off
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and come back on Monday. No harm, no foul, and
I am truly and genuinely sorry. And in fact, I've
gone back and I've looked at the press conferences and
I understand that yes, some radical leftists took aim at
Charlie Kirk and as Trump said yesterday, maybe the gun
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was aimed at Charlie Kirk, but the bullet was aimed
at all of us. And that's precisely Timmy Kimmel was
just one of those bullets aimed at conservatives. You know
what you think about.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
This.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I was just thinking I never watched, or if I did,
I don't remember. That's how insignificant it was to me.
I haven't watched anybody since Letterman left there. I don't
watch Conan O'Brien, I don't watch Seth Myers. Occasionally I
might stumble onto John Stewart. I'll watch him for a
few minutes, and that's about it. Casually all stumble on
to Bill Maher uh and or or primarily I see
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Bill Maher or uh someone. Some of these others, like
John Stewart, I don't see them on my television set. No,
I see him on my laptop, or I see him
on my phone. But think about that. There's a lot
edgier and harsher and mostly equal opportunity of bashers like
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south Park until recently, where they've leaned into literally making
Donald Trump Satan's butt buddy. But the difference is south
Park generally speak generally speaking, is funny, and of course
it's enormously popular, and it's worth billions of dollars to
Paramount Jimmy Kimmel. You can't make that claim.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
A quick add to the South Park stuff here is
that the Comic Central took off the Charlie Kirk. Yes
they did, but Charlie Kirk is on record on social
media saying, hey, that was hilariously funny. I loved it.
So now Charlie Kirk's people are sitting there trying to
talk with Comedy Central and say, hey, guys, you got
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to put that.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, you got to put it back on there. You
can't wait exactly, And what a testament to Kirk. Right
Lyndon Johnson one of the most racist, bigoted presidents we've
ever had. And I forget oh this it was the
Smothers brothers. The Smothers brothers just went viciously after LBJ.
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You know what his response was. He wrote them a
handwritten letter something to the effect I've just been years
since I've seen the letter, something to the effect that, hey,
you know, you take a job like this, you expect
the slings in the arrows and everything else. But you
know what you're funny. It's a good laugh. They were
viciously attacking him. That's the way to do it. So
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all the follow on to this argument to this about
free speech is really coming from the same people who
really very gleefully stood by as Biden used that leverage
to target conservatives and contrarians via the massive force of
Silicon Valley, engaged in repeated NGO back smears and lawfare
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against people who ran a foul of their established messaging preferences. Well,
that's not at all what this is about. This is
not about First Amendment. This is about all of the
other stuff going on, and Kimmel step right in the
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middle of it.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Could have fixed it. They didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It will be very interesting to see what is revealed
about autism today. Just for reference, people have known that
autism is linked when women take tail and all while pregnant,
also linked to the MMR vaccine and to the hepatitis
B vaccine, And there's also a drug called seramon that
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is made from white pine needles that can help reverse autism.
All this was down for years but hidden.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I worry about Bobby Kennedy Jr. I mean, you know,
assassinations kind of tend to run in the family, and
I just I particularly now that he's aligned with Trump,
and now that he's aligning with trying to up in
rightfully so our entire healthcare system and the pharmaceutical industry,
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or at least bringing some transparency and some legitimate science
back into it. Good grief.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I just I wish him well.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It'd be nice to back to some real medicine. Matt Taibi,
a objective but hardcore left wing reporter, writes this speaking
of Kimmel. Of all the network late night acts, Kimmel's
was the most vicious and unredeeming, continually hitting new lows
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during the pandemic, in particular with the aforementioned anti vax
barbie and his rest in Peace wheezy monologue sure to
go down as cultural anti landmarks. Virtually everything he said
in the Trump era was DNC messaging with a punchline,
putting him on course to spend the afterlife doing laps
in media hell with Keith Oberman. With his ratings in
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free fall, Disney was going to drop the act sooner
or later, but acting so quickly after Carr's Easy Way
or the Hard Way line opens a can of worms.
Now the organic demise of legacy media definitely happening and
at light and speed two can't be cannot be an
unmuddied story. What Car describe the FCC chair, What Car
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described would would reimagine the FCC as a press regulator
in a full on truth arbiter role in the spirit
of Britain's offcom. That feels like a big jump from
where the administration was in February when JD Evans Land
Basket Europeans and Munich for losing sight of basic tenets
of democracy, including the freedom.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
To make mistakes.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So here's where an obvious compromises emergence, one that will
satisfy everyone by satisfying no one Britain. Carr keeps using
the FCC the way that he can and the way
he can servatives want for the next three years, and
then the administration eliminates the FCC, just eliminates it. They
can even offer an apology for all of that ekey
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use of the executive power they have. You just convinced,
you convinced that it just it took three years to
do so. Problem solved, FCC gone. I'm a little more
than half serious. Why if you want to downsize government
if we want more openness. I understand it's a public spectrum.
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I understand that. You know, we, the public own those airwaves.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Do we need to.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Do we.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Because if the Republic fails and we end up with
some sort of tyrannical dictator, well, they'll use those airways
to indoctrinate. It's just like they do in communists China
or Cuba, or Venezuela or Russia. I've seen those broadcasts.
You can see those broadcasts online two and you can
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see how how divorced from reality they are. Well, it
seems to me we're kind of the same spot right
now with an FCC that is supposed to regulate into
public interest, but it's failed to do so for decades,
and now that they want to, everybody's screaming about that. Okay,
I'm gonna throw my hands up and say, let's just
eliminate the FCC. The whole media landscape is changing, and
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it's changing so rapidly that neither Congress nor the administration
I don't think can keep up with it. It's free
markets really beginning to take over, as invariably happens.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
When when something.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Becomes so attractive to the public, that the public clamors
for it and screams for it and glooms onto it.
Like streaming services Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, you know.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Hulu, you The list just goes on and on.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I made a list simply because I was trying to
figure out how to maximize my dollars of all of
the streaming stuff that Tamer and I subscribe to, because
I also want to try to lower my Exfinity bill,
which is absurdly I particularly considering how little we watch
that is fed to us by Exfinity stations, not Exfinity Internet.
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I still need. I still need internet to do the streaming.
I have lots of friends.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You do too.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I've got my daughter and her husband. They have no
TV in their house other than what they can get
across the internet, none whatsoever. They don't even have over
the air antennas, and they don't even need that because
they can get the local channels streamed on. I forget
whether it's YouTube Live or something that they got, maybe
it's Sling TV, whatever they've got, they've got something where
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they don't even need that. They can just boo oh,
we want to see what the NBC affiliates carrying in Phoenix. Well,
let's just go over and watch that real quickly.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
They Oh, if there's some NBC show, they can they
can DVR it too. So just think about it. Why
why why do we need public spectrum. I'm not saying
there's not a reason for it. I'm just trying to
get you to think about it. Now, let's think about this.
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Is there or should I say put it in a
different way? Where are we in terms of well, let
me make it, let me state it affirmatively. The Democrats
believe that Jimmy Kimmel's lie about Charlie Kirk's MAGA shooter
just one out of ten Democrats one out of ten.
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Only ten percent think the assassin was on the left. Simply,
the poll numbers are amazing. More Democrats think that make
America great again that MAGA killed Charlie Kirk. Jimmy Kimmel's
lie is widely believed. The economist in Yougo Time partnered
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up to do a poll. Here's the headline. More American
seat left wing beliefs behind Charlie Kirk shooting than see
right wing beliefs. Do you think that the person who
killed Charlie Kirk was mostly motivated by question mark left
wing beliefs, something other than political beliefs, you're not sure,
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or those evil right wing beliefs. Among all US adults,
thirty seven percent believe that left wing beliefs did or
something other than political beliefs at sixteen percent, thirty percent
are just not sure, they just don't know. That number
I absolutely find completely believable. Only seventeen percent of all
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US adults believe that right wing believes. Let's break it
down by party. Among Democrats, only ten percent believe that
left wing beliefs are the cause of the assassin, twenty
percent say something other than political beliefs, A full thirty
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seven percent are just not sure, but a whopping third
thirty three percent of Democrats believe that it was Maga
that killed Charlie Kirk. Wow, is that the flatter of society?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Who's that?
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Among independents, thirty a third of them believe it was
left wing, and only sixteen of independence belief was right wing. Republicans, well,
the numbers are what you'd expect. Sixty eight percent of
Republicans believe that it was left wing, eleven percent something
other than even political beliefs, sixteen percent are unsure and
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of right wing beliefs doesn't even show up. I mean,
it's just barely. It might it might be five percent.
Among Republicans, more believe the person who killed Charlie Kirk
was mostly motivated by left wing beliefs than think the
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shooter was mostly motivated by right wing That's a whopping
thirty seven percent to seventeen percent. Sixteen percent think the
shooter was motivated by something other than political beliefs at all,
and a whopping almost a third thirty percent just aren't sure.
That's what Jimmy Kimmel is up against now, quite frank gig,
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that's what we're up against when we say or make
the claim that the left has become a danger to us. Yes,
and why do I say that, Because based on those numbers,
that's delusional, absolutely delusional to believe that, oh oh, only
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ten percent of us think we did it, but a
whopping third believe that right wing politics is what killed
Charlie Kirk. Just let that sink in if you if
you don't believe that the Marxist slash socialist slash communist
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wing of the Democrat Party hasn't infiltrated ninety percent of
the Democrat Party, then you're not paying attention.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
Michael, call me clueless, but I have no understanding of
why people would think that Charlie Kirk was killed by
the MAGA side that thinks. It makes no sense to
me whatsoever. Can you help me understand?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh, I can't. I'm astonished by it. I might be
able to help you understand.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
I was perusing the interwebs trying to figure out what
was going on, and I did find a fascinating article
by The New York Post, whose headline happens to be
Jimmy Kimmel hosted just one right leaning guests in the
past three years, and it came with a condition. After
reading the article, turns out that the one right leaning
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guest that they had was the past years three years,
three years was was Mike Lindell.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Mike Lindell my pillow.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
And the condition was because Mike Lindell was having the
problems with the voting machines and everything. So the condition
was Mike Lindell had to be inside a claw machine
for two reasons to get over his fear of machines,
as well as Mike Lindell hadn't been vaccinated yet, so
they kept him in his own little bubble, so they
made fun of him that entire time.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Well, the usual trope is all publicity is good publicity.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Right, yeah, pill So Mike is sitting there looking at it, going, Okay,
I can still get my name out there and maybe
a little bit of positive light, you know, and have
a little bit of fun, and people will buy my pillows.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
And I would say, with that audience, the answer is
not one person but a pillow. And he truly humiliated
himself in the pursuit of publicity.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Correct.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
And the article goes on and gives a very fascinating
fart chart here saying that the left leaning guests of
all late night shows, that this includes Stephen Colbert, The
Daily Show, Seth Meyers, Kimmel, Fallon, Trevor, Noah, and James
Cordon the right leaning guests versus left leaning guests. And
it's not even close right leaning guests fourteen out of
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all of those fourteen guests over what period of time,
I don't see the July twenty three to twenty five.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Wow, So a two year period all of those hosts.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
And some of these other ones were twenty two did okay?
Speaker 3 (31:07):
So you ever take you know, three years or so,
fourteen fourteen.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
Now, comparison to that number to the left leaning side
of politics, five hundred eleven.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's like the number of conservative teachers or the amount
of money that the teacher unions gives to Democrats versus Republicans.
In fact, that's even worse than that.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I think that's fourteen to five hundred eleven guests right
side to left side. It is also funny because they
do also have another, uh, the graphic here the punchlines
leaning right or left. And this is just Kimmel.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
So when you told me this, I had to ask
you to explain it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So the punchline, you mean, the punchline was a punchline
making fun of the right, correct or making fun of
the left?
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Correct?
Speaker 5 (31:59):
All right, So jokes about leftists, and this is let
me see if I got the this is just Kimmel.
So I don't know exact timeframe on this one, but
does say Jimmy Kimmel made twenty six jokes about Joe Biden,
nine about Bernie Sanders, and five about Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So thirty five forty jokes, yeah, give or take, okay,
forty joke yeah, all right, okay.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Oh jokes about the right side Donald Trump, one thousand,
one hundred and twenty eight jokes about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Elon Musk, this is the joke right here.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Elon Musk had one hundred and fifty four jokes about him,
and Pete Hegseth had seventy one jokes about him.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
So more than the thousand compared to forty.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Well, and that's just Trump compared to all of the
leftists that are listed here in this chart.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
She will Yeah, now that's just Kimmel, This is just Kimmel.
H Well, I guess we know, well, I guess we
know what. We've always known it along all along. Yeah,
we've always.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Known it serving the public interest. Give me the judge.
I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
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